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All things Kooky and Spooky in the Sooner (or Cowboy) state! Native Oklahomans and cousins, Jess and Tiff, explore all the dark history, paranormal, and true crime in their home state.
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Ep 170 Talihina's Old Hospitals
1w ago00:42:37Tap to summarizeNestled along the isolated, scenic base of Buffalo Mountain in southeast Oklahoma lies a regional landscape steeped in medical history, systemic tragedy, and spine-chilling lore. Often lumped together by urban explorers and ghost hunters as a single massive, haunted entity, the "abandoned medical complexes of Talihina" actually comprise two entirely separate facilities separated by just one mile of rural road: the Eastern Oklahoma Tuberculosis Sanatorium (EOTS) and the Talihina Indian Hospital (TIH).In this episode, Tiff untangles the intertwined histories of these neighboring institutions, exploring an era when the only known "cure" for a deadly respiratory epidemic was forced exposure to freezing mountain air. We dive into the architectural marvels designed by the creators of the Oklahoma State Capitol, the horrifying reality of experimental medical procedures performed without anesthesia, and the bizarre, "cursed" opening day food poisoning outbreak that set the tone for decades of unsettling energy.Finally, we confront the paranormal legacy that refuses to die. From the tragic ghost lore of the children’s "preventorium" at Harper Hall to firsthand accounts of a haunting graveyard worker, we examine why these heavily guarded, crumbling ruins remain some of the most culturally significant—and strictly forbidden—locations in Oklahoma.The Geography: How a single mile of rural road near the Winding Stair Mountains caused decades of historical blurring between a state-run facility for white patients and a tribal complex for Native populations.The Sanatorium Method: A look back at the 1920s and 30s medical philosophies, where patients slept year-round on massive, open-air screened porches, wrapped in heavy blankets to let the brisk mountain breeze fight the infection.A Self-Sustaining Town: How the facility grew from a 50-patient camp into a massive grid designed by legendary architects Layton, Hicks, and Forsyth, complete with its own power plant and dairy farm.The "Preventorium": The history of the historic Harper Building, built in 1930 as a state-of-the-art ward to observe children exposed to tuberculosis.Transition to the VA: The post-1975 era, its eventual abandonment, and its current endangered status on the National Register of Historic Places.Built by the People: A shared healthcare monument for the Choctaw and Chickasaw Nations, constructed out of stone from Buffalo Mountain by the WPA and Choctaw citizens.The Cursed Dedication Day: The bizarre local folklore surrounding the October 4, 1938 formal opening luncheon, where a massive outbreak of food poisoning struck down high-ranking tribal and state dignitaries alike.Exemplary Care Amid Shortages: The legacy of Dr. David H. Gillick, who single-handedly performed surgical procedures for 140 patients during extreme federal funding cuts.The Modern Transition: The Indian Self-Determination Act, the move to a modern $26 million facility in 1999, and recent EPA efforts to preserve the site.Emma’s Story: A chilling, firsthand account from a Choctaw elder who survived the hospital, detailing a terrifying interaction with a local grave-digging janitor, and the horrors of having her lung collapsed without anesthesia.The Haunted Anatomy of the Ruins: Reports of shadowy figures, disembodied coughing, phantom footsteps in long hallways, and the chilling sound of children giggling near the old nurses' quarters.Frozen in Time: The stark contrast between rooms entirely cleaned out and others looking as though they were suddenly ransacked and abandoned mid-use.Zero Tolerance: A firm reminder that the site is a registered Native American Heritage Site. With 24/7 camera monitoring, active security patrols, and immediate fines/detainment by the Choctaw Nation, this is one haunted location you can only explore through your headphones.Sources:Abandoned Oklahoma:Old Talihina Indian HospitalAbandoned Oklahoma: EOTSFacebookRedditPetticoats & PistolsThe Daily MirrorTikTok
Transcribe →Ep 169 Blizzard of January 1886
3w ago00:52:22Tap to summarizeEpisode 169: The Blizzard of January 1886The Storm That Ended the Open RangeAs we transition into the warmth of spring and summer, Ep. 169 takes a chilling look back at one of the most transformative disasters in American history. The Blizzard of January 1886 wasn't just a weather event; it was a "systemic collapse" that reshaped the Great Plains, ended the era of the cowboy "cattle barons," and forced a total reorganization of life in the Oklahoma Territory.From temperatures dropping 100 degrees in a single day to the macabre "Big Die-Up," Jess explores how a "perfect storm" of meteorology and human complacency created a generational catastrophe.A Dark Play on Words: Learn why ranchers turned the celebrated "round-up" into the "Die-Up" after discovering millions of cattle piled against fence lines in the spring thaw.The White Death: The storm’s reach from the Oklahoma Panhandle to the Canadian border, and why the stench of the aftermath covered thousands of square miles.The Drift Fence Trap: How a tool meant to control cattle became a death sentence, leading to animals "stacking up" by the thousands.The "Groundhog Effect": The indigenous survival techniques and "kooky" tactics (like holding onto a cow’s tail) that saved lives in a zero-visibility whiteout.The Driverless Stagecoach: The harrowing legend of the frozen driver at Camp Supply and the horses that knew the way home when he didn't.The Human Toll: Why victims were often found frozen just yards from their own front doors.The 100-Degree Drop: How an Arctic air mass collided with an extratropical cyclone to create a "white abyss."Complacency Killed: Why a "warm" December and a speculative cattle bubble left the West completely vulnerable to the elements.Birth of the NWS: How the failure of the Army Signal Service led to our modern civilian National Weather Service.Architectural Evolution: From "Soddies" to storm shelters—how Oklahomans learned to build into the earth to survive its fury.The End of an Era: The bankruptcies of cattle empires (including Theodore Roosevelt’s!) and the shift from the open range to modern, fenced ranching.The aftermath of the 1886–1887 winters was so financially devastating it wiped out nearly 90% of the large cattle companies in the American West. Even future President Theodore Roosevelt lost 60% of his herd, calling it a "perfect smashup" before heading back East to pursue politics.Join us as we brave the "Winter of the White Death" and discover how the resilience of early Oklahomans laid the groundwork for the safety systems we rely on today.Sources:History ChannelWikipedia - Blizz United StatesWikipedia - January 1886 BlizzardThe Salina PostThe National Weather ServiceThe Hard Winter of 1886 and 1887 by Dwan GreenInside the Episode...The "Great Die-Up"Survival & TragedyThe Meteorological "Perfect Storm"A Legacy of ChangeKOOKY FACT:
Transcribe →Ep 168 Dr. Zeo Wilkins pt 3
4w ago01:07:16Tap to summarizeEpisode 168: Diamonds, Bonds, and Jesse James: Zeo Zoe Wilkins (part 3)In the gripping conclusion to the saga of Dr. Zeo Zoe Wilkins, the "Love Pirate" finally meets a storm she cannot outrun. After a lifetime of high-stakes swindles, "shotgun weddings," and an oil-fueled fortune, Zeo’s world narrows to a run-down house on Park Avenue in Kansas City. But as her beauty fades into a haze of addiction and paranoia, a new figure emerges from the shadows of history: Jesse James Jr., the son of America’s most notorious outlaw.This episode explores the volatile collision between a professional con artist and a man desperate to escape—yet haunted by—his father's violent legacy.The Legend of Jesse James Jr.: We go behind the famous name. From witnessing his father’s murder at age six to the "Trial of the Century," Jesse Jr. spent his life trying to be a respectable man of the law. Why did a successful defense attorney and silent film star get entangled with a woman like Zeo?A Toxic Partnership: It began as a legal pursuit of Zeo's millions but descended into a "chaos storm" of romance and mutual paranoia. We detail the three factors that turned these collaborators into bitter adversaries: financial "double-crosses," Jesse’s fear for his reputation, and Zeo’s terrifying belief that he was closing in on her assets.The Final Days of Dr. Wilkins: February 1924. Zeo is living in a fortress of her own making—windows drawn, fearing her brother, her lovers, and her lawyer. We trace the final timeline: the missed appointments, the "hallucinations" of family coming to save her, and the $50 check that marked her last Saturday on earth.Crime at 3005 Main St.: A 13-year-old boy on a ladder discovers a scene that would scar Kansas City for decades. We break down the gruesome forensic evidence—the blood-soaked carpets, the struggle that left Zeo’s diamonds on her fingers but her bonds missing, and the mystery of the broken basement window.The Investigation & The Suspects: Was it the "Spurned Husband," the "Hired Gun," or the brother with a history of violence? We look at why the KCPD centered their crosshairs on Jesse James Jr. and how the scandal ultimately drove the outlaw’s son to a physical and mental collapse.The VerdictThe episode wraps with a look at the legacy of the "Love Pirate." Buried in an unmarked grave, Zeo Zoe Wilkins left behind a mystery that remains unsolved over a century later. We discuss modern theories—including the compelling case made by author Laura James—that suggest the Bandit’s Son may have finally succumbed to the violence of his namesake.Was it a robbery gone wrong, or a carefully calculated execution by a man who knew too much?How deep are you looking to go into the legal proceedings following her death, or are you more interested in the local legends surrounding her "Castle" home?Sources:TikTokFind A GraveMissouri & Ozark HistoryHistoric JoplinNew York TimesTroveThe Love Pirate and the Bandit’s Son by Laura JamesKey Highlights
Transcribe →Ep 167 Dr. Zeo Wilkins pt 2
May 101:13:48Tap to summarizeEpisode 167: Diamonds, Doctors, and Deception: The Many (more) Lives of Zeo Zoe Wilkins (part 2)"I was a doctor, not a Mrs." — Zeo’s infamous retort when questioned about her trail of marriages.In the early 20th century, a woman’s reputation was her currency—but for Dr. Zeo Zoe Wilkins, scandal was her business model. This week, Tiff dives back into the sensational, stranger-than-fiction life of a woman who treated the Midwest’s wealthy elite like a personal checking account and earned the chilling moniker, "The Vampire of Kansas City."We begin in Colorado, where Zeo and her brother Arthur allegedly used a shotgun wedding and a fabricated pregnancy to swindle millionaire banker Thomas Cunningham. Within 24 hours of their second marriage, Zeo had signed over his empire, sold his bank for millions in today’s currency, and sent the rival banker into a guilt-ridden spiral that ended in tragedy.But the "Love Prisoner" Cunningham was just the tip of the iceberg. The fallout triggered a "chaos storm" in the media, pitting Zeo against Tabitha Taylor, a scorned common-law wife who claimed she was worth double what Zeo had stolen. As the press fueled a public obsession with the "Siren vs. the Wife," Zeo’s past began to catch up with her—uncovering "buried" husbands, bigamy, and a mysterious "poison recipe" that left investigators wondering if her medical degree was a license to kill.This episode explores:The Marksheffel Years: Zeo’s marriage to a controversial car mogul, their high-speed life in Colorado Springs, and the fleet of Cadillacs that couldn't outrun her boredom.The Great Divorce Wars: How Zeo navigated triple-lawsuits, federal court battles, and the "Mary Pickford effect" that changed Nevada divorce laws forever.The Downward Spiral: A dark turn into bootlegging, drug addiction (cocaine, opium, and morphine), and a series of dramatic suicide attempts that even her husband didn't believe.The Park Avenue "Clinic": Zeo’s final chapter in a Kansas City home that served as a medical office by day and a "trysting place" for a love octagon of boarders, grocers, and underworld figures by night.As the episode closes, the walls close in. With her looks fading and her fortune spent, Zeo finds herself trapped in a violent standoff with her own brothers. Bruised, terrified, and claiming her family is out for blood, Zeo makes a desperate call to a lawyer with a legendary name: Jesse James Jr.Was Zeo Zoe Wilkins a cold-blooded predator, or a woman driven to madness by her own ambitions? Join us as we unpack the grit, the glamour, and the gore of one of history's most fascinating con-artists.Sources:TikTokFind A GraveMissouri & Ozark HistoryHistoric JoplinNew York TimesTroveThe Love Pirate and the Bandit’s Son by Laura James
Transcribe →Ep 166 Dr. Zeo Wilkins pt 1
Apr 2400:57:26Tap to summarizeThe Love Pirate’s Ledger: Dr. Zeo Zoe Wilkins (Part 1)In the "Oil Capital of the World," wealth flowed as freely as the crude, but few prospectors were as efficient as Dr. Zeo Zoe Wilkins. Known to history as the "Black Widow of Tulsa" and the "Love Pirate," Zeo wasn’t just a socialite—she was a highly educated Doctor of Osteopathy who used the stethoscope and the wedding ring as tools of the trade.In Part 1, Tiff traces Zeo’s journey from a hungry childhood in the Midwest to the lecture halls of medical school, where she discovered that her greatest talent wasn't just healing the body, but emptying the pockets of those who owned it. From forging her way into college to a trail of "mysterious" deaths and secret marriages, we explore how a high school dropout became the most feared and fascinating woman in Oklahoma.This episode features heavy use of Zeo’s personal diaries, providing a chilling, first-person perspective into the mind of a woman who decided that being "bad" was much more profitable than being "good."Sources:TikTokFind A GraveMissouri & Ozark HistoryHistoric JoplinNew York TimesTroveThe Love Pirate and the Bandit’s Son by Laura James
Transcribe →Ep 165 Suitcase of Death!
Apr 1700:41:22Tap to summarizeEp 165: Suitcase of Death!"Straight shooters always win, lawbreakers always lose."— The Tom Mix Club MottoImagine surviving hundreds of death-defying movie stunts, jumping canyons on horseback, and becoming the highest-paid star in Hollywood, only to be taken out by your own luggage. This week, Jess dives into the legendary life and bizarrely tragic death of the world’s first true "Silver Screen Cowboy"—Tom Mix.From his humble beginnings as a bartender in Guthrie, OK, to earning a staggering $17,000 a week (that’s over $328,000 today!) as the king of silent Westerns, Mix redefined the genre. He was the man in the signature white ten-gallon Stetson, a real-life rodeo star who insisted on doing his own stunts and living by a "straight shooter" code of ethics.But as the era of "talkies" moved in and his fortune began to fade, a fateful drive in a custom yellow 1937 Cord would lead to a freak accident that cemented his name in the annals of the strange and spooky.Inside the Episode...The First Cowboy Hero: How Tom Mix paved the way for legends like John Wayne and Roy Rogers with his flamboyant suits and his "Wonder Horse," Tony.The Oklahoma Connection: Exploring his deep roots in the Oklahoma Territory, from the 101 Ranch to his time as a night marshal in Dewey.The Fatal Detour: The details of the 1940 car crash near Florence, Arizona. Was it the impact that killed him, or was it the aluminum missile in the back seat?The "Suitcase of Death": We discuss the heavy Halliburton suitcase that struck Mix in the back of the head—an object that now sits in a museum, still bearing the dent from the fatal blow.Spooky Time: Paranormal reports from the Tom Mix Museum in Dewey, OK. We explore stories of:The "attached energy" felt by visitors near the suitcase.Phantom hoofbeats of Tony the Wonder Horse.The ghostly figure in a ten-gallon hat seen standing by the Arizona highway at twilight.If you want to see the "Suitcase of Death" for yourself, head to the Tom Mix Museum in Dewey, Oklahoma. Admission is free, but watch your back—museum staff have been known to hear disembodied footsteps and see orbs on the security cameras.Location: 721 N Delaware St, Dewey, OK 74029Hours: Tuesday – Saturday, 10:30 AM to 4:30 PMDid the suitcase have a "destiny" to fulfill, or was it just the ultimate freak accident? Grab your Stetson and join us for this wild ride through history!Sources:TravalancheThe Fence PostTrue West MagazineOHS - Tom Mix MuseumStetson.comOHS - Tom Mix Weird Oklahoma by Wesley Treat
Transcribe →Ep 164 Circus City USA
Apr 1000:28:49Tap to summarizeEpisode 164: Circus City USAWhen you think of Oklahoma, images of sprawling prairies, college football rivalries, and "The Oklahoma Standard" likely come to mind. But tucked away in the southeastern corner of the state lies a town with a colorful, gravity-defying secret. Welcome to Hugo, Oklahoma—better known to the world as Circus City, USA.In this episode, we trade the gridiron for the big top as we explore how a small town in "Little Dixie" became the premier winter sanctuary for over 20 different circus troupes. Since the 1940s, Hugo hasn’t just been a place where the show stops; it’s where the performers, the ringmasters, and the elephants call home.In This Episode, We Discuss:The Grocery Store Visionary: How a local businessman named Vernon Pratt hand-delivered a proposal to circus owners, convincing them that Hugo’s mild climate and railroad access were the perfect perks for their weary traveling shows.A City with Deep Roots: We look back at Hugo’s origins—from its naming after French novelist Victor Hugo to its complex history as part of the Choctaw Nation and the proposed State of Sequoyah.Showmen’s Rest: A tour through the world-famous Mount Olivet Cemetery, where the monuments aren’t just headstones—they are granite circus tents and life-sized elephants. We explore the final resting place of legendary performers and the nearby "Bull Rider’s Reprieve," home to rodeo icons like Lane Frost.The Endangered Ark: Discover the Endangered Ark Foundation, a non-profit retirement home and conservation center managing the second-largest herd of Asian elephants in the United States.The Legacy Today: From trailers in driveways labeled "The World’s Largest" to the memorabilia-filled booths of the Circus City Diner, we see how Hugo continues to embrace its identity as a haven for the traveling show.Whether you're a history buff, a circus enthusiast, or just curious about the hidden gems of the Sooner State, this episode reveals why Hugo is truly the most unique "winter home" in America.Sources:WikipediaOklahoma State UniversityAtlas ObscuraDestguidesEndangered Ark Foundation
Transcribe →Ep 163 The Kelly Clan
Apr 300:37:31Tap to summarizeEpisode 163: The Kelly Clan – Oklahoma’s "Bloody Benders"?Think the "Bloody Benders" of Kansas were the only family of frontier serial killers? Think again. In this episode, Jess takes Tiff on a dark journey into the lawless "No Man’s Land" of the Oklahoma Panhandle to uncover the legend of The Kelly Clan.In the late 1880s, the Kelly family—William, Kate, Bill, and Kit—allegedly operated a deadly tavern near Oak City, where travelers stopped for a meal but often left in a cellar. With a mechanical trapdoor, a blood-stained axe, and 11 suspected victims, the Kellys’ story reads like a mirror image of the notorious Benders. But here’s the twist: while the Benders famously vanished into thin air, the Kellys met a much more violent end at the hands of a 20-man vigilante posse.In this episode, we discuss:The Trapdoor Tavern: How the Kellys used "bait" and a spring-loaded floor to rob and murder wealthy travelers.The Discovery: The "foul stench" that led investigators to a gruesome find of 11 bodies, including a Chicago salesman and a Texas merchant.Vigilante Justice: The high-speed chase into the Texas Panhandle that ended in a confession, a broken neck, and a triple hanging.The Jurisdiction Vacuum: Why nobody was ever charged for the execution of the Kelly family in the Wild West's most lawless strip of land.Fact or Frontier Fiction?: We break down the "Copycat Conspiracy." Are the Kellys and the Benders the same people? Or was the entire Kelly Clan a 19th-century newspaper hoax designed to give the public the "closure" they never got with the Benders?Whether they were real-life monsters or a sensationalized tall tale, the story of the Kelly Clan is a "kooky" and curious piece of Oklahoma lore you won’t want to miss.Sources:MurderByGaslightMirror WikipediaLOC.gov
Transcribe →Ep 162 Skirvin Hotel
Mar 2700:34:09Tap to summarizeEpisode 162: The Skirvin Hotel – The Grande Dame’s Double Life"I don't think it's haunted. I think NBA players are just a bunch of sissies." — Petra Germany, Skirvin Artist-in-ResidenceIn this episode, we step inside the revolving doors of Oklahoma City’s most storied landmark: The Skirvin Hilton. From its 1911 debut as the "Waldorf of the Heartland" to its dark years as a boarded-up ruin, the Skirvin has mirrored the boom-and-bust soul of Oklahoma itself.We trace the vision of oil tycoon W.B. Skirvin, a man who didn't let Prohibition dampen the party, installing a statue of Bacchus in the lobby and allegedly running a high-stakes speakeasy on the 10th floor. We also highlight the hotel's pivotal role in the Civil Rights movement, marking the moment in 1958 when activist Clara Luper led the charge to make the Skirvin the first fully integrated major hotel in the city.But luxury and legacy aren't the only things checking in. We dive deep into the "Spooks" that have made the Skirvin a legendary adversary for the NBA. Is there any truth to the tragic tale of Effie, the ghost of a desperate maid, or is she a folk legend born from the hotel's colorful past?In this episode, we discuss:The Architecture of Ambition: How Gothic Revival style and $100,000 Austrian chandeliers defined Oklahoma luxury.Prohibition & Perle Mesta: Secret tunnels, "The Hostess with the Mostess," and a 99% perfect restaurant score.The NBA vs. The 10th Floor: Why stars like Kyrie Irving, Lou Williams, and Metta World Peace are terrified of this hotel (and why the resident artist thinks they're "sissies").Fact vs. Folklore: Uncovering the real-life tragedies of the Skirvin, from the 1903 murder of the real Effie to the mysterious death of manager Frederick Scherubel.Sources:Haunted Oklahoma by Jeff ProvineBBCAbandoned Oklahoma
Transcribe →Ep 161 Jim Thorpe pt 2
Mar 2001:04:15Tap to summarizeEpisode 161: Jim Thorpe Pt. 2 – The Bright Path Beyond the GoldIn the conclusion of our two-part series, we follow Jim Thorpe as he hangs up his cleats and heads west to the silver screen. While the world remembers him as the "greatest athlete in the world," this episode explores the gritty, complex, and often heartbreaking chapters of his life that followed his Olympic and professional sports career.From the glitz of Hollywood to the halls of Washington D.C., and finally to a controversial resting place in a town he never visited, we trace the "Bright Path" of a man who spent his final decades fighting for the dignity of his people.Hollywood & Activism: Discover Jim’s prolific film career, appearing in over 70 movies. We dive into his role as a pioneer for authentic Indigenous representation, his fight against "Redface," and his work founding the Indian Center in Los Angeles.The Lobbyist: Hear how Thorpe used his fame and speaking fees to lobby the federal government for Sac and Fox land rights, earning the title Akapamata (Caregiver).Personal Triumphs and Tragedies: A deep look at Jim’s three marriages, his eight children—including the activist legacy of his daughter Grace—and his lifelong battle with alcoholism and poverty during the Great Depression.A "Stolen" Legacy: The shocking story of Jim’s 1953 funeral, where his third wife, Patricia, interrupted traditional Sac and Fox rites to "shop" his remains to a Pennsylvania coal town in search of a monument Oklahoma refused to build.Justice Delayed: The 110-year journey to restore Jim as the sole gold medalist of the 1912 Olympics, finally achieved in 2022.The Path Forward: We highlight the modern-day efforts of his descendants and the Sac and Fox Nation to bring his "bones" home, alongside upcoming film projects produced by LeBron James and Angelina Jolie."His mother named him Wa-Tho-Huk, meaning 'Bright Path.' Though that path was often shadowed by tragedy and systemic racism, it remains a beacon for Indigenous athletes and activists today."70+: The number of films Thorpe appeared in between 1931 and 1950.110 Years: The time it took for the IOC to officially reinstate him as the sole gold medalist (1912–2022).1982: The year the "30-day rule" was discovered, proving his disqualification was illegal.$2,000: The annual scholarship amount currently offered by the Jim Thorpe Memorial Foundation to Native youth.Sources:Olympics - Jim ThorpeOklahoma Historical SocietyUnited States Olympic and Paralympics MuseumCBS NewsPro Football Hall of FamePath Lit By Lightning by David Maraniss
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