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Terrence Woods, Jr. Disappears Into Idaho Wilderness: STILL MISSING
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Nancy Grace
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Nancy Grace
Tonight, a father is fighting for answers after his son vanishes into thin air in Idaho. Good evening, I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for being with us.
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Dave Mack
Terrence woods is a member of a TV production crew filming near an abandoned mine in the remote Idaho wilderness. As the crew wraps a long day, something suddenly shifts. Terrance bolts, running full speed into the woods. Alone and never seen again.
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Nancy Grace
That makes absolutely no sense. He bolts and runs full speed into the woods and he's never seen again. I smell a rat. This is a guy with a double me master's degree. How does he just vanish into the woods and what, everybody walks away and leaves him? There he is in London where he got a double master's degree. And just when it seems like all of his dreams were coming true, he vanishes into thin air. Watch this.
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I want a gold mine highway and on my terms. Veteran miner Dave Turin is an expert gold hunter.
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Local Idaho Reporter
What in the world?
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And after two years out of the game, he's searching for a way back in.
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Local Idaho Reporter
This could be my future of mining right here.
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Brian Fitzgibbons
Dave will cross the country from north
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to south to prospect multiple lost and abandoned mines.
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Nancy Grace
Gold's right there.
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Hoping to find the one that will
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Nancy Grace
make him a fortune. I'm not walking away from him out of his damn mind. Now that is from Gold Rush. And what it is, is from the trailer of Gold Rush, Dave Turin's lost mine. Is that what led to his disappearance? How does that fit in with this? Want him to come home? I want him to know that we love him. Your family miss you. Your sisters, your brothers, they want you to come home safe. He was living his dream. He was doing what he wanted to do. And he did everything to get to this point just for it to be. For us to even be here. It's unbelievable.
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Terrence Wood Sr.
I got a call on October 6th at 7:45am in the morning and I was told that my son, allegedly in Elk City, Idaho, while working with a company, fell off a cliff or went off a cliff without being seen?
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Nancy Grace
Since then, from our friends at klew, how do you go off a cliff and then your body is never found? Did he run into the woods? Did he run off a cliff? And what, is everyone standing by just twiddling their thumbs? This is a beautiful, bright young man who's making his dreams come true. And tonight, no answers. I don't get it. Joining us, an all star panel. But first, straight out to Dion Mitchell, executive producer, crime reader defined podcast Dion, thank you for being with us. Dion, what is your understanding of what happened exactly?
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Dion Mitchell
That if you believe the. The eyewitness, you know, he dropped his radio and, and ran down the hill. So if you take her eyewitness at face value, in my opinion, he's. He's probably still on the mountain. But I do find the whole take odd. Crew members just don't disappear off a set, especially where it's remote, when there's only one way in and one way out.
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Nancy Grace
And your point is? Of course, you're right. But what is your point there, Dion Mitchell?
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Dion Mitchell
My point is, is that if everything's taken at face value, that he's. He's still on the mountain somewhere.
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Nancy Grace
So if he's still on the mountain, why isn't there a search and rescue team finding his body?
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Dion Mitchell
That's the question, you know, why isn't there a search and rescue? And that's what we're trying to do is actually get a proper team out there, you know, use all the latest tech and see if we can bring them home.
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Nancy Grace
Mehul and Jerrya is joining us, co host along with Dionne Mitchell of Crime Redefined podcast. They first found out about this missing person case and it has totally blown my mind. Mayhool, Dion Mitchell is correct. After every shoot I've ever been on, it takes hours to break it down. All that equipment, the video, the people, the cars, and they're getting off of a remote shoot in the middle of rugged terrain, and they all just, poof, vanish like I dream of Jenny Boop. They're all just gone. That didn't happen. So did no1 call 911 immediately? Did no one try to save him? What is your understanding meal about what happened?
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Mehul Angeria
Well, there were at least two witnesses who allegedly saw him run down the cliff, if that's even possible. Supposedly a few of the crew member went after him and then when they came back up, their clothes were all ripped and they were all bloody. So they did call 91 1. They found like a cabin on the mountain and made the 911 call. The 911 call is sort of mysterious though, because they start talking about, gee, Terrence was having a tough time. He possibly had a mental breakdown. All of this is news to his father. There's no history of any kind of mental problems. So it's very curious. Number one, why would you run down a hill? And then this thing about this mental issue. And what further complicates it, Nancy, is that this crew was international. They were from the UK So very quickly, all of the crew member went back to London except for one individual who stayed back to talk to the sheriff's department and to Terrence and his deterrence Wood Sr.
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Nancy Grace
So let me understand, there was no crime scene. The witnesses were not detained by law enforcement. Everybody just went on their merry way after he allegedly falls off a cliff amid claims of mental problems. Nobody ever mentioned a mental problem before. They didn't have a problem with him on the shoot. How can a guy with mental problems get two master's degree in London and come back and live his dream? What mental problem?
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Mehul Angeria
Well, that's just it. I mean, there were some reports that he, he grabbed a drone out of the air, that he was complaining about his family. And what was really appalling is when the one crew member who stayed behind first met Terence Wood Senior, he started talking about how he was disappointed with Terrence's the work that he did. I mean, rather than being empathetic and you know, to your point about the investigation, Nancy, the sheriff's department very quickly said, oh, we don't suspect foul play. Well, how would you know? You didn't do a thorough investigation. You didn't talk to the 12 people who had spent a good week with him. So I don't know how you can conclude there's no foul play. And what's worse is it seems like the sheriff's department is thinking that this is a runaway case, not a missing person's, not foul play. So while on the front end, they did a wonderful job searching for him for six, seven days, it's just went cold. And the sheriff's department is saying it's an open case. And as a result, they will not release any reports or paperwork to us. But meanwhile, they're not doing anything further to find him.
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Nancy Grace
So let me understand, nothing is being done to find him. And they allegedly, the crew, see him fall off a cliff or run off a cliff, which I find very difficult to believe. But they see him run off a cliff, they see where it happened. And after seven days, no body was found. How can that be? My whole.
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Mehul Angeria
Well, yeah, exactly. I mean, the sensitivity of the search, I mean, they had forward looking IR cameras, they had bloodhounds, you know, they had some of Terence's clothing to use. That's a whole nother story about how his clothing was found, but the fact that there was no trace of him. You know, Terrence Wood senior has some question as to whether or not he actually made it to Idaho because the crew was first in Montana and then went to Idaho. There's a lot of eyewitness statements that he was in Idaho, but I don't know that we have any video or photos or anything like that. And, you know, I'm a physical evidence guy. And this is one thing we need to get. We need to start ruling things out here.
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Nancy Grace
At least agree, agree about the physical evidence. Joining us right now, Brian Fitzgibbons. He is the director of operations at USPA Nationwide Security. He leads a team of missing person investigators around the world finding and extracting missing people. He is a former Marine. He is an Iraqi War vet. Fitzgibbons. I find it really hard to believe that the crew can identify where this young man jumps headlong off a cliff in front of God and everybody. And they search seven days and can't find him. It's almost as if it didn't happen that way. You see where he jumped, but you can't find him.
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Brian Fitzgibbons
Yeah, and it sounds like there was a pretty intense search over the course of just about a week that was done to locate Terrence Woods Jr. And what's immediately concerning to me, Nancy, and you know, with this story from the production crew, they're going to these remote areas. This is not their first rodeo. And you're telling me that they don't have any ability to communicate via satellite phone, that they have to trek through the woods to encounter, you know, somebody in a cabin that has access to a satellite phone, that they're, you know, seasoned producers out in these remote areas with no ability to communicate? That does not add up to me. That immediately is a red flag.
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Nancy Grace
Well, they could call 91 1. So they do have the ability to communicate. Listen to this, Fitz.
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Terrence Wood Sr.
At 8:34, my son text me back, said, dad, I'm coming home on Wednesday the 10th. Between that little time something went wrong, then the next call I get is from the company saying my son disappeared. Can't find a trace of him.
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Nancy Grace
From our friends at Fox 5, back to you, Dionne Mitchell, not a trace, nothing. Did authorities find anything to corroborate the story that he suddenly just ran? He ran for it. He took off his belt and his equipment and ran for it and jumped. Anything was the belt there? Was the equipment there, any shoe, any article of clothing, any. Anything to corroborate this story?
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Dion Mitchell
No, just the one eyewitness. And that's what makes this really wild. You have one eyewitness says he ran down this cliff. And that was the first kind of red flag for me. If you're familiar with this area at all it's not really cliffy. It's more like a rolling hill. You can't mine on cliffs. So you pick areas that you can get your equipment into, trek it into. And so for him to have jumped off a cliff was like the first thing. It's just. It's at 4,000ft. It's more kind of like rolling hills that's heavily forested. So that was like the first thing it said, like, yeah, did it really happen that way? And then, let's face it, you know, Terrence is from Maryland, he lived in London, and guys like that don't go running into the forest. He had to actually buy shoes, boots for this. So this is an area that he's not familiar with. So you're going to stay close to the rest of the rest of the queues, rest of the crew. And the other red flag for me is probably something happened between the fourth and the fifth. Hey, Dad, I made it to hey, dad, I'm coming home the following day. So what happened in that, in that time period? And I think that's where we should focus.
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Nancy Grace
This is what the sheriff says.
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Local Idaho Reporter
He went over to the edge and there were several people watching him, including one of the local guys. And they said he just decided to take off and he shot down that hill and he would not stop, he would not return. And he just kept going. And they lost him at the. There's a road down below where he dropped straight down the hill, almost straight down. He couldn't find any clothes. The tracks are the best that we could follow and they're not deadpods as they were his, but they believed they were. But that's not an absolute. There's been no sign, there's been no information, there's been no sighting, there's been nothing. And that definitely is unusual.
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Nancy Grace
And it sounds like there's been no investigation. That's from our friends at KBOI and ktvb. Let me understand something, Dionne Mitchell. I immediately see a discrepancy. You are saying there was one witness, but to hear the sheriff tell it, there were lots of witnesses.
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Dion Mitchell
What's the truth as far as every but all the interviews that have been done? There was only one clear witness.
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Terrence Wood Sr.
Witness.
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Dion Mitchell
The. The main part of the crew was actually on the set where they were actually doing the filming at the mine. So there was only one eyewitness that saw him take down, take off down the hill and he dropped his radio and just apparently sprinted. I don't know how you sprint down a cliff, but that's what they're telling us, I don't think there was a number of. At least as far as the interviews that we've seen and that we've done on our podcast, other than the one eyewitness, the female transportation person, I don't think anybody else saw him because it was a skeleton crew and they're either going to be at a base camp or they're going to be where the film is actually taking place. For the, for the promo guys, let's
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Nancy Grace
dissect what the sheriff said one more time.
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Brian Fitzgibbons
Listen, went over to the edge and
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Local Idaho Reporter
there were several people watching him, including one of the local guys. And they said he just decided to take off and he shot down that hill and he would not stop, he would not return. And he just kept going. And they lost him at the. There's a road down below where he dropped straight down the hill, almost straight down. He couldn't find any clothes. The tracks are the best that we could follow. And they're not deadpods if they were his, but they believed they were. But that's not an absolute. There's been no sign, there's been no information. There's been no sighting. There's been nothing. And that definitely is unusual.
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Nancy Grace
Mehul Angeria joining us. He's the co host along with Dionne Mitchell on Crime Redefine podcast. That was from our friends at KBOI and ktvb. Let's analyze what the sheriff just said. Okay. He went over the edge. There were several people watching. No. According to you, one person was there when he went over the edge. The others may have been on the crew, but they're not eyewitnesses. Number one, he would not stop. He took off. He kept going. They lost him at a road. Where Mayhel does the road fit in? I thought he went over a cliff. What are they talking about, a road?
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Mehul Angeria
Well, once, supposedly, once he got to the bottom of the cliff area, there is a road there. So there's some thought that, you know, there was some elaborate scheme for him to disappear and that a car picked him up, but that is just.
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Nancy Grace
I've got a semen as he's actually saying this because this is crazy talking. Okay, so let me understand this. This is not like Wile E. Coyote and the Roadrunner where they get smashed and killed and then they jump up again and start running. Am I supposed to believe, and this is coming from the sheriff, that he, our victim, jumps over a cliff, falls down to a road and there's a clandestine meetup with a car that takes him away or he Gets up and runs like the roadrunner. What are you saying that with a straight face?
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Mehul Angeria
I don't know how you say that with a straight face. It makes no sense. And, you know, the sheriff's department sometimes out there has this attitude that people go missing out there all of the time and eventually they'll turn up. So again, there's this sort of this attitude that he was just a runaway and they're not going to look into it. I'm sure we'll talk about this, but there is a lot of physical evidence right now that could be looked at to try to see if this story makes any sense whatsoever.
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Nancy Grace
Like what?
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Mehul Angeria
Well, number one, Terence woods jr's laptop is available. His dad has it. Now, the sheriff's department, who's probably not that sophisticated in advanced investigation, they said we couldn't get into the laptop and we were afraid basically we would get locked out of it. So Terrence Wood Sr. Has Terrence's Jr's laptop. There's going to be a wealth of information on that. On top of that, they have his camera. And to hear Terrence Wood Sr. Talk about it, the order of the pictures on the camera doesn't make sense. So we have digital evidence here in terms of the cell phone, Terence Jr. S cell phone that wasn't recovered. We hope that there's records, but my understanding is that if those records were not frozen, that they go away after about a year. So we don't know if we even have the option of looking at the cell phone records.
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Nancy Grace
You know what? I don't think that's. Yes, yes, some evidence will go away. But Brian Fitzgibbons, you and I have worked on a lot of missing people cases, a lot of homicide cases, and digital evidence, such as cell phone records, they live forever in the cloud. We're not going to lose that.
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Brian Fitzgibbons
Yeah, there will be some. Some degree of evidence remaining from that cell phone. Maybe not location data, maybe not app data that could help pinpoint a final last location. But there will be some about his last communications. The other piece with this laptop, that absolutely should and can be investigated, that laptop may have connected to his phone. That laptop may have messages, sms, text messages on there. You know, if it's an Apple laptop, his phone may be connected directly to it. So it seems like fingers are not being lifted here. That's an easy, easy task to be done.
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Nancy Grace
Okay. I'm very curious about what evidence has been obtained, what evidence has been saved and curated. But let's look at what else the sheriff said. Ms. Gibbons, listen to this. We couldn't find any clothes. The tracks were the best we could follow. We're not sure those are his. So is he on the side of the cliff? Is he on the road? The sheriff is the one that said they lost him at a road down below. So am I supposed to believe that he vanished into thin air? None of this makes sense. Were scent dogs brought out? Were cadaver dogs brought out? Were drones brought out? Or was it all just chalked off to some crazy plot where he jumps off a cliff and then gets into a getaway car?
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Brian Fitzgibbons
Yeah, that's something that doesn't add up. There was a fairly extensive search done with dogs with aerial assets, infrared. So you would think Terrence Woods Jr. Was not an experienced mountaineer. This was not an experienced outdoorsman that could track. You know, it would probably take him close to a full day to navigate back to any type of civilization. So you would have to imagine after an extensive search was done with those assets, they would have found him had he. Had he died in the elements out there. So, you know, that adds a layer to this and a layer of validation to Terrence Wood Sr's question was, was he ever at that site?
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Terrence Wood Sr.
I talked to him before he went out there and he seemed fine. It was nothing abnormal. He wasn't acting different. And, you know, I talked to him all the time and it didn't seem like he was depressed.
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Nancy Grace
He's not the type of person that
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Terrence Wood Sr.
would just run off or do anything like that. So it seems unusual to me, but,
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Nancy Grace
you know, I wasn't there. From our friends at KBOI to Dionne Mitchell joining us along with Mehul and Jiria. They are co hosts and produce Crime Redefined podcast and they are the ones that found this case. And that's how we at Crime Stories learned about it. So thank you. I guess if others would have their way, nobody would ever know about this case. I don't believe you can suddenly get a bout of depression and your family not know anything about you've. You've ever been depressed, you've ever had suicidal ideation, you're on some kind of medication, nothing. And what the sheriff is saying doesn't make sense. I mean, you've got the sister stating, I talked to him just before this and he was fine. He was not depressed. And here is what we call routine evidence. And I do not mean Dion Mitchell Routine is in typical evidence. It's routine evidence. I mean evidence of someone's routine. For instance, I get up at 5, I make my mother's breakfast, I make my son's breakfast. I make the granny nanny. Each one of them has their own special unique coffee I make for them. I feed the cat, I feed the dog, feed the guinea pig. And when everybody's gone to school, then I start work. That is my routine and that is not going to change. Heaven help me, this is not his routine. He would never disappear from work, never leave without talking to his parents, and certainly never jump off a cliff.
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Dion Mitchell
No, absolutely. And everything in his background, he was an absolute pro. That's why RA hired him in the first place. And there's all his professors going at University of Maryland, the journalism school. Anybody that's worked from him from Maryland to London had nothing but great things to say about him. And so all of a sudden he's just gonna, you know, have a meltdown on the side of a mountain, go. Taking off. It's so out of character for him. It's unbelievable. And we just don't believe it.
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Terrence Wood Sr.
That's my son. 130 pounds soaking wet. These guys, big like me. And you gonna say, you watch this little guy go to kill himself or whatever you are trying to put out there? Come on, man. They said when all of them came back up the cliff, their clothes was ripped, some of them were bleeding. Well, they had dogs. You didn't even find a trace of my son's blood nor any ripped clothes. I mean, let's Come on.
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Nancy Grace
Brian Fitz Gibbons. That is BS Technical legal term. Scent dogs would have immediately picked up on blood. Did you hear what the dad said? Oh, from our friends at Fox 5. The dad says the friends. Friends come up with ripped clothes, bleeding. But the dogs found no trace of Terrence's blood, nor any ripped clothes, nothing. Why were their clothes ripped? Where'd that blood come from? That's also from our friend, Dr. Field. So this is not fitting together forensically. They're saying there were. There was blood, there were ripped clothes, but the dogs don't pick up on any of that. I believe the dog over the people.
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Brian Fitzgibbons
Yeah, the logic doesn't add up. Right.
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Terrence Wood Sr.
If.
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Brian Fitzgibbons
If Terrence Woods Jr. Was going through the same terrain that these folks from the crew set off to search for him, it would be safe to assume that that same terrain would produce the same results. Scratches on those branches. There's absolutely something that these scent dogs would pick up. As you and I both know, a number of cases we've worked on together. The talent of these scent dogs is. It's not comprehensible how. How easily they can pick up a scent in that. That thick brush, that. That woods terrain. So it's not believable that this wouldn't have happened to Terrence Woods Jr. As well.
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Terrence Wood Sr.
He was there for four days and kept on the same pair of socks, same shirt, same underwear. But they also had a pair of shoes and his luggage inside of a plastic bag which had mud all over them. Mud everywhere. At least it should be a pair of pants where the bottom of the pants should have some type of mud or something on them that's not even in a bag. Everything had frozen in time because up to this date, nothing have happened and everything is still the same. The sheriff's department out there, they're not doing anything. They said that they will not close the case, nor would they give me any information pertaining to the case from
- [32:17]
Nancy Grace
Dr. Phil and Fox 5. Okay, straight back out to you, Mayhew Angeria co host along with Dionne Mitchell of Crime Redefine the significance of what we just heard. That you've got the muddy shoes in a plastic bag in the suitcase, but there are no pants to go with them. Where are his clothes? What are you picking up? From what Terrence Wood Sr. Is saying, what's probative? What does it prove?
- [32:50]
Mehul Angeria
Well, to me, it may prove that somebody contaminated the scene in the hotel room where they got Terrence's clothing. So it seems like if you were doing a proper investigation, you would close off that hotel room. But it seems that the crew had access to it. And you just start to wonder if the contents of the suitcase were manipulated, as if somebody's trying to hide something, because one pair of muddy shoes and the rest of the nice, clean clothing makes absolutely no sense.
- [33:19]
Terrence Wood Sr.
My son saw something, heard something that he should not have seen or should not have heard and didn't like it. My son's not in the woods.
- [33:28]
Nancy Grace
From our friends at Fox 5, what does he mean by that? What does he mean he thinks his son saw something or knew something he wasn't supposed to know. Dion Mitchell, great question.
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Dion Mitchell
And you know, because I mentioned earlier that there's something happened between the fourth and the fifth, it kind of. I could see where senior Terrence Wood Sr. Could make that kind of assumption. And we haven't seen anything, but that's why we want to do an investigation. I also want to go back to something else, is that a lot of people that are not familiar with this, this location was at 4,400ft. And the road, the access road to get in from where Terence went missing to there is a trek. It's a distance, and you'd probably need a compass. Otherwise, you're just walking blindly until you just stumble across the road. And then the distance from the hotel to get to the location on a good day is over two hours. So that means that Terrence would have better run down the hill, luckily find the the road, and then have a car waiting and then drive back two hours out without anybody else seeing him. So, Terrence Senior, he's got a point.
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Nancy Grace
This is total bs. Now, I want you to hear what the father, Terrence Wood Sr. Says about what happened when he gets to Idaho.
- [34:45]
Terrence Wood Sr.
When he took the 911 call and I spoke, he said, Mr. Woods, something's not right about this. Something is not right. He said, when you get to Idaho, make sure you see me. When I got to Idaho, went to the sheriff's department, I seen this person. This person gave me an envelope. He said, whatever you do, don't tell anybody I gave this to you and don't show it to anybody.
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Local Idaho Reporter
No problem.
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Terrence Wood Sr.
I go back to the hotel room, I open the envelope up. It's the original police report. It was called in. And this police report is saying detail for detail, what quote, unquote was said when they called this in? One, they said, my son was a dark complexion person, not dark at all. Okay, moving along then. You all said that morning he had an anxiety attack. Okay, well, if he had an anxiety Attack. Did you all call professional medical assistance and no report that you would hear or read or anything? No one never once, up to this second said he called for professional medical assistance.
- [35:47]
Nancy Grace
That's right. If he was having all these problems and anxieties, why didn't anyone call his family, call 911, do anything to help him? It is not corroborated by a single person that Terrence Jr. Had any type of anxiety. You know, that. That you just heard. That was his father, Terrence Wood Sr. Desperate for answers about his son. Can you imagine? Your child just disappears and nobody will help you. He was speaking to our new friends Dion Mitchell and Mehul Angeria. Dion, question. I got a problem. Whenever I hear a cop, any le. Law enforcement state, hey, don't tell anybody, but something's wrong here. Here's the police report. I've had a big problem with that.
- [36:39]
Dion Mitchell
Yeah, that's. That's not a good look. And it seems like it. Everything just seems. But too clean and too perfect. And then what's being told and what actually happened just aren't coming together. And I mean, there's.
- [36:52]
Bowen Yang
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Dion Mitchell
I can completely understand Terrence Wood seniors just questioning everything, especially when you get handed an envelope and say, hey, here's the. Here's the real police report. But somebody was trying to project a simple story to this that I think is a lot more complicated than. Than we know.
- [37:11]
Nancy Grace
Okay, Wait till you hear this, Fitzgibbons. Wait till you hear this.
- [37:17]
Terrence Wood Sr.
Listen, you told me, oh, we had to detain him if he had an anxiety attack. Why would you have to detain him somewhere? No, but everything worked out. You still didn't answer that question. Well, everything worked out, and then we went on out, and the day was
- [37:34]
Nancy Grace
going along well, they detained him. He's one having anxiety, and they detain him. Terrence Jr. This is. None of this makes sense. When it doesn't make sense, somebody's lying. Fitzgibbons.
- [37:52]
Brian Fitzgibbons
Yeah, I don't like that his personal belongings seem to be sanitized. I don't like the delayed communication to family. I don't like the fact that no one from the crew used their device to call law enforcement. I still don't believe that they had no means to communicate out from that job site. And now we're hearing, you know, they're telling the family member that there was a pretty significant issue that you had to physically detain somebody. This is not adding up.
- [38:30]
Nancy Grace
I don't get it either. Mayhool. Why would they detain him if he's having the anxiety issue to wonder if
- [38:38]
Mehul Angeria
they're painting a picture that somehow Terence was a danger to them or something, because we had some claims about his incompetence and now he's having some sort of mental breakdown and they're potentially having to detain him. What about calling for help? What about caring for your co worker above the project? It just. It's not adding up. And again, if we could interview the crew, which should have been done on day one, we would have better answers to this because we have one representative for the crew, which means that we don't have to look at. Are there different stories that aren't adding up? So the narrative here is just not really reliable. And this is why Dan and I are involved in this case, and this is why we want to initiate a proper investigation. Even though this has gone quite cold, as we've discussed, there's a lot of evidence that can be looked at. And let's cut through some of this hearsay stories, let's cut through eyewitness stuff and let's look for some physical evidence that we can really sink our teeth into.
- [39:40]
Terrence Wood Sr.
Now, you say you're out on the shoot and he's acting strange. He tries to grab a drone out of the sky. Still no one sat him down, put him in a car, truck, whatever, and got professional medical assistance. But you all determined that this young man, who've been all over the world, never had an issue nowhere before. He's with you all for this one trip and this one morning, although he was with you four days prior in Montana, which you speak nothing of, but this one morning in Idaho. He wakes up that morning, have a mental breakdown, starting the morning off, then just lose it in the evening and leap off a cliff and run like a hair. They have pictures on the. On the Facebook page with all of them in Montana. My son is in none of the pictures. They have pictures of them in Idaho. My son is in none of the pictures. Well, when I had the private investigator, he claimed, which I never got, that he had the footage from the hotel. If I'm a sheriff, whatever, why don't they have the footage from the hotel? So show me some pictures of my son walking in a hotel, walking out the hotel. I have not seen any of that yet. No one. You know what I'm saying? So where's that at?
- [40:55]
Nancy Grace
Dave Mack, joining us, crime Stories, investigative reporter. Why don't they have the video of the hotel, of him in the hotel, to prove to me when he was last alive?
- [41:05]
Dave Mack
You know, Nancy, that is A shocking truism here that we don't have a lot of basic information that is readily available to everyone. You know, there's camera action showing what was taking place at the hotel. You've got the front desk, you've got computer records that would all back up whether or not he was at the hotel, when he was there and when he left. And as was mentioned, the shoot site is two hours away from the hotel. Nancy, this. There's a lot of opportunity to find the. To actually build a correct timetable of what took place with this man before. These stories that just don't make any sense. One thing, Nancy, that you need to take in mind here, the area where they were working out in the woods. They claim that he took off like a hare. Remember, he went over the cliff and he ran so fast nobody could catch up with him. Well, the one thing that the searchers came back with is this area has not been touched by human hands for a long time. There's fallen trees on top of fallen trees on top of fallen trees. You can't run in this area. It's an almost impossible task because it just isn't an area that's cleared out regularly. So from the very beginning, the story fails with the facts presented on the scene.
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Terrence Wood Sr.
I was supposed to speak to the whole crew. By the time I got there, it was only one person there. They said that there's no reason for me to speak to anyone else. If you go to work today, I go to work. Then I'm with co workers. God forbid something happened. The first thing your family's gonna say, who was he with? Who is she with? Who are they with? If nothing's funny, nothing's out of line. He's with Joe Blow, Mike, Sally, Bam. Because your family want to ask the people, hey, what's your place? But when you say no, you cannot speak to nobody. And you get everyone out of the country. Really? So when I'm in the sheriff's department that morning, now, mind you, they don't know I have this paperwork. So I said, why did you all say my son had a mental breakdown and leaped off a cliff? The dude, Simon said, no one ever said that. I said, well, why did you all say my son was dark complexion? No one said that. The sheriff looks down. He said. He said, Mr. Woods, I have the 911 report right here in front of me. No, no one said anything like that. And he lied to me and looked down at paper. No one said that. No one said anything like that. Mr. Woods, where would you get something like that?
- [47:45]
Nancy Grace
From Mehul and Jerrya with us, along with Dionne Mitchell, both of them stars of Crime Redefined podcast. Mehul, who is Simon?
- [47:56]
Mehul Angeria
Simon G. Was the lead producer on this shoot and he's the one who stayed behind and talked to Terrence and the Idaho sheriff when the other crew members beat it back to the uk.
- [48:10]
Nancy Grace
So Simon the producer is saying, nobody ever had a mental breakdown. Nobody ever said that. Nobody ever said he was dark complected. And the sheriff, according to Terrance's father, looks down at the police report and goes, yeah, nobody ever said that. But the father got the police report and that is what it said. Am I correct?
- [48:34]
Mehul Angeria
100%. And this, this just throws into shadow the fact that they're not turning over any reports. And it makes you wonder because look at the discrepancy in the actual court versus what Simon and the sheriff are saying. I mean, by God's good grace, Mr. Woods got that report from the individual at the sheriff's department. Otherwise we wouldn't even know about these Inconsistencies.
- [48:58]
Nancy Grace
And we learn about pages being ripped out of his diary. What about it, Dion Mitchell? Is that true? Pages ripped out of Terrence's diary. Let me guess. The pages leading up to him running off a cliff.
- [49:15]
Dion Mitchell
You know, that's the story. And once again, I'll say it's. It's like the sheriff's department took everything that the showrunner said at face value and really didn't do any extensive, you know, investigating or work or trying to retrace Terrence's steps or anything like that. And it seems like, you know, the room being spotless and everything packed up, no dirty clothes. It just seems like they're trying to project that there's nothing to see here. And we're. You know, Mahal and I, we're just not buying it.
- [49:42]
Nancy Grace
I'm not buying the fact that diary pages were ripped out. And there's more.
- [49:47]
Terrence Wood Sr.
Anywhere my son go, he gonna take pictures. He gonna make it. He gonna take pictures of himself in his camera. He is. No, nothing, not nothing in it. With my son's physical body, you would think as soon as I open up, you think all the pictures that I would see would be the first pictures of whatever he took while he was in Idaho and Montana. You have pictures when he was in Rome. How the Rome pictures show up before the Idaho pictures. I couldn't find some of them pictures into Midway flick and do pictures. The pictures that you just took should not be. It shouldn't be 200 pictures in front of them, 50 pictures in front of them. That means somebody went through them and, you know what I'm saying, scattered them around or whatever. Someone went through that.
- [50:30]
Nancy Grace
That's Terrence's father speaking to our new friends Mayhool and Juria and Dionne Mitchell, Brian Fitzgibbons. That stinks to high heaven. Look at your phone. Look at your phone, at the pictures you've taken. They're in reverse chronological order. That's how it goes. I see the photo I took of my son last night. That's the first photo I would see. Okay? Then it would go back in time to his fishing trip, to my daughter dressed up to go to a grad party. I'm reeling it off in my mind about the photos that would appear in reverse chronological order. And the dad, I just don't think he would make up this fact that he looked at his son's camera. His son is a photo bug. He takes photos of everything. And the Rome pictures from a Rome trip are there and then scattered way back in the pictures The Idaho trip. No. Someone has tampered with the camera. Brian.
- [51:31]
Brian Fitzgibbons
Yes. Tampered with the camera, tampered with the clothes, tampered with the diary. Inconsistent statements about his mental state in those last days. You know, any one of these things, if it were associated with this case, you might be able to explain it away. When you now have 3, 4, 5 things like this that jumps off the page. This doesn't make any sense. You know, this is someone who's documenting moment to moment with, you know, high end cameras. Not only his phone, but his, his own personal equipment that there's no photos or videos from him from this time. Come on.
- [52:14]
Terrence Wood Sr.
It's 32 degrees. He runs down this hill. What, what did he have on? Oh, he had on, we believe, a light jacket and some pants. His snow suit that I bought him before he left, that's home with me. He didn't have a snow suit on. His secondary coat, heavy coat, I brought home with me. So he's out, out in the woods. Y' all all got on winter coats, everything, but he's out there with a little jacket on.
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Mehul Angeria
No.
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Nancy Grace
No. Dionne Mitchell. I have analyzed similar situations in the past and I was trying cases and putting them together. If the victim is wearing something inappropriate, that's a big red flag right here he is on the side of a mountain and he's not wearing a heavy coat.
- [52:57]
Dion Mitchell
No, I completely, I completely agree. It just doesn't add up. And it kind of goes to what Senior's saying, that, that he wasn't on the side of the mountain. But yet we have that eyewitness saying that, that he was. So you, you would think that someone you know from the city would be properly dressed. You bought all this new gear, you'd be wearing it. And once again, the elevation of the, of the shoot was at 4, 400ft. Sun goes over the hill, it gets cold in a hurry. So he would, he would have brought it up. It would have been in the van, the transportation van. He would have went and got it. He should have been properly dressed for the shoot. If you're going to be out there for, you know, to make your day, you know, eight, nine, 10 hours.
- [53:35]
Nancy Grace
So we've got the pages leading up to his disappearance ripped from his diary. We have no photos of him up on that mountaintop chute. We have claims of a sudden onset of mental illness, of a suicide, but no body. And let me guess, no cell phone,
- [54:00]
Dion Mitchell
I believe. Yeah, there's no cell phone. And we're going to try to see if once we get hold of the, the other information off the, off the laptop, if there's stuff on the cloud, because Terrence did document everywhere that he went. And that's part of our goal is to kind of retrace the steps from landing in Missoula, Montana, the drive in and see if we can find witnesses along the way that can say, okay, we, we, we can factually say he made it to this point before we move forward.
- [54:26]
Nancy Grace
So, Mayhool Injury joining us from Crime Redefined podcast. It seems as if the last known sighting of him, other than what the crew was saying, was back at the hotel and then something went horribly wrong.
- [54:45]
Mehul Angeria
Correct. There are some other eyewitness accounts. For example, the night before he went missing, supposedly he was seen at a restaurant chatting up a young lady and getting her phone number. So why wouldn't the police talk to that person or try to find them to confirm that that actually happened and that he was in Idaho?
- [55:07]
Nancy Grace
Well, he certainly doesn't sound depressed. He is talking to a young lady and getting her phone number, and then suddenly he jumps off a cliff. But his body wasn't found. His clothing wasn't found. The scent dogs didn't pick up on it. Was he ever even there? If you know or think you know anything about the disappearance of Terrence Woods Jr. Even if you think it is inconsequential, please contact crimeredefined.com Repeat crimeredefined.com We remember an American hero, Trooper Matthew Gatty, Tennessee Highway Patrol, just 24, killed in the line of duty, leaving behind a wife, now widow Anna. American hero, Trooper Matthew Gatty. Thank you to our guests, especially our new friends from Crime Redefined, but especially to you for being with us tonight in our search for Terrence. Nancy Gray. Signing off for tonight, but I'll see you tomorrow night. And until then, good night, friend.
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