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Murder in the Shadow of the White House: Dr. Sunny Slaughter on the D.C. Ambush
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
This is where mindset comes in.
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Someone will be eliminated.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
Pressure is coming down.
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Cheryl McCollum
Y', all, the new year is fast approaching and I am telling you 2026, we got big plans over here at Zone 7. We are going back to once a week releases. Now listen before y' all get upset, Dr. Priya and Josh are going nowhere. What we're going to do is once a month have them with us and it's going to be incredible. But you also have the opportunity to meet them in person in 2026. That's right, honey. We are hitting the road. Zone 7 is teaming up with Body Bags and Crime Stories and we are doing a national tour called the 108 Tour. We're kicking this thing off in Atlanta January 23, 2026, at the original Zone 7, Manuel's Tavern. Lots of good stuff coming up. See y' all in 2026. Doctor Sunny Slaughter, y'.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
All.
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Cheryl McCollum
She is a law enforcement instructor, an expert witness, a TV commentator, and a crisis communication strategist. Let me tell you how important her work is. It centers on emerging threats and crisis ready decision making. This is my favorite thing about her. She turns complexity into clarity. Listen now. Complexity into clarity. And that's what we need tonight. Dr. Slaughter, Sunny, welcome to Zone 7.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
It is such an honor to be on with you. My admiration for you personally and professionally is at 100% plus. Okay? So I am deeply honored to be on with you, to be on Zone seven. I follow you, I listen, and it is an absolute pleasure. And thank you for having me.
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Cheryl McCollum
Are you kidding? Listen, I could take the rest of our time tonight and talk about how I adore you, admire you, want to be more like you. There is so much that you give and show and teach every day. And it's incredible to me how you keep up with all that you do. And it looks flawless every single time, every single time. So I appreciate you.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
That is just by the grace. Okay. You know, from all of your years and this work, that it's not about religion. It is about faith in yourself, belief in the work and the purpose that you have and showing up and to make. Making it look easy. Even though the work is heavy and it can be hard and it is challenging. I think you, someone that I admire, the guests that you've had on and the others that work in this space with us, it is. It is a calling, a very unique calling. And you know, sometimes I always tell people if everybody and anybody could do it, they not, they wouldn't even want to do it because it is a heavy lift to be responsible for showing up and trying to make a difference. And even though you have so many things in your own life going on. So thank you for your service, thank your listening audience for their capacity to continue to go and grow with you. And I'm just deeply honored. As I said earlier, y' all see.
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Cheryl McCollum
Why I love her. I told y'.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
All.
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Cheryl McCollum
And tonight it's so important to me to have you, because two National Guard members were shot November 26th, just after 2 o'.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
Clock.
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Cheryl McCollum
Both were from West Virginia. They were shot at close range, real near the White House. I mean, this was a straight up ambush. It was a straight up targeted murder. And, you know, both in their 20s. I mean, I just couldn't think of anybody better to walk us through this. Let's talk about the crisis. Let's talk about maybe going forward some positive things that could be put in place, some things that need to be put in place. But, you know, I've got a lot of questions for you, but I'm going to let you lead us. So, you know, we know, you know, Sarah Beckstrom was 20. She died. And Andrew Wolfe, 24, is still in critical condition. And the third, you know, soldier that was with them returned fire, but again, was in that battle right there.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
You know, I live in the area. I am. I'm 15 minutes from the White House, a place that I have been numerous times for work, to engage in that area regularly. The same path that they were walking, I have walked. And when I heard about what happened, it was deeply disturbing and to. To understand that these two very young individuals, my four, three of my four adult children are in their 20s. Actually, they're in their mid-20s. And these two very young, very dedicated public servants were gunned down in such a horrific way in the nation's capital. And they were there because they have a calling and had a calling to serve in government, to protect our communities. And it's hard to talk and think of Alcera, who had just been sworn in recently, left her family to come here to protect the community and the people. Here. We are in such a critical crisis at a time when compassion must be high for those that are in uniform, for those who are serving, and for those who choose to protect us because they don't have to.
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Cheryl McCollum
And they don't have to. And let's talk about Sarah for a second. She volunteered to do this tour so that other people with children could go home for Thanksgiving.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
Right? I mean, she's young, she was committed, and she already understood the value of family because that's how she was raised. She believed that others. It was a selfless act and then to. Then the selfishness of an individual. And we still know not why to take such drastic measures. You know, I studied hate crimes and extremism while as an instructor with the U.S. department of Homeland Security Flexi. I was allowed to go and do training that was for sworn law enforcement only. And it was the hate and extremism class, which wasn't just like a class for one day or a class for one week. It was a college course. It was deeply embedded in understanding the actions and the response necessary to address threats, extremism, terrorism, and things like that. Now more than ever, I find that the Work. And the lens of what I was taught in interacting with my classmates is more critical. Now. I've been focused for the last several years on national security issues, traveling around with members of the Senate, members of Congress, and if folks want to know who I travel with, I work with everyone. I don't pick a side. I stay out of the weeds of the politics. And I have no problem at all correcting anyone, including our elected officials, about their language. How insightful and incendiary. And it can be preach all parties, so there is no leftist, no right. And on no aisles, I stroll down the middle on conversations like this and in rooms, I am unafraid. I am unbossed, unbought and very critical that everyone needs to take the temperature down to zero and stop fighting the violence, the political violence, the propaganda which makes people like Sarah and Andrew, those public servants, law enforcement and others, political pawns and puts them in the direct line of fire, which is what happened on that particular day when they were just walking in the community.
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Cheryl McCollum
I loved what you said. You are unbought. You're not afraid. You are not going to just be intimidated. That's what it takes. But you do more than that when you are at that table, the people you're speaking for, I don't even know if they realize you've got somebody calm, intelligent, with a heart. Sonny, because again, you're not just talking about Sarah like, well, there was somebody shot in D.C. no, you're understanding her. You're wanting to, you know, give homage to her parents, the way they raised her to. To let people know, hey, she was putting family first and not her own, but somebody else's. Any job, but especially your job, leading with a heart, a heart for all people is incredible. And that's the only way to break down this hate.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
You know, Sarah and Andrew could be my children. Forget race, forget faith, forget all of the other things that we think matter. They were my children and I say were because Sarah is no longer with us. Andrew could still be my child. He is fighting for his life. The other guardsmen who took fire and tried to protect them and did an excellent job could still be my child. When we take the hate and the lens off, I teach something called lens, language and law. When you take the lens and you turn it in the right direction towards humanity, then we are family, regardless of all of the other factors that may that sometimes people think separate us, and I say think separate us because we focus. There are individuals who focus more, but sometimes we focus too much on those. This incident was so moving to me, I decided to write. I've been writing LinkedIn articles because I, I found from those that, you know, follow me, listen to me, that although I could do a video, it is the writing that allows me to really take a deep dive. And because I've always written and kind of break things down, I am teaching and all of these things become teachable moments. And I want people to have. I write on the laptop or the computer, but I still also write using pen and paper. Old school stuff. We have to move our society past the hate that we are experiencing. It is not about an individual, it's not even about me, but it is about what I am called to do. I realized based on the feedback that I keep getting from folks is that they are learning. People still want to learn. They still want to understand all of the things that are impacting us. And the articles and the writing and the commentary becomes a communication tool for, for better understanding. And when I thought about what happened when all of the other things are happening, it was important to add context and layers and understanding. I am always a law enforcement instructor. So to tie the two together. And I was a military wife, I take all of my experiences and kind of push them out in the work. I am a former military wife, Navy for years, a decade. I come from a family of service members across every branch, going back to my grandfather and my grant and my grandfather's father. A long line that still serves today, National Guards in every capacity, including the Coast Guard. I find it incredibly personal that two young people who have dedicated their life to service could be viciously attacked in the nation's capital, which has a lot of law enforcement in the area. And then you get mixed messaging about whether law enforcement and public safety professionals collaborate, communicate and move forward with the work. While everyone else is talking about politics and policing. And in the profession, those that do the work are just getting it done. Nobody's saying, are you Republican, are you Democrat, are you right on right, talking about, do you pray? How do you worship? That's not the conversations that is going on with those that do the actual work. Whether you're sworn or non sworn, everybody is working towards mission, ready, safety, security, public service and ensuring that our democracy and humanity hold together.
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Cheryl McCollum
What would you tell law enforcement today? What would you tell the next group of soldiers that are headed to D.C.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
And you know, a lot of people.
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Cheryl McCollum
Like to say, well, keep your head on a swivel, watch your six. But really give them something to ponder, to really put into practice, to look out for their fellow person the way that they need to, while looking out for themselves.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
If you have joined the National Guard's law enforcement in any area of public safety, your first priority is to protect and serve and protection and service to your colleagues, to your communities and to the country. And you have to take. No one wants to take this job and take this work on as a job and work when it's really about the calling and your commitment to others. I would tell them focus not on the rhetoric, the chaos and the criticism, but focus on your humanity and your commitment to serve humanity for the greater good of all of us, not just some of us, that you stay true to the mission of your agency, your departments, and to democracy. We are a democracy, no matter how fragile, no matter how challenged, no matter the broken parts. But in this democracy, it is only held up by our individual and collective humanity. That is why we are a democracy, because we believe in the goodness of others and showing goodness to others. Stay the course, stay true to the mission and. And stay true to yourselves and the calling and the reason why you decided to protect others and to serve others. Because I always say, and I'm a woman of faith, but I can also say, Yehemmakala Alhamdulillah it is who we are and how we are that makes the best of everything that is possible in America. We are America and we are American. No matter where you come from. Mission ready, stay focused and understand that you have a purpose in this.
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Cheryl McCollum
You are literally the front line. I mean, you are what's going to stop evil.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
And you are right, they're going to stop all evil, domestic and foreign. That is the calling. The person standing next to them, just like the officer, the guardsman that was there and returned fire because his colleagues were crippled. And there is no war except amongst the demons that are challenging us right now.
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Cheryl McCollum
The way you have crafted the way you see the world is also, to me, a beautiful thing. Because I've told my own children, love wins. And I can give them thousands of examples. Yes, bad things happen, no doubt about it. But you take this one shooter, look how many people are going to respond in a loving, devoted, community type of way. They will. They are going to surround Sarah and Andrew's families and their friends. You're going to have hundreds and hundreds of people that respond correctly and favorably for them. So love wins. But I also love the way you say things like whether or not he worked for the CIA, whether or not he was asking for asylum or had applied for it. You know, whether he came in under Biden and stayed under Trump. None of that matters because that ain't why he did what he did. Now, Sonny, I know you, and I know how you lead again with your heart wide open. Talk a little bit about the power, because I do believe it is powerful to be grateful.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
So I am a woman of faith, and I intentionally interact with people of all faiths and those who practice no faith. And I'm talking about faith and not religion, okay? Because sometimes people get hung up on religion, and I don't want to get hung up on religion. I am someone, and I've been very transparent about my story in my life and the things that I have experienced. Because if I only touch one person, I know one person has been touched. I have been homeless. I have been hungry. I have had to fight for my children. I have had to fight for my life. I've had to fight for systems. And I hate to use the word hate, which I just used, and I hate to use the word fight, but those two words seem to resonate with people because so many people are angry and they're also ungrateful. And as for me, I take all of the things that have impacted me and I find grace in the moment. I find grace in the madness of the things that have happened to me. And I find that I am resilient and stronger. Because if I can, I learned a long time ago, if I continue to carry the hate and being ungrateful, I would never see the message and the lessons and the testimony in all of the things that make me who I am. People have to recognize the smallest part of their lives can be the biggest part that changes other people. And when I say the smallest part, being homeless was not a small issue. And particularly since I was that way for more than a year now. This was over a decade or so ago. But it is when things happen in our lives, we learn to appreciate if we've learned the lesson.
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Cheryl McCollum
There you go. There you go.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
And when things happen in our lives and we have not learned the lesson, we learn to hold on to the hate and hold on to the hate in a way that doesn't change humanity. It only changes who we are. As we show up as individuals in humanity, our trials and tribulations can make us better once we have learned the lesson. When I think about the work of the guardsmen across the country, you may not like it, but they are on assignment and we need to welcome them in our communities as individuals to show our humanity. They are doing the work that they are called to do that they are required to do. And we have to think about that. We have to appreciate their presence in our communities so we can appreciate the humanity in our own existence. And I keep saying humanity because there is a human consciousness that I feel that has been lost with all of the rhetoric, all of the hate speeches, all of the politics and pressure that we don't see one another as human beings and everyone is not good. The person who harmed, hurt, murdered, and changed the course of lives for families across this nation with the shooting of the two guardsmen and the response, that was hate and rage, even though we don't know the exact details. Why? Because those two young people were doing nothing except serving their country. But we can't be hateful as we respond. When you think about the collective response from law enforcement agencies that day and every day, there are things happening behind the scenes that make our world better. Even though there was something that was hateful that happened. Our job is to become better in what we do and who we are. You know, I'm 56. No, I'm 57. Oh, I can't even remember. I'm 57 years old. My son, he came over Monday. He drove down with his girlfriend, and Nate stopped by the house, and he said, you know, you're close to 60. And I was like, whoa. And then I realized My mother died two days after her 49th birthday. That was 27, almost 28 years ago. And when I think about loss, I think about the years that I have lost with her, but I think about how proud she would be because I am living and walking in my purpose. I would say to your audience that, find out who you are and what your purpose is. And that's not a slogan. I know that when I leave this earth, when all is said and done, I just want everyone to say, servant, well done. That's what I. I want to hear it. But I want my children and my children's children, and I want the world and those that have never even met me to say, wow, she. She was on purpose. She was in position on purpose. And serve it. Well done and serve it. When we learn to serve others, then that is a selfless act. When we do harm intentionally, without regret, without remorse, that is a selfish act. And I don't want to be selfish. I don't have time to be selfish when I am called to serve. And in each of our own ways, we are called to serve in some form or fashion. And I'm not talking religion. And this doesn't even have to be about faith, but for the greater good of humanity, for those that we don't know. When I get a message, just like I know you get these messages regularly when someone that you don't know, that you've never met, says, you know, you changed my life, you inspire me. And, and when I'm going through tough times, and we all go through tough times, you know, Martin Luther King said, there are difficult days ahead, so we should be prepared for the difficult days ahead. And we are in difficult days. We are in difficult times. But that does not stop the humanity that must come out and be shown to others. The teachable moments, the work that you do, the work that I do, the things that happen behind the scenes, just like in this recording, just like in this episode, there is someone behind the scenes that no one knows that is making this happen. Because everything can't be out in front. Everyone can't be out in front. But there are people working to make a difference.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
This is where mindset comes in.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
Pressure is coming down.
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Cheryl McCollum
Well, you know, you said there are difficult days ahead, and you said planning, planning. And no matter the outcome, be grateful. So I thought I'd tell you something funny. Walt and I had a buddy, Robert, and he was starting a business, and you know how that is. He was going to put everything he had in it. He had, you know, put way too much of his savings, his life savings in it. But he believed in what he was doing. So we saw him, like, a week after the launch of this business. He had the most gorgeous at the time to us, a huge suv. It was like the biggest car I'd ever seen. It almost looked like one of those Secret Service type cars. You know what I'm talking about? Those big black sleeves. It was huge.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
Love it.
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Cheryl McCollum
And I'm like, honey, this business has only been rolling for a week. He must be doing great. He went, no, no, no, Mac. He said, listen, just in case I lose everything, I gotta live in it. So I made it nice.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
Look.
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Cheryl McCollum
And I thought, that is. That is planning. That is glass half full. I loved everything about it. He's doing great today. Just to let the audience know, he was very successful in what he did. But I remembered that because I thought, that's the funniest thing I've ever heard. But he was dead serious, you know.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
And I understand that because, you know, during my time where I was homeless and then also in transition, I had a vehicle. I slept in my vehicle. I drove around in Alabama, you know, trying to find a place where I had enough light so when I was sleeping in my car, I couldn't be attacked. But you have to have a plan.
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Cheryl McCollum
I have a plan.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
Your friend had a plan.
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Cheryl McCollum
He had a plan.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
And Look. And those big SUVs, they are really nice and comfortable. They are nice. Yep. Yep.
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Cheryl McCollum
That third seat was a bed. Yes, ma'. Am.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
It was great. People don't think about, you know, he. He. I'm sure he already said, I can put this much food in there, and I can have my clothes in here, and I could be rich. But there is a reality to what he said and a reality to what I've been saying about my own previous circumstance and reality to what others are experiencing in this moment. That a plan is important, and continuous planning is even more important. We can never get too caught up that everything is well, that something can happen and change in an instant, which is what happened with the Garcia. Things happen quickly, and our lives can change in an instant. It can be a phone call that says someone that you love is hurt, that someone that you love is gone. You need to come to the hospital. You need to come to the school. You need to. They need support. They need services. We are living in times where planning, preparation, and purposeful understanding is really needed. When you talked earlier about people being so angry, Cheryl, you know, we can go. You and I, we do true crime. We study it. And the cases. People sometimes want me to talk about one thing, and they want to point out a particular case. I said, do you know how many cases and things happen in one day that I'm looking at that you don't even see?
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Cheryl McCollum
That's right. That's right.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
This is. This work means. I am constantly seeing something pop up on a screen that is critical, that is dangerous, and that changed lives and that impact other people that I know. Just like the recent shooting in Florida involving the police officer, the locksmith, and those that were getting evicted, and she lost her life doing her job. The locksmith lost his life doing his job. And the person that was getting evicted, they didn't want to leave. And it turned into a crisis and a tragedy that no one saw coming. And I talked to her colleague this morning because I'm a Florida law enforcement instructor and her captain, her leadership, well, they were my student, and she's broken and heartbroken, and things happen quickly. And preparation. We have to prepare for the expected and be ready and planning for the unexpected.
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Cheryl McCollum
Dr. Slaughter, Sunny, I appreciate you so much. This has been insightful and. And uplifting. And that's the thing that I love about our Zone 7 community. Sometimes these tough cases. Talking about Sarah and Andrew, it does have an uplifting part. They did not go at this job. They had halfway. We should not honor them. Halfway we should be just as committed to talk about them, to lift them up, to honor them. And that's what you've done tonight. And thank you for that.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
I am deeply honored, more than I could say to you for asking me to your audience, for them following this program and for them learning. Because these are the teachable moments in this platform that you have developed. Zone 7. My, my, my. To the Zone 7 audience, thank you. Because the work would be for not if it wasn't for all of you tuning in to listen to those that pour their hearts and their purpose into everyday things, that they do that, that, you know, they couldn't do it if, If. If the audience didn't show up, if you all weren't ready to listen and to. And to partake. You know, this is nourishment. What you have created is nourishment for the soul. Mind, body and soul. Thank you. Thank you to your behind the scenes team for how they show up and pull everything together, make it look flawless. Because, you know, we couldn't do this if we didn't make you look flawless.
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Cheryl McCollum
Thank you, Max.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
You know, I was struggling.
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Cheryl McCollum
That's the truth.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
Truth. But Max was so calm. I was. I was on edge. Max was really calm.
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Cheryl McCollum
He's always calm. He's always even, no matter what I'm throwing at him. And usually it's chaos, but he is, I'm telling you, he is just masterful at what he does. But, you know, again, I. I can't thank you enough. You are also that calming, resourceful. Just, you know, there's those people that you can call and, you know, after the phone call, it's going to be better. It's going to be all right. And that's how I feel talking to you. And listen, y', all, she's coming back because she and I have got to talk about Jekyll island because she was down there in flexi and I know we know some people in common. So she'll have to come back and we'll tell some good stories because that's one of my favorite places on Earth and some of my favorite people. So, Dr. Sunny Slaughter, thank you. Thank you.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
Thank you so much, my friend, my colleague, my admiration for you. Brun. Steep. Let me tell you, I was so giddy when you reached out, I was like, oh, my gosh. Oh, look. And I was hoping that I was gonna be good. So please invite me back.
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Cheryl McCollum
Oh, you're coming back. Don't you worry about that at all.
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Dr. Sunny Slaughter
Thank you. It's been an honor. It's been a pleasure and I'm grateful for all that you do to make a difference in the lives of others. Your humanity shows every single day and you are making a difference to me and to so many others. Thank you again y'.
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Cheryl McCollum
All. I'm gonna end Zone 7 the way that I always do, with a quote. Terrorism is the tactic of demanding the impossible while demanding it at gunpoint. Christopher HITCHINSON I'm Cheryl McCollum and this is Zone 7.
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