Killer Dad Chris Watts Claims He Is A New Man

Summary

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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode: Killer Dad Chris Watts Claims He Is A New Man
Date: September 14, 2025

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Episode Overview

Nancy Grace and a panel of experts dissect the latest developments in the Chris Watts case, spotlighting his recent claims of being "a new man" and "forgiven by God" through letters sent from prison. The episode revisits the chilling details of his crimes, examines the fallout for those around him, and scrutinizes the attempts at self-redemption and blame-shifting in his prison correspondence. The conversation also delves into the role of his mistress, public fascination with the case, and the psychological and societal factors at play in familial homicide.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Chris Watts: Letters from Prison and Claims of Redemption

• Chris Watts's Prison Letters (02:09, 17:23, 30:30):

  • Watts has re-emerged in the headlines by sending handwritten letters, primarily to female pen pals, in which he insists he’s a "new man" and "God has forgiven" him for the murders of his pregnant wife Shanann and daughters Bella and Celeste.
  • Nancy Grace is skeptical, stating, "Go away. Go serve your life sentence and shut your pie hole...he looks like the devil to me. Absolutely. The devil killer dad" (02:09).
  • Watts claims: "I have always taken full responsibility for what I did." Nancy sharply rebuts: "That is a lie. He did not always take responsibility. In fact, he lied about it and begged for his wife's return, knowing full well he had murdered her and the two little girls" (04:13).
  • In his letters, Watts lays blame on mistress Nicole Kessinger — "even though I was misled by a wicked woman" — contradicting his supposed "full responsibility" (17:23). Nancy retorts: "Now is that taking full responsibility? No, it is not. And P.S. which mistress are we talking about? There have been so many…"

• Memorable Quote:

  • Nancy Grace: "You being forgiven by heaven is not mutually exclusive with you staying behind bars and rotting till the day you die." (30:44)

2. The Watts Family Dynamic & Financial Stressors

• Shanann’s Career and Family Life (06:34–10:45):

  • Shanann thrived in a multi-level marketing job (selling weight loss patches), enjoyed work perks (a Lexus, trips), and projected success on social media. Despite appearances, the family previously filed for bankruptcy and still faced financial pressures.
  • Conversations highlight how maintaining an aspirational image is "part of the presentation" for both her job and their lifestyle (09:18).
  • Both parents worked, but Nancy details the particular hardship of Shanann’s travel, which she "hated," as it took her away from her daughters and contributed to emotional strain at home.

• The Night Shanann Went Missing (12:03, 18:32):

  • Ellen Killoran details that after returning from a work trip late at night, Shanann had an "emotional conversation" with Chris; she’s not seen alive again. Chris leaves for work at 5 a.m., and later acts the concerned husband, pleading for help in finding his missing family.
  • Nancy: "So she came home that night…and then the husband leaves for work at 5am…so how does she turn up dead and where?" (19:23)

3. Investigating Chris Watts—The Masks and the Motive

• Initial Police Interviews & Deception (05:42, 18:32, 25:54):

  • Audio from Chris’s media appearances and statements reveals his manipulative, pleading facade.
  • Nancy Grace and panel point out the classic pattern: perpetrators dispose of bodies in familiar locations—Chris at an oil site where he worked, as was seen in the Scott Peterson case (24:42).

• Motive and Male Ego (23:49):

  • Ellen Killoran highlights Chris’s increasing stress, possibly feeling diminished due to Shanann’s professional success and his mounting personal failures—a dynamic occasionally at play in family annihilator cases.

4. The Role and Scrutiny of Nicole Kessinger

• Nicole Kessinger’s Statements and Involvement (33:29–54:33):

  • Nicole Kessinger describes the shock and betrayal she felt upon realizing Chris lied to her and his family. Though she initially deleted messages out of disgust, she cooperates with police after the truth is public (36:48).
  • Kessinger repeatedly claims her innocence, denying any knowledge of murder plans or that Chris’s family "were a problem" (42:50).
  • Inconsistencies arise in her account: her phone records show wedding dress searches and queries about “marrying your mistress,” and Amber Fry book research, which contradict her claim of wanting to keep things casual (38:11; 38:42).
  • Ellen Killoran notes: "There are a lot of inconsistencies…She did not know Shanann was pregnant, and he told her Shanann was ready to leave the marriage, which is 100% not true" (44:53).

• Expert Analysis of Kessinger's Demeanor (43:36):

  • Body language expert Susan Constantine observes, "Her tone of voice is really off-putting… She quickly gets over [her tears] awfully fast. That's suspicious to me."

• Memorable Quote:

  • Nicole Kessinger: "I'm gonna wake up every day and know that, like, this mom and her unborn child and these two little girls are not around anymore. And it breaks my heart." (54:20)

5. Additional Affairs and the Pattern of Deceit

• Other Affairs (45:56, 49:46):

  • Reporter Ellen Killoran reveals Chris had at least one other mistress, "Amanda," encountered via dating apps. The trysts were characterized by disturbing sexual preferences, specifically “rape fantasy” and choking—a "tone" echoing the violence he committed (50:11).
  • Nancy and experts emphasize that, while an affair doesn’t always signal murderous intent, domestic homicides often involve a recent or ongoing affair on the part of the killer (51:43).

• Memorable Quote:

  • Vincent Hill: "I think he was kind of setting the tone of what he was going to do with his wife. And I wouldn't be surprised if more women came forward… all the signs were there this whole time." (52:48)

6. The Brutality of the Crimes

• Recap of Murders (30:30):

  • Nancy provides harrowing details: Chris loaded his dead wife and still-living daughters into his truck, drove them to the oil site, murdered his daughters one by one as they pleaded for mercy, and concealed their bodies in oil tanks.
  • Watts attempts to offload blame onto Nicole Kessinger, calling her a "harlot" and a "Jezebel who led me astray," while maintaining he’s taken full responsibility—a blatant contradiction (54:51).

• Memorable Quote:

  • Nancy Grace: “Now he’s saying she’s a Jezebel. Okay Nicole Kessinger had nothing to do with these murders. He did it all on his own. Chris Watts, you may have gotten forgiveness by the Lord, but don’t expect any special treatment from Lady Justice.” (56:11)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Nancy Grace on Watts’s Redemption:
  • "I’m all for forgiveness. Lord knows I need it too... I do believe that he can also rot behind bars at the same time. They’re not mutually exclusive." (03:49)
• On TV’s Portrayal vs. Painful Reality:
  • "It is not glamorous... I typically get off of a plane, go straight to the work site, work late... get up at 3 or 4 in the morning to get to the airport... That’s not glamorous." (11:10)
• Watts Blames Mistress in Letter:
  • Nancy Grace: "In his letters, he says...I was misled by a wicked woman. He seems to be blaming his mistress for him murdering his family." (17:23)
• Data Search Revelations:
  • Nancy to Ellen Killoran: "Wait, is this the same woman that searched for anal sex preparation?" (38:11)
  • Ellen: "That is correct, yeah." (38:15)
• Direct Blame-Shifting in Letters:
  • "She was a harlot. A Jezebel who led me astray, who spoke sweet words of destruction. But I will let God have his justice with her." (54:51)
• On Mistress’s Emotional Response:
  • "It came on very sudden...how quickly she recovers after it...there should be remnants of [emotion] throughout. Even though she’s emotionally upset, she quickly gets over it awfully fast." (43:36)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Chris Watts’s initial statements & Nancy’s reaction: 02:09–05:42
• Background on Shanann and family finances: 06:34–10:45
• Timeline of the disappearance: 12:03–14:27
• Chris Watts’s prison letters & blame-shifting: 17:23–18:32; 30:30–33:29
• Nicole Kessinger interrogation, deleted texts: 36:01–36:48
• Computer search revelations (wedding dresses, Amber Fry): 38:11–39:05
• Analysis of Kessinger’s demeanor: 43:36
• Other mistress and sexual fantasies: 49:46–51:02

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Episode Takeaways

• Nancy Grace and her panel dismantle Chris Watts’s claims of redemption, calling out the hypocrisy and self-pity in his prison communications.
• The brutality and calculation of the murders, combined with Watts’s ongoing attempts to blame others (especially women), are laid bare.
• Nicole Kessinger, while not implicated in the murders, is scrutinized for her inconsistencies and motivations; however, the focus remains squarely on Watts as the sole perpetrator.
• The episode underscores the dangers of image-focused social media culture, the warning signs of domestic homicide, and the ongoing need for justice and remembrance for Shanann, Bella, Celeste, and baby Nico.

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A grim but deeply compelling episode, Nancy Grace ensures that despite Watts’s pleas for forgiveness and notoriety, the victims remain at the heart of the story—and that justice is served both in this life and the next.

Transcript

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[Nancy Grace]

Shanann Watts. Beautiful, loving, hard working, supporting the family. Mother of two little girls, Celeste and Bella. They were murdered too. Mother to be a baby. Nico, her first son. They're all dead thanks to dad. Chris Watts. Motive to be with one of his many, many lovers. But in the last days, emerging Chris Watts in the headline again go away. And his twisted prison letters claiming he's a quote new man and that God has forgiven him for murdering his pregnant wife and and both of his daughters. Did God tell him that? I don't know. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. I hate to even look at him. Why do women think he's attractive? He looks like the devil to me. Absolutely. The devil killer. Dad. Chris Watts now claims he is a new man. And God has forgiven him this as he rots in prison for really horrific crimes and the disposal of his wife and little girls. As I recall, at the Anadarko oil well grounds where he worked, his wife endured coffin birth. I don't know if endured is actually the right word. After she died, she gave birth in her makeshift grave to baby Nico, who of course, also died. I'm all for forgiveness. Lord knows I need it too. Dear Lord, I hope you're listening to that. And I think that if he seeks forgiveness, he will get forgiveness from God. I do believe that he can also rock behind bars at the same time. They're not mutually exclusive. Okay. The killer insists he is a, quote, new creature. In recent handwritten letters to a female pen pal. A new creature. A creature, yes. I don't know how new he is. Quote, I have always taken full responsibility for what I did. Okay, Right there. That is a lie. He did not always take responsibility. In fact, he lied about it and begged for his wife's return, knowing full well he had murdered her and the two little girls that Nico had been stillborn because of the murders and he had disposed of their bodies in the worst way. You know what? Let's have a little reality check. This is what happened. I don't care if he says, I've taken full responsibility for what I did. I want you to hear the husband as he begs for help.

[Nicole Kessinger]

I just want them back. I just want them to come back. And if they're not safe right now, that's what's tearing me apart. Because if they are safe, they'll come back. But if they're not, this has got to stop. Somebody has to come forward.

[Nancy Grace]

Somebody come forward. The husband begging for help at that point, trying to find his wife. And she's gorgeous. Million dollar smile, long brunette hair. Shannon Watts. I'm looking at a photo of her right now with her two daughters. Celeste, just three years old. Bella, just four. Straight out to Ellen Killoran joining us with crimeonline.com Ellen, I want to start at the beginning as this whole thing unravels. Tell me about Shannon's new job. I want to start with that Shannon.

[Ellen Killoran]

Was having a lot of success selling weight loss patches through a multi level marketing company. And part of what? A multi level marketing job Is is recruiting more salespeople. So she was posting on Facebook all the time showing how well she was doing. She was getting a car allowance. She's got a Lexus. She's going on work sponsored vacations all the time. She's working really hard, but she's also having the time of her life. And juxtapose this with what we later learn, that the family had been having financial trouble and they had filed for bankruptcy in 2005. And Chris had reportedly told some neighbors pretty recently that they were thinking about selling the home.

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[Nancy Grace]

Now here's a mom who has been devoting her entire life to raising the two little girls, Celeste and Bella. And then they hit hard times. The dad is no deadbeat. He's been working, too. So they fall on hard times and they have to get out from under staggering debt by filing bankruptcy. She manages to land a job at about $80,000 a year. But part of that job is having to travel away from her children, which she hated. She would leave for work, and I believe this country is. They call it health supplements. This $80,000 job. She had a lot of trips to Mexico and Dominican Republic. Her work often took her away from home. And that leaves the husband, Christopher Watts, at home with the two little girls. During this time, she gets pregnant, and they are looking forward to the birth of the first boy in the family. Also with me, renowned pathologist and medical examiner Dr. Michelle Dupre, and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan, profess of forensics, Jacksonville University, and author of Blood Beneath My Feet, to you, Ellen Killorn. Have you ever noticed realtors, okay, Realtors always have beautiful cars? I'm convinced they're all leased, by the way. Beautiful cars, beautiful clothes, beautiful jewelry. And I guess it's part of the image they need to project. I mean, Ellen, if you're going to go look at an apartment or look at a house, you don't want to get in a car that doesn't crank up. It's all ratty and disgusting inside.

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[Nancy Grace]

So. So I'm not judging people on their cars, but it's a facade that they need to present. This mom got this job and had to present this facade.

[Ellen Killoran]

Exactly. It's part of the job to make it. It's part of the presentation to make the whole experience seem like something that you want to participate in. Her job isn't just to selling the weight loss patches. It's also selling other people taking the kind of job that she has. She's recruiting as well. So she has to protect, project an image that makes us look very, very enticing.

[Nancy Grace]

So she starts this job and even amidst the new job where she's really having to work and travel out of town away from her two kids, she, they still are considering selling the house.

[Ellen Killoran]

ELLEN yeah, they were told a reporter that just this week that, that Chris has kind of offhandedly mentioned that they were considering selling the house. So it's really say what their financial situation was like. It seems like obviously there had been some trouble in the past, but after they filed for bankruptcy is when Shannon got this job. And also Chris had been working at the petroleum company. So they're both working, but it's hard. They've got two children, they've got another on the way. That's a lot of financial pressure. It's hard to know how easily they really were making ends meet because like you said, a big part of Shannon's job was making the job look really, really attractive to other people.

[Nancy Grace]

All we know is, well, what was his job? Hold on, what was his job? CHRISTOPHER watts his job.

[Ellen Killoran]

He worked for a petroleum company. He's been working there since at least 2015.

[Nancy Grace]

I want to get back to her going missing. ELLEN when did that happen? Give me the timeline.

[Ellen Killoran]

She had just gotten back from yet another work trip on early in the Monday morning hours. Now wait a minute.

[Nancy Grace]

I want to clear something up. I want to clear something up with me. Dr. Michelle Dupree. Joe Scott Morgan, also New York psychiatrist, Dr. Judith Joseph. You know, I don't know if you have to travel for work. Dr. Michelle Dupree. But it sounds so glamorous. It is not glamorous. Like this woman went to New Orleans, Toronto, Punta Cana, Dominican Republic, Puerto Vallarta, Vegas, San Diego. When you travel for work? Dr. Michelle Dupree. It is not glamorous. I typically get off of a plane, I go straight to the work site, dragging my beat up suitcase behind me and I get there, I work, I work late because I want to hurry and work as late as I can so I can get back earlier, end up spending the night in a hotel, grab something on the way and then I get up as quickly as I can, sometimes at 3 or 4 in the morning to get to the airport to get back home. That's not glamorous. Dr. Michelle Dupree.

[Ellen Killoran]

You're exactly right, Nancy, it is not. It's very tiring and you are worn out by the time you get home.

[Nancy Grace]

So tell me this. She gets back, Ellen, from one of these trips and what happens?

[Ellen Killoran]

She gets back late, early in the hours of Monday morning, he goes to work at 5am apparently they stay up together for three or four hours talking. And he admitted that it was an emotional conversation. So that's going to be a really big question in this case. What was going on in that quote unquote emotional conversation because she wasn't seen again after that.

[Nancy Grace]

Well, you know, when one partner travels a lot to Dr. Judith Joseph, renowned New York psychiatrist, joining us, that's very hard. As a matter of fact, Dr. Judith went My husband traveled constantly. He would leave on Sunday night and get back if I, if I was lucky, on Friday night. Our entire relationship, when we had the twins, I said, listen, something's got to give. I cannot work and be on call for crime. Related stories 24, 7, 365 and you be gone. It's just, it's, well, you know what, he started his own business so he could name his own hours. But Dr. Judith, not everybody is that fortunate to be able to just go run out and start your own business. And it's hard when one that's very stressful on a family with two tots and another on the way for one parent to be gone all the time. I guess they did have an emotional conversation.

[Ellen Killoran]

I agree with you, Nancy. You know, traveling is hard on anyone. Even people who don't have children suffer from depression, anxiety, sleep disorders related to extensive traveling. And so then when you put that stress into the mix with two young children, a husband who's bearing the brunt of things, and you know, traditionally in our society, some parts of this country are still very, very traditional. It's not common for the mother leave the home. And so there probably were a lot of feelings there. Sometimes people comment in the community about this. And so I'm not sure what was happening with this family in particular. However, you're absolutely right. Travel is stressful. And when one parent has to stay behind or one partner has to stay behind, sometimes the imagination goes wild and there are accusations of jealousy, of infidelity and, and we don't know what was happening in this family.

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[Nicole Kessinger]

Her flight got delayed from Arizona because of like other storms around the nation. She was supposed to get home like 11. She got home at like 1:48. She came home from the airport 2am and I left around 5:15. She was still here and. And like about 12, 10 in that afternoon, her friend Nicole showed up at the door. Like I had texted Shanann a few times that day, called her, say, you know, but she never got back to me. But she wasn't getting back to any of her people as well. And that's what really concerned a lot of people is like she's not getting back to her. Like if she doesn't get back to me, that's fine. Like she gets busy during the day, but she didn't get back to her people, which was very concerning. And Nicole called me when she was at the door and that's when I came home and then walked in the house and nothing vanished. Nothing was here. I mean she wasn't it, she wasn't here. The kids weren't here. Nobody was here.

[Nancy Grace]

We are discussing the case of Shannon Watts. We want justice. Shannon goes missing along with her two children, Bella and Celeste. Little tots. And to top it all off, Shannon is pregnant. I recall covering a case and I learned a startling statistics. I believe it was from the New England Journal of Medicine that the number one cause of death amongst pregnant women in the US is homicide. The number one cause of death, it's not heart failure, it's not stroke, it's not anything you may imagine. It is homicide. Very disturbing. Joining me, Dr. Michelle Dupree, Joseph Scott Morgan, Dr. Judith Joseph and Ellen Killoran. So Ellen, she goes missing. We just heard the husband, husband Christopher Watts, begging for help to try to find her. I'm thinking this suit, it's not like she'd run away with another man and bring the two little girls, Bella and Celeste with her also. She came home that night, she got home from out of town, she has this discussion probably related to the out of town trip she had to take. And then the husband leaves for work at 5am she's alive and well then. So how does she turn up dead and where Ellen?

[Ellen Killoran]

As far as I know, there were not any accusations of infidelity on her part, but apparently she did mention to a friend at one point that she was wondering if maybe her husband was being unfaithful.

[Nancy Grace]

Well, according to and yes, yes, Mark Garagos, my colleague, defense attorney for Michael Jackson, Scott Peterson, Winona Ryder, he'll tell anybody. A cheater, a murderer does not make. And he's absolutely right. But I can tell you this, when you have a happy family and a happy marriage, the husband's not waiting in the shadows to push the wife over a cliff. I know that much. I also know this problems allegedly surfacing just in the past two months because a co worker of Shannon's mom said they may have been headed for divorce. Right when they're turning the corner. Dr. Judith Joseph, new York psychiatrist, joining us. They yes, they went bankrupt in 2015, but they recently had enjoyed these lavish trips and Alexis automobile, thanks to her new job, it took her out of town a lot. And then problems began to surface at home. It looks like they're turning the corner on all their financial problems when she goes missing. JUDITH.

[Ellen Killoran]

Well, yeah, I think that that statistic that you mentioned about pregnant woman and homicide being a warm cause of death is so significant. And people don't realize this, that partners, people who are not pregnant husbands, they also experience postpartum depression and stress. And it's not the same cause. It's not hormonal. It's there's a lot of transitions that people have to face when they're having multiple children. And you add the stress of finances, you add marital pressure and maybe a third party as someone who's engaging in adultery, and then people explode. And I don't know this family in particular. I haven't treated any of them. However, it sounds like they were trying to create this facade, this appearance that things were okay. And clearly things were not okay.

[Nancy Grace]

Well, another thing, Dr. Judah Joseph as Judith JOSEPH Everybody has those problems. Everybody that is married with a family will have children to take care of, jobs, financial pressures, and she certainly was never accused of having a sex relationship with anybody else. So why does she go missing and what does all of that have to do with her body being discovered? I can tell you this much to Joseph Scott Morgan I'm sorry, but I just don't think men do as well as good a job as women do raising children. And here he is taking care of these two children. ELLEN how does it go from him taking care of the children and now she's dead and goes missing? ELLEN Come on, fast forward.

[Ellen Killoran]

ELLEN this is a husband who had financially struggled in the past. He's at home alone with Two daughters. His wife is having a lot of success. They have another baby on the way. He could have been under a lot of stress and he may have felt that his role had been diminished in the family.

[Nancy Grace]

I'm asking you. I'm not concerned about his male ego. Ellen. She's dead. And now. Let me just Q and A with myself here. Isn't it true cops believe she was killed in her home and then her body moved to Anadarko Oil and Gas Drilling Properties. Who worked there? May I ask you that? Ellen, who do we know worked at Anadarko Oil and Gas Drilling? Name one person.

[Ellen Killoran]

Chris Watts.

[Nancy Grace]

Thank you. That's what I'm talking about. Dr. Michelle Dupre. Help me out here. Pathologist, medical examiner. You know what you and I talk about. When somebody kills, they very often will do it or dispose of the body in a place they are familiar. And I always point to Scott Peterson. He's a fisherman. He goes fishing in San Francisco Bay all the time. He fishes, he golfs and he cheats. He fishes, he golfs and he cheats. It's like rinse and repeat on the back of your shampoo. He fishes, he golfs and he cheats. Where is Lacey, his dead wife and unborn child? Connor? In San Francisco Bay. Because he's comfy there he goes and dumps the bodies there. Dr. Michelle. You see it over and over.

[Ellen Killoran]

Exactly. You really do. We love it when they're dumb.

[Nancy Grace]

Yeah. And here we've got an Adarco Oil and Gas Drilling, one of those properties where the husband, Christopher Watts works. And when I come and Jo. Scott Morgan. I need expertise from you regarding how they might know the mom and the two little girls were murdered in their own home.

[Nicole Kessinger]

I called her three, texted her about three times just to say, you know, what's going on. Like, I didn't. After I called her and texted her once, it was like maybe she was just busy. Like she had just gotten back. You know, like everybody's probably calling her from her trip. She just got back from Arizona and I figured she was just busy. But when her friend showed up, that's what was like, it registered like, alright, this isn't right right now. I don't even want to just like throw anything out there. Like, I hope that she's somewhere safe right now and with the kids, but I mean, could she event. Could she just taken off? I don't know. But if somebody has her and they're not safe, like I want them back now. Like that, that. That's what's in my head. Like if they're safe right now, they're gonna come back. But if they're not safe right now, that's what, that's the not knowing part. Like if they're not safe. Last night I had every light in the house on. I was hoping that I would just get just ran over by the kids running in the door and just like barrel rushing me. But it didn't happen. And it was just a traumatic night trying to be here.

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[Nancy Grace]

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. He also says in these letters, quote, I know God does not see me as a sinner who killed his family. I don't think you should be speaking for the Lord Almighty. He says, I have confessed my sins. I am forgiven. Okay, that's between you and the Lord. But you are not getting out of jail again. You being forgiven by heaven is not mutually exclusive with you staying behind bars and rotting till the day you die. Let's have a little fact check. This is what happened to Shanann, Bella, Celeste, and Nico. Just remember, his two Little girls, Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, were in his truck as he carried their mom's body to hide it at the oil fields where he worked. He suffocated the two little girls one by one as they begged for mercy and stashed their bodies in oil drums. In addition to multiple handwritten letters, mostly about himself, he shared his thoughts with an inmate, Dylan Tallman, a prisoner in Wisconsin who befriended Watts. Tallman was in a cell next to Watts, and the two became friends, jail buddies. Tallman actually released a series of books titled the Cell Next Door. He says Watts confided that his marriage to Shanann was unhappy. Really? Then where did the three children come from? Watts whined that Shanann was, quote, really busy with her job and that he was often the primary caregiver to his daughters. So Watts claims when he lost weight and started working out, women started paying attention to him, and he, quote, met Nicole. She was, quote, everything my wife wasn't like with me. She was just nice and not a control freak. Watts also trashed Nicole Kessinger, claiming she, Nicole, quote, became the death of me. He also called her a, quote, harlot and a, quote, jezebel who led him to destruction. Oh, okay, so now he's blaming his mistress. Okay, it's her fault that Shanann, Bella and Celeste and the baby boy, Nico, are all dead. He wrote a prayer of confession. Chris Watts, quote, the words of a harlot have brought me low. Her flattering speech was like drops of Honey, that pierced my heart and soul. Little did I know that all her guests were in the chamber of death. Can you believe this guy? What happened?

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

I don't want anybody to get some of those tags.

[Nancy Grace]

Like, they have nothing to do with this case.

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

And they're just like.

[Interviewer/Investigator]

Between you and Chris.

[Nancy Grace]

Yes.

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

They're just. They're just so.

[Interviewer/Investigator]

Just tell me what you're.

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

They're just kind of raunchy.

[Interviewer/Investigator]

Okay, well.

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

Need anybody?

[Interviewer/Investigator]

Everybody's an adult.

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

Posted like we're not gonna. Somewhere I don't need. I don't want the newspapers to get that. That's all I want.

[Interviewer/Investigator]

The only ones that we would be looking for again, is the same kind of questions we're getting to here is things about his children, things about his wife, the questioning of. Did he ever. You know, has he ever said something to you that might indicate. Maybe not then, but now, that there was something like this in his mind or you. You know, what we're looking for. I don't need to come out and tell you that.

[Nancy Grace]

You are hearing. The alleged mistress of killer dad, Chris Watts. And even in light of the fact that his wife, his pregnant wife and two little girls were found dead. The mom, Shanann Watts, buried in a shallow grave, the two little girls found in vats of oil, she's still whining about how she doesn't want to hand over her cell phone to investigators because there are, quote, raunchy texts, unless you want it on page six of the New York Post, do not put it in writing. And really, don't even say it. If it's something you're ashamed of or something you. Don't repeat it, just don't say it, for Pete's sake. And she is impeding a homicide investigation because she doesn't want the world to see her raunchy text. Like I care about her raunchy text. Well, in the end, she did not impede the investigation. She handed over the phone at. Let's take a listen to Nicole Kessinger, the girlfriend, the mistress that finally comes forward two days after Shanann's disappearance, after she read newspaper articles. Listen.

[Interviewer/Investigator]

On Tuesday, which would have been the 14th of August, you had read some newspaper articles on the 13th and the 14th regarding this case. You had also had a conversation with Chris at some point during the day on Monday and on Tuesday, because of what you found. Specifically, what you said was. And I don't. Let me put words in your mouth, but you. You found out that his wife was burnt.

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

Yes.

[Interviewer/Investigator]

And you did not know that prior and you found that out via the newspaper articles, and that caused you concern?

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

Well, I just realized that he was lying to me, and I was like, well, if you can lie to me about this, what else are you lying to me about? And it made me realize that maybe his wife was in danger at that point. And it was day two, too, and she still wasn't home.

[Interviewer/Investigator]

What did that cause you to do with your phone, though?

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

Oh, what? When I deleted those, I was just kind of grossed out by him, to be honest with you. I was just like, I don't know what's going on right now, but you just lied to me. And I don't want to see this come over my phone anymore, so I removed it.

[Interviewer/Investigator]

So you just. You already said, but you removed text messages?

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

I deleted all of his stuff because he lied to me. I mean, that's what it was. It was. It was the hurt that made me delete it, and then it was the lie that made me start questioning everything else he'd been telling me for the last few days.

[Interviewer/Investigator]

And that's when you decided to come forward?

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

Yes.

[Nancy Grace]

You are hearing the voice of Nicole Kessinger, killer dad, Chris Watts's mistress, during this time. Joining me right now, in addition to Susan Constantine, Vincent Hill, Ashley Wolcott. Also with me is Ellen Killoran, crimeonline.com investigative reporter. You say there are inconsistencies, and isn't it TR has some very unusual computer searches as well?

[Ellen Killoran]

Well, that's exactly right, Nancy. And the computer searches are what I see as some inconsistencies. As you hear in her discussions with the investigators, she talks about her relationship with Chris as one where he was more serious about her than she was about him. She says repeatedly she encouraged him to try and save his marriage. She said, he has such a beautiful family. Why not hold on to this, this beautiful home? She says repeatedly that she encouraged him to stay married and work on his marriage. But once there was a data review of her phone, it looks like maybe there is some inconsistencies. She had spent two hours online doing a Google search for wedding dresses. She.

[Nancy Grace]

Wait, is this the same woman that searched for anal sex preparation?

[Ellen Killoran]

That is correct, yeah.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, it's funny how you gloss over the hard parts and you make me say them. Okay, in addition to the frothy wedding dress, I'm the one that has to blurt out the anal sex searches. Thanks, Ellen. What else did we find on our searches?

[Ellen Killoran]

She definitely. She did a search related to terms marrying your mistress.

[Nancy Grace]

What did you say?

[Ellen Killoran]

She did she did a Google search term search of terms related to the phrase marrying your mistress.

[Nancy Grace]

Is it true she did a search on how much she could make if she wrote a book like Amber Fry?

[Ellen Killoran]

She. I don't think it was specifically how much can I make if I write a book, but she absolutely was interested. And she did Google searches on Amber Fry and. And her book deal and. Oh, hated her.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, let me remind everybody. Who is Amber Fry? Amber Fry was the mistress of Scott Peterson. Amber Fry did not know Scott Peterson was married to a pregnant woman. Amber Fry then cooperated completely with police and actually caught Scott Peterson in damning cell phone conversations, wiretapping him. And as a matter of fact, there was a fear that Peterson would come kill her, but she stuck it out, and she was a star witness at the trial. It turned everything around in the Scott Peterson prosecution in the murder of his pregnant wife, Lacey and their unborn child, Connor. So, you know, here you hear Nicole Kessinger going, wow, I don't want you to find out to release my raunchy text. Amber Fry put it out there and completely cooperated with police. She volunteered to cooperate with police and was a star witness. She then later wrote a book, and I hope she made a lot of money off that book, God bless her. To Susan Constantine, deception body language expert. You know, I've got to give it to Nicole Kessinger. Without her cooperation, this case may not have cracked the way that it did. But according to Ellen Calorin, there's a lot of inconsistencies.

[Ellen Killoran]

Yeah, there are a lot of inconsistencies. And the thing is, is that it needs. They need to go back and be able to verify the information that she's given them. But for overall, you know, when I'm listening to her, Nancy, there's a lot of truth in what she's saying. So the issue was hard to come over is her lack of emotion. You know, her emotion affect is just completely off. She's very cavalier. Her tone of her voice is really off putting. And so she really sets herself up for people to really scrutinize her because her personality is shining through about how she, you know, how. How she sees the entire situation and she. How detached that she is. The part that bothers me the most is that she's trying to pretend like, hey, I'm coming in. I'm the savior. Work things out with your wife. But yet she's kind of, like pushing him away, but then kind of motioning to come closer. So she's. She's very manipulative.

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

At one point he told me that they sat down and they talked about it and he told her that he wanted to either fix things or like to try to fix things. And if she didn't want to fix them, then they needed to like, move forward with the separation and like actually file for, for a divorce. At this point, was was the impression that I got from this and was what he told me. And so he said that she was like pretty receptive to just not trying. He was like, she seemed like she just wants me to go. He's like, when she has her mind made up, she has her mind made up and that's what she wants. And he's like, she doesn't want to try anymore. And he's like. And neither do I really. And he was like, it's done. And he's like. And then the next day, I don't even know what days these were. Sometime when he was out there, he told me, we're putting the house up for sale as soon as we get back. And I was like, well, that was quick. And he was like, it's her. She's ready to go. And I was like, okay.

[Ellen Killoran]

It's the dramatic moment. Cops confront Chris Watts mistress after he murdered his pregnant wife and two daughters to start a new life with her. Why would you wipe out your family to be with me? The just released video shows 30 year old Nicole Kessinger being interrogated.

[Interviewer/Investigator]

Did you ever say anything to him about her?

[Ellen Killoran]

Never.

[Interviewer/Investigator]

Anything about his kids being a problem? Anything about his wife being a problem?

[Ellen Killoran]

Never.

[Nancy Grace]

This shocked me just as much as.

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

I think it shocked the rest of the world.

[Ellen Killoran]

She breaks down sobbing over the gruesome fate of the children, four year old Bella and three year old Celeste. Ugh.

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

He's so disgusting. I'm so ashamed of him.

[Ellen Killoran]

Why? Why, why, why? How?

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

I don't even understand how you could like bring yourself to do that to somebody who's like that big.

[Nancy Grace]

You are hearing girlfriend Nicole Kessinger and you are hearing our friend at Inside Edition, Jim Morray, Susan Constantine, deception and body language expert. What do you make of that where Nicole Kessinger, the mistress, breaks down into your story?

[Ellen Killoran]

Well, it came on very sudden, so that's the one thing that I look for and also how quickly she recovers after it. So that's what I'm looking at is that it's not unusual for someone just to break down, but when you listen to her voice there is there. I'm listening for these kind of breaks or pauses in the voice, but I'm not really hearing that. I'm not saying that she does not feel that way. I think that she does. But what bothers me the most is, is how quickly the onset of that emotion was and then how quick it ended. That bothers me because there should be remnants of it throughout. Once she's finished making that statement, you should still hear her voice still cracking up afterwards. So even though she's emotionally upset, she quickly gets over it awfully fast. That's suspicious to me.

[Nancy Grace]

To Ellen Killoran, crimeonline.com investigative reporter, you mentioned inconsistencies. What other inconsistencies have you discovered? Because I think not only was she genuinely upset about the best of the deaths of Bella and Celeste, but also was distancing herself because if she had known anything about this murder plot, she would have been roped into doing jail time right now.

[Ellen Killoran]

Yes. One thing that I want to make clear is that even though there are some inconsistencies in her story, it's also very clear that Chris Watts lied to her. She did not know Shannon Watts was pregnant, and he told her that Shannon was ready, ready to leave the marriage when. That is 100% not true. We see that. However, it. There's one other instance of the interrogation when Nicole tells police that she never told any of her friends or anyone about her relationship with Chris because it was very early on, and he was still, you know, working through a separation. But that ended up not being the case. She did have a text message exchange with a girlfriend about her relationship with Chris, but. And she called investigators the next day.

[Nancy Grace]

And told them that Alexis Torres, Chuck, not just the girlfriend we've been listening to Nicole Kessinger, but also some other woman who play these kinky sex games with killer dad Chris Watts.

[Ellen Killoran]

There was a second mistress, a woman named Amanda, and her name was secret all during, you know, his wife took their children to both of their parents live in North Carolina. So she went for six weeks in the summer with her girls, and they were out of school to stay with his parents and her parents for a vacation. And that is when he went wild. He was like a bachelor. Even his friends had joked with him. And this was. This was all in the police report, police report that the county has released. The friends sent him a text and said, how was your life as a bachelor? And he lied to his friends and said, oh, you know, I'm just working out. I'm not doing anything else. He wasn't working, working out, working out, working out.

[Nancy Grace]

I can make a lot of crude jokes. Right now, But I'm not jumping into.

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

A new relationship is a little quick. It's like, I was in a relationship earlier this year, and I think this is also a little quick. And I'm like, so why don't we take our time? And I'm like, if you guys end up doing a week on a week off with your kids, I'm like, the week you have your kids be with your children, and the week that you don't, I'm like, I don't even want to see you every day. I'm like, I think we should spend, like, a few days of that together. I'm like. Because I like my space, and I think you need your space. I think you need your space to, like, develop your identity again and, like, get it back. Because I think he's just been, like, so wrapped up in this whole thing that he's got in his own life and his life that he. I mean, he doesn't remember, probably, what it's like to, like, be single or have time where it's, like, just him. And so I was just like, you know, like, embrace that. It's a beautiful thing. And I really try to, like, take it smart with all that. And it was the same thing with his kids. I was just like, you know, like.

[Nancy Grace]

And I.

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

And we talk about things every once in a while where I. You know, I'd be like, hey, if I ever meet, you know, because, like, I have a lot of house plants. That's a good example. So I have a lot of house plants. And I told.

[Ellen Killoran]

I told him.

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

I was like, one day, if I ever meet your kids. I was like, I'm gonna show these girls how to, like, paint pottery and plants. Plants. I was like, I think they would love to see something grow that they built. I think it would be really, really cute. And, like, little stuff like that. But it wasn't very frequent. It wasn't, hey, we should get married, and, hey, we should have babies, and, hey, I want to live with. And, hey, need to meet your children now, and let's cut the mom out. It was never like that.

[Interviewer/Investigator]

There was never any conversation about, you know, we can't do this with her around. We can't do this with the kids around. He never said that. You never said that.

[Nancy Grace]

Yeah. Maybe they didn't talk about the marriage and the moving in because there was a problem. His wife Shannon, the pregnant wife. You know, I'm. I'm listening to the girlfriend, Nicole Kessinger. Were these statements Alexis to Restchuck before or after the bodies were found before. Okay, so she didn't yet know that the wife and the children were dead. Okay, that, that, that's a little. That alleviates some of this because I was wondering how could she talk about all that when the bodies had just been recovered? You know, another aspect to this is police were listening to her, but they were probably also looking at her as a potential person of interest. Potential. She did not have anything to do with these murders. Let's just be clear about that. So the wife and the children at this point are missing and she's just talking as fast as she can. She conveniently left out the search for wedding dresses. Do people quote, hate Amber Fry? Who? Scott Peterson's mistress. When Lacey, his pregnant wife, was murdered. How to prepare for anal sex. Oh, let's see. There's just so many to choose from. I don't really know what to pick first. Alexis Therese Chuck. I doubt pretty seriously she knew his plan to murder his wife and children or that he had another mistress. Bring us up to date. Alexis Therese Chuck.

[Ellen Killoran]

So I don't think she did know that he had another mistress. There is a woman named Amanda and she. We secretly interviewed her before her name became public. And she told us that she met Chris on a dating app. They had a really dirty one night stand. She said that he was into. He wanted to do a rape fantasy, that he choked her out while they had sex and she loved.

[Nancy Grace]

In the right fantasy, was he the victim or was she the victim?

[Ellen Killoran]

She was the victim. So he was. He was the one that was raping her in their sex fantasy. That was consensual.

[Nancy Grace]

She said all that rage, all that hate towards women. I just. Okay, go ahead.

[Ellen Killoran]

And she said that she really. She had a really good time with it. She thought he was really attractive and it was a really sexy one night stand. So, yeah, so he started cheating on his wife, his pregnant wife, basically the same minute she got pregnant. And then he moved on to not just cheating on her, but having a full blown relationship and a woman who thought they were going to get married. This is somebody who he FaceTimed with this mistress, he. So he killed his wife and children.

[Nancy Grace]

Why are you acting so indignant that the mistress thought they were going to get married? The mistress knew he was already married.

[Ellen Killoran]

I guess, and she thought he was a Marian type, that he would just bounce back from one and marry her again. And so the night that the women went missing, the first night, I'm sorry, the daughters and his wife, he sat on his bed, his unmade bed in his bedroom, on his phone, his iPhone and FaceTimed with her so she could see he was in bed where his wife had most likely died and that he was just chatting with her. She said he was staring at her very intently and he wasn't crying about his children missing or his wife missing. He was just carrying on like a flirty conversation with her, knowing that his wife was. He had killed his wife and his daughters in that very house within the last 24 hours.

[Nancy Grace]

Wow. You know, it's, it's interesting that people worry about the you, Alexis, let me be clear. Worry about how the mistress was hurt. You know, to hay with the mistress. She knew full well he was married with children. Although, although I don't think she knew the wife was pregnant. VINCENT Hill Private INVESTIGATOR AUTHOR OF Playbook to Murder so often the defense will be, and I remember Mark Garrigos, who never agree with him, but he is a good defense lawyer, would always say an adulterer does not a murderer make. And that's true. Just because you're having an affair does not mean you're going to commit murder. But in domestic homicides, very often you will find when the wife is murdered by the husband, there has been an affair. So the converse to me is true. Very often in domestic homicides, you will find the killer is an adulterer. True adulterer doesn't mean a killer necessarily, but the reverse may very well be true. VINCENT HILL they had to know they were going to dig up at least one mistress.

[Interviewer/Investigator]

VINCENT what's really disturbing, Nancy, is I think with this other mistress that he met on Tinder or whatever dating website, it was the fact that he wanted to play out this rape fantasy and strangle her. I think he was kind of setting the tone of what he was going to do with his wife. And I wouldn't be surprised if more women came forward at a later time, whether it's from 10 years ago and say, yeah, he'd like to choke or strangle or something like that. So I think all the signs were there this, this whole time. And luckily for this other mistress, I think she got out kind of lucky, to be honest with you.

[Nancy Grace]

Well, you know what? You're right. You're right. And again, although we're giving her a hard time, she is in no way implicated in his murderous plan. As a matter of fact, listen to girlfriend Nicole Kessinger.

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

You know, it wasn't fair to his family for him to have an affair. It wasn't fair to me to have.

[Nancy Grace]

Him lie to me.

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

And make me think that everything is to plan. And still, to this day, I don't even know what's a lie and what's not. I don't even know if they were, like, filing for divorce. I don't know if they were putting the house up. I don't even know. I don't even know anymore what is real and what is not. But what I do know is, it's just like, you know, that wasn't fair to me either, because if I'd have known not even all the truth, but, like, obviously some of it, I wouldn't have even engaged in any of this in the first place. And it just. I mean. And that's the part for me, just, like, on my personal level, outside of it, everything that is happening that.

[Nancy Grace]

Is.

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

Gonna affect me long term, it's like, you know, I'm gonna wake up every day and know that, like, this mom and her unborn child and these two little girls are not around anymore. And it breaks my heart.

[Nancy Grace]

It is so.

[Nicole Kessinger (continued/interrogation)]

In any. And then I have to think about, like, the consequences of his actions and how they affect everybody else. Like, all of these, her families impacted. My name is about to be, like, slandered for probably a while.

[Nancy Grace]

Elsewhere in these letters, Watts continues to repeat his quote, jezebel mistress Nicole Kessinger is really responsible. Quote, quote, oh, my stars, this idiot quote, I hope the appeals court sees this again. Quote, she was a harlot. Does somebody actually still say harlot? I guess so. She was a harlot. A Jezebel who led me astray, who spoke sweet words of destruction. But I will let God have his justice with her. I was weak, and I let her cloud my morals and my judgment. Okay? She was never implicated in any of this. She had nothing to do with the murders. As he is, quote, taking full responsibility, he's. He's blaming the woman he conned into an affair, one of the many women he conned into an affair. Now he's saying she's a Jezebel.

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[Nancy Grace]

I think he's talking about the biblical Queen Jezebel, known for her wicked and immoral and immoral actions.

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[Nancy Grace]

Okay, Nicole Kessinger had nothing to do with these murders. He did it all on his own. Chris Watts, you may have gotten forgiveness by the Lord, but don't expect any special treatment from Lady Justice. Goodbye, friends.

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