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Adam Grant
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Ryan Reynolds
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- [00:34]
Ryan Reynolds
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Jesse M. Keenan
You haven't changed your hair in 15 years. Selfies check please.
- [00:42]
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- [00:55]
Ryan Reynolds
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- [01:19]
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- [01:31]
Dr. Samantha Wien
Science leads to innovations that reshape the way we live. From how our cities grow to the discoveries happening in the lab, this episode explores the creative, tenacious and honest breakthroughs guiding us towards a more sustainable future. I'm Dr. Samantha Wien and this is Curiosity. Weekly. Around the world cities are discovering new and creative ways to adapt to climate change. Senior producer Teresa Carey will sit down with Jesse M. Keenan, an expert in climate adaptation and sustainable urban planning. Together they explore what it really means to build climate resilient cities. We'll also look at a study on how climate misinformation spreads and why people often trust good news more than hard truths. It raises a tricky paradox for scientists. How do you stay transparent and earn trust before people tune you out? And some good news from the lab. Researchers have found a new potential way to repair tooth enamel. And it all starts with your hair. Let's get into it when you see a headline that mentions making toothpaste from hair, I get why you'd want to scroll away. But hear me out. What if there was a chance it could repair enamel and have an environmental benefit? We love a two for one. Researchers just found that keratin, the protein that forms your hair, nails and part of your skin, could repair tooth enamel and stop early signs of tooth decay. The researchers found that when keratin mixes with the minerals in our saliva, the protein transforms into a crystal like scaffold that is very similar to our natural enamel. Over time, the keratin also attracts calcium and phosphate ions, growing a new enamel like layer that can protect the tooth. Fluoride in water and toothpaste is great because it can slow down tooth decay. Fantastic for prevention. But wouldn't it be great if we could also regenerate tooth enamel even when it seems too late? When they tested their keratin concoction on samples of human enamel, they saw remineralization by filling the gaps in an eroded enamel. It's like you're regenerating your teeth. But there's more. The environmental effects of this discovery are also very exciting. The team from King's College London got their keratin from sheep's wool, making this an incredibly sustainable potential option. See, some normal toothpastes contain things like triclosan that don't really break down well in the environment, especially in our oceans. Keratin is a renewable resource and is biodegradable, so while it probably won't replace toothpaste altogether, it's cool to see an ingredient that's potent for our teeth, but not our water supply. This is only the beginning and the product won't be hitting shelves anytime soon. But if for when it does, it would be really cool to have another tool for taking care of our teeth and by finding a use for a renewable material. I know using toothpaste from things like sheep's wool or nail clippings might not seem like the most enticing way to clean your teeth and but hey, if it gives me a better smile and saves the turtles at the same time, sign me up.
- [04:32]
Adam Grant
What's up? Adam Grant from Work Life A TED podcast here and I want to tell you about something exciting you're watching. EveryDollar and Walmart business helps you stretch each one from office supplies to snacks and cleaning gear. You'll get everyday low prices plus easy bulk ordering and fast delivery. And with tools like spend tracking and multi user accounts, staying organized is simple. Save time money and hassle@business.walmart.com it's free to sign up.
- [04:57]
Paige Desorbo
Hey, I'm Paige Desorbo and I'm always thinking about underwear.
- [05:01]
Hannah Berner
I'm Hannah Berner and I'm also thinking about underwear, but I prefer full coverage. I like to call them my granny panties.
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Paige Desorbo
Actually, I never think about underwear. That's the magic of Tommy John.
- [05:12]
Hannah Berner
Same they're so light and so comfy. And if it's not comfortable, I'm not wearing it.
- [05:16]
Paige Desorbo
And the bras? Soft, supportive and actually breathable.
- [05:19]
Jesse M. Keenan
Yes.
- [05:20]
Hannah Berner
Lord knows the girls need to breathe. Also, I need my PJs to breathe and be buttery, soft and stretchy enough for my dramatic tossing and turning at night. That's why I live in my Tommy John pajamas.
- [05:31]
Paige Desorbo
Plus they're so cute because they fit perfectly.
- [05:34]
Hannah Berner
Put yourself on to Tommy John.
- [05:35]
Paige Desorbo
Upgrade your drawer with Tommy John. Save 25% for a limited time at tommyjohn.com comfort See site for details.
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- [06:10]
Dr. Samantha Wien
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- [06:14]
Ryan Reynolds
Hey, Ryan Reynolds here for Mint Mobile. Now I don't know if you've heard, but Mint's premium wireless is $15 a month. But I'd like to offer one other perk. We have no stores. That means no small talk. Crazy weather we're having. No, it's not. It's just weather. It is an introvert's dream. Give it a try@mintmobile.com Switch upfront payment.
- [06:38]
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- [06:48]
Dr. Samantha Wien
As climate change accelerates, cities face more and more challenges from extreme weather, rising sea levels and shifting environmental conditions. Thankfully, as challenges mount, the solutions are becoming more innovative and sophisticated. It's no longer just about concrete barriers or emergency plans. Now we're looking at green infrastructure, advanced technologies and real time monitoring to protect communities. Senior producer Teresa Carey wanted to know what it truly means to create climate resilient cities. Joining her is Jessie M. Keenan, a leading expert in climate adaptation, urban planning and sustainable real estate who brings invaluable insights from his work advising major cities like New York and Miami. Here they are.
- [07:34]
Teresa Carey
When we talk about climate resilient cities, it often means more than just building infrastructure to withstand big storms or rising seas. It includes integrating green infrastructure like urban parks, green roofs, stormwater management systems, and inclusive governance processes. Could you elaborate on what resilience looks like in practice, especially in cities like New York and Miami where you've worked, and how balancing these technical solutions with the social dimensions of resilience?
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Jesse M. Keenan
Resilience is one of many allied concepts that falls within this broader umbrella of climate adaptation. And in fact, there's a lot of different types of resilience. So engineering resilience, ecological resilience, community resilience are the sor of three pillars that we see globally. Under this broader umbrella of climate adaptation. We have engineering resilience, which you referenced, specific to infrastructure performance and critical infrastructure, and how we design engineered systems to be able to revert back after a big disaster or a major impact, a shock to the system, if you will. But we also have ecological resilience. That is, the world around us is getting hotter and warmer and diseases are spreading and for and the like. And how can we manage that environment in a way that maintains not necessarily a measure of stability, but maintains its ecological integrity in a way that is in service to human settlement, to clean air, clean water, and the like? And finally, the final major concept of resilience that we see is something called community resilience. And this is basically how people learn from it through their own experience about disasters, about climate impacts, about both the shock and the stress, and how we respond as individuals, households, communities, and as institutions. How do we prepare for what comes next in the face of these climate impacts?
- [09:34]
Teresa Carey
Okay, so when you're talking about managing environmental resources or adaptation, I'd like to get a little more concrete than that because I feel like these strategies can really vary dramatically depending on the city's geographic and climate vulnerabilities. Like in Miami, they might have sea level rise or hurricane threats, and inland cities might have heat waves or fires. And so can you give us a few concrete examples of an adaptation or an approach? Like maybe some of the work that you've done in New York or the other places that you've worked.
- [10:09]
Jesse M. Keenan
What I would say is that, yes, there is a different risk profile for different cities, but in fact, at least in North America and the United States, many risks that we face for climate change are actually fairly well distributed. Extreme precipitation can happen just about anywhere. Extreme heat can happen just about anywhere. In many ways, cities have a toolkit, particularly in the context of, let's say, nature based solutions within this broader strategy of adaptation. So let's talk about what those may be in some concrete ways. So at a building level, there's all kinds of things that we can do. And think about a building, on a property level, there's things that we can do to capture rain, right? And you've probably seen in your neighbor's house someone has a rain collection barrel or even a cistern. Well, that really matters about the average person consumes about 100 gallons of water a day. About 50 gallons is going for essentially watering your lawn, washing your car and things basically non potable water things water we're not drinking, right. So collecting rain off your roof in your backyard, that actually adds up in terms of having a lot of collateral benefits, including saving energy, by the way, because we spend a lot of energy just moving water around. And of course in dry areas of the country, that really matters in terms of water conservation. So we have green roofs and blue roofs, and green roofs are designed to reduce the radiant energy and heat load on a building. And blue roofs are designed to store water temporarily and that prevents water runoff and prevents the diffusion of pollutants in the environment and actually allows us to process that water appropriately. But even things like planter boxes in your yard can actually help store water or slow down water temporarily, let's say in an extreme precipitation event. But even at the building level, we're thinking about shading for landscape and that's important for reducing radiant heat energy on our buildings and reducing our energy loads. And that's good for both climate mitigation and climate adaptation. We're thinking about how we manage the landscape around buildings for wildfires and reducing fuel risks. And landscape itself can even reduce wind loads on buildings that can whip up dust and certain other pollutants that we breathe. So it has a collateral public health benefit in terms of air quality, including indoor air quality. But even at a building scale, there are techniques like green walls and living facades. We're essentially bringing in biomass into the elements of the building to help again reduce radiant heat loads. And that's really important for two reasons. One, it reduces energy consumption and that's good for climate mitigation and reducing greenhouse gases. The other part of it is what call passive survivability. If a building loses power, and by the way, it happens all the time, can that building maintain an a safe ambient temperature on the inside? And so if you're reducing radiant heat from the outside it's actually making that builder safer in the event that the power goes out. And by the way, that's super important, particularly for elderly people or people who may not be as have access to. I don't even air conditioning. Many people in this country simply can't even afford air conditioning.
- [13:34]
Teresa Carey
As I was looking into your work, I learned that climate intelligence is an important part of this. It's an emerging field that combines data collection, climate modeling and real time monitoring to give cities a picture of the environmental risks and the greenhouse gas emissions. Could you explain how this climate intelligence works in practice? How this information is maybe changing urban planning and resilience strategies?
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Jesse M. Keenan
So historically, we in the United States have utilized climate intelligence data sources and analytical platforms to make all kinds of decisions in urban planning. We're trying to understand a lot of different things, whether it's agriculture and where to plant different types of seeds that require different types of irrigation, that for water that may or may not be available, all the way down to trying to understand where a building or a house may flood, for instance. And as I outline in my new book, the Future of Post Climate America, is that in general, consumers don't have great access to this information. This flow of data and information is really benefiting the private sector and those who can pay for these very sophisticated analytics. But as an average consumer, we just don't have access to this information. So it's an uneven field and it's an uneven landscape for consumers.
- [15:04]
Teresa Carey
Yeah, and I'm sure a lot of consumers would want to have access to this information, but I wonder if we would know what to do with it. So I'm playing the role of a worried homeowner here, which is not a role that's hard to play. I want to know what I can actually do to make my home more climate resilient without tearing it all down or totally breaking the bank. I'm not expecting to rebuild from scratch. What are some smart, doable steps that people can take to protect their homes from climate risks? I'm up here in Maine. How would those steps look different compared to someone living in California, say?
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Jesse M. Keenan
What we see is that the state of analysis is such that homeowners can at least be put on notice that there's a possibility of these risks. Right. It's a kind of binary. Red, green, maybe red, yellow, green, you know, moderate risk, high risk. This is about as good as it gets in that context. Homeowners and renters can make all kinds of decisions, not just where they're going to live, but if they, for instance, need to put retrofits in into their home. They may want to elevate some portion of the home or maybe they're getting an air conditioning put in and they may want to elevate the air conditioning itself a few feet off the ground. Or whether they want to put in extra insulation and weatherize their property or even put in a battery system which is increasingly affordable, or solar panels. Panels. There's a number of things that you can do for both climate mitigation and adaptation at a building level that would be informed by, hey, my house might flood, hey, my house might lose power because of a windstorm event. You know, any number of risks that may manifest along the way.
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Teresa Carey
And so if we consider the possibility of building new cities, say, or reconstructing existing ones with features like roofs anchored to withstand storms or innovative materials like CO2 absorbing cement, I can imagine there seems to be a dilemma. The construction process itself probably would generate a significant amount of waste and emissions from the demolition debris carbon footprint of the building materials. Could the very act of developing these climate resilient cities and the infrastructure end up contributing more to climate change? And when is it better to just leave things as they are rather than rebuilding? What are the trade offs?
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Jesse M. Keenan
Well, there's a lot here to take from your questions, but I think it's a fair question because I think it's a series of questions that people ask a lot. First of all, I think it's recognized, and I talk about this in my new book, north the Future, Post Climate America. In the book I was doing some research and you know, a very small amount of, of sea level rise in coastal Louisiana would inundate about 60,000 homes in just a few decades. And that's about 500,000 dump trucks worth of debris. So it isn't, you know, we have upwards of 40% of our landfills are just full of housing debris and construction debris and waste in this country. So I don't want to, I don't want to sort of, you know, not value that point of view because it's an important, important one. But for the most part, cities will be able to, in many places we'll be able to adapt in place. I don't think it's the optimal way to think about the future of American development in the context of a kind of post climate America, if you will, to think about we're going to build new cities or we're going to build these kind of utopian greenfield developments. I think what is much more realistic and perhaps more beneficial from a carbon mitigation point of view, is to retrofit our housing, to retrofit it for purposes of reducing energy and de risking. And now in some cities we may have to relocate, we may have to shift from one part of town to another part of town, for instance, low elevation to high elevation. But in general, the idea of building new kind of utopian resilient cities is really more or less a fiction. And in fact it would significantly undermine the affordability and accessibility for people of lesser means, because the infrastructure costs to build new cities and new, you know, sustainable infrastructure with all the bells and whistles that come along with it would be so high that it would actually price out a lot of households. The relative affordability of housing is determined primarily by its land costs, because it costs about the same to build luxury as it does more moderate housing. It all really has to do with the land price and land prices are baking in infrastructure costs. So if we go out and build super sustainable high technology infrastructure from scratch in the middle of nowhere in Ohio, it's going to be extremely expensive and very few people would be able to live there. It's much more reasonable to think that we have a lot of embodied carbon, embedded carbon in our economy and transportation systems and in all kinds of other systems that we can build on and in. And so I think the future is really about more localized movements of people and infrastructure and ecologies for that matter, that we can manage, that are trying to de risk and also decarbonize our built environment.
- [20:20]
Teresa Carey
With climate change constantly reaching new limits with heat, with storms, it's really easy to get discouraged. And so what gets you excited or optimistic about the future?
- [20:34]
Jesse M. Keenan
Yeah, so a number of years ago, the media sort of created this fiction of the idea of climate havens, and it was built on the work of myself and a number of people who are thinking about climate destinations. There are these places that social scientists and others, planners and the like have observed where people are moving to and we call these receiving zones. I think it's a misnomer to call them climate havens because again, it's a kind of fiction. There's all kinds of trade offs. Nowhere is safe, nowhere is really a haven. But the optimism for me is that we can take agency and control of our lives and that we can move somewhere with the idea of investing, adaptation, resilience, climate mitigation, that we can actually make investments in a sustainable built environment. Because with all of these people on the move, we can either recreate suburban sprawl or we can make Investments that are truly advancing sustainable urbanization. Right. Even if it's infill development, we're retrofitting housing, whatever we can do, it's going to improve social welfare, it's going to improve public health, it's going to improve environmental quality. And so I think as climate change is shaking up the world order on some level, and there's a tremendous competition for energy and resources, and as people are on the move and dislocated, I think we have the opportunity to put together those pieces in a way that truly advances a lot of our societal goals, at least in terms of environmental quality and social welfare. So I get really excited at the idea that in full acknowledgement that there's loss and pain along the way, but that people are beginning to see that there are alternatives, there are techniques. We don't need to reinvent the wheel, most of the technology, material science, design, engineering, you know, everything is in place. We have the tools that we need to achieve a more advanced and sustainable built environment and home for people. So I think people are recognizing the true value of that. And if that means that they're going to move to another part of town and invest in a little rain garden in their backyard, or if they're going to move across the country and try to participate in advancing and investing in a truly sustainable community, then so be it. And I think that that's a tremendous opportunity and shift in the way we think about our responsibility to our neighbors, our community and to the earth.
- [23:10]
Teresa Carey
I like that. So we can make these investments and improvements and we can respond and adapt. So then looking ahead to say, 2050, if you were to paint your ideal, a picture of your ideal climate, resilient city, what would be the key features and investment that you think are necessary today to realize that vision for 2050?
- [23:30]
Jesse M. Keenan
15% of our carbon emissions just comes from transportation. We have to really reinvest in dense suburbs and urban areas that have access to trams, light rail, heavy rail and building. Transit oriented development is the first major step in advancing sustainable urbanization. Thereafter, I think it's about investments in our urban landscape and about tree canopies and bioswales and the landscape and the biomass that sustains blue and green infrastructure. We're at the end of the the useful life of a lot of American gray infrastructure. The next phase will be defined by much more effective and economical investments in natural processes and biophysical processes. So I think that connection has benefits for public health, mental health, the aesthetics of our environment. I think we often overlook the aesthetics and don't recognize that there's a kind of biophilia that is the relationships between human and environment are, are mediated and designed places, including in our landscape and urban forms. And I think that's a world I want to live in.
- [24:42]
Teresa Carey
And you've talked a lot about the social factors, the economic factors, not just the environment itself. Climate change is kind of reshaping all of that. And as cities adapt, how can they foster community resilience that includes equity and opportunity? In other words, how do we build these cities where adaptation efforts strengthen social bonds and empower marginalized groups and reduce these disparities rather than deepen them?
- [25:10]
Jesse M. Keenan
I think when we're talking about, I don't know, nature based solutions, simple things like in context of green infrastructure, parks and green spaces, that sure, it may be storing water during a flood event, but it also becomes a place where social bonds and social functions exist in a shared space. Right. And I think a lot of times we forget, a lot of us grew up in the suburbs with no parks. Right. With no place. I grew up in a generation in the 1980s and 1990s. We went to the mall. That was our shared space, right. And it was air conditioned and that was great. But what's the next generation? What's that shared space? What's that shared platform? Not a digital platform, but a true physical space where people can interact. So landscape parks, nature based solutions, it gets us going, it activates our bodies, but it also has social functions that are good for people. And so that's just one of many, many examples where you have co benefits and the co benefits are to the benefit of people and biodiversity and active lifestyles and provide healthy food and clean water and even do things like reduce noise pollution. But at the end of the day, these are shared public spaces and I think we have to invest in the public good and not lose track of that. We've forgotten what it means to operate in the interest of the public good and in the interest of the commons. And climate change forces us to recognize that we're all in this together, no matter how much money we make and how we identify ourselves.
- [26:47]
Teresa Carey
Yeah, definitely. Thank you for that. I want to know what is the best place that we can find? Your book, north the Future of Post Climate America.
- [26:56]
Jesse M. Keenan
The best place is Oxford University Press, coming out this fall.
- [27:01]
Teresa Carey
Okay, great. I'm looking forward to it. Thank you so much for talking with me.
- [27:04]
Jesse M. Keenan
Thank you so much for having me.
- [27:11]
Ryan Reynolds
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- [27:18]
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- [27:19]
Ryan Reynolds
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- [27:22]
Jesse M. Keenan
You haven't changed your hair in 15 years. Selfies check please.
- [27:27]
Verizon Announcer
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- [27:40]
Adam Grant
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- [29:11]
Dr. Samantha Wien
Here's some irony for you. A researcher has proposed a new idea to explain when too much transparency can actually, actually hurt trust in science. It's something of a catch 22. We know transparency is supposed to build trust by opening the curtain on how science and institutions operate. But oddly, being too transparent can actually decrease public trust. The paper is by Byron Hyde from Bangor University, who wanted to explore why he argues it's not just how transparent you are, but what sort of information you reveal. He calls the phenomenon the transparency Paradox. According to Hyde, transparency about good news tends to build trust. But when honesty means exposing bad news like conflicts of interest or scientific uncertainty, trust actually drops. Hyde defines bad news as anything that falls below the public expectation. I think this explains why vaccine science can be so tricky to communicate. Like even though we all know that medicines come with some side effects, we're a lot less tolerant of any potential side effects. When we're taking something preventative, if we feel fine at the moment, we expect to stay fine. So hearing that there are risks, even if they are more minor than the risks of infection, even if all medicines have risks, it feels like bad news because it doesn't meet our expectations. Hyde's paper doesn't involve new experiments or data collection. Instead, it's a theoretical analysis that synthesizes and interprets a wide range of existing research and evidence on public trust, trust, science communication, and transparency. This allowed Hyde to create a framework that explains the relationship between trust and science. He published this work in the journal Theory and Society, and according to his framework, the paradox occurs when people hold an overly idealistic view of science as perfect and error free. When someone sees the messy, uncertain reality behind scientific research, confidence is shaken. Because we expect science to be about truths, facts and conclusions, uncertainty makes us uncomfortable. Hyde says that to maintain trust, institutions might be tempted to conceal or withhold bad news. But let's be clear. Both Hyde, me and the entire team at Curiosity Weekly strongly disagree and would never endorse doing that. In this study, Hyde argues that the real key is better science education and communication that conveys why uncertainty is a part of the process, helping people understand that science is ongoing. There can be mistakes, biases and revisions. It's done by humans, after all. Its strength is that science is iterative and changes as we learn more. For me, just by understanding how science really works, even with all its uncertainties and limitations, that really helps develop a more realistic trust in science, one that's not easily broken when things change or when results aren't exactly what we want them to be. In a world grappling with big issues like pandemics and climate change, a very clear and nuanced understanding is more crucial than ever. So here at Curiosity, we'll keep sticking to the facts and being open to learning along with you. For Warner Bros. Discovery, Curiosity Weekly is produced by the team at Wheelhouse DNA. The senior producer and editorial correspondent is Teresa Carey. Our producer is Chiara Noni, our audio engineer is Nick Karisimi and head of Production for Wheelhouse DNA is Cassie Berman. And I'm Dr. Samantha Yuin. Thanks for listening. I'm good at lying like for good. Like to throw a surprise party. Like, I've actually done this a weird amount of times. I go deep and I'm very good at it. But I can't lie about anything that matters.
- [33:09]
Ryan Reynolds
Dude, did you order the new iPhone 17 Pro? Got it from Verizon, the best 5G network in America. I never looked so good.
- [33:16]
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- [33:17]
Ryan Reynolds
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- [33:20]
Jesse M. Keenan
You haven't changed your hair in 15 years. Selfies, check please.
- [33:25]
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- [33:39]
Paige Desorbo
Hey, I'm Paige Desorbo and I'm always thinking about underwear.
- [33:42]
Hannah Berner
I'm Hannah Burner and I'm also thinking about underwear, but I prefer full coverage. I like to call them my granny panties.
- [33:48]
Paige Desorbo
Actually, I never think about underwear. That's the magic of Tommy John.
- [33:53]
Hannah Berner
Same. They're so light and so comfy. And if it's not comfortable, I'm not wearing it.
- [33:57]
Paige Desorbo
And the bras? Soft, supportive and actually breathable.
- [34:00]
Hannah Berner
Yes. Lord knows the girls need to breathe. Also, I need my PJs to breathe and be buttery, soft and stretchy enough for my dramatic tossing and turning at night. That's why I live in my Tommy John pajamas.
- [34:12]
Paige Desorbo
Plus they're so cute because they fit perfectly.
- [34:15]
Hannah Berner
Put yourself on to Tommy John.
- [34:16]
Paige Desorbo
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- [34:25]
Dr. Samantha Wien
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Jesse M. Keenan
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Dr. Samantha Wien
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