Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode: EPSTEIN BRAGGED: I BLACKMAILED POWERFUL MEN, CLIENT LIST MYSTERY
Date: October 23, 2025
Host: Nancy Grace
Guests: Rob Shooter, Lynn Shaw, Barry Levine, Alina Shirazi, Spencer Kuvan, Dr. Bethany Marshall, Sydney Sumner

Overview

This episode centers on the continuing fallout from Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking operation, focusing on the long-speculated “client list” of powerful men allegedly implicated in abuses. With breaking developments including the posthumous release of survivor Virginia Giuffre's memoir Nobody’s Girl, and fresh moves in U.S. Congress to force greater transparency, Nancy Grace and a panel of journalists, advocates, and legal experts examine the web of complicit individuals, cover-ups, and whether true accountability will ever be achieved — especially as more survivors come forward and high-profile figures like Prince Andrew are pressured to testify.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Epstein's Blackmail and the “Client List”

• Nancy Grace opens by highlighting the mystery and frustration around the client list Epstein allegedly used for blackmail. Despite thousands of pages of files, the list hasn't been released.

  “Jeffrey Epstein bragged, I blackmailed powerful men and we can't come up with a client list.” — Nancy Grace [00:00]

• The episode references mounting pressure for release and speculation on its contents, including references to world leaders and prominent public figures.

2. Virginia Giuffre’s Death & Book Release

• The posthumous release of Virginia Giuffre’s memoir Nobody’s Girl reignites media attention. Her suicide amplifies questions about the dangers facing victims.
• Rob Shooter describes the impact of the book:

  “There are not many new accusations about Prince Andrew... But to have them all together in one place, told through her voice, she's no longer with us. It's almost like she's talking to us, Nancy, from the grave.” — Rob Shooter [03:11]

3. Accountability for Power: The Royals & Political Elite

• Prince Andrew faces renewed scrutiny and possible summons to testify in the U.S. about his links to Epstein and Giuffre.
• Nancy and guests dissect the notorious photo of Andrew with Giuffre, Ghislaine Maxwell present in the background, and public denials from the Duke.
• Lynn Shaw articulates the sentiment among survivors:

  “We are in Washington. We are demanding transparency. We are demanding that Prince, well, whatever his title is now, Andrew, be brought before everybody to give us a clear picture.” — Lynn Shaw [04:50]

4. Government Inaction & Legal Pressure

• Barry Levine recounts how Giuffre gave the FBI names of alleged abusers as far back as 2011, but no substantive action followed.

  “What happened after that FBI interview in Sydney, Australia? What actions were taken by the FBI to corroborate her stories and to interview these men? We don't know.” — Barry Levine [07:21]

• Discussion of Congressional investigations and how some lawmakers, like Rep. Thomas Massie, know the names of at least 19 men linked to Epstein.

  “They're trying to sweep this under the rug, but it just won't go away... Representative Thomas Massie... said that he knows the names of 19 men.” — Barry Levine [16:46]

5. Legal Risks for Victims & Lawyers

• Spencer Kuvan, who represents a dozen Epstein victims, reveals why names aren’t publicly released:

  “They're scared. They're petrified for their lives. If they release any additional information.” — Spencer Kuvan [14:55]

• Ongoing fear, intimidation, and suicide among victims and associates are recurring themes.

6. Details from Giuffre’s Memoir—Abuse, Trafficking, and Evidence

• The panel discusses specific, harrowing incidents from Giuffre’s book, such as her recruitment by Ghislaine Maxwell and alleged encounters with Prince Andrew.

• Dr. Bethany Marshall offers psychological perspective:

  “These are also very salient words... gang rape, gang brutality, torture, mob violence. You know that word, that picture where Prince Andrew has his hand around her waist? ...Ghislaine Maxwell loved the game of guessing the girls' ages before they were raped, tortured, and penetrated.” — Dr. Bethany Marshall [20:06]

• Sydney Sumner reads from the memoir about medical trauma, such as Giuffre’s ruptured ectopic pregnancy, with Epstein and Maxwell later considering her as a surrogate.

  “She was heavily sedated when Epstein took her to the hospital, and afterwards he told her she miscarried. But Virginia later learned she likely suffered a ruptured ectopic pregnancy.” — Sydney Sumner [31:28]

7. Paper Trails: Bribes, Gifts, and More Evidence

• Sydney Sumner discloses details from evidence like a 32,000-item spreadsheet of gifts Epstein provided to clients and victims:

  “Some of the gifts include a $50,000 Steinway piano, a $60,000 diamond necklace and earring set for Maxwell, a $71,000 Lexus for Epstein's lawyer's wife, and a $35,000 watch for one of Clinton's aides.” — Sydney Sumner [38:08]

• Lynn Shaw and Nancy Grace underscore the gulf between modest payoffs for victims and lavish gifts for high-profile enablers.

8. Complicity and the Culture of Silence

• Dr. Bethany Marshall describes how powerful abusers use gifts and blackmail to ensure silence.
• Nancy Grace excoriates public figures implicated in both public apology and secret collusion, focusing especially on Sarah Ferguson (Fergie), Duchess of York:

  “But now we know Fergie has gotten hundreds of thousands of dollars from Epstein. He's been bailing her out of financial woes for years and she's still living the champagne caviar lifestyle.” — Nancy Grace [43:50]
  “It's grotesque, Nancy. It's absolutely grotesque. And it's another example of rich and powerful people saying one thing publicly and another behind the scene.” — Rob Shooter [45:06]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Client List:

  “There's a client list. The names are there. There's no way. The names are not there. Your clients know names. The women that are marching on Washington know names. But yet nothing is happening.”
  — Nancy Grace [15:01]

• On High-Profile Cover-Ups:

  “This is a cover up of massive proportion. The Attorney General in the Virgin Islands... launched an investigation. She was sickened by what she found from information…from the people who worked at the airport, girls as young as 11 and 12 who were getting off planes.”
  — Barry Levine [33:08]

• On Victim Intimidation:

  “These girls are petrified even though Epstein is dead. They are so afraid because the system has let them down time and time and time again over these almost 20 years.”
  — Spencer Kuvan [13:17]

• On Complicity:

  “And all those gifts Jeffrey Epstein gave, it's not only to pay people off, but once they accept the gift, then they're complicit....The gifts are a way to get people into the fold, to get gifts back from them and to buy their silence.”
  — Dr. Bethany Marshall [47:25]

Key Timestamps

• 00:00 – 01:03: Nancy Grace opens on Epstein’s blackmail claims and the mysterious client list.
• 03:11 – 03:55: Rob Shooter analyzes the impact of Giuffre’s posthumous memoir.
• 04:50 – 06:16: Lynn Shaw describes survivor advocacy and the movement for full accountability.
• 07:21 – 09:09: Barry Levine shares inside details from FBI interviews and legal threats connected to naming abusers.
• 10:19 – 11:47: Alina Shirazi on public interest, the book’s revelations, and Congressional action involving Prince Andrew.
• 13:17 – 15:01: Spencer Kuvan discusses victim intimidation and why survivor names are withheld.
• 16:46 – 17:55: Levine on Congressional efforts and the partial client list known to lawmakers.
• 18:29 – 21:22: Dr. Bethany Marshall delves into the psychology and systemic dynamics of the coverup.
• 21:56 – 23:00: Sydney Sumner summarizes Giuffre’s experiences with Prince Andrew, including detailed abuse allegations.
• 31:28 – 32:00: Sydney Sumner recounts medical trauma and the possibility of Giuffre being used as a surrogate.
• 38:08 – 41:37: Discussion of the spreadsheet cataloging Epstein’s bribes and payments to victims and associates.
• 43:06 – 46:14: Nancy Grace and Rob Shooter critique Sarah Ferguson’s relationship with Epstein.
• 49:14: Nancy Grace encourages listeners to report tips related to the case.

Tone

Nancy Grace’s signature direct and tenacious style permeates the discussion. The language is blunt, unflinching, and at times accusatory — especially when addressing the negligence or complicity of the powerful. The guests maintain a balance of investigative fact-sharing, personal outrage, and empathy for victims. The overall tone is urgent, righteous, and focused on seeking justice amid overwhelming odds and institutional resistance.

Summary for New Listeners

This episode thoroughly explores the ongoing battle for justice in the wake of the Epstein scandal, with special attention to the new revelations from Virginia Giuffre's memoir and the elite figures shielded from exposure. Listeners are taken through survivor perspectives, legal roadblocks, and the financial and political shields that powerful abusers exploit. Powerful quotes, searing analysis, and new calls for transparency make a compelling case for the need to release the client list and confront the architecture of complicity that has allowed abusers to evade consequences — thus leaving survivors in danger and the public in the dark.

Contact to report information:
202-225-3465 (Washington, D.C. tip line mentioned by Nancy Grace) [49:14]