Hell on Wheels” McKenzie Shirilla Kills 2, Demands New Trial

Summary

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode: “Hell on Wheels” McKenzie Shirilla Kills 2, Demands New Trial
Date: July 2, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this bombshell episode, Nancy Grace investigates the latest developments in the case of McKenzie Shirilla, dubbed “Hell on Wheels.” Shirilla, whose brutal case is the subject of the Netflix documentary “The Crash,” has been convicted of murdering two young men by intentionally crashing her car at 100 mph. Recently, her bid for a new trial was rejected by the Ohio Supreme Court, but the media storm and courtroom drama rage on. Nancy and her panel of legal, medical, and psychological experts, as well as voices close to the victims, dissect the case, Shirilla’s actions and apparent lack of remorse, and what the ruling means for justice.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Supreme Court Ruling and Legal Proceedings (03:12, 17:37, 35:18)

• Ohio Supreme Court Decision: McKenzie Shirilla’s petition for a new trial was filed one day late; the Supreme Court refused to hear it, upholding her conviction.
  • Nancy Grace: “The lawyers filed it in the wrong court…and by the time it got to the Ohio Supremes, it was too late to file it. ...Shrilla filed a petition one day late. Ouch.” (17:37)
• Legal Defenses Discussed:
  • Insufficient presentation of possible mental health defenses.
  • Claims of ineffective assistance of counsel (John Mobley; 20:08).

2. The Incident: Facts and Victims’ Tragic Deaths (09:32, 48:56)

• Crash Details:
  • Shirilla intentionally accelerated and crashed into a brick wall, killing Dominic Russo (20) and Davion Flanagan (19).
  • Dr. Kendall Crowns (Medical Examiner): Details the catastrophic, fatal injuries suffered by the victims.
    “You're going to get massive skull fracturing. Often it’s deforming, where the entire skull fractures, the skin splits open and the brain comes out.” (09:32, 48:56)
  • Victims were very young, at the start of their lives, and died due to blunt force trauma.

3. Shirilla’s Attitude Behind Bars: “Diva Demands” (04:41, 05:23, 07:22, 12:28, 37:50)

• Whining & Entitlement Caught on Tape:
  • Shirilla complains to her mother about the lack of amusements and amenities in prison:
    • Not enough books, demands a “welcome basket,” wants an iPad, complains about the time (it’s “only 3:30”), and requests video visits.
    • Quote: “I mean, they should have, like, when you come, they should be able to give you like a…like you’re new. It's going to take a week to get your commentary. Here’s some…” (Mackenzie Shirilla, 04:41)
    • Quote: “This super, super sucks. I mean, they should…like, when you come, they should be able to give you a…like a welcome…not a welcome thing, but like, you’re new…” (05:23)
    • Quote: “Listen, we need to just figure out this iPad, like asap. Like, I’m so for real.” (07:22)
    • She’s “annoyed,” has “nothing to do,” and wants more privileges—showing little concern for her actions or the victims.
  • Nancy’s Reaction: “What does she think this is? The Four Seasons? The Ritz Carlton?” (05:52)

4. Psychological and Personality Assessments (06:16, 21:17, 22:41, 23:43)

• Cluster B Personality Disorder:
  • Dr. Kendall Crowns: “This fits the profile of sociopathy or what we call cluster B personality...narcissism, sociopathy and borderline all together in one person.” (06:16)
  • Dr. Bethany Marshall: Supports the assessment, describing Shirilla as histrionic and narcissistic, “a drama queen” who seeks constant attention.
    “Histrionic is when a person has rapidly shifting emotions that appear deep in nature, but they’re not deep at all. They’re just designed to get attention.” (22:41)
• Discussion on Mental Health Defense:
  • Consensus that Shirilla’s behavior does not reach the threshold for legal insanity or mental defect under the law.
  • Mobley: “I do not believe that she was legally insane under any law of any state.” (24:30)

5. Shirilla’s Behavior in Prison (36 Tickets & Relationships) (28:02, 29:45, 39:13)

• Infractions and Relationships:
  • 36 rule infractions ("tickets"), including exposing herself to a visitor, “tablet sex,” and other violations.
  • Cheyenne Topping (Prison Girlfriend): Explains what prison tickets mean and that Shirilla initially cared about getting in trouble because she believed she’d win her appeal.
    • “She really did care about getting tickets. She did not want to get tickets because she firmly believed she was going home on her appeal.” (40:27)
• Shirilla’s Hunger for Attention:
  • “She would walk around in prison, ask people, do you want my autograph?...I'm viral.” (Cheyenne Topping, 42:00)
• Enabling Parents:
  • Family is described as enabling—empowering Shirilla’s behavior and attitude, rather than holding her to account.

6. Victims’ Families and Their Pain (04:08, 37:05, 48:09)

• Christine Russo:
  • Older sister of Dominic Russo, co-host of “Big Sister Unhinged” podcast.
  • Expresses deep frustration and heartbreak at Shirilla’s apparent lack of remorse and self-pity behind bars.
    • “It seems like, yeah, she’s in jail, but she seems to be having a great time in jail. And that's where it's infuriating.” (37:47)
  • Confirms Shirilla never offered condolences or expressed authentic regret.
    “No, she never told me she was sorry. ...There was never responsibility taken or like an actual I'm sorry whatsoever.” (48:09)

7. Media & Social Media Factor (41:38, 43:34)

• Desire for Publicity:
  • Shirilla laments that only the end of her trial was live streamed, states “they have so much explaining to do” about her trial. (37:50)
  • Her behavior seen as a byproduct of the “TikTok generation”—seeking attention, struggling with not being the center of a digital audience.
  • Joel Walman: “She is having a tantrum that she's not getting the attention...she used to have on the outside when she was freely able to…” (43:34)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Shirilla’s Attitude in Prison

• Mackenzie Shirilla: "I know, but how am I gonna make this one book stretch? ... I'm not reading the same book over and over and over again. ... They should be able to give you like a welcome...not a welcome thing, but like you’re new..." (04:41, 05:23)
• Shirilla (about her iPad): "Listen, we need to just figure out this iPad like asap. Like, I’m so for real..." (07:22)
• Shirilla: "Yeah, I'm so irritated. Like, I just need a book. Like, so anything." (12:28)

On Victims & Family Trauma

• Dr. Kendall Crowns: "They're going to get massive skull fracturing...the entire skull fractures, the skin splits open and the brain comes out." (09:32)
• Nancy Grace: "They're dead. And Hell on Wheels Shirilla is alive and making diva demands from behind bars. She insists on being the queen of the jailhouse." (04:15)

On Legal and Psychological Analysis

• Dr. Kendall Crowns: "This fits the profile of sociopathy or what we call cluster B personality...self-centered...would get dysregulated and smash her car at 100 miles per hour into a wall." (06:16)
• Dr. Bethany Marshall: “She does not have any type of mental disorder. She looks very intact to me. She's articulate. She's manipulative.” (22:41)
• Nancy Grace: “Spoiled brat syndrome. Yeah, there she is.” (25:25)

On Accountability and Remorse

• Christine Russo: “It seems like, yeah, she’s in jail, but she seems to be having a great time in jail. And that’s where it’s infuriating.” (37:47)
• Christine Russo: "No, she never told me she was sorry [...] There was never responsibility taken or like an actual I'm sorry whatsoever." (48:09)

On Courtroom Strategies

• John Mobley: “I do believe that this young lady’s attorneys and parents have done her disservice ... this young lady’s behavior is screaming that she has severe mental health issues for which she needs counseling, therapy.” (20:08)
• Nancy Grace: “If by some crazy chance there is a new trial, you do know that she is currently making any hope of a mental defect defense or insanity impossible ... I would bring in everyone and just play them on a loop for the jury.” (44:36)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------------------------|---------------| | Ohio Supreme Court ruling and appeals process | 03:12, 17:37, 35:18 | | Description of victims’ deaths | 09:32, 48:56 | | Audio of Shirilla’s jail complaints (“Diva Demands”) | 04:41, 05:23, 07:22, 12:28, 37:50 | | Psychological analysis — Cluster B/Narcissistic Persona | 06:16, 21:17, 22:41, 23:43 | | Shirilla’s infractions and behavior in prison | 28:02, 29:45, 39:13, 40:27 | | Family & victim’s perspective (Christine Russo) | 04:08, 37:05, 48:09 | | Media/publicity focus | 37:50, 41:38, 43:34 |

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Conclusion

The episode spotlights not only the legal process and criminal facts surrounding McKenzie Shirilla’s case, but also the psychological, familial, and media-driven dimensions of a crime that continues to shock. Nancy Grace’s panel reaches a consensus: Shirilla’s behavior illustrates entitlement and self-absorption rather than remorse. The suffering of the victims’ families remains overlooked in a saga dominated by social media, family enablement, and a perpetrator who sees herself as a star—even behind bars. The fight for true justice continues.

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Transcript

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Crime stories with Nancy Grace. In the last hours, we learned the Ohio Supreme Court rejects a bid from Mackenzie Shorella, AKA Hell on Wheels Sherilla, the subject of a Netflix documentary, quote the crash quote, demanding they overturn her murder conviction. But trust me, it ain't over yet. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. That's right, Mackenzie Shrilla, AKA Hell on Wheels, takes your case all the way. All the way to the Ohio Supreme Court demanding a new trial. Based on what? Because these are the facts.

[Joel Walman]

One of the two victims dies instantly. The other does not. Mackenzie Shurilla was never unconscious. Was never unconscious at the hospital.

[Christine Russo]

It's completely shattered. I can't even put into words how tragic this has been for our entire family.

[Nancy Grace]

They're dead. And Hell on Wheels Sharrilla is alive and making diva demands from behind bars. She insists on being the queen of the jailhouse. I want you to hear Mackenzie Schirilla caught on tape.

[Mackenzie Shurilla (Hell on Wheels)]

I know, but how am I gonna make this one book stretch? You may have to read it a couple times. I'm not reading the same book over and over and over over again. I don't know, Kenzie. I don't know. This is just. This super, super sucks. I can't. I mean, they should have like, when you come, they should be able to give you like a. Like a welcome. Not a welcome thing, but like, you're new. It's gonna take a week to get your commentary. Here's some.

[Nancy Grace]

A welcome basket at the big doll house. The women. See, I. What? I. I need to hear that again. Did she actually say she deserved a welcome basket? What can you.

[Mackenzie Shurilla (Hell on Wheels)]

Supposed to be three to four days. I know, but how am I gonna make this one book stretch? You may have to read it a couple times. I'm not reading the same book over and over and over over again. I don't know, Kenzie. I don't know. This is just. This super, super sucks. I mean, they should have, like, when you come, they should be able to Give you like a, like a welcome. Not a welcome thing, but like you're new. It's going to take a week to get your commentary. Here's some shit.

[Nancy Grace]

What does she think this is? Dr. Bethany Marshall? The Mandarin? The Four Seasons? The Ritz Carlton? What does she want? A spa package when she checks into the CI Correctional Institute for killing two young, very young men? What? She's whining about having to read the same book.

[Dr. Kendall Crowns]

I think she needs a glass of champagne to go along with her snack basket and maybe some movies to watch while she's at it. You know Nancy, this fits the profile of sociopathy or what we call cluster B personality. Cluster B is when you have narcissism, sociopathy and borderline all together in one person. And this is the kind of person who would get dysregulated and smash her car at 100 miles per hour into a wall. This is the kind of person who would be self centered, who only think about herself. But what's interesting to me, Nancy, her mother has no moral compass. The mother says this sucks. What the mother needs to say is, sweetie, you're going to be here the rest of your life. There are no, there's no champagne, there's no welcome basket and you're going to have to read that book again and again. I think her mother needs to give her the Bible. I think that's the book she needs to read and she needs to stretch that one out as long as possible.

[Nancy Grace]

A welcome basket. Whining, whining that she only has one book so far. But that's not all.

[Mackenzie Shurilla (Hell on Wheels)]

Listen, we need to just figure out this iPad, like ASAP. Like I'm so for real and, and my visitation is still pending for my video visits and there's no. They're just that they'll contact me when I'm approved, so. And get all my friends to make them too. I did. I sent it to everybody. Yeah, this is gonna suck until you can get your. Like it's only 3:30. How is it only 3:30? For real? I did not even know it was only 3:30. I thought it was like five. It's 3:30.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, the two victims are dead. They're not going to get to read a book. They're not going to get to look at an iPad. They're not going to get to check the watch to see what time it is. Like she is no diva demands for them. Their families are in intense pain. The victims were very, very young at the beginning of their lives. And their only mistake was being Friends with hell on wheels. Mackenzie Scurrilla. Let's just have a little reality check. Joining me, Dr. Kendall crowns. He is the chief medical examiner out of Fort Worth, Texas. Never a lack of business. He is a star of a hit podcast which I put on loop before when I'm driving mayhem in the morgue. He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Dr. Kendall crowns before I listen to her whiny voice complaining about not having an iPad and only being given one book and enlisting all of her friends. They probably won't touch her with a 10 foot pole to write the prison or get involved with some crusade to get her more amusements behind bars. Can we talk about what happened to the two victims? How did they die?

[Dr. Kendall Crowns (Medical Examiner)]

So she drove a car at a brick wall or a concrete wall at 100 miles per hour and slammed into it basically head on, but angling it a little bit so that the passenger side hit, which is probably why she survived. So the thing is, what happened to them? Well, it's kind of dependent on if they have on seatbelts or not. At that high of a speed, seat belts and airbag airbags will deploy, but the seat belts can actually slip up and cause damage. It can fracture your collarbone, it can fracture ribs, it can fracture your pelvis and if you slide enough, it can also take your head off. The rear seat passenger evidently landed on top of the front seat passenger. So they, they hit this wall at this high rate of speed, they're going to go forward into the, they're going to get massive skull fracturing. Often it's deforming where the entire skull fractures, the skin splits open and the brain comes out. And then they're going to get multiple rib fractures, tearing of the or lacerations of the lungs, the heart and then the liver and bladder as well, spleen, kidneys, it's all that force going into your body. And then if you brace yourself at all, it will fracture your femurs, causing your legs to fold up back into your body and it'll also shatter and sever your spine as well. So there's a myriad of injuries caused by a high speed head on blunt force injury, car crash.

[Nancy Grace]

And yet she says and she's caught on tape stating quote, I'm annoyed.

[Mackenzie Shurilla (Hell on Wheels)]

Listen, we need to just figure out this iPad like asap, like I'm so for real and, and my visitation is still pending for my video visits and there's no, they're just that they'll contact me when I'm Approved. So. And get all my friends to make them too. I did. I sent it to everybody. Yeah, this is gonna suck until you can get your. Like, it's only 3:30. How is it only 3:30? For real? I did not even know it was only 3:30. I thought it was like 5. It's 3:30.

[Nancy Grace]

Do they not know they're being recorded? So not only is she demanding an iPad and complaining about the one book claiming she's, quote, annoyed. Did you just hear what Dr. Kendall Crowns described happened to the victims? Their brain coming out of their skull. And that's what their families get to think about before they go to bed at night when they put their head on their pillow, they think about their son with his skull cracked open. And she's annoyed. Oh, but there's more. Now she says, I'm just so irritated. Listen.

[Mackenzie Shurilla (Hell on Wheels)]

Yeah, I'm so irritated. Like, I just need a book. Like, so anything. Anything. Cards. A book. Yeah, right. Anything would be great. And you shouldn't make guys wait that long to get your commentary. If that's the case, you know, give me a pad of paper and a pen for, you know, intro. And then when I get my commentary, I'll give it back. But it is what it is. There's nothing we can do about it. But it's really bad. And I'm sorry. Not enough to make a person go crazy. Yeah. Literally, like, there's nothing for me to do in there. Nothing.

[Nancy Grace]

How about do something volunteering? How about do something. Do better yourself and help other people, not hurt them as you have already done.

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real life star of a Netflix special called the Crash. Mackenzie Scurrilla, AKA Hell on Wheels, loses a bid for a new murder trial in the Ohio Supreme Court after she kills two people, two young men begging her not to do it. Prosecutors argue she intentionally drove her car 100 mph without breaking into a brick wall in Strongsville, killing two. Dominic Russo, just 20. Davion Flanagan, just 19. The Ohio Supremes refused to take up this latest appeal. In this appeal, she wanted to revive a post conviction challenge. It had been dismissed by the lower courts, and the supremes ruled the petition was fil too late and the trial court lacked jurisdiction to cover it. Translation? The lawyers filed it in the wrong court, and by the time it got to the Ohio Supremes, it was too late to file it. They had 365 days to challenge the conviction after trial transcripts are filed. Shrilla filed a petition one day late. Ouch. These are the facts. Evidence shows that she threatened to kill the boyfriend. At first, this was thought to be an accident, but then evidence reveals she never took her foot off the gas. She wanted to kill him. And she did, by the way. Let's go straight out to veteran trial lawyer John Mobley, founder of the Mobley law firm. Mobley, did you hear. Did you hear the mom say, yeah, and you shouldn't have to wait for so long to get these things from the commissary. Oh, oh, bad commissary. What is wrong with these people?

[John Mobley]

Well, Nancy, you know, I've got to call it like I see it. You know, from a legal standpoint, despite this young lady's behavior, do you start

[Nancy Grace]

every explanation with I've got to call it like I see it? Of course you're going to call it like you see it. Is somebody paying you or. Or convincing you or threatening you to say anything other than call it like I see it? Okay. That said, moving forward, going forward, Mobley, we're going to Assume you're calling it like you see it. Okay, so no need to preface everything with, I'm going to call it like I see it. Okay, go ahead. Not to be repetitive, but please, John, call it like you see it.

[John Mobley]

Actually, I feel kind of threatened right now. But. But I will say that I do believe that this young lady's attorneys and parents have done her disservice just based on her history of unstable behavior. I mean, that's just documented. And when you look at her behavior while she's in the prison system, it is very clear that this young lady has undiagnosed, untreated mental health issues. And when I review the history of this case and look at the defenses that were presented in the first trial, and even looking at the claims being made by her new attorneys that are claiming ineffective assistive counsel, I don't see anywhere her attorneys addressing her mental health issues. And I do believe, again, that this young lady's behavior is screaming that she has severe mental health issues for which she needs counseling, therapy.

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What? What?

[Nancy Grace]

She has severe what?

[John Mobley]

Mental health issues.

[Mackenzie Shurilla (Hell on Wheels)]

What?

[Nancy Grace]

Mental health. Yes. You know what? Guess what, Mobley, Isn't it true you have a J.D. a Juris Doctorate. That's a yes.

[Cheyenne Topping]

No.

[Nancy Grace]

Is that true?

[John Mobley]

That is correct.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay. Are you a trained mental health caregiver?

[John Mobley]

I'm a trained criminal defense attorney, and I can identify when defendants that commit conduct have mental health issues.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, I'm going to have to cut your mic right there. That said, let's go to a real mental health care giver, Dr. Bethany Marshall. Now, we just heard Mobly give his unsolicited medical opinion. Unless you got a jdmd, I don't want to hear that coming out of your mouth. Mobly. Now, the law. Yes, Dr. Bethany. A severe mental health illness. Don't you think her defense lawyers. If she had a mental health defect, they would have written it on a banner and driven it up and down Fifth Avenue that she had a mental defect. But they didn't. Why didn't they? And you know they would have because that could have been a viable defense. But there wasn't. And I know you, John Mobley. You would have tilled that earth over and over until you dug up a little rock of mental defect. And you would have heralded it up and down the courthouse halls, but they didn't. Bethany, she's got a defect, all right? It's called narcissistic histrionic, Translation, drama queen.

[Dr. Kendall Crowns]

Yes, she does, Nancy. She does not have any type of mental disorder. She looks very intact to Me. She's articulate. She's manipulative. You know, when you hear her talking to her mother, she's making her mother feel sorry for her. She's drawing her mother in as a sympathetic person. But she does have. You're right. A personality disorder, as I said earlier. Cluster, biological. I like histrionic. That's true. Very dramatic. Histrionic is when a person has rapidly shifting emotions that appear deep in nature, but they're not deep at all. They're just designed to get attention. She wants as much attention, not just from her mother, but all of her friends. Her mother's going to pass this video link around to all of her friends. You know who it reminds me of? Nancy. Remember how Casey Anthony spoke with her mom? Remember how she whined, she pushed, she begged, she manipulated, and, you know, she wanted her mother, her. To reach out to her boyfriend. Remember that? Trying to remember the name of the boyfriend. And the mother was just overwhelmed with the daughter. Did not even know what to do with her.

[Nancy Grace]

John Mobley. Dr. Bethany Marshall is a renowned psychoanalyst with mental health training, unlike you or me, but you've dealt with enough defendants to know somehow it's always, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me. And you hear her bossing her mom around, telling the mom what to do. Narcissistic, histrionic. Those are defects, true. But they do not rise to a mental defect or insanity under the law. I'm going out on a limb here, and I'm trusting you, Mobley, because I happen to know your trial record. It's very impressive. You win a lot of cases. You make a lot of great settlements. You know the law. This does not rise to insanity.

[John Mobley]

And I want to be clear on something. And by the way, I do agree with her statement that the parents are part of the problem and they enable her with their behavior. But I want to be clear that I'm distinguishing between mental defect and disease, which would amount to legal insanity versus mental health issues with respect to mitigation. Okay? I do not believe that she was legally insane under any law of any state. Okay? I do not believe that. I do believe that she has mental health issues that were untreated, undiagnosed, and probably, you know, contributed to her conduct. And I believe that if those issues are not addressed by proper evaluation, then they could not have been presented to the court for mitigation and sentencing, and she could not, and she's not receiving treatment for it in prison. So you are correct. She will serve her prison sentence without receiving any Appropriate treatment and get out. And there'll be no change in.

[Nancy Grace]

Let me see Mobley talking.

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[Nancy Grace]

I'm flipping through the dsm. You know what that is? Because of all your mental defect defenses, you've tried to put up the Diagnostic Statistic Manual for Mental Disorders. It's now in the fifth edition, I believe. I'm looking through. Oh, I found it. Here's her picture. Spoiled brat syndrome. Yeah, there she is. They've got her picture. Spoiled brat.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Dr. Kendall Crowns (Medical Examiner)]

Ooh.

[Nancy Grace]

I'd love you to raise that defense with me as prosecutor. I would be so happy. I would be parading up in front of that jury with that DSM in my hand, and I'd make them read it. I put it up on a slide for them to have to look out and even turn the lights off so there's nowhere to look but up on the slide about what is a spoiled brat defense. You know, we saw it before with Ethan Couch, the affluenza defense. He's just so rich and affluent, he can't be held guilty because he just didn't know any better. You know what? Joel Walman, joining me, co host and star of Surviving the Survivor, Joel Wallman, do you hear John Mobley state that she has a mental defect? Could you tell us what really happened?

[Joel Walman]

Nancy? I did hear that, and I don't know John personally, but he's just. The criminal defense attorneys have a job to do, and I respect that job immensely. You know, I've been in broadcast journalism for 30 years, and I'm an observer of people, and I just see this as an absolute tsunami of dysfunction. And, Nancy, I'm not saying this so you don't yell at me, But I am 100% agreeing with you. I'm the son of a psychiatrist, the son of a social worker, and to me, the diagnosis here is a spoiled brat on steroids. She just doesn't know, doesn't have the maturity level as to the seriousness and the gravity of what she committed here, what she has done here. And then you add into the mix here the ingredient that the mother and the father here are complete enablers, her enablers. They are not stopping her and saying, mackenzie, you are the one responsible for this. They are oohing and awing her, and it is just like pouring salt in the wound. She needs a reality check because she is not getting out of prison anytime.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, wait. Every stop, everything screech Halt. Joel Walman, star co host of Surviving a Survivor. Do I have this right? Did Hell on Wheels Miss Thing Mackenzie Shurilla expose her breast to a jailhouse visitor.

[Joel Walman]

You have that right. And this is where it's also kind of a tornado of confusion here because on the one hand you have these calls where she is bored to death in jail. I can't believe it is only 3:30. It's supposed to be five. And on the flip side it seems like she's having the time of her life. She's got men who are reaching out to her. She has lesbian relationships going on. I mean the mother was asked about how do you feel, you know, that your daughter is having these lesbian relationship in prison. And her response was she's in her 20s, you know, I mean this is where the insanity is coming from. It is coming from the top down. Just like in corporate America. You've got a. A nutty boss or a CEO and the corporate culture is going to be Odd woman.

[Nancy Grace]

You think I care if she's gay? I don't care. All I care about are those two dead bodies. Did you not hear Kendall Crowns? Excuse me? Kendall Crowns, Dr. Kendall Crowns, Chief medical examiner, Tarrant County. He's seen a thing or two. Did you not hear him talk about the brains coming through the skull. I don't want to hear about she had a lesbian relationship. Don't care, you know, whatever. I care about the two dead young men. I care about their families who are sick to their stomachs every morning when they wake up, every night when they go to bed. How many tears their pillows are wet because of Shahrilla. I go give a flying fig who she's sleeping with behind bars. I feel sorry for the partner. But the exposing of her breasts in the jailhouse to a visitor. I want to hear about that. And what can you tell me Walman, about 36 tickets behind bars?

[Joel Walman]

Yeah, I mean this is one of like you said, 36 tickets infractions in prison. One of them is having, I guess alleged tablet sex, for lack of a better phrase. I don't know what the kids are calling it these days, but yeah, she's had.

[Nancy Grace]

What did you just say?

[Dr. Kendall Crowns]

Relationship.

[Nancy Grace]

Alleged tablet sex. I don't think that's what it's referred to, but just go ahead.

[Joel Walman]

Yeah, so some of this is going on and apparently she and. And a female partner, the female partner was seen on camera as Mackenzie Shurilla was, I believe she, you know, pleaded guilty in that particular infraction. And then she's got, you know, a 46 year old guy who reached out there. I'm wondering who that 50, 46 year old person is who's interested in a 21 year old who's going to be spending many years behind bars. But I mean the point I raised earlier, just confusing. On the one hand she's whining and complaining to her mom about how bad prison life is and then he's having, you know, enjoyment on the, on the flip side. So the public image that they are creating is not one of good optics and that's really what I think the family needs to be focused on

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[Nancy Grace]

Hell on Wheels, AKA mackenzie Sherill's lawyers argued her petition for post conviction relief should be considered because the filing deadline failed during a leap year. Okay, both the lower court and the Ohio Supremes laughed that out of the courtroom. The victim's families say, however, it brought them little comfort and this is why I'm hearing in my ear. We are now joined by Cheyenne Topping. This is Sherilla's girlfriend behind bars and also Christine Russo is joining us. This is the victim, one of them Dominic Russo's sister. She is the host of the Big Sister Unhinged podcast and she's trying to keep the legacy of her brother's life alive. You know what, Christine? I respect that so much. I did something in another way to keep the memory of my fiance who was murdered alive to help other people. Because in a way, you know, it keeps me connected to him. And the thought of just forgetting about what happened is. Well, I can't do that. It changed my whole life as it has yours. When you hear her whining to the mother who totally empowers her that she can't get an iPad fast enough and she doesn't have enough amusements. Amusements behind bars. Exposing her breasts to a visitor. She's not worried at all about Dominic or what happened.

[Christine Russo]

No, that's. And I really appreciate you bringing to light and exposing her and everybody in that, you know, that has to anything to do with her. I appreciate you helping our family bring that to light and exposing them for who they are. They've done a pretty good job, I think, of exposing themselves as you can hear what's going on. But it's. I, I try to stay away as best as I can. You know, scrolling through social medias and stuff, I, I can't stand looking at her face. The whining behind prison bars. It's like she's not getting. There is no punishment. It seems like, yeah, she's in jail, but she seems to be having a great time in jail. And that's where it's infuriating.

[Nancy Grace]

Listen to Mackenzie Sherilla behind bars.

[Mackenzie Shurilla (Hell on Wheels)]

The rumor mill is strong. Okay? Damn strong. People are so sad and depressing. Like, they really have like nothing, like credible nothing. This is the saddest town. Like open up my courtroom for like the whole city to come and just like live stream at all and like don't block anything. Right, Right. That's why I was hoping this one was going to be live streamed. But it wasn't. No, the end was, but not the whole thing. Just what the judge says was live streamed. But I was hoping the whole thing would have been, but it wasn't. That's okay. Who cares? They're so stupid. Dummies. Yeah, I just can't wait for them to like, they just have so much explaining to do. Like, there's so many, like, audience. All these people are talking out of their.

[Nancy Grace]

They have so much explaining to do. Joining me now, in addition to Christine Russo, who is Dominic older sister, her podcast is the Big Sister Unhinged podcast. Cheyenne Topping, who is intimately familiar with the goings on behind bars with Mackenzie Shurilla. The diva demands are insane. Cheyenne. And now she's complaining her entire trial was not live streamed. Just the end. What is wrong with her?

[Cheyenne Topping]

Yeah, that definitely sounds like Mackenzie because she is a person that is like very self absorbed. So I'm not even surprised to hear that conversation coming from her and her mom.

[Nancy Grace]

Honestly, the diva demands seemingly have no end. She's gotten 36 tickets behind bars. What is a ticket? How do you get a ticket behind bars? Cheyenne Topping.

[Cheyenne Topping]

So a ticket is like a rule infraction. So if you break one of the rules, which I gave you a handbook when you come in, when you very come in. And if you break one of those, it's basically court inside of prison. So you'll go in front of the sergeant, he'll read you your ticket, which could be like an out of place. Or as y' all see, she has like sex tickets. That's where you're like intimate with another inmate. So you'll go in front of the sergeant, he'll read it and then ask you guilty or not guilty. And if you're guilty and if it's a high enough ticket, you go to the hole. If not, you get like tablet restriction or early bed stuff, stuff like that, you know?

[Nancy Grace]

Did she seem to care when she would be reprimanded or get a ticket, as it is called, behind bars?

[Cheyenne Topping]

When I was in there with her, she really did care about getting tickets. She did not want to get tickets because she firmly believed she was going home on her appeal. So now that all this is coming out, I'm not surprised because she did start showing her true character and I could tell she was going to be on a path to destruction.

[Nancy Grace]

Honestly, more Mackenzie Shurilla, AKA Hell on Wheels, caught on tape.

[Mackenzie Shurilla (Hell on Wheels)]

I think that's why this is so popular, because it's a mystery, but it's not. It is. You know what I mean? I mean like, can they like get a hypnotized person in this position? Like, make me remember, like, that's what I would like. Yeah, I know, I know. Me too, honey. Also, bro, your guy is so big. Lmao. Like, I watched the live stream and when you walked in, I was like, damn, she said the same thing. And you look really good. Did you get that metal off your arm yet? I noticed you. You weren't wearing your arm thing. Also, I will make sure to actually answer your calls. Kendra. Funny as everybody's saying, you got a bumping little booty now, everybody, I said hashtag fat booty.

[Nancy Grace]

Sick Girl vibe. Hashtag fat booty. Okay, Cheyenne topping. You dated her behind bars for nearly a year. She's worried or bragging. She's not worried. She's bragging about her ass and how it looked on camera.

[Cheyenne Topping]

Mackenzie is just a whole nother, whole nother world when it comes to the attention. Positive or negative, she loves it all. It doesn't matter what it's for. Like, she would walk around in prison, ask people, do you want my autograph? Or ask the CEOs, like, these guys know who I am. I'm viral.

[Nancy Grace]

Now we hear Mackenzie Shurilla, AKA Hell on Wheels, killed two people, intentionally found guilty, talking about feeling sick to her stomach. But she's not feeling sick to her stomach because of what Dr. Kendall crowns just told us about what happened to the victims.

[Mackenzie Shurilla (Hell on Wheels)]

You know what?

[Nancy Grace]

I'm not going to tell you. Wait for it. Listen to this.

[Mackenzie Shurilla (Hell on Wheels)]

I'm, like, sick to my stomach. I just, like. It just, like, bothered me what they said. Like, I just can't believe they would say that. Like, I was. I couldn't. I mean, the military. Are you for real? Oh, my mom. That's a lie. That's a lie. Isn't that funny? They were trying to say that so they can make him sound like, hold on. I think he said that. So, like, the judge is like, oh, he sounds very respectable, young man. And so they give me, like, I was like, oh, my God, are you kidding me? That literally, like, made my tears stop when they said that. Like, my tears just got all sucked right back up. I couldn't even believe it down would be beside his freaking self.

[Nancy Grace]

So she is sick to her stomach, nauseated about how she was portrayed. Joel Wallman, co host and star of Surviving the Survivor. I think her priorities are Bass Ackwards,

[Joel Walman]

100%. You know, I'm just thinking about all this, listening to all the guests, and I literally cannot wrap my head around it. I mean, you just saw Jalen Brunson, the Knicks one, and they asked him afterwards, what, how do you feel? He said, I have no words. And that's kind of where I'm at right now as a journalist, because I've never seen anything like this. The only thing I can really come up with right now, and I'm afraid to say this is Mackenzie Scirilla might be the first of many that we see like this because of social media. She is, you know, obviously the TikTok generation, and they're now becoming old enough to be Incarcerated. And are all these people who are spending their entire days streaming video of themselves, are they going to be incarcerated one day and wonder where are the live cams? Because that's what we're seeing in real time right now with Mackenzie Shurilla. She is having a tantrum that she's not getting the attention that she deserves that she used to have on the outside when she was freely able to

[John Mobley]

take,

[Nancy Grace]

you know, another issue. John Mobley, if by some crazy chance there is a new trial, you do know that she is currently making any hope of a mental defense, mental defect defense or insanity impossible because there is no right to privacy behind bars. These calls are rightfully and legally recorded. I would bring in everyone and just play them on a loop for the jury.

[John Mobley]

I agree. I'm actually kind of surprised that she's making these statements while she's behind bars because any, you know, competent attorney would tell someone not to do that because if you are able to get a new trial, any post trial statements you make, they're not, you know, while you're in custody, did not make the law enforcement violation Miranda. All those statements can be used against you either A, in the prosecution's case in chief or B, it's sentencing. And I think, you know, and quite frankly, it kind of bitter in the behind of sentencing in the first case because a lot of the social media posts she made and comments she made were used at the sentencing hearing by the prosecutors. And the prosecutors argued she didn't have any remorse for her conduct, which led to her receiving a stiffer sentence. And I think again, she just kind of from that point digging herself in the hole deeper and deeper and deeper. If she does in fact get a

[Nancy Grace]

new trial, listen to what Sharilla's father has to say.

[Dr. Kendall Crowns (Medical Examiner)]

She has remorse. She was upset. If you would have heard her when she found out that Dom died, if you would have heard the sound that came out of her, it would have crushed you. I know my daughter didn't do it on purpose. I know when my daughter lies. My daughter should have been charged with vehicular homicide, two counts and juvie court and it should never left. The juvenile judge took out the aggravated murder thing for the same reason. I'm saying they should have never charged her because there's no intent, there's no prior calculation, there's no purpose. It's not there.

[Nancy Grace]

I actually feel bad for the dad. He is struggling with the concept of intent to commit a crime. Intent can be formed just like that in the blink of an eye in the Twinkling of a moment and the time it takes you to pull a trigger, that's how fast intent under the law can be formed. It does not require a long thought out plan like poisoning someone over weeks and months. It can be formed in the dime it takes you to pull a trigger. So with her, as was proven in court, not taking her foot off the gas, let's see that video of her flying by right there. There's intent. There you go. Crashing and killing two people is time enough to form intent. Cheyenne Topping Joining us, Sherilla's prison girlfriend for nearly a year. She is trying everything possible to get a new trial and she's got both of her parents bamboozled. Does she know she's got them wrapped around her little finger?

[Cheyenne Topping]

She 100% knows that they're all on her side and gonna be wrapped around her fingers. She told me from in prison that they're all behind her. And even Lyda told me Dom and sister was all behind her too as well.

[Nancy Grace]

Straight out to Christine Russo. This is Dominic's older sister and star of the big sister Unhinged podcast. There is no remorse. Has she ever told you I'm sorry, I didn't mean for this to happen?

[Christine Russo]

No, she never told me she was sorry. She acted before she was arrested. She very much acted like it was an accident. But there was a ton of lies and you know her trying to cover up the entire time, but there was never responsibility taken or like an actual I'm sorry whatsoever.

[Nancy Grace]

Back to Dr. Kendall, Crown's renowned medical examiner. When you hear all of these diva demands from behind bars and we know an appeal is in the works, could you again, a reality check. Give us a reality check about what the victims cause of death were.

[Dr. Kendall Crowns (Medical Examiner)]

So the cause of deaths are blunt force injuries. All these injuries, the skull fractures, the brain evulsion, the crushing, the chest, the explosion of their heart, lungs, liver, even their intestines, all these combine together to make the cause of death, blunt force injuries. It's not a dramatic cause of death, but it overlies the fact that they have all these crushing injuries, fractures of the ribs, pelvis, their legs, even their extremities and then the crushing of the head. So cause of death is blunt force injuries. And when you listen to all her demands, you know, she just kind of sounds sad to me, but that's my opinion.

[Nancy Grace]

Sad. She sounds like a self entitled spoiled brat who cares nothing about the fact that she killed two people and threatened she would kill the boyfriend ahead of time. Mackenzie Schirrilla is a camera hog, a real diva. And she was only egged on by the Netflix documentary the Crash, released in May. But trust me, with her mother, Natalie Shurilla, egging her on, this fight is far from over. We wait as justice unfolds and the fight goes on. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off.

[Mackenzie Shurilla (Hell on Wheels)]

Goodbye, my friend.

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