NO REMORSE, STONE-FACED NICK REINER, "SLIT PARENTS' THROATS," ROB, MICHELLE REINER MURDERED

Summary

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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode: NO REMORSE, STONE-FACED NICK REINER, "SLIT PARENTS' THROATS," ROB, MICHELLE REINER MURDERED
Date: December 18, 2025

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Episode Overview

Nancy Grace leads an intense discussion about the shocking murders of Hollywood legend Rob Reiner and his wife, Michelle Singer Reiner. Their son, Nick Reiner, stands accused of slitting their throats in their sleep. The episode examines his behavior in court, possible motives, and the legal implications, while shedding light on the family’s internal struggles with Nick’s history of drug abuse and mental health issues.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Crime and Immediate Aftermath

• Brutality of the Murder

  • Rob and Michelle Reiner were found murdered in their bedroom, throats slit, with multiple sharp force injuries.
  • Blood was everywhere at the scene. ([03:32])
  • Police found no other victims or suspects in the home. ([36:53])

• Suspect's Behavior

  • Nick Reiner, 32, appeared in court "completely stone faced, no remorse whatsoever," uttering only "Yes, your honor." ([05:17])
  • He was shackled, wore a suicide vest, and showed zero emotion during proceedings.

• Aftermath Activities

  • After the murders, Nick was seen leaving the family home, changing into fresh clothes, and appearing at a gas station before checking into a luxury hotel under his real name.
  • Surveillance showed him acting methodically, cleaning himself, and discarding evidence, actions which Grace and others argue make a mental defect defense unlikely. ([25:47])

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2. Legal Analysis and Defense Strategy

• Attorney Alan Jackson’s Tactics

  • Jackson requested a continuance, citing “very, very complex and serious issues” with the case.
  • Grace quips: “In other words, how am I going to get paid and what in the hay am I going to tell a jury? My client was covered in his parents blood. He acted normally. There goes the mental defense.” ([04:16])

• Delay of Plea and Possible Competency Claims

  • Defense attorney Troy Slayton explains that delaying the plea allows for time to review the evidence and possibly raise competency doubts, common practice in LA courts. ([06:37], [08:36])
  • Grace challenges the strategy as “standard operating strategy. We’re being played... But that is not going to deter anyone from seeking justice.” ([08:47])

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3. Nick Reiner’s Mental Health and Family Dynamics

• Mental Health and Substance Abuse

  • Family friend Heather Michaels reflects on Nick’s long history of mental health issues, possibly bipolar with elements of schizophrenia, alongside years of drug abuse.
  • However, Nancy Grace presses for clarity and no formal diagnosis is confirmed, only "mental health challenges." ([12:32]–[16:16])
  • Michaels: “He was functioning, but he struggled with a lot... They may be on some medication for some time... a lot of times they go off the medication, then they experiment with various drugs.” ([14:04])

• Social Behavior

  • Discussions and sample audio reveal Nick’s odd, sometimes disturbing humor and statements, both in online videos and in podcasts.
  • Example: “I drink Snapple because when I'm done, I can go in my room and squirt lotion in it and then use it to stick my… in. Sometimes I just come out to gather my... sick thoughts.” (Nick Reiner, [18:40], [20:45])

• Relationship with Family

  • The Reiners reportedly provided both emotional and financial support despite Nick's troubles: “They did nothing wrong. They did everything they could to help him.” (Heather Michaels, [49:40])
  • Karen Stark, forensic psychologist: “He clearly had a hostile dependency relationship with his parents. He needed them, but he didn’t want to need them… growing anger.” ([31:56])

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4. Motives, Special Circumstances, and the Death Penalty

• Possible Motives

  • Speculation revolves around resentment, financial dependency, and unresolved personal issues.
  • Nancy Grace: “It seems to me that Nick Reiner had everything handed to him… I don’t understand his hatred toward his parents. Blaming them for what?” ([24:12])

• Special Circumstances — Legal Ramifications

  • District Attorney charged Nick Reiner with two counts of murder with special circumstances (multiple murders and use of a weapon), allowing eligibility for the death penalty if moratorium is lifted in California. ([38:20])
  • Discussion about inheritance laws: If found guilty or not guilty by reason of insanity (NGBRI), the "Slayer Act" may prevent him from inheriting, though if NGBRI, legal loopholes could allow it. ([39:23]–[41:01])

• Lying in Wait

  • Joseph Scott Morgan, forensic investigator, highlights how the attack was likely planned, with Nick waiting until his parents were asleep: “This goes to an idea that whoever did this would have familiarity with the habits of the victims… you have to be able to take advantage of the darkness.” ([42:43])

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5. Analysis of Evidence and Forensic Insights

• Cause of Death

  • Official COD: “Multiple sharp force injuries,” interpreted by Jacqueline Roth as likely the result of throat slitting. ([29:10])
  • Joseph Scott Morgan: The presence of other stab wounds and possible blunt force trauma point to a “frenzied attack, driven by rage… It’s the most personal of types of attack." ([34:17])

• Behavioral Evidence Against Mental Defect

  • Reiner’s post-murder rationality (changing clothes, leaving the scene, checking into a hotel, cleaning up) is described by Grace as evidence he was not in a psychotic state. ([25:47])

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6. Family’s Attempts to Intervene — A Pattern of Enabling?

• Prior Support and Interventions

  • Multiple failed rehab attempts and ultimatums (rehab, jail, or street) documented.
  • Rob and Nick Reiner co-wrote a semi-autobiographical movie, “Being Charlie,” chronicling Nick’s substance abuse struggles, described as both an effort to help others and possibly a source of resentment. ([50:08])

• Parental Blindness and Hope

  • Grace and experts discuss how parents often “desperately want to believe” their child is better, even when reality suggests decline. Rob Reiner recently claimed Nick was clean for 6 years, contradicted by reports of his deterioration. ([47:14])

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7. Public Reaction and Victim Blaming

• Online Commentary and Stigma
  • Michaels and Grace call out the wave of online speculation and victim-blaming: “The comments are disgraceful. They’re despicable. But everybody’s got an opinion now.” (Heather Michaels, [49:40])
  • Grace scathingly refutes any narrative that the Reiners were bad parents or “deserved” this outcome.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Nancy Grace on defense strategy:

  “How am I going to get paid and what in the hay am I going to tell a jury? My client was covered in his parents blood. He acted normally. There goes the mental defense.” ([04:16])

• Jacqueline Roth on Nick's courtroom demeanor:

  “He only said three words: 'Yes, your honor.' … That’s all he has to say to everyone out there. It’s very, very concerning.” ([05:17])

• Heather Michaels on Nick Reiner’s mental health:

  “He was functioning, but he struggled with a lot… Sometimes I would see a fairly balanced child, but then there were times when some things that he said were just like, socially awkward, you know, a little odd.” ([14:04], [16:27])

• Forensic insight (Joseph Scott Morgan):

  “This is an anger filled, frenzied attack… It’s the most personal of types of attack that you can possibly have in my field.” ([34:17])

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Important Segment Timestamps

• Crime Recap & Legal Context: [02:39]–[05:17]
• Panel Analysis / Defense Strategy: [05:51]–[08:47]
• Family Perspective & Mental Health: [09:23]–[18:19]
• Nick Reiner’s Disturbing Humor (audio): [18:38], [20:45]
• Gas Station Video / Evidence: [25:47], [29:10]
• Expert Forensic Analysis: [32:43]–[36:53]
• Special Circumstances/Death Penalty Law: [37:28]–[43:39]
• Rob Reiner’s Recent Comments on Son: [46:23]
• Discussion of "Being Charlie": [50:08]–[53:30]
• Public Reaction & Blame: [48:08], [49:40]

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Conclusion

This episode paints a grim portrait of a high-profile Hollywood family tragedy. Nick Reiner’s stone-faced court appearance, absence of remorse, and erratic yet calculating post-crime behavior lead Nancy Grace and her expert panel to question the credibility of any insanity defense. The conversation skillfully weaves together forensics, family testimony, and legal insight, unsparingly assessing the Reiners’ efforts to help their troubled son, and powerfully pushing back on any suggestion that the parents are to blame.

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For ongoing updates and to provide information, the public is encouraged to contact authorities as the case develops.

Transcript

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See mintmobile.com crime stories with Nancy Grace. No remorse. No remorse whatsoever. Nick Reiner stone faced in court in the last hours, uttering only three words in front of the judge. This as the suspect is facing claims he slit his parents throats in their sleep. Rob Reiner, his wife Michelle Singer Reiner murdered. I'm Nancy Grace. This is CRIME stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Brutal murder of Hollywood legend Rob Reiner and his wife Michelle. It was a horrific scene.

[Jacqueline Roth]

There was blood everywhere.

[Nancy Grace]

Slaughtered in their own home. Swooping in is high profile lawyer Alan Jackson who has represented the likes of Karen Reed, Harvey, Harvey Weinstein, so many others. And this is what he has to say.

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There are very, very complex and serious.

[Nancy Grace]

Issues that are associated with this case.

[Commercial Announcer]

Those need to be thoroughly but very.

[Nancy Grace]

Carefully dealt with and examined and looked at and analyzed. This was a continuance of arraignment. Nothing happened today substantively.

[Commercial Announcer]

We'll be back for an arraignment in the Same department on the 7th of January.

[Nancy Grace]

We'll see you then.

[Heather Michaels]

Happy New Year.

[Nancy Grace]

I'm going to analyze that. That's from our friends at FOX News. Joining me in all star panel. He says there are very, very complex, serious issues associated with this case. In other words, how am I going to get paid and what in the hay am I going to tell a jury? My client was covered in his parents blood. He acted normally. There goes the mental defense. Those are the complex issues Alan Jackson is thinking about tonight. Very complex, serious issues associated with this case. Those need to be thoroughly but very carefully dealt with and examined and looked at and analyzed. This was a continuance of an arraignment. Nothing happened today. A lot happened. A lot happened. Joining me, Jacqueline Roth, editor in chief, OK Magazine. Jacqueline, thank you so much for being with us. Nick Reiner in court, completely stone faced, no remorse whatsoever. What happened?

[Jacqueline Roth]

He only said three words. Yes, your honor, which is really frightening. I mean, you know, he allegedly just killed his parents and that's all he has to say to everyone out there. It's very, very concerning. And obviously all the drug stuff that's come out about him and all these things are now catching up with him. We've now seen old videos of him, you know, saying all these things, get me out of jail and bail me out. All this money he's been using from his parents. It's super, super frightening and scary. You know, what was really going on behind the scenes? We have no idea. But obviously something Bigger than anyone could have ever imagined.

[Nancy Grace]

We are talking about the developments in the last hours. Nick Reiner in court, making a first appearance. And during that appearance, he doesn't plead guilty. He doesn't plead not guilty. Troy Slayton joining us, high profile lawyer out of this jurisdiction, la. He's a veteran criminal defense attorney with Slayton Lawy. Troy Slayton, thank you for being with us tonight. He can't say not guilty, you, Honor. I mean, why the drama? Why the suspense? Is this somehow just stirring the pot of mental defect on behalf of Nick Reiner? Which, of course, is not going to work because voluntary use of drugs and alcohol is not a defense. So why not end replea. Is he pulling a co Burger?

[Troy Slayton]

Absolutely not. Nancy. This is a very common thing that happens every single day in the criminal courts building in Los Angeles. He waived time for his arraignment. He's entitled to have an arraignment in two days. But people all the time waive time for arraignment and put it over to another date. This way. This way, his attorney can, when he comes in on January 7, likely declare a doubt as to his competency and in the meantime, can have him evaluated by multiple.

[Nancy Grace]

He's waiting to see if his check clears.

[Troy Slayton]

No, he's waiting to see a copy of the discovery, the initial packet from the. From the DA so that way he can start to wrap his head around what type of evidence the government has.

[Nancy Grace]

Troy, he has to see what the state's got on him before he can say, I didn't do this. If he were innocent, wouldn't he say, not guilty? I would never murder my parents.

[Troy Slayton]

Nancy, there's a strategic reason, because once you enter the plea of not guilty, then a certain timeline starts for a preliminary hearing, because then the court starts pressing to have the preliminary state on the hearing fetally.

[Nancy Grace]

Troy, do not try and mislead the viewers. The timeline that you are talking about, that really means nothing, because the defense can ask for delay, delay, delay, delay, and get it. So the only thing that would legally be triggered is if the defense, oh, I'm hearing a buzzing in my ear. Oh, it's Troy Sladen. The only thing that is a firm deadline is if the defense files a demand for speedy trial. Cases can go years without being tried. So that's not accurate. This is, as you said correctly, tactic.

[Troy Slayton]

Absolutely. And it happens every single day in court. This is not a new thing with this case. It happens in criminal cases every single day here in Los Angeles.

[Nancy Grace]

It's standard operating strategy. We're being played. We all know we're being played. But that is not going to deter anyone from seeking justice. Guys, Shedding Insight on the family dynamic is a very special guest now. She is an investigative reporter and she is a producer and advocate. Heather Michaels is also a Reiner family friend. She is a neighbor. Heather, thank you for being with us.

[Heather Michaels]

Thank you. Nancy.

[Nancy Grace]

What do you recall happened following the discovery of Michelle and Rob's bodies?

[Heather Michaels]

We all saw this unfold in real time. You know, I. The tragedy of this really is the main focus and the lives of Rob and Michelle and how wonderful and kind and genuine they were. Nick has struggled with mental health issues. He has struggled with experimenting with drugs and being on and off Mets. That's no secret. I think that he also was broken in a lot of ways. I, like you, am very disturbed by what we saw yesterday unfold and the stone face reaction to the death of his parents, the brutal alleged murder by him, of, of his parents, of his own parents. It's just, it's heartbreaking. It's just devastating. You know, I'm trying to come from a place of love and empathy, but this is just something that's shocking to the communities, to our families, to the entertainment world. You know, it just, it's. There are really are no words. And I appreciate everything you said because you really nailed it. And that, you know, cannot be ignored either.

[Nancy Grace]

Heather Michaels is joining us. She is an investigative reporter, she is a producer, an advocate. But tonight she's here as a neighbor and a friend of the Reiner family. Heather, I had the opportunity, the privilege of getting to meet Rob Reiner. He was so kind to me and he had absolutely no reason he should have been or needed to and actually knew my name. I was stunned. And at first when I heard someone say Nancy and I turned around, I actually thought it was Carl Reiner when I looked up at him. But of course that was impossible. And then I realized it was Rob Reiner and was just overwhelmed that someone like him would know someone like me's first name and be familiar with what was happening during Dancing with the Stars. And it struck me how he would be familiar with other people and kind to other people when he really didn't need to. Heather, you mentioned that Nick Reiner now being held behind bars in the murders of both of his parents, Rob and Michelle battled not only drug addiction, but mental health issues. What I'm not familiar with him ever being diagnosed with a mental health issue other than being whacked out on drugs.

[Heather Michaels]

So that is the severe Underlying issue is, you know, it's a mix of, like a bipolar and maybe a small amount of schizophrenia. He struggled with mental health issues most of his life. And unfortunately, you know, this is not uncommon. This is something that it could have been actually one of five families, famous families, that have children with mental health issues. And so that is another, you know, place of where something needs to be addressed there. But this is something that then became such a tragedy. And, you know, for somebody like him to, you know, just snap like that and then brutally murder your parents when they are sleeping. They were sleeping. You know, this was after that party. And, you know, it's. It's just unthinkable. It's unfathomable.

[Nancy Grace]

It's very hard for me to take in Heather. My mom lives with us. She just turned 94 this past weekend. And I go in all during the night to check on her, and I see her lying there asleep. The thought of taking a knife and slitting her throat is physically repulsive to me. You stated that you believe Nick Reiner was bipolar, possibly schizophrenic. Do you know he had been diagnosed with that, or is that your educated guess, observing him?

[Heather Michaels]

There was some level of diagnosis, and it was. He was, I would say, a functioning, you know, child with mental health challenges. You know, as, you know, there's various levels, so he was functioning, but he struggled with a lot. And, you know, they may. Some of these kids may be on some medication for some time. A lot of times they go off the medication, then they experiment with various drugs. I'm sure you heard that he was, you know, sort of homeless at various times. He had open access to the home, but sometimes they. These kids that are struggling just end up going on the street. So this is something. He had something.

[Nancy Grace]

But, Heather, did he have a formal diagnosis? Because nowhere in any documents or commentary have I heard he was actually diagnosed bipolar or diagnosed schizophrenic. I repeatedly am hearing from multiple sources that years and years of drug abuse had left him addled, that that was the source of his mental health problems.

[Heather Michaels]

From what I am told, it's a combination. And like I said, he was a functioning individual with mental health challenges. And a lot of times they do then lean on various drugs. I'm sure you heard the podcast.

[Nancy Grace]

So there was no formal diagnosis. Did the Reiners.

[Heather Michaels]

There likely was. This is something that was discussed from time to time, but it was kept private, you know, on, like I said.

[Nancy Grace]

So they told you he was bipolar or schizophrenic?

[Heather Michaels]

There was discussion of mental health challenges and that that could be an underlying factor.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, so I'm taking that as a no formal diagnosis of bipolar or schizophrenic. But they discussed mental health challenges?

[Heather Michaels]

Absolutely. Yes.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay. Okay. When you would observe Nick Reiner, what did you see?

[Heather Michaels]

Sometimes I would see a, you know, fairly balanced child. But then there were times when some things that he said were just like, socially awkward, you know, a little odd. And I've known other families in the industry with children with mental health issues and on the higher spectrum, you know, he struggled with those issues and then also just feeling a little awkward, never really finding his place, you know, but he was, he was talented in some ways and he had the deep love and respect and compassion from Rob and Michelle. You know, they were very supportive of all of their children. He was the one, though, that just was a little less balanced than the others.

[Nancy Grace]

You refer to him as a child. He's 32 years old.

[Heather Michaels]

I know a lot of times when there's a mental health aspect like this, you know, they just don't really evolve. And I. It's been so emotional the last couple days. They keep playing over and over and over again that podcast that he spoke on. And candidly, I just feel like that was very telling of his personality at this time. And I know that was over 10 years ago, but this is a kid. I'm going to keep calling him a kid. That is fairly broken. But the tragedy of then taking it that much further, and whether it was an argument or what, you killed your parents in cold blood. He murdered his parents. And we allegedly. And we can't get past that. That is a tragedy all the way around. And it just. It's just unfathomable.

[Nancy Grace]

Joining us is Heather Michaels, not only investigative reporter, producer, but tonight here on behalf of the Reiner family, she is describing Nick Reiner, now charged in both of his parents murders. Let's hear it from the horse's mouth.

[Heather Michaels]

Why do you like Snapple so much?

[Nick Reiner]

Mainly because when I'm done drinking it, I can go in my room and squirt lotion in it and then use it to stick my in. Sometimes I just come out to gather my. My sick thoughts.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, we're close to making a.

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Deal that will of course make him.

[Joseph Scott Morgan]

The worldwide star that he deserves to.

[Nick Reiner]

Be.50 million on the line. And they were like practically just the whole time.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, yeah, now I see what you're saying. Heather Michaels, about socially awkward statements. Sidney Sumner joining us, investigative reporter, crime stories. Sidney, what we were just Playing, I believe, was him acting in a different Persona or was that really him? You know, Nancy, it's a little bit hard to tell.

[Heather Michaels]

There's not a lot of context associated.

[Nancy Grace]

With this YouTube video.

[Heather Michaels]

This was posted to Nick Reiner's YouTube in 2016.

[Nancy Grace]

The title is D D David. So I think what's happening here is.

[Heather Michaels]

That Reiner is portraying a Bubba Gump.

[Nancy Grace]

Esque rapper by that name. And this is some kind of skit with his friends.

[Heather Michaels]

I thought he's maybe making fun of his dad's movie, Spinal Tap, which was kind of a similar mockumentary about fake rock stars.

[Nancy Grace]

Sydney, can I just ask you a very harsh question? Are you just spinning out here? Are you extrapolating? Are you saying you want to believe in he's portraying a rapper? Because you want to think that. You don't want to think that. Nick Reiner says, I drink Snapple because I go home, I squirt lotion in it and stick my in it. Yeah, I don't want to think that. Well, that might be part of it. Okay, so you are projecting that nobody in their right mind would say that. Okay, let's take another look at Nick Reiner.

[Heather Michaels]

Why do you like Snapple so much?

[Nick Reiner]

Mainly because when I'm done drinking it, I can go in my room and squirt lotion in it and then use it to stick my in. Sometimes I just come out to gather my sick thoughts.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, we're close to making a.

[Commercial Announcer]

Deal that will of course make him.

[Joseph Scott Morgan]

The worldwide store that he deserves to.

[Nick Reiner]

Be.50 million on the line, and they were like practically just the whole time.

[Nancy Grace]

So let me understand under Sidney Sumner's would be theory that it's just another white boy out of Brentwood living in his dad's multimillion dollar pool house portraying a rapper. Okay, more of Nick Reiner from the horse's mouth. I guess it could have been pretty awkward when PETA approached you about joining their team.

[Nick Reiner]

I'm gonna go kill that.

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[Nick Reiner]

No, I have a famous dad and a famous grandpa and they are. They sort of, you know, that fame sort of informs who you are. So I wanted to etch out my own identity with a more rebellious, angry, drug addicted sort of Persona.

[Heather Michaels]

What?

[Nancy Grace]

That's from Inside out podcast with Paul Mercurio. Did I just hear him say I have a famous dad and a famous grandpa and they, you know, fame informs who you are. Are they? Is he blaming his father, Rob Reiner?

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[Heather Michaels]

You know there's a lot of theories just in general in the entertainment industry when you have children that are under the, you know, that have famous parents, it's challenging in itself. But this does not reflect, reflect on Rob and Michelle because they love their children unconditionally. They with compassion, genuine intention, so supportive of him. You know, it's what you see time and time again. I think that this is just a child, I'm going to say a child again that he, he struggled with not just the difficulties of having very famous parents but some of the mental health issues that he struggled with. The drug abuse that absolutely impacted his personality.

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[Nancy Grace]

The son of Rob Reiner and wife Michelle Singer Reiner in court wearing a suicide vest, shackled hand and foot, no remorse at all. His high priced lawyer Alan Jackson says this case is very complex. He asked for a continuance, he got one and I'm sure during this time he's going to make sure that check is good. He is a very high profile lawyer and he has gotten results. By the way, you saw the Karen Reid trial outcome he defended Harvey Weinstein is a total positive. He defended Kevin Spacey and got a good outcome on that and many, many more. What card is up his sleeve in this case? We are told that Nick Reiner was covered in his parents blood. Had the wherewithal to leave the scene, pack new fresh clothes. Let's see the video of him in a gas station. Goes to a nearby hotel, not cheap I might add, pretty nice. Checks in, uses his own name. There he is in completely clean clothes. He packed fresh nappies. Goes in, goes to the refrigerated area of the store, gets a drink, goes in line, waits patiently, pays for it. Seemingly completely in control. But the hotel finds blood. A trail of blood from the bed, across the floor to the shower where he cleaned up, washed his hair, cleaned the blood out from under his fingernails and went to go get himself a drink. That video from our friends at CBS News. Good luck. Arguing mental defect. After that video he also had the wherewithal to black out the windows of the hotel with sheets. Now who to thunk? He did cunning cunning. In the last hours, we also learned the official COD cause of death. Joining us, Jacqueline Roth, editor in chief, OK Magazine. Jacqueline, thank you for being with us tonight. What is the official cause of death?

[Jacqueline Roth]

The official COD is multiple sharp force injuries, AKA likely that the knife slit their throat, unfortunately, which is so tragic. He, as you saw in that video, he obviously was looking around, you know, looking kind of, you know, haunted. And, you know, it's a very haunting video in general. But as you said, all his clothes were clean. The hotel afterwards full of blood, housekeeping, all of that, found that, you know, it's, it's unthinkable that he could commit something like that and act totally I mean, I wouldn't say it was normal, but could act like that after that.

[Nancy Grace]

Can I say Jacqueline Roth, please? Jacqueline Roth, I'd like you to review the gas station video again. Could I see that control room very quickly? The gas station video. You say he looks haunted to me. He looks thirsty. He doesn't look haunted. He's going looking around. I see no signs of a haunting. He is. There you go. There's that diet Dr. Pepper and he goes and pays for it. How are you divining from the video from our friends at Sin. There you go. From CBS News that he was haunted.

[Jacqueline Roth]

It's slightly chilling. I mean, look at the way that he's turning and stuff like that. You know, in that video you can kind of see he's kind of, I don't know, it feels as though there's like an eerie presence there. Definitely, you know, a little unfazed for sure. But I do think that there is a sense of oddness, weirdness. He's obviously, you know, I mean, something obviously, I think just happened. And he looks a little bit, you know, cautious. He's looking over his shoulder. So I do think that there is sort of a sense of a haunting to it. I do think it is obviously very weird and he is a little unfazed as he's looking.

[Nancy Grace]

JACQUELINE that's true. He's looking for the refrigerated aisle. To Karen Stark, joining me, forensic psychologist, renowned TV and radio advocate. She's an expert, she is a consultant. And you can find her@karen stark.com Karen Stark, he doesn't look haunted to me. I think that's certainly open to interpretation. To me, he looks like he's looking for the refrigerated area to find his favorite drink that he's paying for, probably with a credit card that's sent to his mom and dad.

[Karen Stark]

Oh, without a doubt. NANCY because they took such good care of him and I don't know where it's coming from that they might not have been good parents because I think that they were actually excellent parents. When it comes to mental health, it's almost impossible to know what to do with your child. It's a terrible situation. I want to add that this kind of drug abuse for so many years affect the prefrontal cortex of the brain, which means executive functioning. In other words, he did not make the decisions.

[Heather Michaels]

He's impulsive.

[Karen Stark]

He clearly had a hostile dependency relationship with his parents. He needed them, but he didn't want to need them because he was 32 years old. He felt inferior. There's so much evidence that points to that and there was growing anger. He messed up their guest house. That's been reported repeatedly and his sister was afraid of him. And a neighbor talked about violent tendencies. And so I think these parents really were trying very hard to do their best and did not intentionally ignore these symptoms. It's very hard know what's going on with this type of son child.

[Nancy Grace]

Karen Stark well put and that is why you're a renowned TV radio trauma expert. Jo Scott Morgan, Joining us now, Joseph Scott Morgan is professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University. He is the author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. He is the star of a hit new podcast Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan. But for my purposes, he is a death investigator who has investigated thousands over 10,000 death scenes to determine one of just a handful of manners of death. There's a difference between cod, cause of death and manner of death. Manner of death can only be accidental suicide, natural causes such as heart attack or stroke, unexplained or homicide. Those are your choices. Jo Scott, thank you for being with us tonight. Jo Scott Morgan, could you explain what Jacqueline Roth from OK Magazine just reported as the official COD because Joe Scott, I got a problem. It's bad enough that their throats were slit in their sleep, which leads me to a special circumstance the DA hasn't included lying in wait. But also there were other stab wounds. Joe SCOTT Other stab wounds, what does that mean in your world?

[Joseph Scott Morgan]

It means that this is an anger filled, frenzied attack, Nancy, you know, because this is something that is driven by rage. We see this many times, particularly with sharp force injuries. Think about what you use a knife, a pair of scissors for a hatchet for those sorts of things. They are used to slice and destroy things, right? It's the most personal of types of attack that you can possibly have in My field. And so in addition to that, Nancy, this is something that everybody needs to hold onto. This is always up close and personal. And I have my own theory about this. You know, based upon what has been stated thus far, that Mr. Reiner and Ms. Singer were found in their bed. It would not be outside the realm of possibility that the attacker potentially climbed into bed with them to facilitate the attack if they did not have the opportunity to flee. So again, this goes to this very personal, personal event that has taken place. I don't hate to use the term event, it's more like butchery, because I can guarantee you that's what it would have been. But, Nancy, there's something that is even more dark here because the medical examiner listed the cause of death. They ruled it the manner as homicide, obviously, but they said multiple sharp force injuries. But, Nancy, you know, there's a line beneath this where it says and other significant conditions contributed to their deaths. And that's like this big unknown that's hiding out there. And we can put any number of things into those categories. All right, you can say that there was underlying natural disease. Like, you know, if someone is attacked, you have heart disease, you're not going to survive it. There could be toxicological issues. I can't imagine they would have tox back this soon. But you also have the specter of blunt force trauma, like where they were hit, punched, kicked, stomped, any number of things like that. And it's really painting this very, very dark picture. As we move through all of this data that's coming forth to us now, we're going to know more. We're not going to know everything because this is an ongoing case, but just this little bit of information that the coroner has released out in LA is something to, you know, kind of, kind of chew on for a bit here, because this is going to be highly complex from a forensic standpoint.

[Nancy Grace]

Upon arrival, officers located two deceased individuals inside the residence, later identified as Rob Reiner and Michelle Reiner. Both victims were found in the master bedroom of the area of the home. Officers conduct a thorough search of the residents to determine whether there were any additional victims or suspects. And no one else was located. Nick Reiner is charged with two counts of murder with the special circumstances of multiple murders. Because he killed two people at the same time. From an early age, he appeared to.

[Jacqueline Roth]

Be a difficult child.

[Nancy Grace]

He had anger in his eyes. Nick Reiner is an abuser. He's a drug addict. The district attorney stated that these charges include special circumstances. What are they? Special circumstances are alleged and they must be under the law alleged in the indictment if the death penalty is being sought. When a murder occurs with, quote, special circumstances, that means that there are circumstances supporting the state seeking the death penalty. That is not true in every homicide. The special circumstances that have been announced in this case are one, mass murder, which means more than one body, and two, the use of a weapon. To Troy Slayton joining me, veteran trial lawyer, defense attorney out of la. Isn't that true, Troy?

[Troy Slayton]

It is true. There's currently a moratorium in place signed by the governor by executive order. But that could change as soon as a new governor is elected or. Or there's some sort of proposition put into law by the people of the state of California.

[Nancy Grace]

So a new governor could eradicate Newsom's moratorium. There's a lot of people sitting on California's death row. Or the people of California could vote on a proposition allowing or getting rid of the moratorium. Troy Slayton, in many jurisdictions, there are multiple special circumstances. You know, both of us have worked on death penalty cases before. I was thinking about the possibility of pecuniary interest as an underlying factor. A special circumstance in this case, because as it stands right now, Nick Reiner could inherit from his parents. Killing them would make him one of the few beneficiaries. There are four children.

[Troy Slayton]

It could if he were to not be convicted. However, California prohibits people from profiting from their crime. So if he is convicted of their Murder Slayer Act. Yes, if he is convicted of.

[Nancy Grace]

But what if he's found e gbri not guilty by reason of insanity?

[Troy Slayton]

That's a good question. He would probably spend the rest of his life in a California mental institution, possibly at Patton State Hospital here in California, where whether he had the money or not, he wouldn't be able to use it.

[Nancy Grace]

Correction, Tiny correction. Ngbri under the California Slayer act, someone that kills the victim cannot then inherit under the law, if they're convicted. If they're found ngbri not guilty by reason of insanity, it then is thrown into probate and they may inherit ngbri not guilty by racial insanity. Once you are. Once you are treated and declared well, you then are out of the mental facility. Isn't that right?

[Troy Slayton]

It is so rare for somebody who is convicted of. Well, found not guilty by reason of insanity, placed in a California mental hospital to ever be released. It almost never.

[Nancy Grace]

The answer to that would be yes, once treated and declared. Well, look at Hinckley. Last I looked, he's living with Mommy and daddy.

[Troy Slayton]

The way that it works in California is you're Entitled to another jury trial on whether or not you're well.

[Nancy Grace]

But again, he could walk after being deemed cured, even following a not guilty by reason. Are you familiar with John Hinckley? Is that ring a bell to you?

[Troy Slayton]

Yes, but that's not California.

[Nancy Grace]

Do you recall what John Hinckley was convicted of?

[Troy Slayton]

Yes. Shooting the President of the United States.

[Nancy Grace]

And do you know where he is today?

[Troy Slayton]

He's out.

[Nancy Grace]

Yes, he's out. He is out. That's. But it was a murder happened.

[Troy Slayton]

It was an attempted assassination.

[Nancy Grace]

It wasn't murder of the President. You know what? I feel like I should be talking to a lamppost right now. Hinckley walked. It could happen. Things change. Charles Manson got the death penalty. Then the law changed and he got life behind bars. Then when the DP was reinstated, it would not be applied retroactively. You never know what's going to happen. So back to where I started. Pecuniary interest in the death of the victim is typically a special circumstance. And lying in wait is a special circumstance to Joseph Scott Morgan. You brought up the specter that he, Nick Reiner, waited until his parents were asleep to sneak in and murder them. That's lying in wait.

[Joseph Scott Morgan]

Yeah, of course it is. And listen, Nancy, you know, I talked about how personal these. These. The slaughter was. And with that being said, this goes to an idea that whoever did this would have familiarity with the habits of the victims. They would know what time individuals went to bed. They would know where their bedroom is. Right. And so how. How better to do this than to wait? Because not only are you trying to. The assailant could be attempting to kill one person, they're trying to kill two. So you have to be able to take advantage of the darkness. You have to be able to take advantage that the person or persons are not aware of what's going along, going around, because they might be in REM at that point in time. So, yeah, I think that that line and wait is a big factor here going forward. And what does that go to that goes to some level of planning?

[Nancy Grace]

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[Richard Sherman]

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[Nancy Grace]

Stories with Nancy Grace. You know, he's been great.

[Joseph Scott Morgan]

He's, you know, hasn't been doing drugs.

[Commercial Announcer]

For over six years.

[Nancy Grace]

I mean, he's, he's in a really good place. I'm really glad to hear that. Much better place. He's a good place now, though Rob.

[Commercial Announcer]

Reiner boasts in September that previously troubled son Nick has been clean for more than six years now, a source close to the family says Reiner was rapidly declining in the weeks before attacking his parents. The source claims Reiner did not give any indication of violent tendencies. And if he had, things would have been much different.

[Nancy Grace]

You were hearing Rob Reiner speaking with Terry Gross on NPR's Fresh Air podcast. Karen Stark joining us, addiction specialist, renowned TV radio trauma expert and forensic psychologist. Karen, why is it we parents don't want to see anything wrong with our children?

[Karen Stark]

It's purely instinctive, Nancy. Think about the twins. It makes such a difference. When it's your child, you want to believe the best. And it was a long time, a very long time since he was in rehab. And so it was what they were hoping it was, not the reality because allegedly he was getting worse. He did trash the guest house. He certainly was hostile when he went to that party, enough so that somebody private like Rob Reiner actually had a fight with him, an argument in front of all those people, which was reported. And so he was not actually this mild kid who had recovered and was doing very well. But parents want to believe that, desperately want to believe that.

[Nancy Grace]

And of course, now the endless finger pointing has started, including blaming the victims.

[Richard Sherman]

Listen, what did Rob Reiner do so bad that this kid hated him so much?

[Joseph Scott Morgan]

Was it money?

[Richard Sherman]

Was it abuse? Was it neglect?

[Nancy Grace]

Hi, Tess. You're right. I don't know how the Reiners were as parents, but I do know, and which I'm quite frankly kind of embarrassed that you don't, is that you can't just murder your parents when they're mean to you. That is from at the midnight 1, 2, 3 on TikTok and Chillisgirled Forever on TikTok. I want to go to a family friend that knows the Reiners, that knows Nick Reiner, that has known them for years. Heather Michaels is with us, investigative reporter producer at Heather Michaels tv. Heather, I strongly resent people asking, what did the Reiners do to deserve this? They didn't deserve this. And all they did was love him and pay for his endless rehab stancing, give him a place to live and a car to drive. I think I saw him driving by in a restored vintage Mustang. I think I saw that he didn't pay for that. He didn't pay for those clothes. He probably charged his parents for his hidey hole after the murder. I mean, they did nothing wrong. They did everything they could to help him.

[Heather Michaels]

Yes, and the comments are disgraceful. They're despicable. But everybody's got an opinion now. You know, you have all these podcasts that everyone wants to chime in. These are two parents that were absolutely fantastic, were loving, compassionate. You know, you asked neighbors, you asked longtime Family, friends, people in the industry, everybody loved and adored these people. And they were fantastic with each and every one of their children.

[Nancy Grace]

They gave him a clear choice. You can live here in our multimillion dollar home. I believe the home had once belonged to Norman Lear. It's beautiful. Or you can go to rehab, or you can go to jail or the street. And we're learning that from a movie created by Rob Reiner with his son Nick, detailing Nick Reiner's struggles with drugs. And it's called Being Charlie. What does the movie reveal? Look, I love him.

[Jacqueline Roth]

I love him.

[Nancy Grace]

Oh, I don't love him.

[Commercial Announcer]

Oh, no, you've had plenty of courses, Charlie.

[Nancy Grace]

Yeah, we have.

[Nick Reiner]

Or jail. You know, quite a wide selection there. One of us had to keep him safe.

[Nancy Grace]

For him or for you? That's from Bing, Charlie. And you clearly see this is a mirror of the Reiner's life. The arguments, the fights, the disruptions. With the son, Nick Reiner, the dad says, you've had plenty of choices. And the son says, yeah, rehab or jail. What a selection. You know, to Karen Stark, people all over this country would love to be in Betty Ford or some other really expensive, really posh rehab where they could live in luxury and actually get well.

[Karen Stark]

Yes, but Nancy, in this case, nothing really worked for him. I want to say something about the movie, if that's okay with you. I think that the movie had a negative effect on him. And the reason I'm saying this is it portrays him as the one in the family that is not okay, the one that's sick, the one that has drug problems. And I think that what that did was reinforce his feelings of inferiority and the fact that he could not get out from Monday. He couldn't stop his addiction, Karen.

[Nancy Grace]

It was his movie. He wants the ability to be a screenwriter. That's the only credit he's got, for Pete's sake. His father handed it to him on a silver platter.

[Karen Stark]

But, Nancy, look at the credit. It's a negative credit. I don't know that he actually thought about that. I bet he didn't. I mean, he wanted his story told, but it's a bad story. And he really couldn't do anything after that. He couldn't move forward. He just had this one.

[Nancy Grace]

He never did anything before that.

[Karen Stark]

Right. But it shows him as being the one of all of the children and the parents and the grandparents. That was not successful. That didn't do well.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, let me understand something. Are you saying that the movie was not the truth, Karen Stark?

[Karen Stark]

No, I'M saying it was, but I'm.

[Nancy Grace]

Saying that, okay, can I help that? Could Rob Reiner help that? That was the truth. The point of the movie was to.

[Karen Stark]

Help other people about Rob Reiner. I'm talking about.

[Nancy Grace]

I can't help that. You think that had a negative impact on Nick Reiner. To Heather Michaels, I want to follow up with what Karen Stark is saying. The one movie, the one credit Nick Reiner ever had was a movie his father created and brought him in on it to help other people. Heather, I don't know how that could have had a negative impact on Nick Reiner. He got a big fat paycheck out of the thing.

[Heather Michaels]

The movie could have had such a tremendous impact on so many people. It could have been educational. His story was being told in a very respectful way, in a very educational way. That movie was fantastically done, and it really could have made such an impact for others. But rather that portrayal and the way he. Nick, you know, what Nick took from it, then it ended up having such a negative impact. And this is being played over and over and over again.

[Nancy Grace]

In an eerie premonition. Let's take a look at Nick Reiner rapping.

[Nick Reiner]

And I don't even care if anyone calls me a Sally, because I'm a snail and I'm never gonna fail. And you know what? You're gonna have to bail me out of jail.

[Nancy Grace]

Nate Reiner behind bars tonight without bail. Let's take a look at Rob Reiner.

[Commercial Announcer]

You call her up.

[Nancy Grace]

You say, come on, let's get together. We'll look at swatches. What have I done? Why don't you just make 10 louder and make 10 be the top number and make that a little louder. These guard to 11. I'm never gonna get out of this town now.

[Joseph Scott Morgan]

My gory.

[Nancy Grace]

You can do anything you want, man. I'll have what she's having. I want the truth.

[Commercial Announcer]

You can't handle the truth.

[Nancy Grace]

I like to take care of one foot at a time. If you know or think you know anything about this case, the state is building a case as we go to air Tonight, please dial 800-222-8477. Did you see Nick Reiner that evening? Did he speak to you? Did you observe anything he did? Did you see him slow down? Throw something out of the window? That is a knife. If you know or think you know anything about this case, please dial 8002-2284-7780-0222-8477. We remember American hero Officer Lisa Melden, Miller County Sheriff's office, Arkansas killed in the line of duty, leaving behind a husband turned widow, Travis and three daughters with no mom. American hero Officer Lisa Melder Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye friend.

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[Richard Sherman]

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[Commercial Announcer]

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[Jacqueline Roth]

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[Nancy Grace]

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