Transcript
A (0:00)
Hey, everyone, this is Ann Emerson. Welcome to Crimly Obsessed. I want to read you something that broke my heart as a mom. I can't even begin to put myself in my parents shoes. But one thing I keep coming back to is how frightened they must have been. Those words are from Jake Reiner about his mom and dad. Rob and Michelle were murdered in their home. Police say their other son, Nick, stabbed them to death. Nick was back in court for his preliminary hearing on this case. Turns out the autopsy reports on his parents are still not ready. Four months later, no reason was given in court, but it means that this case is now stalled until September. Nick was wearing a yellow jail jumper and he stayed quiet through the proceedings, only answering yes to the judge when he was asked direct questions. And according to some reports, he was glaring at the prosecution. His drug use and mental health problems, of course, have been brought into question. Will he go for an insanity defense?
B (1:01)
There are very, very complex and serious issues that are associated with this case. The big question is, did he appreciate at the time that what he was doing was wrong?
A (1:14)
I've got Dr. Joni Johnson with me. She's a forensic psychologist who's testified on the stand about the mental health capacity of murder suspects. We're talking to her about everything from BR chemistry to potential mental health testimony, drug abuse and grief.
B (1:31)
I mean, to see a double parasite like this, I mean, is very, very, very rare.
A (1:36)
Like, subscribe and turn on those notifications. You do not want to miss an episode. Let's get into it. Doctor Johnson, thank you so much for joining us today. It's so good to speak with you. The work you do as far as helping us understand unbelievable situations like we're facing with the Reiner family, you know, whatever we can learn from you, to try and kind of walk through this kind of tragedy is so helpful.
B (2:10)
Well, I'm really honored to be here. And this is a topic that is so near and dear to my heart because I have seen so many families, including my own, who've, who've witnessed mental illness firsthand. And I know how different it can look on the inside looking out versus being on the outside looking in.
A (2:27)
That is such a good point. And I think that's like kind of where, where I was coming from too, at the very top of this was that, you know, every, every family has, has a struggle. You know, every family is going through something and you know, and sometimes it's generational and sometimes it's just some horrible tragedy, but it's like the compassion we need to show like when there's a mental health issue is like a whole different level, isn't it?
