Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode: "EPSTEIN VICTIMS: PROSECUTE 'PRINCE' ANDREW, KING AXES TITLE, PRINCE TESTIFY IN US?"
Date: November 3, 2025

Overview

In this explosive episode, Nancy Grace and a panel of experts dissect the latest scandals involving Prince Andrew following the publication of Virginia Giuffre's book—a victim of Jeffrey Epstein's trafficking ring. The episode navigates calls for Andrew’s prosecution, examines the British public's fury, legal roadblocks, the complicity of financial institutions, and pushes for US authorities to release the Epstein files. With insights from journalists, analysts, victims’ advocates, and legal experts, the conversation sharply critiques both royal accountability and systemic failures on both sides of the Atlantic.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Prince Andrew's Downfall and Public Outcry

• Stripping of Titles & Public Reaction

  • King Charles strips Prince Andrew of all royal titles amid rising calls for prosecution.
  • Public heckling of King Charles over Andrew’s relationship with Epstein:
    • [01:49] Heckler: "Have you asked the police to cover up for Andrew?”
  • Nancy Grace connects the timing of Giuffre’s book release to Andrew’s fall from grace, highlighting its impact on keeping the narrative alive and urging real consequences.

• Ongoing Connections Post-Conviction

  • Panel highlights that Andrew continued to communicate with Epstein after his conviction.
    • Barry Levine: "He said he wanted to continue to have fun with Jeffrey Epstein. That's the word he used, was fun.” [04:37]
  • The hypocrisy of Andrew's public statements v. private actions is emphasized, especially his promise for a continued relationship with Epstein despite public denials.

2. Systemic Issues: Law Enforcement & Institutional Complicity

• Allegations of Police Misuse

  • Andrew accused of using Scotland Yard and his royal protection detail to dig up dirt on accuser Virginia Giuffre, trying to "smear her when her allegations came out." [06:03]
  • Lynn Shaw: "Met police are investigating claims that Prince Andrew tried to involve his tax funded Met Protection officer and Queen Elizabeth's Deputy Press Secretary in a smear campaign against Virginia Giuffre.” [18:54]

• Epstein’s Palm Beach "Sweetheart Deal"

  • Nancy and attorney Greg Morse discuss the infamous deal allowing Epstein to leave jail for “work release” while continuing abuse.
    • Morse: "He was allowed to be chauffeured out of jail, wherever he wanted to go... including his home, where he continued to molest children." [12:03]

3. The Victims: Lifelong Impact & Their Fight for Justice

• Focus on Victims, Not Just Royal Scandal

  • Dr. Bethany Marshall: "Forget about Andrew and start thinking about the victims... They are never the same. And he got away with it for years." [10:58]
  • Sydney Sumner and Lynn Shaw highlight the need for public persistence in seeking justice and the importance of releasing the Epstein files.
    • Sumner: "We want files, we want accountability, we want to bring people to trial..." [08:22]

• Harriet Alexander on the Mindset & Outrage

  • “British taxpayers have been supporting this lifestyle for so long… to invite Weinstein and Epstein to your daughter's 18th birthday party, I mean, it goes quite a long way, I think, to show how close they all were, how much time they all spent together…" [18:11]

4. Legal Barriers & The Prospect of Prosecution

• Prosecution Hurdles

  • Virginia Giuffre’s death by suicide significantly limits the possibility of direct prosecution for rape allegations, as she cannot be cross-examined. [19:33], [25:05]

• Potential for Prosecution on Other Grounds

  • The use of taxpayer-funded police officers in personal vendettas could be pursued:
    • Harriet Alexander: "...they might have more luck trying to investigate... Andrew, using his taxpayer funded security detail to dig up information on her to try and discredit her. I think that's something that could be more profitable...” [25:05]

• Impact on Diplomatic Protection

  • Morse notes stripping Andrew’s titles means he may lose diplomatic immunity, increasing the possibility of extradition or prosecution. [13:23]

• Role of Private Prosecution in the UK

  • Explanation of how private prosecutions (versus US civil lawsuits) could be considered for Andrew, though limited by Giuffre’s death. [25:05]

5. Financial Institutions' Complicity

• Banks Accused of Enabling Epstein
  • Barry Levine details lawsuits against Bank of America and Bank of New York Mellon for "illicitly enabling Epstein’s trafficking," turning a blind eye to $1 billion in suspicious transactions.
    • Levine: "Bank of America turning a blind eye to Epstein's use of a victim's account to pay her and other victims off. And Mellon failing to flag nearly $378 million in victim payments as suspicious." [35:08]
  • J.P. Morgan’s $290 million settlement and agreement to implement anti-sex trafficking measures is underscored as a major sign of institutional failure.
    • Nancy: “A bank... A respectable bank in the middle of a child sex trafficking scheme. That should speak volumes to everybody.” [43:51]

6. Ongoing Call for Action

• Pressure on US Authorities

  • Despite some UK movement, US authorities face increasing pressure to release Epstein's client list and pursue those complicit in his crimes.
    • Harriet Alexander: "People even in the UK are beginning to ask why more is not being done in the US..." [32:59]

• Victims Continue to Demand Justice

  • Sydney Sumner: "Victims hosted a press conference on Capitol Hill just a few weeks ago, and the stories were horrendous. Woman after woman stepped up to that microphone and shared what they experienced...” [40:25]

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

"I don't want a king or a prince or a princess. None of that. That's for Disney. Okay? But when you have a book published by a sex trafficking victim...and coincidentally that very week, Prince Andrew is stripped of his titles, don't tell me that her book...had nothing to do with Andrew's downfall."
— Nancy Grace [02:00]

"He said he wanted to continue to have fun with Jeffrey Epstein. That's the word he used, was fun. ...Now we're learning and we're seeing emails where Prince Andrew was continuing to communicate with Jeffrey Epstein..."
— Barry Levine [04:37]

"The Met police are investigating claims that Prince Andrew tried to involve his tax funded Met Protection officer and Queen Elizabeth's Deputy Press Secretary in a smear campaign against Virginia Giuffre."
— Lynn Shaw [18:54]

"You'd think that someone having their 18th birthday party at Windsor Castle could come up with more appropriate guests than Harvey Weinstein and Jeffrey Epstein."
— Harriet Alexander [18:11]

"What the banks did wrong, Nancy, was that they looked the other way. Going back to 2002, over $1 billion of monies that Jeffrey Epstein withdrew to pay off enablers around the world and also to pay off victims... sex trafficking was able to continue for two decades."
— Barry Levine [35:41]

"So many things... at some point, regular people like me, like Crispin, we're not going to stand by and let this continue. They're standing for it over in Great Britain. But not here. No. And I don't understand why we can't get the release of those files and why nothing is happening."
— Nancy Grace [28:54]

"Virginia describes Maxwell's cruelty during threesomes with Epstein… slapping and hurting Virginia to assert her dominance... Maxwell also loves to brag about previous romps, once Positively Giddy to share she performed a sex act on George Clooney in the bathroom at a party."
— Lynn Shaw [46:01]

"That's actually is sadism. That's taking pain and causing pleasure. I mean, I'm sorry, taking pleasure and causing pain to another human being."
— Dr. Bethany Marshall [46:41]

Timestamps for Key Segments

• [00:35–02:00] — Opening, Prince Andrew’s public humiliation, connection to Epstein
• [04:37–06:03] — Andrew’s emails, duplicity, and ongoing connection to Epstein
• [06:38–09:41] — Discussion on law enforcement misuse, Giuffre’s advocacy, call for file releases
• [10:58–12:03] — Expert testimony on lifelong trauma for victims and on protecting predators
• [12:03–14:39] — Epstein’s Palm Beach sentence breakdown and effect on Andrew
• [16:33–18:51] — Party scandals; entanglement of royals, Epstein, and Weinstein
• [18:54–20:23] — Smear campaigns against Virginia Giuffre using police resources
• [25:05–25:56] — Discussion of private prosecution, UK/US legal system contrast
• [28:13–30:16] — Palm Beach, attempts to erase Epstein’s legacy, and call for local accountability
• [32:59–35:41] — Institutional corruption, international legal hurdles, financial institutions’ roles
• [35:41–37:39] — Breaking down the significance of the financial evidence trail
• [43:28–45:44] — Discussion of JP Morgan’s settlement, where the money went, and investigative hope
• [46:01–47:41] — Ghislaine Maxwell’s role and cruelty, psychological motives
• [40:25–42:22] — Surviving victims speak out, urgency for public pressure

Tone and Language

The discussion is candid, urgent, and angry. Nancy Grace’s style is unapologetically forthright and prosecutorial, often calling out hypocrisy and conveying empathy for the victims. Guests’ commentary is similarly direct—with legal and psychological complexity addressed plainly but passionately.

Conclusion

The episode ends with renewed calls for justice, both for Prince Andrew and for all of Epstein’s powerful enablers. Accountability is demanded not just from individuals, but from institutions and systemic structures that aided their crimes. The message is clear: simply stripping titles is not enough—victims and the truth demand criminal prosecution, transparency, and real change.