GLAM MORNING TV ANCHOR STABS MOM, 80, DEAD IN BEDROOM BLOODBATH

Summary

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Episode Overview

Title: GLAM MORNING TV ANCHOR STABS MOM, 80, DEAD IN BEDROOM BLOODBATH
Air Date: November 4, 2025
Podcast: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace
Host: Nancy Grace

Main Theme:
Nancy Grace explores the shocking case of Angelyn (Angie) Mock, a well-known morning TV anchor, accused of fatally stabbing her 81-year-old, bedridden mother, Anita Avers, in their shared Wichita home. The episode dissects the crime scene, the legal and psychological ramifications, and the broader questions of familial violence—delving into the evidence, initial statements, and theories about both motive and aftermath.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Case Introduction and Incident Overview

• Angelyn Mock: Glamorous morning show anchor, respected journalist, now the focus of a murder investigation.
  • “[Angelyn] ran from the home covered in blood.” (Nancy Grace, 00:41)
• The Incident:
  • Crime occurred around 7:00 AM.
  • Angie Mock was seen by neighbors, covered in blood, asking to call 911 before returning inside (01:14).
  • Police arrived to find her outside with cuts on her hands and her mother dead with multiple stab wounds (08:13, 14:03).

2. Initial Reactions & Forensic Concerns

• Crime Scene Handling:
  • Importance of preserving blood evidence, including footprints and blood spatter analysis, even on ceilings (04:22 – 07:06).
    • “Every blood marking matters… It could be spray back… the cast off, if measured correctly, can determine maybe even the height of the defendant.” (Nancy Grace, 04:22)
    • Ceilings processed and, if needed, cut out for evidence (Dan Murphy, 06:27).
• Challenges of Medical Response:
  • Need to balance saving the victim with preserving crucial evidence. Initial responders may disturb the scene (07:06).
• Unusual Timing:
  • Statistically rare for this kind of bloodbath to happen early morning (07:06).

3. Victim and Suspect Injury Discrepancy

• Injury Details:

  • Anita Avers: Multiple stab wounds (torso, possibly face); pronounced dead after being transported (14:55 – 15:11, 22:27).
  • Angie Mock: Only minor cuts on her hands, treated and released the same day (22:50).
    • “Are you telling me… the mother was stabbed multiple times… and the glamorous TV anchor had some cuts on her hands, is that right?” (Nancy Grace & Melissa McCarty, 23:12)

• Suspicious Survival:

  • Angie Mock had “plenty of energy,” appeared “alert,” and went outside to get help, not using her own or the home’s phone (23:47 – 26:37).
    • “She’s able to get up and go and ask for help, yet her mother is there in the bed, having been massacred.” (Dave Mack, 23:47)
    • “It makes no sense. You wouldn’t leave your mother in bed.” (Dave Mack, 26:37)

4. Crime Scene Analysis & Self-Defense Claim

• No Forced Entry:

  • No evidence anyone else was in the house; Angie and her mother only people present (33:03).

• Self-Defense Claim:

  • Angie Mock told police she stabbed her mother in self-defense, saying, "she did it in self defense...a kill or be killed situation" (Nancy Grace & Dave Mack, 33:38 – 34:19).

• Skepticism & Legal Challenges:

  • Panelists and Nancy Grace openly question credibility: “Is anybody going to believe that Angeline Mock was defending herself against her bedridden mother in a kill or be killed situation?” (Nancy Grace, 34:23)
  • Possible defense strategies discussed but questioned, including alleging long-term abuse or mental health issues (Jim Elliott & Nancy Grace, 35:01 – 36:33).

5. Forensic and Psychological Evidence

• Defensive vs. Offensive Wounds:
  • Dr. Priya Banerjee: Wounds location (back of hands vs. palms) and knife design indicate whether wounds are defensive or from the attacker’s hand slipping (29:08).
• Blood Evidence & Timing:
  • Importance of determining if blood was liquid, semi-coagulated, or dried to estimate time of attack (09:41 – 10:20).
• Rage & Overkill:
  • Repeated stabbing, especially to the face, suggests extraordinary rage—a point compared to the Bryan Kohberger case (16:41 – 17:21).
    • “That's rage, Nancy. And that's very symbolic because he's trying to wipe out her face.” (Karen Stark, 16:41)
• Victim Profile:
  • Killing of a defenseless, elderly, bedridden woman described as especially heinous and cowardly (17:21 – 18:16).

6. Legal Perspectives and Societal Questions

• Victim Value in Court:
  • Civil damages often put a lower worth on elderly or infant victims, an issue Nancy Grace finds morally troubling (11:41 – 13:27).
• Familial Crime Rarity & Blame:
  • Psychologist Karen Stark rejects the idea of blaming one’s elderly parent in adulthood, calling the "blame the mother" line “nonsensical” at this stage in life (38:36 – 39:36).

7. Media and Public Perception

• Twist of Irony:
  • Angie Mock’s journalistic focus on covering crime now mirrored in her own life (22:00).
• Image Contrast:
  • Discussion of Mock's former TV persona vs. the accused murderer—commentary on not being "fooled by a killer's appearance" (46:01, Nancy Grace).

8. Police and Legal Case Status

• Angie Mock charged with first-degree murder, held on $1 million bail (45:10).
• Investigation ongoing; plea for information from the public (45:22).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On TV Anchor’s Fall from Grace
  "Ironically, she now finds herself at the center of a murder case." (Narrator, 22:00)

• On the Nature of the Attack
  “That's rage, Nancy. And that's very symbolic because he's trying to wipe out her face... She was beautiful. And that really disturbed him. Like, let me get rid of who she is and all her beauty because she doesn't want me.” (Karen Stark, 16:41)

• On Blood Evidence
  "Every blood marking matters… The cast off, if measured correctly, can determine maybe even the height of the defendant." (Nancy Grace, 04:22)

• On Self-Defense Claim
  "Angelyn Mock, the morning TV news anchor, actually says she stabbed her mother in self defense. What, it was a kill or be killed situation?" (Nancy Grace, 33:58)

• On the Plausibility of the Claim
  “Is anybody going to believe that Angeline Mock was defending herself against her bedridden mother in a kill or be killed situation?” (Nancy Grace, 34:23)

• On Victim Value
  "So what if they're old, Jim Elliott, they're just not worth as much. Go ahead, put it out there." (Nancy Grace, 11:57)

• On Mistaking Appearances
  “Don’t be fooled by a killer's appearance. Even if she’s a glamorous morning TV anchor.” (Nancy Grace, 46:01)

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Case Introduction & Witness Encounter:

  • 00:41 Angie Mock’s media persona
  • 01:14 Neighbor encounters blood-covered Mock, calls 911

• Crime Scene Forensics:

  • 03:52–07:06 Preserving evidence; importance of blood spatter and scene integrity

• Victim & Suspect Injury Discrepancy:

  • 14:55–15:11 Multiple stab wounds to victim
  • 22:27–22:50 Details on both women’s injuries

• Self-Defense Claim Emerges:

  • 33:38–33:58 Mock’s self-defense statement discussed

• Legal & Psychological Analysis:

  • 34:23–36:15 Panel skepticism about self-defense claim
  • 38:36–39:36 Karen Stark on mother-blaming as adult justification

• Case Status & Law Enforcement Update:

  • 45:10 Charges and bail
  • 45:22 Contact for tips

• Closing Reflections:

  • 46:01 Nancy Grace: "Don't be fooled by a killer’s appearance."

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Tone & Style

• Nancy Grace’s Approach: Direct, incredulous, and emotionally invested, frequently challenging both her expert guests and standard courtroom thinking. She prioritizes the victim’s value and questions the credibility of defenses blaming elderly victims.
• Expert Commentary: Mix of forensic, legal, and psychological expertise, often critically examined by Grace.

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Summary Takeaways

• The juxtaposition of Angelyn Mock’s public persona and the grim accusation forms the episode’s core intrigue.
• Key evidence includes significant discrepancies in injuries, lack of forced entry, and the plausibility (or lack thereof) of Mock’s self-defense claim.
• The episode offers a layered discussion about crime scene forensics, legal strategies, psychological motives, and the societal tendency to undervalue elderly victims in the justice system.
• Nancy Grace strongly cautions listeners not to judge by appearance, but to focus on evidence and the victim’s humanity.

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For those who missed the episode:
This gripping episode guides listeners through the chilling facts, critical evidence, and emotional reactions surrounding a case that asks not just whodunit, but whether justice for the most vulnerable can be achieved against even the most unlikely suspects.

Transcript

[Nancy Grace]

This is an I Heart podcast, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a glamorous morning TV anchor runs from a bedroom bloodbath, deadly stabbing. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Angelyn Mock, a familiar face in the Kansas City news scene, gained popularity as the morning show anchor for Fox 2. Her career was marked by her engaging presence and dedication to delivering the news, not knowing she would find herself back in the limelight for all the wrong reasons.

[Nancy Grace]

That deadly, that fatal bloodbath in the home bedroom leaves her mother 80 years old and apparently bedridden, stabbed, dead. What do we know? And what did a glam morning TV anchor have to do with it? Why was she running out of the house drenched in blood? Listen, there was a woman who came and approached our vehicle with blood. Like her hands were filled, her body was filled with blood, asking to call 911.

[Police/911 Dispatcher]

7:40Am Alyssa Castro and her boyfriend are in their car in Wichita when a neighbor waves them down. As the woman approaches, they see what appears to be blood, a lot of blood on the woman's hands. The woman asks to borrow a phone to call 91 1, then takes off with the phone back into a house.

[Nancy Grace]

Asked her if she was okay and she pretty shaken up and she seemed scared and she just ran off. That from our friends @ k a k e. Straight out to Melissa McCarty joining us, investigative reporter, host of the Killer Genes podcast and author of a brand new book, the Making of a Crime Reporter. Melissa, thank you for being with us. Now, who is the woman sitting in a car that observes Angelyn, the morning TV anchor, running out of the home covered in blood? Who is she?

[Melissa McCarty]

She was a neighbor in the car with her boyfriend and she watched everything unfold and she said she was traumatized by it. Imagine her just sitting there pulling into the neighborhood and she sees this woman frantically running towards them, begging for help. So obviously they stop and she's asking for a cell phone. The boyfriend hands over her cell phone and she takes it, runs inside the.

[Nancy Grace]

House and doesn the informant, the neighbor, refers to Angeline Mock as this woman, specifically this woman. A lot of people are going to.

[Fox 2 News Anchor/Reporter]

Get face to face with a turkey this Thursday because it is Thanksgiving and because so many people are going to be basting their turkey. We do like to talk about grease and where it should go. A lot of people don't know that all that grease, everybody on the block is cooking a turkey and that grease can be very problematic.

[Nancy Grace]

That is from our friends at Fox 2 News. And that is Angelyn Mock who ran from the home covered in blood. Curious to Dan Murphy. Joining us, former NYPD detective sergeant on the Joint Terrorism Task Force and former chief security officer, co host of a hit podcast, Gold Shields. Dan Murphy, you know this woman, the TV anchor is drenched in blood. When police finally get to the scene, they find something even worse. Her 80 year old mother, apparently bedridden, is stabbed dead in her own bed. That's the mom on the left. The mom is Anita Avers. I think she actually turned 81 just before her stabbing death. So where do you even start with a scene like that, Dan?

[Dan Murphy]

So immediately upon response, you're going to want to give any medical aid you can at this point. If the person is not clearly deceased and even if they are, medical personnel have to come and attend to them, which is going to disturb the scene a bit. But it has to be done. Then you're going to want to preserve all the evidence you can. And I've been in bloodbaths and you have to walk gingerly around them and wear those little booties. But it needs to be done because later on the evidence is all going to speak through experts to a jury. So right now you're preserving evidence.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, a piece of evidence that is commonly fumbled through nobody's fault and that's footprints. When you have a bloodbath like the one that happened at the home of this Fox News anchor, every blood marking matters. It could be spray back, for instance. This is a stabbing death. The mother, an 81 year old woman, is stabbed multiple times. Think Ted Bundy, right? And the clubbing, right? That's called throwback, where the victim is hit forcefully and then the perpetrator swings back to strike again. That blood is cast off, right? The cast off, if measured correctly, can determine maybe even the height of the defendant, maybe the position in which they were when the attack occurred. You can tell how many times. If you can't tell from the body, you can tell from the cast off how many times the person was stabbed. Because every time there's a swing back it hits in a slightly different spot on the wal wall or the ceiling. And speaking of ceilings, significant, explain why ceilings are important in a case like this, that they be processed just like.

[Dan Murphy]

All the other blood evidence because blood evidence is airborne. Once it becomes part of cast off and it will leave an impression upon the ceiling. In most buildings, especially a residential building like this, that evidence is going to be important because the blood spatter pattern analysis will be done by CR scene personnel who understand serology and who understand the science of blood and how it moves and how it forms and what formations look like when it's cast off of a knife. So that preservation of evidence is vital. And you would want to take pieces of that ceiling with you as evidence.

[Nancy Grace]

What do you mean take pieces of the ceiling with you as evidence?

[Dan Murphy]

I've seen ceiling pieces cut out by crime scene units, pieces of flooring cut out depending upon the nature of the crime. Now this we have, it became a homicide. You take that evidence seriously and take pictures of it. But also you may want to take the actual physical piece itself. If it's a simple piece of wallboard that you can cut out, you may want to take it. It's something that may be challenged by defense. You may want to have it as evidentiary piece of evidence with you in case it's challenged. But those, those pieces of evidence are going to tell a story. And in thorough investigations, I've seen pieces of buildings brought out and taken.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, we got started on this discussion talking about floor evidence and how often evidence is lost or ruined really through no one's fault when they come onto the scene. You know, everybody's shoes have to be taken and there has to be a print made of them to compare to bloody shoe prints, if there are any on the floor. The only people that should go into that room are the ones who are burdened with trying to save a life. That's it. And then if they can't save the 81 year old mom's life, they have to very gingerly back out and get the hay out of there so the work can begin. But when you're trying to save somebody's life, that's your paramount concern. You're not worried about bloody footprints? Okay, let's go back to what happened. This is it. And this is a whole nother can of worms. Dan Murphy this happened around 6 7am 7am which statistically is very rare for a bloodbath, a deadly bloodbath to go down before breakfast. Okay, listen.

[Narrator/Reporter]

911 is called and relays a message to first responders. A woman says there has been a stabbing in her home.

[Police/911 Dispatcher]

This morning at 0751 hours, officers responded to a stabbing call in the 1500 block of East Crowley. When officers arrived on scene, they were met in the street with a 48 year old white female who had suffered from some cuts to her hand.

[Nancy Grace]

Joining me is veteran trial lawyer Jim Elliott, attorney with Butler Snow, legal counsel for multiple municipalities and governmental [e-mail] Jim, thank you for being with us. Jim Elliot, you've tried a lot of cases in court. Blood evidence is very tricky, especially if you don't know what you're doing. But one thing I would be looking at is the degree to which the blood had coagulated at the time when EMTs and first responders get there. And it's really difficult. Jim, you've been on a lot of scenes. They're trying to save the 81 year old mom's life. They're not thinking, has the blood coagulated, they're trying to resuscitate her and get her airlifted to the hospital where I would come in as the prosecutor. It's critical that we know whether the blood had dried, not just coagulated. Coagulated means it's kind of like jello. It's not thin, liquefied like water anymore. It's more of a Jello consistency that's coagulated. And the harder it gets, the closer it gets to being dried. In your experience, Jim Elliott, why is it so important that we know whether the blood was still liquid as in water, semicoagulated, as in jello, or flat out dried?

[Jim Elliott]

Well, certainly that goes to what time the crime actually occurred or the stabbing occurred. And probably in that case you're only going to have the eyewitness testimony of the first responders who can indicate what they saw. Perhaps without a great deal of expertise in that regard.

[Nancy Grace]

Oh yeah, they'll be torn to shreds on cross exam. Gotta have more than that. We have to have the cops in there immediately processing the scene. But the reality is, Jim Elliott, it takes a beat for the entire CSI to arrive and you could lose that critical evidence. Why is it critical? I need to know when this 81 year old mother was stabbed multiple times in her bed. You know another thing, Elliot, I noticed this when prosecuting in inner city Atlanta, when the victim is very young, like an infant or very old, for some reason those cases are very often pled down to like manslaughter of some degree. You got voluntary, you got involuntary just. I don't know why, but have you noticed that phenomena used to burn me up? Like somehow because the victim is really young and hadn't lived yet as an infant or really old, they don't matter anymore. Did you notice that? I'd love to see a statistic on that.

[Jim Elliott]

Well, that certainly can be the case. And I guess that's kind of driven by the value of the life at the time of the passing. You know, you indicated that's not given all The Elliot coverage of the event and her pictures blowing off.

[Nancy Grace]

Commercial break the value of the life. You know what, you sound a lot like a civil lawyer right now where you try to get a money verdict from a jury and you ask the jury to put a dollar value on somebody's life. So what if they're old, Jim Elliott, they're just not worth as much. Go ahead, put it out there.

[Jim Elliott]

It's the usual, it's the usual measure of damages, Nancy, whether it's morally right or fits everyone's code of ethics or not. That's the way our system works with regard to that measurement. That's what I'm talking about.

[Nancy Grace]

Well, maybe for you, Jim Elliot, and you've won a lot of cases with civil juries and now I see why. Because you actually said that like it's true. Just because it is done, Elliot, does not mean it should be done. That doesn't mean it's okay. Just because it happens a dollar value on a life that, that, that premise right there is concerning to me. But that said, Jim Elliot, I want you to tell me the truth. Isn't it true that when the victim is an infant and you don't have a whole lot of cute Christmas pictures and you know, baptizing pictures and family pictures at Disney, all that and a really old victim. I am telling you, it's anecdotal, not a statistic that those plea deals are cheaper than they are for just to say a young vibrant man or woman. Have you noticed that? Be honest.

[Jim Elliott]

Yeah, I think it can be. I think with regard to the younger people, you can't really paint a picture of their life for the jury. That's what prosecutors would probably worry about with regard to an older person. Again, there's this, there's going to be this attitude that they live their life and you know, sadly. Is it, is it?

[Nancy Grace]

That may be the attitude, Elliot, but don't bring it to crime stories. Save it for your civil juries. Okay, I'm going to let Elliot sit there and think about what he just said and move this case forward. Listen.

[Police/911 Dispatcher]

Arriving at the home at 7:52am Wichita Police find a woman outside the home with cuts on her hands and blood on her clothing. Inside they find 81 year old Anita Avers unresponsive inner bed with multiple stab wounds.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Both women are taken to the hospital.

[Police/911 Dispatcher]

Officers went inside the Residence found an 81 year old elderly female suffering from multiple stabs stab wounds. Both were transported to local hospitals.

[Nancy Grace]

Back out to Melissa McCarty joining us, investigative reporter host of the Killer Janes podcast, which is awesome. Melissa McCarty and author of the Making of a Crime Reporter. Melissa, what can you tell me about the victim's stabs? What have you learned?

[Melissa McCarty]

Anita Evers had multiple stab wounds to her as far as was an upper body, her face, the specific areas. Police haven't released that just yet, but she was attacked reportedly in her bed with multiple stab wounds.

[Nancy Grace]

I want to talk about what Melissa McCarty just said. Karen Stark joining me, forensic psychologist, renowned TV radio trauma expert, consultant at Karen Stark. If you're looking for her, it's Karen with a C. Karen, I want to talk to you about something that shocked me to the core. And you know, Karen, you and I bonded together in very, very long hours in the dark at Court TV studios, where you and I would sit there, I believe they were three or four hour shifts we had watching trials live and commenting on them whenever there would be a break. Even after all that, after all the cases I've tried, after all the cases you have worked on, I was so shocked with the Bryan Kohberger attacks in that. Well, many things. But the stabbing to the face of Kelly Goncalves and Maddie, I believe Kelly Gonzalez was. She was stabbed multiple times, but in her face alone. There were over 20 stab wounds. Now, I'm just a trial lawyer. You're the shrink. But when a victim is stabbed repeatedly in the face, there has got to be a psychological motivation there. I don't know what it is, but I bet you do.

[Karen Stark]

That's rage, Nancy. And that's very symbolic because he's trying to wipe out her face. He's angry even though he had no contact with her. This is a guy who just couldn't control himself when it came to her. He was obsessed. And so you are wiping out the person. In some instances, a killer will put a cover over somebody's face, a pillow, something to hide, then they just don't want to see and they want to obliterate that person. She was beautiful. And that really disturbed him. Like, let me get rid of who she is and all her beauty because she doesn't want me.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, another thing, Karen Stark, you know, my mom, who's going to be 94 in December, lives with us the act of stabbing a little old lady in her bed, either bedridden or asleep. That's a whole nother level of evil right there. Now, I know no one's life is more valuable than another person's life. I don't care if we're talking about a movie star, TV star like Matthew Perry or we're talking about this 80, 81 year old MA. But to attack a completely defenseless person, that's a whole nother can of worms psychologically. What is that? It's like shooting, killing a mockingbird.

[Karen Stark]

That's true. But we don't really know, Nancy, what was going on inside of that person's head.

[Nancy Grace]

Karen Stark. Excuse me one moment. Did I just hear you say it matters what's going on inside that person's head? The stabber, the killer. I don't care what's going on in their head unless they're legally insane. Doesn't matter. You know how many years it took me to figure that out? It was either 5 or 7 because I marked it. I would sit in court looking over at the defendant, always a violent felon, because everything else would get plied out thinking why? Why would they do this? Finally, I think it was year five. I'm like, why am I asking why? It doesn't matter what's going on inside his head? I have a case to prove and I'm going to prove it. So are you. As an 81 year old bedridden woman in her bed stabbed multiple times, potentially in the face and you want me to figure out what's going on in the killer's mind? Did you say that?

[Karen Stark]

No, I said we don't know what's going on. But what I was trying to say, Nancy, is that whoever this person was, they had tremendous, just like Kohlberger, rage, rage to do so many stab wounds, rage to boost somebody's face. If that actually happened, something was going on where they really did not want to make that person be recognizable. They were obsessed in this killing.

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[Nancy Grace]

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[Narrator/Reporter]

Over a decade of experience as a broadcast journalist, Angie Mock was known for her hard hitting reports on crime. Ironically, she now finds herself at the center of a murder case.

[Nancy Grace]

Joining us, Melissa McCarty, reporter and host of the Killer Genes. Melissa, both women were transported to the hospital. Describe their two injuries because they are diametrically opposed.

[Melissa McCarty]

Right. Anita Evers had multiple stab wounds and when she was transported she ended up dying at the hospital, was pronounced dead about 30 minutes later. Now Angie Mock had some cuts on her hands and she was treated as.

[Nancy Grace]

Well and release, if I am not.

[Melissa McCarty]

Mistaken, she was treated and released.

[Nancy Grace]

That's right. Very same day.

[Melissa McCarty]

Very same day.

[Nancy Grace]

Can I see Melissa McCarty please? McCarty, are you telling me that the 81 year old mother was stabbed multiple times in the torso and possibly the face and dies and the glamorous TV anchor had some cuts on her hands, is that right?

[Melissa McCarty]

That's right. That's right. She was also covered in blood.

[Nancy Grace]

Covered in blood. Now I find it very curious to Dave Mack joining us, Crime Stories investigative reporter, Very curious indeed. How did the morning TV news anchor survive the attack with a few cuts on her hands? And her mother, bedridden, is the target of a maniacal killer and is stabbed dead. How does that happen?

[Dave Mack]

You know Nancy, that's the question that they're going to have to answer very quickly because she was able to get out of the house and wave down help. Remember, Angie Mock actually went out into the street, is waving down people for help and get the cell Phone from somebody she doesn't even know just gets it and runs back into the house. So she's still got plenty of energy. She's still able to get up and go and ask for help, and yet her mother is there in the bed, having been massacred. So don't know what exactly transpired, except she had plenty of energy to go out and get help for herself.

[Nancy Grace]

Dave. Mac, do you know what you just did to me when you're talking about her mother? I felt like I swallowed a lump of coal, like something stuck in my throat. I just want to jump up and run to get to my mom and check on her. Okay, you just brought up something really interesting that I hadn't thought of. Not just that she survived the maniacal killer with a few cuts on her hands, but somehow was drenched in blood. Isn't that right, Melissa? That's a yes. No, she's drenched in blood all over the front of her, right?

[Melissa McCarty]

Correct.

[Nancy Grace]

Dave Mack, back to you. So she's drenched in blood from what, the cuts on her hands. But you brought up that she still in excellent condition. No blow to the head, no gash, no wound to her, the back of her head. She is alert. She's not screaming. Get the guy. Get the guy. Somebody broke in her house. There's. Which reminds me, was there any sign of forced entry, Dave Mack, at all?

[Dave Mack]

None. None whatsoever that we've been told about at this point, Nancy. And like you said, she's got plenty of time and energy to go around and go outside the house and seek help, so she's able to have her thoughts. She's not. She's not freaking out in that she cannot put a, you know, a thought together here. She's able to go outside and get help. And, you know, she didn't seem to, other than the blood on her hands, doesn't seem to be impacted whatsoever.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, that's also curious. You said she's not freaked out, but she did run out of the house to borrow a stranger. It was a neighbor, but they didn't really know each other's phone. Grabbed the neighbor's phone and then ran back into the home with it. I wonder why she didn't use a phone in the home or her own cell phone. I mean, I'm just trying to think this through, Dave. If I found someone injured in our home, I would not run out in the street to try to borrow somebody's phone that may or may not be out there. I would use the home phone if they have one, or my cell phone. That's odd, isn't it? Don't you find that odd?

[Dave Mack]

I found it odd that she ran outside the house because her mother is there in the bed. And as mentioned, she's got multiple stab wounds, but she doesn't have the wherewithal to get a phone in the house. I mean, come on, you probably got in that home, you probably still got a phone on the wall. Not to mention several cell phones from the adults that are there in the home. But instead of any of that, she goes outside and all I'm thinking if we're maybe she was outside afraid that the killer inside. I, I don't know, Nancy, it makes no sense. You wouldn't leave your mother in bed.

[Nancy Grace]

Outside afraid of the killer still in the house. I like that, Dave. You've got a future of fiction. Listen.

[Police/911 Dispatcher]

The 81 year old Anita Avers found unresponsive in her bed with multiple stab wounds, transported to the hospital, as is her daughter, Angie Mock, the woman who approached police in the street when they arrived. Mock, a former television news anchor reporter, is treated and released from the hospital.

[Nancy Grace]

Happy Facebook Friday to everyone and welcome Angie Mock.

[Fox 2 News Anchor/Reporter]

Thank you. So excited to be here and I look forward to connecting with you guys.

[Nancy Grace]

Out there in St. Louis from Fox 2.

[Narrator/Reporter]

The former news anchor was living with her 80 year old mother in their Wichita home on Halloween night. The spotlight shifted dramatically onto moth as events took a dark turn.

[Nancy Grace]

A dark turn again? That's certainly putting perfume on the pig. A dark turn. It sounds like a mystery novel. This is no mystery novel. And it's not a dark turn. It's murder. And it's the murder of a defenseless 81 year old woman, apparently bedridden. You know, I just heard something to Melissa McCarty. Is it true that the glam morning TV anchor was living with her mother? What? In her mother's home. Whose home was that?

[Melissa McCarty]

That's what it seems. So police have not gone on the record to confirm it, but it seems as though they were living together.

[Nancy Grace]

Hmm. Guys, what happened in that bedroom? How did Angeline Mock end up unscathed? She was treated. What? Jim Elliott. They sprayed a little Bactine on her, went goodbye. Goodbye. What? And the mother's dead. Stabbed multiple times. You don't, you don't have a problem with that? Because I do.

[Jim Elliott]

Well, so I think, you know, the difference is an 80 or 80 when you're a woman versus someone 20 or 30 years younger, the younger person could arguably be more able to defend herself than was her mother.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, so you're Saying she could defend herself. Okay, I see where you're going with that. Dr. Priya Banerjee is with us. Dr. Priya, board certified forensic pathologist and anatomic pathologist with Anchor Forensic Pathology Consulting. Let's just say she's seen a lot of dead bodies. Dr. Priya, what is the difference between a defensive stab wound and a stab wound? You would get to your hands when you are the attacker. For instance, your hand sliding down the knife. Unless you're like Brian Kohberger who had a K bar knife which has a hilt. What is a hilt? It, it looks like a cross. There is a section that turns the blade, it bisects it. And if you're the stabber, your hand would stop at the hilt. Okay, so if there is a knife that does not have a hilt, how can you tell the difference between a wound sustained to the hand if you are the a stabber versus a defensive wound? Well, I think that can be challenging. You need to look at where it is. If you're putting your hands up this way on the back that is obviously defensive, you're not going to in any way have the knife use the back of your hand to stab someone. Now if it's on the palms and it's really deep, maybe you did have a grabbing motion where the knife slipped. Remember, repeated stabs make the knife bloody, which makes it slippery. Earlier you heard a veteran trial lawyer, Jim Elliott, describe why the morning TV news star could have escaped a deranged killer unscathed. Because she's 20 to 30 years younger than her 81 year old mother. Typically, the state does not have to prove motive. But I'd be very curious to find out who would want to kill an 81 year old little old lady asleep in bed. The degree of physical acumen, the lack of aging symptoms, being very, very physically active. Yes, I could see that as an excuse. Let's take a look at Angela and Mock.

[Police/911 Dispatcher]

Ferrell's biggest fan, Angie Mock.

[Nancy Grace]

Hey, you're a big fan, right? Oh, huge. I Lambert Airport better get ready for me. You're gonna be there, right? Yeah, I mean.

[Police/911 Dispatcher]

Angie Mock is a former TV anchor who spent several years waking up the St. Louis area anchoring the morning news on Fox 2. She spent years as a reporter and anchor working for Fox 25, Oklahoma City, KLKN, Nebraska, now NBC, Montana and others.

[Fox 2 News Anchor/Reporter]

I love highlighting so many cool and interesting things that come to the St. Louis area. How do we go about training like the professionals?

[Police/911 Dispatcher]

Last curveball, we'll straighten it out.

[Nancy Grace]

That's reference at Fox 2 News. And we showed you that to explain that Jim Elliott is absolutely correct. She's in great physical shape. So is that how she escapes the deranged killer and her mother does not? To Melissa McCarty joining us from Killer Janes, was there a forced entry? Did first responders see anyone leaving the home? Or did the neighbor who lent her cell phone to Mock, did she see anyone leaving the home or a car speeding away, anything like that?

[Melissa McCarty]

There was no forced entry and according to police, there were two people, Angie standing outside the home and her mom unresponsive inside the home. That's it.

[Nancy Grace]

Did she make a statement at all? To Dave Mack joining us, investigative report, crime stories. What, if anything did Angie Mock have to say?

[Dave Mack]

Well, she hasn't made anything public that we're aware of and only getting secondhand information about what may or may not have been said to the 911 dispatcher.

[Nancy Grace]

Well, you know what, I'm being very clear, Dave. What did she say?

[Dave Mack]

She said that she did it in self defense, that she was trying to save her own life, intimating that it was a fight with her mother and she had to use the knife to protect herself.

[Nancy Grace]

Angelyn Mock, the morning TV news anchor actually says she stabbed her mother in self defense. I believe your eloquent words were she did it in self defense. What, it was a kill or be kill situation? Is that what you're saying, Dave Mack?

[Dave Mack]

That is exactly what I am saying. That she claims, oh my stars, what.

[Nancy Grace]

A difference a night can make. Check out Angie Mock in that photo. Ouch. There's a side by side. I don't want to be part of that. Okay, hold on. Jim Elliot, you're the veteran trial lawyer. I guess this is one of the reasons you tell your clients, shut your pie hole. Is anybody going to believe that Angeline Mock was defending herself against her bedridden mother in a kill or be killed situation? I mean, how do you even look at a judge?

[Jim Elliott]

Well, she's gonna have to explain that. And I mean, I guess they'll come up with some concept of, who knows, physical or mental abuse over her life, something of that sort that she may attribute it to.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, you know what, Jim Elliott, now again, you're just spinning it out. Put them up, please. Jim Elliott, you have children, I assume you read them the story of Rumpelstiltskin.

[Jim Elliott]

Yes, of course, yes.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, so you know where I'm going with this. Rumpelstiltskin took hay and he just spun it out into gold. And that's what you're doing right now. Now, now, do you? Jim Elliot and again, you're a veteran trial lawyer. Your record shows you've won a lot of cases. You represent multiple state and local municipalities. You're actually somehow coming up with the theory that this anchor. Can I see her please? The TV anchor who can ad lib, who can read script, who can do all sorts of on air antics, that she endured a lifetime of either physical, mental or emotional abuse. Did you just throw that out as a possibility?

[Jim Elliott]

Jim Elliott it is a possibility, certainly. And we don't know exactly. I mean, all she said was to save myself. We don't know what that means. We don't know what that means physically, whether there were other issues at play in their relationship or in her life or in her mother's life. And I think that has to be fully explored before we can understand. But she's gonna have to explain that.

[Nancy Grace]

My stars. I need a shrink.

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[Nancy Grace]

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace I need a Shrink Karen Stark I'll forego the drink and I'll stick with the shrink. You know I don't want to hear about any of your specific clients. But how many times do your clients blame mommy? You know I've started a fund for my daughter and son for a shrink someday because I'm sure they're going to blame everything on me. Yes, mommy told me I was fill in the blank. My mommy made me fill in that blank. It's all mommy's fault. Did you hear Elliot? The woman is bedridden. She's 81 years old. I don't care what she told you when you were five years old, to stand up straight and eat your vegetables. What? Did you hear that? Because that's where this is going.

[Karen Stark]

It doesn't make any sense. It really, if you think about it, yes, mothers, fathers, they really affect their children growing up. And that's a fact, whatever is going on. But we're talking now about an adult and a mother who is 80, 81. There is no reason for that to still be held over. And something that's in her psyche at this point, she's gone on with her life and she should be doing really well and not be blaming anybody because she's independent.

[Nancy Grace]

Karen, you keep talking about it in her mind. We don't even know if there is anything that the now dead mom did. The 81 year old. For all I know, she was an incredible mom. We're just. You are actually buying into Jim Elliott's theory that maybe, maybe this woman was emotionally abused by her mom for years and years and years so she just had to stab her dad. Well, that's the whole point.

[Karen Stark]

It doesn't matter what their relationship was like. It really does. Because at this stage in her life, she's a functioning, we assume, adult and she should not be carrying any kind of feelings about her mother that's interfering or would make her. Who would do that? Stab their own mother? That hardly ever happens.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Police responded to a reported stabbing at Mock's residence. Angelyn was found outside claiming she acted in self defense after. After stabbing her mother inside, officers discovered her mother in bed suffering from multiple stab wounds.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay. This is a tactic that will likely be used by the state if this case goes forward. All of the clips that we're showing you, every word Angie Mock has uttered on air will be combed through and used if possible in court to show that she was in her right mind. I mean, well, this is why there's got to be a mental defect defense because she blurted it out at the get go. Listen, I've already had it.

[Jim Elliott]

And stabbed the mother to save herself. About five to six knives and that's currently with her mom. She's also injured as well. No other weapons in the home, which.

[Dave Mack]

Was good, wasn't it?

[Nancy Grace]

Yeah.

[Fox 2 News Anchor/Reporter]

Oh, it was wonderful. Family was in town.

[Nancy Grace]

They're leaving today. I don't know where my tissues are.

[Fox 2 News Anchor/Reporter]

That's all right.

[Nancy Grace]

Family's in town. They're leaving today. That was from our friends at K A K E and Fox Tube. I want to hear that one more time. What she said on the scene or to the 911 dispatch. And then her crying about her family leaving after the holiday. Let's watch that one more time.

[Jim Elliott]

I've already had to stab the mother to save herself. About five to six knives and that's.

[Nancy Grace]

Currently with her mom.

[Jim Elliott]

She's also injured as well. No other weapons in the home.

[Dave Mack]

This was good, wasn't it?

[Nancy Grace]

Yeah.

[Fox 2 News Anchor/Reporter]

Oh, it was wonderful. Family was in town.

[Nancy Grace]

They're leaving today. I don't know where my tissues are.

[Fox 2 News Anchor/Reporter]

That's all right.

[Nancy Grace]

Yeah. They don't have those fancy soft ply tissues behind bars, Ms. Mock. That's from K ake and Fox 2. Okay. Dan Murphy, former NYPD detective Sargent and so much more. Author of Workplace Safety, co host Gold Shields podcast. It goes on and on and on. Thoughts?

[Dan Murphy]

There's so many thoughts about this. When she came out of the house and said what she said, allegedly she's putting herself as the person responsible for it. The reasons for it can get figured out later. When you look at this situation, she's living with her mother for whatever reason. Maybe as a caretaker, maybe financial need, probably rent free.

[Nancy Grace]

I'll just throw that in. Go ahead. Sorry. Oh, that's for our friends at Fox 2, everybody. I'm sorry, Dan. Go ahead.

[Dan Murphy]

It looks as though life has dealt her a very bad hand, so to speak. Set of cards. She does not look like the same person. Something is on a downslide. Maybe she blames the mother for things in her life. Sees the mother as holding her back in many reasons. I would love to know the story. The true dynamic in the relationship, why she's living there, what caused this. Has there been any other domestic calls there? What would lead her to this? Maybe it's narcissistic. Narcissism. Maybe she sees her as faint.

[Nancy Grace]

I'm sorry, but are you, are you a mental health professional? Because I thought you're a former NYPD detective Sergeant.

[Dan Murphy]

I am. Which is equivalent to a master's in psychology in many ways.

[Nancy Grace]

Dan. Okay, you and I both know that motive is not required. I don't care. I mean, my, my non prosecutor side does care, but I'm talking about the facts that we're going to put in front of a jury. I am asking you, you're the former NYPD and I keep saying that because you have more cases than practically any other jurisdiction in the country that you have handled personally. Analyze the facts. We'll deal with her mental defect defense that she's, you know, really painted herself in a corner with because she came out with self defense. So she stuck with it. That's not going away. She admitted she did it in self defense. Of course I don't believe that. And I want to hear what you think about the facts. Not your amateur opinion as mine would be too. I'm not a shrink about why she did it. Why does somebody stab a bedridden 81 year old woman? Don't care.

[Dan Murphy]

The bare facts. Then cops get to the scene. She lives in the home with the mother and she is covered in blood. Which is indicative of somebody who has either embraced a dead body covered in blood or somebody who themselves was responsible for it. And the blood comes out arterial spurts and things like that. Second, she's got defensive wounds potentially. Or potentially from a hand sliding down a knife. That's being in a frenzied attack, being used to attack somebody. She makes a statement indicating she did it. There's no evidence of entry by anyone else into the residence. She's the only person responsible. She's taking responsibility. The mother is bedridden and couldn't possibly have posed a threat with a knife to her daughter. Fair facts, no other suspect.

[Fox 2 News Anchor/Reporter]

Here's a look at her top stories. Several victims survive a hail of bullets in two separate shootings. But those shootings were at the exact same location.

[Police/911 Dispatcher]

A glamorous TV news anchor, Mock stands charged with first degree murder for the fatal stabbing of her 81 year old mother. Anita Avers Mock is being held in the Sedgwick county jail on a one million dollar bail.

[Nancy Grace]

From Fox 2 at this hour. As of tonight when we go to air, this case is still being built by LE law enforcement. If you know or think you know anything about the death death of this 81 year old mom, please dial Wichita PD. 316-268-4111. Repeat 316-268-4111. And remember, evil comes in many forms. Do you think the devil always shows up in a tux?

[Karen Stark]

No.

[Nancy Grace]

Don't be fooled by a killer's appearance. Even if she's a glamorous morning TV anchor. Doesn't matter. Try to keep your mind on the victim. Maybe like your own mother. 81, bedridden, stabbed multiple times. Keep that thought in your head. We remember an American hero, Detective Corporal Christopher Mock. St. Lucie County Sheriffs. Killed in the line of duty after 21 years on the force. Leaving behind a wife turned widow, Jennifer and two grieving children. American hero, Detective Corporal Christopher Mock, Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye friend. This is an I Heart podcast.