B (5:34)

Hey man, I'm doing great. A lot of exciting things to talk about. Good to have good old Bryce back. Our fearless leader. Lutely crushing it in more ways than one at Parenthood and then back into the trenches of the crypto market with us. So love to have him back and love to be here on the rundown with you, man. We're gonna have some fun.

A (5:54)

Yeah, absolutely. It's gonna be a good one. Not promoted today, but if you are catching the live, give it a thumbs up and let us know where you're watching in from. As always. But to start off the show, there is some macro news to talk about. We're just going to touch on it quick, you know, unless you're living under a rock. You've been seeing what's been going on over the weekend, obviously with the war in Iran and there seems to be a deadline, so we're recording this at 2pm Tuesday, April 7. There is a deadline tonight that the President of the United States has set for, you know, hopefully some negotiations to happen or he's threatening another attack of some sort, an aerial raid or whatever. Again, that's not why you come to this show, but just to touch on it, I think, you know, I guess the, the traditional markets close in two hours time, the deadlines at 8pm I, I don't know, I mean it's hard to, it's gambling at this point. If you want to take what's going to happen on either side. Right. We always say we don't have a crystal ball if anybody's telling you they do. Unless they're inside the circle of the administration, they do not know what's going to happen by 8 o' clock tonight or what happens when we wake up tomorrow. Are these, you know, are these threats backed by an actual plan? Is this just rhetoric? We don't know. Brian, anything to add? But it is something that we wanted to note on the top of the show because we're going to go over what's going on in the markets, the price action today and what we see. So we don't want to, you know, if something does happen later tonight and this episode is out, you know, we just want to clarify that, you know, there is a hard, a seemingly hard Deadline tonight at 8:00pm Anything to add there, Brian?

B (7:26)

Yeah, I mean, you, you, you touched on it. You don't come here to learn about like, you know, the conf of Iran in the United States, but obviously it's directly correlated to what we are doing every single day. And I do not want to make light of this situation because it's a, it's a terrible situation that's happening. We'd like to be as far away from that as possible. I would probably be absolutely freaking out if we heard this from anybody other than Trump and on Truth Social because he gets a little bit crazy with those fingers every once in a while saying exactly what's on his mind, but don't want to make light of essentially his threat to Iran. So we could see some volatile action right around this, this deadline that he's posted. But the market overall, I know we're going to jump in, hasn't seemed to really react as sharply. You know, if this was months ago or when we first got into this conflict or even if it was another administration, we would probably, you know, tank pretty hard on any sort of like hard deadline of essentially threatening to, you know, wipe the existence of a country that you're in war with. So it is not something to take lightly. I mean, this is the days, things like, this is the days when we, the fear and greed meter, we should be in that extreme fear. You know, we were, we were sitting at like a 9 extreme fear a few months ago and it didn't really make a lot of sense. But today with obviously some major geopolitical news that we're all kind of like, what the heck's gonna happen? We're sitting at a 35. So I guess my overall take is, is the market. I don't want to say it's not taking it seriously, because that's. Everyone should take this very seriously. But the market doesn't seem to be reacting as sharply with, with this deadline that's going to be happening. But it's definitely something we're going to want to keep close eyes on.

A (9:16)

Yeah, I think it's hard to compare this to the tariff thing which we have done on the show, because I think that's what the market's saying is they've been so, you know, there's people, especially larger traditional finance hedge funds caught so off sides during the tariff run that it's like, all right, he, he loves his rhetoric. We've seen him now for, you know, I guess this is year six of a president, you know, two terms, but year six dealing with him at the helm. And markets just, you know, they're not going to get too, too far off sides. And, and traditionally I saw a stat, this is for the S and P. But traditionally, over the history of war, the majority of the wars going back to World War I, the markets have bottome 10% of the duration of the war. So, you know, obviously some wars last, you know, a long time, you know, years. But there's other ones, obviously in our history of different operations that have lasted months and all that aggregate together, the majority, the price bottoms of the S and P in, in the first 10%. So I think the only thing we could say on this one is, you know, with this type of, you know, conflict, it doesn't seem like it's going to last years or even possibly a year. Right. So the odds are that, at least for the S and P history shows, odds are the S and P should have bottomed probably by now. But we do not know that. We are not in the administration. We do not have any inside information. So let's just do what we do here at the Crypto 101 podcast. Let's talk markets, let's talk news. Because even through this fog of war, big money is making moves. That's why you clicked on the thumbnail. That's what you want to hear. So let's dive into the price action. As Brian said, look across the one hour, the 24 hour, you know, minus 1%, nothing really to sneeze at across the board. No big price movements at all. So that leads us to be like, okay, well, what can we talk about? There's a lot of stuff going on around big money moves. And let's start with the ETF flows. Brian, you pulled these stats. I'll tee this up and hand it off to you.

B (11:26)

Yeah, I mean this is yesterday and this is some of the biggest ETF flows that we've seen I think in the last month and a half. Bitcoin as you can see, respectively did about 471 million into a positive ETF flow yesterday, which is huge. It's a half a billion dollars. Especially when we saw over, you know, a few weeks ago when the fear and greed meter and we were all really nervous about things, we were seeing a lot of outflows. Now we're starting to see a lot of inflows. And then even ethereum had over 100. I think it was $120 million in inflows. So this is the biggest inflows that we've seen in a month and a half. And there's a lot of indicators out there. You, you just mentioned the one about the S and P and it's correlated about hitting a bottom at the first 10% of like any sort of conflict. There's even some things I read earlier today that Bitcoin's RSI is nearly perfectly copying the end of the 2022 bear market. So that's really interesting as well. So there's some indicators here and I'm not calling a bottom because who the heck knows? I mean we literally had a sitting president make a pretty direct threat earlier today and I wasn't sure how the market was going to react. So I can't. This is a little bit different than other, other cycles but it does feel like we're in this, we're in this channel we've been talking about in this chop zone. It does feel like it's going to take a lot to really wash us out. We're seeing, we're seeing major players get involved and we're seeing these positive inflows which is absolutely wonderful to see.

A (12:51)

Yeah, let's check out Ethereum too. Did you get any Ethereum stats?

B (12:55)

I think you have to scan all the way to the right. It doesn't come up on the thing if you go all the way to the right but it's 120 million yesterday.

A (13:03)

Got it.

B (13:03)

Yeah, 118 million. Yeah, we just saw right there. But you know, so a lot of money has, has flown was, has gone into these ETFs. So like I said 470 and 120 respect. And then I know Solana and XRP, they weren't coming up there were positive as well. And just another article to kind of just show the block picked up that this is a single day inflow record in the last Six weeks. And I know we had some massive inflows initially when the ETFs first came out, we were seeing billion dollar days. But this just seemed like, this just seemed like a really impactful number because I think the biggest part of it is, is like, why are we seeing these major inflows? You know, there's not like a really big reason or catalyst that I'm like, oh yeah, I was expecting to wake up to a half a billion dollars worth of inflows, especially with what we kind of been hearing around, you know, choppiness in the Clarity act. And we've been all this Iran conflict. So it certainly feels like smart money is trying to get more exposure to our favorite cryptocurrencies. And I'm here for it. Bring it in, buy it up, bring the checkbook, because it's time to do it.

A (14:14)

Yeah, it's interesting you say that because it's an absolute seamless transition to this. This is via river and Coindesk. Posted, posted it. But it's the. Oh, I clicked that. It's, it's the change of ownership for Bitcoin in Q1, 20, 26. And to your point, it's, it's some, some people are using these ETFs to buy up our favorite cryptos. Well, who's buying and who's selling in Q1, as you can see here on the right there, individuals, 62,000 selling businesses eat it up and then more plus 69,000 governments are buying it funds and ETFs are a vehicle that they're using there also in the positive. So super interesting. This is bitcoin specific, so surely obviously Sailor has a decent size number in there for the businesses. But I think it's interesting to tee up what you just said, building off of your point, but also to kind of tee us up for the next couple topics of where is this going? And it seems like big money continues to just pile in and set the guardrails and be there for when this art. I'll clarify if this Clarity act passes. I don't know, man. Is this legislation going to be the launch pad and then clearing up the fog of war? Is it going to be a launch pad? Is it the fact that Bitcoin and Ethereum have actually been some of the best performers in this six, you know, five, six week period of the fog of war. Like you start kind of figuring it out and as we like to say on the show, zoom out, zoom out. It's, it's, it is looking like a, a good Setup. And, and I, I think we have to say, hey, we're the crypto one on podcast. Yes, maybe we're a little biased, but the numbers don't lie. The numbers don't lie. So we see the individuals selling in Q1 businesses, governments, fake funds and ETFs, they're buying, and then who's, who's launching, who's launching, you know, crypto products. The traditional finance, the huge Wall Street. This is the, the big, the one of the big dogs, Morgan Stanley. Finally we saw a report. It's like, looks like the Morgan Stanley spot bitcoin ETF could go live tomorrow. That's per. Per Bloomberg. Bloomberg. And, and when this goes live, it will be, if I'm not mistaken, Brian, the first bitcoin ETF by a bank, I believe.

B (16:33)

And this is spot, which is really interesting as well. This is spot bitcoin. So this is gonna be a huge signal in my eyes. Yeah, it's the first major Wall street bank to offer a spot bitcoin etf. So this is gonna open huge floodgates for massive traditional finance inflows. This is something we've been talking about for over the past year, year and a half, is how big these big banks, these big institutions are continuing to buy and acquire crypto. And this is an absolutely huge move. I think, again, it kind of goes a little bit under the radar because, you know, there's enough FUD out there that people want to talk about. But this is an absolutely huge move by Morgan Stanley. I love to see it. I think this is awesome that this isn't just another etf. I think everybody needs to understand that because it's correlated with this spot bitcoin.

A (17:24)

A great point. And again, I, I just, I think Morgan Stanley is such a traditional. And, and some people might not like this, I guess, but it's just the, the amount of, the amount of money that they manage, it's hard to equate to some of, you know, the smaller players on Wall Street. These are, these are, you know, Morgan Stanley might be the, the firm to bring the space X ipo, right? Like, we're talking about trillions and trillions of dollars. And they're, and they're making, we covered this on the last show, but they're making sure that their spot ETF is, is the lowest fees on the market. So then they're, you know, their money managers are going to have no qualm of saying, hey, we're going to start allocating you to a little bit of bitcoin. We're going to use the Morgan Stanley one. It's the best in class, the lowest in fees. Something that we've said similar to the BlackRock ETF and have their money managers pitch the BlackRock ETF, but they aren't the lowest in fees. But maybe they make the argument, hey, we were a leader in the space. We're the first to market. We have the most secure, we have the most liquidity. But I think that's, that's the most interesting thing. I think it will be the liquidity, right? It's like, hey, how much liquidity is, is in this spot etf? Is it going to bring in options players? Is it going to bring in enough liquidity to be getting people in and out? Or is it more of a buy and hold play for a longer term? I don't know. It's, it's fascinating to cover. But again, just to, just to kind of recap, it's like, hey, who's buying? Morgan Stanley wants to buy. Who's selling retail? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. You don't always want to be on the same boat as retail. Even though I will say retail has traded really well over the last couple years as a whole. There's some really cool stats on that. And then just to add in, we talked about this last week with the Citadel wanting to become a crypto bank as they file for federal crypto bank charters. But it was just this graphic I saw. I just gave it a retweet because it really kind of just, it's, it's some, it gave it a summary so good with just, you know, a couple logos. It's like, who wants to become a crypto bank? Citadel fidelity, Charles Schwab, edX. I'm like, man, crazy, crazy how far we've come for all this stuff. And, and I, I think it kind of goes to the point if I, if we talk about it again, I'll, I'll bring this graphic back up. It's, it's like, hey, who wants to own crypto? Who wants to own this space? And this shows you businesses, governments and the individuals are flooding out. So it's, it's an interesting, it's an interesting dance. But that, that's kind of the topic here is like, hey, big money moves. That's the title of the YouTube video. That's the title. That's the thumbnail you saw. So it's like, hey, who's making big money moves? Morgan Stanley's leading the way this week. But a plethora of companies want to get into the space and continue to build. So Brian, what what are your thoughts on kind of the of this big money move? You know what's wild? How many guys hit their 30s and suddenly everything feels harder than it used to? Your energy gyps, the focus isn't there anymore and gym progress stalls. The conversation almost always turns to testosterone. So I've spent a lot of time digging into this. Not just the headlines, but actual studies, ingredients, research, and talking to people who've gone down the TRT road. And once you really understand what traditional TRT involves, it includes lifelong injections with needles, shutting down your body's natural production, fertility concerns, and it really makes guys pause. That's why I've been paying attention to Mars Men. It's designed as a TRT alternative. Not injections, not synthetics, just a stack of well researched ingredients like Tonga Ali zinc and Boron that are used to support healthy testosterone function. I've seen the science behind these ingredients and I personally know guys using it who say they love how steady their energy feels. No spikes, no crashes, and no needles. For a limited time our listeners get 50% off for life plus free shipping and three free gifts at men. Go to mars.com Mars Men is made in the USA, third party tested and backed by a 90 day money back guarantee. Over 91% of its users report higher energy levels and the reviews speak for themselves. And again, for a limited time, our listeners get 50% off for life, free shipping and three free gifts@ Mengotomars.com that's Mengotomars.com for 50 off for life, free shipping and 3 free gifts. After checkout, make sure you tell them that Crypto101 sent you to Covis is

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B (22:45)

Yeah, I mean you nailed it. I mean the proof's in the pudding right here. We're seeing big players, big institutions, big, big mountain, huge amounts of money. I think Morgan Stanley is like 16,000 advisors or something. I read earlier today and I want to clarify, when we say spot Bitcoin etf, that means the fund must hold, buy and hold real actual Bitcoin in custody to issue shares for it. So that, that's a tr, That's a tremendous name. It's a tremendous amount of advisors that are going to be involved. And there's other, there's other major brands out there that do that. You know, Blackrock does that, I believe Fidelity does that. Grayscale, bitwise ark. But it's great to see Morgan Stanley jump into that boat. And then these are just huge names here. When you showed up, that graphic of the bar graphic of institutions buying in retail essentially selling. I'll tell you this much. I'm trying to keep the boat afloat for us individuals. I'm dollar cost average again. I'm doing everything I can, but I'm only one guy out here. Not financial advice, but I do like to follow kind of where, you know, the businesses, the governments, the funds and the ETFs, the people that probably have a little bit more inside knowledge about some things, have a good grasp about some things, what's fud, what's not and what they're doing. I don't think these businesses, governments, countries, millionaires, billionaires, funds, ETFs, wherever you want to go, are buying bitcoin to sell tomorrow, to sell in a couple months. So this is again, zoom out long term play. I get it, nobody likes volatility in the moment, but personally I feel like there will be a time when we, we find that local bottom and then we start grinding back up, grinding back up and then everyone's starting to pay attention a little bit, those retail investors. Uncle Don in Pittsburgh's gonna be calling me a little bit again asking me if it's time to buy bitcoin. But we're gonna probably be well on our way to that next rocket ship. I'm feeling pretty good about where the market is, to be honest with you. I wish the price was higher, but we got a lot of issues out there shaking some dollars out, but it does feel like it's stabilized. And now we're getting more and more indications with these ETF flows with these major banks that wanna become Crypto banks. We got Morgan Stanley's of the world getting involved. It's not like we're making this up, you know, we're not just like, you know, Google on the most bullish headlines in crypto. This is really happening right now. It's, it's happening right now. It should make everyone feel a little bit more comfortable holding their bags, in my opinion, because this is smart money. This is people that really have an understanding of where the economy's going.

A (25:22)

Great points, I think. Yeah, we're not googling the best, the best crypto news to give to you. We just, we scour it and we try our best. And to this point, on the individual selling, one thing, a data point that I saw recently, probably a couple of weeks ago was, and I can't remember if we brought it up on the show, but it was, it was the, the prediction market odds that bitcoin would fall under 50k this year. And it rocketed up to, I think it was like 60, 65%, which again is, it's, it's possible. Right. A lot of technicians, we're looking at what, 42 is the next level. If we break here, we're going straight down to 42. So again, there's, there's people that, you know, chart it and think, and bulls and bears and that's what makes a market. But I thought it was really interesting while we're, you know, in the 60 to 70 range of just the overwhelming majority now thinks we're going below 50. And that, that kind of, again, as, as you've heard me say on the show, I don't like to be on the same side of the boat as everybody else. And I think this kind of graphic that we have up still shows that as the individuals are selling, individuals are starting to bet we're under 50. So again, could that happen? Absolutely, absolutely. But it starts to maybe be a crowded trade a little bit. And as, as again, Morgan Stanley's launching spot, Bitcoin ETFs. And then you know who else is buying nonetheless? The Mike Sailor. He's always buying. Right. It's a perpetual buy. This comment down here made me laugh by coin terminal because this isn't a position anymore. It's a black hole. That's like, it's just, it's literally on repeat with this guy. And then of course, Tom Lee, Tom Lee approaching basically at 4%. He's, you know, bit mine. They have said that they are going for the alchemy of 5%. They just bought another $4.8 million of Ethereum this week as well. So again, final reference to that graphic is who's buying businesses, governments, who's selling individuals. So again, we'll see. That's what makes a market the buys and sells the bulls and the bears. And we'll see when, when, when the dust settles, it'll be interesting to see what the next major move is because we've been covering this, we've been saying it, hey, the fundamentals are leading and the price is not. And so when, when that, when will that fun or when will the price catch up to the fundamentals is something that we're always looking out for. Kind of changing, changing tune here. We'll go over to some stable coins. I saw that Circle shows Solana to become ground zero for their stable coin mint, so I thought that was interesting of Circle choosing Solana. I feel like there's, you know, there's obviously tons of chains to choose from, but it kind of, at least from the blue chip, you know, mega caps, mega cap standpoint, it's, you know, Ethereum versus Solana. And Circles had a lot of, a lot in the news lately, so they chose Solana. Does that get you excited, Brian? What? Or anything or just kind of. Is this no news? Cool news? What do you feel about this?

B (28:23)

Yeah, this is, this is cool news, man. I'm a Solana guy too. You know, I see a lot of paths for certain blockchains to really carve out their niche. And this is great. Circle is an absolute enormous company. So with them partnering with Solana, Solana is not going anywhere either. I mean, we, we usually, when we even talk about CoinMarketCap or I talk about with our community, the three cryptos. There's some other ones, obviously, but the three cryptos I really talk about are Bitcoin, Ethereum and Solana. To just get a frame of where the macro, where the majors are, where the crypto market is for good reason. So to see a Circle make this adoption to the Solana blockchain is amazing. So we're gonna see how this continues to go. This certainly is not bad for our Solana bags.

A (29:09)

No, we just had a conversation go out recently with the Solana foundation, so another great episode. I've been on a couple rants of how, you know, we're always looking for builders in this market. Right. The Crypto 101 podcast is certainly continues to build. We've had some heavy, heavy hitters come on the program recently. And staying with Circle, they throw their hat in the ring with a quantum resistance. But Blockchain roadmap. So this is all the rage right now. It's the popularity of, hey, we've got answers to quantum. We've got, you know, it's, everybody's got a road map for quantum to break Bitcoin. And now everybody's got a road map to protect themselves against Quantum. Again, I think this is something that is worth keeping track of over the coming months and years because again, it seems to be a narrative that has taken over our space. And everybody and anybody is going to try and get kind of the sound bite out there that we have a quantum road map. And then, you know, it's up to kind of the people that are experts in this to kind of break it all down. Brian, as our resident quantum expert, does this get you, get you excited?

B (30:13)

Yeah, I guess. I guess there's a lot of talk around this quantum computing for good reason. It's something we really need to be taking seriously and it needs to be addressed and not just in the crypto markets across all of these, you know, platforms and companies. The one big difference between certain blockchains are more quantum resistant. Certain blockchains are a little bit farther ahead with their quantum resistance implementation. Bitcoin isn't the most vulnerable to quantum computing as well. Hopefully everyone can understand that. There's only a few million addresses that will actually could actually be impacted. But the big problem with that and with this whole quantum computing with Bitcoin is that there's no CEO. We've talked about this around Bitcoin. They have solutions. Let's just use Satoshi's coins, for instance, his millions of coins. People are like, well, that's in a vulnerable address that could essentially get hacked through quantum computing. And what's going to happen? And they do have paths. There's a path where they can fork the chain. There's a path where they could burn those tokens. There's a path, I guess they could figure out how to move them, but they have solutions here. The biggest issue is not so much the technical solution issue of making, fixing this. It's more just the psychology of we need to, like, everybody kind of needs to get aligned with how they're going to fix this. But I do believe that this will come to fruition in a lot of these implementations will come about with the more and more big players that get involved. The circles, the arcs, the coinbases, the Ethereum foundations. We're hearing more and more people talk about it. It is not something I promise you right now I will come on this Rundown and tell you when we're supposed to be scared of quantum computing because I'm the quantum computing expert. That's a little tongue in cheek there. But I watch this space pretty closely because I do see this could be a threat in 2029, according to Google Research Paper 2030 to a lot of people. But there is a path, there's a solution here. And with all these big names, like I said, the arcs, the circles, the coinbase is the Ethereum foundations, and there's way more people out there, they're taking this seriously. I think this is going to be a blip on the radar. We're going to get, we're going to get over this and it's not going to like it's ever going to never even happened. But it's a great headline, it's a great way to get clicks, scare people with quantum computing. Because nobody really fully, unless you go down, fully understands what the challenge is with quantum computing and what the issue could be. And like I was saying earlier, Bitcoin's quantum challenges are more social than technical. It's not a technical issue. There's a handful of solutions they have. It's just everyone really needs to get aligned. And I think that's going to happen. There's enough big blackrock's Larry Fink's not going to let everyone, you know, he's going to call everyone in a room and be like, you're not allowed to leave until we have this figured out. And I believe that's going to happen.

A (33:11)

That's where I was going to take it was it's like, you know, as much as the decentralization of the space is what brings in a lot of people. And maybe that's why a lot of whales, you know, we've seen a lot of dormant wallets, white, right, wake up and sell a lot of Bitcoin. And maybe that's, you know, they found their price and they're ready to get out. Maybe it's because, you know, some of these Wall street people are coming in, they don't want to be a part of that. That's a possibility as well. But I will say is for this quantum problem, it's like, dude, you got blackrock, you got Morgan Stanley coming in now we've got Franklin Templeton, Charles Schwab. It's, it's going to be these, these businesses have to deal with the quantum threat on so many different levels. Just like any business will, just like individuals will, right? It's, it's all, all of Our, you know, accounts of anything can, can, you know, be hacked by this stuff. So the, if it really is 20, 29, 2030, you're going to start seeing a lot of businesses kind of be thought leaders around this on how they're going to do it and how they're going to protect their own businesses and their own funds and their own online banking. Because again, once Bitcoin is a threat, the entire financial system is a threat. So these upgrades and this work in Quantum is going to be going on non stop and then by that point there's going to be stuff that even before it needs to be done, there's probably going to be test studies and there's going to be lessons learned and these, these, you know, tuitions are like you said, going to lead the way and you know, yeah, it will. Could there be a split? Absolutely. But when that time comes, you're going to be at least have all, not all the information, but a lot of information from all the thought leaders, you know, the Michael Saylors of the world, the Larry thinks, the Morgan Stanley's, to see where this thing lies and where it's going. So again, I think it's a, it's a time of learning, it's a time of growth and it's going to be exciting to cover. And that's what we were, what we're here to do@Crypto101. So any final thoughts?

B (35:06)

Yeah, my final thought is, is I would be a lot more concerned if people were just jamming crap down our throat telling us it wasn't something we needed to worry about or we're gonna push this off. But there's people actively looking to solve the technical issue and it really, from what I can tell, there are some real solutions here. It's just getting everybody aligned. And I think, just to reiterate what I said and you said, I think with all these big name players there, that will happen. But it's a great way to get clicks on articles, it's a great way to get clicks on videos. We know that because, because when people hear quantum computing and what the, it's scary when you really look at it at face value, but when you dig into the details, you're like, oh wait, there's, there's a solution here, there's a solution to fix this. And I, I think it's going to happen. But we'll be, we'll be reporting on it. You know, every time that I'm pretty much on here, you're on here, we'll be Talking about it. I'm not getting caught off guard with any quantum computing crap. I've worked too hard, you know, to stack my bitcoin, to stack my crypto. So, you know, we'll keep you in the loop as much as we can, but I think this isn't as big of a deal as what some of these articles are making it out to be. But we're starting to get some pro quantum articles too, like this right here,

A (36:18)

and be excited to learn about it, because again, it's the same thing. What's more scary, like learning about quantum computing and the effects it could have in the world, or, you know, when you first learned about the government and the money printer and inflation. Once you swallow that burger, it's like, hey, you can learn anything to protect your, your sovereignty and your funds. So dive into it. Be excited for the future. You know, that's kind of what we all got into the space for to begin with, right? So I, I think it's more, more exciting than not. And, and I think you got to be aware if you have any friends, I would challenge anybody who, if, if you talk to them or bring up the quantum threat and somebody just immediately goes, oh, that's not a threat. It's all, it's all just headlines. It's all just headlines. An opinion to have. But, like, I would challenge that person and, and, you know, wonder why they don't even want to learn about it. You know what I mean? I think you might want to be careful if you have any, whether it's an influencer or somebody you respect in the space or a friend that just, you know, brushes it off. I think it's something that you need to kind of keep tabs on and learn as. And I think the cool thing about this is there's obviously people who are way smarter than us that understand this stuff that are going to be thought leaders, but I think everybody's learning together. Like the space is going to learn together and against. Again, there's probably going to be multiple thoughts around this. So what better place to, to learn than here at the Crypto 101 podcast, as we all ways learn together, keeping in the stable coin and going back to the Poly Market. Decentralized market here. Let's see. Poly Market is ditching USDC and launching its own stable coin. Did you see this? I thought you might like this. I put it on here today.

B (37:57)

I did see this, and I think they're going through. I don't want to get this completely wrong, but I think they're going through some upgrades as well for this and they're gonna like wipe orders and like I think if you have, they're gonna like wipe order books clear for a while and if you have like a bot, that'll probably get wiped out as well. So it's a pretty big announcement. It's probably fueling a lot of like speculation like how that their token could be incorporated here. But polymarket's continuing to evolve. I think it's on the sheet somewhere. But they're absolutely printing money right now, these prediction markets and there's a lot of controversy around them as well. We've touched about this as well. But yeah, this is a big upgrade here and it's super interesting news. Something we're gonna be watching really closely.

A (38:46)

Yeah, I think, I wonder, I wonder. I don't have any inside information, but once this stable, I'm sorry, the Clarity act goes through, a lot of the focus is on stablecoin rewards and what can you do with it. And I don't know if this would be kind of lopped into a positioning for that to say, hey, we're actually going to launch our own Stable coin because then we kind of have an inside, you know, and I'm not saying they have an inside track or not, but clearly, you know, the, the rise to stardom that Shane and Polymark and just all betting markets are. Maybe there's people that have a little information for them and it's saying, hey, this is what we think is gonna be the rules of the road for stablecoins and then maybe that it's something that they can kind of like we saw in Kalshee. Right, Brian, it was like you can get some, you can get some yield from your, your, your account. And so maybe that's something they're looking at. Like hey, once we figure out the rules of the road, the Clarity act and Stable coins, we could offer something while also making some money too. So again, I don't have an idea of what that could be other than some type of yield rewards for your, your idle cash or maybe the cash that you lock up for a bet that won't clear for a year that, that would be interesting as well. So stuff that again, we're just going to keep noting here. Whenever we see something worth talking about, that's what we do, we bring it up. And then funny enough, friend of the show is Jamie Crypto diamond looking into prediction markets. Something you threw on the sheet.

B (40:14)

Yeah, Jamie Prediction Diamond's back at it right here and it looks like they're interested. I mean, for good reason. These, these prediction markets, everyone's got one right now, Gemini Coinbase and you know, love them or hate them, he is saying that they're going to rule out if they go in this direction, which if he's talking about it now, they're definitely going in that direction. Guy's most calculated interviewer of all time. They're rolling, got two sectors and I believe that's sports in politics. You know what they're probably going after? They're probably going after like the crypto trading on these prediction markets like bitcoin's five minute price. Bitcoin's price. By the end of the day they get massive action. It's essentially perps what you're doing. And, and even at one of our live events, we were just showing people Polymark how it worked and we did a five minute price action change and it felt like the, everybody in the audience was like loving it. It's just catching a lot of steam here. And these prediction markets are still making money hand over fist. Yeah. Is that the tweet from Tyler? Let me bring it up here. 65 million last week for polymarket, 293 last week for Kalshi. And they're driving a billion dollars per week in crypto market volume. So it's a big driving factor. So if JP Morgan and Jamie Dimon are saying, hey, we're interested in prediction markets, they're interested because there's a lot of money there and there's interest. So the prediction market super cycle still lives on.

A (41:45)

Ah, one of your calls, One of your calls. An unbelievable call. You were really, really early to this stuff and it's been fun, it's been fun to dive in and get some plays. I know like you said, when we had that in person event with, with our, our team, the, the, the audience was just locked in to the, you know, would you guys do an hour like bitcoin price for an hour or what was it five, five minutes?

B (42:08)

It was, I think it was a five minute trade. I gotta go back.

A (42:13)

I can't believe you did that. Then people were wondering like, how did it play out? I can't believe. So maybe it was an hour or something. I don't know.

B (42:20)

Maybe it was.

A (42:20)

I remember lunchtime, people like, did we win the bet? Did we win the bet?

B (42:24)

You're right, it was like 3pm Eastern time or something. I remember Joe actually executed the trade on my account and we did win whatever it was, but we didn't get all the order filled or anything. You know, we were doing it live. We were just showing people how it worked. And we took like a little vote in the audience. Not financial advice. Nobody else was involved. This is my own personal funds. And they brought, we brought a winner, you know, and we'll probably do more fun things like that in person and utilize these prediction markets because it is, it is gambling. I mean, I know like, you know, it is gambling to one point, but, you know, there's a lot of action there. There's a lot of interesting ways to possibly farm a token. They're making a lot of money, they're bring a lot of opportunities, and then you can get some killer information on them. So I love the prediction markets. I do think that they probably need to, you know, knock off some. Like there's a few issues out there with insider trading and some of the markets that they open. But, you know, someone more powerful and more involved than me will work all of that out. I'm just here for the, the fun.

A (43:24)

We'll do it live. That's what we do here. We do it prediction markets with people. We do it live here on YouTube and we thank everybody for joining us. I had some people trickling in and out. Really appreciate everybody joining the live again. Give it a thumbs up if you can. Bottom right. If you're new, hit the subscribe button. We do this multiple times a week and we love everybody that joins us. Let's see, what else do we got here to cover? Well, I don't, I don't know. We, we. This might be one of our last shows because apparently bitcoin's going to zero. Brian, once again, there's a viral clip. A new one. A new one. Diary of a CEO Podcast. Really great listen. But there was a viral clip going around in the last 24 hours of this thesis of why bitcoin's going to zero. And it was a little bit of a newer one, at least one that hasn't circulated for a while. So let's tune in and then we can debate on the back end.

B (44:17)

I wanted to come back to something you actually said earlier. You talked about bitcoin briefly. Yeah, I've heard you say that. You think bitcoin's going to zero.

D (44:23)

Yeah.

B (44:23)

Okay, this is worrying. I think I have some bitcoin. You're an economist. You're saying that bitcoin is going to zero. Why?

D (44:31)

Because ultimately because of its reliance upon energy. I mean, I, you know Max Kaiser and Stacy Herbert. Have you met them at all? No, they were sort of the Original proselytizers, Bitcoin, and they're now living in, I think, El Salvador, which has adopted bitcoin as a form of currency. When they told me about bitcoin, I could have bought it for a pound of bitcoin, which would have been, I would have been bloody, maybe wealthier than you if I'd done that. The reason I didn't was they explained that the way that the public ledger is kept safe is that it takes too much energy to break it. So each transaction requires 10 minutes of computer processing time, globally by the looks of it, to actually create an extra bitcoin. And that means it's too expensive for somebody to try to break the ledger. That means it's got a huge requirement for energy use. And I believe, knowing what I know from climate scientists, that at some point we're going to realize we're using far too much energy on the planet. We've got to cut the energy consumption. And the two easiest things to cut out to reduce energy consumption are cryptocurrencies and international travel.

A (45:40)

What a wrap up.

B (45:42)

Tell me you could have bought bitcoin at one pound and didn't, you know, tell me, tell me that there's a little bit of hate there.

A (45:51)

That's, that's the number one, that's the number one thing about that argument. It's like, wait, this has been your thesis since bitcoin was a dollar. So yeah, so technically you're wrong. Like you've already been proven wrong. We went up, you know, 120,000 since you had this thesis. So you're wrong. And then just like on the back end for me it's like, you know, you're, oh, climate, the climate scientists say we're going to have to cut out international travel. And, and bitcoin, it's like that's your two things. Internet. Like I can't go, I can't go to Europe, I can't do Euro Summer and I can't have my bitcoin. This guy, I don't know who he is. I should look, I should have looked that up. That's a, that's a ding on me. Because clearly to be on a show like that, you got to be somebody. But Brian, break it down. You had a great tweet, you know, really put some time in. If you're not following us on, on X, make sure you do because we're always having a lot of fun on there. But break down your thesis. I'll try and find out who this guy is.

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Yeah, well, to start things off, this is why I go to crypto101podcast Twitter account to find information because I didn't even see that viral tweet going around until I got an alert from crypto101. And I don't chime in a lot on Twitter because, you know, I save it for the rundown in our community. Everything but this, this just kind of, this got me a little bit because it's like 2022 all over again. You know, let's scare some people with quantum computing and tell everyone that, you know, cryptocurrency and bitcoin isn't green enough and it's taking all the energy away. It's a real point, it's a fair point by this guy about energy and energy matters. That's absolutely the truth. But bitcoin mining is already running on over 50% sustainable energy. So that's one big things. And we're becoming more and more, more and more efficient with the that power. It's getting better every single year. So the, the efficiency continues to keep getting better. We're already utilizing over 50% of sustainable energy. And what was the article I looked on a Cambridge April 20, 2025, 2025 study. So this is one of the newest study. So that means a ton whenever you're looking at this because we're using this 50% reusable energy which would have otherwise probably gone to waste at the end of the day. So this is, this is a really interesting take by this economist that he's kind of going after cryptocurrencies and also will be very difficult. The US government and a lot of people around the world have been trying to kill cryptocurrencies for years. When they realized they couldn't kill bitcoin anymore, they started to embracing it and now we're seeing major incentives institutions buying it. So energy is, I think I put energy's proof of work and efficiency keeps getting better every year and bitcoin's not going anywhere. There was even a really good tweet, a guy, Stella Blue, who also jumped in and talked about this as well. And what he said makes some really good points, but this tweet is absolutely overblown in my opinion. I. I'm not, I'm not aligned with this. I understand the, how valuable energy is and how we need to become more efficient, but the banking system, gold mining, all of these other legacy systems take up way more energy than Bitcoin could even dream. And they're not even utilizing all this sustainable energy that would go to waste that Bitcoin's using now.

A (49:43)

Great points. I love you calling out Stella Blue. We always appreciate when people interact. I told Stella Blue I want to give him a shout out on the pod. So he says, this is from a friend of the show, Stella Blue. He's not wrong. Fundamentally, however, bitcoin can't be stopped. But he's on to something and it's why bitcoin is so valuable. Ultimately, bitcoin is power. And in the end, energy will be money, which is, is a. Again, that's not a new take. It's something that I think Elon Musk has kind of danced around that. And what we're seeing now with all these AI agents is that's what you're paying for your credits, equal, you know, a run of your AI agent, which is based off the consumption of what's the energy it costs to run the AI agent. So this whole credit system, what's the future of money? Money's energy. It's. It's a great. Again, it's a great conversation to have. And I think something that I really enjoyed Stella Blue saying at the end here is, you know, just kind of a great overall thing to look at the space. So plenty of smart people could care less about it and absolutely don't care. But more importantly, people hate change and having to learn something new. A secret of life is embracing the challenge of learning new things. We are still early, but the writing is on the wall. It's basically a great summary of this whole episode. What we just said with quantum computing, don't be afraid to learn. And kind of saying here with, hey, we are early and, and I think again, it's. You're not as early as day one. Clearly there's been plenty of other cycles, but if you're somebody that's new into the space in the last year and maybe the price action, you're looking at it and saying, I'm going to take my ball and leave. You know, you got to make your own financial decisions, no doubt. But it is very interesting to be in A space before the Morgan Stanley's of the world, before the Blackrocks came into the world. Right. And so again, embrace new things, embrace the challenge of learning. And. And it's gonna be, you know, it's gonna be a ride. And you're in the right spot. I'll tell you, somebody's in the right spot. Ozzy Murray. Ozzy Murray said he subbed. Thank you, Ozzy. Where are you from, buddy? Yeah, we got Andy. Andy's here from Liverpool. And so I can't pronounce that one, but I know he's on Twitter because he was sending me new. New art. What's that name? Chun. Chun was sending me old art that he says I should replace my bitcoin Mona Lisa with something, I guess because I was getting yelled at in the last episode. So. Friend of the show, John. Great to see you guys in the chat. Been really fun having everybody last point. We didn't get to it on the momentum Moneymakers update, but I saw this giant, plushy, pudgy penguin taking over. I don't know, is that New York City in the background? And then I just got peppered with ads for the. The giant Pengu plush. Brian did. Are you getting one for the kids?

B (52:31)

I'm not, man. That thing's too big. I don't even know what I would do with it. Like, it's, you know, that is an aggressive size plushie. I'm sure people are buying it. I mean, this just goes to show you, we talk about this a lot. That penguin, the Pudgy Penguins brand, it's. It's one of my favorite, like, brand and meme coins out there. And it's. It certainly got whacked down with the rest of the market, but they're continuing to just produce content. Games, videos, TV series, these giant plushies. You're starting to see more and more people about it. And even back to our boy Stella Blue, that tweet. I went to go look at his. I just, I just made him a friend on Twitter because I was kind of vibing with the stuff he was talking about. He's talking about health as wealth. And then he had Pengu in his title of his ex account. And I was like, oh, this is my guy. So he had a great take and love to see him supporting the Pengu Token. But this just goes to show you that the Pudgy Penguin teams can continue rolling stuff out hand over fist. And I love to see it. We're in a bear market. We're in a market where, you know, we're talking about geopolitical stuff. And on chain activity feels as low as it's ever been. It really does. You know, I'm a, I'm a meme coin guy. I'm a brand coin guy. I love myself some AI agents, but people aren't speculating as much because we're all just kind of watching the market, what direction it's going to go. But people still want to speculate, I can guarantee you that. And there's going to be the next wave of momentum that we're all going to be. And I have some ideas of what that could be. But I don't think Pengu is going to be left behind. They're just too big of a brand right now and they continue to produce, you know, likable, strong content that's not just focused on the crypto world. This is focused on. I mean, I guess whoever wants a giant pudgy, let me kick it back over to you and ask you, where are you putting your giant pudgy?

A (54:27)

Kind of want one. I think we will, we will set a price target. Let's pull up our Pengu chart. Let's set a price target. And if we hit.

B (54:36)

I like this. I like this.

A (54:38)

If we hit a price, if we hit a price, we're going to buy one or two Pengu plushies. What are we going to do, Brian?

B (54:45)

I'm in. I'll buy one. If the price is right, I'll buy one for sure.

A (54:49)

I'll buy one too. So one for. One for the kids with Brian and then one for, for. For me.

B (54:54)

My wife's going to kill me when this thing shows up. But I'll have to show her what our Pengu bag looks like.

A (55:00)

Penguins share this tab instead. And of course I hit the wrong tab. I hit close tab. Sorry, juggling a lot here. It's hard to host. Co host and, and do the production sometimes, but I try my best for the people. Let's go.

B (55:13)

One year.

A (55:14)

Woof. All right, we're building a nice base here. We're building a nice base where we found a floor. Where's the Pengu plushie? Maybe should we do this live? Should we do this live on Friday as a little teaser maybe? Think about it. And we do it. We do it live.

B (55:30)

All right. I like that. We're sitting right around a 400 million dollar market cap.

A (55:34)

Okay, so everybody listening on the back end of the show. Brian and I are going to be back on Friday at 1pm Eastern. I believe it's going to be pushed we should have a little bit more of a livelier chat. Hopefully we have good news and the markets are green and there's some peace and love in the world, because we all know that peace and love is. Is much better than the alternative. And it feels like we need some. So I'm hoping for a fun Friday and I think this could be a fun event. So if you're listening now, make sure you come. If you can't join us live, comment on Spotify or go on our Twitter, let us know what price target you want. Brian and I to buy a penguin plush and we will set that and then we'll figure it out live together on Friday. Once we hit it, Brian and I will be buying a Pengu plush. So a fun little, fun little game here for the Crypto 101 podcast. Any final thoughts, Brian? As we wrap up today, we got Ozzy from Canada. I asked where Ozzy's from. Ozzy's from Canada. Our lovely neighbors from the north. We've got Liverpool across the pond. Another international show.

B (56:35)

We're just. We're all over the globe, man. I. I see they're trying to. That economist is trying to get rid of international travel. He's taken away two of our biggest. Two of our biggest claims to fame here. Bitcoin. And then obviously when we go international together, we're going to be like celebrities because there's so many people that we can't go anywhere. I mean, there's people all over the place.

A (56:56)

When I feel like we're gonna start getting recognized in the street. There were international men of mystery over here.

B (57:03)

This guy's trying to take that away from us. So it's making me even more angry at that clip. But

A (57:09)

that is our final thought. I should have found who this guy was before we started. So it was Professor Steve Keen, Finance. So apparently Stephen Bartlett. D. No, Stephen Bartlett is the host of the Diary CEO Steve Keen. So Steve Keen is famous for predicting the 2008 crash. He's a professor, the world's first rebel economist to predict the 2008 financial crisis years before it happened, based on his proprietary data software, Ravel, which I'm sure he wants you to subscribe to. He has spent over 30 years as an academic and is currently a visiting scholar at the University of Amsterdam. So Steve likes to party.

B (57:53)

Find Steve at the. Find Steve at the coffee shop in Amsterdam.

A (57:56)

Where is he in the city center campus or is he in the red light district? Campus. Let me know, Steve. But the professor again, I. Okay, so you gotta Appreciate his perspective and give him the respect that he deserves. That he did call, apparently the 2008 crash. But I will say they make movies about people who call crashes when they put their money where their mouth is. And we all know the famous Michael Burry movie, the Big Short. So again, I wonder, interesting to see if Steve Keane worked with those guys. Maybe they helped use the software. Not something I can research and find out immediately on the show, but again, just a little clarity of, of who that was saying that bitcoin's going to zero. Maybe he did wonder if he did help those guys and they, they, they paid him out, he was a part of that team or another huge missed opportunity.

B (58:43)

I need, I need more. We need to get this guy on a debate podcast. You know, he's way smarter than I could ever dream, but I need to get him on a debate podcast because I need to know why he plucked out, you know, he's, he's picking on international travel and bitcoin. Out of all the things that eat energy, that's what he's going after. It, it just seems, it feels like FUD with a capital F. And his claim to fame was about 20 years ago. So, you know, if it was two years ago, some big crash calls, maybe I'd be more receptive.

C (59:15)

I don't know.

B (59:15)

I'm a hater. I'm a hater on this guy a little bit. You know, I don't like anybody challenging when it doesn't seem like it lines up with the actual facts. But we'll, we'll see. We'll see, Steve. We'll see how this happens. I like the camp I'm in.

A (59:30)

Yeah, I'm trying to think. I put a quick Google in. Did Steve Keane make money on 2008 crisis call? Nothing came up off of a quick Google, but he did receive the Revere Award in 2010 for his foresight.

B (59:50)

I mean, I'm not saying he's not a smart guy. He doesn't foresight. He's probably had some wrong picks out there as well.

A (59:57)

Professor Steve, this is a deeper dive by. You have to preface which AI you're using now, Brian. I didn't know if you, if you knew that now that we're international figures, you have to say which AI you're using. So this is Google's deeper AI. Google AI, deeper dive here. Professor Steve Keane did not profit financially from the mark from a market bet on the 2008 crisis. Instead, he famously lost. Lost. Oh, a high profile wager. Steve, Steve, Steve.

B (60:27)

It's unwinding.

A (60:28)

I'm just prefacing which AI I'm using. Brian. I'm just saying. He famously. Apparently not that famous because we haven't heard about it, but according to Google, he famously lost a hope high profile wager regarding its impact on the Australian housing market. While he correctly warned in 2005 that the rising private debt would trigger a global crash, he. His specific prediction at the Australian house prices would drop by 40% failed to materialize. The wager. In November 2008, Keen bet McGuire Group strategist Roy Robertson that the housing price would plummet 40%. Prices instead reached new highs by late 2009, leading Keen to officially lose the bet. The penalty as the loser Keane had. Okay, so it was a friendly wager. Keane had to complete a 220.224kilometer trek from Canberra to the summit of. I'm not even gonna pronounce that. Some mountain in April 2010. Okay, so it's more of an academic bet. I guess so, but I don't know. He could have rode the big short and made a lot of money with that bet, but he got his award. He's an academic. He got his academic award. Not trying to pile onto Steve keane here, but 0 for 1 with the Big Short. 0 for 2. Bitcoin at a dollar. So I don't know, I guess place your bets.

B (61:54)

I'm not, I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to keep score here, but it sounds like he's down by two goals and he's in a little bit of trouble right now. That. That's not helping if that. That's not helping his case with me. I mean, he's wearing it, but we'd

A (62:07)

love to have him on our show. Professor Steve Keane, open invitation, healthy debate, friendly debate. We'd love to have him on because again, he's obviously super accomplished in his field and he's on the podcast Diary of a CEO, which is a huge show. So congrats to him on that appearance and congrats on going viral. That's what it's all about in the content game. You poke and pull and push and you got. You got a little viral clip there, Steve. So again, we'd love to have you on the show. That'll wrap us up for today. Brian took the over on the 30 minutes. Almost a double. We're pushing up on an hour. That's what we do here. Ryan and Teva, the butteriest voices on the Internet. Ninja Nation. Interesting. No shout out.

B (62:50)

Shout out to that Buttery comp. That buttery comment we were joking about earlier between the show never is my Pittsburgh accent so nasally been called buttery. But Whoever wrote that TiVo shared that with me and I was like, we, we, we kind of get hung up on the hate comments every once in a while, but this is one that put a smile on my face. Never in my life has someone I

A (63:10)

was gonna, I was gonna lead off the show with it. I was gonna lead off the show with it on Friday. I still might because it's Friday vibes and we gotta start. But we'll end the show shout out Holy whale. We'll see if he listens to the whole episode today. But we're gonna start off with some positive vibes on Friday. Yeah, calling us butter voices. Unbelievable. We appreciate the love, especially after some, some harsh, harsh hate comments. But that's gonna do it all for us today. Hey, we had a ton of different people stop stop in today. Really appreciate everybody joining the live. Thank you as always for listening to the audio. We really appreciate you guys. We're going to be back Friday live at 1pm EST. We're going to cover some news. Hopefully it's a good vibes Friday. But that's all for today and we'll see you then. Bye bye everybody.

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