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This week we've learned all about makeup and the power that it has to transform people. Today we are doing this shoot for Got Milk. What? There are a lot of moments from America's Next Top Model that haven't aged well. We've been revisiting them all season, but for a lot of people there's one that towers above the rest. Now there's a twist. We are actually going to switch your ethnicities. Even die hard ANTM apologists can't deny the cringiness of this photo shoot. Christina, you're gonna be an East Indian. Tiffany, you're gonna be Native American. Of course. I'm talking about the race swapping photo shoot. Believe it or not, A and T M actually did a version of this photo shoot twice. The first time was on Cycle four. They assigned each of the contestants to portray a race that was not their own. Britney Brower, a white girl from Tallahassee, was straight up put in blackface. Britney, an African American woman. Kenya, Korean. Michelle, an Eskimo woman. Yikes. Naima's gonna be an Icelandic Scandinavian. Tatiana, a biracial woman. Wow. Yuvi, Swedish milkmaid. Wow. Becca, really dark tanned, Italian Sicilian woman. And Noelle, we're making you into a traditionally African woman with a head wrap and everything. Wow. Everybody else got a country or ethnicity. Noelle had to represent a whole continent. They didn't just change their skin color. The models got a makeover complete with costumes and wigs. It was as stereotypical as you can imagine. They gave Tiffany, a black woman, a long black wig with two braids on the side because she was portraying a Native American woman. Christina, a white model, got a straight wig with a dupatta or headscarf because she was supposed to be East Indian. Brittany, the one who was in blackface, wore a huge Afro wig because she was portraying an African American woman. Here's Britney when she finally saw her completed look in the mirror. A black girl with a nose job. Come on. You're rejection. People refer to this as the blackface photoshoot for the two models who were supposed to be black. The makeup artists actually painted their entire faces with dark brown makeup. But it didn't end there. There's something for everyone to be offended by in this photo shoot. Kenya, who's black, was supposed to be Korean for the shoot, so she was given lighter skin. Naima, who's multiracial, was portraying an Icelandic woman, so they gave her makeup to make her pale, as if there are no multiracial people in Iceland. This is shocking to us today, but if you watched it play out live, I want you to think back to how it made you feel in 2005, if you were truly offended or if your outrage is revisionist history. Several of the models who competed on that season say at the time they didn't see anything wrong with the race swapping. Here's Tiffany and Kenya talking about it in an interview with Nightline. I didn't think too much in it at the time. I thought it was cool. It was fun. Do you feel like the people watching it now, they have a much different reaction than the folks who are watching it? At the time. Do you chalk some of it up to the popularity of the show, the things that they were able to get away with on television, to. To the fact that we were just living in a different time then? Yeah, I do. Yeah. Just living in a different time. Maybe they didn't think too much of it back then, but these days they've had to think about it a lot. I really wanted to talk to Brittany Brower, the white girl who was put in blackface. Here's what she remembers from that photo shoot. They wanted to give us all different ethnicities and give me blackface and make me an African American woman. And that clearly did not age very well. But I'll be very, very honest, at the time, none of us thought anything of it. I hope that doesn't sound wrong. It was just fun. You know, you gotta think the host of our show is tyra Banks, and Mr. And Mrs. J are right there as well. It never crossed my brain at all. If Tyra's want me to do something that it would ever, ever end up being like, you know, anything offensive, then she must not know about Tyra Banks. To this day, if you Google Britney's name, that image pops up. Did it work out for the long run? I have felt more than uncomfortable with it. Obviously, I don't mean offending anybody like 20 years later of something I did when I was 22 years old and I'm 42 years old now, you know, but there was one contestant I talked to who said at the time, the whole thing felt off to her. And that was UV Gomez. I knew it was. Was wrong. Like, I absolutely knew it was wrong. And I was trying to talk the girls into all of us saying we didn't want to do it. But, like, Britney, most of them thought Tyra knew best. They didn't want to say not to do it. So they're like, well, if Tyra wrote off on it, then it's fine. I'm like, okie doke. I knew the fallout was gonna happen, you know, and it sure did 20 years later. Still, people are talking about it. People are talking about it now. But when it aired, there wasn't a lot of concern. In fact, Brittany told me after she was eliminated, she did an interview tour, and the blackface photoshoot never came up. I had interviews all day long with every kind of radio show, talk show, television show. The day after my elimination, I never got one question about it. Not one, not one. I mean, that's just how it was then. Nothing, nothing was ever said about it back then. I'm not defending it. I'm just telling you nobody ever said anything. Blackface is a specific practice that has racist origins. It's based on ugly stereotypes. It was created to mock and degrade black people. I know anything even reminiscent of blackface feels offensive. And I'm not trying to defend this incredibly insensitive photo shoot, but I don't think it was ANTM's goal to mock and degrade black people. For me, the worst part of this photo shoot wasn't the wigs or even the makeup. It was when J. Manuel said, the challenge here really is taking on the Persona of that other ethnicity while in the photograph. And owning wasn't just about how they looked. Mr. J wanted them to act their racial parts, whatever that means. And I think that desire for contestants to embody a racial stereotype didn't just happen in the race swapping challenge. It played out on every season of the show. Wanna be on top? Wanna be on top? Welcome to the Curse of America's Next Top Model. I'm Bridget Armstrong. No matter what ANTM intended, the race swapping photo shoot was based on stereotypes and narrow ideas about race. They had the nerve to do a version of this again years later. But those were just two photo shoots. From season one all the way to the end. America's Next Top Model always prioritized racial and ethnic diversity. They depicted beauty across racial lines. But the way contestants were cast and edited often played into racial stereotypes. The early 2000s was a different time when it came to race and representation. That's why I can give ANTM's race swapping challenge some grace. But even for the times, ANTM's use of racial tropes stands out. And they continued until the show ended in 2018. Which is hard to reconcile with the fact that ANTM was created by a black woman and an Asian man. Tyra Banks and Ken Mock, plus the head casting director was a black woman and the Jays were queer men of color. So how did ANTM's episodes end up looking so racist? Maybe it's because racial stereotypes are low hanging fruit, or maybe it's because they're a tried and true moneymaker. So on this episode, we're going to talk about identity on antm. We'll explore the stereotypes and tropes we saw across seasons and talk about the models who say they were harmed by their edit once they left the house. If there's anything about antm, Tyra Banks is most proud of today, it's the show's diversity. She Talks about it all the time. She even brought it up in 2025 when she was accepting an award from Essence. Over 20 years ago, I created a television show called America's Next Top Model. And I fought, and you guys have no idea how hard we fought to bring the diversity to that television show at a time where it didn't exist, to show different beauties at a time when the world was like, what you casting that? And what. And what is that? That might be the narrative she's trying to push, but, you know, they were just trying to create a great show. That's Perez Hilton. You heard him on the second episode. He was a gossip blogger in the early 2000s and a guest judge on ANTM. Top Model really was a pioneer in terms of diversity. I do give her credit for that. Diversity in color, in socioeconomic background, in trans representation, queer representation. But while that was a factor, that wasn't an important one. Perez doesn't think Tyra was a champion of diversity like she said she was, or that ANTM had this diverse cast because she wanted to change the world. He thinks they prioritize diversity because it makes great tv. At first, when Perez said this in our interview, I didn't agree with him. I thought he was a white guy who just didn't get it. But now, after six months of reporting, I gotta admit, Perez might be onto something. I do believe Tyra when she said she created ANTM to challenge traditional notions around beauty. I think she wanted the audience to see that women of all shapes and colors are beautiful. But I also think it was more than that. Bringing together strangers from completely different backgrounds and walks of life, throwing them into a house and seeing what happens is a proven formula. The reality show, the Real World pretty much invented and perfected it in the 90s. ANTM just took that model and well, applied it to models because it works. Remember the drama on Cycle one between Christian Robin and atheist Elise? How many times did we see ANTM put small town sheltered contestants in a house with loose big city girls? Or rich contestants with contestants who grew up in trailer parks? Or girls from the hood clashing with girls from the suburbs? I'm convinced A ANDM did the British Invasion season just to see the cultural clash between the UK and American models. Last episode, we talked about the way ANTM created characters and why it resonates with audiences. Characters in reality TV help us put the cast into categories and that in turn helps us understand the story better. It works best when the characters align with tropes. We already know most of us have an idea of the girl next door or the quiet wallflower or the pageant queen. Those are common tropes we see on television. Picking up on a contestant's personality and then casting and editing them to align with a character trope isn't wrong. The problem is, audiences are also looking for characters that align with preconceived racial biases and tropes. Bethany Butler is a freelance journalist who writes about race in reality tv. There's an understanding from the very beginning of reality TV that, like, you need to have these archetypes and these characters, and oftentimes the stereotypes, the biases we have in our country, in many ways, it's such a microcosm of how we are in real life. And ANTM was more than happy to give the audience what they were expecting. For all of its diversity. There were less than 25 Asian contestants in ANTM history. But the few Asian American models who were on the show faced microaggressions and storylines and edits that were based on racial stereotypes. They were fetishized, like shina Sekai from cycle 11. The edit made it seem like all she wanted to talk about was sex. She was a go go dancer, something the show focused on a lot. But she was also a stuntwoman, and we never heard about that on the show. Aside from that, Asian models were typecast and edited as model minorities or perpetual foreigners. Gina Cho from Cycle six is Korean American. On the semifinals audition episode, her ethnicity was the main focus of her conversation with the judges. So why do you want to be America's Next Top Model? I think that there's just not enough Asian models out there. I feel that I can break down that barrier, and I think it's my responsibility. You say that you're. You're not the girl next door. You're wild. What do you mean by that? If you're gonna ask me to get down, strip naked, I will do it. That's just how I am. Well, but the thing is, my parents kind of have a thing with that. So, I mean, I don't know if I would go against my parents or not. I'm not sure. I mean, I kind of believe more in the American culture more than my parents. Oh. I'm not into Asian guys. Why not? The thing is, they're a lot shorter than I am, which is something that I can't tolerate. You've come so full circle from your initial statement, but do you understand how you were a contradiction? First you were saying, I'm Asian, I'm strong, I'M Korean. And then you're saying, screw Korean boys and I want a white boy. I don't know what exactly happened, but I got confused and I started contradicting myself. Gina's right when she said there aren't a lot of Asian models. But her personal feelings about identity and dating have nothing to do with that fact. But Gina's comments about her race are exactly what captured the judge's attention. Gina was ultimately chosen to go into the house, and I think that's because they wanted to explore an Asian identity crisis storyline. Her questions about her identity and lack of confidence were central to her edit. There was a press conference challenge later that episode where Janis asked Gina about her identity again. Gina, how does being an Asian woman factor into your determination to win this competition? I guess I don't know. I just. I don't know. I don't know how to answer that question. So, Gina, when you met us during casting week, that was the first thing you mentioned. So why do you want to be America's next top Model? There's just not enough Asian models out there. Why in a room with all these reporters? Why would you not take this opportunity to put it in the forefront? I'm just. I'm 21 years old and I don't know who I really am yet. I'm kind of like struggling. I'm like having an identity crisis here. Gina's parents immigrated from Korea. A lot of first generation Americans have talked about the push and pull between their parents culture and their American upbringing. It's a lot to navigate, especially on a reality show that keeps bringing it up. My issue is that ANTM cast so few Asian American models, and when they finally did, they chose a girl who was clearly struggling with her identity. Then they made that struggle her storyline, which reinforces stereotypes and distracts from the whole purpose of her being on the show, which was supposed to be modeling. But Gina didn't even get it. The worst. April Wildner was a contestant on Cycle two. April is biracial, Japanese, and white. One of the first photo shoots of the season was a take on the Garden of Eden. Each model was supposed to portray a different Eve. They wore body paint, headdresses, and little else. They painted one model purple and gave her a crown and wings like a cherub. Another model, they painted all silver and gave her a chainmail head covering like a sexy medieval Eve. It's hard to understand what they were going for there, but with April, they were very clear. April was supposed to be Asian Eve, and despite being Half Japanese, they painted a giant Chinese dragon on her and adorned her head with little lanterns. Another Chinese symbol, April, or Asian Eve, was gorgeous. Her body is fantastic. Her face is fantastic. My goodness me. That's exactly what I'm looking for. Ugh. Sometimes Nigel just gives me the creeps. Apryl did very well in the competition. She was constantly praised by the judges for hitting the mark during her photo shoots. And Apryl took the judge's advice seriously. But she was also consistently criticized for lacking personality. They said she was too analytical, too mechanical, and too perfect. There was absolutely no personality. And it didn't make me like you and say, oh, I want to be like April. It's April. We're not sure if you want this because you want to be a top model and you want to be in this fashion industry, or is it that you just want to win for the sake of winning. April, I still feel like you're very analytical, but I want to see the sensitive and beautiful side of you too. But the problem for me with April is that, you know, she's clinical. She's like a technician. I want to see some more sex appeal. I would love to see a more romantic side of her. Apryl, this is the strongest picture of the bunch. But when you talk and how you're moving your hands so like this, it's not a likable, warm person. And can you believe after all that, they kept going. April, you are so technical. But if you want a model, just relax and exhale. You look like you need to go to the emergency room. Needed more soul. It was almost too clinical. America's Next top model was a competition reality show. Every contestant was trying to be perfect. Everyone was analyzing the challenges and the feedback from the judges. But with Apryl, they made that her storyline. Apryl was so good at the competition. The judges said she was too perfect. To them, the fact that she was good at everything made her unrelatable, and that plays into model minority tropes. Apryl made it to the top four in her season when she was eliminated. Here's what Tyra said. April, in your pictures, we feel like you pose better than all the girls here. But modeling isn't about being mechanical. It's about emotionally connecting with the camera. Mercedes, congratulations. When her name wasn't called, April broke down crying. I think they eliminated her just to get that emotional reaction. Tyra said she wanted ANTM to show the audience that women from different ethnic backgrounds can be top models. But the editing and typecasting of April reinforced the opposite. There's an ugly belief about East Asian people that while they may be smart and high achieving, they lack creativity and charisma. April's storyline told the audience that an Asian model can be beautiful and even better than her competitors, but there will always be something inherently missing which just isn't true. Jaslene Gonzalez, who you heard from a few episodes ago, is Puerto Rican. She grew up in Chicago. On Cycle eight, Jaslene was framed as a cha cha diva, a moniker she still proudly uses to this day. Here's Jaslene recalling her ANTM audition. I said my name, my height and where I'm from, like the most cha cha diva ever. It's one thing to showcase a contestant's love for their culture, it's another thing to make them a caricature. When Jaslene originally auditioned on Cycle seven, she came in the room already turned up. She had a big personality. She was salsa dancing. ANTM played salsa music during her scene. But when she came back from Cycle eight, her entrance was a lot more muted. Jaslene was still proudly Latina, but she wasn't embodying the spicy Latina character ANTM wanted her to be. There was a photoshoot where J. Manuel basically said that I need you to bring me that Latina fire. I don't know if Jaslene felt pressured to fit a certain character or if the producers told her to really lean into her Puerto Rican heritage, but when I talked to her, she certainly didn't seem like a spicy Latina. She's actually really soft spoken. That's the thing about tropes. Real people don't neatly fit into a stereotype. Jaslene is often called the first and only Latina winner of America's Next Top Model, but she's not Ioana House. The winner of Cycle two is half Mexican, and I don't think it's something she's trying to hide. She mentioned her mother's heritage in her interview with me, unprompted. But unlike Jaslene, Yoana's edit didn't revolve around being Latina. It was barely mentioned on the show, and I think it's because Yoana doesn't fit the stereotypical image of a Latina woman. She has pale skin and green eyes, but that gets into the difference between race and ethnicity, which is a nuance ANTM couldn't handle. That dynamic is something we saw play out with other contestants whose heritage wasn't mentioned because they didn't look the part. Yuvi Gomez, who is Mexican American, told me producers definitely wanted her to fit into a racial stereotype. They wanted me to be like a crazy Latina girl, you know, the ex gang member. They wanted drama on cycle four. UV's initial storyline revolved around her being a reformed gangbanger turned model. UV told me when she was in middle school, she was kind of a latchkey kid. Her mom worked a lot, so she didn't have the most supervision. UV says she got into trouble, skipped school, and got into fights. I did hang out with people that did hood rat things, and I was the hood rat doing it with my friends. But when UV started to get suspended from school, her mom pulled her out and put her in a new school and UV made new friends. By the time she got to high school, things had turned around for her. UV says she shared all of this with the A and T M producers, but she also told me she never said she was in a gang, despite Tyra asking her about it during her audition. When I was a kid, I went through basically every stage that you could think of, uv on your application it says, used to be in a gang. UV told the casting producers that her friends used to be in a gang. So when Tyra asked her this in the audition, she froze up. The camera cuts away from UV's face while you hear her reply, which you can tell clearly sounds edited. Oh, goodness me. Being in a gang and doing all that stuff, I think it's the worst, like, stage of my life. I was just an angry kid. It's sad. Like, I hate talking about it. It gets me kind of all loopy, but I just had a lot of, like, resentment against a lot of people. Here's UV today. I don't know how they edited it because I didn't say I was in a gang, but I said I hung out with people that were in a gang. I did have cousins in gangs and uncles. UV was 21 when she went on the show. The troubled past the producers tried to make into her storyline would have happened when she was 12 or 13. And UV said that wasn't the only time they tried to make her into a stereotype. When I filled out my application, they asked you, where's the last three places you've lived, last three jobs you've had, and your three favorite food? So I had lived in San Francisco, Newport and Modesto. They chose Modesto. I worked as a model, a janitor, and for Abercrombie and Fitch. And what did they choose? Janitor. And then my favorite food was sushi. Might have said Italian or pizza. And then taco Bell. They picked Taco Bell. So I was the ex gang member turn nice girl. That Liv Dim Modesto was a janitor and ate Taco Bell. Sounds hella racist if you ask me. It could have easily said sushi, Newport and model, but that's not what they wanted. What they wanted was for UV to be a stereotype and to act like a stereotype. But on set, she refused to act like that gang banging, Taco Bell eating Mexican janitor. So producers decided she had to go. By episode four, they'd given UV a new storyline. The girl who can't take a decent picture. Tyra humiliated her at a judging panel over one photo in particular. And one of you has only taken one good photo tonight about your Pisces picture. I even said that it's the worst photo in the history of America's Next top Model. Can you imagine Tyra Banks herself telling you that you have the worst photo in ANTM history? Here's UV So dramatic too. Worst picture in America's next time on our history. It was like there had only been four seasons. Let's calm down now. Here's the thing about that photo. UV Told me she felt set up. The photoshoot was supposed to be an interpretation of the zodiac signs. UV Represented Pisces, so they made her a fish. They literally glued huge shiny sequins to her face and suspended her in a harness. But how can you serve face if it's completely covered in sequins? UV Was in the bottom after that photoshoot, but she didn't get sent home. That came later at the photoshoot that got her eliminated. The models had to pose while being blown with wind and pelted with water that was supposed to look like rain. Despite having to work against the elements, someone behind the scenes told UV they'd seen some great photos of her. So UV Was surprised to see an awful photo of her at the judging panel. Here's what one of the judges, Nolay Marin, said about her photo. She just looks like a wet chihuahua on an espresso. She got sent home. UV Thinks top models started the narrative that she couldn't take a photo because once they realized she wasn't going to be a Mexican gangbanger, they didn't know what to do with her. Ironically, that gang banger stereotype they pushed so hard didn't follow her after the show. But the model with the worst picture title did. I signed with a celebrity agent after the show and he laughed because he's like, man, they painted you like you didn't know how to take a picture. I'm looking at your portfolio. He's like, but people are going to remember that from the show, so you're going to have to work a little bit harder to show them you know how to take a good picture or you know how to pose. UV told me when she saw her edit after the show, she knew ANTM's commitment to diversity wasn't what it seemed they were like, no, look at us. We're so diverse. We have plus people, models, we have all different ethnicities. But then we're gonna paint you as your stereotype. After the break, we're going to talk about one of the most pervasive racial stereotypes on antm. I'm talking about the angry black woman. And what better place to start than right here. I was rooting for you. We were all rooting for you. How dare you. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down. Unlock elite gaming tech@lenovo.com Dominate every match with next level speed, seamless streaming and performance that won't quit. Push your gameplay beyond performance with Intel Core Ultra processors for the next era of gaming. Upgrade to smooth high quality streaming with Intel Wi Fi 6e and maximize game performance with enhanced over overclocking. Win the Tech Search power up@lenovo.com straight arrow news find facts and context you've been craving. Quickly find trusted information you need to understand the news. Watch what you want when you want. Catch up on the news at home or on the go with your own news queue. 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Looking all sad claw, Tiffany had just been eliminated from the competition. It was a double elimination. Oh girl, you gotta stop. Unlike the other contestant who'd just been sent home, Tiffany didn't seem all that emotional. When she went over to say goodbye to the other girls who were clearly upset about her leaving, Tiffany tried to cheer them up. She told them to stop crying. She even chuckled. It was that attitude Tyra took issue with. Tiffany, I'm extremely disappointed in you. This is a joke to you. You've been through anger management. You've been through your grandmother get her lights turned off to buy you a swimsuit for this competition. And you go over there and you joke and you laugh. This is serious to these girls and this should be serious to you. Looks can be deceiving. I'm hurt, I am, but I can't change it. Tiffany tried to explain to Tyra that she was disappointed about going home. Then she seemed to allude to feeling defeated. But Tyra wasn't having it. She cut her off. You can't change what? I'm sick of crying about stuff that I cannot change. I'm sick of being disappointed. I'm sick of all of it. I'm not thankful if you're sick of being disappointed. Yeah, Tiffany, obviously I am. No, you're not. If you were sick of being disappointed, you would stand up and you would take control of your destiny. Do you know that you had a possibility to win? Do you know that all of America is rooting for you in this moment? It seemed like Tiffany had given up. It seemed like everyone, including Tyra, was wanted her to win. America's Next Top Model more than she did on the show. We saw Tiffany's enthusiasm for the competition wane, and it was framed as indifference. But according to some of the models who were on that season with her, there was a lot going on beneath the surface. Here's Brittany Brower. Tiffany and I were actually really close. Most people don't know because they don't show us together a lot on the show. I loved Tiffany, and Tiffany was struggling not even with the modeling stuff. She missed her child, her son. You can't call it, make phone calls, and it just started getting to her. Tiffany got criticized for being ghetto even by the other contestants. Everybody always talking about the ghetto, like, that's something mad. Like there are intelligent people in the ghetto. My mom's intelligent. My grandma's very intelligent. Trying to be someone she wasn't was getting to her. I just felt so upset in myself that I've been trying to change all these different things about me, and I'm unhappy. Maybe I can't be this person that this model girl, and maybe that's not who I am. I think Top Model was putting Tiffany in situations that would make her uncomfortable. When Tiffany signed up for the show, she knew it would be hard, but she didn't expect to feel so manipulated. Here's Tiffany years after the competition ended, talking about it with Oliver Twixt. Everything just seemed so staged. I never knew what was going on. It was so much pressure. And when I first got there, I was so excited. Then it just became like just a bunch of pressure. It was at least 30 people on the side waiting for you to jump off or do anything, and they on your neck by Tyra. We saw Tiffany put on a brave face, but behind the scenes, she was crumbling. I cried every freaking episode. It wasn't that Tiffany didn't care. In fact, she told Oliver she didn't want to get sent home. She really wanted to go on the international trip, and she thought winning the competition could change her life. But by the time we get to the we were rooting for you elimination, like, I cried so much. I was just like, I'm not crying no more. You want me to go home, go home. Brittany Brower said she didn't see Tiffany's reaction to being eliminated as a sign of indifference. She thought Tiffany was just trying to hold it together after shedding so many tears. She also told me that Tiffany was a really funny person who was always trying to encourage the other girls and make them laugh. So when Tiffany tried to cheer them up at her elimination, it was on Brand. I don't know Tiffany. We reached out to her and she declined to talk. In 2023, her son was shot and killed. The same son we hear her talking about on the season. And since his death, she's been out of the public eye. But based on what we saw on ANTM and on previous interviews, she's done. Tiffany didn't have an easy life before getting cast on the show. She described herself as being from the hood. She said she'd grown up poor and she still was. She was a single mom. She slept on a mattress on the floor at her grandma's house. Apparently, Tyra brought up that mattress detail when she was yelling at Tiffany. Here's sound mixer, Jose Torres. Jose saw the whole thing go down. Tyra took some mean shots. She said some things to her about, you know, what are you gonna do when you go back home and you're sleeping on that mattress again when it's just you and your baby? That line ended up getting cut, but it was a low blow, especially coming from a woman making millions off these very contestants and paying them nothing. I do think Tyra was genuine in saying she was rooting for Tiffany. Tiffany was and still is, drop dead gorgeous. She looks like a model. We know ANTM loves a Cinderella story, and Tiffany was the perfect candidate. Tiffany was there to answer the age old question, if you take the girl out the hood, can you indeed take the hood out the girl? Here's what Tyra said about the perception of girls from the hood. People in the fashion industry were telling me, oh, you putting them girls in the hood on your show. I was like, why can the girl from the trailer park become a supermodel, but the girl that's chilling in the park in the hood can't. Tiffany was supposed to be Tyra's ghetto glow up story. I think that's why Tyra got so mad when she saw Tiffany giving up. I'm gonna be real honest with y'. All. After reporting on ANTM for months, I do believe certain girls are set up to win. They're usually the good models who also have a compelling storyline. And I think Tyra wanted Tiffany to win, But Tyra was rooting for Tiffany the character, not Tiffany the person. Brittany Brower has always wondered why Tyra didn't do more to show Tiffany she cared. Before the we were rooting for you moment, she's like, we were rooting for you. We were all rooting for you. I get that you're rooting for her, but she did not give up. Like, have some compassion, passion for her. And if you were so rooting for her and saw her drowning, why don't you help her? Why don't you pull her aside, have production pull her aside, give her a little pep talk, Be like, hey, what's going on with you? I mean, if you see someone really struggling, let's have some compassion. You want to call your son? Why don't you go make a phone call? Go call your grandma. Britney was Tiffany's competitor. She could have easily said that would have been an unfair advantage. Instead, she says it would have been the compassionate thing to do. Whether you agree with this or think, Tiffany should have been sent home because she couldn't handle the pressure in the moment when she was eliminated, she wasn't given the grace to process the situation the way she needed to. Instead, Tyra chose that moment to berate Tiffany. When I watched the we were rooting for your scene the first time, I was shocked because it was so out of character for Tyra. It was one of those scandalous moments I couldn't wait to talk about at school the next day. Now, after rewatching it, I wanted to have a grown up version of that conversation with my understanding of the complicated layers of that moment. So I called up someone who, like me, watched it live in 2005, someone who's thought about it a lot over the years. Raquel Gates is an associate professor of film at Columbia University. She wrote a book all about race and pop culture. And back in the day. She loved ANTM too. So I asked her to help me break down the we were rooting for you moment. When Tyra yells at her. I find that moment so disturbing. Not just because it's one black woman yelling at another black woman, but because of the way that I think Tiffany gets completely misread in that moment. It just feels really obvious to me that she wanted it so much. She's so disappointed, but she doesn't feel she can be vulnerable in that moment. And that resonates completely with me as a black woman. Like, you're in this environment trying to sort of hold it together. And so to see that be read as defiance or lack of care, I find that really offensive. When I watched this scene air live, I didn't give much thought to how Tiffany must have been feeling. But now when I watch it back after having some life experience, I actually get a little emotional. I know what it's like to be in a situation and feel like you don't belong. I know what it's like to Try to hold it together when all you want to do is cry. I know what it's like to have my hurt feelings be misconstrued as indifference, and I bet Tyra does, too, which is what makes this scene so painful to watch. Because I want to believe that maybe in a different context, maybe if Tyra could take a beat and wasn't filming a show, that she would get it. And for me, it's a missed opportunity for a black woman to recognize the very sort of unique situation that another black woman is in. When Tiffany tried to put on a brave face after her elimination, Tyra chose to humiliate her and then said she should go back to sleeping on a mattress with her baby. Tiffany finally broke. I don't have a bad attitude. Maybe I am angry inside. I've been through stuff, so I'm angry. It was the same Tiffany we met in the cycle three auditions when she got into a bar fight. Once again, the show got Tiffany to perform one of their favorite character tropes, the ABW or angry black woman. Let me just give you a little definition here. You can think of the angry black woman label as an umbrella. You have the ghetto girl, the diva, the mean girl. There are a few variations, but in the end, it all comes down to black women being perceived as having a bad attitude. During the Cycle 3 audition episode, Tyra acknowledged the angry black woman trope in a conversation with Cycle three winner my girl, Eva Pickford. Eva seemed like a mean girl and a diva, but rather than just letting her be the villain, ATM gave Eva a chance at a redemption arc during the auditions. It was the very first episode of the season, but Eva had already rubbed a few girls the wrong way. There was a girl in particular named Amy. Amy was very, very thin. When it was Eva's turn in front of Tyra and the judges, she had the nerve to say something mean about Amy, and Tyra wasn't feeling it. How are you gonna want to become a model and take criticism? But do you feel there's a need to be nasty? Do you feel there's a need to be negative? I'm not nasty, and I'm not negative. Well, I vocally said, Amy looks nasty. That was very mean. But Amy looks nasty. The first two seasons of America's Next Top Model, we had girls that were bitches. They didn't walk in as bitches, but they get to the house, they're considered a bitch. I don't want to cast another black bitch. This is a rare moment where we see Tyra talking to a contestant. In a way, I imagine she must have talked to her producers. I think it's proof that Tyra was aware that the show used the angry black woman stereotype, or as she said, the black bitch. So she gave Eva a chance to prove that she was not another black bitch, that she could be vulnerable, and that gave Eva a path to the win. In Eva's audition, Tyra asked her about her difficult childhood and her strained relationship with her family. Eva revealed that her parents and siblings had said some really mean things to her. Tyra brought her to tears when she left the judging room. Before they made the final cut for who would be in the house, Eva gathered up all the girls and made a public apology. I guess the whole reason I'm standing here and I want to say something is because I know I have been rude to a lot of people. I've said hurtful things and so I'm apologizing. I'm sorry for anything that I've said to hurt your feelings because I don't want you to leave here with a negative impression of me. I do want to apologize to each and every one of you because you are our exceptionally beautiful. Not everyone bought it, especially Amy, the girl Eva said looked nasty, but it did help with Eva's storyline. She was still a little mean in the house and definitely a diva, hence the Eva the Diva nickname. But she got a chance to redeem herself, unlike the other so called black bitches on the same seasons before her. After the break, we'll talk more about that trope and the contestants who didn't get a Redemption arc in the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down. Unlock elite gaming tech@lenovo.com Dominate every match with next level speed, seamless streaming and performance that won't quit. Push your gameplay beyond performance with Intel Core Ultra processors for the next era of gaming. Upgrade to smooth high quality streaming with Intel Wi Fi 6e and maximize game performance with enhanced overclocking. Win the Tech Search power up@lenovo.com straight arrow news find facts and context you've been craving. 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Or it's applied whenever Black women are assertive, raise their voice, or when we show any emotion other than agreeableness. And ANTM use this trope every season from beginning to end. Back on episode two of this podcast, you met Ebony and Robyn, two of the black contestants on Cycle one. Robyn was the diva, but Ebony got the classic angry Black woman edit when she got into arguments with the rest of the cast. It was Ebony who was too loud. She has to like bark over your voice and it's so freaking annoying. And in acting challenge where all the girls had to do a breakup scene, it was Ebony's that went too far. It's gonna be hard with Ebony. She's very aggressive and she's very frustrated, which can make her very angry. And one judge, Kahmora Lee Simmons, even insisted on saying Ebony, a dark skinned Black woman was hard looking, which is the biggest stretch in all of this. Ebony just is much too harsh for me. I just don't get it. Ebony was very focused and driven, but it was a competition, and Ebony was there to win. And sure, she got into a few arguments on her season, but she was far from the only one. They were all at each other's throats. That's what they were cast to do. And when Ebony did get angry, it always seemed justified to me. In fact, the one time she would have been really justified in flipping out was when she asked the other models if her girlfriend could come over. I wanted to know if it's okay if my girlfriend come over for about an hour or two today. Where will you guys be? At my bedroom. My beliefs on homosexuality, I think that definitely it is wrong. It says in the Bible that it's an abomination to the Lord. I don't personally, like, agree with it. Can you tell me why you don't agree with it? I mean, just because, you know, I don't agree with, you know, you know, lesbian and gay relationships, but, I mean, I can't judge you. That's fine. I just, you know, like, I just don't want it in our living quarters. Fabulous. I understand. We working it. I'm trying to work it. Okay. After all those negative comments, Ebony didn't get angry. She was downright polite. But Tyra and the judges didn't see that side of her. According to Tyra, Ebony was sent home because of her attitude. You are beautiful and your smile is breathtaking, but you have. When you come into the room, we sense a chip on your shoulder, a type of anger that makes you push yourself too hard to the point where you lose focus and you become difficult to work with. It was as if Tyra was trying to teach her a lesson. You could hear it in her tone. Tyra was a good black woman who was accepted in predominantly white spaces. While black women like Ebony couldn't cut it. This scene on the first season positioned Tyra as a respectability role model for how a black model should act. I didn't get to interview Ebony for this podcast, but judging by what she said in other interviews and on social media, Ebony seems to be the first ANTM contestant to fall victim to the angry black woman edit. Last year on Instagram, Ebony said Tyra's comment affected her career. She said she had a really hard time getting signed with an agency, and she thinks it had a lot to do with the way she was portrayed on the show. But Ebony was the first of many. The angry black diva trope continued into the last season of antm. I actually wanted to give y' all a whole play by play with breakdowns of who said what? But we'd be here for another two hours. So at the risk of flattening these women Again, here's ANTM's angry black woman greatest hits. Starting with Camille from Cycle two. Tyra's other so called black bitch. People could say what they want to say. They could feel the way they want to feel. Honestly, like I couldn't really care less. My objective is to win. If we didn't get kicked off for hitting somebody, your ass would be toe up right now. You couldn't tell the truth to save your life. Are you kidding? Shut up. Did she not come up to me and say that your angers will genuine? Trying to. This is a competition. This is not America's Next Top best friend. All these girls in here are and hoes. That's all I got to say. Honestly, I feel that you're my competition and I don't feel like you're my body type is not better than me. You borderline. Plus, I'mma be sh no matter what any girl up in this room say. Going to be sh no matter what. Anybody. This is making me anxious. I don't know how I watch this season after season. I can't sleep when you keep talking. So you either shut up or go to the living room. But I know if I see one of my items on someone, I'm gonna be like, take my off. You stole that from me. Take it off. Thank you, bitch. I'm uneducated. I went to a red book top 150 school, bitch. Look it up. Can you believe we're only at cycle 14? We're gonna have to speed this thing up. Everyone here doesn't like me. Is that what it is? I'm about to go off. And closing out the hit list is Rio summers from cycle 24. You don't have to do anything. You just like stand there and it was like, oh my God. Applause. Yes. You're amazing. I had to work spy to work my ass off. I had to change everything about to get where I am. There's nothing wrong with getting angry. Everyone feels anger. There's nothing wrong with being loud. And in a modeling competition. I'd argue there's nothing wrong with being a diva. As I pointed out in an earlier episode, the show loved to air contestants angry tirades. That was the show's bread and butter. But the danger of the ABW trope is that it flattens the people into one dimensional characters. Most of the women you just heard were villains on their season. And remember, ANTM is about A Cinderella, not Elphaba's wicked ass. Very few of the black women were set up to win. ABWs were cast and created on set for a reason. Because they're fun to watch and fun to hate. Here's sound engineer Jose Torres. When casting Top Model, it became obvious to us after a certain number of seasons, some people were cast on the show to be on the show, and some people were cast on the show to do well or to win. But some girls got cast on the show because they're just. They're gonna give you good tv, you know, it's like they're gonna get a couple of good photo shoots out of them, but we'll get good TV out of them and people will remember them for a while. You know, I don't think they cast Jade from Cycle six to win. And yet Jade is one of the most memorable contestants of the whole franchise. She's the one you just heard in the Angry Black Woman montage saying, this is not America's Next Top Best Friends. And this is years before Lashawn beyond uttered those famous words on RuPaul's Drag Race. After the show, Jade quit modeling, in part because of how bad ANTM made her look. That's the harsh reality of the ABW trope in action. ANTM made a lot of money on how volatile and funny women like Jade could be. But it was at the contestants expense. The show reinforced the message that working with a black woman was a risk because that angry, loud, hard to work with diva could always jump out. Of course, there are black women who avoided the angry black woman edit on antm. Black women who never got angry, even when the situation warranted a crash out. But that didn't mean they avoided being humiliated. For the cameras. Jada Young was a contestant on Cycle seven. Jada was in the competition long enough to go on the trip to Spain. While there, the models had to shoot a commercial where they were paired with male models. The day before the shoot, The A&TM girls went out to dinner with their partners to practice their lines and hopefully build some chemistry. Before the commercial's big makeout scene, the white model Jada was partnered with seemed standoffish compared to the other guys. He didn't want to talk to her or go over lines. Then he told her why he didn't like black girls. You what? I say I don't like good. Jada's partner Nacho tells Jada that he doesn't even like black girls. She's like, are you serious? No one should be Treated like that. He doesn't want to help me. Do you like it? The rabbit? He doesn't want to help me. I'm worried about tomorrow's shoot because I have to make out with this guy who's an idiot and a jerk, and he says he doesn't like black girls. Jada was shaken the next day when she showed up on set. The guy was there. Producers hadn't recast him, and that meant she had to kiss this guy who the day before told her he didn't like black girls. Jada was clearly still upset at the shoot, and Tyra was there. When Jada told Tyra what the guy had said, this was Tyra's response. Well, you're gonna have to give him a kiss to make him love some black girls, because what do they say once they go black? They don't go back. There you go. Tyra Banks, ladies and gentlemen, a champion of diversity. At the shoot, Jada struggled to remember her lines, which were in a different language. She was at a disadvantage. The guy refused to rehearse with her, and when the time came for the kiss, she cried. When her commercial was shown at the judging panel, it wasn't great. She may have expected empathy from Tyra and the judges, but she was met with the opposite. I was nervous, and I was thinking about the end. Okay, this guy doesn't like me. When I spoke to you guys, you told me that this is the guy that said that he didn't want to kiss a black girl. He doesn't like black girls. Oh, that guy said that. He told me that to me the night before. Then I feel like he's crawling in his skin just to kiss me. Bottom line is, you're gonna take control. It's not about him. He's just an extra. That should not have stopped her from doing the job that she was sent there to do. After this, Jada was sent home and that racist extra got his paycheck. I will say Jada wasn't consistent in the competition. She had been saved from elimination before, but if there was any time to save her, this should have been it. Unfortunately, things like this happen in the real world, but this was a production. If they were champions of diversity, they could have used this moment to take a no tolerance stance on racism. They should have replaced that male model. He was an extra. But instead, they put Jada, a black model, in an uncomfortable and dehumanizing situation. And that sent the message to the audience that the onus is on black people to rise above the racism, not on the racists themselves to, you know, not be racist at work. I want to tell you about one more time. ANTM put a black woman in an uncomfortable situation and then punished her for her reaction. For a lot of black women who watch the show, this moment is seared into our memory. And I think it says a lot about the way the show thought about race, particularly when it came to black contestants. Yaya Dacosta was the runner up on Cycle three. She's African American with some Afro Brazilian heritage. Yaya was Afrocentric, meaning she embraced her connection to Africa. You could see it in how she styled her hair, the clothes she wore, and how she carried herself in the competition. Yaya's Afrocentricity was a big point of contention with the judges. There was a judging panel where the girls had to pick from a selection of hats and build an outfit around it. There was a leather hat, a black fascinator hat, a cowboy hat, and a kente cloth hat. Kente is a really well known fabric that originated in Ghana, West Africa. Much to the judge's surprise, Yaya chose the cowboy hat, not the kente hat. Why did you choose the cowboy hat? It's more on the simple side compared to the other hats, so that I can go crazy with accessories and express myself without being cliche. Yaya, I think you look beautiful. I think everyone probably pegged you if going for the typical African hat. Yahya, I feel half African, half cowgirl. Looks like you're about to ride a giraffe. I think I'm not feeling it. You have this intensity to prove your sort of African ness. And I think that sometimes it's overbearing. It's just too much. The judge who just said Yaya was overbearing, that was a guest judge. She was white. And that comment from her would have sent me over the edge. But I think Yaya handled it well in response to trying to prove myself as an African, that's just where I come from. It's very natural to me. And I did not choose that hat for the very specific reason. That is very cliche. The fabric that it's made from is very artificial, very cheap, fake kente. I didn't have the time and now I'm running on. There's a different way of explaining yourself and being defensive, and you're being very defensive and it's not attractive. Just because we had a top talk about, you know, Afrocentricity before and it's kind of misunderstood. You can hear the strain in Yaya's voice. She's trying not to get loud or seem angry. Even though the judges just completely attacked her identity, ANTM set her up to take the kente cloth. I think it's because they wanted to reprimand her for wearing her culture on her sleeve. ANTM wanted to get an angry moment out of Yaya. And when they couldn't get that, they wanted to humble her. In their eyes, she was wrong for not taking the hat. Then they criticized her for explaining why she didn't take the hat. And even though she never lost her cool, Tyra called her defensive. Yaya couldn't win. Tyra said it was her mission on ANTM to portray diverse beauty. But it seemed like. Like another mission got in the way. Her desire to make a hit TV show. ANTM trafficked in negative racial stereotypes, ones that fed into the audience's most base nature. The show could have challenged those stereotypes. Instead, it appealed to the lowest common denominator. But a funny thing happens when you appeal to that lowest common denominator. You can't choose to be above it. There's only one time on the show where we saw Tyra get really angry. Be quiet. Stop it. I have never in my life yelled at a girl like this. And isn't it ironic that even Tyra couldn't escape the angry black woman trope? Because after all these years, that is still her most memorable moment. I was rooting for you. We were all rooting for you. Out. How dare you. On the next episode, our conversation about ANTM and identity continues. America's Next Top Model featured an openly trans contestant in 2008, something that was shocking at the time. But they made her time on the show a spectacle. I was there as a trans woman, so, like, that's enough of an impact. 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