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Critical Magic Theory: An Analytical Harry Potter Podcast
Ambition and Audacity: The Two Faces of Quirinus Quirrell
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What if the villain wasn’t overtaken—but offered himself up? In this episode of Critical Magic Theory, Professor Julian Wamble dives into the sweaty, stammering chaos of Professor Quirrell—and the dangerous audacity that lies beneath it. Often...
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Professor Julian Womble
Welcome to Critical Magic Theory, where we deconstruct the wizarding world of Harry Potter. Because loving something doesn't mean we can't be critical of it. I'm Professor Julian Womble, and today we are diving into the mess, madness, absurdity, and foolishness that is quinasquirrel. Now, I will only be saying his first name that one time because I can't say it, and the fact that I got it right is a miracle. And so I hope that you liked that because you won't hear it again. Okay, y' all, I am so excited to discuss this character, one who we only meet in one book, one who is often overlooked but still plays a really big role in the way that this series unfolds. Bars and I'm really excited because even though there was a lot of error on my part in preparing for this episode, there's still a lot for us to unpack. And I can't wait to do that, because this character Quirrel is a mess, and he is a mess. And I think that there are some things that we tend to overlook when we think about him. And I also think that he serves as a really good example for a lot of other characters that we meet later on in the text. Have you ever wondered, what was Quirrel thinking when Voldemort said, yeah, we're gonna drink some unicorn blood? Or what does it mean to be a Ravenclaw if your intellect is used for manipulation? And could Quirrel have said no? Or was his fate sealed the moment he met Voldemort? Y' all, we are getting into all of it. But first. Oh, but first, y' all, we have to bop along to the theme song. And so I hope you are ready. You know we move faster now in the beginning. You know we do. So you were stretching before this even began. Before you hit play, you were already doing your calisthenics and if you weren't, well, I've given you a little bit more time. But we are starting the bop in three, in two, in one. Let's bop. I still don't know why that's the voice we need to talk about. Harry Potter.
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Professor Julian Womble
Welcome back. And I hope you didn't throw out your back when you bopped along to the theme song. Okay. You know that I will not take any blame for that. Welcome back, everyone. Thank you all so much for being here and listening to this episode. And thank you all so much for those of you who participated in the post episode chat and in the survey for Minerva McGonagall. Y' all. It was good. I know that we didn't have a Prof. Response episode for McGonagall and that is because I was on vacation and I had anticipated taking my portable mic with me on vacation so that I could record that episode and I left it and I took that as a sign that I needed to maybe not do that. And so I'm back. I'm refreshed, y' all. I got sunburned for the first time. Like real, my first like real big boy sunburn. I don't know how people do it. It's not for me. It won't happen again. Fool me once, burn me once, shame on me. Burn me. You can't burn me again. So yes, I'm thinking that we will do a twofer for the next Prof. Response episode. And so we'll start with McGonagall and then we'll move into Quirrel. So it'll be a little bit of a longer Prof. Response episode. But we're going to get all the responses in, so worry not. We're going to get it. If you are not on Patreon and participating in our post episode chats, it's time for you to join us. You can join us for free. You can join us for the post episode chats. You can join us for the question of the week. You can also join with via paid subscription as an outstanding owl, a deep diver, a chronic overthinker, where you get access to extra content. There are ad free episodes, There is behind the scenes cast. There's a lot of things there. Okay? And now that I'm rested and relaxed, I'm ready to give more on the Patreon, so join us there. Patreon.com criticalmagictheory okay, if you would like to become a paid subscriber, please feel free to do so, but do it on your browser as to not get charged extra money. Okay? Speaking of chronic overthinkers, I would like to welcome three new individuals who are joining our ranks. So a special shout out and thank you to Addie, Rachel, and Nicole. We just can't wait to have you join in our community in all the ways, all the days or whatever days work best for you. There's no pressure, y' all. You already know there's merch. I'm thinking we need to do maybe something else. I don't know yet. Okay. If we have ideas, let me know for like a new shirt or something. If you haven't gotten your Voldy V shirts, now is the time. Do it. Okay. I wore mine while on vacation and everyone loved them. It is a hit. Okay. Please feel free to, like, rate, subscribe. Do all the things that one does where pods are cast, y' all. We're going from one messy defense against the dark arts teacher to another, because the next episode is going to be on the one and only. Mm. Winner of Best Smile award five years in a row. Okay. He took down the band in Banshee. Yes, he did. He actually did it. For real. For real. The one and only Gilderoy Lockhart. Okay, I am going to drop the survey on Thursday on Patreon and Friday everywhere else. I won't forget this time, y' all. I was burnt out, okay? I know I. I'm normally pretty decent about getting these things out, but my brain was not functioning on all cylinders. But now it is. I'm back. I'm back in the habit. I'm back in action. So we did not have as many people for this episode's arithmetic lesson because of me. It is my fault. But that's okay because we still got things together. And now I'm in a place I'm good. I laid out. I did burn, but I also relaxed a lot. Okay, and so now I'm ready. Are you ready? If you're not ready, get ready, because here we go.
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Professor Julian Womble
When I had to think about my favorite moment that involved Quirrell, I was like, what moment do I really like with him? And the first one I thought of was, like, when Harry literally turns him to dust. Because I was like, that's what you get. But honestly. And then I thought of another moment, which I. Cause it's like Hermione and her unhingedness. That's a word I made up. And we're gonna go with it. Literally toppled him over by setting Snape on fire. I just think that scene in the movie is so funny because of the way that it looks. But neither of those moments really rose to the top for me. But it does involve both Snape and Quirrel. I love the moment where Snape clocks Quirrels and it's like, something's not right with you. You need to get yourself together and you need to figure out where your loyalties lie. I just love this moment because it's a moment that I really do believe that Quirrell thought he had been, like, so surreptitious, so sneaky, so conniving, and so just like, better than everyone else. And he even, like, as he's recounting it to Harry, he kind of is resentful of the fact that caught him so quickly. And like, I love this moment because I think it reveals so much. It's a very quick and easy exchange. And it really is a moment that just shows us just how nosy Harry is. But it also feels like a moment where we really get a sense of who Snape is and how good he is at really kind of seeing past people's bs. And I think it reveals a lot about, like, who Quirrell is as well. Right? Because he really is putting on quite a show. The stutter, the trembling hands, the like, ooh, I don't really know the whole vibe. And Snape said, baby, I can smell a fake from a mile away. Because Game always recognizes game. I know when people are up to something because I'm always what? Up to something. And I just really like the fact that in that moment, the kind of brilliance and the messiness of Quirrell is exposed and kind of laid bare. And it's so, I think, indicative of how we can understand who Quirrell is, right? Because so much of the way that when we meet him at the end, which I think is a revelation of who he truly is, this kind of very embittered individual, he's like, I did all of this for the sake of trying to throw people off. Right? And it's so fascinating because I also think that there's such a solid parallel between this performance that Quirrell gives and the belief that no one can really clock his T and the one that Voldemort gives as it pertains to the Horcruxes and the belief that no one could ever figure out, you know, the locket being connected to him or, you know, the ring. And so he does all of this stuff, and it's like, no one will ever figure it out. And one of my favorite moments in the entire series is when Harry enters into Voldemort's mind and he. At the moment that they've escaped from Gringotts and Voldemort realizes, like, oh, my goodness, like, they are onto me. And it's like, yeah, you idiot. Because you decided that you were going to make these things so super personal to the point where all someone had to do was, I don't know, go look at the freaking annals to figure out what your name was. And Dumbledore already knew your real name. And you underestimated literally everyone else around you because you thought you were so freaking brilliant that no one was gonna figure it out. Then your T got clocked and you got paid dust just like Quirrell. Well, I guess not. That's only in the movies that Dumbledore. That Voldemort turns into, like, I don't know, pieces of paper that are in a campfire. Not in the book. In the book, it's just a body. But anyway, dust to dust, ashes to ashes, it all comes out the same. And I think the parallel is. And it's something that I want to talk about throughout the episode, which is the idea of, like, thinking that you're better than everyone else and how that particular belief structure serves as the perfect kind of pathway to an untimely demise. And so I love this moment between Quirrell and Snape because I think it really does embody a lot of the arrogance that Quirrel has in even with Voldemort on his head. Like, both of them were doing this and not thinking about the thought that someone's gonna catch on to the fact that this stuff is happening. And I think that for me, it's so indicative of so many things that we see later on in the books as it pertains to who Voldemort is. But I love that we also get to see it for Quirrell because we look at Quirrel and we're like, well, he's such an idiot. And it's like, yeah, you know what? So is the dude on the back of his head. So is the dude on the back of his head. When asked what word best describes Quirrell, the top three were weak, coward and pathetic. Someone wrote, he stuttered and wore fear like a costume, but underneath, he was someone who thought he was smarter than everyone else. See, I love that. And I think that that to me is like. It's an interesting thing because when we think about the kind of the notion of weakness, we tend to think about it as the opposite of strength. But I think in this context, what stands out to me and the thing that makes him weak is not to say that he isn't, but he's stupid. And he really does weaken his kind of position by way of making really stupid choices. And I think some of it is born out of cowardice, but I think a lot of it actually is born out of arrogance. Someone else wrote the way he thought he was fooling everyone. Baby Snape clocked you by Halloween. That's what I'm saying. Like, we didn't even get that good into the year. They show up at the beginning of September, and by October 31, you were cooked and you're out here whimpering and a wailing and like, you are to me, the weakness and the cowardice and even some. And the patheticness comes from the idea that, like, you thought you were so much better than everyone else that you actually didn't even try, really. And again, it just reeks of Voldemort. And some of us may say, well, like, he is being possessed by Voldemort. I want to preface this very early on and say, like, I don't think he was being possessed by Voldemort. I think he was hosting Voldemort on his body, but he was the one making choices. He might have been Taking counsel from Voldemort. But he was making choices. You know, the notion of using the troll. He's the one who's like, I'm good with trolls. Like, these were some of his plans. And that's why he was getting punished, because he was the one kind of executing these things. He was not under the kind of spell or his body wasn't being used by Voldemort to make these things. Like, Quirrell was the one making choices. And I think that that's really important, and we're gonna talk about that throughout the episode. But I think when we think about these words, weakness, coward, or, yeah, weak, coward, pathetic. I think a lot of them operate in a very specific way. But I think for me, what undergirds a lot of it is the fact that those things are words that I think he's trying to get away from this notion of there's no good or evil, there's only power. He's trying to get away from these things, which I think probably even before all of this stuff was going down with Voldemort, and it's his pursuit of trying to get away from being seen as weak, as being a coward, as being pathetic, that ultimately leads him to be those things even more so than he already was, right? Like, you trying to run away, baby. It's a circle, and you're back where you started, but now you have a man on the back of your head. I'm sorry, y' all. I will never forget reading that moment when I was, I don't know, 11, 10 or 11. And I gasped because I couldn't believe it. And I remember seeing the movie and freaking out because I was like, how are they gonna do this? You put a man on the back of your head because you thought that this person was going to make you stronger? I mean, no. And to me, those. Those words probably are the very words that drove him to say yes to Voldemort in the first place, when Voldemort offers him power. Because this was his truth. And we can assume, even canonically, that this is the case because he comes back and he puts on this role, right? And he talks about, oh, poor, stuttering Professor Coral, like, no one would have ever seen me coming. Like, he uses those words as a shield of sorts to be able to do what he thinks he's doing, right? To, like, engage in this level of subterfuge when in reality, he's not acting, he's simply being. And he's just kind of upping it. He thinks he's cosplaying this person. But he really is that person. And he is that person because he refuses to kind of be truthful with himself about the fact that, baby, you're not that great. You simply aren't. And and so it is fascinating to watch him operate this way because I think these words are the words that describe him really well. And he knows it and he tries to use it to his advantage but ultimately plays more into those words. And that's the irony of arrogance.
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Professor Julian Womble
For this episode's arithmancy Lesson we had 257 responses. Again, that's my fault. I didn't send out the email with the survey to the people who are on the listserv. I didn't follow up the way that I was supposed to. So the lower number is simply because of me. It's not your fault, it's my fault. Am I a Quirrel? We're not getting into that. I'll talk to my therapist about it. But we are going to do what we do anyway with the wonderful responses that we have. The first question is is Quirrel a good person? 1.2% of us said yes, 78.8% of us said no and 20% said don't know. Someone wrote good person has to be no. How are you going to meet a slim slim, a slimy little body voldy and just not walk away and Then you go try and kill an 11 year old on a broom because there's no good or evil, only power. Absolutely not. And there, honestly, hello, someone else wrote he was spineless and let Voldy's propaganda get to him. He made his bed, go lie in it. I know that there are some people who will say, well, it's really hard for us to know what was Quirrell and what was Voldemort. But I, again, I don't think he was possessed. I think he was manipulated. I think that Voldemort saw something in him that he could turn into evil behavior. I don't think that he was like we see or will see Ginny in the second book where she didn't know what she was doing and would wake up and kind of feel like she was losing her mind. Right. I don't think that that's what's happening here. I think that he is a parasite on Quirrell's body. He may be whispering things to him, he may be guiding him, but he is not controlling him. These were the decisions made by someone who wanted to get something out of Voldemort and thought that this was a quid pro quo. And so he was making decisions. And those decisions involve, as alluded to in the comments, you know, bringing a troll in to distract people trying to kill Harry off of a broom. Like all of these things. And those are the actions of someone who is not good. Okay. Those are the actions of someone who is trying to garner power in a very specific way. And I think that what's so fascinating about it is like, there are ways that people can go about making particular kinds of decisions about gaining power and subverting, you know, whatever power or authority in order to, to get what they want. Right. Like when we look at Percy, he made some really bad choices. Would I say that he was a bad person? No, I would say he's a really complicated person who made some bad choices. Right. Percy didn't try to kill anyone. Yeah, he stood by when the ministry was being a problem, but so did most of the magical world. And he made some choices that were simply not good. But that is different than the choices. And he made those choices because he was trying to get ahead. Quirrell made some bad choices in his attempt to get ahead, but like his involved murder and that feels like a little bit of a difference to me. And so I think that when we think about, you know, what does it mean to be a good person? What does it mean to kind of make decisions that we might not agree With I think there's gradation, I think there's variation. And I think that what we see from Quirrell is someone who is more than willing to go above and beyond to prove themselves to, you know, the Voldy on the back of the head than someone like a Percy who is willing to go above and beyond within a certain kind of constraint. And I think that that's a really important distinction to make because I think it drives home the point for me at least just how bad a person Quirrell is. And again, while some of these things, they are attached to Voldemort in the same way that he's attached to Quirrell physically, Quirrell is making these decisions. And I'm not willing to say, oh no. Well, he's doing it out of fear. He said yes to Voldemort. Like, I don't care what Voldemort promises me, baby, if you're out here looking like who shot Bill and who? Avada Kedavra, John, I don't want it. I don't want it. Stay right where you are. There's nothing. How are. I mean, cuz here's the thing, y' all, this is what's crazy. You had to have believed that Voldemort was pretty amazing to somehow come across him in Albania in whatever form he was in. Realize like, oh, you are barely hanging on to life, but somehow I think you're gonna make me powerful if I bring you back. Baby, you're barely here now. You see what I'm saying? Like it's crazy to think about because it really does mean that Quirrell must have had some kind of sense of awe. And maybe the awe was you're supposed to be dead and you're not. And Voldemort kind of used that as his in. But the idea that this kind of bodyless being could manipulate you so much that you brought him back to London and then upon failure at Gringotts were like, oh yeah, somehow I'm just gonna let you take over my body. No, no. You are not a good person by virtue of the fact that you were able to even be seduced who didn't even have the power to have their own body. You weren't even trying. And it shows you can make a difference in someone's life, including your own with a job in home care. These jobs offer flexible schedules, health care, retirement options and free training. They also provide paid time off and opportunities for overtime. Visit oregonhomecarejobs.com to learn more and apply. That's oregonhomecarejobs.com.
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Professor Julian Womble
Is Quirrell a good Ravenclaw? About 31% of us said yes. About 42% of us said no. And about 27% of us said, don't know. Someone wrote, he's inquisitive, sure, but so inquisitive he ended up with a guy on the back of his head. That's not wisdom. That's wild. Someone else wrote the plan he used to try to get to the stone. Lazy, like, troll in the dungeon. That's your master plan. This is what's so fascinating. And I think that, you know, I know that many of us are Ravenclaws, and so I knew this question might ruffle some feathers. I do think, though, that this is kind of the downside of, like, one's pursuit of knowledge sometimes, right? And I think that when we take on the adage knowledge is power, I think that sometimes that can feel very abstract. And I think that other times we can. We can experience that idea and say, like, yeah, knowing things means that you can make, like, informed decisions that are better than if you didn't have the knowledge. But I think that for some people, knowing certain things is actually power, right? Like, I want to know, you know, how it is that you survived the Killing Curse when no one else should, because that means that there's a chance that I could do it, too. And I don't think that the pursuit of that knowledge, even though it feels silly or weird or stupid or whatever, I don't think that that disqualifies him from being a good Ravenclaw. I think that it complicates the understanding of how we understand what it is to be a good Ravenclaw, right? And it makes me think of Helena Ravenclaw, because we know she runs off with the diadem partially because she was envious of her mother and she wanted to kind of know what it was to be like her. And so she takes this, you know, thing that's supposed to Increase you know what you know. And I think that sometimes knowledge can be dangerous and it makes me think about like, and sometimes knowledge can be dangerous and sometimes knowledge can be painted as dangerous even when it isn't. But when it, as it pertains to Quirrell, I think that, you know, his desire to explore the world and figure things out, I think that's reasonable. But there's clearly something that Voldemort was able to tap into and exploit. And I think that sometimes knowledge can be a thing that leads to a downfall. Because knowing something doesn't always mean you know better. You know what I mean? Like, I'm gonna say that again, mostly for me, like, knowing something doesn't always mean you know better. It doesn't mean you know better than to not do that. It doesn't mean that you know better than to not trust that. And so like, there are instances where I think that, you know, we can easily see how and why ravenclaws may fall prey to some of this. And we talked a little bit about this with Luna, right, And that like, her brand of knowledge and wisdom also lends itself to be easily manipulated, right? Like, and I remember making the, the claim we could see Luna being someone who would end up in a cult or run one herself, honestly, right? Because she believes certain things that are simply not true and that leads to dangerous outcomes. It reminds me of in Deathly Hallows when Hermione tells Xenophilius that's an A Rumpenhorn. And he's like, it is not. It's a whatever, whatever, whatever. And like, his desire to believe that was true meant that he had this really, really dangerous thing in his home. And I think that sometimes knowledge and awareness and wisdom are all great things, but they are not above corruption. If the foundation on which they are being built is not solid, they are easily, they easily slip away. And so when we think about like, what it means to be a good Ravenclaw, right? Like the pursuit of knowledge and wisdom is great and it's kind of the trademark for a lot of Ravenclaws. And I'm sure that many Ravenclaws will write in the post episode chat and will correct me on this and, you know, I welcome it. There's a couple that I'm thinking about explicitly and I'm hopeful that you all will chime in. But I think, I think he's, I think he is a good ravenclaw. I think that what happens though is that if you are not careful, your pursuit of knowledge can lead you to make some really bad choices and. Or to be manipulated in ways that you are too unaware to see because you're so thirsty for what you need to know. Because the pursuit of knowledge is not always the pursuit of facts. The pursuit of knowledge, of knowing things. There are a lot of things that one can know, you know, whether the truth is among them is unclear. That's a quote from Harry Potter and Deathly Hallows Part 1. Spoken like a true politician. Anyways, I've watched this movie too many times. That's not the point. The fact is, though, that sometimes people want to know things, but they don't want to know facts. And we are living in a time, and I think this is global, but I'll own it for the United States, where lots of people know lots of things, but the truth is rarely among them for some of these people. And when presented with the truth, they deny it. And we could say, well, that's stupid or they're not wise, but I don't know that. Like wisdom, it's hard to be able to capture exactly what it is that defines a good Ravenclaw. Is it the pursuit of wisdom? Is it the pursuit of knowledge? Is it the pursuit of truth? Whose truth? Is it the pursuit of facts? What Facts, Right. Like, when you're operating in such an intellectual and cerebral space, there's a lot of nuance and a lot of, like, wiggle room as to what that looks like. Which then means that you can be someone who has a lot of capacity for knowledge and truth. That can easily be warped. And it can be warped either because you're too stringent or you're not stringent enough. And we have characters in these texts that kind of give us both sides of that spectrum. So that when we think about whether or not Quirrel is a good Ravenclaw, I think his pursuit of knowledge and wanting to know more things makes him a good Ravenclaw. I do think, though, that without the proper safeguards and awareness of, you know, what evils lie in the forest, you're easily manipulated because Voldemort can promise you knowledge. He can promise you things, right? Like he can promise you information. And that is, I think that makes you, or makes a person more susceptible to his manipulation. And so I think he is a good Ravenclaw, and I think he's a good Ravenclaw to his detriment. Is Quirrell a good half blood? About 9% of us said yes, about 53% of us said no, and about 38% of us said don't Know, someone wrote, I mean, since Voldemort was literally inside him, was he technically a half blood for a bit? What are the logistics here? Plot, twist, semantics, you know, when we just talked about the pursuit of information. And I actually don't even want to know how those logistics work. The notion of Voldemort being inside him, that takes us to a different place. And this is a family friendly podcast, so we're not gonna get into that. I'm sure there's a podcast somewhere. I mean, well, I'm sure there is a podcast. I also am sure there's a fanfic somewhere. You know, I think this is an interesting question, and obviously we have to keep it within the theme. I think this is one of these moments where we just don't have a good sense of who Quirrell is as a person. We don't have a sense of kind of what his background is canonically. Post canonically, we don't really know. Right. And so I think for this question, we don't have a sense of it. Now, I think again, if we were to kind of extrapolate out from what we do know from the canonical text, right. That, well, this isn't canonical. The Internet has told us that he was teaching Muggle studies before he went on his quest and then came back and then was teaching Defense against the Dark Arts. But I think that that's not clear to us how true that is. There's no kind of information that helps explain that. And so when we think about the two ways that we've thought about good half bloods, the first being our more idealized version of someone who is building a bridge between the Muggle and the magical world, we get no sense of that from him. And also, and then when we think about the second one, someone who's willing to prop up the system and maintain pure blood supremacy, I mean, I think attaching yourself to someone who is very well known to be a pure blood supremacist and buying into whatever propaganda he gives, and the notion that there's no good or evil, just power, tells us a very specific story, because again, the soil has to be fertile for seeds of that nature to take root. And I'm like, were you just sitting in the forest talking to Voldemort? Like, what was going on? But either way, right? Like, there has to have been something inside of him that said. Yeah, and I think that there's something to be said about, you know, one's desire to get ahead and again, what people are willing to forego and we don't know the composition of his half bloodedness if he just has two half blood parents, if he has a muggle parent and a magical parent or yeah, we don't know. So this question is a bit harder to answer for him because we simply just have no sense of like what is true for him. And we don't really get to see him or know him that well until we're really watching him. Shanann. And Shanann again, you know, and so this is a harder question, I think for me I would have to say don't know for this I think, although I would say that with the caveat of like you attaching yourself to a known pure blood supremacist in pursuit of power tells us a story about at least where your ideology was sitting before. Because there's no way that you just stumble upon Voldemort and say, hey, I think you have something good to say and I'm willing to listen to it, you disembodied disaster. Because like, no, that doesn't make any sense. And so I think if we just take into account the allure of Voldemort, there's something to be said about how we understand, you know, what his half bloodedness meant to him. And maybe they connected on the grounds of being half bloods. Who's to say? Maybe that's conjecture. But I do think that if you are willing to align yourself with a known pure blood supremacist, like terrorist cult leader, something is not quite right. And so to the extent then that we think about the kind of more realistic definition of what it means to be a good half blood by way of upholding the system of pure blood supremacy, by trying to assist in bringing Voldemort back, you are contributing to that system. Which would then mean that by that definition you are a good half blood. So maybe that's the answer, but we don't really have a lot and that's, you know, me basing it on my own conjecture. So take that as you will. Is Quirrel a good teacher? 10% of us said yes, 61% of us said no, and 29% of us said don't know. Someone wrote he's not respected, he doesn't model and he straight up curses students. Next. Listen, the people were bringing the sass in these comments. Someone else wrote, bad teacher, can't remember him teaching Harry anything. Also, maybe don't set trolls loose in the building. You know, this is tricky because we don't actually get a sense of who he is in the classroom. Although I think that Harry mentions a lot of the fact that, like, Quirrel spends a lot of the time teaching the class but seems to be, like, afraid of everything. Which, knowing what we know, right, knowing that Voldemort is on his, you know, the back of his head and that this is all an act, I feel like he's too committed to the bit. Like, I feel like he's overplaying his hand. And so he can't be a good teacher because he's too busy trying to be a good henchman, right? Like, he can't actually teach them anything because he's pretending that he's, like, so afraid of everything. And that's so fascinating to me because I'm like, so you said I would sooner sacrifice my job because, like, who's gonna need it when Voldemort comes back once we get our hands on the stone, you know? And so, yeah, I don't. I think, yeah, he doesn't get the respect of the students, which is one thing. But when we think about the instances where Harry does mention Quirrell being a teacher in any capacity he says things along the lines of, like, he's seemingly afraid of, you know, talking about vampires. And all he does is, like, he seems afraid to run across one again. And it's like. But he's actually not, right? Like, he's just trying to pretend. Which is so crazy because then when you think about and you juxtapose, you know, how committed to the bit Barty Crouch Jr. Was it's like, honestly, that's not even a good excuse because he actually taught them it was bad. It was torturous. But they learned. Harry learned how to fight off the imperious curse. So it's like, you can be committed to the bit, you can be committed to Voldemort, and you can still be a good teacher. And so the fact that Quirrell isn't is, you know, Voldemort's not an excuse in this case because we have another person who admittedly did not have Voldemort attached to the back of his head, but he was kind of deranged and was not only cosplaying a teacher, but cosplaying an ex Auror who was unhinged and also still teaching the students as that person. Like, that is the real deal. That's the kind of commitment to the character that I'm looking for. Whatever the heck Quirrell is giving, it's not giving that. And I think that. I think that everyone is right insofar of being like, he's not a good teacher. I had to go back into the text because I was like, I know that they described it. And so this is what is said in chapter eight, the Potson's Master in Sorcerer Philosopher's Stone. The class everyone had really been looking forward to was Defense against the Dark Arts. But Quirrell's lessons turned out to be a bit of a joke. His classroom smelled strongly of garlic, which everyone said was to ward off a vampire he'd met in Romania and was afraid would be coming back to get him one of these days. His turban, he told them, had been given to him by an African prince as a thank you for getting rid of a troublesome zombie. But they weren't sure they believed this story. For one thing, when Seamus Finnegan asked eagerly to hear how Quirrell had fought off the zombie, Quirrell went pink and started talking about the weather. For another, they had noticed that a funny smell hung around the turban. And the Weasley twins insisted that it was stuffed full of garlic as well, so that Quirrell was protected wherever he went. So the class wasn't giving and everyone was expecting something. Now, admittedly, that passage comes from, like, the first couple of weeks, but at the end of the day, he's not effective. And again, and now I'm questioning everything. Cause I'm like, so why are you. Is it all a lie? Is this stammering and the stuttering and is that all a lie? Like, are you faking it? Because, like, now that I'm revisiting this, I'm like, if you're cosplaying this well and not being effective, that's crazy. And like, we know that Barty Cross Jr. Was mentally elsewhere after having been under the imperious curse for so long. So now I'm asking questions because I'm like, and I want us to talk about this in the post episode chat. Do we think that this was all fake, the stuttering and the handshaking and all of these things? Or was it that he was legitimately terrified, even more so perhaps because he had Voldemort on the back of his head? And now that I say those words out loud, can you imagine trying to teach a class with the Dark Lord on your head? And, like, the anxiety of what it would have been like to have something like that? Like, that you're hiding in a castle with Dumbledore, with Snape, who's already suspecting you with all of these people. And like, you're so freaked out about the prospect, like, what happens if the turban falls off on accident? Like, what do you do then? I don't know that I could effectively teach if I had Voldemort on the back of my head. Honestly, for true. Like, I don't know that I could do it. I mean, least of all Defense against the Dark Arts. But, like, I would be so freaked out because, like, you can feel this man on the back of your head and you want me to teach kids about anything. I couldn't do it. I know that I completely changed my tune very quickly. And I'm not editing this to make it smoother because I need you all to get my thought process, okay? Because maybe you'll also change your mind. And maybe we won't say he was a good teacher. Maybe the answer is even more so now that he was a bad teacher, but now at least we have a little bit of context as to why. Yeah, you got Voldemort on the back of your head and you're teaching these classes with this fool now. Honestly, I would have been pissed because I would have been like, now you're really good at magic, Voldemort. You could at least give me some tips. You know what I mean? You could at least help me out a little bit. But I digress. This changes my perspective. I still think he's a bad teacher, but for the reasons that have nothing to do with his inability to cosplay correctly and everything to do with the fact that he had Voldemort on the back of his head. And there's no way that I could effectively teach children when I have the Dark Lord literally siphoning my life force so that he can sustain some sort of corporeal form while being a parasite on my body. Like, when you say it like that, his bad teaching, his stuttering, all of it makes much more sense. Is Quirrell a victim? About 39% of us said yes, about 42% of us said no, and about 19% of us said, don't know. I knew this question was going to be a little bit chaotic when I posted it online. People were like, what? I can't believe that this many people are, like, not are saying that he is. Someone wrote, there's a strong element of personality possession here. We don't know how much of what we saw was truly him. Someone else wrote, he might have started curious, maybe even well intentioned, but he opened the door and. And Voldemort just walked through. This is. We're back. We're back to the question of, like, how Much of what he does is him. And how much of what he does is Voldemort? I am not. Again, and this is obviously getting repetitive at this point but I just want to keep driving home the point. I think that 100% of what we see him do is him. And I think the reason why I'm of this, of the mind that this is a thing is because like in the underground cavern where the little mirror of Erised is not so little but where the mirror of Erised is he literally has to give commands to Quirrel. He has to say like, get the boy or use the boy or. And he. And Quirrel's like, master, you're not strong enough. And he's like, I have strength enough for this. I don't think Voldemort was in the position to be able to control Quirrel. Like he could again, manipulate him, make suggestions but Quirrell had to be the one to go and drink the unicorn blood, right? Like Voldemort was the one who was like, go get the stone, right? Like he couldn't like take over his body. I don't think he had the strength enough. So when we think about, you know, the choices that were made, yes, Voldemort was on him but Voldemort wasn't like puppet mastering him. Not physically at least. Mentally, definitely, Emotionally, probably. But Quirrell is making these decisions like Quirrell is making these choices and saying, yes, I will do this. Yes, Master. These are the choices that I will make for you. And in that same way, right? Like, that's just why I don't want to use the language of possession because I think that, and I think even Voldemort uses it. But at that point we hadn't really seen what it was like to be possessed. But when we meet Ginny and we get to see that she is not in control of her body, she's not in control of her functions like Tom Riddle, vis a vis. The diary is taking over her body and her mind and her memory to the point where she doesn't remember what's going on. That's not happening for Quirrell. Coral is being told to do something and he is doing it like any of the other Death Eaters that we know. The only difference is that Voldemort is on his body. So I'm not willing to take away kind of his agency and autonomy in this. And so I think that everything that we see him do is him. It's a choice that Quirrell makes and he does it in pursuit of getting Voldemort back to power for the sake of him getting back to power or not back to power, but for him getting power. And so when I think about whether or not I think Quirrell is the victim, I don't. He made his choices and he made them with the full knowledge of, like, what was going on. And Voldemort was not powerful enough to assert himself. He could punish Quirrell. We don't know how exactly he did that. But even then, I mean, you were whimpering. He wasn't, you know, perform the Cruciatus Curse on you. He couldn't. He didn't have that kind of magic. He was literally just trying to stay alive. That's why he had you out here drinking that unicorn blood. So we're talking about someone who you could have vanquished off of you if you wanted because he was not strong enough to do much else. And you didn't. You made a decision. You made a choice. And I think, I am not willing to take that away from Corll. And so as a result, I'm like, no, you weren't a victim, you were a fool. And just like this person wrote, he might have started off curious and well intentioned, but he opened the door. And that's the thing, he opened it. He opened it. And like, yeah, he might have been manipulated. Obviously he was. But he opened it and kept it open. Because at any point he probably could have gotten rid of Voldemort because Voldemort did not have the kind of strength. And they literally said that. That's in the text. Master, you are not strong enough. I'm strong enough for this. That's Voldemort actively admitting that there are things that are beyond the scope of his ability because of the state that he is in. And so Quirrell could have been like, I'm not doing this. And he still did it. And so I'm like, yeah, you know, I don't think he's a victim. I think he's an idiot. And I think he made a choice that is foolish. I think he made a choice that he kept deluding himself into thinking that he was gonna be able to get something out of it, and with absolutely no return. And again, I'm like, I just. You must have believed that Voldemort was so incredible because there's no way that I'm looking at this person who literally needs to attach themselves to me to stay alive. This person who is saying that I have to go and drink unicorn blood. This person who is making me do their bidding because they can't do it themselves. And thinking, you're the key to my power. You're the key to getting me to where I need to be. Like, there's no way my brain does that leap unless I am in it to win it myself. And, like, I'm fully bought in to the belief that this is the greatest wizard ever. And so I need to, like, really, you know, buck up and shut up and just do what he says so that I can get what I want. That's the only way that that works. And so, no, he's not a victim. As far as I'm concerned, he is a fool.
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We've now reached the point in the episode where I am going to reflect on Quirrell, y' all. Let's talk about ambition. Like, let's have a real chat about ambition. From the very beginning of these books, ambition gets a really bad rap. It's treated like a red flag, like a warning sign. Something dark and slippery and dangerous that lives in the dungeons, wears green, and may or may not speak parseltongue. You know what I'm talking about. And yes, I should preface this by saying that I am a Slytherin. Yes, yes, I am. And I am an ambitious person. But don't let that color what I'm about to talk about, because I think that regardless of that, there's gonna be something in here for you to noodle on as you prepare to kind of come and Drag me. Okay. You know, this is where I think the housing system really fails us. Because it tries to sort traits like ambition, bravery, intelligence, loyalty into these really tiny boxes as if they don't overlap. As if people, like, aren't messy, but they do, right? Like, these attributes do overlap. And we are. We are messy. Especially on this podcast. You know, we love mess and chaos here, right? Ambition doesn't live in Slytherin alone. It lives in every insecure young person who wants to matter, every clever mind who thinks they're immune to manipulation, and every person who confuses power with agency. But ambition is not inherently evil. Ambition is directional. It points you somewhere. The questions we have to ask ourselves about our own ambition are where are we starting from? And what are we hoping our ambition will get us? Because the problem isn't ambition. The problem is the belief that doing something ambitious or reaching that ambitious goal will address our fear of not being enough. And that's where the danger creeps in, right? That's why Voldemort doesn't possess people at random. He finds people with a gap, a wound, or something unhealed. We had this whole conversation surrounding daddy issues in Voldemort, right? Like he has a penchant, partially because he's projecting his own insecurities and his own wounds and unhealed trauma onto these other people. And he recognizes it, right? Cause game recognized game. And he's like, you got daddy issues, I got daddy issues, right? And he tells them that they can have exactly what they've been denied. Power, validation, greatness, a family, a friend if they give him something. And more often than not, what he wants is them. And that brings us to Quirrell, because that's at the heart of Quirrell's story, right? Like, he wasn't evil at first. He was curious, a little insecure, smart, but overlooked. But he wanted more. And while that's not a crime, the crime is what he's willing to do when offered the chance to get the more he desires so much. And when he failed, Voldemort didn't possess him in the way of a dark spirit might take over your mind. Like we saw with the diary, he didn't erase Quirrell's will. He didn't strip him of any control like he would do to Ginny. Instead, he just attached himself to Quirrell's body. He became a parasite. And so, like, all of that happens before Quirrel even gets to Hogwarts. So from the moment that we meet Quirrel, he's trembling and stuttering. And sweating behind that turban, Voldemort is already there, Already latched on and already whispering. But again, Quirrell still had agency. He made choices. Voldemort couldn't force him to do anything. He had to ask him to go after Harry in that underground cave again, right? He had to convince him to drink the unicorn blood. He had to punish, and he had to be punished. When he didn't obey because Koro was still in control of his own body, he wasn't overtaken. He volunteered. He looked at Voldemort, looked at what Voldemort had been able to achieve. Probably the fact that Voldemort was still alive despite the fact that the Avada Kedava curse should have killed him. And he said to him, take what you need and just give me something in return. And the thing about this, right, the reality of this situation is that, like, Quirrell is not the only person in this series who does that. Jenny, Percy, even Dumbledore, right? Like, we see this pattern over and over again where people who have something deep inside that they don't trust or it makes them feel uncomfortable, something that they haven't resolved, and then someone or something shows up and says, I see you and I can make you whole, they listen. Jenny didn't want power. She just wanted to be known. She wanted a confidant. She poured herself into that diary because she didn't have anywhere else to put her feelings. Percy believed in rules and meritocracy, but underneath that belief that he wasn't being taken seriously and that he needed to prove himself, Dumbledore knew he was brilliant, but he also knew that he had the potential to do harm. And that conflict made him more susceptible to Grindelwald and his promise for righteous power and control and to be able to assert his brilliance in a way that he couldn't because his family had left him. It's the same pattern. So in many ways, right, it feels like Quirrell is a warning because he didn't fall into darkness because he was weak. He fell into darkness because he believed that power that Voldemort could give him would fix his weakness. And what's so crazy? As I was, like, ruminating about this, I kept thinking, like, yeah, this is not a magical problem. This is a human one. Because in the real world, right, people get radicalized the same way. Not because someone breaks into their mind, but because someone speaks to something that is already living there, right? Like, the ground is already fertile. There's a fear of insignificance, the need to be Admired the dream of being the one pulling the strings, the desire for superiority. That's when people start making choices against their well being. Not because they're inherently evil, some of them maybe, but not all of them. But because they've been promised a power that will fix the thing that they've been carrying their whole lives that has made them feel less than. Which is so crazy, right? Because you don't actually have to be less than to feel less than and to allow that feeling to motivate you. And the power that's promised will make them feel better than whatever group or population plagues them the most. So that they can ignore the things that actually would make their lives better in pursuit of a fallacy that siphons everything from them. Like Voldi V on the back of Corll's head, right? Like we are literally living in a time right now, particularly in the United States, where we see this and many of us are scratching our heads, like, how is this possible? But the reality is, is that there's such a fertile ground for seeds of dissension and madness and power. Or maybe not even power, maybe just like normalcy. However, you're contriving that to take root, right? And that is the thing that makes the enchantment around the mirror of Erised and getting the Stone so powerful and brilliant. And it also shows a level of self awareness that I often don't credit Dumbledore with having. Because he knows that there are different kinds of ambition, right? There's the kind of ambition that builds and the kind of ambition that consumes. And he knows that the kind of ambition that consumes is the more kind of prevalent one. And so he focuses his energy on the former. Because you have to want the stone but not use it. That is literally such a miraculous kind of mindset that you have to have. And it made me think of Wicked, mostly because I'm obsessed with that movie and the musical. I've seen it a thousand times. But one of the things that I really noticed as I was kind of going on this online tirade about why I think Elphaba is a Hufflepuff and not a Ravenclaw and certainly not a Slytherin, is because Elphaba is basically promised whatever she wants. Madame Morrible, the Wizard, they all try to like appeal to her ambition. And it doesn't work because she doesn't have that kind of ambition. She doesn't want power. She literally wanted to belong. And then she wanted equal rights for the animals. Hashtag Hufflepuff Galinda, on the other hand, now she wants recognition, right? Like she wants the status. And that's the desire that they ultimately leverage to try to get her to get Elphaba back. I won't ruin Part Two for those of you who have only seen the movies, but just know that that's a theme, right? And it's so fascinating, right? Because in Defying Gravity, you know, she says, I hope you're proud how you would grovel in submission to feed your own ambition. That's what Elphaba says to Glynda. And it's like, right, because there's something inside of Galinda that is not the same, right? Because the other thing is, is that Elphaba already has the power. She even says to the wizard, like, you have no power. And he's like, yeah, exactly. And that made me think of someone else with luscious hair and a penchant for tossing it to get attention. Lucius Malfoy. Because it's such a fascinating juxtaposition. Like, Lucius is bad, but he also has ambition. But not to fix anything inside of him, not to patch up a wound, because he doesn't think he's broken. He thinks he's better. His ambition comes from entitlement, not inadequacy. He doesn't want to become anything. 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If you felt called out by that reflection on ambition, just know that so did I. And I wrote it so you're not alone. That's just the way the cookie crumbles sometimes. Sometimes we're called out together, okay? And we just have to accept that as being true. Thank you all so much for listening to this episode, y' all. What a time. As always, characters I always think won't do anything always leave me scratching my head. Like, how did you just do that? This has been another episode of Critical Magic Theory. I'm Professor Julian Womble and if you enjoyed today's episode, first of all, thank you. Please feel free to like rate subscribe do all the things that one does where pods are cast. Please, please please join us for the post episode chat on Patreon patreon.com criticalmagictheory it's going to be a good time. We are gonna have a post episode chat Prof. Response episode for both Quirrel and mcgonagall. So please share all of your thoughts. Please feel free to check out our website, Critical Magic Theory. Send me an email@criticalmagictheorygmail.com y' all. There's so much that we have to discuss about this episode, so join us. Okay? Join in that conversation. The Lockhart survey will be up for you all on Thursday on Patreon. I can't wait for your thoughts. Until then, y' all be critical and stay magical. Bye.
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