Podcast Summary: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode: HUBBY-FROM-HELL: IRS REP KILLS WIFE VIA FETISH WEBSITE, "HOT NANNY" LOVE TRIANGLE
Date: January 16, 2026
Host: Nancy Grace
Featured Guests: Gigi McKelvey (Investigative Journalist), Paul Bautista (Criminal Defense Attorney), Dr. John de la Torre (Forensic Psychologist), Dr. Kendall Krans (Chief Medical Examiner), Sidney Sumner (Crime Stories Reporter)
Podcast: iHeartPodcasts and CrimeOnline

Episode Overview

This episode delves into a stunning murder case nicknamed the "Hubby-From-Hell" affair: the double homicide involving an IRS agent, his wife, and their Brazilian au pair (“hot nanny”). Through an intricate web involving a fetish website, adultery, and shocking post-mortem behavior, Nancy Grace and her guests piece together how a seemingly perfect suburban family unraveled into violence—leaving two dead and a child traumatized.

Nancy Grace probes the “love triangle” between the husband, wife, and nanny, skepticism over the couple’s story, deep-dives into the medical and psychological nuances, and sharply addresses victim empathy and the darker side of human nature.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The 911 Calls and Initial Suspicions

Clinical Tone Raises Red Flags
Multiple experts scrutinize the 911 call made by the husband (IRS agent) when his wife is found with a fatal stab wound.
- Nancy’s observation:
  
  “That was the husband. He didn’t sound very upset…If I came home and found my husband with a hole in his neck, I’d be screaming at the top of my lungs.” (01:44)
- Dr. de la Torre calls the tone “stilted and rehearsed,” implying premeditation (04:19) and lack of emotional response.
911 Call Replayed and Dissected:
- Key moments:
  - Clinical reporting by husband: “She’s got a very big hole in her neck.” (01:33)
  - Repeated references to the wife as “they” (10:46).
Paul Bautista’s Defense:
- Dismisses tone criticism:
  
  “His voice makes no difference whatsoever...I don’t think that indicates anything, Nancy." (02:20)

2. Lurid Details: The “Hot Nanny” Affair

Behavior After the Murder:
- The nanny quickly moves all her belongings, including lingerie and personal photos, into the master bedroom where the wife was killed (07:19).
- Nancy:
  
  “Were the sheets still warm from the dead wife?” (08:10)
- Gigi McKelvey:
  
  “Not only [did they] sleep in the same bed where she was killed. Put their photos everywhere. It blows my mind.” (07:19)
Affair and Motive:
- Confirmed ongoing affair between husband and nanny, conducted right under the wife’s nose (42:11).

3. The Fetish Website Plot: Catfishing and Alibi Construction

Setup:
Husband and nanny allegedly created a fetish website profile impersonating the wife to lure Joseph Ryan, a stranger, to the home under pretext of consensual bondage roleplay.
- Gigi:
  
  “Brendan and Juliana set up a fake profile on FetLife...pretended to be Christine...looking for someone willing to come to her house.” (23:19)
- They ensured all online activity occurred while Christine was home to build an alibi. (23:48)
Execution:
- The plan was to have Ryan break in for consensual sex, then frame him for the wife’s murder after killing both Ryan and Christine.

4. Events of the Homicide: Step-by-Step Breakdown

Sequence:
1. Nanny leaves with child for zoo, returns after forgetting bag
2. Sees unfamiliar car; calls husband, who arrives quickly
3. Ryan, lured via FetLife, enters house per instructions
4. Christine is stabbed; Ryan is shot
5. Nanny and husband “save the day” scenario, but they are the actual perpetrators
- Sidney Sumner:
  
  "Christine is already under what she believes to be an attack...Ryan believes he's acting out a rape role play...Banfield (husband) and Juliana (nanny) bust into the room...Banfield shoots Joseph Ryan...then climbs on top of [Christine] and stabs her to death." (30:57-32:12)

5. Medical Evidence & Forensic Interpretation

Christine's Injuries:
- Knife wounds to the neck, some two-and-a-half inches deep, causing damage to the base of the skull (36:37-38:39).
- Dr. Kendall Krans:
  
  "A knife was shoved into the neck at such an angle...it struck the base of the skull...you're hitting all the vasculature...so you're gagging on your blood as you're bleeding out. It's pretty bad to be stabbed in the neck." (37:05)
Joseph Ryan’s Injuries:
- Shot in the head and chest, with the fatal shot delivered by the nanny (36:04).

6. Character Judgment and Jury Perceptions

Changing Appearances for Court:
- Photos show nanny transformed from “sexpot” to “matronly.”
  Nancy:
  
  “State dressed her up…her own lawyers dressed her up like that for maximum dowdy effect.” (18:37)
- Purpose: make her appear less likely to commit murder; “the more homely you look...the less likely the jury is to say you engaged in murder.” – Dr. de la Torre (19:20)
Defense Skepticism:
- Paul Bautista:
  
  “This is one of the most preposterous stories of a cooperating witness I’ve ever heard in 40 years...It sounds like the concoction of a lady...living a delusional life.” (17:04)

7. Pre-Meditation: Evidence Before & After

Preparations:
- Husband and nanny went target practicing and bought new guns a month prior to the killing (41:12).
- Purchase of new phones to hide prior communications (41:33).
Post-Crime Behavior:
- Nanny moves into master bedroom; no remorse, quick to make herself at home.
- Nancy:
  
  “The sheets were still warm...when the hot nanny moves her anal floss into mommy’s closet and props up a picture...beside the bed...that’s evidence after the fact. They had no remorse. They couldn’t wait." (34:46)

8. Psychology and Lack of Remorse

Nanny’s Attitude in Jail:
- Gigi:
  
  “Zero remorse...says she’s sad and depressed...all poor me.” (42:39)
- Letters to husband professing love, willingness to take the blame (46:16).
Nancy’s Critique:

“She’s tired of jail. I wonder if Christine is tired of that casket she’s in.” (43:09)
- Dr. de la Torre explains shock of realizing the reality of incarceration, and their delusional expectation they could “live a happy life with the four-year-old” (44:58).

9. Victim Impact and Child’s Trauma

Nancy closes with heartbreak for the overlooked victim: the four-year-old daughter left without a mother, and with a father and nanny responsible for the tragedy (47:17).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

"That's a pretty big hole in her neck. That's what it sounds like to me, De la Torre."
– Nancy Grace (04:03)
"It sounds rehearsed. It sounds like this was always meant to be kind of a teleplay..."
– Dr. John de la Torre (04:19)
"Not only (did they) sleep in the same bed where she was killed. Put their photos everywhere. It blows my mind. Nancy, how could you lay your head down in that room knowing what you did in there?”
– Gigi McKelvey (07:19)
"She’s got a very big hole in her neck."
– Husband on 911 call (01:33)
"They used Christine's computer to set up an account on this FetLife website...They only did it with Christine home as part of the alibi..."
– Gigi McKelvey (22:33-23:19)
"It's a forceful stab wound fracturing the base of the skull...If you go more centrally, you can decapitate someone easily."
– Dr. Kendall Krans (39:05)
"She is a perfect candidate for the creation of a story that will give her the sweetest deal imaginable. She will not go to jail any longer. She’ll leave the country and she’s home free."
– Paul Bautista (43:44)
"Do you just ever get exhausted making these claims, just because they're having an affair? ...Evidence from before, during and after the incident may be brought in front of the jury."
– Nancy Grace (34:46)
"We wait as justice unfolds… It's not too late…I put up many a newly discovered witness on the stand. If you know or think you know anything about this case, please dial 703-246-7800."
– Nancy Grace (47:17)

Important Timestamps

00:45-03:57: 911 call and initial analysis
06:43-08:51: Nanny moves into the marital bedroom, incriminating after-behavior
10:46-12:28: Clinical language on 911, suspicion around roles and alibis
22:33-25:37: Fetish site roleplay and catfishing details
28:51-32:12: Blunt walkthrough of the murder sequence
36:04-39:49: Medical examiner details on wounds, violence, and cause of death
42:39-44:12: The nanny's attitude in jail and shifting alliances
46:16-47:17: Family aftermath and closing appeals

Tone & Style

Nancy Grace is sharp-tongued, incredulous, and relentless in her pursuit of justice and clarity. She oscillates between dark humor (“anal floss into mommy's closet”) and raw empathy for the victims, especially the child. The expert panel adds gravity and forensic detail, with exchanges both combative (defense attorney Paul Bautista) and clinical (forensic psychologist, medical examiner).

The language is frank, colorful, and deeply human, marked by skepticism, sarcasm, and a clear victim-advocate stance.

Conclusion

This episode dissects the shocking Banfield double homicide, exposing the lurid manipulation, cold-blooded planning, and chilling aftermath left in a child’s home. Through expert analysis and Nancy’s signature tenacity, listeners receive a comprehensive understanding of both the human tragedy and the criminal intricacies of this so-called “hubby-from-hell” case.

Podcast Summary: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode Overview

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The 911 Calls and Initial Suspicions

Clinical Tone Raises Red Flags
Multiple experts scrutinize the 911 call made by the husband (IRS agent) when his wife is found with a fatal stab wound.
- Nancy’s observation:
  
  “That was the husband. He didn’t sound very upset…If I came home and found my husband with a hole in his neck, I’d be screaming at the top of my lungs.” (01:44)
- Dr. de la Torre calls the tone “stilted and rehearsed,” implying premeditation (04:19) and lack of emotional response.
911 Call Replayed and Dissected:
- Key moments:
  - Clinical reporting by husband: “She’s got a very big hole in her neck.” (01:33)
  - Repeated references to the wife as “they” (10:46).
Paul Bautista’s Defense:
- Dismisses tone criticism:
  
  “His voice makes no difference whatsoever...I don’t think that indicates anything, Nancy." (02:20)

2. Lurid Details: The “Hot Nanny” Affair

Behavior After the Murder:
- The nanny quickly moves all her belongings, including lingerie and personal photos, into the master bedroom where the wife was killed (07:19).
- Nancy:
  
  “Were the sheets still warm from the dead wife?” (08:10)
- Gigi McKelvey:
  
  “Not only [did they] sleep in the same bed where she was killed. Put their photos everywhere. It blows my mind.” (07:19)
Affair and Motive:
- Confirmed ongoing affair between husband and nanny, conducted right under the wife’s nose (42:11).

3. The Fetish Website Plot: Catfishing and Alibi Construction

Setup:
Husband and nanny allegedly created a fetish website profile impersonating the wife to lure Joseph Ryan, a stranger, to the home under pretext of consensual bondage roleplay.
- Gigi:
  
  “Brendan and Juliana set up a fake profile on FetLife...pretended to be Christine...looking for someone willing to come to her house.” (23:19)
- They ensured all online activity occurred while Christine was home to build an alibi. (23:48)
Execution:
- The plan was to have Ryan break in for consensual sex, then frame him for the wife’s murder after killing both Ryan and Christine.

4. Events of the Homicide: Step-by-Step Breakdown

Sequence:
1. Nanny leaves with child for zoo, returns after forgetting bag
2. Sees unfamiliar car; calls husband, who arrives quickly
3. Ryan, lured via FetLife, enters house per instructions
4. Christine is stabbed; Ryan is shot
5. Nanny and husband “save the day” scenario, but they are the actual perpetrators
- Sidney Sumner:
  
  "Christine is already under what she believes to be an attack...Ryan believes he's acting out a rape role play...Banfield (husband) and Juliana (nanny) bust into the room...Banfield shoots Joseph Ryan...then climbs on top of [Christine] and stabs her to death." (30:57-32:12)

5. Medical Evidence & Forensic Interpretation

Christine's Injuries:
- Knife wounds to the neck, some two-and-a-half inches deep, causing damage to the base of the skull (36:37-38:39).
- Dr. Kendall Krans:
  
  "A knife was shoved into the neck at such an angle...it struck the base of the skull...you're hitting all the vasculature...so you're gagging on your blood as you're bleeding out. It's pretty bad to be stabbed in the neck." (37:05)
Joseph Ryan’s Injuries:
- Shot in the head and chest, with the fatal shot delivered by the nanny (36:04).

6. Character Judgment and Jury Perceptions

Changing Appearances for Court:
- Photos show nanny transformed from “sexpot” to “matronly.”
  Nancy:
  
  “State dressed her up…her own lawyers dressed her up like that for maximum dowdy effect.” (18:37)
- Purpose: make her appear less likely to commit murder; “the more homely you look...the less likely the jury is to say you engaged in murder.” – Dr. de la Torre (19:20)
Defense Skepticism:
- Paul Bautista:
  
  “This is one of the most preposterous stories of a cooperating witness I’ve ever heard in 40 years...It sounds like the concoction of a lady...living a delusional life.” (17:04)

7. Pre-Meditation: Evidence Before & After

Preparations:
- Husband and nanny went target practicing and bought new guns a month prior to the killing (41:12).
- Purchase of new phones to hide prior communications (41:33).
Post-Crime Behavior:
- Nanny moves into master bedroom; no remorse, quick to make herself at home.
- Nancy:
  
  “The sheets were still warm...when the hot nanny moves her anal floss into mommy’s closet and props up a picture...beside the bed...that’s evidence after the fact. They had no remorse. They couldn’t wait." (34:46)

8. Psychology and Lack of Remorse

Nanny’s Attitude in Jail:
- Gigi:
  
  “Zero remorse...says she’s sad and depressed...all poor me.” (42:39)
- Letters to husband professing love, willingness to take the blame (46:16).
Nancy’s Critique:

“She’s tired of jail. I wonder if Christine is tired of that casket she’s in.” (43:09)
- Dr. de la Torre explains shock of realizing the reality of incarceration, and their delusional expectation they could “live a happy life with the four-year-old” (44:58).

9. Victim Impact and Child’s Trauma

Nancy closes with heartbreak for the overlooked victim: the four-year-old daughter left without a mother, and with a father and nanny responsible for the tragedy (47:17).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

"That's a pretty big hole in her neck. That's what it sounds like to me, De la Torre."
– Nancy Grace (04:03)
"It sounds rehearsed. It sounds like this was always meant to be kind of a teleplay..."
– Dr. John de la Torre (04:19)
"Not only (did they) sleep in the same bed where she was killed. Put their photos everywhere. It blows my mind. Nancy, how could you lay your head down in that room knowing what you did in there?”
– Gigi McKelvey (07:19)
"She’s got a very big hole in her neck."
– Husband on 911 call (01:33)
"They used Christine's computer to set up an account on this FetLife website...They only did it with Christine home as part of the alibi..."
– Gigi McKelvey (22:33-23:19)
"It's a forceful stab wound fracturing the base of the skull...If you go more centrally, you can decapitate someone easily."
– Dr. Kendall Krans (39:05)
"She is a perfect candidate for the creation of a story that will give her the sweetest deal imaginable. She will not go to jail any longer. She’ll leave the country and she’s home free."
– Paul Bautista (43:44)
"Do you just ever get exhausted making these claims, just because they're having an affair? ...Evidence from before, during and after the incident may be brought in front of the jury."
– Nancy Grace (34:46)
"We wait as justice unfolds… It's not too late…I put up many a newly discovered witness on the stand. If you know or think you know anything about this case, please dial 703-246-7800."
– Nancy Grace (47:17)

Important Timestamps

00:45-03:57: 911 call and initial analysis
06:43-08:51: Nanny moves into the marital bedroom, incriminating after-behavior
10:46-12:28: Clinical language on 911, suspicion around roles and alibis
22:33-25:37: Fetish site roleplay and catfishing details
28:51-32:12: Blunt walkthrough of the murder sequence
36:04-39:49: Medical examiner details on wounds, violence, and cause of death
42:39-44:12: The nanny's attitude in jail and shifting alliances
46:16-47:17: Family aftermath and closing appeals

Tone & Style

The language is frank, colorful, and deeply human, marked by skepticism, sarcasm, and a clear victim-advocate stance.

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Summary

Podcast Summary: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode Overview

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The 911 Calls and Initial Suspicions

2. Lurid Details: The “Hot Nanny” Affair

3. The Fetish Website Plot: Catfishing and Alibi Construction

4. Events of the Homicide: Step-by-Step Breakdown

5. Medical Evidence & Forensic Interpretation

6. Character Judgment and Jury Perceptions

7. Pre-Meditation: Evidence Before & After

8. Psychology and Lack of Remorse

Nancy’s Critique:

9. Victim Impact and Child’s Trauma

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

Important Timestamps

Tone & Style

Conclusion

Summary

Podcast Summary: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode Overview

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The 911 Calls and Initial Suspicions

2. Lurid Details: The “Hot Nanny” Affair

3. The Fetish Website Plot: Catfishing and Alibi Construction

4. Events of the Homicide: Step-by-Step Breakdown

5. Medical Evidence & Forensic Interpretation

6. Character Judgment and Jury Perceptions

7. Pre-Meditation: Evidence Before & After

8. Psychology and Lack of Remorse

Nancy’s Critique:

9. Victim Impact and Child’s Trauma

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

Important Timestamps

Tone & Style

Conclusion