NURSING STUDENT HOLLY BOBO GOES INTO THE WOODS AND VANISHES: KILLER WANTS NEW TRIAL

Summary

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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode: "NURSING STUDENT HOLLY BOBO GOES INTO THE WOODS AND VANISHES: KILLER WANTS NEW TRIAL"
Release Date: December 20, 2025
Host: Nancy Grace
Guests: Shane Dieter, Dave Mack, Dr. Angela Arnold, Dr. Kendall Crowns, Ben Powers, Todd Shipley

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Episode Overview

This gripping episode centers on the abduction and murder of Holly Bobo, a 20-year-old nursing student from Tennessee, and the shocking possibility that her convicted killer, Zach Adams, could walk free due to new trial developments. Nancy Grace and an expert panel meticulously analyze the timeline of Holly's disappearance, discuss investigative missteps, family anguish, confessions, key evidence, and the ongoing legal battle for justice. The conversation oscillates between emotional testimony, criminal investigation, and courtroom drama, maintaining Nancy Grace’s signature urgent and relentless tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Day Holly Bobo Disappeared

• Initial 911 Call & Mother's Agony ([03:19]–[04:25])
  • Nancy plays portions of the frantic 911 call from Holly’s mother, Karen, who was at work when notified about Holly’s abduction.
  • Notable quote: “You are hearing the heartbroken mother of Holly Bobo begging, begging for law enforcement to go immediately to her home.” – Nancy Grace [03:42]
  • Emotional analysis by Dr. Angela Arnold, emphasizing the mother’s helplessness.
• Clint Bobo's (Holly's brother) Critical Misjudgment ([05:55]–[09:08])
  • Clint sees Holly with a man in camouflage and assumes it’s her boyfriend, Drew Scott, because Drew is known to go hunting.
  • Clint’s hesitation is a key regret; he doesn’t recognize the danger.
  • Quote: “This one critical mistake may have cost Holly her life.” – Nancy Grace [08:45]

2. Timeline Reconstruction & Physical Evidence

• Detailed Timeline ([06:20], [21:18])
  • Holly wakes early to study, last text at 7:42am, seen at carport at 7:43am.
  • Drew is turkey hunting 30 minutes away with his father.
• Discovery of Blood & Scattered Belongings ([12:14]–[20:32])
  • Clint finds blood stains in the garage, proven to be Holly’s.
  • Holly’s items (lunch, schoolwork, cell phone) found scattered along rural roads, suggesting they were pitched out a car window post-abduction.
  • Ben Powers, criminal defense attorney, argues that "something grave" must have happened by the time belongings are dumped.
  • Quote: “It basically creates a trail of breadcrumbs in the direction that they went to help hone in the investigation.” – Ben Powers [20:32]

3. The Suspects: "The A Train"

• Identification of Main Suspects ([21:44]–[22:50])
  • The “A Train”: Zach Adams, Shane Austin, Jason Autry, and John Dillon Adams.
  • Community rumors swirl, with Holly’s mother directly confronting known suspects whom she had taught in school.
• Community Confrontation ([26:34]–[29:02])
  • Karen Bobo’s courageous face-to-face with the suspects.
  • Dr. Arnold and Shane Dieter both praise Karen’s bravery (“She’s got balls the size of coconuts.” – Nancy Grace [27:32]).
  • The suspects laugh off her accusations.

4. The Break in the Case: Confessions and Flawed Witnesses

• Breakthrough via Dylan Adams’ Confession ([30:15]–[32:18])
  • Dylan Adams, arrested on an unrelated weapons charge, describes seeing Holly restrained at Zach’s house.
  • He reports details down to clothing and implicates his brother.
  • Defense and prosecution struggle with the reliability of jailhouse informant testimony and matching forensic evidence.
  • Autry agrees to testify in exchange for a deal, further unraveling the conspiracy.
• Testimony Details & Recantations ([37:25]–[46:09])
  • Jason Autry describes Holly as alive in the truck before being shot; chillingly detached.
    • Quote (Jason Autry): “I see the foot move … the sound of distress … this [expletive] is still alive.” ([37:25], [39:07])
  • Autry’s account includes the manner of Holly's death: shot in the back of the head under a bridge, details matching later-discovered remains.
  • Panel scrutinizes the veracity of confessions and Autry’s sudden recantation, which now risks the conviction.
  • Quote: “Now we have a problem. We've got John Dillon Adams confessing, Autry testifying … but it's still a no-body case. How hard is it to prove a no-body case?” – Nancy Grace [41:06]

5. Discovery of Holly’s Remains & Forensic Confirmation

• Remains Discovery ([43:07]–[44:49])
  • Ginseng hunters find Holly’s skull under a bucket, 20 miles from her home, with a bullet hole matching Autry’s story.
  • Dr. Kendall Crowns explains possible animal scattering of bones and confirms single execution-style gunshot from the forensics.
  • Quote: “[The skull] had an entrance wound in the back right side of the head and an exit wound on the left side of the facial bones or of the cheek ... she was kind of executed by a single gunshot wound to the back of the head.” – Dr. Crowns [43:52]

6. The Prosecution, Plea Deals, and Ongoing Legal Drama

• The Trials and Deals ([44:49]–[48:49])

  • Of the A Train, only Zach Adams goes to trial. Autry is star witness; John Dillon Adams and Autry take plea deals, one suspect commits suicide.
  • Holly’s discarded receipt is found just 75ft from a suspect’s driveway, further linking the group to the crime scene.
  • Quote: “The fascinating part... these men were familiar so much with the area … 75ft from Shane Austin's front door, that's where they found a receipt with Holly Bobo's name on it.” – Dave Mack [47:49]

• Current Legal Twist: Bid for a New Trial ([49:40]–[51:42])

  • Zach Adams’ attorney now claims she was ineffective, suffering depression and logistical overload at trial. Allegations that testimony was crafted and the legal defense was overwhelmed.
  • Judge considering whether Adams should get a new trial. A written ruling is expected within 60 days of the upcoming hearing ([50:07]–[51:42]).
  • Nancy closes with a cliffhanger: “We wait as justice unfolds…”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• Family Anguish:
  • “The pain in the mother's voice is almost unbearable. It's excruciating to hear it.” – Nancy Grace [04:25]
• Critical Misjudgment:
  • “He could not have known who the perp is.” – Nancy Grace citing Todd Shipley’s analysis on “woulda, coulda, shoulda” in crime cases. [15:23]
• Law Enforcement Frustration:
  • Ben Powers: “They're probably not the first choice for the state on who they'd put on the stand because I'm sure they have a lot of character flaws … possible drug abuse histories…” [42:05]
• Callousness of the Perpetrators:
  • “He sees her foot move, he hears her sigh and he says this [expletive] is still alive.” – Nancy Grace [39:07]

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Timestamps for Major Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-------------|---------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:19–04:25 | Emotional 911 call from Karen Bobo | | 05:55–09:08 | Clint’s crucial misjudgment and its implications | | 12:14–13:32 | Discovery of blood evidence in the garage | | 17:32–20:32 | Blood evidence and scattered belongings analyzed | | 21:44–22:50 | Identification of “A Train” suspects | | 26:34–29:02 | Karen Bobo’s confrontation with suspects | | 30:15–32:18 | Dylan Adams' confession breaks the case | | 37:25–39:07 | Jason Autry's chilling testimony about Holly's murder | | 43:07–44:49 | Discovery of Holly's remains and forensic confirmation | | 49:40–51:42 | Legal bid for a new trial; defense claims attorney ineffectiveness |

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Summary & Listener Value

This episode delves into the traumatizing saga of Holly Bobo’s disappearance, the missteps and minute-by-minute trauma experienced by her family, and the painstaking process by which a rural crime was solved, only to be thrown into uncertainty again. The panel balances emotional impact with forensic and legal complexity. Notably, the discussion critiques investigation errors, explores the dangers of unreliable testimony, and underlines the heart and resolve of Holly’s mother. The final segment underscores the fragility of “justice” in American courts, leaving the listener anxious for the next legal episode in this deeply tragic case.

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For listeners:
If you’ve never heard this story, this episode provides a comprehensive yet heart-wrenching account of the Holly Bobo case—combining emotional family insight, meticulous investigative detail, and the ongoing pursuit of justice.

Transcript

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[Nancy Grace]

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a gorgeous young nursing student, Holly Bobo walks into the woods and vanishes forever and Tonight, her brutal killer to walk free. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.

[Narrator/Host]

Somebody has my daughter.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

Okay.

[Narrator/Host]

Please get there now.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

They're on their way.

[Dave Mack]

Is that where you live?

[Narrator/Host]

Yes.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

Okay, you.

[Nancy Grace]

Oh my stars. You are hearing the heartbroken mother of Holly Bobo begging, begging for law enforcement to go immediately to her home. You hear her stating, I'm at school, she's a school teacher. I'm trying to get to my home. Neighbors heard her screaming and somebody in camouflage got Holly. And that is how this case, her disappearance kicked off. Listen to more of that 911 call.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

Okay, I got officers on the way right now.

[Dave Mack]

Okay.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

They'Re on their way, sweetie. Right now.

[Nancy Grace]

This is Robin.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

They're on their way, sweetie. I got everybody on their way.

[Nancy Grace]

Robbing me a r. The pain in the mother's voice is almost unbearable. It's excruciating to hear it. You are hearing Holly Bobo's mother raising the alarm. Her daughter has been taken by a man in camo. Joining me, an all star panel to make sense of what we are learning. Straight up to Shane Dieter joining us from Tennessee, former assignment editor watn Memphis. Shane, thank you for being with us. Just hearing Holly's mother is heartbreaking. In the 911 call, her voice does sometimes scream and then she's begging and she's crying and the excruciating trip from work trying to get home. Describe where was the mother when she learns this is happening? Shane she was at work.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

She is a school teacher and she was at work. I know she was so upset that she had to have a friend or a co worker drive her home. I just couldn't imagine getting that call and then making that call. It was heartbreaking as you heard. I could not imagine the scare that that mother had. And that was her baby.

[Nancy Grace]

That is Holly Bobo's mother. But who is Holly?

[Narrator/Reporter]

Holly Bobo, a beautiful 20 year old nursing student at the University of Tennessee, Martin. She lives with her parents and brother Clint at the family home in Darden, Tennessee. April 13. Holly awakens at 4:30am to study for an exam. Brother Clint wakes up to the sound of the family dogs barking. Around 7:45am he looks out to see Holly and a man dressed in camouflage in the garage. Clint thinks Holly and her boyfriend Drew Scott are having an argument.

[Nancy Grace]

As I listened a little bit closer, I could tell that that was Holly's voice. So I knew it was Holly. So in my mind, the male's voice I knew to be Drew. You know who is her boyfriend? That's my friends at ABC 2020 again joining me at All Star Panel. You know, it's very disconcerting to Dr. Angela Arnold joining us, renowned psychiatrist out of the Atlanta jurisdiction. And you can find her at Angela Arnold, maryland.com because your day is going along as normal until it's not. And you hear the mother just she can hardly talk. She screams. Then she begs and she cries, trying to get the entire community out pronto to help find her daughter. All she knows at this juncture is that a male wearing camo led her daughter, took her daughter after an argument in their carport into the woods that goes along the Tennessee River. That's all she knows. When she's calling 911. There she is at work, She's a schoolteacher and she gets this call and her life will never be the same.

[Narrator/Host]

Dr. Angie Imagine Nancy, she has literally no control over what is happening to her daughter. All she can do is try to get there as fast as she can and try to get as many people there as fast as they can get there. But she knows that she has no control over this situation. I can't even imagine a more horrible feeling for a mother.

[Nancy Grace]

Now we just heard from our friends at ABC 2020, Clint Bobo speaking. He was stating, as I listened a little closer, I could tell it was Holly's voice. So I knew if it's Holly, then she must be talking to her boyfriend, Drew. Okay, how did he come to the idea, Shane Dieter joining us from Tennessee, that Holly was talking to the boyfriend.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

Nancy, the night before, the brother and Drew, the boyfriend were talking, they were also friends and Drew talked about going hunting. So when Holly's brother heard that and saw her going out towards the wood with this man in camouflage, he thought it was her boyfriend or assumed it was her boyfriend.

[Nancy Grace]

This one critical mistake may have cost Holly her life. When the brother, by all accounts well intentioned, looks out, he sees his sister with a guy. They're talking and he thinks it's the boyfriend. Listen.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Clint calls his mother Karen at work, telling his mother it looks like Holly and Drew are having an argument. They are walking towards the woods. Karen says, that is not Drew. Grab a gun and shoot whoever is with Holly. Drew is turkey hunting on Bobo family property. Clint asks, you want me to shoot Drew, Karen? Bobo immediately calls 911 around 8am I.

[Nancy Grace]

Said, that's not true.

[Narrator/Host]

Get a gun and shoot him.

[Nancy Grace]

And Clint said, you want me to shoot Drew? And I think that's when I hung.

[Narrator/Host]

Up and called 9 1, 1 from.

[Nancy Grace]

Our friends at A.B. what she didn't know out to Dave Mack, crime stories, investigative reporter. What he, the brother didn't know is when he told mom, some guy, I guess the boyfriend is leading her down the trail to the river into the woods. Her response is, she knew. She did not have time to explain. Dave Mack, she says, get a gun and shoot him. And the brother, Clint, is just grogging. What? He's just waking up. He's like, you want me to shoot Drew? But what the mother knew and the brother didn't know was at that very moment, the boyfriend wasn't even there. He was miles away, turkey hunting with his own father. But the brother didn't know that. He's like, what? Explain it, Dave.

[Dave Mack]

That's exactly what happened, Nancy.

[Nancy Grace]

All right.

[Dave Mack]

Clint was just waking up and he hears the dogs barking. You mentioned that Karen knows that Drew is hunting because he's turkey hunting on Bobo family property. It's actually Karen's grandmother. That's the property they're hunting on. So he's 30 miles away. And so she knows it's not brew. It can't be Drew. And Clint has no clue. He's just blurry eyed and he's like he hears his sister. He hears her voice, but he hears a tinge in her voice that he feels like they're arguing. And I think he said he heard the word no, but the way that he briefly saw it, just in his mind, he couldn't think who. I mean, think about it. It's early in the morning. Who else would you be talking to? You wouldn't be talking to somebody you didn't know out by your car getting ready to go to school. That's why Clint was kind of out of it and just assumed it was Drew right then. And Karen obviously knew it couldn't be. She knew it could. That's why she said, grab a gun and shoot him.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

That was her.

[Dave Mack]

She said, go shoot. She knew intuitively a mother's intuition knew her daughter was in trouble and that man meant no good.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

911.

[Dave Mack]

What's your emergency?

[Narrator/Host]

Somebody has my daughter.

[Dave Mack]

They have kidnapped her.

[Narrator/Host]

And somebody in full camouflage got Holly.

[Nancy Grace]

Please get everybody in the community out there.

[Dave Mack]

They're on their way.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

Sweetie, I got everybody on their way right now already. Oh, my God.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Clint. Bobo can see sister Holly, the man in camo, on a trail that leads to a logging road. And Clint notices the man is bigger than her boyfriend, Drew, Holly's mother. Karen tells Clint to grab. Grab a pistol and go outside. Toward the garage, calling 91 1. As he walks in the garage, Clint finds blood stains. Police arrive at the Bobo residence in 10 minutes.

[Nancy Grace]

Straight back out to Shane Dieter, former assignment editor WATM Memphis. Shane, what is it that Clint, the brother, saw? First of all, a neighbor hears screams. A neighbor hears a woman we now know to be Holly Bobo screaming. The neighbor calls the mom at school where she's working. The mom tells Clint to look out, get up, son, Go look outside. And he's saying, well, you know, she's walking into the woods with a guy in camo. But Shane described for me what Clint saw. You know, when he saw them kneeling in the carport, he just thought it.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

Was his sister having an argument with her boyfriend. So again, like we said, he saw the guy in camouflage. He didn't realize that Drew was 30 miles away. And so he, you know, he did what most people would do, you know, until his mom told him to get a gun. Then he went out and found the blood.

[Nancy Grace]

So Dave Mack explained to me, when he looks out, they're not walking yet. No, they're kneeling. Kneeling.

[Dave Mack]

Yeah.

[Nancy Grace]

Yeah. And that's describe that.

[Dave Mack]

That's what really set Clint off, Nancy, if. Because he sees Holly kneeling and he sees the other person also kneeling, it's not something you see on any kind of given day. And the guy's just waking up, and so he sees what he thinks is Holly and her boyfriend, but they're kneeling. They're not in a way that he would expect them to be. And that's a very important point here, because he didn't take immed corrective action because he thought that Drew was breaking up with Holly. He sees Holly kneeling, he hears her say no. You start putting it all together, and you realize he didn't want to insert himself into that situation. He didn't see it as dangerous, somebody on their knees, if they're both kneeling. That's not a dangerous situation, Nancy. And that's the way he described it.

[Nancy Grace]

Todd Shipley joining me from Reno. Former detective sergeant with The Nevada Police Department, 25 years in LA. You know, interesting. We look back at every crime, right? And you can say woulda, coulda, shoulda. If he should have known that wasn't Drew the boyfriend, he could have called 911. He would have done the right thing. But the reality is he couldn't stop see the guy's face ever. He never saw the perp's face. He saw him from behind. He describes him as wearing camo, a baseball hat, and that he had dark hair coming out from under his cap that, you know, kind of went under his collar to show how long the hair was. He said he was 5, 10 to 6ft. Hey, that could be anybody. And that he weighed 180 to up around 200 pounds. But he never saw his face. So all the speculation, it's the brother Clint's fault. It's not. Clint is not the one that kidnapped Holly Bobo. It's not his fault. He did not see the perp's face. And isn't it true, Shipley, that in every case, people say, if only. Fill in the blank. If only I had worn a seatbelt. If only I hadn't gone to the liquor store. If only I hadn't gone jogging. I mean, that could be a million scenarios. Woulda, coulda, shoulda. But it doesn't fit here because he didn't see the face. He could not have known who the perp is.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

No, of course. I mean, and we all regret things that have happened, especially in those stress situations where, you know, the person realizes later that if they had intervened, the whole situation could have changed. And so that poor young man is regretting, you know, so many things in his life and has for years. But had he walked out there, it would have been a very different situation. But we don't know whether that person was armed, what was happening. He could have gotten killed himself, too, at that point in time. We just don't know because it's all what ifs after the fact. And that's the unfortunate thing.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Extensive searches of the area around the Bobo home are conducted on foot and with dogs. Hour and a half her cell phone traveled throughout Decatur county. The phone tracks north to a wooded.

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Area near I40, stops moving between 8:30am.

[Narrator/Reporter]

And 9am and begins moving again as it pings back south toward the Bobo residence.

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But not on the same route.

[Nancy Grace]

Today, Matt, crime story, investigative reporter. We heard earlier that when the brother Clint goes into the garage, he sees blood stains on the garage floor. And there were at least two blood stains, as I recall, one about the size of a fist and one a much smaller blood drop. Drop. That's significant, that it was a drop. Not a smear, not a transfer, but a drop. Describe the blood the brother Clint finds in the Bobo family garage.

[Dave Mack]

The blood drop, as you just mentioned, Nancy, that's actually the real big indicator that there was probably an injury that was bleeding profusely enough that it would fall off of her body. And by the way, the blood did test. As for Holly Bobo, now Clint has to assume it's his sister's blood when he sees it, which most of us would. The bigger of the two could have been put. It could have happened anyway. You know, you can fall down on something, you can sit on something. You know, we know that she was kneeling in the garage. And it's the blood drop that actually is the biggest part of this because it shows it's a fresh cut that is bleeding enough that it's not just a smear. You didn't just cut your finger and smear it on the, on the floor. It's actually dropping from your body freely onto the floor. And it actually can indicate they'll look at that blood to see if it's going towards her car or away from her car. Was she attacked on her way to the car? Was she surprised on her? You know, there's any number of ways that they'll use that blood droplet to find out exactly how she was attacked, when it happened, and who probably did it.

[Nancy Grace]

What does it mean when you take this blood spatter in conjunction with the story that Clint, the brother, is telling, It's a very, very disturbing story. The search is on, on foot with dogs. The phone. Her phone tracks north to a wooded area near I40. It stops moving. Remember, all this is happening in the early morning hours. She gets up, study at 4:30am she's heading to school. Mom's at work, Dad's at work. The phone stops moving. By 9am it begins moving again, pinging back south toward the Bobo home, but on a different route. Then, a discovery.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Several items belonging to Holly are found scattered throughout the area on country roads. Her lunch, homework, a receipt with her name on it, a card from school, her cell phone, and a SIM card, which have been removed from the phone.

[Nancy Grace]

Many would argue that the discovery of her belongings, school papers, homework, her lunch, is random.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

No.

[Nancy Grace]

Joining me is a veteran trial lawyer, criminal defense attorney Ben Powers. And you can find [e-mail] Ben, please, if possible, take off your defense hat. Just one moment. The fact that her items were scattered along various country roads is significant. It sounds like they were thrown out a window of a vehicle. So now we have to figure out she was walking, being forced to walk by a guy in camo up a trail that leads down to the Tennessee River. But yet her items that she would have had, like in a backpack or in her arm, are scattered along various country roads. What, if anything, can I deduce from that? BEN Powers.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

So the first inference that I have is something's already happened to Holly by that point. Something very serious has probably already happened to her. Something grave has already happened to her because now they're trying to distance themselves from her and her belongings. And they're just throwing them out the window as they drive because they think that's the best way to get rid of this backpack of contents that they now have that they're trying to get themselves away from. And in turn, what they've done is basically create a trail of breadcrumbs in the direction that they went to help hone in the investigation in that direction. But my first impression is that it's a sign that something bad had happened prior to that moment. And now they're trying to distance themselves from that by getting rid of any evidence that can tie them to Holly Bobo.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Investigators put together a timeline of what happened to Holly Bobo. Waking up early to study for her test, Holly gets a call. Boyfriend Drew. At 7:30, Drew is Turkey hunting on Bobo family property with his dad. About 30 minutes away, Holly sends a text. At 7:42am Holly did not send or answer another text or call after 7:42am At 7:43am Holly walks to the carport to get in her car and go to school.

[Nancy Grace]

The so called a train. Word gets around that the a train may have had something to do with Holly Bobo's disappearance. What is the a train? I'll tell you. It's Zach Adams, Shane Austin, Jason Autry, and Zach Adams brother, John Dillon. Adams. Adams. Adams, Austin Autry. Why is it that people cannot shut their pie holes? How? Let me go to Dr. Kendall Crowns joining us now. His expertise is dead bodies. But how do the dead bodies get there and how do we solve cases? Dr. Kendall Crowns is with us, the chief medical examiner, Tarrant County. That's Fort Worth. Never a lack of business. He is the star of a podcast about to hit the airwaves. Mayhem in the morgue. He is the esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Dr. Kendall Crowns. For every dead body that is a victim of homicide that you see on your table, I guarantee you 50% of those cases are solved by loose lips that sink ships. When you look at one of the victims that you autopsy that you cut apart to determine cause of death, can you imagine that somewhere out there a killer is bragging?

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

Yeah, I often when I'm doing the autopsies, I think about what the individual who may have done this is doing right at that present time. Often they're already in custody, but sometimes they're not. And you kind of always have to wonder did you walk past them on your way into work that day? Did you run into them at the grocery store or something of that nature? You never know. But you are right Nancy. People really love to boast about the things they do and the evil that they commit on other individuals.

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[Nancy Grace]

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Nothing is true. Stronger than a mother's love. Nothing stronger on this earth than a mother's love. It is said, much like Natalie Holloway's mother, Beth confronted Natalie's killer trying to get the truth. Of course, Jorn Van Der Sloot totally blew her off. Such an a hole. Technical legal term here. Holly's mother hears the rumblings, hears the rumors that a train had something to do with Holly's disappearance. At this time, she has no idea where her daughter is and she confronts them.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Listen, Karen taught Zach Adams and Jason Autry when they were in grade school and knows the type of men they are. All deny any involvement.

[Narrator/Host]

I asked them, did they know anything about our daughter's abduction? Of course, they all denied it.

[Nancy Grace]

That from our friends at ABC 2020. Well, to use a technical legal term on you, Dr. Angela Arnold. She's got balls the size of coconuts.

[Narrator/Host]

Wow. She sure does. And Nancy, you need to have balls the size of coconuts to take care of your own children when things like this happen because you can't leave it in anyone else's hands. I don't blame her in the least for going after these kids and confronting them and asking them what they did.

[Nancy Grace]

Why are you calling them kids?

[Narrator/Host]

Well, I believe I.

[Nancy Grace]

The a train.

[Narrator/Host]

I called them kids.

[Nancy Grace]

I believe you did.

[Narrator/Host]

When she taught them they were kids.

[Nancy Grace]

These are gross men.

[Narrator/Host]

And you know what, Nancy? Maybe that had something to do with the fact that she was able to confront them also because maybe she thought of them as kids because they were kids when she knew them and taught them. I understand that they're grown men and they should all go away and suffer grown men consequences for what they did to this beautiful girl.

[Nancy Grace]

Yeah, you know what? You said something really interesting right there. Well, a lot really interesting. But the fact that she knew them, she taught two of them fourth grade.

[Narrator/Host]

And you know Nancy as well as I do.

[Nancy Grace]

The word is they took Holly Bobo out of her own carport on her way to nursing school. A girl they knew. If this is true. So at that juncture, straight out to Shane Dietard, what did the a train have to say back? I bet they got a big laugh off Holly's mother coming to ask them, where's Holly?

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

They claimed that they had nothing to do with it. And you know, they were out bragging about it and the mother was listening to these stories and you're talking about someone that's involved. You know, it's her daughter. And then she taught these kids, she knows them. And Mrs. Bobo is a mama bear. She went after them. I mean, and that's, you know, I hear a bunch of stories that that's how cases are solved, is a parent gets involved and has to go after the people. And that's so dangerous. That shows you how brave the mother is.

[Nancy Grace]

Shane Dieter. You are so right. Shane Dieter joining us from this jurisdiction of Tennessee who was on the case from the very, very beginning. So the mom goes after them, the so called A train and they laugh her off. But the word is bubbling around this tiny, tiny town in Tennessee, the word is bubbling that the A train is somehow responsible. And then a break.

[Narrator/Reporter]

A random arrest of Dylan Adams on a weapons charge cracks the ice. Adams tells police in April 13 he went to Zach's house to get his truck and saw Holly Bobo sitting in a green chair in the living room wearing a pink T shirt with Jason Autry standing nearby. Adams also tells police his brother was wearing camouflage shorts, black cutoff sleeve T shirt and a pair of green Crocs. Adams says brother Zach Adams told him he raped Ollie Bobo and videotaped it. This confession led to Zach Adams, Jason Autry and Shane Austin. His confession led to Jason Autry agreeing to testify against Zach Adams.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

And now you're saying the same Austin is sitting there, you're sitting there, Jason Al is sitting there.

[Dave Mack]

Exactly.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

Is there anybody else involved? Was Holly Bubble kidnapped? Was she?

[Nancy Grace]

Oh, my stars. That's from our friends at ABC 2020. Let me understand his Ben Powers. So. So nobody knows what's happened to Holly. The mom confronts the A train about their potential involvement. Do they know where she is? She's desperate. You know why? Because Zach Adams has been bragging. Don't you love a bragger? For a client that can't keep his pie holes shut, saying things like to his girlfriend, you're going to end up tied up in a hole just like Hollywood or I'll do the same thing to you I did to Holly. Bragging. The bravado he must have had saying all that. And it gets around. You can't say things like that in a small town and nobody find out. Well, mom found out and confronted him. And don't you know Ben Powers, the First minute they could arrest the brother, Dylan John Dillon Adams brother of Zach the bragger, they started putting the screws to him, right?

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

Yeah. I mean, once they start really drilling him about the details and getting him to admit very incriminating things like, you know, she's in their home, she's wearing a pink T shirt. These are the guys that are with me. This is who did what, and this is the condition of things, and this is what happened. I mean, from that point, it's just a matter of trying to corroborate what he's saying. If you're the state, if you're on the defense side, you're pointing out all the ways his story doesn't match the physical evidence that they've collected and doesn't match other electronic data like cell ping data and other messages that might be recovered from cell phones and things like that. But that's where it goes next, is you try to either build the statement or discredit the statement.

[Nancy Grace]

Right. Todd Shipley joining us, former Detective Sergeant Reno, Nevada, author of Surviving a Cyber Attack. Hey, Todd. Also, the level of detail in John Dillon's description. He gets to the house and there he sees Holly Bobo in a pink shop, a pink top, sitting there. His brother is wearing camo shorts, a black cutoff T shirt and green Crocs. And the brother brags that they holly and videoed it. That's a lot of detail for somebody to make up.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

Well, it depends on what they're trying to defend themselves with. Are they trying to put the blame on somebody else and give very detailed information about what they supposedly did when it could have been himself that did it? I'm not sure that we know all those facts. And, and as mentioned earlier by your guest was the details don't match up with the evidence, and that becomes problematic. And where the prosecution or the law enforcement is going to go with the evidence, do they disprove what he said or do they try to build their case around that statement? That becomes a very difficult thing to do.

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[Nancy Grace]

Crime Stores with Nancy Grace. What happened to Holly Bobo and will her killer now walk free? Is that possible? In what world can that happen? Because not only do we have the brother of Zachary Adams when he gets arrested on an unrelated gun charge. Spill it all about Holly being raped and murdered. Now we have another member of the so called a train singing like a nightingale.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

Listen I'm standing over the top of her, my hand on my knees she being right here at that time I see the foot move move the sound of distress it sound like come from the blank. I told him I said this still.

[Nancy Grace]

Alive from our friends at ABC 2020 that's Jason Autry describing What happened to Holly Bobo? I mean, did you hear that Dr. Kendall crowns. He describes a multicolored blanket that is in the back of one of the other perps truck and he's looking at it and the foot moves and he hears an audible sigh and they realize Holly Bobo is still alive.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

Yes, that can happen occasionally in murders where the individual is found to still be alive after the initial assault that they thought they killed him with. Often we see this in strangulations. And what happens then is they will use whatever means they have available to make sure they end that person's life so that person can't wake up and testify against them at a later date. They may beat their head ends with a rock. If they have knives available, they may stab them multiple times. I've even seen them try to cut heads off. And then they'll also in this case shoot them in the head with a gun.

[Nancy Grace]

And Dr. Angela Arnold, did you hear the callous nature to which he referred to Holly? He sees the foot move. He sees her foot move, he hears her sigh and he says this B is still alive.

[Narrator/Host]

Oh well Nancy, they never, they never didn't have a callous feeling towards. Towards her. They kidnapped her, they raped her, they murdered her. They never had any warm and fuzzy feelings towards her. So that just describes how all of them are okay, Nancy. They're a bunch of psychopaths. There are a bunch of psychopaths. They wanted to rape her. And you know Nancy, what the sad thing is, you know when we talk about she was gay, Nancy. Not just one of them, she was gang. This poor woman suffered unmercifully at the hands of these horrific psychopaths.

[Nancy Grace]

Talk about singing like a bird. Listen to Autry dead time.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Boom.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

The gun sound, gun went out and it sound like boom, boom, boom underneath that bridge. It was just one shot. But was it echoed underneath that bridge all the way down that damn river bottom. And when that gun went off, the birds went everywhere, just all up under that bridge and it was just dead silence for just a second.

[Nancy Grace]

From our friends at ABC 2020, Ben Powers criminal DEFENSE ATTORNEY Why is it all your clients have guns that just go off? Nobody ever says he shot her under the bridge. And then it echoed twice. It sounded like three gunshots shots from the echo under that concrete bridge. And then the birds flew up in the air and then everything was dead silent. How what all your clients, the gun just goes off. Nobody pulls the trigger.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

I know that I have all my clients that the guns just goes off. I think the state tries to put a gun in my client's hands and say they used it intentionally. But that always, that doesn't always match the forensic evidence that we have in the case. But that's certainly what the state likes to do, is it's cleaner to say this person shot intentionally. But on a case like this, those.

[Nancy Grace]

Pesky guys that just go off with such incredible precision that they actually kill the victim when they just go off. And that's what they're saying here. Autry, he's singing, but he ain't singing on tune because he's saying the gun went off and boom, boom, boom from the three, the shot and the two echoes underneath the bridge and the birds fly off. Now we have a problem. We've got John Dillon Adams confessing. We have Autry testifying in the hopes of that someday, somehow he'll get a plea, a cheap plea, but yet it's still a no body case. How hard is it to prove a no body case? BEN Powers?

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

Well, I think it's really hard for the state because they're going to rely on probably not the most outstanding witness or witnesses. You know, they're probably not the first choice for the state on who they'd put on the stand because I'm sure they have a lot of character flaws, possible drug abuse histories, things like that. I believe one or all of them are pretty familiar.

[Nancy Grace]

Did you say possible flaws?

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

Character flaws, yeah.

[Nancy Grace]

Did you just say possible flaws? You mean a rap sheet as long as I75? Is that a possible flaw in your mind?

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

That's one example of a possible flaw. But yeah, that's a rap sheet. Just bad character. I mean, even the ones that are testifying are involved. You know, they're not a good Samaritan. They're just trying to help themselves. And so that brings into some concern. Are they really testifying to do the right thing or are they testifying to save themselves to the forensics? And with that, well, you know what?

[Nancy Grace]

I don't have to worry about it. Because then heaven drops another bombshell in the state's lap. Listen.

[Narrator/Reporter]

Six months after the arrest of Dylan Adams and subsequent arrest of others, Larry Stone is hunting ginseng in a wooded area about 20 miles from dark Garden. Stone says he saw a large bucket in the woods, and beneath the bucket.

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He found a human skull. Investigators recover the skull and other remains.

[Narrator/Reporter]

In the area and positively identify Holly Bobo. Her skull has a bullet hole in the back and fracturing her cheekbone as.

[Nancy Grace]

It exited straight out to Dr. Kendall Crowns chief Medical examiner Tarrant county star of mayhem in the morgue. Dr. Kendall Crowns, decipher what we just learned that was found by two ginseng hunters. They see a bucket, they look under the bucket. Of course they looked under the bucket. They couldn't help themselves. And they find Holly Bobo's skull.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

So they. What they described is the skull had no flesh on it and had a entrance wound in the back right side of the head and an exit wound on the left side of the facial bones or of the cheek. So it showed that she was kind of executed by a single gunshot wound to the back of the head.

[Nancy Grace]

Dr. Crowns, how do you explain the fact that only a few are her bones were found. That doesn't necessarily mean she was dismembered, does it?

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

It does not. Sometimes when an individual dies in a wooded area, animals come out and they scavenge the vultures, crows. If there's razor hogs in the area, coyotes, anything can come in and take parts of the body away and they'll spread them over a wide, vast area of the wooded spot and you'll find bones everywhere. And in fact, they can drag them off for miles and you may never find all that person again.

[Narrator/Reporter]

The case took years to solve and longer to get to court. But once there, prosecutor Paul Hagerman laid out Zach Adams told Jason Autry that he, Shane Austin and John Dillon Adams had kidnapped and raped Holly. Autry saw a blanket in the bed of Adams truck. There was a body in the blanket. Hagerman says Autry has been offered immunity to testify and they're going to tell the jury. He asked Sag Adams, Adams, how did this blank get in your truck? The plan was to gut her body so it would sink in the water. But Holly moved and made a noise. That's when Zach Adams got a gun and shot Holly in the back of the head.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

He covered up, he bragged about it and he almost got away.

[Nancy Grace]

That from our Friends at Law News. So let me understand, Shane Dieter, these guys convicted. How is it that some way the lead member of the A train could walk free? How can this be?

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

My understanding is, Nancy, that Autry has recanted his testimony and has admitted that he did it to get a deal. And that's, you know where we stand when you lose your star witness. Then you got.

[Nancy Grace]

Hold on just a moment. Shane Dieter, Let me understand something. So we've got Jason Autry testifying at trial with a story so rich in detail, it's hard not to believe even talking about his own involvement. But then let's don't forget about Ben Powers, that John Dillon Adams also took a guilty plea to 35 years behind bars. So what, they're gonna plead guilty to 35 years and 8 years respectively, because they didn't do it?

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

Well, I think they're going to take a plea in that situation because the state's got a witness that they're concerned about testifying and being able to put it all together in a compelling way. And what they're looking at is the possibility of life without parole, or the next best thing would be life with parole, which is 51 years. And so under those circumstances, there's a lot of motive to take a plea that doesn't always have to do with, you know, guilt or innocence, but rather self preservation.

[Nancy Grace]

Now, isn't it also true to Dave Mack that when I said it was critical where her discarded items were found, that many of them were found just 75ft from one of the perp's driveways? Another coincidence. DAVE Mack.

[Dave Mack]

The fascinating part about where those items are found, Nancy, as you pointed out, is these men were familiar so much with the area that they were driving.

[Narrator/Reporter]

The first drive away from the house.

[Dave Mack]

And then back towards it on different roads, but back in the same direction, 75ft from Shane Austin's front door. That's where they found a receipt with Holly Bobo's name on it. Now, you mentioned a minute ago about the guilty pleas and things like that. Of the four members of the A train, only Zach Adams actually went to trial. You know, we've got Autry rolling over on everybody and creating such an incredible story on the stand, is so articulate. The judge said he was the best witness he'd ever seen. John Dillon Adams, you know, there he just. He was the reason they even got an arrest to start with when there was no body found. And Shane Austin actually committed suicide in February of 2015. So he commits suicide and they never get it.

[Guest Expert/Commentator]

Please.

[Nancy Grace]

See, I wonder why.

[Dave Mack]

But they offered him a thing as.

[Nancy Grace]

Killing Holly Bobo and commit suicide. So two of them take a plea, one commits suicide and the other goes to trial and is now saying it's all a big lie. But let me ask you one more thing. Is it true, Dave Mack, that Autry gave the statement about how Holly Bobo was shot once in the. In the back of the head, then the skull is found, and lo and behold, it's exactly what he says happened, exactly as Autry describes it.

[Dave Mack]

Odd that you would tell the truth and claim it's a lie. You know, none of it makes sense. But I don't know when you've got lifelong criminals and drug addicts and dealers, you can't believe anything they're saying. But when they tell the truth and it matches up with the evidence you've got, I kind of think you go ahead and believe that.

[Nancy Grace]

Yeah, especially in light of the fact that they describe what happened before the skull is found. So I guess they're clairvoyant yet again. This is coming to the court under a very little used writ of quorum anabus, which means that according to the convicted killer Zachary Adams, he wants to correct the record of its factual inaccuracies.

[Narrator/Host]

Zachary Adams, former lead defense attorney, has testified before a Hardin county judge that she does not believe she was a competent, effective capital defender during Adams 2017 trial. She was depressed, she told the court. Court overwhelmed by an electronic discovery dump and facing a judge she believed would get a conviction no matter what. During the trial, prosecutors instead relied largely on Autry's testimony, along with statements attributed to John Dillon Adams and several jailhouse witnesses who claim Zachary Adams made incriminating comments. Attorney Jennifer Thompson alleges after reviewing the discovery, she believes Autry crafted his statement and other witnesses followed along. What's more, the judge denied her request for Austin's former attorney to join her trial team, leaving her with more digital discovery than she could handle alone. Thompson said she considered withdrawing but didn't because she was afraid Adams would be pressured into a plea. A judge is now considering what Thompson says she failed to do at trial. Trial in essence, her ineffectiveness at trial Zachary Adams bid for a new trial continues at the end of this month, December 29th and 30th. For the state's remaining witnesses and closing arguments. A written ruling is expected to be issued within 60 days of the hearing's conclusion. If the judge grants Adams relief, prosecutors would have to decide whether to retry Adams or walk away.

[Nancy Grace]

We wait as justice unfolds and now we remember an American hero Police officer ciara Burton, just 28 years old, shot and killed at a traffic stop. Survived by fiance. Set to be wed in just nine days. Sierra and K9 partner partner Brev American hero Police officer Ciara Burton. Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye friend.

[Narrator/Host]

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[Nancy Grace]

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[Nancy Grace]

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