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Nancy Grace Commentary
He had it all. A beautiful wife, children, a gorgeous home, a TV star. But what did he do? Try to arrange. Well, correction. Arrange sex with minors and transporting them across state lines to do it.
Narrator/Reporter
Jared Fogle has been charged and has admitted to participating in a five year criminal scheme to exploit children.
Nancy Grace Commentary
Wow. Subway Sandwich Pitch man, AKA TV star Jared Fogle. Wait till you hear this.
Narrator/Reporter
Fogle admitted that he repeatedly traveled from Indiana to New York to engage in commercial sex acts with victims he knew to be children.
Nancy Grace Commentary
I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us. So where is the Subway guy pitch man, multimillionaire Jared Fogle. Now, remember, he was always on TV talking about how he lost 200 pounds by only eating Subway sandwiches. Remember that? And you would see him behind the counter making sandwiches out of fresh vegg, veggies and lean meats. Oh, gosh, it's making me hungry. Just think about it. The Subway sandwich and the fresh veggies. Not about him. That is not making me hungry. His wholesome image crashed when he was accused of sex, abusing and exploiting children. He made so much money appearing in ads for the Subway franchise for over a decade. Ouch. But then he had to admit to having sex with at least two minors. You know what? Let me rephrase. That's called statutory rape. And getting child porn of at least 12 others. Yeah. Guess where he is now. Are you sitting down? Okay. He has a massive behind bar sentence and he is now serving time at the Englewood Fed Correctional Institution, Littleton, Colorado. He's been attacked more than once behind bars, but right now he is a prison chef. Yes, he is a prison chef. He is working in the kitchen. How appropriate. But that's not what he always did. Let's jog our recollection.
Nancy Grace
Listen to Fogel himself.
Jared Fogle
You must go crazy with your travels because you get to go into all the different schools you know all the things like that. I want you to. I mean, I'm sure you have a lot of stories. I want you to tell me.
Nancy Grace Commentary
Some.
Jared Fogle
Of them so that, I don't know, it just. I like to.
Jared Fogle Accomplice/Associate
Yeah. Especially some of the middle schools. I love the middle schools. And they're old and starting to get, you know.
Jennifer Zukowski
Yeah.
Jared Fogle Accomplice/Associate
Because you know how much I love big. You know. I love you. What's that?
Jared Fogle
Well, you know, kids are maturing faster nowadays.
Nancy Grace Commentary
I know.
Jared Fogle Accomplice/Associate
Which I love, and that's what I think is wonderful with you, is that you're able to get in early. You know, I mean, you could totally, you know, you could totally win them over, which is what I love.
Jared Fogle
You like that?
Jared Fogle Accomplice/Associate
I do love that.
Jared Fogle
Tell me. Well, you have to tell me how to do that.
Jared Fogle Accomplice/Associate
You know, just talk to them, just get to know them, just everything. And just, you know, do a little touchy feely things with them, you know, make them feel good. It's a little more touchy feeling. A little more touchy feeling. A little more touchy feeling. It's that kind of stuff.
Jared Fogle
Yeah.
Podcast Host
Okay.
Jared Fogle Accomplice/Associate
I think that would be amazing.
Jared Fogle
What age seems to be the easiest.
Jared Fogle Accomplice/Associate
I don't know, like, you know, early middle school is probably one of the best.
Podcast Host
Yeah.
Jared Fogle Accomplice/Associate
You know, they don't know if they're coming or going. I could see you a young mid 6th, 7th grader, you know this.
Jared Fogle
And they're. They're. They'd be all right with that.
Jared Fogle Accomplice/Associate
What's that?
Jared Fogle
Need to find out how, if they'd.
Podcast Host
Be all right with that.
Jennifer Zukowski
All right.
Jared Fogle Accomplice/Associate
No, they'd definitely be all right with that. They're very much exploring and, you know, just a matter of getting them on.
Jared Fogle
Your side, you know, and that's what. I'm just curious. I don't know how to. How to do that. Just be friendly to them.
Jared Fogle Accomplice/Associate
Yeah, just be friendly to them. Just do what you normally would do, baby. You're so friendly anyway.
Jared Fogle
Mm.
Jared Fogle Accomplice/Associate
You know, now we just sort of go from there. We take anything. It's all case by case, you know, there's no. There's no right way, wrong way, whatever.
Nancy Grace
You know, I actually feel nauseous hearing that. Cheryl McCollum, Cold Case Research Institute Director I have tried a lot of child molestation cases, but typically, the defendant did not take the stand because they knew.
Nancy Grace Commentary
I would chew them a new tail.
Nancy Grace
Hole on cross examination. So it's very rare you actually get to hear the perv speaking. That was tapes played on my friend Dr. Field's show. They were tapes obtained by Rochelle Herman Warand, a woman who befriended Jared Fogle and then took these secret tapes. So, Cheryl, we are hearing him in his unfiltered state talking about how he likes little middle school girls. That's like fourth grade girls, Nancy.
Cheryl McCollum
The fear is when this person is released, their sexual attraction is the same. And that is what people in power do not understand. If you are attracted to sixth grade girls, that does not go away. If you are attracted to 5 year old boy, that does not go away any more than whatever your sexual attraction is. If you think Halle Berry is sexy, she's gonna be sexy whether you go to counseling or not. To you, this is a large problem where people think, oh, send them to counseling, send them to prison, then they'll learn their lesson. No, if I see a commercial with Matthew McConaughey, that man is fine as hell. Nancy, there ain't no amount of counselors gonna change my mind about that. Believe it. So if you've got somebody that is telling you straight up, I like middle school girls, keep his ass in prison.
Nancy Grace
Eloquently spoken, Cheryl. Eloquently spoken. With me is investigative reporter Jennifer Zukowski. Jennifer, what is this business about Jared Fogle getting out of prison? He just got put in prison, for Pete's sake.
Jennifer Zukowski
Yes, he did. And, you know, part of me thinks, does he just love being in the spotlight? And, you know, according to Reuters, he is trying to be released from the federal prison he's staying at in Colorado. He's claiming his guilty plea in the child pornography case was based on an illegal conspiracy charge and should be thrown out. So he's actually claiming that he wouldn't have pleaded guilty except for the improper charge and said being imprisoned is violating his due process under the United States Constitution. And, you know, the reason he's saying it was unlawful is because it included a charge of conspiracy, which he's saying is not covered by the text of a federal law concerning sexual misconduct involving minors. And there's really two parts to this, because TMZ is reporting that he's suing the judge and the prosecutors in the child pornography case for $57 million. And they're saying rather than trying to get out of prison, his focus is on a financial legal gain over the justice system department employees who put him away.
Nancy Grace
Whoa. So let me understand this. Did I, did I hear this correctly? To Sheryl McCollum? Did Jennifer Zagowski from Heavy.com just say that Jared Fogle is actually suing the prosecutors?
Nancy Grace Commentary
Is that right?
Cheryl McCollum
For 57 million, not 60, not 5557 million. That's an odd number. Just like his odd sexual behavior.
Narrator/Reporter
Hang on, it's not just the prosecutors.
Nancy Grace
Jared Fogle is also naming U.S. attorney.
Narrator/Reporter
General Jeff Sessions in his complaint, saying Sessions failed to correct a clear error. And for good measure, Fogel's blaming President Trump too.
Nancy Grace
You know, it never fails just to amaze me, this guy preying on young children and he's busted having them brought to his hotel room at the Plaza in New York City and the Lord only knows where else so he could have sex with children. And now he's suing. You heard me right. Dr. Chloe Carmichael, New York psychologist, founder of anxietytools.com Dr. Chloe I agree with Sheryl McCollum, but my knowledge of this is anecdotal. I'm not a doctor, I'm not a shrink, I'm a jd, not an md. But every person I've ever seen that child molested or statutory raped, that was an adult. I mean, there are the few exceptions for a 17 year old boy will be with a 15 year old girl and it's construed as child rape. I'm talking about adult adults with children. I've never seen an instance where that was, quote, cured. That's a crime. That's pedophilia.
Nancy Grace Commentary
That is a crime.
Nancy Grace
I agree with Cheryl. You can't go to jail a get quote, cured.
Podcast Host
Well, Nancy, I can certainly see why you would feel that way. And I'm not only inclined to agree with you personally, but that is actually what the research does as well. So pedophiles actually very rarely learn to stop being attracted. You know, just as was being said, if you know you are attracted to Matthew McConaughey, you know, no counseling is going to change that. But what pedophiles do learn how to do, it's how to at least control their urges, not act upon their urges. But in order for them to learn that, they have to be willing to learn. They have to. Many pedophiles hate themselves and hate their urges and are just at least grateful if they can learn how to not act on them. Jared doesn't seem to feel that there's anything wrong with his urges. So in addition to being a pedophile, it's also quite possible that he may be a psychopath. He doesn't seem to have any concern at all for how this is affecting anybody else. And the idea that he thinks he should be released from prison and that he can sue the prosecutors. This type of entitlement that he has combined with his pedophilia I think, does make him a very poor candidate for somebody that would ever really be rehabilitated. He doesn't want to be rehabilitated. This is like an alcoholic. They have to want to stop drinking. He doesn't want to stop. He wants to continue.
Narrator/Reporter
Let's call this what it is. This is about using wealth, status and secrecy to illegally exploit children.
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Nancy Grace Commentary
Crime stores with Nancy Grace Jared Fogle goes on to be a millionaire. He was extremely obese in college, weighing close to £450. Okay, he lost £245 by eating nothing but Subway sandwiches. Says him he would eat the foot long Veggie and the 6 inch turkey every day. No cheese, no mayo, tons of veggies, a little spicy mustard. According to my research. He says, quote oh, this is just like disgusting. He says quote I was reborn in every sense of the word. Subway helped save my life and start over. I can't ever repay that. Okay, well, he's making sandwiches behind bars now because he was totally convicted of sex with minors. That is statutory rape and child porn.
Narrator/Reporter
The approximate amount of Data reviewed includes 159,634 text messages, 27,140 emails, 47,623 images in 3,394 videos. Through this thorough investigation, 14 victims were identified.
Nancy Grace
Back to Jennifer Tsokowski. He became famous in 2000 after he credited Subway for a huge weight loss. Now, his guilty plea was based partially on an illegal conspiracy charge that dealt with child pornography. But there were so many other counts. There was the actual transferring children across state lines to have sex with them in hotels. He pled guilty to having sex with children. I mean, how can that be thrown out? Jennifer, that has nothing to do with a conspiracy, does it?
Jennifer Zukowski
No. One would not think so. And no, it doesn't make any sense. Like you said, he admitted to these charges. He pleaded guilty. Well, I'm not exactly sure. I mean, just like the last person said, he doesn't want to control his urges. He has this sense of entitlement. And I'm not exactly sure how he would think that he could get out of prison at this point.
Nancy Grace
Well, another thing. Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold Case Research Institute. This is not his first try to get out of jail. He tried to get out claiming the judge in his case was biased because she had teen girls. Okay, I'm getting that from the indie star. Well, actually, the judge had one daughter, and she's grown. All in all, since he was sentenced, he has filed dozens and dozens of motions to either get his sentence reduced or just thrown out. So this guy is not giving up. He claims that his plea, his guilty plea. Let me remind you, it's a guilty plea. It's not a jury trial. He swore under oath he was guilty. Okay, so it's not like he was wrongly convicted. He stood up and swore he was guilty. He's now claiming his plea was unconstitutional.
Cheryl McCollum
Cheryl, Excellent point. And, Nancy, not only did he plead guilty, the only thing he's arguing now is technicality. He still ain't saying he didn't do it. He hasn't yet said, y' all got the wrong guy. I wasn't there. It wasn't me. I wouldn't do it. He said, yeah, I did it. Let me out so I can freaking do it again. That's all this is about. He wants out. There's a ton of people that can watch perverted movies, whether it's bestiality or threesomes or whatever, but they don't act on it. This man has already acted on it. He has passed that threshold of return. He is a dangerous predator, period.
Nancy Grace
He pled guilty. The Subway sandwich pitch man, to federal charges of conspiracy to distribute and receive child porn. Traveling across State lines to have sex, contact with a minor. He agreed to pay $100,000 to each of 14 unnamed children. Those are the ones that we know of. And he's going to do at least 15 years behind bars. He has been trying every which way to get out of jail, and he's got the money to hire lawyers to do it. That's the problem. Dr. Chloe Carmichael New York psychologist, founder of anxietytools.com why can't he just serve his time and try to improve himself or rehab himself behind bars? All he's doing behind bars is trying to say the system tricked him. He pled guilty. It wasn't a trial. There are no errors at trial. He stood up in court under oath and pled guilty to these charges. So what is his mindset, Dr. Chloe?
Podcast Host
Well, of course, Nancy, it's difficult to say what his mindset is, but I can, you know, certainly speculate that he may have seen seen in our society that unfortunately, you know, many times perpetrators will play the victim card. And he has probably seen that card played successfully many times. As you pointed out, it seems clear that his goal is simply to get out of prison and to get right back to what he was doing before. So I imagine he's willing to avail himself of any strategy that he thinks might work, including becoming vindictive towards the system.
Nancy Grace
You know what? As I always used to say, be careful what you ask, my dear, for you will surely get it. Now, Oscar Wilde said it first, but it applies here.
Nancy Grace Commentary
Subway reaches out to Jared Fogle. He becomes a spokesperson for the chain. And he starred in over 300 commercials. He was worth over $15 million. He was a red carpet quote regular. He showed up with his family at movie premieres. He was posed with photos with stars. He even started his own charity, the Jared foundation, to promote healthy eating habits and exercise for children. Oh, wait. What? You'd give them a healthy meal before you molested them? Okay. Yeah. I'm so not impressed. He is working at a kitchen in the jail. House Kitchen. His sentence was 15 years, 8 months. He agreed to pay $1.4 million restitution to 14 confirmed victims. That means that we know of There probably more. They ranged in ages 10 to 17. 10 years old. The level of perversion exhibited by Fogle is extreme. What was stated in court at the time, the level of perversion and lawlessness exhibited by Fogle is extreme. Now, a psychiatrist for the defense. I don't know that this helped anything. Claimed Fogle had a food addiction that transformed into hypersexuality. Jared Fogle goes on to be a millionaire. He was extremely obese in college, weighing close to £450. Okay, he lost £245 by eating nothing but Subway sandwiches. Says him. He would eat the foot long Veggie and the 6 inch turkey every day. No cheese, no mayo, tons of veggies and a little spicy mustard. According to my research, he says, quote, I was reborn in every sense of the word. Subway helped save my life and start over. I can't ever repay that. Okay, well, he's making sandwiches behind bars now because he was totally convicted of sex with minors, I. E. Statutory rape and child porn. And he starred in over 300 commercials. He was worth over $15 million. He was a red carpet quote regular. He showed up with his family at movie premieres. He was posed with photos with stars. He even started his own charity, the Jared foundation, to promote healthy eating habits and exercise for children. Oh, wait, what? You'd give them a healthy meal before you molested them? Okay, yeah. I'm so not impressed. He is working at kitchen in the jail house. Kitchen. His sentence was 15 years, 8 months. He agreed to pay $1.4 million restitution to 14 confirmed victims. That means that we know of there probably more. They ranged in ages 10 to 17. 10 years old. The level of perversion exhibited by Fogle is extreme. That is what was stated in court at the time. The level of perversion and lawlessness exhibited by Fogle is extreme. Now, a psychiatrist for the defense. I don't know that this helped anything. Claimed Fogle had a, quote, food addiction that transformed into, quote, hypersexuality. Okay, you know what? That's a total crock of crap. Complete and total crap. The same psychiatrist added that Fogle had, quote, weak evidence of pedophilia. Seriously? Ask the little 10 year old girl. Ask her.
Nancy Grace
See if she agrees.
Nancy Grace Commentary
Now, he has attempted to appeal his conviction. That's not over. Trust me on that. This is what really is irritating. He runs four or five miles every day behind bars. He exercises. He reads the New York Times every day. He reads historical fiction novels. He watches NFL college football. NFL and college football. I mean, all I know, he's got kitchen duty and he is serving sandwiches to fellow inmates. Enjoy. Because when I think of Jared Fogle, I don't think of a yummy Subway sandwich. I think of him molesting little girls. Victimizing girls as young as 10 years old through actual statutory rape and or pornography. Good luck with that appeal Fogle and your eating addiction defense. Good night, friend.
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Release Date: October 18, 2025
Host: Nancy Grace
Guests: Cheryl McCollum (Cold Case Research Institute), Jennifer Zukowski (Investigative Reporter), Dr. Chloe Carmichael (Psychologist)
Nancy Grace investigates the shocking rise and fall of Jared Fogle, the former Subway spokesperson, delving into his criminal activities, current prison life, and ongoing legal maneuvers. The episode exposes Fogle’s crimes, critiques the legal system’s handling of sex offenders, and analyzes his attempts to overturn his conviction. Grace, her guests, and real audio from Fogle himself provide a harrowing account of betrayal, exploitation, and persistent entitlement.
Background: Jared Fogle became a national celebrity after claiming to lose 245 pounds eating Subway, starring in 300+ commercials, and launching a children’s charity.
Shocking Fall: Despite a wholesome public image, Fogle orchestrated and admitted to a five-year pattern of sexually exploiting children, including statutory rape and child pornography (03:33–08:00).
“He had it all. A beautiful wife, children, a gorgeous home, a TV star. But what did he do? … Arrange sex with minors and transporting them across state lines to do it.”
– Nancy Grace, 00:41
Authentic Evidence: Nancy plays transcripts from covertly recorded phone conversations between Fogle and his accomplice, revealing predatory intent and method (03:32–06:01).
Fogle’s Language: The tapes are deeply disturbing, with Fogle and the associate discussing how to manipulate and abuse middle school children.
“Just talk to them, just get to know them… do a little touchy-feely things with them.”
– Jared Fogle Accomplice, 04:31
Expert Reaction:
“I actually feel nauseous hearing that. … It’s very rare you actually get to hear the perv speaking.”
– Nancy Grace, 06:01
Expert Analysis:
Cheryl McCollum and Dr. Chloe Carmichael highlight that sexual attraction to children is rarely, if ever, “cured.” Prison and counseling do not change underlying desires; awareness and self-control are necessary, which Fogle notably lacks (06:58–12:57).
“If you are attracted to sixth grade girls, that does not go away... no amount of counselors gonna change my mind.”
– Cheryl McCollum, 06:58
"Pedophiles actually very rarely learn to stop being attracted... What pedophiles do learn is how to at least control their urges—if they want to."
– Dr. Chloe Carmichael, 11:27
Nancy's Perspective:
"You can't go to jail and get quote, cured."
– Nancy Grace, 11:23
Current Status: Fogle is incarcerated at Englewood Federal Correctional Institution, Colorado, working as a prison chef; he’s been attacked multiple times (01:30, 14:43).
Entitlement & Appeals:
Fogle continues to file motions challenging his conviction on technicalities, including lawsuits against prosecutors, a judge, and the Attorney General, seeking $57 million in damages (08:00–10:12).
"He's actually claiming that he wouldn't have pleaded guilty except for the improper charge… and that being imprisoned is violating his due process… suing the judge and the prosecutors for $57 million."
– Jennifer Zukowski, 08:16
“He has passed that threshold of return. He is a dangerous predator, period.”
– Cheryl McCollum, 18:20
Nature and Victims:
The investigation included review of 159,634 text messages, 27,140 emails, 47,623 images, and nearly 3,400 videos. Fourteen victims were clearly identified, with ages ranging from 10–17 (15:49–16:56).
“He agreed to pay $100,000 to each of 14 unnamed children. Those are the ones that we know of.”
– Nancy Grace, 19:02
Charity as a Shield:
Fogle’s public work—especially his charity for kids—is reframed as a calculated move to access victims (20:55).
Nancy and her guests reject explanations from defense psychiatrists that paint Fogle’s behavior as a food addiction transferred to hypersexuality, seeing these as absurd excuses (22:39–25:31).
“You’d give them a healthy meal before you molested them? Okay. Yeah. I’m so not impressed.”
– Nancy Grace, 20:55
Fogle's Posture in Prison:
Despite his crimes, Fogle maintains a privileged existence: he exercises, reads, and follows sports, while attempting every legal maneuver to secure an early release (25:29).
On Fogle’s Never-Ending Appeals:
"He has filed dozens and dozens of motions to either get his sentence reduced or just thrown out. So this guy is not giving up.”
– Nancy Grace, 17:28
On the Defense's “Addiction” Excuse:
“A psychiatrist for the defense... claimed Fogle had a food addiction that transformed into hypersexuality. Okay, you know what? That's a total crock of crap.”
– Nancy Grace, 25:31
On Systemic Danger:
“Let me out so I can freaking do it again. That's all this is about.”
– Cheryl McCollum, 18:20
Direct, unflinching, and emotionally charged—Nancy and her panel of experts express outrage, disgust, and skepticism, aiming to highlight the severity of Fogle’s crimes and the ongoing threats posed by powerful sex offenders. The tone is urgent and confrontational, with frequent memorable turns of phrase and condemnation of legal loopholes.
This episode is a powerful exposé, combining evidence, expert analysis, and pointed commentary to leave listeners with no illusions about the nature of Fogle’s crimes—or the dangers of misplaced narratives of redemption.