Ayo Dosunmu gets TRADED - What's next for the Chicago Bulls?

Summary

Dan Bernstein Unfiltered: "Ayo Dosunmu gets TRADED – What's next for the Chicago Bulls?" (Feb 5, 2026)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Dan Bernstein and executive producer Matt Abbatacola react live to the breaking Chicago Bulls trades, notably the move sending Ayo Dosunmu and Julian Phillips to the Timberwolves. The hosts dig into what these trades mean for the Bulls' direction, the logic behind stockpiling second-round picks, and the regime's late pivot from mediocrity to a full teardown. There's honest talk about Artūras Karnišovas’ job security, reflections on the Bulls’ development failures, whether Billy Donovan sticks around, and a high-energy assessment of the team’s immediate and long-term roster. The Bulls’ future is uncertain, but Dan celebrates decisive action—albeit years too late.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Breaking Down the Trades & Front Office Strategy

• Live Reaction: The Bulls shipped Ayo Dosunmu and Julian Phillips to Minnesota for Rob Dillingham, Leonard Miller, and additional second-round picks—raising their haul to 14 second-rounders, including nine acquired in just a week.
  • “The latest is last night the Bulls flipped Dalen Terry to the Knicks for Gershon Yabuselle and now Ayo Dosunmu and Julian Phillips have been traded as of about 15 minutes ago for a package of Rob Dillingham, Leonard Miller and more second round draft picks.“ (01:03)
• Changing Tune on Picks: Dan notes the irony in Karnišovas now collecting second-rounders after repeatedly downplaying them.
  • “In Artūras Karnišovas, you have somebody who in the past has downplayed the value of second-round picks and now is going out of his way to add them. I don't know what happened.” (01:49)
• Overdue Teardown: Consensus is the Bulls’ teardown is years late—players would have fetched more if moved earlier.
  • “It is a teardown that is late. And the way you know it's late is by the return that you're getting for players that might have gotten you more last year or the year before…” (02:49)

2. The 'Pick a Lane' Principle: Escape from NBA Hell

• Dan’s Mantra—Pick a Lane: For years, Dan’s plea has been to stop lingering in “NBA hell”—hovering around the play-in with no direction.
  • “What are the three words that I've been saying... pick a lane, pick a lane. Don’t stay in NBA hell.” (03:30)
• “NBA Hell” defined as being too good for high picks and too bad to contend: “NBA hell is not being bad. NBA hell is being in the play-in when you’re incapable of amassing resources...” (04:01)

3. Assessment of the Bulls’ Current Roster & Core

• Who’s Part of the Future? Right now, only Modest Bouzélis (rookie F) and Josh Giddey are central to the new plan.
  • “There are two people in the plan who matter... Modest Bouzélis and Josh Giddey. That's it right now.” (04:45)
• Development Concerns: Sincere worry that the Bulls’ regime might overrate Bouzélis, just like past prospects.
  • “That might eventually get [Karnisovas] fired is if they've overrated Modest Bouzélis because I don’t know if he’s a star.” (05:15)

4. On the Bulls’ Failure in Player Development

• Painful Regime Track Record: Dan speaks bluntly about the organization's inability to maximize young talent.
  • “The failure of this regime has been in large part a failure of development.” (05:30)
• Ayo Dosunmu highlighted as a rare developmental win.
  • “The sad aspect is you did develop Ayo. That was one of your success stories...to get you back the number eight overall pick.” (19:42)

5. Roster, Tanking, and Billy Donovan

• Roster Breakdown: The Bulls now have a glut of young guards and few forwards or centers, with many players likely just “free looks.”
  • Full roster rundown at (13:16–14:20), with comic relief on Mac McClung: “Mac McClung sounds like something you don’t want to catch.” (14:20)
• Tanking Explained: The focus for the rest of the season is “tryout camp” for young players; “You want them to lose every game for the rest of this year.” (08:47)
• Billy Donovan’s Future: Questioned whether the coach has appetite or skill set for a multi-year tank/rebuild.
  • “The question I have is about Billy Donovan—does he want this?” (15:05)

6. Timing, Ownership, & Karnišovas' Job Security

• Late to the Party: Regret that this process didn’t start earlier; now asset values are diminished.
• Job ‘Security’ for Karnisovas & Eversley: Speculation about how long ownership is willing to give this group, with hints Michael Reinsdorf finally gave management the teardown green light.
  • “It might end up being a 10-year regime that at the moment has produced one great half of a season...until Lonzo Ball got hurt.” (11:00)

7. Draft, Free Agency, and What's Next

• Draft Outlook: Bulls hope to lose enough for a 20% shot at a top-four pick; consensus is that only top 3 offer franchise-changing talent.
• Free Agency and Asset Flexibility: Bulls expected to make runs at restricted free agents (e.g., Jalen Duren, Benedict Mathurin, Walker Kessler, Tari Eason) with cap space created by the teardown.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Direction and Asset Management:
  • “It’s an ironic ending—it’s like a monkey’s paw, you make your wish. You want the Bulls to tear it down and value draft capital...they’re finally doing it. But now you let all of these assets decrease in value.” (07:51)
• On the Bulls’ Identity:
  • “Do not look at the Bulls roster right now. And don’t worry about the Bulls roster right now. You want them to lose every game for the rest of this year.” (08:55)
• On Leadership and Change:
  • “They were late to understand the value of the three-pointer…But at least they got it. At least they’re playing real NBA basketball at that point.” (11:35)
• On Living Through the Tank:
  • “You can’t sim seasons in real life. So you gotta live with all the games.” (18:10)
• On Bulls’ (and Bears’) General Futility:
  • “Even getting Derrick Rose was lottery luck...Even that, they lucked in. They put themselves in a position to luck into that pick.” (19:04)

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Key Timestamps (Segment Highlights)

• 01:00 – Bulls trades break live on air; analysis of the moving pieces
• 03:30 – “Pick a Lane” philosophy and why indecision devastates NBA franchises
• 04:45 – Current “core” for the rebuild: Modest Bouzélis and Josh Giddey
• 08:47 – Why the Bulls should lose out and how tanking really works
• 13:16 – New-look Bulls roster rundown and questions about roster construction
• 15:05 – Discussion on Billy Donovan’s future and fit with a tanking team
• 19:42 – The “NBA Hell” cycle and why mediocrity is the enemy
• 22:20 – Who might stick around past the tank: Ivy, Simons, Dillingham, etc.

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Tone and Banter

• Trademark Bernstein candor, frustration at Front Office timing, optimism for decisive direction.
• Comedic relief with running jokes about “Picky Lane,” tanking, and Mac McClung (“sounds like something you don’t want to catch”–14:20).
• Earnest nostalgia and disappointment regarding the Bulls’ wasted years and failed development, with some hope that for diehards, the journey can still be fun.

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Takeaway

Dan and Matt deliver a spirited, sometimes exasperated breakdown of the Bulls finally embracing a true rebuild era. It’s late, it’s messy, but it’s the only path out of mediocrity. For fans exhausted by the old way, the message is: don’t stress about the roster; root for loss-fueled lottery luck, hope player development finally arrives, and at least savor that the Bulls “picked a lane”—even if the road ahead will be bumpy, confusing, and, for a while, intentionally unsuccessful.

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Transcript

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Dan Bernstein Unfiltered Unfiltered on 312 Sports.

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Dan Bernstein Unfiltered is brought to you in partnership with my bookie and the Bulls are making moves as we speak and we're going to do our best as this goes to keep up with everything that's happening. The latest is last night the Bulls flipped Dale and Terry to the Knicks for Gershon Yabu sale and now IO. Dsumu and Julian Phillips have been traded as of about 15 minutes ago for our recording time here they've been sent to the Minnesota Timberwolves for a package of Rob Dillingham, Leonard Miller and more second round draft picks. So this is as of right if I have figured this, if my math is right, the bulls now have 14 total second round picks and they've picked up nine second round picks in just a week. And this is what's weird to me is that in Arturis Karna showvis you have somebody who in the past has downplayed the value of second round picks and now is going out of his way to add them. I don't know what happened. I don't know if as they're selling off these, these rentals who are on expiring deals that that's just all they can get. Maybe they're going to package all this up and send it somewhere between now and two o' clock this afternoon our time here. So let's talk about what we know and what we don't know. We know that this is the, the start, the middle of the start of a tear down. That's obvious that when the dust settles on this and we're looking at what the rest of this year is going to be, it's going to be an opportunity to lose out and get at least a 20% chance of jumping into the top four of this year's draft. It is a tear down that is late. And the way you know it's late is by the return that you're getting for players that might have gotten you more last year or the year before when you were chasing competitiveness and chasing play in blowouts that serve no purpose. What have I been saying? What are the three words that I've been saying with wherever I've been for whatever the time has been, whether it has been here on these pods at 312 Sports or elsewhere on terrestrial radio or on organizations win championships now through 130 episodes, it's always been for the most part, pick a lane, pick a lane. Don't stay in NBA hell. This is how you avoid NBA Hell. And remember, NBA Hell is not being bad. NBA Hell is being in the play in when you're incapable of amassing resources to get better, you're incapable of being involved in deals and using your cap space to allow yourself on the margins to keep amassing assets. And they finally did that. One of the really good signs was that the Dario Sarich deal where they just took on a contract and got two of the seconds in there. And that was when it first peaked my interest to think, well, all right, well, this is very unbulls like they are clearly picking a lane. And for the moment, there's two guys in that, in that lane in this plan. There are two people in the plan who matter that I can identify and they're Modest Bou zealous and they're Josh Giddy. That's it right now. That. That's it. And as if you listened to OWC yesterday, you, you heard my partner talking about it. That that really is, is the big bet that Karnashovas has made that might eventually get him fired. I don't know what it would take to do that, but they might eventually get him fired is if they've overrated Modest Boozelis because I don't know if he's a star. I'm not sure yet. I. There's a lot of things I like about his game and there's a lot of things I like about his development arc so far. But the failure of this regime has been in large part a failure of development taking.

[A]

And if they're, if they're, if they're handling this, this rebuild now and it fails once again. I mean, you're looking at what, how many, how many years is this guy Going to get to do this.

[B]

You really had. You had the.

[A]

What do you have, three, three or four years.

[B]

Oh, well, you're into year six, right?

[A]

Oh, I know. But I mean, how many more years is he getting if he's. If he's in. If he's, you know, if he's running this breakdown and rebuild, how many years is he getting? And you know, you mentioned Modest Pizzealous yesterday, and you referred to him as a poor man's Cooper Flag.

[B]

I believe, Noel, I said he could.

[A]

You said that's what he needs to be.

[B]

Right. Right. If he is, then you got to kind of count that as a win where you took him in a bad draft.

[A]

So. So now, Kendall Gill, I saw a couple days ago, he said that he is going to be better than he said.

[B]

They said the years ago. Yeah, he said that he really.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. A couple days ago again.

[B]

Yeah. That's old. And we lampooned him for saying it then. And I'll lampoon him for saying it now. No, no, they're not. He is not going to be better than Cooper Flag. I. He's. He. And hey, if he is, Kendall Will has staked out that island. He has staked out that territory, and that is all his. And I think maybe he and AK and maybe Modest Bouz Ellis himself and of the Bruise Ellis family may believe that to be true. And if that's what motivates him to simply be the best modest bruise he can be, then he could be a really valuable, really good NBA player. I think your catchphrase there.

[A]

It reminds me, too, of your old movie friend that used to hang out and see movies with Picky Lane.

[B]

Picky Lane. Yeah.

[A]

Yeah, I liked her. She was nice.

[B]

Yeah. But, you know, it was always hard to find a restaurant that was. That was. The movies. It was.

[A]

Movies were easy.

[B]

Yes. We could always agree on a movie. But then it was trying to figure. You want tacos? No, I don't like the way they, you know, everything had a. Had an issue. You want to go for Chinese? Yeah, but I don't like that. I don't like the way that they do their chow fun. Okay, fine.

[A]

We'll add her to our team, though.

[B]

Yes, add Picky Lane to the team. Just make sure that we've got everything planned about where we're going to eat and that she's got enough options. But this. I wish they'd done this earlier because they're finally. This is a. It's an ironic. It's an O. Henry story. It's an ironic ending is what this is where it's like, okay, you make your wish. It's like a monkey's paw. You make your wish. It's like, what do you want? I want the Bulls to decide that if they're not gonna go anywhere to tear it down and rebuild and value draft capital and develop some. And they, they're finally doing it. But now you let all of these assets decrease in value and when that happens, you have to be building up other assets to find value, to increase value. I don't mind having a lot of second round picks. They, they have a value to them. You're obviously not going to exercise all of these picks. I certainly like high second round picks. A lot of general managers like high second round picks depending on the depth of the draft, because you get, you can have talent and flexibility, but this roster. Do not look at the Bulls roster right now. And the other thing is, and I mean this, don't worry about the Bulls roster right now. You want them to lose every game for the rest of this year.

[A]

Well, they got 30 left, 31 left.

[B]

And this doesn't mean, if we need to do a primer real quick here on, on what tanking is. Tanking does not mean you're asking players not to try. It doesn't mean you're asking coaches not to try. That's not what it means. It just means that you are gutting the talent level. So they're just not. Even when they try, they're going to come out on the wrong side of enough scores to allow themselves to get one of the guys that might be at the top of the draft next year. And you're clearing out money so they can make some runs at some restricted free agents. Depending on how and when they want to accelerate this thing, this might be a two year rebuild. The way I'm looking at it right now, that when I say don't worry about the rest of this year depending on lottery luck, you know, this is, look at, look at the Jazz as an example, who've been really good at their tear downs and sifting through the idea of some of the stuff. Why all these point guards? Just see, just to look, get an idea and you can sort through them. You can throw them into your bins and say yes and no. Maybe let's get a longer look here. Let's see what we can do here. This is all basically a tryout camp for a lot of these guys, right?

[A]

Let's say if it is a two year rebuild and you're not you're not going to judge it after the first year. And so, I mean you're going to give this guy what, four or five, five years total. I don't know this thing.

[B]

I don't know what they've told him. I don't know. I don't know what they've told him. I don't know what they've told Mark Eversley. But this, it might end up being a 10 year regime that at the moment has produced one great half of a season, one awesome half of a season until Lonzo Ball got hurt.

[A]

That's not good enough.

[B]

I'm just saying if they wanted to get rid of them and bring in and find the next Sam Presti and do that, fine, fine by me. Go ahead and do it. But it looks like this is going to be the group that you have and it certainly looks like they have changed their minds about how they do some of their business. They were late to understand the value of the three pointer. And that's another thing that I've been hammering on, hammering on that you spent. And I asked AK directly, he was sitting right next to me and I asked him about that and he, and I was, I was heartened when he said it. He said yes, we've been starting every game down eight points because we don't shoot enough threes and make enough threes. And that's the way the game is played right now. And other teams are doing it and just by volume and just by function of the numbers, we're essentially starting every game down eight points. And I just, I want to, I'd say thank you like, but why, why do we realize this now in trading it contested twos for threes, but so what do they do? They became one of the fastest paced teams in the league and finally understood that now they didn't have a lot of people who are great at shooting it and there's nothing really they could do on nights when, for when, when it just wasn't happening for them. But at least they got it. At least they're playing real NBA basketball at that point. So now they're looking around like, wait a second here we don't, we don't really have a roster that is, we don't have enough good players here. What are we going to do?

[A]

Well, they'll be fine until they trade for Giannis here before the day ends.

[B]

They don't have the resources to trade for Giannis. They'll fight him. I don't think, I don't, I don't think they that they're going to give.

[A]

Milwaukee like three number ones and 37 second round picks.

[B]

No, they really wouldn't. I don't think they're in the conversation there. But as we look at the Bulls roster, help me try to make sense of if I have right at the moment, at the moment. And I'm. And I'm. And I'm sort of adjusting this on the fly. But for the rest of this year, at the moment it's Modest Bou, zealous Zach Collins, but he's, he's shut down for the year would be my guess. You know, fix whatever is wrong with his toe. You've got Usman Jang, Noah Sange is out for the year, but he's rostered Josh Giddey, Jaden Ivy, Trey Jones, Yuki Kawamura, Isaac Okoro, Lachlan Ulbrich, Collin Sexton, Anthony Simons, Jalen Smith, Patrick Williams, Gershon Yabu Sele, Rob Dillingham, Leonard Miller and now Mac McClung on a two way. I think I have this right.

[A]

It sounds right. Mac McClung sounds like something you don't want to catch.

[B]

But yeah, but he's. Mac McClung is another kind of toy basketball. But you have two toy basketball players now. Yes, because with Yuki. Yuki and McClung is, you know, I don't know what he is. The guy's won the slam dunk contest and he plays hard, he's a really good dunker, but he doesn't do much else and I would have thought maybe, but it's fine because you're not. If you don't want to be competitive, you don't have any forwards on your roster. I thought they would use the two way spot for a forward, but they, they don't. They're just going to kind of go without a front court here, I think.

[A]

And yeah, just shoot and let Modest and Josh do their thing.

[B]

The question I have is about, is about Billy Donovan and is, does he want this? Is he going to be able to deal with wrangling, you know, herding cats as it were. Just, you know, wrangling all of these, these kids around for two years. Did he sign up for this? Is because he apparently as he got he every once in a while he gets his secret contract extension. But we're going to be entering a completely new era of Bulls basketball at some point. It's, it's right now is the.

[A]

How long was that extension he signed in July.

[B]

You know, no one knew.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Because they didn't announce anything.

[A]

So it's just over six mil. Yeah. Okay.

[B]

If you want to. And who knows if your deal right, and who knows if the same thing is happening with Karna Chauvis and Eversley to just say, look, you're going to see this through. Don't worry about winning right now. It's okay. Just tear it down. And if Michael Reinsdorf finally gave them the go ahead. All right, I just. They got to talk. They got to talk after the deadline today. That's what's got to happen. That he's got to come out and say, we have. We've made a decision here. Here's where we're headed. Buckle up, buttercup, because it's going to be bumpy for this year and maybe next year, depending on what happens with some of these lottery balls. Because if you don't get a top three this year, you're not looking at one of the consensus potential franchise changers. You've got Darren Peterson, AJ DeBonsa and Cameron Boozer. And then it's debatable, you've got people who like Caleb Wilson, you have people who like Kingston Flemings and other names that are around there. But there's no. After the top three in some order, then we'll find out. But, hey, we wanted action. We wanted things.

[A]

Yeah, you wanted trades. You got trades, man.

[B]

Yeah, they are. They are doing things. They just. These rental pieces just aren't worth perhaps what we thought they were worth. And if you want to say, I don't trust our tourist Carter shows to do anything with this, and I'm out. I can't. Okay, we got. Look, I've got no choice right now because he is in charge of this. And I don't know if he was struck by lightning and saw some light and had some epiphany that he said, wait a second, we've been doing it all wrong. And this is. Or this. The people who play NBA 2K and SIM their seasons and say, look, we're going to just lose all these contracts, strip it all down, build it back up, develop some of these guys. You can't sim seasons in real life. So you got to live with all the games.

[A]

No, but he looked at the fact that they were around 500 at the halfway point for multiple years in a row. They get the play in game. They don't win. They're never going to do anything. So finally it was like he just woke up, was like, all right, I guess this isn't good enough. They picked Reinsdorf, came down and said, hey, this isn't good enough.

[B]

Or if he said let's stop being. Or maybe right.

[A]

Medieval Times, let's actually put together an organization. You know, it wasn't that long ago we were winning championships. You know, it's like, what are we doing? And we were building contenders and injuries really were the obstacle that prevented from those teams developing, going further what they were doing. You know, like you mentioned ball. And then you know what. Obviously what happened to Derrick Rose and what that. That good organization looked like at that time.

[B]

But even getting Derrick Rose. Even getting Derrick Rose was lottery luck.

[A]

Yeah. 100%.

[B]

Right. Even that they. They lucked in. They put themselves in a position to luck into that pick was what were.

[A]

They, less than 2 or 3%. Something stupid.

[B]

Yeah. And they popped and they got it and. And they, you know, rode that until he couldn't play.

[A]

Yeah. And you can't. I mean you're, you're never going to have that kind of luck even come. You know, you have to give luck a place to land. And if you're 500 and you make the, you know, playing game and lose every year, you got no shot for it.

[B]

That's NBA hell. And the, the sad aspect of some of this is what you sort of leave on the bone here with some of these players. And the sad aspect is you did develop Iowa. That was one of your success stories in development of taking a second round pick who couldn't dribble with his left hand and had a weird shot and you make him into something viable that was enough to get you back the number eight overall pick. You know, these, they call a lot of these pick second drafts, you know, secondary drafts. When you take a guy like Ivy or a guy like Dillingham, when you're talking about highly drafted guys still on their rookie deals who get blocked or have their development interrupted. And I understand that, that that was the giddy move, Right.

[A]

They're both, Those are top 10 picks, right?

[B]

Yep. And that was a. Well, wait, I think, I think Dillingham might have been a 11th. I don't know if the top of my head, but you. This is. There's a way to do this where you find guys who had wrong fits or wrong opportunities or your pro personnel people say that that's a gem there that we just have to polish differently. They did the right thing with Giddy. There was certainly an understanding that, that what he. How he was being used on a team that was so overloaded with talent at every position also had a guy who was. Was being used in a way that you thought you could improve on. They did it. They made that move. They got him. And both teams won that trade. But it's going to take a lot of time to sort through this, and it's going to take some explanation now, but. And there's going to be more moves probably before the end of the day. I don't know exactly what they're going to do. I don't know what bookkeeping has to be done around the edges here. I found it. I found the. The Gershon Yabu Selli acquisition a little weird, but they weren't going to resign, Terry. So you get a free look at Yabuzeli. The problem with Yabu, sally, is he's 30 years old and he's a 6, 7 forward. And he was already out of the league once, remember, because he was with Boston in the late teens. And then he went back and it was only in the last Olympics when he was playing for France. It was like, wow, who's this guy? And he'd been playing overseas and he had his shot and he played his way back in. And there were rumors that he wanted to go back and play, whether it was in Israel or one of the big contracts in one of the foreign leagues anyway, that he was going to be done in the NBA. But it's all free looks and it's good. Bulls basketball is going to be for those of us who are diehards.

[A]

Yeah. Dillingham was a. He was the eighth pick.

[B]

I thought he was eight. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

All right. So you look at the roster right now, though, outside of Giddy, obviously, and Vazelis, let's project down a couple of years.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

What guys potentially have the chance to still be here when it matters?

[B]

Potentially. Well, Ivy for sure.

[A]

Okay. And Ivy. I was gonna say Ivy. And Simons, Right.

[B]

Yeah. Ivy is a medical bet. Simon's maybe not just because of his age. I like Simons.

[A]

I love him. How old are Simons?

[B]

He's 27, I think. Oh. He came out of. Came out of img. So he's on the younger side, but he's not young. Young.

[A]

He's not young young, but he's not old. He's 27.

[B]

No.

[A]

He's got a lot of good years left.

[B]

Yeah. You got a chance to get a good look at him because he's a nice player, tough kid and.

[A]

Well, so that's what I was thinking.

[B]

It's just.

[A]

It's those four guys. Outside of those four, who else is there?

[B]

I mean, Dillingham is you. If you talk about what did you have.

[A]

You had.

[B]

Let me. Let's write it down. We have Modest.

[A]

Yeah, Modest, Giddy.

[B]

Ivy. Ivy Dillingham. So you already have got. I mean.

[A]

You got to figure out. You don't want to include Simons in that.

[B]

Yeah. That's five. So you've got. Four of those are guards. And you're not going to have room. I don't think you're going to pay Ivy and Simons, because when all is said and done, it's a matter of contracts for some of these roles. And these are all guards. All guards, yeah. So there's. You don't have room for material players, contributing players, who. Because Simon's right now is your highest paid player. He's making 28 million a year.

[A]

Yeah. And he is one. Well, how many years left in his contract? Is he through?

[B]

He's got another. No, he's. I think he's got to get spot rack out. I see. I think he's up. This is. Seriously, if you haven't paid. Okay. Anthony Simons, according to Spot Rack, he is an unrestricted free agent.

[A]

Yeah. Okay.

[B]

So this is a rental with a free look. Yeah. He's making 20, 28 million this year, and then he's unrestricted.

[A]

So you're probably right on him.

[B]

So what I think the Bulls are going to do is take some shots at restricted free agency. I think they'll be able. If they want to offer Jalen Duran, if they want to offer Benedict Matheran, if they want to offer Walker Kessler, Tari Eason, they're going to have plenty of money to go do that. But this is. Do we know if Karnashovas is speaking immediately after the deadline today?

[A]

Don't know. And is. Is Nick Collins a bench guy? Is he a rotation guy?

[B]

Zach Collins or Zach Collins?

[A]

I'm sorry.

[B]

Yeah. If he's healthy, he's good. Yeah. I mean, but he's. But he's older. He's 29.

[A]

Oh, is he really 29?

[B]

Yeah. Oh, so. So you're. You're not going to be able to. To move him.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So.

[A]

Yeah. So then you're looking at those five names and probably. And you're probably right. Simon's probably not towards it. So Giddy Ivy, 28.

[B]

Dillingham, 28. Not 29.

[A]

So, yeah, be 29 in the fall.

[B]

Well, let's. Let's see what else happens today. I think we just got to kind of sit chilly on this and then wait to hear what AK has to say later in the day. Because the good news is they are picking Elaine finally that the tear down is here and an opportunity to do this with a new vision is here. But it's the person who was doing it with the old vision that, that first little build that, that idea of trading for, for Nikola Vucevic and being competitive and looking at this as a, as a serious place to play, that only went so far. It was a mistake to trade all those assets for DeMar DeRozan. They, they thought that they could turn Zach Levine into somebody who understood basketball and that never happened. And now you've got another chance to reimagine and re envision and essentially a blank canvas on which to build here, with a couple of exceptions. And for those of us who, who enjoy it, who, who have a taste for some of these things, we'll do our best to enjoy.

[A]

Oh, buddy, I love this. For if it's. If I got 30 games to bet against the Bulls, let's go.

[B]

And because nobody knows what the rotations are going to be, it might be tough to set lines and you might have in chaos opportunity to know more than some people out there might. So give that a shot. Dive in. I want to see it. I want to see you ripping off some of these, these 80% win streaks that you've had. Go get it. And you know how you're going to do it? You're going to do it with my bookie. Yes, sir. Because the super bowl is finally here. My bookie is where you turn bets in a bankroll. We're all watching on Sunday and we've all got silly things that we're playing around with. And that is where it's really fun in a game like this. You say what the hell, I'm going to do some props. And you can bet the coin toss or you can bet the how long the national anthem takes or how many lyrics of English Bad Bunny is going to I, I don't know. But there's all kinds of things that you can't even imagine on the big prop board. And that is why the My bookie Super bowl prop board, as deep and fun as it is, always gets talked about. Jimmy Kimmel Live makes a big thing about it every year when the game rolls around. So if you want to get in, get in now. It's one account. It's one wallet. So you make a deposit once you've registered and you use our code. My. The code is dbu. So it's Dan Bernstein unfiltered dbu. And then you're in and you get your first bet. Covered up to 500 bucks. So that's nice. If it doesn't hit, you have a bet back, bonus token, and whatever you want to do. You can bet the spread, you can do money lines. There's all kinds of parlay opportunities. You can even hit the casino during commercials. And it's all in this one spot, all at MyBookie AG, and all with the promo code DBU. It's important, so don't forget that part. Put that in, and then you're not just watching the big game, you're making it pay with my bookie. And that game is indeed coming. We had our first injury. Nick Iman Warrie is hurt. The safety for the Seahawks is hurt. There is video of him limping back into the hotel last night. And that. I always say, make your decision when you know who the combatants are. The only thing that would change that are injuries. And I guess at practice, rookie safety Nick and Worry has an ankle. And Kaylin Kaler was the pool reporter who noted that he walked off the field on his own with several players attempting to comfort him before he left. And we'll see because there's all sorts of magic medicines that can.

[A]

Dude, it's a Super Bowl. I mean, if he. If he can play, they'll find a way for him to play.

[B]

Yeah, Dr. Needle can come out here with that shit with that Toradol shot. That makes everything happy. Happy. Happy. Yeah.

[A]

I think I'm gonna let the. I think I'm gonna let each boy, like, pick a prop bet that I'll.

[B]

That I'll. I'll play.

[A]

I'll just show them, like, a list and just have them pick one.

[B]

Oh, do a whole thing. Yeah. You could do a family prop thing. Yes. Yeah.

[A]

If I can squeeze it in around my NBA bets.

[B]

Well, and around their practices and their games. I. We. We've had hockey games on Super Bowl Sunday before.

[A]

So Lucas has. My youngest stepson. He has two basketball games early on Sunday, but the. The older three don't have anything. And I. I've never had anything on super bowl over the last. God, how old is hanging. 13. Over the last seven, eight years, I've never had anything on Super Bowl Sunday. We have now. There's always, always baseball tournaments on Mother's Day, which I know the moms love, which is great.

[B]

Oh, Fourth of July, Memorial.

[A]

I'm fine. Fourth of July.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But like, the Mother's Day thing, I think they could. They could just kill it there one time. Wouldn't. Wouldn't hurt anybody. Father's Day Is fine. We played last year or two years ago on Father's Day in that big facility there in Rosemont, that really cool stadium. That was a really awesome. That was an awesome experience to be there on Father's Day.

[B]

Where the Chicago Dogs play?

[A]

No, not where the Dogs play. God. It's a. I don't really use it for colleges or whatnot and a lot of youth stuff, but. No, it's not. It's not the dog stadium.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That'd be fun though, to play. Have you been to a dog's game?

[B]

I have not both of the kids. You should. It's.

[A]

It's a good time. It's especially with, with having, you know, four boys and we go for the six of us to go. It's super reasonable and you get great comfortable seats and. Yeah. So. No, it's always a fun time. I would recommend it. Speaking of recommendations, have you watched Miracle yet? The.

[B]

No, I haven't. I haven't attended. There was a Bulls game the other night and then last night I went curling.

[A]

Oh, how was curling?

[B]

Fun?

[A]

Yeah. Was it good?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Were you inspired now to chase that as an Olympic dream?

[B]

No, I do have an Olympic sport. That sounds really cool. I'm going to get to in just a second. But the I liked was pretty. It wasn't full blown curling because it's, it's. It was smaller. It was on ice, but we didn't do. You don't do the sweeping part of it. It was like. It was like shuffleboard on ice, kind of. It was stripped down. But, you know, we had a little lesson beforehand and they have. The stones are the normal stones, but you. And you aim the, The. The house is smaller. I don't know if the button is smaller, but you. It's. Yeah, it's kind of like shuffleboard with big heavy stones down the ice and they go down and there's an attendant there that brings everything back and helps you keep score. But it was fun. I liked it. I liked it. I couldn't decide if I was righty or lefty. Why? I just couldn't. I couldn't figure out how if I was righty or lefty because I'm both. And I. It's a sport I'd never done before. So I was trying to figure out. I, you know, I right, lefty, I throw a baseball lefty, I dribble a basketball and shoot a basketball. I can barely do any of that with my right hand. That's all left.

[A]

So what do you do with your right hand?

[B]

Like, I Say I write with my right hand. I throw with my right hand.

[A]

Oh, I thought you said left just now. All right.

[B]

No, no. The only thing, the only I developed entirely left was basketball and then for soccer. My left foot used to be stronger than my right, but my right was more accurate.

[A]

But you shoot lefty, but you can't dribble righty.

[B]

I can. I can barely dribble righty.

[A]

But you can write right handed.

[B]

I do write right handed.

[A]

And you throw right handed.

[B]

Okay. And I throw right handed. And I. And I can bat both.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So. All right. Just adding this to the list. What list? What list? Are you keeping on me, Helping me understand you, that's all. No one can understand me.

[A]

That's why I'm trying. That's why I'm making a list. You know, I like lists. I'm a big fan of lists.

[B]

I know you do.

[A]

I'm always making lists.

[B]

Doctors have tried to do this. All right, I'm going to play a game right here. All right? The game is who said this?

[A]

All right, who said this?

[B]

This. This game is who said this? And here's what this, what this coach said, what my goal was, what I told everybody in the building, it was to build a program that you, the coaches and the staff want to be part of, that they want to protect. When you care about something, you protect it. You're proud of it, you're eventually going to believe it, and you start to trust it. The more that I'm around the players, the easier it gets to feed my energy. They've responded to us. They've done everything we've asked them to do. I think being around the players helps. And they also mentioned that this coach, after every single game, when the team gathers, when they give out the game balls, there are shout outs to other players. And the game balls are followed by the team cheering in unison to make it a group experience.

[A]

All right, So, I mean, there's only hundreds of thousands of options here. Are we talking about someone currently coaching, currently in the news?

[B]

In a way.

[A]

Give me some. Give me some.

[B]

Here's what's said about him. This is one of his players. He has stayed the same, consistent the whole time. I felt like our coach believes in us. He's helped us build this identity that he speaks of. He holds everybody to the same standard. And then the coach said that, I realized that when you hold everybody to the same standard, to the same requirements, you hold teammates accountable. And this is one of his players. You start looking at your teammates and self policing, self Accountability. You don't want to let your teammates down. And then the coach said, I just try to be me. I try to learn from every person, every great coach I've been around and try to make it my own style.

[A]

Is it Ben Johnson?

[B]

No. It sure could be, though, couldn't it?

[A]

Could be. Is it pro or college?

[B]

Pro.

[A]

Pro.

[B]

Just.

[A]

I'll go off the super bowl here. Is it Mike Vrabel?

[B]

It is. It's Mike Vrabel. Okay, now Mike Vrabel, because everywhere you look, people are writing and talking about Mike Vrabel. Because tonight we're going to find out who the coach of the year is in the NFL. It's probably going to be Mike Vrabel, Ben Johnson also up for coach of the year, and deservedly so. And one thing I've noticed is when we have looked at the local coverage of the super bowl, everybody, every single outlet, radio, television, print, podcast, I don't even know to include ourselves, has used this as an opportunity to continue the Ben Johnson honeymoon. To say, you know, we're covering the super bowl, but, hey, you know, isn't it great that the Bears had that great year and the Bears have this awesome coach? And every time you hear what these other successful teams to this point are saying, Bears hands could say, oh, we got one of those Bears. This is. This is nice. See, these are the good teams. And instead of saying, oh, boy. Instead of having what? The Bears have this. This idiot and all these players that don't like each other and are muttering about each other that they've got the same thing. Look at that. Isn't that awesome? It has. We've created, like this, this second part of the Ben Johnson honeymoon at the super bowl, even though the Bears aren't in the super bowl, because the Bears can say, hey, we got one of those. One of those good coaches. We know what that looks like and sounds like. How about it? How about the Bears having a good coach? So I don't think Ben Johnson is going to win coach of the Year. He could, but it sounds like this is going to be variable. Can you name the other Bears coaches of the Year?

[A]

Well, yes, I can.

[B]

Well, let's. Well, why don't you prove it then, bucko?

[A]

All right. The. The most recent would have been Matt Nagy in 2018.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Lovey. Pittsburgh. He won a coach of the year.

[B]

He did. Love you, Pittsburgh. Lovey. But he won it in 2000. 2005. 6.

[A]

2005.

[B]

2005. Yeah.

[A]

Your favorite head of NFL head coach, Dick Jaron. He won Coach of the year. Was that 2001? What one is that? 2001? 2.

[B]

Dick Jaron 1. Coach of the Year in 2001 when they went 2001 and 3. Yeah, very good. You're doing very well. You're getting this in proper order. 1805.

[A]

011. All right, so let's go backwards now from there. No, no, No. I'll just. I can't recall one. Ditka had to win one.

[B]

Ditka one in 85.

[A]

85. That was a good year for them.

[B]

Yeah, so I hear. And you've got one more.

[A]

Is there one more?

[B]

There's one more. Who won it twice?

[A]

Is it? Is it? Is it? Is it George Hallis?

[B]

It is. Okay.

[A]

That's right.

[B]

George Hallis was NFL coach of the year in both 1965 when the Bears went 9 and 5, and in 1963 when the Bears went 11, 1 and 2. Those are your Bears Coaches of the year. Now, with the exception.

[A]

That would suck. Two ties in a season for your team.

[B]

Yeah, well, like.

[A]

Oh, lame.

[B]

There used to be a lot of ties. Used to be a lot of ties. With the exception of George Hallis. How many of those Bears Coaches of the year got fired by the Bears.

[A]

With the exception of Hallis? Well, Ditka was fired.

[B]

Yep.

[A]

Jaron was fired.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Lovey was fired after a 10 win season.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

Matt Nagy was fired.

[B]

Correct.

[A]

So all of them. Dan.

[B]

Correct. Now. Okay. Now I was also going to ask you this. That if Mike Vrabel wins Coach of the Year, it is going to be his second honor.

[A]

Okay. He did it with Tennessee.

[B]

He did. He won it in 2021 when the Titans went 12 and 5. Not all that long ago. Yeah.

[A]

Was that with Ryan Tannehill? Was he the qb?

[B]

I don't remember. Okay. I'm not sure either. But he won it. And then what happened to him?

[A]

He got fired.

[B]

Yeah, he did. He did. And now he's back and he might win it again. But he is another Coach of the year who got fired. And I don't know what's important about that other than just to enjoy liking your coach while you can.

[A]

Well, I would imagine that I would probably be surprised. It's probably a higher percentage than you would think of Coach of the Year winners that eventually get fired.

[B]

Sure. They all get fired.

[A]

Well, except for. Well, Mike Tomlin walked away.

[B]

Right. And I would think all of them get fired.

[A]

I wonder if Bruce Arians won and then retired. Possible.

[B]

Yes, you can. But for the most part, they get Fired? Yeah.

[A]

Because really, I mean, when you look at the Bears winners, outside of Lovey Smith and Mike Ditka, of course, it's generally just a one off season. You get, you catch lightning in a bottle, you get lucky somehow some way, and you have a great year. And then the rest of your time as the coach sucks. And people not only want you fired, they want to just like fucking get you out of town as quick as possible. Which, you know, in the case of Nagy and Dick Jaron.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah. So, yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure the percentage is really high. You would probably think it wouldn't be because, like, oh, a coach of the year, you wouldn't. But yeah, I think they probably all do get fired.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So a guy like Tomlin is a very, very, very rare exception.

[B]

I guess the lesson being when you have an opportunity to savor, to enjoy your coach and appreciate your coach, just understand that these things are often fleeting and for, for. You don't even know the reason you can't see into the future. It's just something that, that usually happens is that the honeymoons and reality sets in. Guys get hurt, things happen, leagues evolve. And it's not to take away from any larger picture Bears optimism, it's. It's to reinforce that you should enjoy it. Yeah, you should enjoy it.

[A]

And when you heard Kevin Byer the other day saying why he wants to stay in Chicago and hopefully they, they get that worked out, he says it's really hard to get the coach and the quarterback right. And they, and they've done that in Chicago and we can't really say it all that often. And I know it's just, it's been one year and Matt Nagy had a year and Dick Jaron had a year, but it's very, it's obviously very different with, with Ben Johnson and it's just, it's nice to be able to say that for Chicago fans to be able to say, wow, we actually have a quarterback who outperformed most of the other quarterbacks in the league, which we never really say that.

[B]

That's usually why the coach gets fired.

[A]

Is because they're the quarterback. Wrong.

[B]

Right. Right. That's what.

[A]

Yeah. And you know, we could talk about, we talked about Caleb all year long and his efficiency and how he can get better and improve, but overall his production was better than most quarterbacks in the league. And Ben Johnson in his first year won 12 games and took a wild card playoff win over your hated rivals. I mean, this was just an extraordinary year. And I. I don't think it's going to be. But you just never know what happens with other things out of your control. That this will not be that one off season that Dick Duran had, that Matt Nagy had. This is something consistent where a foundation's being laid and being laid. That we can say this will happen for the next several years in this town with this team, regardless of where they play, what their stadium is like. And coming up on forward. Progress. Dan, I'm going to tell you why I believe that even if the Bears do remain in the state of Illinois, they never, ever, ever, ever, ever, never, ever, never, ever will host a Super Bowl. We'll talk about that in Ford.

[B]

Progress. You sound very certain.

[A]

I'm very certain of this. All right.

[B]

I can't wait for this. I can't wait. I can't wait for this. I found a new sp. Do you know about the Olympic. New sports? And I'm not making this up.

[A]

So wait, you told me earlier that the Olympic Games are actually already happening.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay. Opening ceremonies is weekend. So there are games happening before the. I didn't realize that.

[B]

Apparently so. Apparently there. Okay. That there's. There's already things that are happening. And there. I guess right now the women's hockey team is playing Chechia and Czechia is a new way of seeing Czech Republic. Is that right?

[A]

I have no idea. So I would watch. That I would watch women's Olympic hockey. I didn't know they were playing already. Yeah.

[B]

It's not Chechnya, It's Chechia. There's.

[A]

You can't play before the opening ceremonies. That defeats the whole name of the.

[B]

Fucking ceremony while they're playing. There's a lot of strange things going on at the Olympics. There's a norovirus outbreak. Lindsey Vaughn says she's going to ski even though she has a ruptured acl. And they said there was. They said there was no swelling and no pain. How is that. How is it possible to rupture your ACL and have no swelling?

[A]

I don't know. Vodka? I have no idea.

[B]

That's superhuman. Yeah. I don't understand that at all.

[A]

I don't know how. Natalie showed me that she's gonna ski and I'm like, didn't she rupture.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Her acl. And she's still going to do it?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Good for her, man.

[B]

I know there are people who can have normal lives without ACLs. I think former Bears Garden Center Roberto Garza, he was also the. The Donut king. Remember, he had the nutritious donuts that he would market.

[A]

Yes, these are good for you donuts.

[B]

They are the super donuts. Right. But I, I'm trying to remember what we weren't. They only. It's like not. They weren't good for everybody, but he was marketing them to.

[A]

They were good for him.

[B]

No, they. What did. I think Terry and I concluded they were only good for Mexicans. For everybody else, they were terribly damaging. I forgot exactly what it was, but I think it was the Roberto Garza nutritious super donut, which is a good deal if you can get it. And then he got. He was, he was with the Modelo things. He was doing Modelo commercials I think at some point. But he was able to play without ACLs.

[A]

And I always did enjoy a good cold Modelo.

[B]

Now Lindsey Vaughn is going to. Is going to fall down a mountain fast and under control at 80 miles an hour without an ACL. Good luck. Did you see the.

[A]

The ski jumper that fell?

[B]

That was awesome.

[A]

Yeah. So before she leaves the ramp, she, she was leaning too far forward, lost her balance. And so when she leaves the ramp and gets into air, she's holding with her hands the front of her skis. And I was like, oh, wow, this is a new technique. I've never seen this ski jump before. And then proceeded to fall very short of where she wanted the land and landed directly on her face.

[B]

See, I was worried because it was a Norwegian ski jumper, those were the ones we were talking about who had penis gait. That it was the Norwegian men that were making their packages artificially larger to get more fabric in their suit so they could get more lift and have more air resistance to travel farther down the hill.

[A]

So you thought he was off balance and fell forward?

[B]

I didn't know what happened. I saw Norwegian ski jumper females. I'm like, uh huh. See you put a cucumber in your pants and then your balance falls off and next thing you know you're hitting face first. But no, she was okay. It was not as bad as the agony of defeat. And Vinco Bogotage, who had the. Who was the famous ski jumper who ends up falling and the agony of defeat from 1970.

[A]

Yeah, you put a cucumber in your pants along with a couple tennis balls. Next thing you know you're at Dan's summer camp.

[B]

You better believe it. And you're acting in the play.

[A]

What's the, what's the sport you've. You found? What's this new sport? I'm curious to hear you mentioned you teased me with it earlier.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

It's called.

[B]

It's Schemo.

[A]

So like S K I, M O. Skimo.

[B]

It's nicknamed Schemo.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

S K, I, M O. All right. This is an actual sport.

[A]

In the Olympics.

[B]

In the Olympics.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Schemo.

[A]

This year I can see it in Italy.

[B]

This year it is ski mountaineering. Ski mountaineering makes its debut on February 19 and February 21. The women's and men's sprints are the 19th. The mixed relay, it's going to be gender mixed. Is going to be in Bormio, 125 miles northeast of Milan. Ski mountaineering. Do you know what ski mo is?

[A]

I'm going to guess. You're at the top of a hill and it's really rough terrain. You have to ski down. No. Okay, you're close.

[B]

You're close. Back it up a little bit. You started out too late into the sport.

[A]

Oh, are you at the bottom of the hill?

[B]

Huh?

[A]

And you have to ski through rough terrain to get up? No, you're just skiing laterally through rough terrain.

[B]

You're not skiing yet. It doesn't.

[A]

Oh, you have. You have to climb the hill, then ski down.

[B]

Ski mountaineering is. You're at the bottom. There's no chair lift. You've got to climb the mountain and then ski down it. And according to the US Team, Cameron Smith and Anna Gibson, they said it's basically what skiing was before there were chair lifts. Okay.

[A]

And so. And so it's just a regular, like, I don't know, lack of a better word, like a smooth ski hill that you just have to get up the hill. It's not like rough terrain and polar bears.

[B]

I don't know. I think you got to carry all your stuff. You. It's not like they hand you skis at the top. So they said, so you gotta.

[A]

You gotta sprint your way up this hill to get to the top as fast as possible and ski down.

[B]

Smith and Gibson beat out Canada for the 12th and last Olympic schema birth.

[A]

Well, that's disappointing to hear about Canada. They.

[B]

Canada didn't make it. Just to qualify for the Olympics would have been such a win for our team. That's been our number one focus for years now. And Smith said, I felt like that was as far as we could dream. Making it to the start line would be where our potential is. He trains out of Crested Butte, Colorado. He said, we're going to be there to be competitive and chase bigger and bigger dreams. We're allowed to dream of podiums and dream of medals. So it sounds like they're not really going to be competitive, and they know they're not really going to be competitive, but that's kind of a cool idea. I was like, yeah, this, this skiing is all great, but how about you? All right, so here's. Here's some more specifics. Okay. It combines the endurance of Nordic skiing with a daring of alpine racing with a pinch of NASCAR pit crew feeling. At the top, a ski mo race begins. They start with carpet like strips called skins on the bottom of their skis, which help them grip the snow as they race uphill. As if cross country skiing wasn't enough of an aerobic test of pain tolerance, let's make it harder and race uphill as racers. Near the top of the ski mo course, there will be a section too steep for skis. So racers hop out of their skis, throw them on their back, and hike up the hill in their boots. This exhausting section is called boot packing. Finally, at the top, racers jump back into their skis, strip off the skins with shocking efficiency, and. And then race down the hill through a series of gates to the finish line. The downhill section looks like a giant slalom race. What do you think?

[A]

Dumb.

[B]

Dumb?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Is it any dumber than. Than other sports like biathlon?

[A]

Well, why is biathlon dumb?

[B]

I don't know. Cross country skiing and shooting things because.

[A]

Like, ski boots weren't made to run up fucking hills in.

[B]

Maybe these are. These are different ski boots, apparently. I don't know, man.

[A]

I don't. Like, somebody was completely high out of their mind when they thought of this.

[B]

That's what makes it awesome. Okay, now I got confused because I.

[A]

Heard when you get to the top, you have to eat, like, four walking tacos before you can ski down.

[B]

A bag of chili cheese Fritos.

[A]

Right?

[B]

I know. I do, too.

[A]

So good.

[B]

They're so salty.

[A]

Oh, they're so good.

[B]

They're so. I know they are, but, like, it's chili cheese Fritos, and then you dump, like, a can of wolf's chili in there. Oh, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Let's go. Right. Got to do that. Yep.

[B]

Put a. Put a dollop of sour cream, bunch of green onion. Yeah.

[A]

Look at you pubbing for Daisy.

[B]

I didn't say Daisy sour cream.

[A]

No, you said dollop. And Daisy's do. Do a dollop. Yeah. You're right in line with their marketing.

[B]

That's true. They got me on that one. They sure did. I do. I am a fan, I will say, of Wolf's canned Chili.

[A]

I am too. I enjoy that. Yes.

[B]

Wolves with beans is the kind that I buy. Yeah.

[A]

I do the. With beans and I add up chopped up hot dogs.

[B]

You remember? Oh, yeah. But I had, I had whatever I got. Like, there's always something to throw in.

[A]

You never.

[B]

You never know, man. That's when you look through the fridge and say, oh, you know what would go in this?

[A]

Because little smoked salmon.

[B]

You know what? It's really good if you like hot dogs. The Hillshire farm. Little smokies.

[A]

Yes, dude.

[B]

Yeah. Like, you throw. Throw some of those in there and then you're. Then you're rolling. But when I heard Schemo, I got confused because I thought it was screamo. Okay, you know what screamo is, right?

[A]

What is screamo?

[B]

You know, it's like hardcore punk.

[A]

Oh, it's a genre of music.

[B]

Yeah, it's emo. It's like emo punk, but it's sort of.

[A]

Like kill your mother death music, but in emoji.

[B]

Right. It's not. It's not like thrash metal because it's. It's sort of. The lyrics are supposed to be emotional and introspective, but you can't understand what anybody's saying because then they'll. They'll play an instrumental thing. So it's not that the schemo is not screamo.

[A]

All right, so a chaotic and emotional sub genre of emo and hardcore features intense high pitched shrieking.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Complex melodies and often personal lyrical themes. Yeah, that sounds awesome. That sounds great. And if they do it in English, I bet you a lot of people would be happier to hear that than Bad Bunny. One guy emailed and he was like, hey, I got nothing against Bad Bunny. I just prefer my music in English, which I get because if you don't speak Spanish, but I speak somewhat. I can somewhat speak Spanish.

[B]

I speak somewhat Spanish and somewhat English.

[A]

I can somewhat speak. I can speak a little Spanish enough.

[B]

Somewhat English.

[A]

I'm comfortable getting by in Mexico. Like when we go on vacation, I'm good to do that now. Listen to his music. I just. I'm not that good to hear it and. But I enjoy the way it sounds. And I think that's. If you don't know his music, just enjoy the sound of it. Not. And just avoid like getting bogged down in the lyrics. That's all.

[B]

That's all. People are acting as if this country has never had really popular breakthrough songs in Spanish before. Like, don't you remember the whole despacito thing?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Was anybody mad about despacito?

[A]

No, just keep mouth my. Because he's not.

[B]

Because he.

[A]

Because that wasn't used for the, you know, Super Bowl. Because it's not. It's not part of the football culture.

[B]

It's just.

[A]

It's the times we live in now, Dan.

[B]

All right, here's another song I have for you.

[A]

That's all it is. What do you got?

[B]

This is a song from 1993 that was kind of big because I was thinking about this, like, all of. All of this anger over a song in Spanish or songs. How dare you go song in Spanish. Have you ever been or were you ever in your life at a sporting event and you heard the following. Dale a tu cuerpo alegria Macarena Que tu cuerpo es padarele Alegria Cosa buena Dale a tu cuerpo alegria Macarena. Hey, Macarena. Ay.

[A]

Yeah. Everybody has. And everyone has. Majority of people have danced to it as well.

[B]

Yes. Was. Was that a scandal?

[A]

No.

[B]

No. And everyone's singing in Spanish. I don't understand, like, now. It's a big. Wait. What. What's with this weird line? Never heard this language before. My God. Then there was the whole. The ketchup song from Last Ketchup. And just now it's like you've never heard of Spanish songs before.

[A]

Different times, that's all.

[B]

Okay, we can't have this. We can't have this. Well, there wasn't this outcry for the Macarena that was completely in Spanish. Maybe I'm just missing out. Maybe I don't understand. Now it's changed. Well, we didn't know then that Spanish was bad. Dare you, the kings of Spain?

[A]

Because you didn't know back then you were supposed to hate it.

[B]

That's all. And you hate it why? Because the conquistadors of Spain conquered countries that are close to where the United States ended up.

[A]

No, you hate it now because it doesn't look like you or sound like you.

[B]

That's why. Why? Oh, that's the whole point. Oh, okay. I'm trying. I'm just trying to understand, but. Okay, well, all good. So my. My marching orders for today are. AK has to speak later.

[A]

Oh, yeah, sorry. I have a. I have an answer for you on that.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I got an email. Here we go. Oh, you did? Yeah. So he'll be speaking. I'll send you the link for it. He'll be speaking via Zoom. 3:30 our time.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That's what's scheduled. Scheduled timing for 3:30.

[B]

All right. Yeah, I'll say. Perfect, perfect. You know, give everything a chance to settle out and just because the deadline passes, it doesn't mean we're not going to find out about deals. Then we'll see what else they have left to do or how if, if any of these guys they just got are going to be on the move or if any of these, these 14 second round picks are going to be on the move. And then we'll find out what the state of the Bulls tear down in the beginning of a full on tank and rebuild is going to be. But that's going to do it.

[A]

A big thank you to Josh sure of the Chicago Bulls. Always communicates in, in, in a way that it's not like a drag to respond to people. So I really appreciate that.

[B]

Oh, he's a good dude.

[A]

So many, so many years dealing with teams in this town where it just felt like they were going out of their way to do their jobs and they let you know that, hey, I'm doing my job and it's really bothering me to have to do my job for you. So appreciate the Bulls as an organization doing that in a way that's not, that's not, not such a drag to have to deal with. Hey, a couple of things before you end real quick, can I just share a couple of things with you?

[B]

Yep.

[A]

These are some baseball stuff, baseball things that I found these on, on Twitter and I, and I, I put them back, I retweeted them. But I want to make sure that you, you heard these and saw these because these were great. Ryan Spader. Listen to this, this tweet he put out a couple days ago. Justin Verlander. So follow along. Listen, get your listening ears.

[B]

I'm listening.

[A]

Make sure you listen. No, you're listening ears. Make sure those are on.

[B]

Thank you.

[A]

And don't ever take that tone of me again. I will come there and slap the shit out of you.

[B]

Well, but you're not here, so hey.

[A]

I said I will come there and do that. All of a sudden I'll disappear from this camera and show up behind you.

[B]

That would be scary.

[A]

Justin Verlander was in the league with Julio Franco, who was intentionally walked by Jim Cat.

[B]

Jim Cott.

[A]

Jim Cott, who allowed, not to be confused with Jim Carter, with Jim Kotz, who allowed a pair of hits to Ted Williams, who made his big league debut against Lou Gehrig, who hit four home runs off Walter Johnson, who was once beamed by Cy Young, who debuted in 1890, the final season played by Deacon White. Who had the first hit in MLB.

[B]

History, Who struck out Abraham Lincoln.

[A]

Isn't that awesome?

[B]

Yeah, I love stuff like that.

[A]

So I don't know. Ryan M. Spader, I've started following him, and his baseball stuff is just fantastic.

[B]

One more. There's a Vin Scully one of that, too. That's really cool.

[A]

One more I want to share with you. And this is about our friends down south, the St. Louis Cardinals. You know, they're. Have you heard about their new TV deal with MLB?

[B]

Well, a lot. A lot of the RSNs that are blowing up, they're just kind of ripping off the band aid and letting MLB take over coverage, especially when. When Bally's turned into the FanDuel offshoot.

[A]

Yeah. So listen, so here's. Here's how financially it's impacted them. Their deal with MLB is expected to net them around $20 million, which is a $40 million drop from 60 million that they got from FanDuel. And then the deal with FanDuel was a $15 million drop from their contract with Bally Sports, which was 75. So they've gone from 75 to 60 to 20. I'm not much of a business person, never owned a business, but I'm going to say that's. That's probably going the wrong direction, bad.

[B]

Direction for the old numbers there.

[A]

Yeah. And that was a tweet from Josh Jacobs. So, yeah, I just. I saw those two, and I just wanted to share them with you, make sure that you saw those. But that. That baseball one is fucking great. That's so good.

[B]

That is fun. I love those.

[A]

I do, too.

[B]

But Jim Kot's doing a lot of work there. If you look at who sort of. Who the big jumps are, another one of those guys just passed away. You see that? Mickey Lolich just died.

[A]

Oh, did he really?

[B]

Yeah. And Mickey Lolich was one of the guys. And the way I remember them and people of our age, you remember when you'd flip over a baseball card and the font was so tiny you couldn't read it?

[A]

Because of all the years.

[B]

Yeah, because of all the years. He was one of those guys. Bob Baylor was one of those guys. Where you were. Died.

[A]

Huh? How old is he? You know, 85.

[B]

I think he was 85.

[A]

And.

[B]

And. But you. I always remember those baseball cards, the guys that were still going. And you flip it over, you're like, Jesus, what the hell, man? And you see that he started in. In 1952 or whatever it was.

[A]

So as a kid, you had to get your reading spectacles Out. I did get your monocle on. You always had a monocle as a great. That would have been.

[B]

I should have. If I could redo it, I definitely would be a monocle guy. Not Monocle's Pizza. No. Remember that? Yes. Is that. Does that still exist?

[A]

I hope not.

[B]

I'll never forget the look on your face. That was really quite something. And that will do it for Dan Bernstein Unfiltered.

[A]

They are. And we do love Monocle's Pizza. They're still in it. Yeah, we.

[B]

Yeah. Let me just mention once more that for the super bowl, my bookie.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

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[A]

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