Transcript
A (0:01)
Hey, this is Sarah. Look, I'm standing out front of a.m. p.m. Right now and well, you're sweet and all but I found something more fulfilling, Even kind of cheesy. But I like it. Sure you met some of my dietary needs but they've just got it all. So farewell oatmeal. So long you strange soggy.
B (0:19)
Break up with bland breakfast and taste AM PM's bacon, egg and cheese biscuit made with ktree eggs, smoked bacon and melty cheese on a buttery biscuit. AM P M Too much Good stuff.
A (0:30)
What do you think makes the perfect snack?
B (0:32)
Hmm, it's gotta be when I'm really craving it and it's convenient.
A (0:35)
Could you be more specific when it's cravenient?
B (0:38)
Okay, like a freshly baked cookie made with real butter available right down the street at a.m. p.m. Or a savory breakfast sandwich I can grab in just a second at a.m. pM.
A (0:46)
I'm seeing a pattern here.
B (0:47)
Well yeah, we're talking about what I.
A (0:49)
Crave which is anything from AM pm.
B (0:51)
What more could you want? Stop by AMPM where the snacks and drinks are perfectly craveable and convenient. That's cravenience AM PM too much. Good stuff.
A (1:01)
Hey, this is Sarah. Look, I'm standing out front of a.m. p.m. Right now and well, you're sweet and all but I found something more fulfilling, even kind of cheesy. But I like it. Sure you met some of my dietary needs but they've just got it all. So farewell oatmeal. So long you strange soggy.
B (1:19)
Break up with bland breakfast and taste AM PM's bacon, egg and cheese biscuit made with K tree eggs, smoked bacon and melty cheese on a buttery biscuit. AM PM Too much Good stuff.
C (1:34)
Welcome to Critical Magic Theory where we deconstruct the Wizarding World of Harry Potter. Because loving something doesn't mean we can't be critical of it. I'm Professor Julian Womble and today is our first Prof. Response episode on Albus Dumbledore. Y' all listen to me hearken Lean in. The post episode chat was aggressive, okay? And I know that there are some culprits afoot and you'll see them. If you haven't gone to see it, you must go and see the post episode chat. I know that there are some people who are responsible for the madness, absurdity, foolishness and absurdity. I said absurdity twice because it seems to fit. That is a post episode chat. I was in the Discord and I told them that I didn't think that this was going to be too crazy. They had had a 700 comment conversation about the episode prior to the post episode chat dropping and they decided when I said maybe we'll keep it at a cute 45 comments, they said 45? That's dumb. We're going to make it over 300. But I'm the one who has to read it. I'm the one who has to go through and read all of those. No one is paying ATT and nobody cares about me. They're selfish. But I'm okay. I'm okay. That was acting. Ever heard of it, y'? All? The post episode chat was phenomenal. Everything that I said before was true. But the conversation that we're going to be able to have in this episode is really, really, really going to be great. And I can't wait to get into some of the nitty gritty of what you all brought to bear from our conversation on Dumbledore. Also, thanks to many of you for your feedback about the episode. I'm really glad that you all enjoyed it because I had a lot of fun doing it and I think that two big Dumbledore episodes are going to be just as chaotic and yield just as much conversation. So I cannot wait. If you have not joined us on Patreon, please feel free to do so patreon.com criticalmagictheory where it all happens and goes down. And if you join as a paid subscriber of either a Deep Diver or Chronic Overthinker, you too can join in the very extensive conversations that happen on the Discord, including I won't always promise 700 comments, but they do get into it. And sometimes I'm just there so that I can bear witness to it, you know. And if you have not checked out our post episode chat again, please feel free to do that. It is a time and also gives you a bit of a glimpse about what goes down in other aspects of our community. But before we get into any of that stuff, you know what else goes down in our community? Bopping. And we're in the midst of a series of beard bops. And so it's time for our next one and it's coming to you in three. In two, in one. Let's bop. I hope that you didn't hurt your neck in the beard bop that you danced and that you enjoyed it. All right? Because what is the point of a beard bop that you don't enjoy, y'? All, I'm very excited for this episode because you all brought some things to bear in the post episode chat. That we need to discuss. And so we won't dilly, we won't dally, we will not delay. We are going to dive right in. Whoo hoo hoo hoo. That's the kind of alliteration that we go for here at Critical Magic Theory, y'. All. Let's start right now. The first thing that came up a lot in the conversation surrounding Dumbledore and the episode was a question of whether or not Dumbledore has like a master plan. And I think part of this comes out of a much broader conversation about the way that Dumbledore tends to operate, which is as if he knows everything that's going on already. And I think that part of what our conversation was about here is really diving into what he knows, what he doesn't know, and what I think is in some ways more important than both of those things, what he thinks he knows, bear wrote. So not only did Dumbledore raise Harry to be a pig for slaughter, but he also left Harry in the care of the Dursleys so that he would be miserable. Then Harry would be rescued by Dumbledore and feel like he owes Dumbledore his life. Harry was in that sense, just like Lupin, Snape and Hagrid, brought under the wing of Hogwarts, seemingly for a better life, but really for Dumbledore's use. Lupin, Snape and Hagrid already had their bad circumstances. Harry could have been raised by literally anyone. Dumbledore chose to put Harry in that situation because it benefited his plan, Carmen wrote, I'm going to push back on the idea that Dumbledore had a master plan. He doesn't. He's not that smart and mean or proactive. Interesting, Liv wrote. I agree that he had no specific master plan, but I also think that he was smart enough to know that at some point in the future, having the allegiance of a werewolf and a half giant would be beneficial to him. Not that he was purely motivated by that, but I think it was a factor. Lorian wrote Another thought linked to the above point, about Dumbledore doing things decades in advance to deliberately recruit minions, and about the existence of an omniscient, omnipotent, rather grand plan from Dumbledore. I don't buy this version of events. I know it's what characters in the book think, but where is the evidence for it? He has elements of a plan, but I don't think we can then view everything as though it's part of a plan. And Cassie wrote, I totally agree. While I do believe Dumbbells is extremely strategic and at the time he heard the prophecy locked in a more cohesive long term, quote, unquote grand plan. I don't think Dumbledore is omnipotent, however, I think Dumbledore thinks he's omnipotent. I think he thinks he has all of the pieces figured out and that's why he's dangerous. And Nadia wrote, the question of whether leaving Harry suffering alone was part of a master plan is not the most important question for me. The implication in this not being part of a master plan is that he was thoughtless and uncaring. Is that better than being a manipulative strategist? And now it's my turn. We're still workshopping the transition from you all's comments to mine. Anyways, it's. I'm gonna say things now. I want to sit with this question of whether Dumbledore had some grand master plan. I'm not. And I don't know that I've ever truly been on the side of believing that he is omniscient or that he knows everything. I think when he hears the prophecy, he has a very clear understanding in his own mind about what the end point has to be. And then once it is the Potters who are attacked, I think he understands that Voldemort has marked Harry. Right? So now we get to see the pieces of the prophecy coming into play. And so then he knows ultimately that Voldemort will be coming for Harry. And he knows almost immediately, based on the prophecy, that Harry is going to have to kill Voldemort. That is the one part of the plan I think he actually fully grasps and understands. But I don't think he understands the Horcrux situation at this point. I don't think he recognizes what Voldemort has done to himself to prolong his life until the Chamber of Secrets. Or maybe that is the moment when he kind of gets an inkling. Because listen, if I'm Dumbledore and I watch a piece of Voldemort survive inside a diary, and I know Voldemort was strong enough to attach himself to Quirrell in the first book in the previous year, then it's time to confront the fact that somehow Voldivi has learned how to subvert death and Dumby D is brilliant enough to follow that logic, that thread, to figure out what it all means, but I still don't think he fully understands the mechanics of everything that Voldemort has done to get his body done until Harry describes what he saw in the graveyard until the magic used in the graveyard tells him that Voldemort has tethered himself in more places than one. And I think this is when the picture becomes clearer for him. And in that context, I think, yes, Dumbledore begins operating with a much clearer purpose. I think the plan becomes give Harry whatever tools I think he needs to kill Voldemort. Heavy on that, I think. Protect him enough to keep him alive, shape his understanding of what is at stake and prepare him to face the moment that only he can face. I don't think that Dumbledore realizes until much later that Harry himself is going to have to die. I don't think he would have wanted that. I don't think that that was the outcome he imagined at the beginning, even upon recognizing that Harry had been the one that was marked. Because everything we say about him, for all of that and for all of the very valid critique, I do believe that he deeply cares about Harry in the way that only Dumbledore can, which is a very flawed way, because the reality of the situation is is that Dumbledore's care and concern for Harry does not override his understanding and his belief about what has to be done. Dumbledore is someone who believes that the greater good has to be achieved no matter the cost. And that belief is not objective. It is absolutely internal. It's personal. Voldemort's ideology is the ideology that led to Ariana being killed. It's the ideology that destroyed Dumbledore's family. It's the ideology that represents his great shame. He cannot let it take hold in the world again. He cannot let the story play out a second time. So, yeah, he cares about Harry, but he cares about that plan more. And I think he knows very early that Harry must be the one to face Voldemort. That Harry has to choose to fight him. Harry has to want to fight. And there's a moment, in Order of the Phoenix, when Dumbledore asks Harry what he intends to do and Harry tells him, I'm gonna have to kill him. And Dumbledore says yes. And I don't think he does it because he's happy about it, but because the prophecy requires it and because Harry has crossed the threshold from child to child soldier. So for me, there's no one single master plan where every thread is intentional. But I do think that there are choices that Dumbledore makes with an eye towards an endgame that he believes is necessary. He doesn't know how all the pieces will fall into place. He doesn't know what the Horcruxes are at the onset. He doesn't know that Harry is going to have to be the one to die in order for him to be able to then kill Voldemort. But he does know that Harry is going to have to stand in front of Voldiva. And I do actively believe that he shapes Harry in a way that ensures that when that moment comes, Harry will walk towards it. And the question that we are going to have to sit with is does the fact that Dumbledore cares for Harry make his actions more forgivable, or does it make them worse? Because caring for someone while preparing them to die is its own kind of moral injury. And that is the part of Dumbledore that we have to sit down and think about and interrogate. Is the greater good good enough?
