Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode: Epstein’s Creepy ‘Dentist Chair’ Revealed on ‘Lolita Island,’ Bombshell: Emails Emerge
Air Date: December 10, 2025
Host: Nancy Grace (with guests Victoria Churchill, Rob Shooter, Barry Levine, Lynn Shaw, Dr. Bethany Marshall, Andrea Lewis)
Podcast Theme: Shocking revelations and new developments in the Epstein case, the exposure and impact of recently passed legislation, and the ongoing struggle for justice for Epstein’s victims.

Episode Overview

In this intense episode, Nancy Grace and her panel dissect bombshell new details in the Jeffrey Epstein saga. The show zeroes in on recently surfaced photos of a dentist chair on Epstein’s infamous ‘Lolita Island’, fresh allegations from newly released emails, and the legislative drama around the “Epstein Files Transparency Act.” They examine continued delays in releasing critical documents, the possible accountability (or lack thereof) of high-profile figures, and the emotional toll on survivors. The roundtable’s mood is equal parts fury, disbelief, and grim determination.

Key Topics & Insights

1. The Dentist Chair and Lolita Island’s Chilling Interior (01:43–04:59; 09:33–11:36; 15:47–18:09)

• Revelation: Newly revealed footage and photos show a “creepy” dentist chair installed in a private room on Epstein’s island, surrounded by masks and unusual décor.
  • Barry Levine: “The room itself is creepy. You have all of these masks of men on the walls... Epstein set up that room for his dentist girlfriend from Belarus… she would perform dental procedures in that room. What else went on, we don’t know.” (10:26)
• Analysis: Dr. Bethany Marshall likens the rooms' décor to underage sex clubs, emphasizing how furnishings and environment were designed to entice young girls and predators alike.
  • Dr. Bethany Marshall: “How do you decorate an underage sex club? With furniture and décor a 12-year-old would like... This is the new age version of candy and a puppy.” (16:21–18:09)
• Emotional Impact: Nancy Grace repeatedly returns to the horror of girls as young as 12 being subjected to Epstein’s abuses in these spaces.

Notable Quote

• Nancy Grace: “Epstein’s creepy dentist chair on his Lolita island revealed. And if that doesn’t send a chill down your spine…” (01:43)

2. The Epstein Files Transparency Act—Promise vs. Reality (02:59–06:58; 14:11–21:36)

• Legislation: The Act compelled the release of Epstein’s files. Victims and advocates hoped for a tidal wave of accountability.
  • Victoria Churchill (DailyMail): “Congress passed, and then Senate did through unanimous consent… Trump signed it behind closed doors. Victims didn’t get their visit to the Oval Office.” (04:59)
• Redaction & Secrecy: There’s enormous frustration that, despite nearly $1M spent and a massive DOJ workforce, most meaningful info is heavily redacted—especially names of implicated individuals.
  • Barry Levine: “We’re paying to redact the files. So even though we’re getting the files, we can’t read them.” (21:13)
• Delay Tactics: Ongoing and “preemptive” new investigations are cited as reasons to withhold more files.

Notable Quote

• Andrea Lewis: “We keep hearing the word transparency, but is this really a transparent effort? If you are redacting all the critical relevant information… how does that help us?” (24:34)

3. Lack of Accountability & “Big Names” Still Untouched (12:05–13:19; 27:10–32:27; 42:24–47:02)

• No Prosecutions: No powerful men ('Johns') involved in Epstein’s abuse ring have faced justice.
  • Barry Levine: “None of them have been brought to justice… Representative Massie has told us there’s 20 men he’s aware of who engaged in Epstein’s trafficking.” (12:52)
• Political Complications: New investigations allegedly target only political rivals or serve as further stalling tactics.
  • Nancy Grace: “Political rivals are being investigated. 5,000 man hours of redaction. $1M for minions to hide the truth. How long can they do it?” (32:38)
• Prince Andrew (Andrew Windsor): Focus on his continued evasion, privilege, and calls for him to testify in Congress—plus the impact on his family.
  • Rob Shooter: “Andrew’s not going to do this… we have to hand him over. Until we stand up and do that, he’s going to continue to hide.” (43:44)

Notable Quotes

• Rob Shooter: “If this were anybody else, it’d be public, dissected, and turned into a docu-series by now. But when it’s billionaires and presidents, suddenly it’s all sealed and sacred.” (32:00)
• Lynn Shaw: “Delay is the way… We will exhaust the public. We’ll use everything in our power to not address this… but I’m here to say the group of survivor women that are so strong have come forward…” (33:30)

4. Manipulations & The Cost of Secrecy (25:48–27:37; 41:12–42:11)

• Improper Redactions: Unlike a trial, where multiple sides oversee redactions, DOJ is doing this in secret, possibly to protect high-profile figures.
  • Barry Levine: “They’re redacting victims’ names. They’re also redacting what they deem national security related to Epstein… They’re also redacting information that could be used in other investigations...” (26:46)
• Transparency’s Price: The secrecy causes public distrust, feeds conspiracy theories, and leaves survivors in limbo.
  • Andrea Lewis: “Secrecy causes a distrust within the public. It allows people… to have time to cover their tracks.” (41:12)

Notable Quote

• Nancy Grace: “What's happening is delay, delay, delay… Nothing has happened, Lynn. Nothing.” (13:37)

5. Public Outrage & Conspiracy (and Reality Check) (36:02–37:52)

• Conspiracy Theories: The gap-filling secrecy feeds theories—from “Epstein is alive” to accusations of systemic cover-up by the elite.
  • Nancy Grace: “You could not pay me enough money to believe that man is dead… okay, so let’s just start from there.” (35:23)
  • Guest via TikTok: “New polls are showing nearly 70% of Americans believe that the Epstein case is being covered up right now. It’s no longer a conspiracy theory…” (37:10)
• Surveillance Footage: Missing minutes from prison recordings and delayed releases raise real suspicions.
  • Dr. Bethany Marshall: “They had to eat their words and re-release that video with the missing minute two months later...” (36:30)

Notable Quotes

• Nancy Grace: “The cover-up is so massive because if I was being accused of anything like this, I would want everything to come out to exonerate me… and he’s not doing that.” (32:27)

Major Segments & Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |------------------------------------------------------------------|----------------| | “Dentist Chair” Discovery, Island Décor, Predatory Psychology | 01:43–04:59, 09:33–11:36, 15:47–18:09 | | Epstein Files Act: Hope, Delay & Redaction Crisis | 02:59–06:58, 14:11–21:36 | | Who’s Getting Away with It: Elites vs. Accountability | 12:05–13:19, 27:10–32:27, 42:24–47:02 | | Justice System, Victims, and DoJ Redactions | 24:34–27:37, 41:12–42:11 | | Prince Andrew (Windsor) & Royal Fallout | 08:25–09:33, 42:42–47:02 | | Conspiracy/Factual Skepticism and Public Sentiment | 35:23–37:52 |

Most Notable & Memorable Quotes

• Nancy Grace (about the chilling new revelations):
  “Epstein’s creepy dentist chair on his Lolita Island revealed. And if that doesn’t send a chill down your spine….” (01:43)
• Barry Levine:
  “When they arrived, he had them dressed up in university and college sweatshirts to pretend these girls were in fact older looking... people at the airport knew they were young kids.” (12:05)
• Dr. Bethany Marshall:
  “How do you decorate an underage sex club? With furniture and décor a 12-year-old would like… This is what I know.” (16:21)
• Lynn Shaw:
  “We’ve been fighting for years… All this power and wealth… But nothing is being done… I really think we’re just not going to ever get to the bottom of this.” (14:11)
• Rob Shooter:
  “If this were anybody else, it’d be public, dissected, and turned into a docu-series by now. But when it’s billionaires and presidents, suddenly it’s all sealed and sacred…” (32:00)
• Andrea Lewis:
  “Secrecy… allows the enablers and predators to have time to cover their tracks. Meanwhile, all anybody in these powerful positions have to do is say, ‘Enough is enough.’” (41:12)

Conclusion: Who’s Left to Be Held Accountable?

• Victims Still Waiting: The panel’s consensus is that survivors’ trauma is being compounded by secrecy and inaction.
• Will There Be Justice?: No real movement toward meaningful prosecution is seen for the high-status men involved. Instead, there’s continual political, bureaucratic, and legal obstacle-building.
  • Barry Levine: “We need to get to the men who are involved in this.” (27:10)
• Call to Action: Listeners are encouraged to report what they know and continue to demand transparency and justice for the victims.

For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode is a blistering, unfiltered look at the Epstein case’s latest developments. Nancy Grace and her expert guests bring hard evidence, emotional urgency, and furious skepticism to bear, challenging the government, the justice system, and the powerful figures still protected by layers of secrecy and redaction. Survivors’ suffering and public outrage are at the heart of this episode—a portrait of justice delayed and the ongoing struggle to drag the truth into the light.