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The Double
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In 2023, two men told police the same story: each man said that his name was William Woods, and that his identity had been stolen.
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Phoebe Judge
Had you ever seen a case like this before?
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Detective Ian Mallory
No, I have never seen a case like this before and I don't know that anyone has seen a case like this before.
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Phoebe Judge
Ian Mallory is a detective with the University of Iowa Police Department. In 2023 he was assigned a case. A 54 year old man named William woods said that his identity had been stolen.
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Detective Ian Mallory
William woods was a IT professional at the University of Iowa hospitals. Kind of a quiet man, but definitely a family man. He worked remotely from heartland Wisconsin from his home full time for the university and then a couple times a month or once a month he would be required to drive to Iowa City and work on site. That's really all I knew about him. Computer professional, a worked from home and a family man.
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Phoebe Judge
He'd been married for nearly 30 years and had a son. William woods told Detective Mallory that for the past few years a man in California had been harassing him, calling the police in the town where he lived and filing customer disputes with a credit reporting service in his name. But there is a problem. The man in California, who also said his name was William woods, had reported to the police that the William woods, employed at the University of Iowa had stolen his identity. Both men said they had proof. So what did you think of these two stories? I mean, what did you think was going on?
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Detective Ian Mallory
I really had no idea at the onset of the investigation when I was handed a stack of paperwork, basically paperwork that William woods from Wisconsin had submitted saying this is who I am and this is my life, and paperwork that William woods of California had submitted. I really didn't know what to think. Both individuals had quite a story to tell, and it was unique in the fact that both people said that the other person wasn't the real person. So there's no way that two human beings could have the same name, the same date of birth, the same Social Security number, and acknowledge that the other person existed. So someone clearly was not telling the truth.
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Phoebe Judge
I'm Phoebe Judge. This is criminal. Detective Ian Mallory said that it was hard to keep the two men straight. Eventually, he settled on nicknames.
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Detective Ian Mallory
I called them California Bill and Wisconsin Bill to delineate between the two.
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Phoebe Judge
Wisconsin Bill was the man who worked for the University of Iowa Hospital in the IT department. California Bill was living in Los Angeles.
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Brittany Mejia
But he has really bounced around in his life. And I think that's the sense I got even from talking to him, is that his trajectory has been kind of all over the place. He's been around the country.
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Phoebe Judge
LA Times reporter Brittany Mejia. California Bill told Brittany Mejia that he had lived in Kentucky, New Mexico, Texas, and Nevada before he eventually ended up in California.
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Brittany Mejia
He gets to Southern California, spends several years in San Diego. He told me he worked a tech job there, and then he moved to Santa Monica in 2009. Then he stays in hotels and motels around the area. You know, he sells gemstones, gold scraps, or other items he found on the streets of downtown LA's jewelry district.
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Phoebe Judge
He often didn't have a place to live. At one point, he learned from a credit report that he had over $200,000 of debt in his name, mostly car loans and one personal loan. He also learned there were bank accounts he'd never opened.
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Brittany Mejia
On August 20, 2019, William goes to this LA branch of a national bank, tells them, you know, that he'd recently discovered someone was using his credit.
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Phoebe Judge
So.
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Brittany Mejia
So he is asking them, you know, can I get my account numbers? I want to close my accounts. So he gives the assistant branch manager his Social Security card, his California id, and that name and Social Security number matched what was on the bank accounts. But because there was so much money in the accounts, the bank employee, you know, she asked him that the security questions that we're all familiar with, that.
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Phoebe Judge
We use set up with accounts, he couldn't answer them. The assistant manager called the phone number on file for the accounts. William woods in Wisconsin answered.
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Brittany Mejia
He told her, no one in California should be accessing his bank account. He correctly answered the security questions. So then the assistant branch manager called the cops. LAPD officers get there, they arrest William woods, and they arrest him. For unauthorized use of personal information.
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Phoebe Judge
California Bill was eventually charged with identity theft and false impersonation.
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Brittany Mejia
William woods is telling the judge, you know, I am William Woods. And I remember when I talked to the court reporter who covered the case and she had told me like, you know, it was clear to her that William woods had some mental health issues, but that he was always respectful. But she was there and so she saw kind of the outbursts that were going on. And he was kind of shouting out during court and talking about like FBI. He brought up the World Trade center and talking about Betsy Ross.
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Phoebe Judge
So basically what's happening is that William woods is saying, I am William woods. This is my name. But he's also talking about conspiracy theories, which makes the lawyer his lawyer. The judge question whether he's, you know, if you're talking about conspiracy theories, how can we expect that you're being truthful about your own name?
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Brittany Mejia
Yes, exactly. I think that that became such like an easy way to basically brush him off because in the context of what he was saying, they were just like, oh, here's another thing he' making up.
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Phoebe Judge
In the court transcripts. California Bill tells the judge, I want to talk to the FBI. The judge says, you can give them a call. His lawyer eventually said that he wasn't competent to stand trial. Was it because of these outbursts?
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Brittany Mejia
Yes, it was. His lawyer was basically saying, based on my conversations with my client, I don't think he's competent. So the judge ends up suspending the criminal proceedings against him and says, you know, a psychiatrist needs to be appointed. And so then in February 2020, the judge finds that he's not mentally competent to stand trial. And he ends up being ordered to a psychiatric hospital and ordered to receive psychotropic medication.
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Phoebe Judge
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Detective Ian Mallory
He seemed concerned. He provided me a lot of information that he's been through this before, that someone in California had stolen his identity. He said, you know, I'm just used to this. I get bills, I get statements, I get collections, people calling me, and it's all because of this guy in California. And basically in this conversation, this is when he told me, I really don't think you're going to be able to help me because I've had so many other agencies try and help me. And they were not successful.
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Phoebe Judge
Detective Ian Mallory started requesting any criminal records under the name William woods and the birth date both men had given him.
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Detective Ian Mallory
It just seemed like both individuals kind of merged the records together. So running the names in the databases that we have access to really produced a record of great length. One person committed a crime on one side of the United States, but then another person could commit a crime on the other side of the United States. But the proximity of time just seemed too coincidental, too close. So I validated each individual contact with law enforcement by obtaining booking photographs and fingerprint cards from every arrest or every contact with the police that I could possibly find. That was really step one.
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Phoebe Judge
He was hoping to find a booking photograph for each time William woods had been arrested so he could tell which of the two men was actually there.
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Detective Ian Mallory
I contacted one particular location and I asked for a. A booking photo. And they said, well, these booking photos aren't digitized. I said, yeah, you probably have a Polaroid somewhere in a box in an old storage facility. And the lady I talked to on the phone asked me what a Polaroid was. So I said, I need to talk to the oldest records clerk you have available to you. So just getting records of this age was pretty interesting and difficult. It was also unique that we didn't use modern techniques where there were no cell phone records, cell tower dumps, or cell phone extractions, no geolocation information. It was old historical data that isn't quite used so frequently anymore in modern day investigations.
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Phoebe Judge
Detective Mallory eventually received documents from all over the country, including California, Oregon, Colorado, Idaho, Iowa, Wisconsin and Kentucky. He also received a birth certificate from California Bill.
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Detective Ian Mallory
It was a picture of a photocopy of an original birth certificate from 1967. I had that birth certificate validated from the Kentucky Bureau of Vital Statistics, and they told me that it is an accurate representation of what a real birth certificate would look like in 1967. So then I asked William woods of Wisconsin for a birth certificate to show his birth validity. And he sent me a birth certificate which was a reprint that was created in 2012. And that reprint birth certificate looked very strange from the state of Kentucky. But ultimately the Kentucky Bureau of Vital Statistics validated that that reprint birth certificate was legitimate and correct for the period in time from 2012. And they basically told me that both of those birth records were from the same file number and from the same birth record. So at that moment, I know that both individuals had sent me essentially the same birth record.
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Phoebe Judge
On both birth certificates, the name read William Donald Woods. But then Detective Mallory started looking at other documents and he noticed something strange.
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Detective Ian Mallory
William woods of Wisconsin, middle name on his driver's license. And our employment records at the University of Iowa was William David Woods. So immediately I wanted to know, well, why did someone send me a birth record with the middle name not being the same middle name as their driver's license?
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Phoebe Judge
He decided to try and find William woods parents.
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Detective Ian Mallory
I originally tried finding the mother, but, you know, marriage or death or change of name would make that very difficult. I used some law enforcement and open source databases to search for William woods father's name in Kentucky. And I was ultimately able to find a telephone number and cold call Billy Don woods, which is William Woods's father. And I got the correct guy on the first try and was able to communicate with him. He's an older fellow. So a couple of conversations had to take place.
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Phoebe Judge
Billy Don woods told Detective Mallory that he did have a son. He hadn't seen him in years, but they talked regularly. He said his son lived in California.
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Detective Ian Mallory
But that was really never a solidifying answer for me. And that really didn't complete the picture. And I will admit that a part of me considered, could California Bill be a sly criminal himself? Would he be talking to someone, misrepresenting his own identity as this guy in Kentucky's son when he really wasn't his son? So that ended up being the reason why I asked for some DNA.
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Phoebe Judge
Ian Mallory contacted the police in Kentucky and explained the case. A detective went to Billy Don Woods's home and took a cheek swab that he mailed to Detective Mallory. The Kentucky detective also brought some photos with him. He asked Billy Don woods if any were his son. Billy Don woods picked out a picture of California Bill. Detective Mallory also asked California Bill to go to the Santa Monica Police Department. A detective there took his DNA sample and sent it overnight to Detective Mallory.
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Detective Ian Mallory
And I was able to take the two samples and then send them to our Criminalistics Laboratory in Iowa for the comparison.
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Phoebe Judge
And what were the results?
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Detective Ian Mallory
The results, it confirmed what I had suspected, that California Bill was the biological son of the man listed on the birth certificate in Kentucky. That moment was. Was a very exciting moment and a very challenging moment for me. It really invoked two things. Number one, it told us that California Bill had been wrongfully imprisoned. And it also told us 100% that Wisconsin Bill was not the person that he said he was. So who is this guy who is our employee and who has clearly been able to get away with this for more than 30 years?
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Phoebe Judge
Ian Mallory had shared the files he'd been getting about William woods with Iowa's Division of Intelligence. And soon someone there found something. A number for an FBI record attached to a fingerprint file for Wisconsin Bill.
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Detective Ian Mallory
And when we ran that number alone, it came up with a new criminal history record for a person that I had not yet seen, seen fingerprints for.
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Phoebe Judge
It was attached to a criminal trespass case in Albuquerque and a forgery case in Louisville, both from the late 1980s.
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Detective Ian Mallory
And so I went back to work in the phones and I got a very helpful detention records person at Louisville, Kentucky, gave them the FBI record number, not the name and not the date of birth. Because every time I gave the name and date of birth, I would get this kind of convoluted mess. And that detention records clerk was able to provide me a photograph and a 10 print fingerprint card. I believe it was from 1988. And as soon as I saw the picture, the facial features, the nose and the ears, I knew right away that William woods of Wisconsin was really named Matthew David Kearns.
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Phoebe Judge
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Phoebe Judge
Out about Matthew Kearns life?
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Detective Ian Mallory
Matthew Kearns was born in Southern California and was adopted by his adopted parents and had an adoptive brother. And basically I learned only what people close to Matthew Kearns were able to tell me. But he had some contacts with law enforcement as a young man, teenager, early 20s, for some kind of petty crimes, some thefts and some forgeries, and didn't like to appear for court. And he just kind of was always on the run and living a life on the streets.
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Phoebe Judge
Court records showed that Matthew Kierans had run away from home as a teenager. He'd also stolen a car. Like William Woods, Matthew Kierans had moved around a lot. And in 1988, both William woods and Matthew Kierans ended up in Albuquerque, New Mexico. They worked at a hot dog stand together.
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Brittany Mejia
William was telling me that he never really interacted with Matthew until, like, his wallet went missing. Brittany Mejia and he was telling me, you know, he questioned Matthew Kierans about that theft, but he was not responsive, was not like, answering him about what, what had happened to his wallet. And then William's telling me, no, I put my fist in his face and he gave me back my wallet. And, you know, he said he looked inside of it, his Social Security card, his birth certificate were still there. So he kind of brushed it off, thought nothing of it, was kind of like, okay, well, all my stuff's still here, so I'm fine. But then, you know, as the years unfold, and it's in the record that, you know, after 1988, there was no record of Kieran's ever using his own name, date of birth, or Social Security number.
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Phoebe Judge
In 1990, Matthew Kierans got an ID card in Colorado under the name William Woods. He started working at a fast food restaurant. He bought a car, but his check bounced. The police issued an arrest warrant for William Woods. By 1994, Matthew Kierans had moved to Oregon. He met a woman, and six months later, they got married. They moved again to Kentucky for his wife to go to graduate school and then to Wisconsin.
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Trish Mahaffey
He really hadn't had much education, I don't think, but he started taking, I believe, like, you know, computer classes and learning the IT field and started getting jobs that way.
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Phoebe Judge
Trish Mahaffey, a reporter for the Gazette newspaper in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and then.
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Trish Mahaffey
You know, landed the job with the University of Iowa Hospitals, which was a, you know, really good job. He. He was the systems. Systems lead, I believe the IT lead. And so he was making like, over 140,000 a year.
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Brittany Mejia
And he gave the hospital fake ID documents, you know, a fictitious I9 form, fictitious Social Security number, date of birth. He, you know, builds this whole life for himself, is working remotely from his home in Wisconsin, and, you know, between 2016, 2022, he's getting vehicle and personal loans from credit unions underw William woods name totaling more than $200,000. So he's building a life for himself. Like, he has a salary, job, he has a family. It was very different to the life that the real William woods was leading.
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Phoebe Judge
In July of 2023, Detective Mallory found out that Matthew Kearns would be coming to Iowa soon for a work meeting.
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Detective Ian Mallory
And several of the IT colleagues and professionals that work with Kearns were ushered into one room for. And just before Matthew Kearns was taken into that same room for the meeting, he was directed into an adjacent room where myself and one of my colleagues were waiting for him. I introduced myself to Matthew. I called him William Bill at the time, because that's what we were still relying on. Shook his hand. I said, my name is Ian. And as I shook his hand and held that handshake for a little while, I told him that he was under arrest.
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Phoebe Judge
Matthew Kierans was brought to the police station where he was photographed and fingerprinted. And then Ian Mallory began to interview him. They spoke for six hours.
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Detective Ian Mallory
Matthew Kearns, the entire time that we spoke, from the moment that we met until several hours into interview, maintained his innocence, was confused about what this was all about and why we were talking to him, and really played dumb. At one point in Time I said, bill, did you ever think this day was going to come? And he said, what day? I don't know what you're talking about. What do you mean, this day I was ever going to come.
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Phoebe Judge
Matthew Kierans called William woods, quote, crazy and said he should be locked up.
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Detective Ian Mallory
The interview took its turn when I confronted Matt with the fact that previously in the interview and from William Wood's Wisconsin statements, he had told me that both of his parents were not alive. So I told him a fact that he would not be able to skirt around and that he would have to address, and that was that I had found his father and his father was actually alive. And that moment was a no win situation for Matthew Kearns. I asked him what his dad's name was and he gave me his adoptive father's real name. Accidentally, he said, John. And he realized he slipped up and gave me the wrong father's name. He took a deep breath and he rest his head against the interview room wall and then looked back at me. And then he changed it. He said, my dad's name is Billy. Billy Don Woods. I was named after him. So that was the start of the moment of this dance where Matthew Kearns knew that I knew that I knew that he knew that I knew, and so on and so forth. And it was really a matter of it's just time to just say it.
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Phoebe Judge
Ian Mallory told Matthew Kierans about the DNA test results.
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Detective Ian Mallory
And ultimately Matthew Kearns stopped the charade and just said, my life is over, isn't it? Matthew Kearns said, ian, my name is Matthew David Kearns. He provided me his real birth date and said, I have a Social Security number, but I don't remember what it is.
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Phoebe Judge
Ian Mallory later learned that Matthew Kierans had looked up William woods family on Ancestry.com he used the information to get a copy of William Woods's birth certificate. He needed it to get a driver's license, but on the application he had used his real middle name, David, instead of Donald. Did you get a sense of why he did this?
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Detective Ian Mallory
No. Matthew Kearns is a professional manipulator and he has been lying and manipulating for most of his adult life, if not all of his life. He gave reasons in interview of why he had been living a false identity. Things like he didn't like his childhood, he didn't like the person that he was and he was growing up and he wanted to escape poor family dynamics and the best way for him to do that is to just start over with a new life.
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Phoebe Judge
Matthew Kierans later said he felt relieved it was finally over.
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Brittany Mejia
I think for William woods, the arrest of Matthew Kierans was. I. I just feel like he had been striving for that for years. He had been waiting for someone to finally listen to him and, you know, actually believe that he was who he said he was. And. And in my speaking with him, it was just a relief. I think he was just like, finally someone listened to me, finally someone heard me. And so, in some sense, yeah, it's a relief. But in the other, it's kind of like frustration I think I got from him that no one would listen.
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Phoebe Judge
Matthew Kierans was charged with lying to a credit union and aggravated identity theft. He pleaded guilty. Trish Mahaffey went to the sentencing hearing.
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Trish Mahaffey
The judge really. He really said that parents was just callous and ruthless for his manipulation of the criminal justice system. He said that. I mean, basically that, you know, he. He blamed Matthew Karens for, you know, keeping it up. You know, like, every time they would call Matthew Karens about this, he would just, you know, say that he was the real Bill woods and this other guy had been, you know, lying about it for years.
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Phoebe Judge
Federal prosecutors described the case as a Kafkaesque plot that resulted in the false imprisonment, involuntary hospitalization, and forced medication of the real William Woods. The judge said, quote, what the victim was deprived of here was priceless. It's freedom. William woods was also at Matthew Kieran's sentencing hearing.
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Detective Ian Mallory
I was not expecting to see him or meet him when I had the opportunity to. We were literally walking to the courtroom for sentencing. I wish I could have had some more time to catch up with him and to converse with him. So it was a very quick, rushed initial meeting. I gave him a hug, shook his hand. He had a huge smile on his face.
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Phoebe Judge
At the hearing, Matthew Kieran spoke briefly. He said, my intentions were not to hurt anyone.
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Trish Mahaffey
I mean, that was what was so, I guess, disappointing to me because I thought, you know, he would. We would finally hear maybe something from him. But he kind of. He apologized and he said he never wanted. It was never he. His intention to hurt anyone. But he didn't apologize to Bill Woods. He never, you know, brought him up even.
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Detective Ian Mallory
He had a moment in front of everyone where he could have done the right thing, and he chose not to.
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Trish Mahaffey
I kept watching Matthew Karen's, But I never saw him really look at Bill Woods.
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Phoebe Judge
Matthew Kieran's wife and son did not attend the hearings, but wrote letters of support for him. His wife described him as a hard worker. She Said that he was motivated to create the family and home he did not have in his youth. She wrote that he was spending his time in jail reading. He'd asked her for books to help him become a more virtuous person. She also wrote as his wife, as the one person who has been at his side the longest, Matt is still mystifying to me. Had I known we could and would have righted his wrongs decades earlier. Matthew Kierans was sentenced to 12 years in federal prison. He was also ordered to pay restitution to William Woods. He's appealing his sentence. William woods told a reporter after the hearing, I was sent to jail for nothing, for being myself. The truth is important, and now the truth is known. I mean, this is a real nightmare scenario that you go in to say, wait a second, someone's stealing my stuff, and they say, oh, no, no, you're the one who's lying.
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Brittany Mejia
Yeah, this is definitely just a nightmare situation. I just can't imagine living in a situation where no one believes that I'm me. Like, I feel that, unfortunately, William woods was kind of the perfect victim, if that makes sense. This is someone who is unhoused, who's vulnerable, appeared to be dealing with, like, mental health issues. And it was someone that basically people wouldn't believe.
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Phoebe Judge
How is William doing now?
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Brittany Mejia
So what's interesting is when I connected with William, I just got the sense when I had called him, even after with Kieran's in prison at the time, you know, William's telling me, like, he's still struggling. Like, he, at the point when I talked to him, had moved to Albuquerque. You know, he's living in a hotel. Then he, you know, wound up living in a van in El Paso. And, you know, when I talked to him, he was just like, still bouncing around. And I guess there's an expectation that things will fall into place, you know, now that he has identity back and, you know, I don't know, I think he is really grappling with starting over and, you know, what his life is going to look like from this point.
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Phoebe Judge
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