P.I. DROPS BOMBSHELL: NEW PROBE IN TEEN CELESTE’S BODY IN SINGER D4VD’S TESLA

Summary

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

Episode: P.I. DROPS BOMBSHELL: NEW PROBE IN TEEN CELESTE’S BODY IN SINGER D4VD’S TESLA

Date: October 22, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the shocking discovery of a decomposing teenage girl, Celeste, in a Tesla owned by singer D4VD (David Anthony Burke). Nancy Grace and her all-star panel—featuring a private investigator, medical examiner, legal and publicity experts—unpack the latest developments in the ongoing investigation. A private investigator reveals new surveillance evidence and the timeline of events, prompting tough questions about who knew what, when, and why there’s been so little public communication or action from the principal figures involved.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Discovery and Initial Investigation

[01:46–02:30]

• Nancy Grace introduces the case: Celeste's body, badly decomposed, is found in D4VD’s Tesla, and LAPD determines it's a homicide.
• Emphasis is placed on motive—"Who would have a motive to kill her?" (Nancy Grace, 01:57).

2. Private Investigator’s Involvement and Timeline

[03:16–07:50]

• Steve Fisher (Private Investigator) was hired by the homeowner after a forced search entry because of his previous missing person investigation and findings.
• Surveillance videos from ring cameras and neighborhood cameras establish a timeline for the Tesla's movements:
  • Fisher establishes that on July 29th, around 11 am, the Tesla—a daily driver for Burke, now dirty and damaged—was parked in its final location (Steve Fisher, 07:50).
  • The Tesla had moved only a block and a half but appeared to have been sitting unused for weeks.

“It moved to that last spot on July 29th at about 11 something in the morning. ... It had not been used in a long time. They had clearly just been moving it around different areas of the neighborhood.”
— Steve Fisher (07:50)

3. Video Evidence and Driver Identity

[10:48–11:23], [24:07–26:21]

• The surveillance footage shows the Tesla coming from the direction of Burke’s mansion, but Fisher will not name the driver, citing client confidentiality (Steve Fisher, 24:07–25:29).
• Fisher confirms a clear image of the person driving the Tesla on July 29th, stating:

"I can identify the person from when they drove within four or five feet of the camera.”
— Steve Fisher (24:25)

• The window was rolled down despite the car containing a body, likely due to the overwhelming odor (26:03–26:21).

4. Celeste’s Disappearance Timeline

[22:19–23:15]

• According to family sources and panelists, Celeste had left home about a year earlier, returned several times, but had not been seen by her family for at least six months prior to being found (Katie Forrester, 22:35).
• The last confirmed sighting of Celeste alive is an August 4th concert, wearing the same outfit she was found in.

5. Suspicious Actions & Gaps in Behavior

[18:02–18:54], [19:10–20:31]

• D4VD (Burke) never reported his Tesla or Celeste missing, although he was apparently close to her (Katie Forrester, 18:44/18:50).
• Discussion around public relations: If innocent, why not be proactive and transparent? (Rob Shooter, 15:45–17:02).

6. Legal Strategy and Public Silence

[29:13–31:38]

• Defense and PR experts clash:
  • PR view: If you're innocent, tell your story.
  • Legal view: Say nothing, let police build a case; "right now, they don't have enough to prosecute him" (Randy Kessler, 30:18).
• The discussion turns heated regarding why Burke or his lawyer hasn't pushed for answers or is engaging with the investigation at all.

7. Condition of the Vehicle and Investigation Details

[33:09–36:00]

• Fisher reports that the Tesla, normally kept clean, was found extremely dirty and damaged—a sharp contrast to Burke’s other Tesla, kept in the garage.
• The car’s filthy and battered state ultimately prompted neighbors to report it as abandoned, leading to its towing (Steve Fisher, 35:40).

8. Timeline Coincidence: Car Movement & Burke’s Tour

[34:53–36:32]

• On the same evening as the Tesla is last moved, Burke embarks on his world tour—raising suspicions about the timing (Nancy Grace, 36:00).
• Legal experts note this is "a little bit of circumstantial evidence," not definitive, but useful (Randy Kessler, 36:23).

9. House Security, Drains, and Evidence Collection

[37:30–44:22]

• The house had a sophisticated internal/external security system, but it is unclear if the internal cameras were active—smoke detectors were covered, and the LAPD confiscated the DVR system (Steve Fisher, 37:43).
• Drains searched for evidence of blood; removal of computers and other items reported (Katie Forrester, 43:48).

10. Handling the Fallout: PR and Reputation

[41:46–42:51]

• Merchandise linked to Burke's brand, including “bloody shirt” items, was belatedly pulled in response to the investigation, underscoring missteps in PR management (Nancy Grace, 41:46).

“This should have been removed immediately. ... they fixed it, but it took them way too long.”
— Rob Shooter (42:11)

11. Autopsy & Cause of Death

[49:06–49:44]

• Celeste was found dismembered, but autopsy hasn’t clarified cause of death; toxicology and hidden trauma (e.g., strangulation) considered (Dr. Kendall Crowns, 49:06).

12. Legal Representation

[48:10–49:55]

• Burke hires Blair Burke, a high-profile defense attorney known for her work with notorious clients. Her appointment seen as a strategic move to manage the crisis and maintain silence.

"She is the go to person. She is discreet, she's private and she is who you want to get.”
— Randy Kessler (49:55)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• On Investigation Tactics:

“You cannot put Fisher up on the stand and say, what did the lawyer say to you? That's hearsay. And there's no exception.” — Nancy Grace (30:28)

• On the Disregard for the Victim:

"She could have been convinced that all of this was her decisions, but no one is talking about what was going on in that house." — Dr. John de la Torre (32:24)

• On Legal Strategy vs. Humanity:

“If my husband was decomposing in somebody's trunk, I would be jumping on their chest until I found out who drove the car there.”
— Nancy Grace (31:15)

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Key Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment | Details | |------------|---------------------------------------------|------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:46 | Episode opens on Celeste’s death | Nancy Grace frames the mystery and outlines early facts | | 07:50 | Bombshell Timeline | Steve Fisher establishes the key date: July 29th, 11am | | 18:44–18:54| "Lightning round"—crucial confirmations | D4VD never reported Tesla or Celeste missing (Katie Forrester) | | 24:25 | Key Evidence: Face-shot of Tesla driver | Steve Fisher details the captured image on surveillance | | 26:21 | Decomp Odor Analysis | Dr. Crowns discusses inevitable smells and their implications | | 34:53 | Car moved right before Burke's tour | Suspicious timing highlighted | | 35:40 | Car reported as abandoned | Neighbor calls in, leading to vehicle’s discovery | | 37:43 | House security system details | Fisher discusses cameras and possible tampering inside the rental mansion | | 41:46 | Bloody merch pulled from Burke's site | PR fallout intensifies | | 43:48 | Forensic search details | Drains, computers seized; questions about evidence collection methods | | 47:32 | Funeral—Burke did not attend | Dr. de la Torre expresses skepticism at the lack of public compassion | | 49:06 | Autopsy speculation | Dr. Crowns weighs in: cause of death remains unclear | | 49:55 | New defense attorney Blair Burke appointed | Randy Kessler affirms her skill and discretion |

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Tone & Speaker Style

• Nancy Grace: Relentless, prosecutorial, emotionally direct. Demands answers, presses panelists, and refuses to let legal/PR euphemisms pass unchallenged.
• Steve Fisher: Careful, fact-focused; withholds direct accusation out of legal obligation, but insists he has definitive evidence.
• Rob Shooter (PR): Offers pragmatic, if sometimes uncomfortable, publicity tactics; emphasizes "the story."
• Randy Kessler (Legal): Cautious; advises silence and strategy over transparency, often in tension with Nancy.
• Dr. Kendall Crowns (ME): Clinical, detailed, direct about decomposition and forensics.
• Katie Forrester (Journalist): Detail-oriented, swift confirmations and reporting.

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Conclusion

Nancy Grace’s episode wove together damning circumstantial evidence, PR missteps, and legal strategy surrounding the shocking death of Celeste in D4VD’s Tesla. A private investigator’s surveillance timeline puts the car in its final location right before Burke’s world tour, likely with Celeste’s body inside. Tension mounts as no one close to Burke seeks out answers, PR and legal remedies conflict, and the victim’s humanity is repeatedly emphasized amidst procedural wrangling. At episode’s close, the investigation remains active, with critical questions about Celeste’s cause of death—and the truth behind her tragic end—unanswered.

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Transcript

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See mintmobile.com Crime Stories with Nancy Grace A private investigator drops a bombshell in a new probe in teen girl Celeste. Her body her decomposing body found in the singer D4VD aka David Anthony Burke's Tesla. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. Celeste is found dead in the trunk of his Tesla. Her body was advanced state of decomposure. Who would have a motive to kill her?

[Dr. Kendall Crowns]

It's obviously a homicide.

[Nancy Grace]

A private investigator says that after amassing ring, doorbell cam and other cam from all around the neighborhood he knows who and When D4VD aka David Anthony Burks Tesla was moved. Do I care about the Tesla? No. Do I care who put the Tesla There or moved it? Yes, because I believe that person had knowledge that Celeste's body, a little girl, was decomposing in the trunk. If he knows that, certainly the LAPD knows that. Listen.

[Steve Fisher]

Mladin Trivunovic, the owner of the home Burke was renting for $20,000 a month, has hired a private investigator, Steve Fisher, to try and find out what was happen in the home he owns. Fisher was hired shortly after a forced search entry. Search warrant was served at the home. Nobody was home when police served a search warrant.

[Nancy Grace]

The LAPD says Celeste had been deceased for weeks before being discovered in Burke's Tesla.

[Dr. John de la Torre]

Private investigator Steve Fisher says he has seen surveillance video from neighbor homes and knows exactly when the Tesla was last.

[Nancy Grace]

Moved and who moved it to the.

[Dr. John de la Torre]

Location from where it was towed in very late July.

[Nancy Grace]

And the only way to amass that information, to gather it, is from the cams in the neighborhood. Listen.

[Steve Fisher]

Surveillance cameras in the Hollywood Hills build a complete timeline showing when Burke's Tesla was parked on Bluebird Avenue, who parked it, and whether anything was placed in the vehicle after it was parked. There's also no evidence indicating Celeste's body was transferred into the Tesla after it was parked on the street.

[Nancy Grace]

And we are learning so much more. For instance, apparently the Tesla on the street was the one that David Anthony Burke, aka Berk D4VD, used mostly. But then another Tesla was in his garage and the Tesla on the street looked like it had been out in the elements. Joining me in all star panel, but first joining us tonight, the private investigator that says he knows who moved the car and when. Joining me right now, private investigator Steve Fisher. He's been on the case from the very, very beginning. Missing persons private investigator, search and rescue specialist and owner of search investigations. He is the one hired by the Hollywood Hills property renter, The Leaser, where D4VD David Burke was living. Steve Fisher. First of all, how did you get hired on the case? How did that go down?

[Steve Fisher]

So I was originally looking into the case because I had another missing person's case. And we thought that that might be the female. And then once she was identified, we knew it wasn't. But I had accumulated some information and I had put out there publicly. And the owner got in touch with me, you know about that. And that's how it evolved.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay. The owner of the house or the manager who got in touch with you, the guy that owns the house, the.

[Steve Fisher]

Actual owner of the house, him and his wife.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay. You claim, Steve Fisher, that you know when the car, David Anthony Burke's car was parked there. That's important to me because I believe her body, Celeste's body, the little girl's body was already in the vehicle when it was parked.

[Steve Fisher]

Yeah, no, I agree with you. I think it was, too. It was. I'll tell you. It was July 29, and it was midday, mid morning. Or I should say. And I do know, you know, who it was that moved it right now saying who that is. But I'll tell you, it's not far. The area they moved in wasn't far.

[Nancy Grace]

Put him up. Steve Fisher. Have you heard the phrase word salad? It's like all the words jumbled up together. You might bite an onion or a tomato. I don't know what you just said. Okay? I know who hired you. I've gotten that far with you. Listen, I'm a JD not a dds. But you give me a set of pliers and I think I could pull your tooth. You've told me who hired you. You told me why you were hired. You were on another missing person's case. You amassed information from that neighborhood. You put it out there. Somebody saw that and hired you on this case. All right, you're not hired by D4VD, aka David. You're not hired by the guy that leased the house. I got that far with you. Let's back it up to right there. Repeat. You claim that you have amassed cam camera, video camera evidence from the neighborhood and that having looked at that, you've placed, you've pieced together a timeline. And you know when Burke's Tesla with a dead body in it, I think was first parked in the neighborhood? When was it first parked in the neighborhood?

[Steve Fisher]

It moved to that last spot on July 29th at about 11 something in the morning. And I'll tell you, it was in the same shape that we saw it in those tow photos where it was completely dirty and trashed. I could tell that they had run the windshield wiper once just so they could see out of it, and they had rolled the window down to move, even though they're moving about a block and a half. But it was in that condition still. So it had not been used in a long time. They had clearly been just moving it around different areas of the neighborhood.

[Nancy Grace]

To Randy Kessler, veteran trial lawyer, joining us at the Atlanta Jurisdiction, Emory law professor, former chair of the ABA American Bar Association Family Law Section, and author of Divorce Protect yourself, your kids, your future. Randy, have you ever had to have a witness, and it could be your witness declared a hostile witness on the stand I hate doing that. I don't mind doing it to the other side's witness. I do that all the time. But with my own witness, if I can't get an answer out of them, you ask the judge. Judge, I'd like the witness to be declared a hostile witness. What does that mean? I can then cross examine my own witness. Have you ever done that with your own witness?

[Randy Kessler]

You mean like you were just doing a Steve Fisher? Absolutely. It's sort of fun, right? Because.

[Nancy Grace]

Exactly.

[Randy Kessler]

You know, when you're direct examining, you're limited. You can only ask open ended questions, why did this happen? What happened? But on cross, if you can treat your own witness, the one that you know what they're going to say as hostile, it's wonderful because then you can say, isn't it true? And then we get to testify in essence. Right? You get to testify and say, didn't this happen? Didn't it go like this? Isn't this what happened? Because you know the facts.

[Steve Fisher]

You want to.

[Nancy Grace]

Yes. No answer. Kessler, I appreciate that, but have you ever had your own witness declared as a hostile witness?

[Randy Kessler]

Yes.

[Nancy Grace]

Amazing. Okay. You do that when the witness is refusing to answer your questions. You think you knew what they were going to do when they get on the stand. And this surprise, they don't. Okay, that in mind. Back to private investigator Steve Fisher. I did manage to get some information out of you that I didn't know. That being July 29th, 11am burks Tesla was moved to its last location, is that correct?

[Steve Fisher]

Correct.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, do you know where it was parked before that?

[Steve Fisher]

That I don't know because from the house that it was taken from is a little bit down the hill, but on the same street that the rental house is on.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, so you're telling me the Tesla that held Celeste's decomposing body is on the same. Was ultimately left on the same street where he was living.

[Steve Fisher]

It looked like he was coming from the rental house. I can't say for sure. But there's only a few houses on that street because that's like an off street and it would came down that road and was turning onto where you go up the Bluebird there, where it was left.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, are you telling me I'm having to interpret everything you're saying, Steve? Are you, you're talking private investigator talk. Are you telling me on a video you can see the Tesla coming from the direction of his house?

[Steve Fisher]

Yeah. So the road is curved and so the house that captured that is kind of at the base of the curve. So you can't see. You can see it coming down the road. You can't see exactly where it started. And you can't see the driveway of the rental house. It stops right before that. The camera angle does.

[Nancy Grace]

Wow. Okay, reminder D4VD aka David Anthony Burke is innocent. He hasn't been charged with anything.

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[Nancy Grace]

Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining me right now, PR guru to celebrities like D4VD David Anthony Burke. Rob Sheeter joining us, host of Naughty But Nice podcast, author of an upcoming novel. It Started with a Whisper. Excellent title. And you can find it at robsheeter.substack.com okay, Sheeter, I'm going to go into this in depth later, but other celebrities have actually gone on social media and said, wow, I want Burke D4VD's downloads. In this case, a dead body in your trunk can really hurt your reputation. So what do you make of how D4VD David Anthony Burke is going to get out of the fact that Fisher just dropped, like a bomb? He's got video of the Tesla coming around the curve from the direction of Burke's house, his mansion, and it's got the body in it. He's watched the video. He never sees the body or anything else being put in or taken out of the car. Hence, the body was already in the car and it's coming around from Burke's house. What are you gonna do with that? PR guru? Yeah, Nancy, put it on the front of Vogue.

[Rob Sheeter]

The only thing you can do in these situations if you are innocent is tell the truth. Lawyers hate that. Lawyers hate it when publicists get involved. But here, they're not just fighting for their legal, Their legal future, but also their professional, their reputation. And so we would encourage them, if they were innocent, to tell their side of the story, to get that out now. So it's very, very tricky here. You have to sit with your client, you have to have a really serious conversation, and they have to basically tell you, are they innocent? Are they guilty? And if they are innocent, then he's got an amazing story to tell. Everything here looks really bad for him. However, if this is awesome, terrible, crazy misunderstanding. This is an amazing story. And so if he can tell that, then he'll be okay. But once again, he has to be innocent.

[Nancy Grace]

I had to hear your whole spiel before I jumped in. Some quote, terrible misunderstanding. Control room, can you show me a photo of this little girl, Celeste? Okay, she's dead and dismembered and decomposing in his trunk. And you just call that a terrible misunderstanding?

[Rob Sheeter]

What I call the terrible misunderstanding is him being blamed for this. That's what is the terrible misunderstanding here. If indeed he is innocent. This young girl who is dead, who is decomposing in the back of a fancy Tesla, that is not a terrible misunderstanding. That is an absolute disgrace and we've got to get to the bottom of it. But we haven't got there yet, Nancy. And so maybe, just maybe there's a chance that he didn't do it. And if he didn't, he should tell us everything right now.

[Nancy Grace]

You know, Rob Shooter, you can really hurt your crotch when you're riding the fence that way. Okay. Just be careful of that. Katie Forrester joining me right now, Assistive Exclusives Editor, USA Son, let's follow up on Shooter's terrible misunderstanding. Comment A rapid fire, Katie. A, thank you for being with us tonight. And B, did D4VD David Anthony Burke ever report his Tesla missing?

[Katie Forrester]

That is the main thing that I found very interesting. And also not just the Tesla, but you know, if he was in a relationship with Celeste and he hadn't heard from her in months, weeks, you know, obviously she was a teen runaway, but he never reported that either. I think it is very interesting. You know, if you, if you were this close to this girl, whether she was a friend, whether she was a partner, you think that he would be shouting from the rooftops, you know, where is she? And also, yes, the car as well.

[Nancy Grace]

Did you did hear me say lightning round, Right?

[Randy Kessler]

Lightning.

[Steve Fisher]

No.

[Nancy Grace]

Right. Okay. Yes. No. Did he ever report his Tesla missing?

[Katie Forrester]

Absolutely not.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay. Did he ever report Celeste missing?

[Katie Forrester]

Absolutely not.

[Nancy Grace]

So, you know, back to you, Shooter. Suddenly she's gone and he doesn't report her missing or his Tesla missing. How do you again fluff that up and make it all glossy for the front office? In touch the Inquirer. What? How do you fix it?

[Rob Sheeter]

She has a history of running away. This is somebody who, who left many, many relationships, many, many lives. And so this is a troubled person. And that is not, not blaming the victim here, Nancy, at all. But this is somebody who has a history of making erratic decisions. That's how it is going to be presented. It's going to be presented like he was her mentor, that he was looking out for her. And one day he got up and she disappeared. And as upset as he was about that, he didn't, he didn't think this was that unusual. It's a, it's a very tricky argument. I'm not saying it's going to work, but that's what they're going to do. That's how they're going to position it.

[Nancy Grace]

And that is why all the stars hire Rob Shooter as their PR guru. Okay, back to Steve Fisher. Fisher, I didn't forget about you. Steve Fisher is a very high profile Private investigator who was investigating another missing person's case and somehow landed in the middle of the Celeste investigation. So, so far I've gotten out of view tonight that the Tesla ultimately with Celeste's body in it, was moved to the last location, July 29, 11am in a trash condition, like it had been out in the elements, driving through the desert or mud bugging, right?

[Steve Fisher]

Yeah, it is in horrible condition. Same condition that you see in the photos.

[Nancy Grace]

You also told me that you saw video of the car coming around the curve from the direction of Burke's mansion and parking. Is that correct?

[Steve Fisher]

That's correct.

[Nancy Grace]

What day did you see that it was on?

[Steve Fisher]

July 29th.

[Nancy Grace]

Steve Fisher, did you see any cam video camera video of any nature that showed the Tesla parked in that area prior to July 29?

[Steve Fisher]

I have seen the images that I obtained from the Department of Transportation on the day it was ticketed and towed, which was September 5th. And then I have seen a video that shows it in May of 2025. Very clean, but actually parked on that Bluebird, the one where it was ultimately towed from, but it was clean at that time.

[Nancy Grace]

Could you give me those dates again, please? The dates that you observe the car parked on that street. Go ahead.

[Steve Fisher]

First time I've seen it parked was May of 2025. There's a video of it parked on Bluebird, which is the same street that it was ultimately towed from. And then the other imagery I have is from the Department of Transportation, which are those images you're showing now that I obtained when they took, when they towed it, just to document, you know, the towing. And then I do have one from earlier in January where the car is parked in front of the rental house. It shows that it's very clean, but does have that rear damage already, the large dent in the back of the car.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay, got it. So you're saying May 2025 is the earliest you can place the car on the street, street in that neighborhood. But to you, Katie Forester, when do we believe. When did Celeste drop off the map? When was the last time she was actually seen by someone?

[Katie Forrester]

So it's actually quite hard to tell, but she went missing a year prior. And then, as far as I know, because I spoke to family, she did come back two or three times, but we think that she was missing from her family home for at least six months before she was found dead. So, yeah, quite a long time.

[Nancy Grace]

Dave Mack, we have shown over and over the photo of Celeste, this little teen girl, age 13, at a concert in the Friend and Family Area. If we could pull up that video, please. As I recall, that was August the fourth, is that correct?

[Steve Fisher]

Yes, ma', am. Dead on. That was in August in maryland.

[Nancy Grace]

This from clipsofdavid on TikTok. How could somebody put a then 13 year old little girl in a trunk and leave the car there for weeks on end? Celeste's body was found in a black tube top and ripped jeans. You could smell the trunk as you approached the Tesla. Her body found in a black tube top and ripped jeans. The same outfit she has on August 4th at the D4VD David Burke concert. So I'm trying to narrow down the timeline, Fisher. That's what I'm doing here. Now I'd like to understand, you saw a person emerge from the Tesla. I assume that was July 29th at 11am you saw a person get out of the Tesla?

[Steve Fisher]

No, I didn't see them get out of this. So they drove by in, you know, they drove by the camera in the Tesla. I could tell who it was, but then they're too far out of range, you know, when they hit the parking spot. So I can identify the person from when they drove within four or five feet of the camera.

[Nancy Grace]

Wow, that's even much better. So you're telling me it's not the person getting in or out of the Tesla. They drive by a cam and that's July 29, correct?

[Steve Fisher]

Correct.

[Nancy Grace]

And you get a face shot, Is that correct?

[Steve Fisher]

A face shot. And because the Tesla is so, you know, has so many windows, the upper body in the. They're wearing something very distinctive.

[Nancy Grace]

Reminder, D4VD, aka David Anthony Burke is innocent. He hasn't been charged with anything. So let me ask you this, Steve Fisher, Are you familiar with all of the people that work with and for Burke, you know what they look like?

[Steve Fisher]

I do now. I didn't, you know, at that time. But the main players I certainly become very familiar with. There's a lot of photos of them. We came into a lot of media of them that was left at the house.

[Nancy Grace]

Fisher, why won't you divulge who was driving the Tesla ostensibly with Celeste's body in the trunk?

[Steve Fisher]

I'll tell you. I would like to. I'll be honest with you, but by statute, I cannot unless I have my client's permission. That's just something I'm a regulation that I'm bound by. And right now they want to give LAPD a little bit more time. If it was up to me, I would put it out there because it's been seven weeks and I don't understand why at least the concealment charge can't, it can't be dropped by this time and you can always stack charges on top of that. So I don't, I don't agree with it. I would put it out if it was up to me.

[Nancy Grace]

You mentioned you got a clear picture of the driver's face. Was the window rolled down?

[Steve Fisher]

It was rolled down and they were only going a block and a half. It was 77 degrees. And the car, if it was parked in front of the rental house, it was in the shade. So I don't understand why they'd have the window down like that.

[Nancy Grace]

And obviously to Dr. Kendall Crowns, joining us, chief medical examiner, Tarrant county, the host of a new podcast, Mayhem in the Morgue. He is an esteemed lecturer at the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU. Dr. Kendall crowns by that point, with a decomposing body in the car, in the trunk, the frunk. The Tesla has a trunk in the front. I think I know why they roll down the window. Dr. Crowns.

[Dr. Kendall Crowns]

Yeah, so there's going to be March decomposition, the bodies in the trunk or the frunk or whatever you call the thing, from sometime in July to all the way in December. So there's going to be green discoloration, bloating of the body, purging of fluids or fluids coming out of the mouth and other orifices. It's going to be attracting insects. I'm sure the front isn't completely sealed, and that's going to create even more decomposition. So there's going to be a lot of odors emitting from that vehicle.

[Nancy Grace]

I find it very difficult to believe, Randy Kessler, veteran defense attorney, that whoever was driving that Tesla that Fisher won't divulge could not smell the overwhelming odor of decomposition. And yet they just left the car there.

[Randy Kessler]

I agree. But they could also say, you know, it's California, it's beautiful, I want to put the windows down. There's all. There are alternate explanations which defense lawyers will of course use here.

[Nancy Grace]

You're seeing a demonstration by Scott Eicher. He did for us with his daughter, who is about the same height and weight of Celeste. Yet the person who dropped the car off, Steve Fisher, clearly able to smell the decomposition of little Celeste in the trunk, just left the car there. But yet you won't divulge who it was.

[Steve Fisher]

I think we're getting very close. I'm hoping they want to give, you know, my client wants to give LAPD a little bit more time, and I have to go by that it was up to you. I've listened. I'm very much a person. I put information out there and to try and get people to. To get nervous and make statements and stuff. So if it was up to me, it would be out there. It's just not my decision 100%, you know, but I.

[Nancy Grace]

Well, Steve, let me ask you another question. I understand you're not telling me. Fine. Steve, have Celeste's family called you, or has D4VD David Burke called you and said, who parked the car with her body in it? Who have they called and asked?

[Steve Fisher]

No, nobody has. And I'm kind of surprised by that. I would love to talk to Celeste's family about this and even the person that. Listen, I've gotten zero calls from anybody on David's side or left side.

[Nancy Grace]

Randy Kessler joining us. Defense attorney out of Atlanta, Randy Kessler. Wouldn't he call Steve Fisher and go, you got that video? Who was driving my car? Was celestial body in it? Tell me. Don't you think he would want to know?

[Randy Kessler]

I think it's the exact opposite of what Rob Shooter told you, which is, you know, tell your innocence. Try to figure it out. If you're innocent. Lawyers are telling him, don't do anything. Make them prove their case, whatever the situation is. Even if you care about this girl and you love her and you want to make sure.

[Nancy Grace]

What case? What make. Make the LAPD prove what case?

[Randy Kessler]

The potential cases they're going to prove, or they're going to indict, or they're going to charge, or they're going to arrest David, or they're going to try to make it seem that he's. Anything this entertainer says or anything anyone on his behalf says is going to be used against him. Right now, he's in a world of trouble. Reputation wise, maybe freedom wise. I think he's doing what he's supposed to do, which is just not say Chancellor.

[Nancy Grace]

I find that very misleading. No, I find it misleading.

[Randy Kessler]

Oh, how many times have you heard a lawyer say, I don't care how innocent you are, you don't say a word. Because saying something might make it worse than it is right now. Right now, they don't have enough to prosecute him.

[Nancy Grace]

That's not what I'm talking about, okay? I'm talking about this. He didn't have to do it. He could have his lawyer do it. That's not going to come into evidence. You cannot put Fisher up on the stand and say, what did the lawyer say to you? That's hearsay. And there's no exception.

[Randy Kessler]

I don't want any more intercession.

[Nancy Grace]

So why not have his lawyer call and say, hey, who was driving his car?

[Randy Kessler]

Because it creates a conversation, it creates innuendo, it creates implications, it creates connection.

[Nancy Grace]

I love your Hail Mary. Did you play football? Because he absolutely can have his lawyer call and say, who was driving my car.

[Randy Kessler]

Why?

[Nancy Grace]

That would not come into evidence unless David said it himself.

[Rob Sheeter]

Why?

[Randy Kessler]

Why even start the conversation? Why not wait until they. They're going to come out and they're going to say, can I tell you this much?

[Nancy Grace]

If my husband was decomposing in somebody's trunk, I would be jumping on their chest until I found out who drove the car there.

[Randy Kessler]

Right, but if you were under suspicion and possibly going to be charged with crime, I would tell you not to.

[Nancy Grace]

Because I guarantee you I'm not going to kill him.

[Randy Kessler]

Well, nobody's gonna tell me. It's a great talk.

[Nancy Grace]

You're talking crazy talk right now. I gotta have a strength. Dr. De la Torre, with me. Dr. John de la Torre, psychologist, mediator, specializing in forensic psychology. Dr. De la Torre, did you just hear everything that Rob Shooter and Randy Kessler said? All the big misunderstanding, the little problem of the dead girl decomposing and dismembered, I'd like to add, in a bag, a trash bag in a trunk. Shooter called that a little misunderstanding that Burke should explain away, since he's obviously innocent. And you heard Kessler say, why should he call and inquire about who may have done this?

[Dr. John de la Torre]

Yeah, I think those are the perspectives of professionals who are trained to act in a certain arena based on the court of public opinion or the court of law. But no one is talking about Celeste. She was 13 years old. I don't like this idea that she's declared a teen runaway. There's clearly something going on with her. She's 13 years old when all of this stuff is. Is happening. She could have been convinced that all of this was her decisions, but no one is talking about what was going on in that house. Why was she there? Why weren't any of David's friends saying, hey, this girl's way too young. We need to put her back with her parents. And now she's was left to. To. To.

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To rot. To literally to rot. That's what she was left to do. Because that's how little all of these people thought about her.

[Steve Fisher]

The Tesla owned by Burke had been his daily driver for a long time, regularly getting the car cleaned inside and out. However, when the Tesla was towed it was dirty with body damage. PI Fisher says it looked like the car had been off road in the desert without wheel wells beat up and a huge dent in the back. While his former daily drive sits dirty by the curb for weeks, Burke keeps a clean red Tesla in the garage.

[Nancy Grace]

Reminder. D4VD, aka David Anthony Burke is innocent. He hasn't been charged with anything. There is a dead body in there 150ft away from his house. This is a car containing his girlfriend's allegedly dead, dismembered body.

[Steve Fisher]

Bloody remains are found in a vehicle registered two.

[Nancy Grace]

Yet you continue on this world tour.

[Steve Fisher]

Like nothing was found in your car.

[Nancy Grace]

And speaking of the world tour that David Anthony Burke, aka D4VD David embarked upon to Steve Fisher, the private investigator who has amassed home security, surveillance ring, camera, you name it, and has identified the last time the Tesla was moved with Celeste's body in it, we believe was July 29th around 11am he also clearly saw the face of the driver, which he is not divulging. Let me ask you about the timeline, Steve Fisher. How long was the Tesla parked on the street for the last time before Burke left for his tour?

[Steve Fisher]

From the time it was moved to that last spot, which is on bluebird. So on July 29th when I saw it, that was like 11 in the morning. Later that evening they begin the tour and they actually leave that evening for San Francisco for the first show.

[Nancy Grace]

So apparently Steve Fisher in that neighborhood when you leave, it's a pretty nice neighborhood. The mansions are worth millions of dollars. When you leave a filthy, disgusting car or any car parked on the street in front of one of those houses, that homeowner gets very irritated to have a nasty car or a junk car sitting in front of their lot. Right. Their multi million dollar mansion. So you can't leave a car abandoned for very long or it's going to get towed. Would you agree with that?

[Steve Fisher]

Yeah, and I talked to the person who actually called it in and that's exactly why it, it's not so much how long it was left there as the condition it was left in. And they felt it was abandoned because of the body damage and it was accumulating dirt. If the car had been cleaned, it probably would not have been called in, but they felt that it was abandoned and that's when they called Department of Transportation.

[Nancy Grace]

So what do you make of that, Randy Kessler? That the very night that Burke is leaving on a world tour, they just have to move that car one last time to just put off for maybe a day, two days, three days before it gets reported in front of somebody's yard and gets towed just one last time before he leaves on tour.

[Randy Kessler]

I think that is a little bit of circumstantial evidence and you are not going to get a conviction based on that. But it helps the prosecution a little tiny bit.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay. So you may agree that it is circumstantial evidence that the state could use. That's what I took from the takeaway from what you just said.

[Steve Fisher]

Yes.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay. Everything is not circumstantial evidence. But I got what I wanted. I want to move forward with that thought. The fact of the coincidence that he leaves for tour that night and the car is moved one last time, pushing forward the eventual towing straight back out to special guest joining us, Katie Forrester with exclusives editor at the US Sun. Jump in, Katie.

[Katie Forrester]

Well, I think it's interesting that you can't drag a body down the street. So, I mean, we are waiting for the cause of death and that's going to be the main thing. I think that's going to switch this investigation. Was she strangled? Was it accidental? You know, I think things are going to really shift when that comes out.

[Nancy Grace]

See, Fisher, I find it very difficult to believe that in a home where this a home that costs this much and has outdoor cameras that there were not interior cameras like nanny cams. Did you see any?

[Steve Fisher]

The house has a really sophisticated security system, including cameras inside, but the owner left it up to the person who leased the house to what they enable or not. And I know that LAPD has taken the cameras and the DVR system, but on the smoke detectors in the house, they were covered. So I don't know if they had also covered the cameras. And LAPD is not informing us what may or may not be on cameras or if they were even enabled.

[Nancy Grace]

D4VD, aka David Anthony Burke is innocent. He hasn't been charged.

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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You know another issue that has just happened straight back out to Rob Shooter, PR guru, upcoming novel. It started with a whisper on Amazon, host of Naughty But Nice podcast and you can find him at robsheeter.substack.com sheeter in the last days, D4VD David, aka David Anthony Burke has had all of the bloody shirt merchandise pulled. You can't get it anymore. You remember when Kanye, I'm afraid to say his name, it may conjure him up, had shirts with swastikas on them. Remember that PR nightmare?

[Rob Sheeter]

I do remember it.

[Steve Fisher]

Mm.

[Nancy Grace]

And now this. What took them? So who is helping this guy, for Pete's sake? What took them so long to pull the bloody shirts? Now there's a rumor online. Not true. That he had mixed Celeste's blood in the paint to make those shirts. That's ghoulish. Not true. Go ahead.

[Rob Sheeter]

Yeah it's awful. This should have been removed immediately. But we have to remember here, he is not a superstar. This is somebody who's pretty early on in their career. They probably don't have the very best people around them yet. I, I've worked with a lot of celebrities and when they start out in their careers, they don't have the people, the top notch people on their teams yet, primarily because they can't afford them, they don't have access to them. So his career was still in the beginning phases here. So whoever's advising him probably isn't that experienced. But this should have been removed immediately. It wasn't. Eventually they fixed that. I think ultimately they did the right thing, but it took them way too long.

[Nancy Grace]

Reminder D4VD, aka David Anthony Burke is innocent. He hasn't been charged with anything. This little girl, just 13 years old. When she goes missing. She had been living with this grown man. She's been gone over a year with him and now she's dead. Well, that's an all star panel. And now we are learning that there were farm implements found in Burke's mansion that were left there, were not seized by police. Things that you would normally expect to find in someone's home. What are they? We don't know yet. Joining me, as I said, an all star panel, Dr. Kendall Crowns. We also understand, is this right, Katie Forrester, that the drains were searched in the home? That's the bathtub drains, the sink drains for blood evidence.

[Katie Forrester]

Yes. And there were photographs of them leaving the house with a computer with other bits of evidence. But I think it was only on one day. It seemed very swift. So I don't know whether they managed.

[Nancy Grace]

To get a lot, you know, Dr. Kendall crowns. I would have thought that that type of investigation would take a lot longer when you are breaking down the sinks and the drains and bathtubs, bathroom sinks, kitchen sinks, utility sinks, laundry room sinks. That, that would take a while. We know, we were told anyway, that the drains were searched. How does that happen, Dr. Crowns?

[Dr. Kendall Crowns]

So they can disassemble the bathroom sinks, as you were saying, or the kitchen sinks, pulling out the piping. And then they can pull out the drain plugs in the bathtubs or showers and look down in them with flashlights and things of that nature. Usually good investigators can be very efficient and quick at doing these things. So it probably didn't take them a lot of time.

[Nancy Grace]

Okay. I don't know about you, Dr. Crowns, but I would like to go to a scene and just sit there and drink it in before I started searching. It would take me a very long time to process a scene even in my own mind, much less for evidence. But if you say so, Rob. Shudder. Joining us, PR guru to the stars, author of It Started With a Whisper on Amazon Shooter. That's the last, last thing you need are to have CSI taking the drains out of your bathtub. That's not a good look. But that said, between the drains being searched, this video being amassed, you still don't think David Burke should say anything? Not even, I'm sorry, sorry that Celeste has gone on to heaven. I miss her. Nothing?

[Rob Sheeter]

Absolutely, yes. Every publicist that works with a star that gets in trouble wants them to sit down and tell their side of the story. However, lawyers really get involved here and say, absolutely not. There's always a fight within the celebrity circle between the lawyers and the publicists. I think absolutely, there should be a statement. There should be, there should be an interview. If you're innocent, you're going to want to tell your side of the story. However, you also too, want to make sure anything you say doesn't get used against you. And so lawyers are going to be telling him not to do anything at the moment. They're going to let the evidence speak. And that's certainly painting a really, really bad story. And so we also have to remember too, Nancy, friends of mine who own Teslas, they're some of the most sophisticated cars in the world. They have computers within those cars which tell you precisely where that car has been over the last several months. So it's not just inside the house, it's what's happening in the computer of that car that's going to really tie this case together.

[Nancy Grace]

If that USB is still, if the stick is still in the car, it can be taken out, which is a big question to me. The Tesla, the sophistication of their security in the Tesla is amazing. But that US stick can be taken out that records all of that. So many unanswered questions. But I also understand, and is this a good look or a bad look? Let me go to Dr. John de la Torre. The funeral for little Celeste went down and for all intents and purposes, we have not heard a word that Burke showed up at the funeral. I find that very odd since he had been living with the little girl.

[Dr. John de la Torre]

I find it odd, too. I think there are many people who would say, well, you can't show up for various reasons. But I think ultimately, if you really had. Right, if David really had her best interest, Celeste's best interest, in his heart, I think he would have shown up. I think it would have taken the opportunity to be in front of the family to say I was really trying to mentor her. I understood that she had all these. I really had her best interest. So I think that there's a lot of other things that are compelling him not to do it as opposed to just the altruistic aspect, which I don't think actually existed.

[Nancy Grace]

Anyway, what else are we learning tonight? Katie Forrester? We are learning that D4VD Burke has hired a high profile defense attorney. His name is Blair Burke. He represented Harvey Weinstein, Lindsay Lohan, Kanye West, Mel Gibson, Britney Spears. So that's in the works. A rumor flooded the Internet that he had been arrested. There was even a fake mugshot. That's not true. That did not happen. As of right now, David Anthony Burke is presumed innocent. He hasn't been charged with anything. This investigation could go any number of ways. We don't know how Celeste died. We know that she was dismembered. But how does she die? That is the key to this case and to you, Dr. Kendall crowns. Will we ever know how she died?

[Dr. Kendall Crowns]

Well, it depends. If the toxicology comes back and is negative for drugs, they may have findings that they, they found at autopsy that they're not wanting to disclose yet because there's still an ongoing investigation. It probably wasn't something obvious like a gunshot wound to the head or a stab wound to the chest. Maybe something more subtle like a strangulation that they couldn't fully interpret just from the decompositional findings. But they're waiting on seeing what the toxicology show. But I'm sure they have something that they probably have in mind. But they're just waiting until they have all the results back before they pull the the trigger.

[Nancy Grace]

Randy Kessler, high profile defense attorney out of Atlanta jurisdiction. You have worked with Blair Burke before. What's her deal? She ain't. I know that much.

[Randy Kessler]

She is the go to person. She is discreet, she's private and she is who you want to get. And you just hope she has time for you when you call her. She will handle this case. And I think that's why you're not hearing anything from the he's not a suspect, he's not a person of interest, but from the person that we are sort of talking about that maybe will be accused. So far so good. Why say anything and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory right now? There's been no charges, no arrest. She's going to keep it that way.

[Nancy Grace]

Reminder D4VD, aka David Anthony Burke is innocent. He hasn't been charged with anything. The investigation into the death of little girl Celeste is ongoing. If you know or think you know anything about any what happened to Celeste, please dial 213-486-6890. Repeat 213-486-6890. We remember American hero Sergeant Leonard Davis, New York City PD killed in the line of duty after 21 years, leaving behind a distraught and devastated brother Anthony. American hero sergeant Leonard Davis Nancy Grace signing off. Goodbye friend.

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