Tale Gate | Episode 3 | Discussing Up To C4E25

Summary

Critical Role: Tale Gate | Episode 3 | Discussing Up To C4E25

Podcast Date: May 26, 2026
Host: Whitney Moore
Cast: Marisha Ray, Laura Bailey, Liam O’Brien, Luis Carazo, plus interjections from others

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Episode Overview

This episode of Tail Gate dives into the aftermath and implications of Campaign 4, Episode 25 (“C4E25”) of Critical Role, focusing on the “schemer table” (aka the party playing double lives, master plans, and intricate politics in Dolmacchiar). Host Whitney Moore leads a lively discussion unpacking plot twists, character choices, and emotional moments, with the cast sharing behind-the-scenes stories, philosophies, and lots of jokes. The mood oscillates between playful, irreverent, and deeply introspective—true to the spirit of the show and its fans.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Living Double (or Triple) Lives

• Question: (03:35) Whitney asks how everyone is handling living double lives in and out of character.
  • Laura Bailey: “Just like our real double lives, it’s fucking exhausting.” (03:46)
  • Luis Carazo: “Just a double life or a triple life?” (03:58)
  • The cast discusses juggling in-game subterfuge and real-life responsibilities.
  • Lying strategies vary—Marisha consciously avoids technical lies, preferring omission or vague truths.
    • Marisha Ray: “Very, very, very conscious attempt to never technically lie.” (04:37)
    • Whitney Moore: “Lying by omission is the goaded way to lie.” (04:54)

2. Reflections on Thiazi and Morality

• Thiazi’s Legacy: Debate on whether Thiazi’s ends justified his means and how characters (and the cast) feel about him.
  • Marisha Ray: “I absolutely believe that he was working towards a happy ending and a better world. Why does everyone think it was for them?” (07:02)
  • Liam O’Brien (re: his character Hal): “Family goes a long way to making up for, you know, wrinkles and problems… I look forward… to finding out by the end of it more of who Thiazi really was. Because Brennan is, by design, only showing us parts of the elephant. We're all feeling the tail and going, it’s a snake… We can’t see the whole animal yet.” (07:53–08:13)

3. Relationships Within the Schemers

• Hal & Izune’s Relationship:

  • Hal’s outsider feelings and developing trust, especially a touching moment where Hal brings Belaire along for an intimate family event.
    • Liam O’Brien: “I liked that the shields came down just enough for him to bring [Belaire] along… It was really interesting and nuanced.” (14:24)

• Azune’s Complicated Loyalty:

  • Luis Carazo discusses how Azune was shaped by early encounters with Thiazi, loyalty, and feeling “useful.”
    • “If you’re not useful, you’re discarded. And I think he was hyper vigilant about pleasing Thiazi...” (11:21)

• Responsibility and Leadership:

  • Azune’s journey from following orders to reluctant leadership.
    • Luis Carazo: “[Azune] never went out of his way to establish rapport with the people that were underneath him because he was just waiting on whatever Thiazi needed him to do… [Now,] starting to realize that he needs to become his own person.” (34:43–35:13)

4. The Pressure of Intrigue and NPCs

• Juggling Story Threads:

  • Cast expresses how challenging it is to keep all schemes and storylines straight—especially with the volume of NPCs and subplots.
    • Laura Bailey: “I almost filled an entire notebook just from our seekers or our schemers run alone... So many names and so many places and so many things happening all at once, all the time.” (17:01–17:20)

• Favorite NPCs:

  • Gus, Demetous Blix, Timolo, Taconus, and the theater director Nevada Anza are named as standouts.
    • Liam O’Brien: “Demetous is awesome. I think that fucking Taconus is safe.” (17:50)

5. Art, Comedy, and “Dog” Jokes

• Frequent playful exchanges about showing feet for Beacon TV subs (“show your dogs”), leading to an actual “CODE FEET” for a promo (41:04).
• Shout-outs to fan art in the "Noteworthy Notables" segment, reinforcing the tight bond with the audience:
  • “Chibi style” art delights the cast (37:19).
  • Some sillier and hornier pieces get called out for their comedic undertone (38:00–38:44).

6. Magic, Divination, and Rules Flexibility

• Murray’s Visions & Divination:
  • Laura explains her initial resistance to the wizard class and how Brennan’s support let her make divination more creative and scientific (“science miracles”).
    • “Can you science what other people in the past interpreted as [miracles]?” (45:47)
  • The group recommends adjusting rules for narrative, not just mechanics:
    • Marisha Ray: “If [a] rule is not serving you, is serving the game, then why have it?” (51:55)

7. Navigating Hierarchies and Danger

• Playing Under Intense Scrutiny:
  • Facing powerful NPCs like Einfassen, Dean Cora, and the ever-present feeling of being outgunned.
    • Laura Bailey: “Anytime we are alone in a room with these people, you might as well be alone in a room with a dragon... [the schemers are] somehow in the most dangerous situations just by being least equipped...” (53:37–54:11)
  • Schemers must rely on cleverness, not brute strength:
    • “There’s no room for being a chaos gremlin.” (55:16)

8. Major Plot Events and Emotional Stakes

• Saving King Gus:

  • Reflection on the assassination plot, relief at the successful outcome, and pride in clever tactics.
    • Liam O’Brien to Marisha (re: Murray): “I’ll be honest. I just keep gushing over how you went about that fight... you’re making choices that are not sexy on paper, but... so satisfying... King Gus is alive because you saved him.” (55:49–56:20)

• Fo Tark Yanessa’s “Resurrection”:

  • The party’s skepticism and worry about how to discredit a religious leader without martyring her.
    • Marisha Ray: “The trick is going to be figuring out how to discredit her, either truthfully or untruthfully... [otherwise] that’s really only gonna get rid of maybe 70% of her base, if we’re lucky.” (57:59–58:38)
    • Laura Bailey: “Cause you can’t make a martyr out of her… you’ve gotta dismantle it from the foundation.” (58:38–58:44)

• Secrets Unraveling:

  • Schemers currently don’t know about the angel or the full scope of Yanessa’s powers.
    • Luis Carazo: “At this point, we do not know.” (59:05)

• Complicated Family Revelations:

  • Azune’s sister survived and was involved in the assassination plot, but Azune compartmentalizes those feelings.

    • “He’s really good at pushing things as far away from him as possible… There’s no room for that right now.” (60:54–61:33)

  • Termina (Mask Lore): Belaire’s “sister” is back, but broken.

    • Marisha Ray: “She’s basically like the really clingy girlfriend who just kind of becomes whoever she’s in a relationship with… She was not… a particularly stable character… Her word of power now… is the ‘I am no thing.’” (62:20–64:10)

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Lies and Acting:

  • Liam O’Brien: "I'm trying to always tell the truth, especially when I lie." (04:28)

• On Sizing Up Thiazi:

  • Marisha Ray: "Why does everyone think it was for them?" (07:02)
  • Liam O’Brien: "Brennan is, by design, only showing us parts of the elephant. We're all feeling the tail and going, it’s a snake..." (08:13)

• On How Much the Schemers Have to Track:

  • Laura Bailey: "I almost filled an entire notebook just from our schemers run alone…" (17:01)

• On Role-Playing Intense Power Dynamics:

  • Luis Carazo: “I’m almost frozen every time I have to deal with Einfassen. It’s terrifying. Brennan embodies these people... I can see the look behind his eyes has changed. I’m like, oh, shit.” (53:11)

• On Adapting Game Rules for Storytelling:

  • Marisha Ray: “If rule is not serving you, is serving the game, then why have it?” (51:55)

• On Handling Responsibility as a Leader:

  • Luis Carazo: “He never went out of his way to establish rapport with the people that were underneath him because he was just waiting on whatever Thiazi needed him to do… Now [he’s] starting to realize that he needs to become his own person.” (34:43–35:13)

• On Compartmentalizing Trauma:

  • Luis Carazo: “There’s nothing like gaslighting yourself.” (62:01)

• On Community & In-Jokes:

  • Whitney Moore & Laura Bailey: Multiple recurring jokes about “showing feet” (dogs) for subs and Code Feet, ending in, “We’ve been edging up to this for years… for all you little freaks in the audience, if you want to see the puppy dogs, use code feet...” (67:39–67:56)

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Important Timestamps by Segment

• [03:35] Living a double (or triple) life and strategies for keeping storylines straight.
• [07:00–08:15] Deep dive into Thiazi’s legacy and moral ambiguity.
• [14:24] Reflections on Hal and Belaire’s growing trust.
• [17:01–17:20] Overwhelmed by campaign notes and subplots; favorite NPCs.
• [24:34–25:13] Speculations about Azune’s sorcerer subclass; teasing secrets.
• [45:47–51:58] Laura on playing a Divination wizard; adapting spells for flavorful play.
• [53:37–54:11] The existential threat posed by NPCs and how it shapes player behavior.
• [55:16–56:20] Saving King Gus and applauding Murray’s tactical decisions.
• [57:59–58:44] Scheming against Yanessa and avoiding turning her into a martyr.
• [59:05] Schemers’ ignorance of the angel and wider threats.
• [60:54–61:33] Azune’s sister in the plot and the power of compartmentalization.
• [62:20–64:10] Termina’s tragic lore and the haunted “I am no thing” motif.
• [67:39] The big “Code Feet” Beacon sub promotion and recap.

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Tone & Style

• Playful, irreverent, quick-witted—but also frequently introspective and thoughtful about motives, trauma, and the philosophy of storytelling.
• The group dynamic is relaxed and informal, with near-constant teasing and meta-jokes (especially about feet and Beacon subscription perks).
• There is a notable respect for the complexity of the campaign, a love of collaborative story-building, and a shared sense of pride in their meticulously woven “schemes.”

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For Further Viewing/Listening

• To catch deeper Q&A, check out the Beacon-exclusive “Nightcap” segment.
• Fans can submit their own artwork or cosplays to the Noteworthy Notables via critrole.com/submit.

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Closing

This episode of Tail Gate offers a detailed, candid exploration of Campaign 4 so far—balancing hilarity with honest reflection about collaborative storytelling, power, responsibility, and the excitement (and stress) of navigating a game where every choice matters.

Use code FEET for Beacon perks—because if Critical Role has taught us anything, it’s this: never underestimate the power of an in-joke or the love a community builds by scheming, plotting, and laughing together.

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End of summary

Transcript

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[Laura Bailey]

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[Marisha Ray]

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[Sam Riegel]

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[Whitney Moore]

Good evening, everyone, and welcome back to Tailgate. I'm your host, Whitney Moore, and tonight we are unraveling the web of intrigue spun by our favorite little fingering foursome, the schemer table. I've got thoughts about that phrase. This arc had everything. It had mold, monsters, it had fraud, and of course, it had titties. Whose titties? King Gus's. That's right. And no one else's Those are the only titties that matter now in C4. Let's open the gate.

[Marisha Ray]

Royal titties. Royal titties bring forth.

[Laura Bailey]

Woo.

[Whitney Moore]

Woo.

[Marisha Ray]

Is that it? Were we cool?

[Whitney Moore]

That's it.

[Laura Bailey]

We did it.

[Luis Carazo]

That's it. We're done.

[Laura Bailey]

All right, guys.

[Liam O'Brien]

Slam dunk.

[Whitney Moore]

What happens now? And we're back.

[Luis Carazo]

Oh.

[Liam O'Brien]

Oh, wow.

[Whitney Moore]

And we're back. Oh, we're in it.

[Marisha Ray]

Let's talk about them fittings.

[Whitney Moore]

I was expecting countdown. Well, welcome, everyone. Welcome, everybody in the chat. Welcome to my schemers. How are y' all doing today?

[Laura Bailey]

Oh, my goodness. So schemy. So dreamy.

[Luis Carazo]

Yeah, steamy, steamy.

[Whitney Moore]

Skimming and scheming.

[Liam O'Brien]

Been a big nine to five day, just like the schemers for us.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah, we are.

[Liam O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

I can't believe you drove home and back.

[Whitney Moore]

Well, listen, I'm not gonna make you guys think too hard. Certainly not as hard as Marisha has been connecting all of the dots in what the fuck is happening in Dolmacchiar?

[Laura Bailey]

I wish I could make my nose

[Liam O'Brien]

bleed on cue

[Laura Bailey]

post. What is this?

[Whitney Moore]

What is this, a live show? I want to open it up with a question for all of y', all, which is, how is everybody handling living a double life?

[Laura Bailey]

Well, once again, just like our real double lives, it's fucking exhausting.

[Marisha Ray]

Oh, fake one.

[Laura Bailey]

Fake one. The employed table. We've got a lot of shit to do all the time.

[Luis Carazo]

Yeah, just a double life or a triple life?

[Marisha Ray]

I'm on triple life.

[Whitney Moore]

We spent lives on lives on lives.

[Luis Carazo]

Lots of layers.

[Whitney Moore]

How are you keeping your stories straight? Actually, that's my question.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah. Azune. Yeah, Luis?

[Luis Carazo]

I don't know.

[Laura Bailey]

To be honest, I am so afraid you're gonna, like, trip over one of your lives.

[Luis Carazo]

Oh, me too.

[Whitney Moore]

Oh, what tangled webs we weave when first we practice to deceive. Oh, I made that up.

[Liam O'Brien]

I'm trying to always tell the truth, especially when I lie.

[Whitney Moore]

Ooh.

[Marisha Ray]

Oh, ditto.

[Whitney Moore]

That's such an actor thing to say.

[Liam O'Brien]

That's the way to get through it.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

I've been making a very, very, very conscious attempt to never technically lie.

[Luis Carazo]

Yeah, that's harder.

[Laura Bailey]

You're a lying by omission kind of a person.

[Marisha Ray]

Oh, yeah. Anytime. It's roll for like. For persuasion or deception, it's the same number, so it literally is like. It doesn't matter. They're both correct.

[Whitney Moore]

Lying by omission is the goaded way to lie.

[Marisha Ray]

Low key or not necessarily even by omission, but often through. Through misunderstood choice of words. Yeah. Or even. I know that they think one thing or I'll say a thing, and they just don't have enough data to really put it all together. It's not my admission, it's theirs.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, on that towel, actually. My next question, just for you. How has Bolaire been handling biting his tongue about Thiazi and the other schemers?

[Liam O'Brien]

What tongue?

[Whitney Moore]

Essentially how you've been sitting on some. Sitting on some juice, which is a secret. Yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

You know, there's this thing where like in a friends group where there's just one terrible person and everyone else has just decided that it's fine and.

[Whitney Moore]

Oh, we've been there.

[Marisha Ray]

Yeah, I know you have. Yeah. You're just like, well, I suppose this is my life now.

[Laura Bailey]

Wait, is this going into your. Everyone has a. Everyone has a worse person than willing to know.

[Marisha Ray]

I mean, I can go into that. I'm a big believer in it. Yeah. That's how I keep thinning. My friends group is like, I pick the worst person I'm willing to know. And if you're below that, then you're

[Laura Bailey]

not willing to know.

[Marisha Ray]

Well, then I just don't have time. Or if I meet someone like, you're just a little bit worse than this person. And then every year you kind of

[Liam O'Brien]

tell us about your real life inspirations behind that.

[Whitney Moore]

Plenty.

[Liam O'Brien]

No, it's.

[Marisha Ray]

Yeah, the AZI man. I have so many feelings on the Ozzy and no one. Everyone else is so bloody.

[Laura Bailey]

That's not true. You keep saying that, but there's plenty of people who are like, you are correct.

[Marisha Ray]

Yes. Thank you.

[Laura Bailey]

Far more people are like, oh, Thiazi, he was amazing. But there are plenty of us that are like. There are plenty of. I am somewhere in the middle.

[Marisha Ray]

You are somewhere in the middle because you're a sane person in several tables worth of schmuckus. But you know, it is. Yeah, it is. That thing where. And I wish I had said this during the game is like, I absolutely believe that he was working towards a happy ending and a better world.

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[Marisha Ray]

Why does everyone think it was for them? Like, everyone seems to think that they're involved in this and not being like specifically being thrown on the pyre, including you.

[Liam O'Brien]

Sometimes people are different people to the different people in their lives. So it makes sense that Thiazi was one thing to Izune and another thing to them.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

And I'm also like, again, like, with the sort of games he was playing, I perfectly believe that he was willing to like let half of us die and honestly planned on half of us Dying in this.

[Laura Bailey]

Well, just saying.

[Whitney Moore]

Liam, how is Hal feeling about all this new information about his brother?

[Liam O'Brien]

Well, Hal's in the middle too, but family goes a long way to making up for, you know, wrinkles and problems. You just. You have to tolerate the problems in your family because they're your family. For the most part. In most cases. In many cases. In some cases.

[Marisha Ray]

Love that walk.

[Liam O'Brien]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I look forward in the duration of this story, as long as it turns out to be to finding out by the end of it more of who Thiazi really was. Because Brennan is, by design only showing us parts of the elephant. We're all feeling the tail and going, it's a snake. It's a snake. But we can't see the whole animal yet.

[Whitney Moore]

I'd know if I felt an elephant tail. I would think it was an elephant.

[Luis Carazo]

He's such a dick.

[Marisha Ray]

You didn't know.

[Laura Bailey]

Whoa.

[Marisha Ray]

Welcome.

[Whitney Moore]

God, I love LA parties. I love you so much.

[Marisha Ray]

Thank you.

[Laura Bailey]

That's the level aversion from that game we had as kids during Halloween, where you'd like.

[Whitney Moore]

It's eyeballs, the peeled grapes.

[Luis Carazo]

Oh, yes.

[Whitney Moore]

You know about my.

[Marisha Ray]

It's a pachyderm ass.

[Liam O'Brien]

Can.

[Luis Carazo]

We'll talk about it later.

[Liam O'Brien]

Can the audience see? Can the audience see Whitney's shoes?

[Luis Carazo]

Yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

Oh, my God.

[Liam O'Brien]

Let's make sure we see.

[Whitney Moore]

I almost flashed last time.

[Liam O'Brien]

Good.

[Luis Carazo]

Ta da.

[Liam O'Brien]

Look at those shoes.

[Laura Bailey]

They're great.

[Luis Carazo]

Yeah.

[Liam O'Brien]

Oh, my gosh.

[Whitney Moore]

That's extra.

[Liam O'Brien]

Let's go to Kansas, y'.

[Whitney Moore]

All. I'm not gonna take these dogs out for you non Beacon members.

[Laura Bailey]

Exactly. Beacon for that.

[Whitney Moore]

These dogs are for Beacon bits only.

[Laura Bailey]

Dude, that's. Actually, that'd be a good experiment. How many subs could we get tonight alone if we promise to show our

[Liam O'Brien]

dogs a wiki beak outcropping.

[Whitney Moore]

Huh?

[Liam O'Brien]

Wiki beak.

[Laura Bailey]

Wiki beak.

[Whitney Moore]

I mean, this is from the creative director's mouth to God's ears. Yes, I am. I'm listening. I've done worse for less. I've done worse for free.

[Marisha Ray]

Oh, no.

[Laura Bailey]

Lucy, let's go.

[Whitney Moore]

Speaking of words for less, Azulay said that you gotta do whatever it takes to survive, including showing dogs in the chat.

[Laura Bailey]

Show your dogs on the nightclub.

[Whitney Moore]

How would Thiazzi feel about that statement? And would he show his dogs in the chat?

[Marisha Ray]

Yeah, if that's what it takes five minutes into the.

[Luis Carazo]

To live another day. Yep. Well, I mean, who says he hasn't already done half of that?

[Whitney Moore]

That's true. That's true. He started to Dark.

[Luis Carazo]

What would theazzi.

[Laura Bailey]

Wait, what was the question?

[Luis Carazo]

What would the ozzy think it was?

[Whitney Moore]

What would thiazzi think about Luis's or Azune's statement about doing whatever it takes to survive and that sort of mentality?

[Luis Carazo]

I mean, he was one of the first people I said that to when I was 12, and he recruited me, and he asked if I was willing to, you know, lug stuff around. And I said to him, I'll do whatever it takes.

[Whitney Moore]

When you were 12?

[Luis Carazo]

When I was 12, when he found me, when the mercenary group left me on the side of the road, he's

[Whitney Moore]

like, oh, you've got a gray moral compass, I think.

[Luis Carazo]

Well, do I have a gray moral compass?

[Liam O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Luis Carazo]

I think I'm willing to lie.

[Whitney Moore]

You tell us.

[Luis Carazo]

I think the azzy probably learned very quickly what I Azune was intrinsically like. Yeah. And I think that's one of the reasons why he had him stick around a little bit and maybe had him positioned the way he was.

[Whitney Moore]

And how did izune feel about having to lie to his compatriots about his relationship with him?

[Luis Carazo]

I mean, I don't think that he's used to thinking for himself in that way. I think he's used to being on an assignment, and it's so embedded in him to do whatever it takes to be useful. If you're not useful, you're discarded. And I think he was hyper vigilant about pleasing Thiazi, getting his approval, whatever that meant. Do what you're told, do what's asked of you, anticipate it, and shut up unless you're spoken to. I mean, these are things that are not necessarily what. How Thiazi. He didn't reprimand him necessarily. But I'll tell you one thing. Azune, from a distance, got to see how close he and thimble were.

[Whitney Moore]

Oh, yeah.

[Luis Carazo]

And got to see how he was towards other people. And he's observant. I think he would see what he would give others freely and what he wouldn't give me.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah.

[Luis Carazo]

And what he would give me and not give others.

[Whitney Moore]

Ooh. If you're not useful, you're discarded. That sounds like so many people in Los Angeles.

[Laura Bailey]

So many people everywhere.

[Whitney Moore]

Oh, my goodness.

[Marisha Ray]

Therapy.

[Whitney Moore]

It's always therapy. It's always therapy. Marisha, what was it like burying Thiazi with Hal? Was that crazy?

[Marisha Ray]

Roll to dig.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah, a roll to dig.

[Luis Carazo]

Roll to.

[Laura Bailey]

You know, I feel like all of us have had those moments in real life where you're like, I just started dating you are you sure you want to bring me to your. Your cousin's wedding?

[Luis Carazo]

This is.

[Whitney Moore]

Feels like a few steps ahead.

[Laura Bailey]

This feels like, like. Oh, am I really coming over to your Thanksgiving dinner after your dad just died? I don't know if this is a good idea, but also. Okay, I'm. I'm super down to be there.

[Luis Carazo]

Me and Hal are dating.

[Whitney Moore]

Confirmed. Confirmed. Yeah.

[Laura Bailey]

How is that for you, Leah?

[Liam O'Brien]

I like that moment. I liked. Not like when we did our session zero and we created a lot of ties to each other. We had nothing, not really. Just through thiazi. So it was a total blank slate. And I've enjoyed like not knowing you and then. And this is not his world, right? He's been an entertainer and a historian and a writer for a long time. He's had a good life. And I like that he's being thrown into the deep end with these smart pros in town and is certainly impressed with her brain. He does not feel like he's anywhere near as smart as she is. And I liked that the shields came down just enough for him to bring her along for that super intimate pro. I thought it was really interesting and nuanced. I liked it a lot.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah, she's a real smart lady. She's got a big pair of intelligences

[Laura Bailey]

of a big, big, big right brain, big left brain.

[Whitney Moore]

Her left brain and her right brain are active. Marisha, get the fuck off your phone. How rude. I know that it's Kyle texting you from off camera about something about the show.

[Liam O'Brien]

Is he sharing memes?

[Luis Carazo]

Read it out loud.

[Whitney Moore]

Share with the question.

[Laura Bailey]

Should I share?

[Marisha Ray]

She should.

[Liam O'Brien]

We'll talk.

[Whitney Moore]

Is it about feet in the chat?

[Laura Bailey]

It is. Oh, our head of Beacon is like, do we make a discount code to only use for tonight if we show dogs?

[Whitney Moore]

No.

[Luis Carazo]

I mean, sure. I'm not gonna share personal stories.

[Whitney Moore]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna. If we're doing that, I'm taking my shoes off now so that I don't have ugly sock marks like sock lines. All right, well, we'll just prime em and you a little dirty feetsy pals, in the chat, you never said we don't do anything for you. All right, now back to the questions. All right, Marisha, let's talk about Pimley Morne. Pimley Morne, stop looking at feet. She told you that she was rusty in dealing with the criminal underbelly of don't like you yarra. But then she aided in bringing down this notorious Thieves Guild. So is she really so rusty, do you think? That she's more capable than she's leading on.

[Laura Bailey]

Is Murray rusty?

[Whitney Moore]

No, Pimley is Pimley.

[Laura Bailey]

Oh, is Pimley.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah, Pimley. No, it's. Is Pimlee a man or a woman?

[Laura Bailey]

Pimlee was.

[Whitney Moore]

And here it says, does she agree that she's rusty? So it's not my fault.

[Liam O'Brien]

I don't remember the gender Pimlee pointed us toward.

[Laura Bailey]

I thought, Pimlee.

[Luis Carazo]

Is that who you rolled Initiative with in the bathroom?

[Laura Bailey]

Yes.

[Luis Carazo]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, but they were mistaking your intentions in that bathroom for a moment. I remember that.

[Laura Bailey]

Yes. Oh, yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

Every now and then, someone from another table would be, like, around while we were recording, and they would watch us have our conversations over dinner during the break of everything we're doing. And they would just be like, I took a note in, like, one of our last games. It was just dogs.

[Luis Carazo]

Dogs.

[Laura Bailey]

Yes.

[Marisha Ray]

Like, we can't. We have too much info.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah, no, it was Robbie.

[Marisha Ray]

It was Robbie.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah, it was Robbie. I was looking at my notes, and he was like, do you want to see mine? And it was talking dog.

[Marisha Ray]

Talking dog, that's right.

[Whitney Moore]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was the comparison of the soldiers table and everything that you guys are up to.

[Laura Bailey]

Oh, yeah.

[Whitney Moore]

Talking dog.

[Laura Bailey]

Talking dog.

[Whitney Moore]

What a nice day. What a time we're having.

[Laura Bailey]

I, like, I almost filled an entire notebook just from our seekers or our schemers run alone. Like, a note that would normally take me, like, half of a campaign, and I almost filled it entirely.

[Marisha Ray]

There were so many names and so many places and so many things happening all at once, all the time.

[Whitney Moore]

Do you guys have. This is maybe jumping ahead in my notes, but do you guys have a favorite NPC that you've met?

[Luis Carazo]

Yes.

[Laura Bailey]

Old Good's great. I mean, Gus.

[Marisha Ray]

Gus almost doesn't count at this point.

[Whitney Moore]

Gus is great.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah.

[Luis Carazo]

I love guys.

[Laura Bailey]

I do love Dick. Dimitas. Blix.

[Luis Carazo]

Blix is great.

[Marisha Ray]

Blix is great.

[Luis Carazo]

Yeah.

[Liam O'Brien]

My daughters.

[Whitney Moore]

Oh, yeah. It's so weird because you have to say that you're like, I disease in

[Luis Carazo]

a way, if you like.

[Liam O'Brien]

I don't want to hurt their feelings.

[Laura Bailey]

Timolore. Timolo.

[Whitney Moore]

These names.

[Laura Bailey]

She's awesome.

[Liam O'Brien]

Tamilo. Gus. Ta, ta, Ta. Demetus is awesome. I think that fucking Taconus is safe.

[Marisha Ray]

I am in love. Primus.

[Liam O'Brien]

Tacon.

[Laura Bailey]

Yes. Congratulations.

[Marisha Ray]

So much fun.

[Laura Bailey]

Who's your theater director?

[Liam O'Brien]

Oh. Oh, shoot, shoot, shoot.

[Marisha Ray]

It's been too long. I know.

[Laura Bailey]

What's her name?

[Liam O'Brien]

Navita. Yeah, Navita. And I can't remember her Last name?

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah.

[Whitney Moore]

Nivea Balm.

[Liam O'Brien]

I'm gonna pull up my troop. As you were.

[Whitney Moore]

And I have a question for you, Tal. What was it like for Belair to terrify. Speaking of great NPCs. A FAE entity like Lami into Laumi. Laumi into retreating. You were so scary.

[Luis Carazo]

The Mold monster.

[Marisha Ray]

Oh, man. I mean, that's. That's. That's his bread and butter. Is. Is just.

[Whitney Moore]

Oh, another day.

[Luis Carazo]

It's.

[Marisha Ray]

It is. Well, it's that thing of I. I can kind of let loose for a minute. I can. I can stop working so hard and I can just be an absolute piece of shit for a moment. And really, his power comes from tearing people down and making them feel bad about themselves. That is kind of his purpose. Yeah. I mean, his whole thing is. Yeah. He's just very like, I'm just gonna say some stuff that's true enough that it's gonna hurt.

[Whitney Moore]

Wow.

[Marisha Ray]

And it will kill you, dude.

[Whitney Moore]

I love being so good at negging that you're just a. I've had to

[Marisha Ray]

relearn how to gaslight so hard for this character. Like I've been going back to high school.

[Whitney Moore]

God, you had to relearn the old ways.

[Luis Carazo]

Relearn?

[Marisha Ray]

I was a teenage boy.

[Whitney Moore]

You forgot the old names.

[Laura Bailey]

Oh, Luis.

[Whitney Moore]

The people my document want to know what is your sorcerer subclass?

[Luis Carazo]

Oh, I think I keep that to myself for now still.

[Whitney Moore]

Oh, secret, secret. What if I showed you my feet? Would that do anything?

[Luis Carazo]

I've already seen your feet.

[Whitney Moore]

I know one's out. I've lost all my. I've lost my chips, my gambling.

[Marisha Ray]

Honestly, I've got to say, from previous experience, the other one's the good one.

[Whitney Moore]

It's true.

[Marisha Ray]

So you are.

[Whitney Moore]

It's covered in diamonds.

[Luis Carazo]

I think it gets, you know, I think it gets revealed.

[Marisha Ray]

The left one is far superior to the right.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah. Oh, you think since then it has been revealed?

[Luis Carazo]

I think it will. I think we touch on that very vividly.

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[Laura Bailey]

the context, but it's coming.

[Luis Carazo]

It's coming. Yeah, so I like it's good to keep you keep it a little mysterious even though I think to some people it might not be.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah, well, let's hear everybody's guesses too. And then Luis, you can wink if you see it.

[Luis Carazo]

I'll definitely tell you some no's.

[Whitney Moore]

If it's great.

[Laura Bailey]

No the no then it's then they'll yeah.

[Whitney Moore]

Process impersonation. Yeah, they do that.

[Liam O'Brien]

It's hive mind. They're hive mind.

[Marisha Ray]

Subclass is Baja Blast. Someone is a genius.

[Whitney Moore]

Don't don't give the critters any hints because they will figure that outer we got some. That's what's running through those angel veins isn't Baja Blast. It is that color.

[Laura Bailey]

He is very Baja Blast coated.

[Liam O'Brien]

Theater Director's name is Nevada Anza. She's our grandam and she directs. I don't Direct. She directs.

[Whitney Moore]

Yes. Yes.

[Laura Bailey]

You're more of the showrunner. You're more of the creator.

[Liam O'Brien]

I'm the writer and I'm the owner.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah.

[Liam O'Brien]

Yep.

[Whitney Moore]

But she runs the show. She calls the shots. She does the right stage, left upstage, downstage, right stage, all of them, she says all of those upstage, downstage, you name it, she knows them all. Liam, what was it like for Hal to take up the sword again? Is there a part of himself that enjoys being back in the thick of danger, or is it too complicated for Joy?

[Liam O'Brien]

You know, what's fun about Hal for me is for a decade of critical role, I played Vax, I played Caleb, I played Orym. And I've heard from different people, like, oh, you don't need tragedy to make a D and D character. You don't need to lean on tragedy. And, you know, Vax fell into tragedy. Caleb was designed to be tragedy. I thought Orym was already in recovery, but different, you know, that's a spectrum. And so I'm like, all right, bet. So I made Hal, whose life is great. I mean, the city they live in and the political landscape and everything is dicey, but his life is great. And I told Brandon, like, I love combat. I love adventuring. I love exploring dark places. So he was gonna have to knock hall. So you're seeing the beginning of this, of Hal not wanting to let go of, you know, raising his children and being a part of this troupe that has meant his. Meant everything to him. He's got wonderful women in his life. Everything is great. Liam loves the complications, though. I don't know that Hal loves being in danger. I think when he was a young man, a boy still, he was just too young to become a soldier. And Thiazi was way too young, and they both went in too young. And he saw his brother. The game told me. I didn't make this my backstory. The game told me that I saw my brother almost die in the muck, just, like, almost bleed out and dragged him out, and that was enough. He was there. He did his time. It was not great. And he would love to keep things where they are, but the times demand action.

[Whitney Moore]

I love the way that you insinuated, like, oh, you think that Hal's sad now, get ready. The trauma has only just begun.

[Marisha Ray]

Well, I mean, there's a term in the theater for tragedy which is called act two.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

I mean, it's just kind of. Yeah.

[Liam O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

Yes. Complication is inevitable in storytelling.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah.

[Liam O'Brien]

Also, it feels like the roller coaster's starting to move Fast. But I don't feel like Hal is broken into a thousand pieces yet.

[Marisha Ray]

No.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah.

[Liam O'Brien]

Not at all.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah, well, that's a sort of a. You know. You know who your brother is. Maybe not all the way, but to have him die tragically, like, that's a normal adult thing that many people experience. And so I feel like Brennan's got a lot. He's got a lot of treats for you if you like being traumatized.

[Liam O'Brien]

I do slap me around, but you

[Marisha Ray]

gotta play on like you did it.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Liam O'Brien]

I achieved my life's greatest goal. I got that theater up and running. And as far as the Ozzy goes, I think Hal's been bracing for that moment for years.

[Whitney Moore]

Yes.

[Liam O'Brien]

Cause of the life that the Ozzy lit.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, we mentioned Demetous Blix earlier. Marisha Tal, you guys are both connected to this character. What was it like to almost lose him? But you rescued him and are you worried about the future or do you have bigger things, bigger fish to fry?

[Marisha Ray]

I'm worried about all of my real life friends who are street performers. I mean, it's a rough life.

[Luis Carazo]

Let's be.

[Whitney Moore]

Thank you so much, my silver guy. Ass Beat you to it Just doesn't make it anymore. No, it is a terrible idea.

[Marisha Ray]

Yeah.

[Liam O'Brien]

Nobody should be an actor.

[Marisha Ray]

No. Yeah.

[Liam O'Brien]

Not a great idea, guys.

[Whitney Moore]

No.

[Laura Bailey]

Like, get into stem. I always say that there's no money

[Marisha Ray]

in STEM right now. There will be.

[Whitney Moore]

Shut up, Alison.

[Marisha Ray]

I made her.

[Laura Bailey]

I'm trying to tell the kids to do something smart with their lives.

[Liam O'Brien]

Oh, God.

[Marisha Ray]

Yeah. Well, you know, I specifically started running a museum for a reason, but yes. Yeah, it is. He's a. Gosh, he has potential.

[Laura Bailey]

I love Diminus.

[Marisha Ray]

I loved him too.

[Laura Bailey]

Diminus is great. I think Diminus has like a purity I really liked. Well, hang on. I want to make sure I'm not getting too far ahead of myself.

[Marisha Ray]

Well, you. I mean, like, I can say that Balaire's relationship is just like. I think Belair loves camp and is a big fan of the art form. The sillier and especially the more childish, the more delighted that it is candy for him. Like, the big beautiful stories are life changing, but you need a break every now and then. You need to watch some schlock.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

And good schlock, not crap. But I think that he just sees talent and. Yeah, there's such a. There's not enough talent in the world. And you just need to keep it safe and let it mature.

[Whitney Moore]

I want. You just gave me an entire idea for a subplot which is I want the hallowed round to be having drag shows and schlock and camp, like, bring that. I'm getting claps.

[Liam O'Brien]

That's happened. That is already happening at the Rookery.

[Whitney Moore]

Great.

[Liam O'Brien]

We're not deep diving into every single night's programming, but yeah, that's already happened.

[Whitney Moore]

And when I say I'm getting claps, I'm getting clap. I'm getting the clap. Getting the clap from Kyle offstage. He loves Camp the Rippery.

[Marisha Ray]

Definitely.

[Laura Bailey]

With Dimitas, though, like, there was definitely. And I kind of. I alluded to this in game, like, is he a little naive? Sure. Is his naivete the reason that he got into the situation he got himself into? Not really. And there was an immense amount of guilt coming from Murray. I think that really locked into Murray because her biggest fear was that this infiltration of the sundered houses and Dean Cora coming in and the Cormorays coming into the Penteveral was going to put these students, especially the more disenfranchised or the more like, you know, lower class

[Travis Willingham]

students,

[Laura Bailey]

in a position of risk. I don't think, like, both Marisha and Murray thought that it was going to be that literal of risk in the way that Dimitus was. So it's like, oh, yeah, you came in, you fucked with my school and you were here for four days and now one of my kids is in chains, tied up, kidnapped in a sewer with the. What the fuck just happened? So it made it very real on a whole other level.

[Marisha Ray]

On the other, I mean, on the other side, as someone who was really, as Belair was kind of on the other end of this relationship, it was one of those, oh, they fucked with the wrong kid because he, he was like. They underestimated him. And it was part of that underestimation that brought them down is they, they, they saw, you know, they, they saw a naive kid and like, you are not seeing the whole picture and it's going to, it's, it's going to be part of your downfall.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

Is that you are not looking. You are not.

[Luis Carazo]

Yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

You are not paying attention.

[Liam O'Brien]

Don't fuck with those scholarship kids.

[Whitney Moore]

It's so interesting hearing your perspective on this because I feel like my only real responsibility has been Wickander, which is stressful, of course, but you guys have everyone. Like you guys have just people that you're not related to, that you are sort of stewards for in this context. And that's so much scarier.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah, yeah.

[Liam O'Brien]

That was the big intimidation factor about Even sitting down at this table, like I was excited, but I was also like, oh, geez, we gotta know a thousand make believe people in places and institutions and we all have institutions that we're defending and families and workplaces to protect.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Let's see. What time is it? 7:27. We've got time for one more before break. Right. Let's see.

[Marisha Ray]

There's some great gifts coming up.

[Whitney Moore]

We have gifts.

[Marisha Ray]

This is like company slack happening right now. I'm really enjoying this.

[Whitney Moore]

Luis Azsuna is gathering soldiers and essentially building an independent army. Right. How does he feel knowing this many people are waiting on his orders? Similar to sort of what we were just talking about, of so many people sort of counting on you. Is this similar to his role as a Revolutionary Guard?

[Luis Carazo]

I mean, no. He's not used to having that responsibility. And I think even early on when a conversation that he had with Varen, he was already telling him to know who Murray is. Because you might need to follow what Murray tells you to do. Because I think that Zune thinks that his life can end at any moment, any wrong step with his conversations that he has with Lord Einfassen and that could be the end of him. So he's thinking ahead of passing things on.

[Liam O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Luis Carazo]

To someone that he trusts and someone that he thinks is smart and can handle that responsibility. But part of it is because I don't think he does not think that he can handle that responsibility. Even as his position as a lieutenant in the Arcane Marshals, he never went out of his way to establish rapport with the people that were underneath him because he was just waiting on whatever the AZI needed him to do. Doesn't have much of a relationship with them. And I think, I think starting to realize that he needs to become his own person.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah.

[Whitney Moore]

There's a difference between being able to do anything in order to not get the chop and do anything to survive and have people be led by you. That's a huge difference.

[Luis Carazo]

That is not comfortable for him at all. And I don't even know. I don't think that he might not really understand it in that way.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah,

[Luis Carazo]

yeah.

[Whitney Moore]

I mean, what's the worst that could happen, right?

[Marisha Ray]

Heavy is the head that wears the guillotine.

[Liam O'Brien]

I love the dichotomy in Azune of the professional and the personal because he's very good at what he does. That's what we've seen. He's been very savvy and pulled off some very nuanced smart moves. He's real bag of broken glass.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

On the inside, it seems like you're holding it together. Yeah.

[Luis Carazo]

It does feel like I'm playing different versions of the same person. Almost like different characters in one person, but they feel cohesive. I feel like I understand the thing that's underneath them.

[Marisha Ray]

Very relatable.

[Whitney Moore]

Everybody masks everybody puts on is different people, two different people. And I think that that's something that you guys are all doing in different ways for sure. Fascinating stuff. Hey, before we go any further, we need to pause for a moment because it's time for noteworthy notables. Where we're celebr notables. Yeah. Where we celebrate the brilliant works of those within the critter community. We have three incredible pieces to get through tonight. So let's get into it. Noteworthy notable one.

[Marisha Ray]

Tell us what you got.

[Whitney Moore]

Our first noteworthy notable tonight comes from Kai S Grosschat Fate on tumblr. Sorry about pronunciating that. You know, I'm taking theater classes for now. Can we see it? Can we see it on the tv?

[Laura Bailey]

No, we have dual chat going. Oh, my God, look how cute.

[Whitney Moore]

I love it.

[Liam O'Brien]

The magpies are there.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah.

[Liam O'Brien]

There's a magpie sitting on Murray's head.

[Marisha Ray]

I love that.

[Whitney Moore]

There he is.

[Luis Carazo]

Oh, that's cute.

[Liam O'Brien]

Yeah. One on.

[Whitney Moore]

I love when on Chibi style. It's so sweet.

[Marisha Ray]

This is really cute.

[Laura Bailey]

Insane.

[Luis Carazo]

So adorable.

[Marisha Ray]

We all look. I think you and I really, really Chibi really suits us.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Laura Bailey]

Gorgeous.

[Whitney Moore]

Well, thank you for the art. Let's go to noteworthy notable number Noteworthy notable number two. Now, Marisha started singing. Next up. Oh, hell yeah. This one is from Kit Carnell at Kit Attack. Let's see it. It's freaking beautiful on my phone. And horny.

[Marisha Ray]

Not a med full.

[Laura Bailey]

He's a little horny.

[Whitney Moore]

A little.

[Marisha Ray]

Not a.

[Luis Carazo]

Does bola strip before this?

[Marisha Ray]

Yes, because I don't want to get my suit dirty because I'm gonna have to put it back on again. I don't want it covered in blood junk.

[Laura Bailey]

Very practical. Very practical.

[Marisha Ray]

No, I mean, like, I've got a system. This happens.

[Liam O'Brien]

Grabbing the blade.

[Luis Carazo]

Yes.

[Marisha Ray]

Yeah.

[Luis Carazo]

Saying harder.

[Marisha Ray]

This does not feel good. I can only back out of it so much.

[Whitney Moore]

No one can ever tell me that horror movies and knife stuff isn't inherently horny. This is penetration is and having. Listen, I'm not gonna defend my post. You figure it out. I said what I said and everybody else agrees.

[Liam O'Brien]

Horny jail.

[Whitney Moore]

All right, our third noteworthy note noteworthy notable is from Laura McKenzie at Quick Be Drawer.

[Marisha Ray]

Incredible.

[Whitney Moore]

Wow, look at that.

[Liam O'Brien]

Beautiful.

[Luis Carazo]

The burbs the lighting, the bright future.

[Whitney Moore]

You're looking at the future.

[Marisha Ray]

I like how the light really actually just has a curve around your tail. Titties. Really? That's the only break.

[Whitney Moore]

It's a highlight on the clean.

[Laura Bailey]

You still.

[Whitney Moore]

Huh?

[Laura Bailey]

You still gotta. Gotta get the shine.

[Whitney Moore]

So every. Every single person in that image is thinking, what the. Did I tell that person? What's my story again?

[Laura Bailey]

Who am I to this eight?

[Marisha Ray]

Let me check my notes. Why did I write like this?

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah. Wow.

[Laura Bailey]

Fantastic art.

[Whitney Moore]

Thank you guys for sharing. And if you who like your fan art or your cosplay featured on Noteworthy Notables, go check out critrole.com submit, submit, submit to me. Okay, let's get back to the questions.

[Marisha Ray]

I like that they're now aware that this is just you, by the way.

[Whitney Moore]

What do you mean?

[Marisha Ray]

This is who you are. This is. There's.

[Whitney Moore]

It's been me all along, actually. I caught myself in the monitor and I forgot that I look like this.

[Travis Willingham]

And I was like,

[Laura Bailey]

your eye makeup is killer.

[Liam O'Brien]

It is.

[Whitney Moore]

Dre, Baby. Dre.

[Liam O'Brien]

Shout out to you.

[Whitney Moore]

She's so good. All right, let's get back to the questions.

[Laura Bailey]

Liam.

[Whitney Moore]

Actually. Actually, Liam. Well, I asked him that question already. I gotta scroll down. Oh, actually, I do have a question for Liam. How tempted were you to put on Bolair's mask?

[Liam O'Brien]

Oh, Liam. Super tempted. It feels inevitable. It's gotta happen eventually. It just shouldn't happen the first time because you have to tease it out.

[Whitney Moore]

Almost dead, though.

[Marisha Ray]

Yeah.

[Liam O'Brien]

And the dice can say, fuck you. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. I mean, that feels inevitable. Talking above the table. But we'll see how we get there. Yep. I want to see what's inside that.

[Marisha Ray]

What's in there. I know exactly what you're gonna find in there, so.

[Liam O'Brien]

You dirty birdie.

[Whitney Moore]

Oh, yeah, it's feet.

[Marisha Ray]

Feet all the way down. Feet all the way down.

[Whitney Moore]

Oh, my God. Do we actually have a code?

[Laura Bailey]

We have a code.

[Marisha Ray]

We have a code.

[Luis Carazo]

Wait, where.

[Whitney Moore]

Where's the scene?

[Laura Bailey]

What I just saw. I saw Beacon Deacon talking about it. Oh.

[Whitney Moore]

All right, well, I guess. I guess we're doing. We've committed to a code, so you're welcome. Everybody, Code Feet is now active through Friday. Through Friday.

[Laura Bailey]

Fuck.

[Whitney Moore]

All right.

[Marisha Ray]

It's going to be Foot Friday.

[Whitney Moore]

Don't get too close. I need a pedicure.

[Marisha Ray]

Happy Friday.

[Whitney Moore]

Okay.

[Luis Carazo]

Oh, my parents are so proud.

[Whitney Moore]

Maria.

[Laura Bailey]

Really?

[Luis Carazo]

Welcome.

[Whitney Moore]

I would love to just show my parents a clip of this. And they'd be. I know exactly what they'd do. They'd go, that's. Are you having. That's so great. Are you having fun? Are you having fun? That's great, sweetie. Wow.

[Marisha Ray]

I might be watching right now.

[Whitney Moore]

What's dd?

[Luis Carazo]

Yep.

[Marisha Ray]

I will find out if my mom's watching. If I get a text saying hi to you, then we know that she's watching.

[Liam O'Brien]

I remember back in the day, back in the beginning, hearing multiple times. And what is it again?

[Laura Bailey]

And what. What is it? Still to this day? Still to this day.

[Whitney Moore]

This is. I gotta blast through this anecdote really quick. Cause it's not about me tonight. When I got this job, I told my parents and my mom was with her friends, and she described it, and she was like, okay, Whitney has a job, and they asked her to write her own part, and it's a really big deal. And I was like, it's not wrong. I'm not the only person that's making a character. But she's not wrong.

[Luis Carazo]

Not wrong.

[Marisha Ray]

Not wrong.

[Luis Carazo]

Yeah.

[Laura Bailey]

I remember when Jesse's parents came over, sweetie, and they were like, over to our house, and they were like, what is happening? What do these people do for a living?

[Whitney Moore]

It's like, it's very, very good question. Really good questions.

[Liam O'Brien]

We're all playing with dolls going, she's a demon girl.

[Marisha Ray]

And she's like this priest guy.

[Whitney Moore]

Kiss, kiss, kiss.

[Luis Carazo]

Yeah. Try having to explain it in Spanish. It's a little harder.

[Liam O'Brien]

Let's hear a little of that.

[Laura Bailey]

No?

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah.

[Luis Carazo]

Mijo, pero que. Y ques lo que haces estasalino traves. I'll go on Instagram. Pero no sedan.

[Whitney Moore]

What's Dungeons and Dragons in Espanol?

[Marisha Ray]

Oh.

[Luis Carazo]

Oh, my God.

[Marisha Ray]

Might actually have its own name.

[Luis Carazo]

Dungeons. Dungeons. How do I say. How do you say dungeons in Spanish? Now my brain is having stumped. Somebody in chat is going to know

[Whitney Moore]

how to say dungeons. Let us out.

[Marisha Ray]

It may have a slight.

[Liam O'Brien]

Yeah, it might help us out.

[Marisha Ray]

I used to know what Dragones.

[Whitney Moore]

I know that this is so fun to say.

[Marisha Ray]

I was trying to peg the actual accenting it, because I used to.

[Luis Carazo]

My accent is a weird. If I go to the east coast, they think my accent is Mexican. Sometimes around here, they'll be like, are you Puerto Rican? But it depends. And it depends on who I'm talking to.

[Whitney Moore]

It depends on who's casting.

[Marisha Ray]

This is California. So it's like, depends on who's casting. Very true. You're going so fast. I was like, wait a minute. I don't hear you do that very often.

[Luis Carazo]

I'm waiting.

[Whitney Moore]

Okay.

[Liam O'Brien]

They're gonna look it up for us,

[Whitney Moore]

Marisha, let's talk about Marie's visions. What are her visions like for her, and is it difficult to keep the various threads clear in her mind? Did anything in particular inspire you to take on Divination? Inspire your take on Divination?

[Laura Bailey]

Inspire my. So when I first tried to figure out who Murray was gonna be, at first I was like, oh, do I go, like artificer with her? There was a world where I was like, do I go warlocky? And Brennan literally yelled wizard in my face several times until I was like, all right, I guess I'm a wizard. So, yeah, that was in our. Remember our session zero. Everyone just kept shouting wizard.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah, until I came in and wanted

[Liam O'Brien]

to see you do a wizard.

[Whitney Moore]

I really did do wizard. Do wizard.

[Laura Bailey]

And then it was like, wizard, I've seen you. Yeah, I see him. Seen you do wizard.

[Luis Carazo]

You do it good.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah. You were with me in Calamity, where I was a wizard. Yeah, but that one was so weird because we all started at level 20.

[Marisha Ray]

I know.

[Laura Bailey]

Like, you just had. And then I was like, you know, a.

[Liam O'Brien]

We want the long climb up the ladder.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah, you evocation wizard in calamity.

[Luis Carazo]

Yeah,

[Laura Bailey]

that's the other thing. Because she was like. She had access. She had her own library of Alexandria. And Brennan was trying to break us. So he was like, I give you permission for Patia just to have access to every wizard spell in the spellbook. That makes sense. For that I had my little orb.

[Liam O'Brien]

You were the wizard.

[Laura Bailey]

Yes. So anyway, Chat's in. Talk about her visions, so. Her visions. So, yeah, because a lot of what I wanted to play with with Murray was that, like, if the shapers are gone, deities are gone, but also that magic has to still exist in some way, shape or form. So can you science what other people in the past interpreted as?

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[Laura Bailey]

at a retailer near you, Vine. So a lot of it kind of started from there, which is how Divination wizard ended up kind of being the path that I took.

[Whitney Moore]

It has been great. It's been great. It's so good.

[Laura Bailey]

I wasn't sure. I wasn't sure at first, but it's been great.

[Liam O'Brien]

Flavor and detail you've been using is so much fun.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah, Reese, the coolest fucking character.

[Liam O'Brien]

So cool.

[Luis Carazo]

Love, love, love.

[Laura Bailey]

But yeah, it's been great. But it's kind of this. The thought that I had in my head was like, how could you science miracles more or less and kind of reverse engineer it? So we'll get more into that later. But yeah, and a lot of also I was a little skeptical of not portent because that's my class ability. What's the fucking spell?

[Luis Carazo]

Augury.

[Laura Bailey]

Augury I was skeptical of augury because the way it's written in the book is like, oh, you ask the DM a question about the future, and he says, hand or wheel or hand, and it's like, it's good, it's bad. Or the eight ball is like, I don't know. Check back later. And I was like, that's seems. Seems lame. No offense. No offense. But I talked to Brennan and he was like, no, no, no. We can, like, make this cool and lean into it and especially from a narrative way. And I can work with you on this.

[Liam O'Brien]

Yeah, it seems like on the page, it's a little ho hum for, like, you know, like league night or something. But if you have a game runner who's invested in making it cool with you, then it's been so cool.

[Laura Bailey]

Yes.

[Luis Carazo]

And now I'm gonna jump on a soapbox because, to be honest, like, the mystery of magic in the world isn't meant to have everything already figured out. Like, even when you cast a spell, detect magic. This is a 2014 rule thing, and it's a little different in 2024. But it says that it gives you the school of magic, if there is one to give, which means that. That there's. That magic is boundless. And like, when. When you're trying to tap into arcane energies and you. You find a language for it, a somatic gesture, a component, a verbal component, and you call it this thing, it just like language, just like you can. Another language can find a different way to express that same thing, and it means something slightly different. That's what we're playing around with.

[Marisha Ray]

100%.

[Whitney Moore]

100%.

[Luis Carazo]

This is another language's way of saying augury that now has. Now feels like this.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Liam O'Brien]

And we've said this before, but all the rules, be it Dungeons and Dragons or Daggerheart or whatever game you're playing is. I mean, you can play this game just like nuts and bolts, for sure, like a chess game, and stick to those rules. Rules as written religiously, which is great and fun and fine. But obviously what we do is use that stuff as a skeleton to be creative. And that's what Murray is just all about, being creative.

[Marisha Ray]

If rule is not serving you, is serving the game, then why have it?

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah, Rules make you broken.

[Marisha Ray]

And if you want to have more rules, man, they're available.

[Laura Bailey]

I will say it's been a lot of pressure, though. Especially, like, anytime I do augury, and when we were in the theater and getting that, and it's like trying to bend the rule. And it's also like. Brennan's like, what's the question you want to ask the universe? And you're like, fuck, I don't know. There's so much.

[Luis Carazo]

It's easy to see how augury can be a step towards legend lore. It's on that scale.

[Laura Bailey]

Except towards what?

[Luis Carazo]

Towards legend lore. Like augury in this world, in this language, articulated in this way can see how that. I mean, Legend Lord. Does it even exist in Ahriman?

[Liam O'Brien]

If.

[Luis Carazo]

If it doesn't, then this is a step towards it. Maybe.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah.

[Whitney Moore]

It's interesting to hear you talk about the sort of Panopticon of self monitoring, playing the game correctly. When in game, you have a really good amount of monitoring, both by yourself and by others. Both of you two that you also have to account for. So we've got House, Einfasten, we've got Dean. Cora, what is it like for your characters to have this level of micromanaging?

[Laura Bailey]

Every interaction is fucking stressful.

[Whitney Moore]

Yes, it's awful.

[Luis Carazo]

I'm almost in, like, I'm almost frozen every time I have to deal with Einfasse and it's terrifying. And Brennan embodies these. It's insane how he embodies these people that I'm like. I can see the look behind his eyes has changed. I'm like, oh, shit. Now he's that guy that's breathing down my neck.

[Marisha Ray]

You're a tyrannical authority. Just in its distilled ever clear in a bottle.

[Laura Bailey]

And Brennan has also made it very clear that anytime we are alone in a room with these people, you might as well be alone in a room with a dragon. He's made it very clear that they are all very high level. So in a way, even though the soldiers are out there fighting on the front line and meeting a dog Seekers and meeting the dogs and the Seekers are dealing with like other planar dimensional lore. I feel like the schemers are somehow in the most dangerous situations just by

[Liam O'Brien]

being least equipped to.

[Laura Bailey]

In the least equipped just by being like, at a conference room table.

[Whitney Moore]

You gotta use those big beautiful brains. Maybe

[Liam O'Brien]

the fight in the Gala. You're like a mosquito that anyone in

[Marisha Ray]

that room could have just went, yeah, yeah. Well, I was like.

[Laura Bailey]

Because I walked in, I was invisible and I knew I was even. I was like, looking at some of the comments when that fight was going on and people were like, murray's gonna have to drop invisibility and start slinging spells eventually. And I'm like, I actually fucking can.

[Whitney Moore]

Yep. I will die.

[Luis Carazo]

I cannot no, we have to play smarter than that. You're so good at it, though.

[Marisha Ray]

This is the. I feel like I can say I can't quite make it all the way back through high school because I don't remember every game. This is the most well oiled. It's time for the miniatures and to play the tactical game. We have it together.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah, you do.

[Marisha Ray]

We really are a well oiled machine. I don't know how and I don't know why, but like necessity, it's true. There's no room for being a chaos gremlin.

[Whitney Moore]

Well, you guys have been very, very successful. I mean, you saved King Gus. Can we talk about that assassination attempt and that plot? What do we think? I mean, we know what Murray thinks about King Gus, but what was it like to save his life?

[Marisha Ray]

An honor. A privilege. Oh, got to look at his eyes.

[Luis Carazo]

You were all in on that.

[Liam O'Brien]

Yeah. Mvp. They're pulling off a sick move that didn't ultimately happen and inadvertently set off a move even sicker.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah.

[Luis Carazo]

Insane.

[Liam O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Luis Carazo]

Insane. Just the. Yeah. I'll be honest. I just keep gushing over how you went about that fight because I think I said it in the sort of talk back. How you're making choices that are not sexy on paper, but when you see them play out and see the implications of it and how. How utterly in the moment they actually are, it's so satisfying. And I think King Gus is alive because you saved him.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

Yep.

[Whitney Moore]

He'd be so lucky to hang out with Murray. You guys, there's a couple more questions I really want to get through. We've got about 10 minutes left, but these are all banger questions. And there's a lot happened in your arc, so. So we've got through saving King Gus. Let's talk about Fo Tark Yanessa. She is risen. How do you guys think this will change the game? Schemers play against the Creed. And Murray, you're the only one who knows that she was never actually dead. How's she handling that?

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah, it's a big Murray's word against the leader of a religion. Yeah, it's not great. It's not a good position to be in. It's incredibly frustrating.

[Whitney Moore]

How do you guys think tactically you'll move forward against the Creed? So I can tell Sam, it's interesting because her move.

[Liam O'Brien]

A lot of what we're doing is trying to find ways to vie for the hearts and minds of the people of the like with the mercenaries that we've pulled on board. And Yanessa is doing the same thing. She's trying to increase her followers on Insta by fake resurrecting herself. I think Hal has hopes for his play when it goes up. The subject matter of that play is meant to push the needle in the other direction. But we'll get there when we get there.

[Marisha Ray]

I mean, just. I mean, just from beyond the philosophical point of this, just being someone that I am not capable of not loathing as a character.

[Whitney Moore]

She's so scary.

[Marisha Ray]

I mean, I'm not even. Belair's not even thinking about scary. He is just having wonderful fantasies of all the way he would torture her for decades and generations. Like, she is such a wonderful symbol of everything that makes a. I mean, the trick is going to be not killing her. The trick is going to be figuring out how to discredit her, either truthfully or untruthfully, and then still accepting that that's really only gonna get rid of maybe 70% of her base, if we're lucky. But we need to pull her at least out of power for people who know that she'll fuck up again.

[Laura Bailey]

It's fully that. Cause you can't make a martyr out of her.

[Marisha Ray]

No, I.

[Laura Bailey]

You've gotta, like, dismantle it from the foundation of.

[Marisha Ray]

You have to make her look like an ass.

[Liam O'Brien]

The schemers don't really understand yet just how. I mean, we're like, yeah, she's the worst. She's conniving, but she's a whole other person. We don't know just how deep that rabbit hole goes.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah, she's spoopy and they don't know. Am I right to think that the schemers don't know about the angel?

[Laura Bailey]

Or do they?

[Luis Carazo]

At this point, we do not know.

[Whitney Moore]

Wow.

[Luis Carazo]

I don't know.

[Liam O'Brien]

We don't think so.

[Luis Carazo]

I know that we don't know because I remember the conversation that we had with Wakander on his way out of town. He did not say anything that we should know about the Halovars, about your family. And he said, no, no.

[Liam O'Brien]

Yep, that's Sam. That's Sam for you.

[Luis Carazo]

We don't know.

[Whitney Moore]

We were there. Not my story to tell, baby.

[Marisha Ray]

Yeah, we know that somehow she pulled off this batshit thing, but we. So we know she's got something, but we don't know what's going on.

[Whitney Moore]

Wow. Bonkers. God, she's so. The way that Brendan plays her, she's so, so scary. Especially when she goes grandma mode and she flips. It's worse. It is worse. Wiki wiki.

[Laura Bailey]

Oh, Fuck.

[Liam O'Brien]

Audition for the hallowed round. She's such a good actor.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah, maybe that's. Maybe that's how you get her. Maybe there's a world where everybody wins and it's all nice.

[Laura Bailey]

Like, obviously Taconis is the most scary, you know, front facing as his primary projection. He is the most scary. But she is.

[Liam O'Brien]

She's a flim flam artist.

[Marisha Ray]

She's a cult. And a good one, the worst kind.

[Luis Carazo]

She's playing the game that we are starting to play the schemer game at a crazy level.

[Whitney Moore]

And she said, oh, you scheme. I scheme you back. Yeah, I scheme you back times infinity.

[Laura Bailey]

I scheme you first.

[Liam O'Brien]

King Kong ain't got nothing on.

[Marisha Ray]

She's got a good gig going, man. It's going to be rough knocking that down.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah, yeah. Well, Louise, let's talk about your sister. Ozune just discovered that his sister's alive and part of the big assassination plot as well. What were his thoughts at that reveal? And did you think you'd ever see her again?

[Luis Carazo]

So here's the thing. I think that, that he's really good at pushing things as far away from him as possible. And some of those things remain distant echoes that kind of are always there. And his sister's definitely one of them. But he can't think about her. And I think that already in what we saw in that encounter, he's already actively disassociating from that. Like those are feelings that. There's no time, there's no room for that right now.

[Whitney Moore]

He's a compartmentalizer. Yeah, you gotta be if you're that big of a liar.

[Marisha Ray]

Yeah.

[Luis Carazo]

When? Yeah, yeah. You can't, you can't, you can't let that. That truth is too much for the lies he has to tell.

[Whitney Moore]

Oof.

[Laura Bailey]

God.

[Whitney Moore]

I've met people like that in my life where it's like, oh, you're so far into to your own bullshit, it doesn't even register anymore.

[Laura Bailey]

Correct.

[Whitney Moore]

It doesn't even. You're just. You've locked it all in.

[Marisha Ray]

Moment of clarity will crack everything and. Yeah, there will be nothing left. It is 100%. It could be a very serious survival

[Luis Carazo]

instinct, you know, there's nothing like gaslighting yourself.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

God, so true.

[Whitney Moore]

Well, speaking of sisters, Taliesin. Termina.

[Marisha Ray]

Yeah, she's wild. Terminated Termina is very, very wild.

[Whitney Moore]

She's stuck in a box.

[Marisha Ray]

She was stuck in a box. And I don't know. I genuinely don't know why. We've talked a little bit about the history of the panto of the Siblings of the six masks. And, yeah, she was the one who did not survive. She was in the play that was put on to kill this goddess.

[Laura Bailey]

She.

[Marisha Ray]

I think I've gotten into this so I can get into the basics. She was the one who played the goddess. So we had to have, like, a mortal baseline for the goddess to be dragged down onto the stage for. And she was. Termina was the no thing she was supposed to. She's basically, like the really clingy girlfriend who just kind of becomes whoever she's in a relationship with into, like, a. Who are you? Very. Yeah, Very like. Yeah. Personality disorder. Yeah, very personality disorder.

[Laura Bailey]

Your favorite eggs are only the eggs of the guy that you're dating.

[Marisha Ray]

Exactly.

[Laura Bailey]

Remember that?

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah. Julia Roberts.

[Laura Bailey]

Julia Roberts.

[Whitney Moore]

So it's my.

[Marisha Ray]

Her whole notion was to just be this very clingy thing that was hard to escape. And while she, like, like, helped perform this God. And then. I mean, like. And then died doing it. Cause that's what happened in the play. And she was dead. And the mask shattered, and everything went kablooey. And now she's back. She's the only one who's back.

[Liam O'Brien]

These are all very normal things you're telling us.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah, but also, she's like the mask. Didn't Brennan describe it? That the mask is still a little cracked?

[Marisha Ray]

Yeah.

[Laura Bailey]

And so she's a little broken.

[Marisha Ray]

She's holding herself together, and she was already really iffy.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

She was not a. She was not. She was not built as a character. She was not written as a particularly stable character.

[Laura Bailey]

Right.

[Marisha Ray]

I think we've said her word of power now. I think at this point, which is the I am no thing. And. No, this is really bad.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

And now she's made friends. Now she's. Now she's dating someone really bad.

[Laura Bailey]

I am no thing.

[Marisha Ray]

I am. Yeah. I am no thing.

[Liam O'Brien]

I am no

[Laura Bailey]

reference for Sam.

[Marisha Ray]

Yeah.

[Whitney Moore]

This fucking mask lore is so bonkers, Taliesin.

[Laura Bailey]

It's so cool.

[Whitney Moore]

It's so layered. It's so.

[Marisha Ray]

It goes deeper and deeper, too.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah. It's just so clear that you had so much fun.

[Marisha Ray]

Oh, and I can, like. I like the urge to just say random names out right now and be and, like, ew it.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

Oh, yeah. We'll get into brutality. We'll get into Doric. We'll get into the rest of them.

[Laura Bailey]

They don't even pertain to the.

[Marisha Ray]

Haven't met them yet.

[Whitney Moore]

Rob, Bobby, Stefan, Stuart.

[Marisha Ray]

I did. I did just say. I did just give two names of masks in the. In the panto.

[Whitney Moore]

So Tiffany. Tiffany.

[Marisha Ray]

We don't talk about fucking Tiffany, dude.

[Whitney Moore]

If one of them was called Tiffany, I would.

[Marisha Ray]

That would have been. That would have been pretty great.

[Luis Carazo]

All the.

[Liam O'Brien]

Yeah.

[Laura Bailey]

Termina Bolair. Tiffany.

[Whitney Moore]

Tiffany. She's everybody's favorite personal from Ojai.

[Marisha Ray]

Tiffany's mask is blue.

[Laura Bailey]

Yeah.

[Marisha Ray]

Hey, good girl.

[Whitney Moore]

We have to go soon, but I have one more follow up question. Well, not for those Beacon bits who wanna see our puppies, our puppy dogs, in the chat, but I have one little B question about Termina, which is that you. Do you think that her ultimate mission is the same as yours?

[Luis Carazo]

Well,

[Marisha Ray]

the shattered mask kind of freaks me out a bit because I don't know what that means. But we are. I mean, on an essential level, not being real people, just being written characters. We were written to be siblings who love each other, who also want all the gods dead. Like, so we there. That is an immutable fact. Of whom? Who? There is no convincing her not to be that, because there's nothing there. There is no argument. You would sooner be able to perform a version of Hamlet where you, out of nowhere, convinced him to just fuck off to Paris.

[Whitney Moore]

Liam could do that.

[Marisha Ray]

I mean, yeah, the play's over. There's nothing there to ground it, so I'm just worried about what that means now.

[Whitney Moore]

Yeah. So ultimately. But at what cost?

[Marisha Ray]

Well, and she's very susceptible to manipulation by people and. Oh, no. So.

[Laura Bailey]

Ooh.

[Marisha Ray]

I mean, she's, you know, she's. Whoever she's with.

[Whitney Moore]

I am glad I asked. Well, you all, this has been a very enlightening tea sesh. And that is the end of our time here at Tailgate. We'll be seeing you again soon. But hey, if you're watching on YouTube or Twitch. Twitch, we thank you for your company, but the show will be ending for you now. But if you're watching on Beacon, don't go anywhere because we're headed straight into the nightcap where we'll be taking questions directly from our Beacon discord. I see you guys popping your questions already. Copy paste, baby.

[Laura Bailey]

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