KILLER HUSBAND BRIAN WALSHE TWISTS IN COURT AS WIFE'S LOVER TAKES THE STAND, JURY BRINGS DOWN THE HAMMER

Summary

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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode: Killer Husband Brian Walshe Twists in Court as Wife's Lover Takes the Stand, Jury Brings Down the Hammer

Date: January 24, 2026
Host: Nancy Grace
Notable Guests: Bob Ward, Tom Ruskin, Julie Lewis, David Stoddard, Karen Stark, Dr. Kendall Crowns

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Overview

In this gripping episode, Nancy Grace and her panel of experts dissect every shocking detail of the Brian Walshe trial, where Walshe stands accused—and ultimately convicted—of murdering and dismembering his wife, Anna Walsh. The episode delves into the evidence, the critical role of Anna’s lover in court, the digital and forensic trail, and ends with the emotional toll on Anna’s three young sons. With her signature prosecutorial zeal, Grace walks listeners through the twists and turns of the investigation and trial, highlighting how digital forensics, damning Google searches, and physical evidence led the jury to a swift and decisive verdict.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Case Introduction & Trial Drama (02:26)

• Brian Walshe, a Massachusetts father of three and convicted art fraudster, faces trial for the alleged murder and dismemberment of his wife, Anna Walsh.
• The courtroom is riveted as Anna’s lover, William Fastow, takes the stand, revealing intimate details about Anna’s state of mind and her fractured marriage.

Nancy Grace: “Brian Walsh accused of murdering and dismembering his wife Anna, the mother of his children. Got to sit by and listen to her lover on the stand.” (02:35)

2. Background: Anna’s Disappearance & Marriage Dynamics (03:00-05:44)

• Anna was last seen departing for a supposed work trip to D.C. but never boarded her flight; her husband failed to report her missing—her employer did.
• William Fastow testifies that Anna was deeply unhappy, emotionally drained, and shouldered the family’s financial burden while Brian was under house arrest for art fraud.

Fastow via Nancy Grace: "She was deeply upset that she was not in a position to be the mother to her children she wanted to be because of her husband." (04:18)

3. Timeline of Events & Initial Investigation (05:44-12:26)

• Investigators can’t confirm the rideshare or the flight she allegedly took, and all leads hit dead ends.
• Nancy, with guest Bob Ward, emphasizes how odd it is for a high-powered executive’s employer—not family—to initiate the missing persons report.
• Digital and flight records show Anna never left town.

Bob Ward: “Right from the very beginning, this sounded odd because ... this was New Year's Day ... She had a party at her house ... a mother of three who claimed there was an emergency at her realty firm in Washington, D.C.” (07:36)

4. Critical Evidence: The Digital Trail (18:04-24:58)

• Brian claims he lost his way to his mother’s house (citing a “pirate ship” landmark) because he didn't have his phone—expert guests express extreme skepticism.
• Surveillance and phone data places Brian discarding heavy trash bags at multiple dumpsters across the region, leading up to an incinerator where it’s believed Anna’s remains were destroyed.

Nancy Grace: “When he starts going from one dumpster to the next ... all in a one hour period, that concerns me. And you know who it reminds me of ... Jennifer Doulos, the missing Connecticut mom of five …” (24:58)

5. Forensic Bombshell: Dumpster Evidence (24:58-30:10)

• Trash bags recovered (not incinerated) contained a hatchet, hacksaw, bloody rug, Anna’s purse and boots, and even her COVID-19 vaccine card.
• Without a body, forensic evidence (bloody tools, clothing, and personal effects) proved pivotal.

Bob Ward: “They found a hatchet, a hacksaw ... Anna's Prada purse, the boots she was seen wearing at that New Year's Eve party ... her COVID 19 card. It's absolutely stunning.” (29:51)

6. Digital Forensics: Google Searches of Doom (42:16-47:56)

• Brian’s devastating Google search history, performed on his son’s iPad hours after Anna’s disappearance, included:
  • “How long before a body starts to smell?”
  • “10 ways to dispose of a dead body if you really need to”
  • “How long for someone to be missing to inherit?”
  • “Can you throw away body parts?”
  • “Dismemberment and best ways to dispose of a body”
  • “How to clean blood from wooden floor”
  • “Luminol to detect blood”
• Dr. Kendall Crowns provides medical context for these searches in a chilling “lightning round.”

Nancy Grace: “He goes and he finds his kid's iPad and he's doing these searches within a couple of hours of his wife being there, someone that he loved. And this is what he is doing. … the depravity of this case to me is really just off the charts.” (48:21, 50:53)

7. Domestic Violence, Motive, and the Final Blow (50:53-54:29)

• Prior abuse noted: Anna previously reported that Brian threatened to kill her (2014), and posted images of bruises years before her death; experts agree on a pattern of escalating domestic violence.
• A haunting note found on a champagne box (“2023 is going to be a great year. Love you, Anna”) believed to be Anna’s last written words to Brian.
• Jury finds Brian Walshe guilty of first-degree murder, misleading investigators, and improper disposal of a body. He is sentenced to life without parole.

Bob Ward: “You don't get to this kind of … hatred to, you know, I can understand a moment of passion, of murder, you know, a moment of anger, but this dismemberment and this depravity that we see here in these messages ... It's almost too much.” (54:11)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Digital Evidence:
  “He’s searching ‘how long before a body starts to smell’ at 4:55am … Anna Walsh was alive at 1:00 in the morning and at 4:55am she’s gone and that search is done.” (Bob Ward, 49:10)
• On Cover-up Behavior:
  “Why is it that when a woman goes missing, her husband suddenly turns into a neatnik and he has to throw out the trash?” (Nancy Grace, 24:58)
• On Domestic Violence Escalation:
  “She complained back in 2014, before they were engaged, ... he threatened to kill her in 2014. ... I think there was an escalation of domestic violence.” (Bob Ward, 51:09)
• On Jury Verdict:
  “The jury brings down the hammer, finding Brian Walsh guilty in the murder and dismemberment of his wife, 39 year old Anna Walsh, the mother of their three little boys. He gets life without parole. Brian Walsh rot in hell.” (Nancy Grace, 54:29)

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Important Timestamps

| Time | Segment | |--------|------------------------------------------------| | 02:26 | Nancy Grace introduces the case and trial drama | | 05:44 | Timeline: Anna’s last known movements | | 12:26 | Employer reports Anna missing, not Brian | | 18:04 | Lover Fastow testifies – marriage woes & finances| | 24:08 | Surveillance: Brian’s suspicious trips to dumpsters| | 29:51 | Forensic finds: Tools, clothing, and more | | 42:16 | Brian’s damning Google searches revealed | | 47:26 | Dr. Crowns: Forensic explanation of searches | | 50:53 | Domestic violence, last note & motive explored | | 54:29 | Verdict: Guilty, life without parole |

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Conclusion

Nancy Grace and her guests meticulously piece together the case against Brian Walshe, expertly walking listeners through the workflow of investigation, the avalanche of digital and physical evidence, and the haunting context of escalating domestic abuse. The episode concludes with the weight of the tragedy Anna’s three children face, and Nancy’s blunt demand for justice.

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Nancy Grace’s closing words:
“The jury brings down the hammer ... Brian Walsh rot in hell. Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye friend.” (54:29)

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Transcript

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[Nancy Grace]

Suspected killer Suspected killer Husband Brian Walsh twists and turns in court as his wife's lover takes the stand. The jury brings down the hammer. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. A Massachusetts father of three stands trial for his wife Anna Walsh's alleged murder. And while he's sitting there groomed, perfectly flanked by a phalanx of attorneys, his wife's alleged. His wife's lover takes the stand. That's right. Brian Walsh accused of murdering and dismembering his wife Anna, the mother of his children. Got to sit by and listen to his lover, to her lover on the stand. Now listen to this. And you can't really blame the defense attorney. What did he have to work with? During opening statements, defense attorney said Brian Walsh found his wife dead in bed on New Year's Day. Then panicked, lied to police as they investigated her disappearance but swore he didn't kill her. Okay, so he finds her dead and didn't call 911. He decided it was a better idea to dismember her and get rid of her body. Okay. Gerard also heard testimony from a man who was Anna Walsh's lover on the stand as well as a voicemail Brian Walsh left the guy the day she Anna was reported missing. His name, William Fastow, real estate broker in D.C. met Anna while she was looking for a home in D.C. and he helped her buy a townhouse. Now remember, her husband Brian Walsh was on house arrest because he's an art con selling fake Andy Warhol's. So I guess anybody but him looked pretty attractive to her. Yeah, my husband's on house arrest at home, not making a living. Not attractive. You know, I'm telling you this much. I get up and go to work every day and I expect David lynch to get up and go to work every day too. And he does. Plus don't be jealous ladies. He empties the trash and cleans up after I cook. So you know, that said, that's a high standard Brian Walsh just laid around the house. Why? Because he was a con and got sentenced to house arrest. Fastow the lover says Anna was despondent and sad because she was away from her children so much. But she had to be to make a living because her husband had home confinement. She was deeply upset that she was not in a position to be the mother to her children. She wanted to be because of her husband. What happened to Anna Walsh? New Tonight, police are asking the public to help them find a Cohasset, Massachusetts mother of three who vanished without a trace on New Year's Day. 39 year old Anna Walsh left her home early Sunday morning. She was supposed to take a Flight from Logan to D.C. where she works during the week. But there's no record of her ever boarding a flight. Police say there's been reports that she took a ride share but investigators haven't been able to confirm that.

[Commercial Announcer]

Three days after she was seen leaving her home with bags in hand, Walsh was reported missing.

[Bob Ward]

We cannot confirm that she actually got into a ride share in Cohasset. We can further we have confirmed with the airlines and that's been a challenge that she did not board a plan plane this week.

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Police say her phone has been off.

[Bob Ward]

And there has been no activity on her credit or debit cards.

[Nancy Grace]

Just a loving wife and mother to she always says three beautiful boys. Three beautiful boys.

[Bob Ward]

So she loves so much.

[Nancy Grace]

Three little boys wondering where is mommy? You are hearing our friends at WPRI and wusa. So where's Anna now? I had to take that exact flight very often. And between New York and Boston, D.C. it's almost a triangle of hourly flights. With me, an all star panel to make sense of what we know right now. But first I want to go to Bob ward, reporter for Boston 25 News. You can find him at twitter @b.ward3 Bob, thank you for being with us. Could you just verbalize that a little bit better than I did? I mean, I know out of in New York, I would very often have to race from Court TV to get to the Marine Air Terminal at LaGuardia. Different terminal than the main LaGuardia terminal because they had hourly flights not only to Atlanta but to D.C. where I would go to shoot Larry King. And believe it or not, they were so regular, almost like a bus, for Pete's sake. I could be there within two hours of leaving the studios in Manhattan. It was amazing. But there's so many flights out of Logan to New York and D.C. that's a lot of investigation to find out if she really did get on a plane.

[Tom Ruskin]

Right.

[Bob Ward]

But you know, Nancy, right from the very beginning this sounded odd because you're talking this was New Year's Day. This was first thing in the morning on New Year's Day. She had a party at her house that went until about 1 o' clock in the morning, New Year's Eve into New Year's Day. A mother of three that who claimed there was an emergency at her realty firm in Washington, D.C. okay, wait, let.

[Nancy Grace]

Me, let me, let's stop right there. Bob Ward is joining me from Boston 25 News. I'm drinking out of the fire hydrant from you, Bob Ward. You're giving me so much Information so quickly. So with the three children, she was actually working in D.C. living in the Boston area. And what was her job in dc? Was it a new job?

[Bob Ward]

It was, it was a fairly new job. You know, we're still trying to unpack some of this stuff, but she had, she had a job with an apartment.

[Nancy Grace]

Down in D.C. okay, what was her job in D.C?

[Bob Ward]

I'M not clear on what her job was. She was not a realtor, but she was some kind of property manager.

[Nancy Grace]

That's it. That's what it was. Property manager. And hold on just a moment. We all know about getting a new job. You feel like you've got to do whatever they want to make that great impression. So they don't say, wow, we've got her on six months probation. We're gonna can her. She's not doing a very good job. I mean, David Stoddard is with me right now, guys. Now I think of David Stoddard as a motorman, as an apd, Atlanta Police Department officer. But now he is a very well known lawyer. David Stoddard, do you remember your first day on the job as a cop?

[Bob Ward]

Absolutely, I do. And it was a long, long time ago, 1988. And I do remember my first day. And I was super excited, super enthusiastic and just wanting to get out and.

[Nancy Grace]

Save the world and didn't want to screw anything up and land at some desk assignment.

[Bob Ward]

That's right. We were on a very strict six month probationary period when we first started there. And any infraction would cause you some difficulty right quick. So to your point. Absolutely, I would, I was willing to do whatever I needed to do to get through that probationary period.

[Nancy Grace]

And then you put yourself through law school. Can you remember your first day working as a lawyer? You're like, man, I hope I don't screw this up. This is nothing like being a cop.

[Bob Ward]

That's absolutely right. The same sort of feeling.

[Nancy Grace]

I mean, Karen Stark, you remember, you would be with me on the set at Court tv. Karen Stark is with me, renowned psychologist joining us out of the Manhattan jurisdiction. She'[e-mail] Karen with a C. Karen, you'd be with me on the set at Court tv and my stomach would be churning to figure out if I can make that flight to get to Larry King studios in Washington to get on the air, you know, and I would make it. I don't think I ever did not make it. But when you've got a new gig, you'll do anything. And if they told Me, hey, you got to fly to D.C. to be on tonight. I go, sure. I can't wait. Just like this woman, they go, hey, you got to fly down to D.C. we got an emergency. I. I don't care if it's New Year's Day and she would hop that plane. Would you agree with that?

[Julie Lewis]

I would agree with it, Nancy. And I remember those days like it was yesterday. And you were always doing above and beyond what you needed to do. I used to watch you on Larry King because I couldn't believe that you would make it. And you always made it. But what pressure.

[Nancy Grace]

Yeah, there were a lot of white knuckles in a cab trying to get to LaGuardia Marina. So we're hearing from Bob Ward that some something wasn't right. But yet it was a new job, so people chalked it off. Well, you know, she's proving herself. But then things even went more sideways. Take a listen to our friends at Boston 25.

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A Cohasset police log is shedding new light on how the investigation first got started. It says a call requesting a well being check was made on January 4 by a man who identified himself as the head of security at Honor Walsh's employer in D.C. tishman Speyer. The log says Tishman Speyer contacted husband B.R. walsh before he reported his wife missing. It explains that he told police Anna left for D.C. and he hadn't heard from her since. According to the log, Ana's phone Last pinged on January 2nd at 3:14am in Cohasset and hit the tower on Reservoir Road in Cohasset, less than a mile from the family's home.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay with me. Very well known PI Private investigator Tom Ruskin is with us. Ruskin is president of CMP Protective and Investigative Group, Inc. Former NYPD investigator, and you can find him at cmp-group.com Tom Ruskin. I don't like it when it's your job calling to report you missing, not your family.

[Tom Ruskin]

Correct. I mean, this stinks to the high heavens. It really does. Not to mention that it is a lot easier now than when I joined the force before my colleague in 1982 to check flight records, to check TSA records, to check different airlines. There's only a certain number of airlines that would fly between her home and Washington, D.C. and it's very easy for the TSA and Homeland Security to go into those records now and search for her name, her date of birth and see if she A had a plane reservation, B, did she clear security with all the cameras that are in airports and C Did she actually get on the flight?

[Nancy Grace]

Can I tell you something, Tom Ruskin? That's an excellent point I hadn't even thought of because I remember going, and you'll laugh at this stutter, going to the Greyhound bus station in inner city Atlanta trying to find out if a particular woman, who always into this day is still a Jane Doe, by the way, who was murdered, if she had gotten off of a Greyhound bus before she was murdered, by whom I believe to be a serial killer. Don't worry, I got him on 1:1. But it was so hard to do. Tom.

[Tom Ruskin]

Nancy, you'll also remember when you ran from Court TV to the Marine Air terminal at LaGuardia Airport. You used to be able to run through no magnetometers. You'd run on a Delta flight or People's Express flight or Eastern back then and you just jump on the flight with a random ticket that you could fly any hour. Nowadays you can't do that.

[Nancy Grace]

Oh no. Tsa man, they got to justify their existence and so they will do a full on body cavity search if they feel like it. It doesn't matter who you are. You know who gets searched the most? My mother going in with a wheelchair when we push her around the airport even though she can walk. But yeah, they love to hone in on my mom, Elizabeth. That said, you're right, Tom Ruskin. There's only a couple of air carriers that go between Boston and D.C.

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[Nancy Grace]

The Lover Fastow testified the fraud case against Brian Walsh was a quote, big stressor in Anna's marriage and it felt like he was ruining and she felt like it was ruining her and the children's life. He testified that Anna and Walsh had a quote, heated argument over credit card charges. She told him Brian Walsh, sitting on his rear end on the sofa, not working, had spent thousands for a sports memorabilia business. I would have done a backflip. What do we know about the evidence regarding her murder? The employer is reporting Ana missing, not her family. But listen to this.

[Commercial Announcer]

Wbc WBZ has obtained and verified audio of a voicemail left by Mr. Walsh.

[Nancy Grace]

For one of Ana's friends.

[Commercial Announcer]

It's the same day Ana was reported missing to police.

[Bob Ward]

Good afternoon, it's Brian Walsh. I hope all is going well.

[Tom Ruskin]

I was just.

[Bob Ward]

Just reaching out to basically everybody I could. Anna hasn't been in touch for a few days. Do you know anyone that might have had contact with her? Just, you know, calling everyone. Sorry to bother you. Everything's fine.

[Nancy Grace]

So we do see the husband reaching out to her friends, leaving voicemails for all of them, trying to find out if they had heard from Ana. And joining right now, Julie Lewis, President and CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. @digitalmountain.com Julie, thank you for being with us. Tom Ruskin, the PI points out how much easier it is to check flight records through TSA and even getting subpoenas very quickly or asking the carrier, you know, like Delta to check their records to find out if somebody made a flight. So according to police, she didn't make that flight. But what Julie Lewis about rideshare, Lyft, Uber and all the others digitally, wouldn't that leave a trail if she had taken a rideshare to the airport?

[Julie Lewis]

So you can certainly contact the custodian of records at the Ubers, the Lyft and types of companies that she would have taken a ride share and find out that information with legal due process and see what, you know, what the actual fact pattern is there.

[Nancy Grace]

Well, what about her phone? I mean, most people get their rideshare through their phone app.

[Julie Lewis]

If you have access to her.

[Bob Ward]

Yes.

[Julie Lewis]

If you have access to her phone and you knew the whereabouts of that phone, you would have access to the app. But most that data would be stored in the cloud and pointing up to the Uber application. Not it might not be stored on the local phone. So that's something to consider.

[Nancy Grace]

Got a question for you, Julie Lewis. If we don't have her phone, but we do have her code, say it's like everybody else in America, their birthday or their children's birthday. And we have the code for her phone. Can we get into the icloud that way?

[Julie Lewis]

Typically, you would need the username, you would need a password for the account and you would also, if they have multifactor authentication, turned on the code from.

[Nancy Grace]

The text message a little harder than I thought. But you know what? We're talking about her phone. And where is she? Where Is the husband during all of this? Take a listen to our cut. 35, Lynn Beeland talking.

[Lynn Beeland]

I didn't indicate. On January 1st at 3pm he did some errands and he went to his mother's house in Swampscott, but got lost because he didn't have his phone. He said he knew he was lost when he saw the pirate ship on Route 1. Defendant state stayed 15 minutes, then went to Whole Foods. And CVS surveillance was checked and he did not enter either of those stores.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, Bob Ward, Boston 25 on this. The disappearance of Anna Walsh since the beginning. Saw a pirate ship on Route 1. What? Okay, now, wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait. So he says the husband says he's going to visit his mother, and he gets lost on the way to his mom's home. And when he sees a pirate ship, he knows he's lost, but then goes into Whole Foods and CVS even though he's lost what?

[Bob Ward]

The pirate ship is a landmark up on the Route 1 area.

[Nancy Grace]

There's a.

[Bob Ward]

You know, that area of Swampscape where his mother lives. There are some old landmarks, miniature golf places, restaurants, that sort of thing. And I think that's what it was that he's talking about, was a landmark that he saw that told him where he was. And he said he got lost because he didn't have the GPS on his phone with him because he left it at home.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, Karen Stark, I find that very unusual. I've told my twins is like the wizards and their wands in Harry Potter. You don't go anywhere without it.

[Commercial Announcer]

Why?

[Nancy Grace]

Doesn't make sense to me. He didn't have a cell phone. Especially if he hasn't heard from his wife. Wouldn't you keep your cell phone with you at that time in case she called?

[Julie Lewis]

Well, let's think about this, Nancy. How many people really leave home these days without their phone? It's improbable. I have trouble believing that he accidentally left at home. And he knows that he's being watched, it seems to me. So he intentionally left that phone home. I have no doubt about it. He's the nefarious character. He knows exactly what he's doing.

[Nancy Grace]

In the search for Anna Walsh, local authorities find something very unusual. Take a listen to our cut 40.

[Lynn Beeland]

Data from his phone also tracked his whereabouts on January 3rd. Locations were traveled at 4:26 on January 3rd to an apartment complex in Abington. Surveillance shows the defendant's Volvo as well as a male fitting the defendant's appearance exit a car near the dumpster. He walks to the dumpster carrying a garbage bag. He's leaning and it appears to be heavy as he has to heft it into the dumpster. He walks to the dumpster with a garbage bag and leaves it on full fledged. He hit another complex in abington and at 5:10pm cell phone chose records at another apartment in Brockton. Video shows a party consistent with his appearance and his Volvo. Again, he discarded items in the dumpster.

[Nancy Grace]

Bob Ward joining us from Boston. 25 on his disappearance from the very beginning. I don't have a problem with my husband throwing trash out there in the dumpster outside our house. But when he starts going from one dumpster to the next dumpster to the next dumpster to the next dumpster, all in within a one hour period, that concerns me. And you know who it reminds me of and you're going to know this name very well. Jennifer Doulos, the missing Connecticut mom of five. Remember her husband Fotus Doulos and his mistress? They're going all around town dropping off items and they're caught on surveillance video. Why is it, Bob Ward, maybe you can shed some light on this. Why is it that when a woman goes missing, her husband suddenly turns into a neatnik and he has to throw out the trash?

[Bob Ward]

Good question, Nancy. I think we know the answer to that. And that's the allegation here that the, sadly, that January 3rd incident that you just played, the cut from the dumpsters in the South Shore in Abington and Brockton, what we're going to find out in court, that is when the remains of Anna Walsh are being discarded in those dumpsters. Those dumpsters eventually are brought to an incinerator in the South Shore of Massachusetts. And within an hour of those dumpsters being brought to that incinerator, they're destroyed. Anna Walsh's remains have never been located. And the thought is that they never will be because that's where those bags were brought. The other trash bags that were recovered in this case were brought to the North Shore near that pirate ship that we just talked about. And they were not brought to an incinerator but to a landfill. They were found and it's inside. I don't know if I'm getting ahead of us, but inside those trash bags is where the evidence, the incriminating evidence has been located in this case.

[Nancy Grace]

Bob Ward, could you tell me everything you just said about one more time and very slowly? I think the gist is that very quickly, after husband Brian Walsh visited these various dumpsters, the dumpsters were cleaned out where the Trash was picked up and taken, some to an incinerator and some to the pirate ship. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Hold up. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Karen Stark, have you ever noticed how defendants weave in a tiny bit of truth into their big fat lie? The pirate ship.

[Julie Lewis]

I mean, that's what makes pathological liars so interesting, Nancy, is because it's usually based on a hint of truth, right? Like no smoke without fire. There's a little bit of smoke, but the rest of it they conjure up. And they're very adept at being able to tell a lie that has a little bit of truth in it, but a lot of falsehood.

[Nancy Grace]

I like the verb you used, conjure like a magician or a wizard. Because one moment Anna Walsh is there with witnesses at a New Year's Eve party, and the next moment she's gone. Bob Ward joining me, investigative reporter, Boston 25. Tell me again what you just said.

[Bob Ward]

So on January 3rd, Brian Walsh, according to the prosecutors, is recorded on surveillance trying to dump trash bags into dumpsters in the South Shore of Boston in the towns of Abington and Brockton. The prosecution believes that those trash bags that he was struggling with to get into the dumpsters contained the dismembered remains of his wife on a Walsh. Shortly after he did that, those dumpsters were brought to an incinerator in the South Shore. Within an hour of those trash bags arriving at that incinerator, they were incinerated and converted into electricity. And Anna Walsh's remains have never been found. It's an absolutely horrific and gruesome part of this case. The other half of it is that Brian Walsh did not allegedly did not discard of all the evidence in the case on the South Shore, the allegation is that he took the. His tools, the instruments that he used to dismember his wife's body, along with some of her clothes and belongings, and put them in other trash bags and discarded those things in dumpsters on the North Shore of Boston, near his mother's house, near that pirate ship. Those trash bags have been recovered, and those items are going to be an important part of this case in this trial when it takes place.

[Nancy Grace]

And what do you believe, Bob Ward were in those trash bags in January?

[Bob Ward]

What we were told was that they found a hatchet, a hacksaw. They found a bloody rug. They found Anna's Prada purse. They found the boots that she was seen wearing at that New Year's Eve party. And Nancy, they found her COVID 19 card. It's absolutely stunning. What they found.

[Nancy Grace]

Joining me, former apd, Atlanta Police Department officer and now lawyer. What rank did you get to? Stuttered.

[Bob Ward]

I left as an investigator, Nancy. I was a homicide detective when I left.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay. David, have you ever had a case without a body, a homicide without a body?

[Bob Ward]

Yes, I have.

[Nancy Grace]

Can I just say, that's a tough pill to swallow.

[Bob Ward]

It is, but fortunately, even in those cases. And this guy. Look, you know, as a homicide detective, I would have been looking at this guy immediately, simply based on the fact that his wife gets on an airplane. She's apparently overdue. He hasn't heard from her in three days. Only after he is contacted by her employer does he make an outcry about his wife. That'll. I mean, my wife gets on an airplane, she travels frequently. If I haven't heard from her a few minutes after she's supposed to touch down, I get frantic. I mean, I'm calling every, you know, trying to call her and call her. This guy has done nothing. But he's like a magnet for suspicion. I mean, he's going out, he's talking about this pirate ship, you know, not to mention all of this physical evidence that's located, which to my point is, you know, even the most careful criminals, when they commit these kinds of crimes, it's almost impossible to do it without leaving some sort of forensic physical evidence behind. And this guy has left a mountain of it.

[Nancy Grace]

I mean, could you. Here's another thing. Julie Lewis, I want to circle back to you in just a moment about possible nav systems on his car, but Tom Ruskin joining me. Then I want Karen Stark to weigh in on this as well. Tom Ruskin, guys, private investigator extraordinaire, president of CMP Protective and Investigative Group. Tom, listen, I don't like jewelry. I really don't like fancy clothes. I don't like fancy, fancy cars. But if you were to take, let's just say this little ring right here, this is made of my mother in law's jewelry, okay? It's very thin, it's not bejeweled. But if you were to take that, I would come after you. All right? There are just some things that would matter to me. And I've got a funny feeling this woman would not want her fancy boots and her Prada purse thrown out.

[Tom Ruskin]

No. And it would be weird if she had left and left for a business trip if she didn't take those with her, that they wouldn't be behind in the house and be discoverable. This guy is definitely the prime suspect and probably will be convicted at Trial. The fact of the matter is, to the other gentleman's point, you don't need a body anymore to prove a case.

[Nancy Grace]

It sure helps, though, man. Come on, Ruskin. I mean, yeah, you don't need a body. I'm not gonna give him a gold star for getting rid of the body. And again, he hasn't been proven guilty. We're just hypothesizing on the evidence that we have. But it sure as heck helps if you do have a dead body to prove a murder case.

[Tom Ruskin]

But it also goes against him, because we know that he was in these yards. He was dumping stuff. What is he doing dumping her garbage? What's the matter? His pickups not working at his house?

[Nancy Grace]

Karen, start. He's sitting so right. And Karen, again. I threw this to stutter earlier, I think. But why do guys turn into neatniks as soon as their wives disappear? And again, like Studdard said, and like Ruskin is saying about the trash, it defies the course of normal human conduct. He doesn't check on his wife to see if she landed. Her employer has to call looking for her, and. And then he wants to take out the trash. Fine. Do it at the corner at the end of the driveway or the trash chute in your apartment in Manhattan. But why did he go to five or six different Dumpsters? And could somebody just surprise me once and not throw bloody rags and towels in a dumpster? Do something different.

[Julie Lewis]

What always happens, Nancy? He believes he's not going to get caught. And this looks suspicious. So suspicious. I mean, he gets lost going to his mother.

[Nancy Grace]

He didn't get lost. He's trying to explain his circuitous route from one dump to the next and.

[Julie Lewis]

Also saying that he went to places where they could check, and he did not go.

[Tom Ruskin]

So. Nancy, can I jump in for one sec?

[Nancy Grace]

Yes.

[Tom Ruskin]

I just want to also bring up the fact this is a woman. Let's assume that the husband has nothing to do with her murder. This is a woman who's going to take a flight, supposedly from Boston to Washington on a business trip. Why is her phone off? No one that travels. Myself, my loved ones, my family. When we go to the airport, you shut off your phone once you're on the flight and you turn it on to Mr. Stoddard's point once you land. Why is she becoming all of a sudden surreptitious or becoming covert in her actions, which sort of defies the logic of the husband.

[Nancy Grace]

Tom Ruskin, Private investigator. You're absolutely right. I mean, I don't guess Any of you people on this panel have read don't be a victim, written by, oh, what's that girl's name? Oh, Nancy Grace. You're supposed to, like, take a picture of when you're in the parking deck, which I do, and send to my family. And then when I get on the plane, I take a picture, I'm on the plane, and send to them. You don't even have to write a text or write words, but just let people know where you're going. Jackie, I think I've even sent them to you before. Yes, I have. Okay, guys, that's not the end of it, but I want to ask Julie Lewis something. President and CEO of Digital Mountain, Inc. Julie, what about. I like to just say OnStar as a blanket nav description. Wouldn't his car show everywhere he had been if it were, you know, anything older than 2010?

[Julie Lewis]

So before I jump into that, I just. You were talking about pictures, and there was supposedly a picture she photographed of herself with her wedding ring off and some of her final photos. And so within that picture, there's things called EXIF data that you can look for that potentially could have geolocation information about where she was when the picture was taken.

[Nancy Grace]

See, that is why you're the expert. I didn't even catch that. Julie Lewis.

[Julie Lewis]

So switching gears to the car. You know, the car is a moving computer these days. On most cars with WI fi, it has gps, it has a cell network, all these things that you can use for tracking. So if Brian's car has that in it, law enforcement could have certainly used that information. The other thing that happens in cars is a lot of people sync their phones and so text messages, contacts, you know, browser history, all these things may be on that, on the car. Now, you know, for example, if you rent a car, even that information can be on that. So that's something that's really important to know.

[Nancy Grace]

You mean when you charge your phone in a car, the car can track everything that you have written on your phone during that time.

[Julie Lewis]

It could be thinking, like when you. When you are in an Uber, your playlist, depending on the configuration, it could actually download that. So you don't want to go in some stranger's car rental car and plug it in, because the car infotainment system could be grabbing and capturing some information from your phone.

[Nancy Grace]

Good to know.

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[Nancy Grace]

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The lover also testifies their relationship was hidden from Anna's husband, but it was serious and they were planning to travel abroad together. Anna wanted to tell Brian about the relationship. The two were supposed to have dinner to discuss their Future together on January 4, but he never heard from her. What happened between Christmas and January 4th? Take a listen to our cut 36 this is Lynn Belen talking.

[Lynn Beeland]

On January 1st, offendant googled using his son's iPad. Some of his searches are as far as Keep in mind that the defendant said he left at 6am At 4.55am on January 1, he searched how long before a body starts to smell?

[Nancy Grace]

How long before a body starts to Smell? Okay, keep going.

[Lynn Beeland]

8:00Am how to stop a body from decomposing at 5:20am he searched how to mound about at 5:47am 10 ways to dispose of a dead body if you really need to at 6:25am on the 1st how long for someone to be missing to inherit? At 6:34am on the 1st can you throw away body parts?

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, I think we need Dr. Kendall Crowns chief Medical Examiner, Tarrant County Lecturer, University Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School Dr. Kendall Crowns thank you for being with us. Let me just ask you a couple of these and I'd like to point out also this is food for thought for you. Karen Stark, psychologist on his son's iPad like they don't know how to read the search history. And there's daddy searching how Long before a body starts to search. Smell. How do you stop a body from decomposing? How to get rid of a body. 10 Ways to Dispose of a dead body if you really need to. I'm glad he added tack that on at the end. How long before? How long for someone to be missing to inherit? That's not for you. Crowns. Can you throw away body parts? Okay, I'm starting to agree with Tom Ruskin and David Stutter that you don't really need the dead body to prove that someone is dead. Dr. Kendall crowns. Can you give me some quick answers to those? This is a lightning round for you. How long before a body starts to smell? Dr. Crowns?

[Bob Ward]

Four to 10 days.

[Nancy Grace]

That just rolled off the tip of your tongue. I'm not going to ask why. How do you stop a body from decomposing?

[Bob Ward]

Refrigeration. I mean you look at. It's that guy they found in the iceberg, Otzi the Iceman. He was missing for a thousand years and he's stuck in the iceberg. So really refrigeration is the best way to prevent a body from decomposing.

[Nancy Grace]

10 Ways to Dispose of a dead body if you really need to. That's not a medical question. Let me go to the next medical question. Can you throw away body parts?

[Bob Ward]

You have to, you know, if you don't want the trash man to notice them, put them in dumpsters, like, which was possibly done in this case. And then chop. Dismember the individual into small enough parts that they aren't recognizable as human and then mix them in with other trash. And another good way is to put them in. I think it's like these pool chemicals that can melt the body parts down into kind of a sludge.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, Dr. Kendall Crowns, you're actually Nancy scaring many people that are listening to you right now. Putting it in pool. Wait a minute. Karen Stark. I know you've got something. Dad. Hold on. What did you say about pool cleaner? Dr. Kendallkrans?

[Bob Ward]

There's. There's a certain chemical they use. I believe it's in pool cleaning or something else. I can't think of it off the.

[Tom Ruskin]

Top of my head.

[Bob Ward]

But it'll actually dissolve the dismembered body parts down relatively. It'll dissolve the bone as well and it'll just kind of make this kind of ooze. But then you have to dispose of that.

[Nancy Grace]

I'm glad you're on the right side of the law, Dr. KendallKrans. I really am. But guess what guys, there's more. Take A listen again to lynd beheland.

[Lynn Beeland]

At 9:29am what does formaldehyde do at 9:34am on first? How long does DNA last at 9:59am can identification be made on partial remains at 11:34am? Dismemberment and the best ways to dispose of a body at 11:45. How to clean blood from wooden floor at 11:56 on the first luminol to detect blood at 01:08. What happens when you put body parts in ammonia at 1:21pm? Is it better to throw crime scene clothes away or wash them? Those were on the January 1st.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay guys, just know that while some of these questions are so rudimentary, they are cruel and horrible. And three little boys are left without their mother while this guy is googling. What does formaldehyde do? How long does DNA last? Can an ID be made on partial remains? Dismemberment. Best ways to dispose of a body. What happens when you put body parts in ammonia? Should you throw away crime scene clothes or wash? So to Dr. Kendall Crowns. Lightning round Dr. Crowns. How long does DNA last?

[Bob Ward]

You can find DNA on surfaces for years.

[Nancy Grace]

What does formaldehyde do?

[Bob Ward]

Formaldehyde is a fixative. It's what you use to kind of pickle the organs to keep them preserved for long periods of time.

[Nancy Grace]

What happens when you put body parts in ammonia? Dr. Kendall crowns that one.

[Bob Ward]

I don't know. That's a new one to me. As far as I know, I don't.

[Nancy Grace]

Think it would be stopped. You're out. No, don't go. I've got more. One more quickie from Lynn Beeland. Listen.

[Lynn Beeland]

On January 3rd, that same day at 1:02pm he did some more Google searches. What happens to hair on a dead body at 1:13pm? What is the rate of decomposition of a body found in a plastic bag compared to on a surface in the woods at 1:20pm? Can baking soda mask or make a body smell good?

[Nancy Grace]

Can baking soda make a body, a dead body, smell good? These Google searches have led to a bombshell development in the search for Anna Walsh. Bob ward joining me, Boston 25 News. An indictment. Explain.

[Bob Ward]

He was indicted on three counts. There was murder, misleading investigators and improper disposal of a body. So his case is being moved up from district court to Superior court. Superior Court has the authority, if he is, when he is tried and is found guilty on first degree murder to hold him if he is convicted on first degree murder for life, no parole, which is the maximum sentence Here in Massachusetts, there is no death penalty. In Massachusetts. Nancy, can I just say one thing about the Internet searches? And it's one thing that has just absolutely haunted me. When I go back over this timeline and you realize that there was a New Year's Eve party, that there were three people at this party. It was Brian, Ana, and they had one guest in the house. And that guest left the house somewhere between 12:30 and 1:00 clock in the morning. That first search, how long before a body starts to smell is at 4:55am Anna Walsh was alive at 1:00 clock in the morning, and at 4:55am she's gone and that search is done. And I just think about that, and I think that she's in the house. They also found. We haven't talked about this in the district court arraignment. They said that they found blood in the basement. And they found, I think it was two bloody knives, one broken, bloody knife in the basement and a heavy smell of ammonia in the basement of the house. So, you know, I'm picturing in my mind that her body is there in the basement. He's killed her. And he goes and he finds his kid's iPad and he's doing these searches within a couple of hours of his wife being there, someone that he loved. And this is what he is doing. I had a story, I broke a story about how he threatened to kill her back in 2014. And here he is in the first day of 2023 in the house with her dead body and he. This is. She isn't even cold. And he is already coming up with this plan on what to do with her remains. I, you know, the depravity of this case, I've been doing this for 40 years. And the depravity of this case to me is really just off the charts.

[Nancy Grace]

The three children, the three little boys now, no mom and potentially no dad at home either. Not that it matters. Motive never has to be proven in court. But Bob, why? Why did he do this?

[Bob Ward]

There's another. There's another detail here too, from talking to investigators. The New York Post had this, this picture you all may have seen. And I talked to an investigator about this. There was a champagne, a box of champagne from the party that the New York Post got a picture of. That was. That was dining room table. I went and knocked on the door when, before all this blew up, before everything happened. I was trying to talk to Brian. I didn't, you know, when she was missing and we didn't know what we were getting ourselves into. Really, really early on, and I could see inside, and the Christmas tree was still set up and it was still lit. You could see inside. I didn't see what I'm about to describe to you because the police hadn't done their search yet. So they found a bottle of champagne that was still in its box. And. And the New York Post got a picture of this. And on the side of the box, Anna Walsh had written a note to Brian on New Year's Eve that said, to Brian, we made it through 2022. It was a tough year, but 2023 is going to be a great year. Love you, Anna. And it had hearts written on it. And the investigator that I spoke to said they believe that that was her. Those are her last words to the world. And when I look at. There's another Internet search here from December 27th. They did not describe where the Internet search was found. So they didn't say if it was on the kid's iPad or if it was on a phone or a computer. But all it said was, best date for a divorce for a man. So that's from December 27th, when Honest Alive before the New Year's Eve party. And it makes me wonder if Ana, if this, whatever happened, whatever happened New Year's Eve, if Ana never saw this coming, just came out of the blue, I think, because the story that I broke about the threat that he. She complained back in 2014, before they were engaged, they were just dating. She complained to D.C. police that he threatened to kill her in 2014. I think, and I know investigators think that this is a domestic violence case, and there's an escalation that started then in 2018. There's a selfie picture of her where she's pointing at a bruise on her face. And she said that she walked, she fell at work or something. It's on one of her Instagram accounts. And I think there was an escalation of domestic violence. I don't think the police were ever called, but something happened, was going on behind the scenes. And this is going to be one of the things that I'm going to be watching for, to try to understand what happened here and how this exploded, because you don't. You don't get to this kind of. And this hatred to, you know, I can understand a moment of passion, of murder, you know, a moment of anger, but this dismemberment and this depravity that we see here in these messages that are caught on the iPad. And then what we've been talking about with the disposal of the body. It's almost too much.

[Nancy Grace]

The jury brings down the hammer, finding Brian Walsh guilty in the murder and dismemberment of his wife, 39 year old Anna Walsh, the mother of their three little boys. He gets life without parole. Brian Walsh rot in hell. Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye friend. Have you heard of this new Netflix.

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