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The Reverend
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In 1977, a man named Robert Burns went to a funeral and shot someone, in the head, in front of 300 people. He didn’t deny it, and his lawyer didn’t deny it. Burns told a police officer: “I had to do it. And if I had to do it over, I’d do it again.”
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Phoebe Judge
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Phoebe Judge
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Harper Lee
In small town life and in rural life, one knows one's neighbors. Life is slower there. We simply entertain each other by talking. It's quite a thing if you've never gone, or if you've never known a Southern small town.
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Phoebe Judge
This is Harper Lee speaking to WQXR, a New York radio station, in 1964.
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Harper Lee
The people there are not particularly worldly wise in any way, but they tell you a story every time you see one. We are oral types. We talk.
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Phoebe Judge
Harper Lee was born in 1926 in Monroeville, Alabama. She's best known for her book To Kill a Mockingbird. She submitted the completed manuscript to her publisher in 1959. Five days later, she packed her things and moved to Garden City, Kansas to research a crime that had been making national headlines. The Clutters, a wealthy family of four, had been murdered. She went with her childhood friend and next door neighbor, author Truman Capote. He'd invited her to be his research assistant. They agreed on a fee of $900. She was excited to work on nonfiction to learn how to tell a true crime story. She later told a reporter the crime intrigued him, and I'm intrigued with crime and boy, I wanted to go.
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Casey Sepp
So if you go to the New York Public Library, you can look in the Capote archive at these extraordinary reporting notes that Harper Lee made for Truman Capote in the in 1959 and 1960 during their first few reporting trips in Kansas.
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Phoebe Judge
Author Casey Sepp.
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Casey Sepp
And you know, she's an incredibly scrupulous reporter. She made these very detailed notes for him.
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Phoebe Judge
Truman Capote published a series of pieces about the Clutter murders in the New Yorker and, and later expanded them into a book, In Cold Blood. Harper Lee had spent six years helping him research and shape the book, and her role was widely known to the people in Kansas. But Truman Capote never acknowledged that she'd helped report or tell the story. Some people have speculated that he didn't give her credit because he was jealous. To Kill a Mockingbird had made Harper Lee famous. She won both the National Book Award and the Pulitzer Prize. Here she is in 1964.
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Harper Lee
Well, my objectives are very limited. I simply want to do the best I can with the talent that God gave me. I suppose I would like to be the chronicler of something that I think is going down the drain very swiftly, and that is small town, middle class, Southern life. In other words, all I want to be is a Gene Austin of south Alabama.
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Phoebe Judge
In 1977, people in Alexander City, Alabama, began to see Harper Lee around their town. A man named Robert Burns had gone to a funeral and shot someone in the head in the middle of the day in front of 300 people. He didn't deny it, his lawyer didn't deny it. And Harper Lee thought it might be time to write her own true crime book. I'm Phoebe Judge. This is criminal. Robert Burns was on trial for the murder of Willie Maxwell. Both men were middle aged, both were African American. Newspapers reported that on his way to jail, Robert Burns told the police officer, I had to do it and if I had to do it over, I'd do it again. His defense attorney was a man named Tom Radney. In his opening statement, Tom Radney told the jury, we admit he killed him and we admit he shot him three times, and we admit he died as a result of the gunshot wounds that Robert Louis Burns put in him.
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Casey Sepp
You know, it's basically a prosecutor's dream. He just admits to everything and says, you know, we're not gonna dispute any of these facts, but we're gonna try and contextualize them and we're gonna give you a reason. And of course, you know, that is a bold strategy.
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Phoebe Judge
Willie Maxwell was a well known minister. Most people called him Reverend Maxwell. And by the time he was killed in 1977, everyone knew who he was. As one local paper reported, the attraction of the case is expected to be generated more by Reverend Maxwell's life than by his death. Six people who had been close to him had died in seven years, most of them family members. In each case, there were rumors that Reverend Maxwell had been involved, but the police could never prove it. People were afraid of him. He was born in Coosa county, Alabama, in 1925. He was drafted into the army during World War II, where he became a sergeant. When he returned from the war in 1947, segregation limited his access to jobs that paid well. He worked several jobs at once in the timber industry, at a rock quarry, and in the same textile factory that manufactured the uniforms that he'd worn in the Army. He married a woman named Mary Lou Edwards.
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Casey Sepp
So they got married in 1949, and they stayed married until 1970. And by all accounts, the kind of outward account of their marriage was one that was happy and faithful. So the beginning of their marriage isn't as notable as what happened several decades into it in 1970.
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Phoebe Judge
Casey Sepp says that Willie Maxwell was gaining a reputation as a charismatic and charming preacher. He was sometimes invited to various congregations and to speak at revivals. He had been ordained in 1962 and went on to get a certificate of theological study from selma University. On August 3, 1970, he was invited to preach at a revival in the.
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Casey Sepp
Nearby town of Auburn and supposedly spent most of that night preaching. And left his wife at home shelling peas and had told her to leave the phone on the hook because he was going to call when the revival had ended and he was on his way home so that she would know. And what he says happened is he called home and she never answered. And then when he finally got home from Auburn, she wasn't there. And he didn't know what had happened to her, but he figured she was visiting a sister, which she did quite often. And so he went to bed. And it was only several hours later when he woke up and she still wasn't home that he began to worry.
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Phoebe Judge
Reverend Maxwell called Mary Lou's mother and sister. They hadn't seen her. Then he called Their next door neighbor, a woman named Dorcas Anderson, who was very close with Mary Lou. She had seen Mary Lou, but much earlier in the day. Then he called the police. He said he thought his wife may have been in a car accident. He said they might go look on Highway 22 that very night.
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Casey Sepp
They found Mary Lou Maxwell dead several miles from her home. She was in her car. But what had looked from the outside of the car like a car accident wasn't that at all. And her body was quite beaten and quite disturbed.
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Phoebe Judge
The Maxwell's neighbor, Dorcas Anderson, told police that Mary Lou Maxwell had been worried and anxious all that day and that she'd come over that night saying that Willie had called because he'd been in a car accident. Dorcas Anderson told police that Mary Lou said that Willie needed her to go get him. This was the opposite of what the reverend had told them.
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Casey Sepp
When they began asking questions about the reverend, they also learned that the marriage was not as happy as it had seemed in the kind of public facade offered by the reverend to these congregations and to these places where he was invited to preach. And quite quickly they were told that the reverend had been, you know, unfaithful to his wife and that there were several women and there was reason to believe that the marriage was not nearly as happy as the reverend had led folks to believe. And when the police went to speak with some of Mary Lou Maxwell's siblings in, in fact, one of the very sisters the reverend said she had probably been visiting that day. That sister said almost right away that she thought the reverend had been involved and that probably he had murdered her sister.
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Phoebe Judge
We'll be right back.
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Phoebe Judge
Mary Lou Maxwell's death, Willie Maxwell began to write letters to life insurance companies asking for his checks.
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Casey Sepp
There was a kind of technical legal dispute over whether or not homicide constituted accidental death. He held all of these accidental death policies on his wife, which again, at the start of things isn't, you know, isn't odd in any respect. Obviously, many of us insure our spouses and it's considered good family planning to make sure that, you know, if you were to die, that your family would be provided for. But in the case of the reverend, there were actually a large number of policies and some of them had been taken out not long before his wife's murder.
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Phoebe Judge
Willie Maxwell's trial for the murder of Mary Lou Maxwell began and ended on the same day. He hired a lawyer named Tom Radney to defend him. The neighbor, Dorcas Anderson, was slated to be the star witness because she was the last person to see Mary Lou alive. The prosecution expected her to repeat what she told police, but when she took the stand, she told a different story. She testified that there was no way Willie Maxwell could have committed the murder. Later, when Dorcas Anderson was called to testify in one of Willie Maxwell's civil lawsuits against a life insurance company, she introduced herself as Dorcas Maxwell.
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John Denson
And I told her to. Well, I had told the jury before on the opening statement that you're going to have a preacher here and don't let that affect your ability to find him guilty of murder because he was preaching on Sunday and killing on Monday.
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Phoebe Judge
This is John Denson. He represented an insurance company in one of Willie Maxwell's civil lawsuits. His job was to prove that if Willie killed Mary Lou, the life insurance policies he'd taken out on her would be invalid.
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John Denson
So I put her on and I told her to tell the jury her name. And she said, I'm Mrs. Maxwell. And I said, Ms. Anderson, you've changed your name? And she said, yes. I said, well, Wendy, who are you married to? She said, I'm married to the Reverend. I said, you married to Reverend Maxwell? When was that? And she told me a date. I said, what happened to your husband? Well, he died suddenly. And I said, well, all right. Would you tell the jury what you saw on the night of so and so? And she said, no, I refused to testify against my husband, so that was my case. And I had no witness really to refute his testimony. So it was undisputed and testimony for the jury that he was not at the scene of the murder.
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Casey Sepp
Between when Mary Lou Maxwell had been found murdered and the Reverend's trial for her murder, Dorcas Anderson's husband had died under what some folks in the area felt were suspicious circumstances. And after his death, she then married the Reverend.
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Phoebe Judge
Dorcas Anderson's husband had als. His doctors thought he had years to live, but In May of 1971, he suddenly died. No autopsy was performed. The cause of death was listed as pneumonia.
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Casey Sepp
You know, there was a tremendous amount of gossip about how the Reverend had gotten away with all this and how he had made so much money. The folks around Lake Martin really start to talk about the Reverend and they no longer think that he's just, you know, a hardworking millworker or a gifted preach. They start to wonder if he's not a voodoo practitioner.
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Phoebe Judge
The suspicious Deaths continued. In February 1972, Willie Maxwell's brother was found dead. Attorney John Denson.
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John Denson
So his brother, John Columbus Maxwell, was found in an unconscious, highly intoxicated condition of 0.41, which is deadly. I mean, 0.08 is the level. And people said there's no way the man could have drunk that much by himself. He would have passed out. So the suspicion was that he'd been forced. The whiskey had been forced down him.
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Phoebe Judge
In May of that year, Dorcas Anderson and Willie Maxwell had a child. And then in September, Dorcas Anderson was found dead. She was found in her car on the side of the road just as Mary Lou Maxwell had been found.
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Casey Sepp
Once again, her car was found abandoned on the side of a road in what seemed to be a staged car accident, although the external damage to the car did not at all explain the contents of the car, which was her body turned over in the front wheel well in a kind of unnatural position that the police once again felt certain had been staged.
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Phoebe Judge
The police were not able to prove that any crime had occurred. Coroners ruled that Dorcas Anderson died of natural causes. Willie Maxwell was free to go and free to begin requesting payment on the 17 life insurance policies he'd taken out on his second wife. He collected $80,000.
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Casey Sepp
By, you know, April of 1973, when he succeeded in getting the last one of these payouts, he had managed to cobble together $1,000 here, $3,000 there, $5,000 there. So actually a large number of policies, 17 in total, to get that $80,000.
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Phoebe Judge
The life insurance industry began in earnest after the Civil War. Casey Sepp says that by 1920, there were almost as many life insurance policies as there were Americans. And she says that by the time Willie Maxwell was taking out policies, the industry had become large, lawless and lucrative. It was easy to take out a policy and easy to do it without anyone knowing.
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Casey Sepp
You know, you could walk into a bar and there might be a matchbook, and when you opened it, you know, it had the five questions you had to answer. And for a quarter they would give you a thousand dollar policy. And these burial policies were very popular because for people, for working class people, all they really needed was enough money to cover their funeral and burial. And that meant they wouldn't be a burden on their loved ones even if they weren't a kind of profitable death. And so, you know, company after company around the country offered these kind of lower denomination policies, but the expectation was you would only have one, not that you would have 17 on the same person.
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Phoebe Judge
Willie Maxwell had policies on everyone. His mother, his aunts and uncles, nieces and nephews, even his own infant child.
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Casey Sepp
So if he knew your date of birth and he could somehow get a hold of your Social Security number, you know, he would mail away the reply card. And for a quarter, for 50 cents, for 75 cents, for a dollar, he would initiate these policies. And it was a full year before you had to pay a renewal fee. So for about a year, you know, he would, he would hold truly these insurance policies where in the event that that person died, you know, for a quarter he had made $1,000 or for 50 cents, he had made $3,000.
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Phoebe Judge
Eventually, life insurance companies started to catch on.
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Casey Sepp
So when these companies, when these insurance companies started to realize what was happening, they of course tried to stop payment. And what happens then is what happens today in the event that, you know, you have a policy with Nationwide and, you know, your loved one dies and they try to stop payment, you have to take that insurance company to court and that is what Tom Rodney did on the Reverend's behalf. And you know, again, he did it for the $1,000 policies and he did it for the $20,000 policies. And these cases went before juries. And, you know, the matter at was not only whether the policy was applicable or enforceable, but also to some extent whether some of these double indemnity clause applied and just how much money the Reverend was going to get. Because as far as the insurance companies were concerned, he deserved $0. And as far as the Reverend was concerned, he was owed double the face value of any of them. And so he succeeded most of the time in getting at least half of the face value of the policies. And that happened death after death. And a lot of people around Lake Martin were not only apprehensive of the reven, they were apprehensive of his lawyer. And so lucrative was the business of representing the Reverend Maxwell that when Tom Rodney built a new law office, folks around Lake Martin called it the Maxwell House. And, you know, he was really one of Tom Radney's most notorious clients.
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Phoebe Judge
Tom Radney filed so many lawsuits on Willie Maxwell's behalf that he was running out of potential jurors. Casey Sapp writes, it seemed there was hardly a man or woman who had not heard the Rev. Pleta's case against one insurance company or another. Casey Sepp interviewed Tom Radney before his death in 2011.
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Casey Sepp
And for a long time, Tom insisted on the Reverend's innocence. And as far as the legal system was concerned, he was owed all of this insurance money. And it didn't matter that there was this pattern of death that followed him or this kind of profitable side to all of these deaths. But, you know, Tom was just doing his job as a lawyer and he represented anyone, so why wouldn't he have represented the Reverend Maxwell? And you know, while we were talking about it, he would say, you know, of course, a lot of African Americans were denied the kind of legal representation they deserved.
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Phoebe Judge
In 1976, Willie Maxwell's nephew, James Hicks, was found dead in a car on the same road where Dorcas Anderson's body had been found. The medical examiner said there was nothing, quote, which would adequately account for the death of this subject. We'll be right back.
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Casey Sepp
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Phoebe Judge
At this point, five people closely associated with Willie Maxwell had died. He got married again. His third wife was named Ophelia Burns. They lived with two children, the son Willie Maxwell had had with Dorcas Anderson, and a teenage relative of Ophelia's named Shirley Ann Allington. In 1977, Shirley Ann Allington was found dead a mile from their house. She was 16.
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Casey Sepp
What the police thought when they arrived at the scene was that she had maybe been changing a tire. The lug nuts were removed and the wheel was off the axle, and Shirley Ann was under the weight of the car. And, you know, once again, that was very quickly disproved by their investigation. It had just been staged that way. And that actually she had been. The coroner's finding was that she had been strangled to death that day in June. And once again, after their initial investigation, the police thought the reverend was the most likely suspect. And this was a tremendously difficult time for the folks around Lake Martin. It wasn't just that Shirley Ann Ellington was 16, which was obviously a scandal in its own right. It was, of course, the fact that here again was another one of the reverend's relatives found dead under very similarly suspicious circumstances. And there was real terror and fear. And again, I think that inevitably, when you look back at crimes like this, you know, there's a kind of elegance in hindsight that makes things seem obvious. But for the people who lived in this part of Alabama, you know, this was. This started in 1970, and here by the summer of 77, it just seemed like things were accelerating. And it seemed more and more like there was nothing the police could do.
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Phoebe Judge
On June 18, 1977, the funeral for Shirley Ann Ellington was held at House of Hutchinson Funeral Home in Alexander City. People didn't expect Willie Maxwell to come, but he did with his wife.
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Casey Sepp
You know, 300 people were gathered into that funeral home, and they were already on edge and they were already afraid, and they were all of, you know, on top of the kind of, you know, straightforward earthly rumors about murder and methodology, there was this, you know, heightened fear around the kind of supernatural stories people told about the reverend. And, you know, some people said he was wearing a bulletproof vest, and some people said, you know, he had more powders and poisons on his body. And some people said, you know, you couldn't even look him in the eye. So, you know, all of this was happening in this kind of saturated space of the funeral home. And there was so much talk. And so Shirley Ann Ellington, near the end of it, one of her sisters, you know, had been crying and had gone up to the casket to see her sister and cried out from the back of the funeral home, you killed my sister. And now you're going to pay for it.
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Phoebe Judge
One of Shirley Ann Ellington's relatives, a man named Robert Burns, stood up in the pew behind Willie Maxwell and fired three shots directly at his head.
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Casey Sepp
You know, it was a totally chaotic scene when the shots were fired, and people didn't know what was happening and they didn't know where to go. And there was a kind of stampede to get out of the funeral home. And, you know, people on that street were instantly told, you know, Will Maxwell had been shot. You know, the reverend's been gunned down. And so, you know, Obviously there are 300 witnesses to this murder to some extent. You know, there were that many people there, and some of them were so scared they couldn't count the shots. And others of them claimed to have, you know, waited outside the funeral home to learn more about who had done it. And once word spread about who had fired the shots, it was immediately explicable to people why. And to some extent, there was a kind of instant narrative about, you know, this vigilante. There's a man named Robert Burns.
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Phoebe Judge
Robert Burns was arrested. When he was asked why he did it, he said he was worried about the safety and, well, being of the people around Lake Martin. He said he didn't want anyone else he loved to be murdered. The Montgomery Advertiser reported that people felt a, quote, sense of relief that Willie Maxwell was dead.
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Casey Sepp
So after Shirley Ann's funeral, you know, if you can believe it, the Reverend's funeral was even larger because there were so many people who came just to make sure he was really dead.
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Phoebe Judge
District Attorney Tom Young said that the case against Robert Burns would be, quote, treated as an out and out murder. Robert Burns hired Willie Maxwell's longtime attorney to defend him. Tom Radney takes his case.
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Casey Sepp
Yeah, I mean, one of the, you know, the kind of. There are so many oddities and idiosyncrasies about this case. And, you know, it's not just the complexity of the insurance fraud and it's not just the kind of deep weirdness of the investigations and the feel, failure to reach a kind of straightforward cause of death, determination, and just all of those kinds of ins and outs of what people knew and when they knew it and who was related to whom. And this sort of business. Yes, one of the kind of oddest things about this case is right away, when the Reverend is gunned down, Tom Radney, this lawyer who spent so many years representing him, decides to take the case of the vigilante who murdered him. Obviously, a lot of people wondered what was going on. Was he going to really defend Bern? Robert Burns was, you know, was this an effort to protect the Reverend's reputation after his murder? Was it an effort to rescue his own reputation? You know, a lot of people thought, well, maybe Tom Rodney was just trying to change the narrative about who he was and the kinds of cases he would take and that this was his way of atoning for all the years he had represented the reverend and all the money he had made.
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Phoebe Judge
The District attorney, Tom Young, and Tom Radney had argued against each other many times in court before Tom Radney had to figure out what, if any, defense he could make for Robert Burns and what defense Tom Young wouldn't see coming. He decided to move forward with the defense of not guilty by reason of insanity.
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Casey Sepp
He had arrived at this defense partly because, even though it was before an official diagnosis of PTSD even existed, Robert Burns had served in Vietnam and had, like a lot of men who served in Vietnam in combat, had had a very harrowing experience and had lost another nephew during Vietnam and had seen many of his. Many of the men in his unit die. And actually the episode in the church, in the chapel when Robert Burns murdered the Reverend was just a PTSD episode. And that, you know, he had just been temporarily insane in that moment and not able to distinguish between right and wrong. And that was. That was what led him murder the reverend, and he could not be held responsible because it was just an episode of ptsd.
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Phoebe Judge
Tom Radney also reminded the jury about all of Willie Maxwell's own relatives who had died under mysterious circumstances. According to the Alabama Journal, Radney questioned witnesses continually about Maxwell being an alleged voodoo practitioner and his involvement in the five deaths.
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Casey Sepp
He was just trying to remind the jury that a very bad man had been killed. And a very bad man who was menacing the community in a way the police couldn't stop was finally stopped by his client.
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Phoebe Judge
Harper Lee was in the courtroom. She'd met Tom Radney a year before at the Democratic National Convention. They'd gotten along. He sent her a summary of the case, and she was intrigued. She set up camp in Alexander City. In the end, Robert Burns was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Tom Radney had won the case, and Harper Lee got to work.
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Casey Sepp
It's pretty incredible, you know, she did exactly what she had done with Truman Capote out in Kansas when he was working on In Cold Blood and when they were investigating the Clutter murders together. She got to know the lawyers who were involved in these cases and looked for evidence and primary source documents and, you know, went to the department of vital statistics and obtained death certificates and birth certificates and, you know, paid the court reporter for a full transcript of the Burns trial and went and interviewed, you know, relatives of the reverend and relatives of the reverend's victims, and, you know, just scooted around town, busy as a bee for almost a year.
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Phoebe Judge
After the trial, Robert Burns was briefly institutionalized at a psychiatric hospital in Tuscaloosa. A psychiatrist who evaluated him said, in a way, killing Willie Maxwell was the sanest thing anybody did all summer. Why, I probably would have killed that man myself. When Robert Burns was released from the hospital, Harper Lee interviewed him twice. She met with the family members of the people Willie Maxwell had allegedly killed. Tom Radney gave her a suitcase full of documents, insurance paperwork, legal briefs, everything he had relating to Willie Maxwell. He told her to keep it as long as she needed to write her true crime book. She was calling it the Reverend when.
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Casey Sepp
She had finished the reporting of the Reverend and tried to do the writing. It seems to have become difficult in the way that all writing projects had been difficult for her. And even worse than that, she was one of these writers who had, you know, strong feelings about how, you know, serious writing had to be difficult and that you had to struggle for it. And, you know, she would go around quoting Jean Fowler, saying, you know, that writing you know, writing was what happened when you sat down to the typewriter and waited for your forehead to bleed. And I just think that can be such a self reinforcing notion about writing. So however, you know, optimistic and excited she was when she was in Alexander City when she left, she really struggled with the book.
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Phoebe Judge
Over the years, people have said all kinds of things about the status of the reverend and whether the book exists at all. In 1997, 20 years after Willie Maxwell was killed, Tom Radney said that he and Harper Lee still spoke twice a year and that each time she told him the book was still in progress. Others have said that Harper Lee told them the book was nearly done, that it just needed an ending. Someone said the book was finished and locked in a trunk. Someone else said they'd read it and it was even better than In Cold Blood. Casey Sepp writes that Harper Lee was so elusive that even her mysteries have mysteries. Harper Lee died in 2016.
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Harper Lee
I'm a slow worker, I think a steady worker. You know, so many writers don't like to write. I think that that's their chief complaint. They hate to write. They must. They do it under the compulsion that makes any artist what he is, but they really don't. I don't enjoy sitting down and trying to turn a thought into a reasonable sentence, but I do. I like to write and sometimes I'm afraid that I like it too much because when I get into work, I don't want to leave it.
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Phoebe Judge
Casey Sepp's book about Harper Lee and Willie Maxwell is called the Furious Murder, Fraud and the Last Trial of Harper Lee. Criminal is created by Lauren Spohr and me. Nydia Wilson is our senior producer. Katie Bishop is our supervising producer. Our producers are Susannah Roberson, Jackie Sagico, Lily Clark, Lena Sillison and Megan Kinane. Our show is mixed and engineered by Veronica Simonetti. Julian Alexander makes original illustrations for each episode of Criminal. You can see them@thisiscriminal.com and you can sign up for our newsletter@thisiscriminal.com Newsletter we hope you'll join our new membership program Criminal Plus. Once you sign up, you can listen ad free to Criminal episodes and episodes of our other shows. This is Love and Phoebe Reads a Mystery. I just finished reading a new book on Phoebe Reads a Mystery about a detective named Lady Molly who solves crimes at Scotland Yard. I really enjoyed it. To learn more about criminal plus, go to thisiscriminal.com plus we're on Facebook and Twitter imalshow and Instagram @criminalpodcast. We're also on YouTube at YouTube.com criminalpodcast. Criminal is part of the Vox Media Podcast Network. Discover more great shows@podcast.voxmedia.com I'm Phoebe Judge. This is Criminal. Support for this show comes from Saks.com start crossing names off your gift list this holiday season by browsing Saks.com's gift guide. For your parents, you can find a sleep set from Everyday or a night cream from La Mer. For your Fashion Forward sibling, you can find a pair of cashmere gloves or a handbag from Prada. And for those obsessed with their home, find joyful decor from Ralph Lauren. Find something special for each person on your list with a handpicked guide from.
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Casey Sepp
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