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UK court blocks government's attempt to keep Apple encryption case secret Port of Seattle says last year's breach affected 90,000 people Verizon call filter app flaw exposes millions of call records Hackers hit Australian pension funds A global threat hiding in plain sight Cybercriminals are yelling Captcha Meta retires US fact checking program Our guest today is Rob Boyce from Accenture, and he's discussing advanced persistent teenagers and Google's AI goes under the sea. Today is April 7th, 2025. I'm Maria Varmazes, host of T Minus Space Daily, in for Dave Bittner, and this is your Cyber Wire Intel Briefing. Happy Monday, everybody. Hope you're having a great one. Let's get into the headlines. According to a report from Bloomberg, the UK Investigatory Powers Tribunal has blocked the British government's effort to keep secret a case involving its request to circumvent Apple's encrypted icloud services. The court, which hears complaints related to government surveillance, ruled that the government's efforts were a fundamental interference with the principle of open justice. The tribunal's ruling, which also publicly confirmed the existence of the case for the first time, said it would have been, quote, a truly extraordinary step to conduct a hearing entirely in secret without any public revelation of the fact that a hearing was taking place. The Port of Seattle, the agency that oversees Seattle's Seaport and Airport, has disclosed that the ransomware attack that it sustained in August affected data belonging to approximately 90,000 people. According to a report from Bleeping Computer, around 71,000 of the victims are residents of Washington state. The port says the breached information included some combination of names, dates of birth, Social Security numbers or last four digits of Social Security numbers, driver's license or other government identification card numbers, and some medical information. The agency previously disclosed that the Ryseider ransomware gang posted the stolen data to its leak site after the port refused to pay the ransom. Cybersecurity researcher Evan Connolly discovered a vulnerability in Verizon's call filter iOS app that could have allowed unauthorized access to users incoming call records. The flaw involved API requests lacking proper verification, enabling attackers to retrieve call data by specifying arbitrary phone numbers. This exposed phone numbers and timestamps of incoming calls potentially affecting millions of users. Verizon, which has over 140 million subscribers, addressed the issue with a patch in mid March 2025 following responsible disclosure practices. Hackers have recently targeted multiple Australian superannuation funds, attempting to access and steal members retirement savings. The association of Superannuation Funds of Australia, or the asfa, reported that while most attempts were thwarted, some breaches did occur. Australian super, managing over 365 billion Australian dollars for more than three and a half million members, confirmed that stolen passwords were used to access 600 member accounts, resulting in four members losing a combined 500,000 Australian dollars. The company responded by locking the affected accounts and notifying the impacted members. Prime Minister Anthony Albanese acknowledged the incident, noting that cyberattacks occur in Australia approximately every six minutes. Neptune RAT is a sophisticated RAT or remote access Trojan, actively targeting Windows users worldwide. Distributed through platforms like GitHub, Telegram and YouTube, it is often marketed as the most advanced rat. The malware employs stealthy infection techniques using PowerShell commands to bypass traditional security measures. Once installed, Neptune RAT can exfiltrate credentials from over 270 applications, deploy ransomware, monitor desktops in real time and disable antivirus software. It establishes persistence via scheduled tasks and registry modifications. Cybercriminals are employing deceptive tactics involving fake captchas and cloudflare Turnstile to distribute Legion loader malware. This campaign targets users searching for PDF documents. Online victims encounter a fake captcha and upon interaction they are led through a series of steps including browser notification requests, culminating in the download of an MSI installer. Executing this installer initiates a complex infection chain, ultimately installing a malicious browser extension designed to steal sensitive information such as cookies, browsing history and Bitcoin activities. The malware affects multiple browsers including Chrome, Edge, Brave and Opera. Meta has officially ended its third party fact checking program in the United states as of April 7, 2025. This initiative, which previously involved external organizations to assess the accuracy of content on Facebook, Instagram and Threads, has been replaced by a user driven system called Community Notes. This model allows the users to collaboratively add context to posts, aiming to enhance information accuracy through collective input. Meta's CEO Mark Zuckerberg stated that this shift is intended to promote free expression and reduce perceived biases associated with traditional fact checking methods. The company plans to continue its third party fact checking efforts outside the United States and intends to expand the Community Notes system internationally in the future. Security Week is reporting that a 20 year old Florida man named Noah Urban has pleaded guilty to his involvement in the Scattered Spider cybercriminal group. Urban, who was arrested in January 2024, was accused of launching phishing and sim swapping attacks that led to the theft of millions of dollars worth of cryptocurrency. Urban pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud, wire fraud and aggravated identity theft. As part of the deal, he has agreed to pay $13 million in restitution to 59 victims. Stick around after the break to hear Dave Buettner's conversation with Rob Boyce, Global Lead for Cyber Resilience at Accenture, as they discuss Advanced Persistent Teenagers or AP teens and facial recognition could help save the planet.
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Advanced Persistent teenagers or AP teens have rapidly become a significant enterprise risk by demonstrating capabilities once limited to organize ransomware groups. Rob Boyce, Global Lead for Cyber Resilience at Accenture, joins Dave to discuss advanced persistent teenagers. Here's their conversation.
Dave Bittner
It is always my pleasure to welcome back to the show Rob Boyce. He is the global Lead for Cyber Resilience at Accenture. Rob, welcome back.
Rob Boyce
Thanks Dave. It's always a pleasure being here.
Dave Bittner
So I want to talk today about something that you've been tracking. These are apts, but the T's aren't what we think they are. What do the T's mean in this.
Rob Boyce
Particular case, it means teens stiff.
Dave Bittner
So we're talking about advanced, persistent teenagers.
Rob Boyce
Correct.
Dave Bittner
Now I'll just say at the outset that I have two of these, but I don't think it's the kind of apts that you're talking about. So fill us in, what do we mean when we're talking about AP teens?
Rob Boyce
Yeah, sure. Of course. I think what we continue to see in media and movies, et cetera, is this grandiose portrayal of these super sophisticated, well funded threat actors that are coming from nation states that are set on the downfall of our society, when in truth the average person that we're seeing plays an adversary in this space are really just normal people. And we've been doing a lot of research going really back to 2018 and this hypothesis of individuals getting into this ransomware game or as being a threat actor at large, becoming younger and younger. And we've started seeing now a trend of individuals who are really average age between 17 and 25, more focused within country, so targeting more domestically, not entirely domestically, but more domestically and attacking of course, both private and public sector. And so it's really become fascinating for us to see this bit of an evolution of what we, you know, what we're being told is real. You know, the picture that we're being painted versus what is really happening within our threat landscape.
Dave Bittner
Are there particular use the phrase gateway drugs for these teens getting into this? I mean, does this start with, you know, trying to get the high score on your favorite online game?
Rob Boyce
You know, it's, it's actually interesting because we're, we always categorize threat actors by different motivation types, right? We're seeing the ones who are financially motivated, politically motivated, et cetera. And what we're finding here is yes, there's always of course a financial motivation for these individuals, but what we see here is actually more ambition to be infamous, more around notoriety, more around I'm better than my peers and I'll be able to cause more of a disruption than somebody else. And in my opinion, this actually even makes them a little bit more dangerous because they don't necessarily have the same level of maturity as we've seen of someone who's been in this game for a while or maybe who has the, the nation state overlords that keeping track of what they're doing, there's a lot less maturity that we're seeing in this space as well. So it's really a fascinating group to continue to track as we can see them becoming more and more relevant in this space.
Dave Bittner
So really following along with this uptick in influencer culture, I guess it almost seems so.
Rob Boyce
Yeah, it almost seems so. And I think. I don't.
Dave Bittner
I think.
Rob Boyce
I'm sure you're familiar with some of the unmaskings we've seen recently. Whether it's scattered spiders or lapsis or black bastard. This is where it's really come, where we've really seen our hypothesis coming true, where they've, you know, been showcasing who these individuals are. And then of course, we find that a lot of them are within that age range that I mentioned. We also somewhat, in our spare time, I guess, really do some deep dives in some of the threat actors that we're seeing to try and expose them and, you know, provide packages to law enforcement and such. And we're seeing more and more again of these individuals in this space. And the thing is, because they're a little less mature, they're a little sloppy too. And so being able to uncover who they are is becoming a little bit easier for researchers like us to be able to identify them as well. And we've started identifying individuals from places where we've never really seen a lot of activity. Like Jordan and Yemen are a few places where we've seen a little bit more of this type of activity recently originating from, which is also another fascinating point to me, just the location of where these individuals are located.
Dave Bittner
It strikes me that it's also kind of, you know, what's old is new again. I mean, you know, think about the first generation of the old phone freakers and, you know, that sort of thing. I mean, there was definitely having come up in that time, there was a strong teen contingent back then. And I guess that, as you say, immaturity, that feeling of invincibility.
Rob Boyce
Yeah, I thought about this as well, and I thought, hey, I remember watching hackers where they were all high school students or reading 2600 magazine that seemed to be targeted towards the younger generation. And there's a huge distinction to me, though, between those individuals and these. And those individuals previously were ones who spent a lot of time being curious about technology, digging into it, really trying to understand the way it worked. And now I'm finding that these individuals have a slightly easier your path to become threat actors just with the tools that are available on the dark web. Being able to go into dark web marketplaces, buy initial access, buy the tools that you need, maybe even trade a little, or become an affiliate for a ransomware gang. Just think the barrier to entry seems a lot lower now for individuals to be able to become hackers or become threat actors in many cases. And so it is similar, but I find that the, you know, the philosophy behind it and also the work that's required to become an expert in this space is entirely different now.
Dave Bittner
So what are your recommendations for defenders? You know, if the, the ratio of true, you know, nation state actors versus teenagers who have a little too much time on their hands isn't what we thought it might have been, does that shift how they come out, that come at the defense of their organization?
Rob Boyce
Yeah, a little bit, actually. So this is what's interesting to me is I've had a lot of conversations recently with organizations and the first thing that they're always concerned about is these sophisticated nation state threat actors. And then of course, what I'm trying to redirect them towards is that is important. For sure, that is real and probably honestly more real than many people realize. But that is a small subset of the threat actors that are targeting you on a daily basis for most organizations and those individuals like the AP teens who are really focused more on lower barrier, at least theory of entry into an organization, the easiest way to be able to move laterally, the easiest way to gain access. It forces organizations to think about doubling down on getting the foundational strategies right. And what I mean by that is I think if you could ensure that you had a good understanding of your company's presence on the dark web, meaning do I have credentials that are being sold or stolen? Am I being targeted? Is there malware or similar being targeted towards me or that would impact my systems? Understanding your vulnerability landscape, and we have been struggling with scanning and patching for quite some time. And now the exposure landscape is much more than just vulnerabilities. So understanding the total exposures within your organization and having a good answer for identity management, especially around privileged access, I think if you can get those three things correct and have good programs around those three, you will really be able to have a much easier time limiting your risk to these types of threat actors, for sure.
Dave Bittner
All right, well, Rob Boyce is global lead for Cyber Resilience at Accenture. Rob, thanks so much for taking the time for us.
Rob Boyce
Anytime, Dave. Always a pleasure to be here. Thank you.
Maria Varmazes
That was Dave Buettner sitting down with Rob Boyce, global lead for Cyber Resilience at Accenture, to discuss advanced persistent teenagers or AP teens.
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Episode Title: UK Apple Showdown Gonna Be Public
Release Date: April 7, 2025
In the April 7, 2025, episode of CyberWire Daily, hosted by Maria Varmazes on behalf of Dave Bittner, listeners were presented with a comprehensive overview of the latest cybersecurity developments. The episode delved into significant breaches, legal battles, emerging malware threats, and innovative technological advancements shaping the cybersecurity landscape. A featured conversation with Rob Boyce from Accenture provided deep insights into the evolving nature of cyber threats posed by younger adversaries, aptly termed "Advanced Persistent Teenagers" (AP Teens).
Maria Varmazes kicked off the episode by summarizing key headlines:
UK Court Blocks Government’s Attempt to Seal Apple Encryption Case
Port of Seattle Ransomware Attack Impacts 90,000 Individuals
Verizon Call Filter App Vulnerability Exposes Millions of Call Records
Cyberattacks on Australian Pension Funds
Neptune RAT: A Sophisticated Remote Access Trojan Emerges
Deceptive CAPTCHA Attacks Distribute Legion Loader Malware
Meta Discontinues US Third-Party Fact-Checking Program
Florida Man Pleads Guilty in Scattered Spider Cybercriminal Group
A significant portion of the episode featured a compelling discussion between Dave Bittner and Rob Boyce, Global Lead for Cyber Resilience at Accenture, focusing on the emerging threat of Advanced Persistent Teenagers (AP Teens).
Rob Boyce introduced the concept by distinguishing AP Teens from traditional Advanced Persistent Threats (APTs), highlighting that these younger adversaries:
Notable Quote (10:27):
Rob Boyce: “What we're being told is real. You know, the picture that we're being painted versus what is really happening within our threat landscape.”
Key Insights Discussed:
Evolution of Threat Actors:
Barriers to Entry:
Geographical Spread:
Defensive Strategies:
Notable Quote (16:27):
Rob Boyce: “If you can ensure that you had a good understanding of your company's presence on the dark web... you will really be able to have a much easier time limiting your risk to these types of threat actors.”
Conclusion of Discussion: Rob Boyce underscored that while nation-state actors remain a significant threat, the day-to-day risks posed by AP Teens are more immediate and pervasive for most organizations. Strengthening foundational security measures is crucial in mitigating these risks.
In an intriguing segment blending cybersecurity with sustainability, Maria Varmazes highlighted Google's secretive X Lab unveiling of Tidal X, an underwater AI system designed to revolutionize fish farming:
Notable Quote (19:00):
Maria Varmazes: “After five years in stealth mode, the project is now swimming into the spotlight with the goal of making aquaculture more efficient, sustainable and scalable.”
The April 7th episode of CyberWire Daily provided listeners with a thorough examination of current cybersecurity challenges and innovations. From legal battles over encryption to the rise of younger cyber adversaries and groundbreaking technologies aimed at sustainability, the episode underscored the dynamic and multifaceted nature of today's cybersecurity landscape. The insightful dialogue with Rob Boyce emphasized the need for organizations to adapt foundational security practices to counter emerging threats effectively.
For a complete list of today's stories and additional insights, listeners are encouraged to visit CyberWire Daily Briefing and engage with the CyberWire community through ratings, reviews, and feedback.
This summary encapsulates the essential discussions and developments covered in the episode, providing a comprehensive overview for those who may not have listened to the original podcast.