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Brooke Devard
hello hello, it's Brooke Devard from Naked Beauty. Join me each week for unfiltered discussion about beauty trends, self care journeys, wellness tips, and the products we absolutely love and cannot get enough of. If you are a skincare obsessive and you spend 20 plus minutes on your skincare routine, this podcast is for you. Or if you're a newbie at the beginning of your skincare journey, you'll love this podcast as well. Because we go so much deeper than beauty. I talk to incredible and inspiring, inspiring people from across industries about their relationship with beauty. You'll also hear from skincare experts. We break down lots of myths in the beauty industry. If this sounds like your thing, search for Naked Beauty on your podcast app and listen along. I hope you'll join us.
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Dr. Samantha Amien
Hi there lab coat enthusiasts. Let's do an experiment together. You test out, leaving us a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify, and then we'll all see how happy it makes us. We think the results will trend in a positive direction. Your feedback is important research for this show. Okay, thanks so much. Did you know whales can speak in different dialects? Researchers are now discovering that different pods of sperm whales use distinct click languages, and they're trying to see if they can translate them from the whale to something that humans can understand. We'll talk about marine acoustics with David Gruber, the whale whisperer himself. But before we swim there, there's a brand new species of octopus whose discovery has been a long time coming. And then we'll talk about a new gene editing therapy that's been shown to lower bad cholesterol significantly. Welcome to Curiosity Weekly. I'm Dr. Samantha Amien okay, what happens when you cross a grumpy two eyed minion with a smurf? Well, you get the newly discovered microeledony octopus. Yeah, it looks just like a plushy looking creature that scientists found in 2015. And after a fascinating 10 year story, it's now a whole new species classification. So here's what happened. Back in 2015, researchers aboard the Nautilus were scanning the ocean floor with the robotic submarine in the Galapagos islands at about 5,800ft deep. That's when their camera caught a flash of blue. They zoomed in and found this little eight armed creature small enough to sit in the palm of your hand. The researchers were charmed. You can hear them on video exclaiming about how tiny and cute it is. And trust me, it is cute. It has big black, curious eyes. So adorable. They collected the octopus and preserved it before sending it to the Charles Darwin Research Station on Santa Cruz Island. Now it wasn't until 2017 when scientists went through specimen photos and realized that this octopus was something special. One thing led to another. And when they contacted Janet Voigt, curator emerita of invertebrates from the Field Museum in Chicago, she decided she needed to see the specimen up close. After close to five years, the research station agreed to ship the octopus to Chicago. Janet Voigt put it in a CT scanner to see the details of the body. It turns out unlike most octopuses, this one has no ink sac, which makes sense since since it was found in the pitch black deep ocean where a cloud of ink wouldn't really help you hide from predators. So now they're thinking it's in the genus Thomelodony. But they found more details. One of its salivary glands was smaller compared to a relative. Its skin was smooth, not bumpy. It had one large distinctive tooth and the others were too hard to image, whether because they're flatter, smaller or missing entirely. And even though it looks blue on camera, it's actually almost colorless on top and purple inside. The verdict? This little octopus doesn't belong to Thaumilodenae at all. It belongs to the genus Microelodony, which makes it a brand new species from the deep equatorial Pacific. It's amazing to think we're still discovering new species in 2026. Scientists estimate that 91% of marine species have never been discovered. And with climate change heating the oceans, creatures like this little blue octopus might disappear before we even know they're there.
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What if you laughed all through your commute? Or if you heard the funniest story while at the gym? Well, now you can I'm Jameela Jamil and guests on my new podcast Wrong Turns share their most mortifying and hilarious disaster stories. I'm talking people like May Martin, Bob the Drag Queen, Katherine Ryan, Jake Johnson, Margaret Cho, Simon Pegg, Penn Badgley, and so many more. So listen wherever you get your podcast Wrong Turns where dignity goes to die
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Dr. Samantha Amien
Whales have some of the most complex cognitive abilities and social lives of any mammals on Earth. It's even been said that within a species, different clans or pods have their own unique cultures, and a crucial part of culture is language. This episode, I'm thrilled to be joined by Dr. David Gruber. He's the founder and CEO of Project SETI, a nonprofit that aims to trust translate the communication of sperm whales. I'm very excited to chat with him about what he hears when he eavesdrop below the ocean surface. Thanks so much for joining us, David.
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Dr. David Gruber
Oh, it's a pleasure to be here. Thanks, Samantha.
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Dr. Samantha Amien
I'm wondering if you can tell us why it's so important to understand how whales communicate.
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Dr. David Gruber
Whales are really interesting in one sense. Like, like for instance, when I was, when I was focusing on corals and jellyfish. They don't have eyeballs and people like the people that study them and are experts in these creatures, they love them so much and they want to protect them to such a high degree. But I've watched them try so hard to get people to fall in love with corals and jellyfish, and it's just really hard, especially because they can't really relate to them. But with a whale. When I came across Wales, like, in 2018, it was almost like the sea parted. And as someone now studying whales, they appeal to everybody. And they're so big, and we're related to them. There's 92 million years ago, we shared a common ancestor with whales. They went into the ocean. So they're like. They kind of occupy a place in the dream world of humans. And probably there's just a couple hundred or thousand humans on this planet that have, like, really intimate relationship with a whale, kind of like a dog and a cat. So many people have that, but it's very much less that actually have a relationship with a whale. And they. They just kind of like, they're just really interesting, I think, to us humans. And they've been interesting to me. And. And they have. And I'm also working on the shoulders of, like, Roger Payne, who was my mentor in the 70s and 80s. Like, showing that whales sing led to this entire environmental movement, the Save the Whales campaign. Like most people, when they think now of whales and they think of how whales vocalize, they think of humpback whales, which were the whales that were shown to sing. That's kind of like, why whales? But we're not particularly focused on the humpback whales. Project SETI is focused on. On sperm whales at the moment that we're slowly expanding to other toothed whales.
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Dr. Samantha Amien
Why did Project SETI decide to focus at the beginning on sperm whales? Is there something particularly fascinating about them or unknown that you wanted to uncover?
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Dr. David Gruber
I was doing this fellowship at the Radcliffe Institute at Harvard, and there was another fellow across the hall from me, and she's a cryptographer, Shafi Goldwasser and computer scientist at mit. And it was late one night, and I'm just sitting in my office playing sperm whale flicks, which is, you know, like. And I think she, like, walked by my office and was like, who's this weirdo, you know, sitting in an office, like, late at night with, like, whale clicks coming from it? And we sat down and I explained to her that these clicks are codas and that these are from sperm whales. And. And. But she. From a computer science perspective, she was like, they kind of are like, ones and zeros for. For cryptography. And these could work really well in, like, machine learning algorithms, and especially the tools and the technology that was being developed at the time. So she invited me to this machine learning working group where there was folks that were coming up with a theory behind Google Translate. And then I played the whale clicks again to them, and I was kind of a little shy, feeling very insecure in this room of computer scientists, being a marine biologist. And then I played the whaleflakes again, and everybody's like, those are so cool. How many do you have? Because machine learning was working good on really big data sets. And I was like, well, let me check it in National Geographic, where I'm an explorer. And it led me to Shane Garrow, who had, like, 15,000 annotated codas from Dominica, where he'd been working. And Shane really generously shared it with us, and we were soon able to get to the point where we could predict the next click, like, very accurately.
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Dr. Samantha Amien
Wow.
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Dr. David Gruber
And I think that just, like, triggered us, like, oh, my gosh. Like, the tools that we're developing for human AI, they could maybe be applied for whales. And in the 70s, there was this. There was an article in Science, Songs of the Humpback Whale. So Roger's wife, Katie Payne, she was a. She's a cellist. And the two of them combined, like, came to it with, like, a musical background, and they were able to be like, these are actually songs that Repeat, like, every 20, 30 minutes, and all the elements of, like, what a song is and that, though. But they make that song sound that is in the frequency that, like, people actually, like, want to go to bed to.
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Dr. Samantha Amien
I'm really interested in the technology used to kind of decode the codas. Can you tell us more about how you collect the sounds and then decode it without disrupting their behavior?
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Dr. David Gruber
So how do we collect the sound? So first, I kind of described, like, sitting in a room playing whale sounds in 2018 and getting a computer scientist interested. It moved really quickly from there because we wrote a paper quickly showing that some of the latest machine learning could accurately predict next clicks and codas. And it got us excited. And then in 2020, we got catalytic funding from Ted Audacious to start what's now the largest interspecies communication initiative in history. It's called Project SETI and the Cetacean Translation Initiative. So it's 50 scientists, and we're broken into, like, eight disciplines, and each one has a thematic lead. So one part of us is like, engineering, and that's led by Rob Wood at the Harvard Microbotics lab. So they're making all the listening that goes on the whales. So we've designed like, it's, it's like a stethoscope that goes on the whale that records their voice and has three microphones so you can hear, like the whales around it. But it also has a depth meter on it and it has like a gyroscope so you could see the body position of the whale. And getting it on, it goes on them. It goes on them. It's attached, oh, with suction cups that are inspired by suckerfish. And it only stays on for like a day or two days. And, you know, so we gently kind of put this on the back of the whale. And whales are like, female sperm whales are the size of a school bus and so they're 40ft and male sperm whales are 80ft. So the tags are really like the size of your hand. So they're small tags. And when they're on it, they're recording all the audio and sometimes they're recording heartbeats and they're recording body position. So that's been giving us some of our most valuable information because it's like such good quality sound. But then we have all these other ways of recording their sounds. On the back of our sailboat, we have another towed microphone array. We have these underwater autonomous gliders that also have microphones that actually are trained now with like, voice recognition. So they could tune into a specific whale's voice and be able to stay with it. And particularly around, like, mother and calf, we're interested in language acquisition. And then when we see whales, we also put drones up in the air so we have like the sound that they're making underwater and then we have video at the surface of their body language and who they're with and who they're touching. And all of this gives us, like, a lot of information and context, which we then feed to our machine learning teams of like, we call it, like, it started with the Book of Whales, like all the different whales. And Shane Garrow has been working with these specific whales in Dominica, where we're working now, we set up an underwater recording studio there. And he knows, like, there's about maybe up to around 400 whales that are usually, you know, in the Dominica range. Some of them are like, there all the time. Some of them we only see like once a year. But he knows these units, like, really intimately and knows by taking pictures of their, of their flukes, we could identify them. And so we have like, this really nice, long term Data that is now just like exponentially growing. And essentially we're creating like a chatgpt for whales and the largest non human or more than human database that could be used to try to translate their language. And language is a real trigger word
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Nikayla Matthews Akome
because
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Dr. David Gruber
if you say communication system, like it's cool, but the word language is still like a little bit of a controversial word to use for anything but a human.
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Dr. Samantha Amien
There's sort of a criteria that must be reached in order for it to constitute a full language.
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Dr. David Gruber
Yeah, there's, but there's, there's a little bit of a debate now in the linguistic community whether if you, if you make the definition that only a human could ever satisfy it, like, then humans could only have language. But some are saying, well, if you see language as more of like a continuum that even at this point now, like perhaps sperm whales have now crossed
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Dr. Samantha Amien
that, and then how are you translating? Because you can't get the confirmation that like some click sound means turn right. So how do you do the interpretation part? How does that work? Or are we not there yet?
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Dr. David Gruber
No, no, that's an excellent question. So it's like. So at first I was just like, this is just how we collect the data. We collect a lot of information. One of the first finds that came about with Project SETI was that by listening to like lots of whale conversations, and we had known that the sperm whales make these, they're series of clicks called codas. So like in dominica, there's the 113 that you hear all the time. Like if you're swimming in the water, you'll always hear like, click, click, click, click, click. And that's like, you'll know that those are Dominican Wales. But if you look at conversations, you'll start seeing that the click, click, click, click, click could actually change in, like, tempo, in rhythm, in rubato. And sometimes there could be an ornament. Like, it could be like, click, click, click, click, click, click. And they're using this, like, type of rhythm as a way. We called it the sperm, well, phonetic Alphabet. Like, they could, they're using this both combinatorially. Like humans say things like you could keep combining things forever and they're used in different contexts. So by showing. We had a paper in like, I think it was 2023 or 2024 that showed that they're using this Alphabet to communicate both contextually and combinatorially. And that was kind of like our first big finding. And then we have a linguist team which is led by Gaspar Begis, who's a linguistics professor at UC Berkeley, and he had found that in each click, if you kind of take away the spaces between of them and smush all the clicks together, and you start hearing what sounds like are vowels, like, ah, e, when you basically, normally it'd be click, click, click, click, click. But you take every bit of the middle, the space out in between those clicks and just play just where the clicks are, and you'll see these little features in the formats of them. And that was really interesting because it shows, like, another layer of complexity. Like, we already thought they were one of the most sophisticated communication systems besides humans. And then we just found another layer of complexity in their voice. And they're using these vowels in similar ways that vowels are used in human languages. We have an article that just came out called the Phonology of Sperm Whale Coda Vowels, which gets into how different human languages use it. And then how sperm whales are beginning to use this newfound feature that humans had never even known about before. When we have, like, millions of these and we feed them into a machine, could the machine start predicting behaviors? And the first behavior that we're able to predict is like diving, because we have lots of information of conversations, and then they have the tag on them so we can see the depth. So we could now go back and begin to have whale language models that can predict dive behavior.
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Dr. Samantha Amien
How do you see this type of research affecting conservation efforts moving forward?
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Dr. David Gruber
We've had such a dramatic change and shift to the world as humans just in the last 170 years. So it's like the issue of industrialization and humans having a really outsized impact on the world. Not been that long, but it started before any of us were here. And it's happening at a level and scale that is, like, really hard to wrap our head, our human heads around. And I think that's one of the parts of why this project is interesting to me, because whales have been the rulers of the ocean for, like, tens of millions of years, and they're living these complex societies, and they don't need a climate pact, and they don't need to have a convention in the UN telling them that they should, like, eat just a certain amount of squid. So it's kind of like we have, like, such a difficult task ahead of us as humans collectively. And it could be daunting and depressing. But from approaching it from, like, a place of, like, love and connection, of, like, oh, I want to know what whales say, and I want to know what they're, you know, how they're living their lives. And I think it's like, ultimately it's really hard to not want to have them living in, like a clean ocean without plastic and a ton of noise. So I think the conservation angle is really just getting everybody interested and more curious about whales and, and I think we've been, we've been successful at that in the last five years and I think that's been, that's been really super positive. Like, we've reached over. We've had over 10 billion impressions since we, since we started Project Study.
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Dr. Samantha Amien
I know that Project Study has made a goal of understanding 20 different vocalized expressions in the next five years. How close are we to that?
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Dr. David Gruber
We're, we're just, we're. We're going. We got. I think it's all possible. I, I would say that when we started this project, everyone thought we were crazy. And I think we've gotten a lot further than any anybody thought we might get. Like, we've now got an Alphabet. We've got the fact that we see and diphthongs and their voices. We actually have a translative model called Wham that you could kind of interact with and it will, it will respond as the whale would, but it, but we don't yet know what they're saying. We're now looking at other things, like, going to sleep, like, how can we predict, like, good night. We're also interested in, like, how to predict the behavior of like, when they're going to finish a dive. And we're also working at, like, can we actually translate their echoes into images that could be fed into language models? Like, because they're so much of their brain is devoted towards, like, sending out echolocation clicks and, and receiving that echo as context. So I would say that it's super doable and getting to 10 is certainly possible. Like, I feel like it's like a baby whale and we're now speaking our first word or words and we'll be able to speak like 10 words by 20, 20. 30 is, is definitely within reach.
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Dr. Samantha Amien
That's so interesting. Thank you for sharing all of the. The fascinating chatter happening beneath the ocean surface. Thanks for joining us, David. Dr. David Gruber is the founder and CEO of Project SETI. That's C E T I. You can find out more about their mission and their research@projectseti.org.
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Dr. Samantha Amien
For many of us, there's this shifting dynamic when our parents start to age and then we have to take on the task of keeping an eye on Their health. For me, that means making sure my pops takes his heart meds every single day. Taking meds every day isn't the most fun task. I get it. And it can be really hard to stick to. For patients taking pills or monthly injectables, up to 50% of them stop taking their cholesterol meds within the first year. That's why researchers are testing a new approach, A one time treatment that could solve the forgetting problem. Early results of that trial are in and I gotta tell ya, it's looking good. The key to this approach is lowering LDL that's a type of cholesterol, that's a risk factor for cardiovascular disease when it gets too high. And good old nature showed a way how to do it. See, in most people, the liver uses receptors to clear LDL from your blood. But there's this gene, PKSK9, that makes a protein that destroys those receptors. So more of that gene activity means fewer receptors and more LDL in the blood. Over time, that leads to plaque buildup and a higher risk for heart attack and stroke. But some people are born with a variation in that gene that basically stops its function, so they don't have that problem of the receptors getting destroyed. The liver can clear LDL from the bloodstream, so they tend to have lower LDL levels and up to 88% lower lifetime risk of coronary heart disease. So the question was, can they use gene editing to give more people this helpful variation? The researchers recruited 35 participants with either genetically high cholesterol or premature coronary artery disease. The participants came to the clinic to receive one intravenous infusion of the drug. The drug contained a specific set of edit the DNA of liver cells. So much less of that protein is made and the liver can clear LDL from the blood. Four weeks later, those protein levels were down between 50 to nearly 90%. And as was the hope, LDL decreased up to 62% at the highest dose. And the best part, it was stable through the follow up period. In some participants they checked as far as a year and a half later, the side effects were manageable. Mostly some infusion reactions and temporary changes in a liver enzyme that resolved within two weeks. There are already some approved medications that block this protein, but they require regular injections. The drug tested in this study reduced LDL comparably and after only one infusion. Now, admittedly, an infusion is more involved than a daily pill. It does take four hours for the infusion to happen, but the payoff might just be there. For now, my dad still needs his daily reminders, but knowing that a single treatment could change that future, it really does give me hope for Warner Bros. Discovery Curiosity Weekly is produced by the team at Wheelhouse DNA. The senior producer and editorial correspondent is Teresa Carey, our producer is Chiara Noni, our audio engineer is Nick Kharisimi and head of production for Wheelhouse DNA is Cassie berman. And I'm Dr. Samantha Yamin. Thanks for listening.
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Hey Pablo Torre here. As a sports journalist, I've covered global sports for many years now and there is one thing that I can promise you. Nothing compares to the World cup. And this time it is even better. Thanks to McDonald's, you have the chance to take home one of nine legendary cups when you order the FIFA World cup meal. The Cups feature some of the biggest legends in football like David Beckham, Terry Henry and Ronaldinho, Christian Pulisic, Lamine Yamal and Alfonso Davies. Right now, get one of nine legendary Cups when you order the FIFA World cup meal. Only at McDonald's at participating McDonald's only for a limited time while supplies last. All rights reserved. Copyright 2026 McDonald's at the FIFA World
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