Fenix Flexin's 'Rubberz' AI Story Just Got WORSE..

Summary

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Curtiss King Reacts: Fenix Flexin's 'Rubberz' AI Story Just Got WORSE..

Podcast: Curtiss King Reacts
Host: Curtiss King
Date: August 4, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Curtiss King dives further into the controversy surrounding Fenix Flexin's viral hit "Rubberz," scrutinizing fresh developments and mounting evidence alleging that the song is entirely AI-generated. Through commentary, guest insights (notably from producer and sound designer Medicine), and breakdowns of supposedly "proof" material from Fenix Flexin, Curtiss questions the integrity of the creative process, the implications for the music industry, and whether audiences can trust what they hear in the AI era.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Renewed AI Allegations: The "Rubberz" Saga Takes a Turn

• The episode revisits the ongoing debate: is "Rubberz" AI-generated?
• Curtiss: “[The story] just took an awful damn turn. Courtesy of a producer and sound designer that many of those in the producer community know as Medicine.” (00:04)
• Major attention centers on a new AI model, Treblo (formerly Sonato), allegedly used in the creation of "Rubberz."

2. Medicine's Breakdown: "Indisputable Evidence"

• Producer Medicine asserts:

  “Rubbers by Phoenix Flexen is entirely AI generated, and him and perp are lying about it.” (01:16)

• He claims the Treblo AI model was rebranded from Sonato just two days before "Rubberz" was released, implying a cover-up.

  “It’s also really strange that Treblo used to be called Sonato, and they rebranded to Treblo two days before Rubbers was released.” (02:21)

• Medicine demonstrates that Treblo can generate lyrics and vocals almost identical to the song, regardless of artist tag inputs.

  “I replaced Phoenix with Eminem using the exact same prompt, and it still spits out all of these exact bars.” (04:24)

• Curtiss humorously interjects:

  “If you make Eminem start singing about local cable I. In this whole live stream right now,” (05:13)

• Key generated lyrics ("diamond chains hanging heavy," "see your face in the champagne bubble," "bank rolls on the table") appear consistently, casting doubt on the song’s originality.

3. Examining Fenix Flexin's Defense: The Pro Tools "Evidence"

• Fenix Flexin tries to counter the AI allegations by posting his Pro Tools stems.

• Curtiss and Medicine both analyze the footage and point out inconsistencies:

  • Only one plugin (Waves Tune) is active—suspicious for a finished studio vocal.
  • File naming with automatic digital conventions suggests imported stems, not recorded tracks.
  • Deleted post raises more red flags.
  • Community weighs in:

    “The fact that you getting so defensive is making you seem guilty, fam.” (13:30)

• Notable quote from producer Little Toro Beats:

  "You ain't going to fool me. Look at this. My hook is called Hook Hook. If you look at his. This is not named the same thing as this [because of] an auto naming feature in Pro Tools." (14:36)

4. Critical Analysis: Why Not Admit the AI?

• Curtiss posits that an honest admission could have earned Fenix Flexin a whole new AI-enthusiast fanbase:

  “If he were to just come out from day one and say, I used AI, what you gonna do about it? There would be an entire AI prompting in cell audience that would love... champion him.” (20:04)

• Instead, denial further damages reputation and erodes trust.

5. The AI "Virus" Spreads: Tyga's Involvement

• Medicine exposes Tyga’s new music as also AI-generated via Treblo.

  “A Tyga's Noob star face 80s music, he is generating it fully with Treblo as well. We saw him link up with Phoenix. He put him on the Treblo.” (22:00)

• Medicine notes Empire (a major distributor) is releasing both artists' AI tracks—raising industry-level questions.

6. AI Detection & Future of Music Transparency

• AI detection models (e.g., Rash’s Instagram tool) are improving and may soon publicly label music as AI-generated.
  • “AI music detection is already here and it's very effective and it's about to be used to detect and publicly label what is and isn't AI.” (22:30)
• Curtiss King cautions: as generation improves, so does detection, but a cultural trust gap remains.
  • “At what stage of music are we at that we have to just blatantly lie about the creative process?” (23:03)
  • “You're going to always need to be the brains behind these prompts... Your creativity is the only way to separate yourself aggressively from the people who are using the same AI generating websites.” (23:41)

7. Culture & Reception: Song of the Summer?

• Excerpt from a pop culture podcast (Popcast): can "Rubberz" (or any AI song) be a true “song of the summer”?

  • Quote:

    “Rubbers is potentially the first AI hit. Rubbers is to my ear the most startling song of the last few months. Because it sounds like soft sell on the Smiths.” (25:54)

• Curtiss and guests argue that the monoculture era is over; popularity doesn’t equal legitimacy.

  • “Radio plays don't determine that for us because these folks ain't listening to radio. Streams ain't determining that because we know we can pay for Streams... What are we looking for? A monoculture existence in an AI world sounds so stupid to me.” (26:14)

• Critique of the lack of authenticity and emotional connection in AI songs:

  • “If you're at a barbecue, if you're on a boat... I don't think you want to let go to Rubbers. I think you can't.” (29:15)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Medicine: “You guys are generating and releasing and profiting off of copywritten material, even if that doesn't end in legal repercussions... The creative community... are not going to fuck with you ever again.” (07:25)
• Curtiss King: "This is the song that you play... when your car pop a tire and you pull off to the side of the freeway and you get out your car, you're like, damn, man… This will officially be the song when Falls Apart. Not the new saxophone.” (11:24)
• Curtiss (on the broader meaning): “The story here is a story because we were lied to. I think it's safe to say we were lied to on many of occasions... It's never been this blatant.” (30:00)
• Popcast: “Rubbers is potentially the first AI hit. Rubbers is to my ear the most startling song of the last few months...” (25:54)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:04 – Introduction & context of the Fenix Flexin "Rubberz" AI controversy
• 01:16 – Medicine's opening claim and presentation of evidence
• 02:21 – Revelation about Treblo/Sonato rebranding and its timeline
• 04:24 – Demonstration of Treblo's lyrical and vocal mimicry
• 09:59 – Analysis of Fenix Flexin's "proof" and vocal recording inconsistencies
• 12:33 – Community reactions and stem evidence discussion
• 14:36 – Little Toro Beats exposes file naming and track import tricks
• 18:07 – Curtiss debates industry implications, lying vs. transparency
• 22:00 – Tyga's music cited as another AI/Treblo creation
• 22:30 – New AI detection tools and transparency in music
• 25:54 – Popcast weighs in on “Song of the Summer” and cultural impact
• 29:30 – Final reflections on truth, trust, and creativity in the AI era

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Episode Tone & Final Thoughts

Curtiss King approaches the episode with a mix of disbelief, humor, and genuine concern for artistic integrity. His conversational style is lively, often comedic, but underpinned by a seriousness about the future of music, technology, and authenticity.

Curtiss King closes:

“The story here is a story because we were lied to... It's never been this blatant to the point where you have an artist out here actively doing interviews while the song is going viral. And trying to convince people that their ears are not their ears. They did not hear what they heard, see what they saw... This is nasty. Milli Vanilli 8.0 I agree.” (30:00)

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Conclusion

This episode unpacks not just the specifics of the "Rubberz" controversy, but the broader consequences of AI in music, the pressures on artists in the streaming era, and the coming collision between technology and authenticity. With mounting evidence and mounting confusion, Curtiss King urges listeners—and the music community at large—to confront uncomfortable truths as the boundaries between human and AI artistry blur.

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Transcript

[Curtis Ki Wire]

Curtis Ki Wire

[Host/Commentator]

di Wires This Phoenix Flexing saga, this AI Rubber song, the song that has been undeniably viral this summer, has taken a turn for the worse. No doubt about it. We've been covering every step of the way when we see things going on, and I don't want anybody to ever look at this as a witch hunt. This is just an intriguing story to me, and it just took an awful damn turn. Courtesy of a producer and sound designer that many of those in the producer community know as Medicine. Now, there's many theories as to if the song Rubbers by Phoenix Flexing his AI. Most people just say, of course, it's obviously AI. The first time they heard it, I felt that way. Obviously, I went and we did some research and we even did a little bit of testing to see, but nobody could come up with a theory that was, like, as damn close as what Medicine came up here. Wait till you see what I could probably argue as indisputable evidence and not just this, but what Phoenix Flexing did after this video went live. Peep it out.

[Medicine]

Hi. Rubbers by Phoenix Flexen is entirely AI generated, and him and perp are lying about it.

[Host/Commentator]

Swiping cards and stabbing chips. There's no AI on this. No AI on it. You freestyle Rubbers?

[Curtis Ki Wire]

Yeah. What?

[Medicine]

They did not use suo. They did not use yu. They used something called Treblo, formerly known as Sonado, which is a new free online music model. And he actually exposed this on accident himself. Before Rubbers even came out. He posted a snippet of a song

[Host/Commentator]

where he bumba clot. He did what? Ah, say it ain't so.

[Curtis Ki Wire]

Say it.

[Host/Commentator]

You know what's crazy? Anybody who's been following the story saw this screenshot. The screenshot quickly left existence after it initially got post. Somebody got two. Somebody got too, too, too happy when this thing started taking off. They were like, oh, we got to cover our steps a little bit more. So as he's saying, the company or the model that's being used is actually called Treblo. It was rebranded from Sonato. Let him finish.

[Medicine]

Not to remove the Sonato text from the file name. It's also really strange that Treblo used to be called Sonato, and they rebranded to Treblo two days before Rubbers was released.

[Host/Commentator]

Two days before Rubbers was released, it got rebranded. Boy, somebody gonna have to tell the truth, and I'm gonna tell it. Two days before the song got released, it got rebranded. The. The AI Model. The possible alleged AI model got rebranded. Oh, that sound Like a deal that sound like a deal behind closed doors Ain't no way Ain't no way in hell.

[Medicine]

And two days before that, he was getting accused of using Sonato for a different unreleased song. Makes me wonder if they're closely tied to this company somehow or trying to cover their tracks ahead of time. But for now, I'll show you how I know they use the treble.

[Host/Commentator]

All right, so the way I'll tell you this, before he gets into that evidence, these AI companies, even when they're startups, they have a lot of money. I don't know where they're getting this funding from. I don't know what programs the government provides, but these companies have a lot of funding. How do I know? Because my emails have been bombarded to the point where I could barely even see the real sponsors and real companies. They've been bombarded by companies that are AI based products. And I have yet to do one ad that you've seen here, especially with these reaction clips. You have yet to see it, but I've been bombarded with it and they said, tell us your budget, we'll match it. So there's a lot of money here. It makes me wonder if an artist in this day and age, which is getting underpaid obviously through streaming, which you know, your success in in rap these days, really are aligned to who you're signed to, how much of that machine is pushing you forward and then also the success of your music. It was obviously be with his music as a solo artist or with Shoreline Mafia. It's not far fetched to believe a company would approach him and say, hey, we love for you to be a success story on this newly rebranded company. Them rebranding two days before is crazy though I here goes.

[Medicine]

The evidence though this works is first you add tags, then there's a lyric box where you just tell it what you want the lyrics to be about. So I'll show you what it sounds like. Yeah, so as you can see, it's sounds just like the vocal on rubbers, but that's not even the juicy part. We're going to get there next. So after messing around with this model for maybe 30 minutes with this, a very vague lyric prompt, I started to notice that it very consistently spits out exact specific bars from rubbers. Way too many, way too often for it to possibly be a coincidence. Very important context real quick, you might be wondering is rubber is feeding back into this model and causing it to spit out these bars and sound like rubbers. And the answer is No, I know it's not, because I replaced Phoenix with Eminem using the exact same prompt, and it still spits out all of these exact bars. So the lyric generation component of this model is completely separated from the artist tag.

[Host/Commentator]

If you make Eminem start singing about local cable I. In this whole live stream right now,

[Medicine]

the artist tags do not influence the lyrics whatsoever. And I will show you a proof of that.

[Host/Commentator]

Diamond chains hanging heavy now About a heavy diamond chain I see your face in the champagne bubble still seeing your face in the glass all right, I'm out. I'm out. We out of here. We out of here. Let me hit the button again. What? And you notice how they all these examples. You notice how all these examples have that same nasty ass accent, if you want to call it that, watching little cable. People with accents don't talk like that. Bank rolls on the table. Ain't no way in hell, bro.

[Medicine]

Plastic smiles. All right, Bob, it's time to wrap it up here. Rubber bands snap.

[Host/Commentator]

Rubber bands snapping. I just let the rubber band snap.

[Medicine]

Some kind of money on a table it says a lot in the rain

[Host/Commentator]

Comes up often ironically. This would be a perfect montage to the rise and the fall of this damn song. I've been trying to think like, this is not a song that I could find myself personally playing this and like throwing on the background as I'm folding up clothes or washing the car. But this song is actually the perfect soundtrack for the rise and fall of this God awful AI based story. This feels like the end montage where Tony Montana loses all his money. It's the reverse. They're taking the money out the bank. What is going on? You stay stuck in the rain while I. Let me stand in the pouring rain.

[Medicine]

Cannot sleep at night Talk for a

[Host/Commentator]

living But I cannot sleep at night But I can't sleep through the night.

[Medicine]

Him and perp are lying to your face about it. They fucking fully generated this song. You guys are generating and releasing and profiting off of copywritten material, even if that doesn't end in legal repercussions. Like I think the whole creative community of actual chefs who are actually cooking and being creative are not going to with you ever again.

[Curtis Ki Wire]

So.

[Medicine]

And I find it weird that Timberland is encouraging him to continue lying about.

[Host/Commentator]

Here's here, baby. Timbo, baby. Timbo, baby. Here's ass coming up. He always at the scene of the crime. He always at the scene of the crime. You know how, you know how when it's like a major thing, a major disaster that happens in the country, you got people that they call crisis actors. Why is he always here? Why is he always around somewhere with a new hairline? Don't answer no question. Use AI to make a whole song is really. That's like crazy.

[Medicine]

Hi.

[Host/Commentator]

Oh, my gosh. Shout out to Medicine for doing the work. That is insane. That is insane. Well, the story gets even crazier the forward we go through this. So in response to this, now, based upon this post in here, I don't know when this was posted. I don't follow Phoenix Flexing. Maybe, maybe some of you may, but this is a post that was then deleted after the response to it. But this is allegedly Phoenix Flexing responding to the AI allegations by showing his Pro Tool stems. Pro Tools, if you don't know, is a. Is a. A industry standard program. It's a dodge where people record their music into their vocals, specifically when they're making songs. He shows the stems that show like all the. The. The harmonies and the choruses of this, all that. Peep this clip out and see if you notice what I noticed. Hey, man, he trying to show y', all, man, I recorded this from scratch. Why would y' all even accuse me of something like that, huh? He said it himself. Making a whole song with AI. I would never do that. As you look through here, you see multiple channels which could represent multiple takes, right? So you see him possibly saying like the top line, the F. You know, the lead vocals, what they would call that, plus some dub vocals underneath it. Okay, cool. Watch when they pan over to the place where the plugins are supposed to

[Curtis Ki Wire]

be that,

[Host/Commentator]

brother, it's only Waves tuning on there. Somebody going to have to tell the truth. And I'm going to tell it. It's only one plugin active on there. For those that don't understand, it's. There's something called a vocal chain where there's multiple, multiple different plugins that you add. This is where you add them on Pro Tools. What are we doing? What are we doing? I'm not even gonna give you the worst part about this, because Pro Tools has an auto naming feature.

[Medicine]

Hold.

[Host/Commentator]

Hold that thought. I'd know J squared know something about that. Did he say something about auto tune? He not even using the auto tune. He said. He said melodyne. Why is Waves retune or Waves Tune, which is. Which I believe is Waves version of Auto tune. Why. Why is that? They think we stupid. They think we stupid. They really think we stupid. Mind you, he posted this so that he can post proof what. This song is Officially gonna be When Goes to Hell. This is the song that you play when you.

[Medicine]

When.

[Host/Commentator]

When you. When you. When your car pop a tire and you pull off to the side of the freeway and you get out your car, you're like, damn, man, let me go get my jack. On your way to get the jack, you notice the other side of the car is kind of flat too. When you notice another flat, bank rolls on the table. Then your phone dies, and you can't call AAA hating that. I ma. This will officially be the song when Falls Apart. Not the new saxophone. What's up, Yash? Not. Yes, the new saxophones. These are the new saxophones. Laughs I'm hurt. What are we doing here? He just. He want to let you know. And I'm playing all this because I want to make sure I have not been accused of leaving out any evidence that he has provided. He's showing you other songs that he's teased before as also having stems.

[Medicine]

Brother,

[Host/Commentator]

They don't even know what to zoom in on. She's pissing me off. Yep. So this is pretty much what we're getting. We're getting. We're getting zoom ins of the stems, and this was him presenting evidence, but for some reason, he deleted it. It might have to do with some of these comments that we're going to read off right here. So some of the comments after he posted it was the fact that you getting so defensive is making you seem guilty, fam. Ain't that facts, though? But somebody. Somebody, like, has a overreaction to an accusation. Don't that make it like. Wait a minute. Why would you show the stems now? Why not the first day? I've made that argument before. If this is something that you really, really are proud of, day one, you expose that. Forget that. Letting the bad press go. No, no. Day one, I took pride in these vocals. You know how I had to. Man, I had to do so many takes to sing this because I'm not a singer. We didn't see that. Little Swifty says it literally says fixed vox twin. Why would you. He said it literally says fix vox. Hold that thought. Twin. Why would you post this? And then somebody said, sono Auto, like we talked about before. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Well, when you don't tell the truth, you make people more curious about what the truth is. Peep out what this individual posted. Little Toro Beats. He's a producer who I believe went to one of these audio engineering schools. Listen to how excited he gets about the evidence that he found from these actual Stems. Peek this out.

[Curtis Ki Wire]

We're going back to school early, guys. Yep. Did it again. Once again, Phoenix Flexing, y'.

[Medicine]

All.

[Curtis Ki Wire]

Don't get fooled, y'. All. Please, please, please. Watch this. Y' all watch very careful on this, man. Phoenix Volks on the lead vocal. Look, man, I got a bachelor's degree from Full Sail University. Full university, man. I'm Pro2 certified. You ain't going to fool me. Look at this. My hook is called Hook Hook. If you look at his. This is not named the same thing as this

[Host/Commentator]

because it has an auto naming feature in Pro Tools. Okay?

[Curtis Ki Wire]

This is what I'm talking about. The reason the audio file is named the same thing as the track is because when I hit record, it names it that. Look, so the other one was called Audio 17. I just rename it Rubbers. Okay? And then we hit record, right? Watch. It's gonna name it Rubbers. Rubbers. Yup. I gotta say what I mean. Audio Vocal one. Audio vocal one. Duplicate. Look, these are muted. These are muted. Muted. Mute. Muted. This is his lead. Supposedly there's no melodyne. Where's the melody?

[Host/Commentator]

I. I would complain about how loud that that meme sound effect was, but it was appropriately loud. Loud for a reason.

[Curtis Ki Wire]

Audio 1.

[Host/Commentator]

Come on.

[Curtis Ki Wire]

Why does it say Phoenix Flex Rubbers Phoenix vs. Look, Recording. Are you telling me that his whole hook and his verse is all connected, all one take?

[Host/Commentator]

My thing is this. So what he's getting ready to imply is that when you use these AI music generating models, you have the option to download. In some of them, you have the option to download stems. Stems are the different sections of a song that make it up. Like when you listen to a song, you hear the beat, you hear the vocals. Just understand that those are two different files, right? Those are stems. Those are parts of the stems. When you hear something is stemmed out, it basically means that all of its elements. It's almost like. It's like. It's like when a car gets stolen and then. And then. And it get. It get took to the. To the. To get stripped down. And they take all the elements of it. The end.

[Curtis Ki Wire]

The.

[Host/Commentator]

The transmission, the engine and the wheels and all that. It got stripped down, basically. And this is what you can do. When you have something that's been AI music generated, it will provide you those stems so that you can import them into Pro Tools and act like you recorded them. My question immediately to this is, why not play the acapella? Could it be possible that we would then hear a lot of those digital artifacts that we hear when we. When it's AI vocals. Like, what are we doing here? What are we really doing here?

[Curtis Ki Wire]

All these takes. Look at all that comps and everything. These are all different pieces put together. There's no way it says Phoenix flexing, whatever vocal. And it's just one track the whole way going. And he adds ad libs. There's no way. There's no way. That's one thing, then another thing. Look at the beat name. My beat name. And it's one stem. One stem. One audio track. That's my beat, okay?

[Host/Commentator]

Oh, come on.

[Curtis Ki Wire]

He's importing stems on that rubber song. He imported stems. If you pay attention on his next songs that he plays, it looks just like this. Where he just imported a beat. Why? And it sounds like him on the next two songs. On the next two songs, it sounds like him because that is actually him.

[Host/Commentator]

When if you've gotten to a point where you got a song and it's doing well for you, the last thing you want to do is end up in a situation where somebody is pointing their fingers at a screen about your music because it means that you probably took something from somebody or somebody sees something wrong with what they're listening to. This is where I actually, unfortunately, agree with a Timberland should have said nothing. You shouldn't. You shouldn't anybody ask the question. You should have just smiled and said, next question. Because this is doing what I feel like could be possibly irreparable damage to the reputation and to the trust. Because if you would blatantly lie to the audience after they can hear with their own ears that something's not right, something's not adding up to the music they heard before that. That. That doesn't do you any benefit. Because at some point in time, you're going to be asked to perform these live. And you've been doing. He'd been doing them live, but they have not been sounding like anything near the vocal production or vocal capabilities of the song that we hear. Are we faking AI stems to make it seem like we recorded something?

[Curtis Ki Wire]

Two songs. It sounds like him because that is actually him. Look at his next song. They're just called vocals. Vocals. Where's the Phoenix flexing? They just forgot to put Phoenix flexing. They forgot to put Phoenix on this one. No, because that's a real song that he made it and it sounds like him. I could tell. Look, hold on. Look at this. Look at the beat. Look at the beat. Y' all study because we're going back to school early. Y' all study this watch. Y' all going to class today. Look at this. The name of the beat right there. The name of the beat. Faded State. Faded State. And in the actual look, it says recording, and it's just vocals. Where's the Phoenix flexing?

[Host/Commentator]

You just got exposed, Phoenix.

[Curtis Ki Wire]

You shouldn't even have dropped those stems. You made yourself look even worse, bro.

[Host/Commentator]

Oh, man, I don't know whose decision it was, but damn it, here we are. Here we are. Oh, my gosh. I. My thing is this. If he were to just come out from day one and say, I used AI, what you gonna do about it? There would be an entire AI prompting in cell audience that would love them all. They'd love it. He didn't think I'd see the overlap. They would love them. Oh, they would love him. They would say that he is a champion. They would. They would have championed him, and they would have even probably put in some poly market bets to make that song stay at number one and how many weeks it could stay at number one. There would be an audience that would support it, and it would be, obviously, a lot of people that would have fought back against it. People like myself who look at that and say, like, yo, what, what, what? What is the state of creativity, especially in rap, if we. If we get to the point where we can't even put this together, like, it's already been dumbed down. It's already been. The quality has gone through the hole like. Like the. The production, everything has just got to the point where a lot of these things have been devolved, where the skills are not as celebrated as they once were or even focused on now. We're at a point where we don't even make the slop ourselves. Think about the ways you lie. Mall Cash. Well, it doesn't stop there. One of the collaborators that we saw when Phoenix was showing all of these different songs was Tiger. And, you know, Tiger, you know, running around like a rabbit. Like a rabbit. Well, he released an entire project, and he's branded it in a way that feels like it's about to be an entirely new era of taiga. And it sounds like he's using whatever the same technology Phoenix Flexing has access to. Well, medicine made this even more clear with this video. Golly.

[Medicine]

Hey, I just want to let you guys know. A Tyga's Noob star face 80s music, he is generating it fully with Treblo as well. Yeah, I mean, we. We saw him link up with Phoenix. He put him on the Treblo.

[Host/Commentator]

Let me figure out they didn't linked up, made a song and he said, before I leave here, let me know how you do what you did with that. Like how you, how are you doing that? Oh, it's a little website called Treblo. The virus is spreading.

[Medicine]

If you're ever curious if a song is AI, you can just go use my friend Rash's AI detection model on Instagram and it is trained on Treblo outputs, it's trained on Suno, trained on Udo. It can tell you if something's AI and where it came from. Interestingly, Empire is also releasing Tyga's music for some reason. So yeah, I, I don't know, dude. Smells weird. I think that Empire might be involved with Treblo itself somehow, but I just, I don't think that what these people realize is AI music detection is already here and it's very effective and it's about to be used to detect a, and publicly label what is and isn't AI.

[Host/Commentator]

Well, here's the thing about it is that no matter how good that technology becomes, the AI music generating technology is also going to improve at the same time. They're already pushing the narratives of false negatives and how these websites are never a hundred percent correct in their analysis of music. Right. I've even used a few websites myself when we do music reviews that sometimes they, they don't give the most accurate of reads. But there's other websites that can comb through it and tell you there's a percentage of this section here that may have some AI activity, something like a heat map. So I think that is something to be acknowledged. But my thing is like at what stage of music are we at, at what stage of creativity are we at that that we have to just blatantly lie about the creative process? Why is IT field, why is the creative community filled with so many people who don't want to be creative or use their God given creative abilities? I understand the curiosity of the technology, I understand the power of the technology and why people would want to be ahead of it. But no matter what, you're going to always need to be the brains behind these prompts, the brains behind these ideas. Because it's going to be a competition of you versus the next prompter. And creativity is the only way. Your creativity is the only way to separate yourself aggressively from the people who are using the same AI generating websites. What does this put our critical thinking

[Medicine]

at on streaming platforms? So we're all going to have the clarity and the transparency we need. They're not going to be able to lie about it much longer. Yeah, I don't think they realize what's coming and like the damage they might be doing to their credibility.

[Curtis Ki Wire]

But have a nice day.

[Host/Commentator]

Think about the ways you lie. More cash. More cash. Oh, look who's back. Shout out to the pop. The, the individuals over at popcast, they spoke on this. And whether or not the individuals, whether or not human beings will ever accept an AI song as the song of the summer. I got some thoughts afterwards, but listen to this conversation they're having because of course Phoenix Flexon's Rubbers is a topic of the conversation because some folks are calling it Song of the Summer. I don't know who they are. Rubbers is potentially the first AI hit. Rubbers is to my ear the most startling song of the last few months. Because it sounds like soft sell on the Smiths.

[Curtis Ki Wire]

Yeah.

[Host/Commentator]

Bankrolls on the table. It's incorrect for the era. Maybe marks the beginning of what might be a sea change or a soft launch for Treblo. Oh, and the sound of at least certain segments of contemporary rap music because

[Medicine]

of a new toolkit.

[Host/Commentator]

Yes. You hear Rubbers and you think this is bizarre. It is a wild experiment. And the fact that it is connected at the level that it's connected. Connected where? And what value of connection? Every day a meme connects. Every day a funny 7 second clip where somebody does something or says something outrageous connects. And then you Bombard it with 17 more before the hour is up and you forget what you even watched earlier that day. I think we're, we're. I think many people are confusing these, these, these moments that, that feel like a monoculture. These moments that feel like, hey, we're all. It feels like a buzz, but we're, we're not acknowledging all the other elements that go along with that. Right. In order to sustain such a buzz, there's got to be an undeniable performance of that said song. There's got to be places that you see this song get into that it wouldn't normally get into. This artist gets into place and cross over in places they wouldn't get into. First of all, I think that because we're no longer living in a monoculture, we gotta dead this conversation about Song of the Summer. It's going to take so many elements out of our control. Matter of fact, the last time we had a monoculture experience where a song of the summer was undeniable, the last time we experienced that was probably not like us. How many elements did that require to be the Song of the Summer. It had to be one of the biggest battles in rap history to. To be the fuel behind that. It had to be one of the biggest artists of our time to be behind that. It's just too many elements today, and I think people are chasing nostalgia and they're not being re. They're not being real about. We're not living in that time where we all can undeniably say, this is Song of the Summer. Radio plays don't determine that for us because these folks ain't listening to radio. Streams ain't determining that because we know we can pay for Streams views on videos, we can pay for views, we can bot the comments. What are we looking for? A monoculture existence in an AI world sounds so stupid to me. But let them continue feels like an indicator of something that's still yet to come. And that is I for me, very exciting.

[Medicine]

It's a bridge too far for me. Oh, this is the one. We're gonna have to tuggle this one, huh? It's a bridge too far for me

[Host/Commentator]

that it may be created by AI.

[Medicine]

I think Rubbers is a slightly too intellectualized take on the Song of the Summer. Let me put it to you this way. If you're at a barbecue, if you're on a boat, you might want to sit down and talk about Rubbers. I don't think you want to let go to Rubbers. I think you can't.

[Host/Commentator]

That's a crazy statement. That's a crazy statement. Please excuse my immaturity. You don't think you will let go to Rubbers.

[Medicine]

Listen to it without thinking about it. And to me, that is antithetical to what a Song of the Summer is.

[Host/Commentator]

Yeah, how many of y' all out there letting go to. To local cable? Hey, brother, where are we at in this timeline? What episode? Please, somebody remind me what episode of Black Mirror this is. Haven't watched it in a while. Maybe I should go open my Netflix up or, excuse me, open myself up to real life. Because we're living right now through a. A Black Mirror episode. How the hell do we get here?

[Medicine]

How the hell.

[Host/Commentator]

The story here is a story because we were lied to. I think it's safe to say we were lied to on many of occasions. You know, the music industry gonna lie to you about something. That's just the nature of that business. Right? The record business, I should say. But it's never been this blatant to the point where you have an artist out here actively doing interviews while the song is going viral. And trying to convince people that their ears are not their ears. They did not hear what they heard, see what they saw. And yet, and still with every time something else comes out, the evidence starts to work against it. They tried to convince us that Auto Tune is AI and try to make that confusing for people who don't. Who don't ever interact with this technology because they can't tell the difference between AI technologies and algorithms. Predetermined algorithms. But it's not the same thing. But it's good money for them if you believe that they're the same thing. This is nasty. Milli Vanilli 8.0 I agree. I agree. What's up, Weaver? Beast, what you think of this shit? Oh, man, diy. Those are my thoughts bank rows on the table the walls are caving in the. Hey, what y' all over there doing? Tear in your eyes don't let it fall. Don't let fall.