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I'm Mike King from the podcast Profiling Evil, a place where true crime meets behavioral science. I spent my career investigating serial predators and studying the psychology behind them. Here we don't just talk about what criminals did. We explore why they do what they do. We expose manipulation and control, look at how offenders select their victims and uncover the ways that they try to avoid det. You can find Profiling Evil on your favorite podcast platform. Dan Bernstein, unfiltered unfiltered on 312 sports.
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It'S Dan Bernstein, Unfiltered. I'm Dan Bernstein, so it works out nicely. Today's show is brought to you in partnership with my bookie along with our executive producer Matt Abaticola. We are going to talk about the Bears in the aftermath of the trade deadline. A wild Chicago Bull. Just how many different sort of signature wins can you have in the first seven games, especially coming off of that, that loss and that first two and a half quarters that they played last night, just a remarkable finish for them. I want to talk about a minor Cubs deal. Also in our NBA stuff, we got some more details from NBC about what the plans are for Michael Jordan, insights on excellence and what they trumpeted as his involvement the broadcast, what it is and what it isn't and what it's clear that it's probably not going to be. I also have some thoughts about last night in general that I can't wait to share. But I want to start this by showing you something and it's this. It really doesn't mean much. That's a Chicago Bulls media credential. And what it says under my name there, see where it says 312 sports, I'm saving this. I'm keeping this. And I was, I was a little emotional last night when I showed up at gate three and a half. Been a long time since I actually covered a game as a credentialed reporter. And, and I've been back, obviously hosted pre games and spent time there with these Bulls. You know, we sat there and did our show in the concourse and all that, but to actually go down to gate three and a half and have them write down 312 sports on here really mattered to me. I know it sounds like a little thing and it is, but I was proud of where this organization is and what we've put together here in a very, very short time and what is still a very, very short time and still the very, very, very early stages of what we're doing here, but to not just be there and say hello to a Bunch of old friends. I mean, old friends. I mean, going back to. I saw an old, a college acquaintance of mine, we had some conversations and one of the great veteran play by play broadcasters, Tom McGinnis for the Philadelphia 76ers, who was my CBA counterpart when I was with the Rockford Lightning and he was with the Lacrosse Catbirds. And we were sharing some stories about some road trips and some things that we saw back in the day, and we're two old men there trading war stories.
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Was he the one that brought up the Flip Saunders?
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Yeah.
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Okay.
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That was funny. Yeah, he's, he's, he's good guy. Veteran broadcaster. Just a couple things about last night, also. Zach Zaidman, his call. He. Chuck Swirsky was out on the radio call. And I left to, to come home and finish up watching the Bulls game, start watching election returns mid third quarter, and got to listen to Zach's call. He was tremendous. I think Zach is a better basketball broadcaster than he is a baseball broadcaster. He is a natural, fast, energetic, descriptive, fun. It was he. That was a national level radio call.
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Yeah. Oh, he's great on the, on the college stuff, on DePaul and I.
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Is his rhythm.
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Yeah, no, he's. He's great at it. And I've listened to more DePaul games than I ever thought I would in my life. And it's just because I know Zach and he's, he's great. He's great at what he does.
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Yeah. I texted Zach this morning just to tell him how much I enjoyed listening to him. And it was, it was just a, it was a really good call. And I thought that game was over. I had Bulls officials blaming me, saying, you know, Bernstein, you're gone for 30 years and you come back and all of a sudden we suck. You know, they're down 24 points, they couldn't buy a basket, they couldn't defend anything. So, like, all right, fine, I'm the cooler. I'm going to go in and then I'm texting with them. It was me. It was me.
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Yeah, totally.
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The moment I leave, they start. But I got, but the good thing was I got to hear that on the drive home, the brief little drive home. Then I went to the Wendy's drive through and just. I put on a clinic.
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What'd you do at Wendy's?
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Oh, dude, two double cheeseburgers with everything. Two large fries. Okay, so basically got two dinners. Yeah. And.
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But the, the, the two double cheeseburgers, that's your, that's your regular order.
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No, I don't have a. I don't, I don't have a regular Wendy's order.
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Well, not like fast food drive through different place.
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No, no, no.
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You do two double cheeseburgers at.
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No, no, no. Dave's double. I mean, these are the big ones.
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Oh, okay.
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Not the little McDonald's.
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So this would have been like Quarter Pounders or Big Mac Pounder. Okay.
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Wow. Yeah. Like, I, like, I did basically two of those. Pound. Yeah.
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Okay, so a pound of Wendy's meat.
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Dave's doubles, two large fries.
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That's good.
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Yeah, that's good.
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That's good.
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And, and that Wendy's near me is a great Wendy's. They're super. He said, listen, I want to make. I want to make fresh fries for you. Would you mind pulling up and waiting a couple minutes and I'll bring it out to you? Like hell. No, I'm good. I'm here listening to the Bulls game.
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You just jot down your address.
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Basically it's right around the corner. I said, bring it on over. But he's, he would. Ending brought it right out. Hot. Like super hot. It was perfect.
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Yeah. Then last night on the TV call to Wayno, our guy Wayne Randazzo. I thought he did a very nice job filling in for Adam.
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It's hard when Stacy's in his. It is. Fields.
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Yeah.
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I mean, it's hard.
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Every, every, every bucket gets, gets stepped on. But it's fine. I think, you know, I think Wayne understands that it's, it's part of the show.
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I'm coming. And he, and he was. But it's hard to not get that excited over some of the stuff that's going on out there. And we're going to, we'll, we'll get into that.
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Yeah.
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But I just want to say it was this. I'm. I'm saving this. It was kind of cool. And I'm, I'm, I'm planning to go see Wemby on Monday and, and go to more games. But thanks to Bull's pr, everybody there, Patrick and Dusky and Joshua and Andre and especially Beth Essler who came up, just good people and doing right at this point. By, by 3, 1, 2. So it just, they, they're, they're a top notch crew there. Really, really professional and nice and helpful. So it's unfortunately rare in modern big time pro sports to have PR departments that are often anything but secret service for coaches. Aggressive. But to have a group that really understands how the relationship with media and what it means to just kind of Be cool. They're cool. And it is really appreciated. So fun night there. Now that I've had an opportunity to digest what the Bears did and didn't do at the trade deadline. I think when I said it yesterday, when we did our special live program and just to sort of take you behind the scenes, we recorded forward progress, talked about all the possibilities. Then the moment we press stop is when the trade happened. So we went live and we had a nice group of people that got the, the alert and were live with us. So thank you for joining us live because we literally said, what do we do? Should we record something else? Should we edit something onto this at the top? And Maddie just said, hey, let's. Let's just go live. Turn it on. Here we go on YouTube. And that was fun. That was one of those days where also you remember, like, oh, okay, we can do that and people will be there for it. So thank you for being there for it. And that's, you know, we're always trying to make sure we're keeping up in the right way and getting feedback on everything that we do to make sure that we can. That we're serving you as a, as a sports network. I'm thinking that they threaded the needle with that deal. All they did was swap a pick. All they did was turn a sixth into a seventh to add a guy, a former first rounder who's 26 years old. I think the more I thought through it, I think this has more internal meaning than external. How's that? I think that it sends the message to the locker room to have done nothing and they could spin it. We don't need anything. Everybody who's going to win for us is right here. Players know better than that. They know that their depth was being tested. They know Shemar Turner's out. They know Diodangbo is out. Like those guys are down out. They're aware of that and they can look in their meeting room and see who's not there. I think adding a guy, even if it's a fringe addition, tells that team we believe in this team right damn now. And it's not over the top. They didn't. They didn't trade a first round pick. They didn't. It's not a blockbuster. It's not necessarily panicky, but at a very low cost. They were able to send a message that we believe in what you've been doing. We believe in what, in this five and three record and this coach and we're going to invest something. It's definitely Worth it for us to at least show everybody here that we believe in what's going on right now, and we're going to bolster what is happening right now. They could have just elevated somebody off the practice squad, Jamri Croma. And they could have said, we know our answers are internal. Our practice squad's better than anything out there. But. But again, players know. And when you go outside the organization to make a move like this, it does send, I think, an invigorating message to the team where they can, well, hey, hey, kid. Welcome to what we're doing. He can show up in that first practice, and Ben Johnson can stand up in front of this team, and. And. And his message can resonate that. That our. Our front office went out and bolstered this.
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Yeah. I appreciate what you're saying and what the. The thought process may be behind it. I don't know if I'm a guy on that, in that locker room looking at that move and saying, all right, this is what we need to help make that push, or this is them saying, this is the front office or the coaching staff saying, yep, we're making a playoff run here.
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Okay. But just look at it against having done nothing.
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Yeah.
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Don't look at it in a vacuum.
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Yeah. Just.
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Just on the one hand, how would you feel coming to work today had your organization done nothing?
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I get that. I guess what I'm comparing it to is what else was done around the league, and if. If a bigger name was brought in and if more was traded in the future for a guy today, I would have said, all right, this is a legitimate push. I need to. I need to up. Up, like, up my game.
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And yet I would have. As. As. As an observer, I would have probably been unhappy. Like, that's why I think there's a really fine balance. You know, neither one of us wanted an overspend.
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No.
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Neither one of us wanted them to chase this year. Yeah.
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And just by saying what I just said, I wasn't calling for that.
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Exactly. Yeah. So that's why I think it's more nuanced than that, that I think that there is. There is a level of practicality and also a level of symbolism internally. I think that there can be.
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Move.
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Move for a move's sake.
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This wasn't a move for moves sake. So do you think that this is. Regardless of the body at this point, it's saying, hey, we believe we have a chance. We needed an extra body here, and.
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We like this guy because if we.
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Didn'T think there was A chance. It would just be, let's bring a guy up, let's find a guy from a practice squad. And it was a relatively low cost to make a statement that we believe in what we're doing in this season.
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Bingo.
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Because the head coach said yesterday that we're in the mix, that we're in the mix for the playoffs.
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They're five and three. Of course they are. Yeah. No, that's. I think that is.
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No, that's, that's fair.
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I think that sums it up at a minimal cost. A nothing. A pick swap.
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Yeah, I mean a six for seven fight.
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Come on. Yeah, this is a guy that's, that's, that's frittered away second round picks.
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So now for the Bears, as it stands, they have eight picks for next year. They have their first, their second, their third. They have a fourth round pick from the Rams, they have their fifth, they have their seventh, and then two other sevens as well. So they're at eight, eight picks right now. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 7, 7. Yeah, that's where they're at.
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Yeah. And just looking at the two players too, in the Bears new edition. And then Odangbo. Odangbo, in his career, 17 and a half sacks, five, four forced fumbles, 127 tackles.
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And members of New Edition.
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And members of New edition. And then 15 sacks, two forced fumbles, 147 tackles. It's. It's virtually the same guy, which then makes it more frustrating.
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That is a three year, 48 million wait.
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So how did you get both guys? Well, One guy was 3 years, 48 million. One guy was a trade at the last minute with a swap of picks.
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Yeah.
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And they kind of tossed him in.
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Whatever you got to do.
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Yeah.
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However you got to get there. And I'm not ready to write off Diode.
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No, I'm not. I'm not either. But was hoping to see more in those first eight games. And it's unfortunate that he suffers this injury and he's out and hopefully makes a good recovery. And he's back to be impactful next year on this team as they defend their super bowl championship.
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All right. These six and one Bulls are becoming kind of a thing that win, especially after how that game looked. And it was great to. I got to talk to Billy Donovan before the game and I got to ask a question that's kind of been making me crazy. So I thought his answer was really good, too. And I didn't record. I didn't have like my phone recording thing set up there because I haven't quite figured that yet.
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You just use your phone.
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I know, but I got to figure out how to do that. But when you watch the Bulls and the Knicks and you're watching the development of Modest Bouz Ellis, did you see the number of times that Karl Anthony Towns and or Robinson just shoved Modest out of the way? Just put a hand on his back or two hands on his back and fouled him?
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Yeah, you talked about that the other day.
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I just push him.
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He needs to ham it up more.
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Well, that's what I asked Billy.
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What did he say?
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And I didn't. I said, not flopping, but do you want guys to be demonstrative enough to make a referee see something or call something? And I thought his answer was really good. And he just said that the teaching and coaching of physicality has to come first. He said, you gotta live with that. With a young player who's learning to be more physical. That stuff around the edges and sort of the fine stuff that comes with veteran time, the gamesmanship, they'll learn on their own. He said it's more important to coach, beat him to the spot, be strong, hold your position. He said, all I care about for modest is the physicality. At this point. But he said within time he'll learn that he'll figure that out. And he compared it to what is happening on ball screens now, how savvy players are seeing. They're unlikely to get around a ball screen, and the moment there's contact, they're just falling down or they're forcing the referee to call something, to recognize something, to decide something. He said there's all kinds of different places in a game where players are going to learn that as they develop and as they age. But. But at the moment, he said the first thing you gotta have is the physicality, but didn't disagree that Modest is getting fouled every time and isn't evincing the fact that he's getting fouled. But he just said he'd rather have the young player learn to be physical and dig in and then let the other stuff happen, which makes perfect sense to me. As frustrating as it is to watch, to see, like, hey, you know, Madisyn, you're getting fouled. You're getting fouled every time. But it's. It's better to have them in the mindset of fight through it, which I like. I especially like it when it comes to ball screens, too. And what Josh Giddey is doing right now, he. Is he. Last night, 29, 15 and 12.
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Yeah.
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That is his second consecutive triple double. You got to go back to Jordan in 1989 to get consecutive triple double. Really? Well, I think he had 10 consecutive because. Do you remember what happened in 89? I remembered vividly. This was Doug Collins's final year. Yeah.
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That was the Cavalier game. The shot over elo.
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It was. It was. Yeah. It was the last year. Collins. No, that was. Which year was. That was it. That was 89.
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Yeah.
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That Collins sort of dared Jordan to share the ball. He wanted him to be more of a facilitator. And Jordan, in typical Jordan fashion, was like, oh, you think? I like. He challenged him to do it. And even though they hadn't quite optimized the roster yet, if you look at that 89 roster, Jordan's like, I can do it. Don't tell me I can't do it.
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Yeah.
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He was just another obstacle. And it's like, watch. I'll get a triple double every. I can do it if I want. I get a triple double every night if I want. If this is what you want me to be, if you want me to sacrifice a little bit of scoring, because I believe it was 88 that he won the scoring title.
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Yep.
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Like 35 or 37 a game. And then Colin. And so Jordan's like, hey, I'll. I'll do everything if you. If you want me to show you I can do you everything that I can do everything. And he did. And he got to go back that.
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Far to find consecutive triple.
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Double. Consecutive triple doubles from the Bulls.
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And then, of course, the most important assist last night was the final shot. Three pointer.
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That pass. That star stuff. That star stuff.
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Yeah. You go back and watch that again. That's insane.
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It is insane because as he. As Giddy is dribbling with his left hand and as he makes the turn.
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He'S going through the key.
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He's. He's right around the. At the block. He's going hard and, you know, and straight down, looking like it's a basket attack, which it is. Which he's been doing because somebody reminded him he's six, eight. That as he's getting there, you had two weak side cuts from the wing.
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You had.
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Herder and Boozelis are both crashing down to the dunker spot. So Giddy did something I don't want him to do. He left his feet. You can't really. Even though you can't do that. I went. I thought, oh, no. But then I saw, okay, his arm is so long and that he's reaching out of bounds, and he's going to reach around the defender that closed on him and make a pocket pass to one of those two. Because both Herder and Bouzelis were available.
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Yeah, they came in clean.
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They came in to the. To that spot. But instead when what he realized, what Giddy realized in the. In the air was as those guys came from the weak side, the corner defender got pulled in by that gravity.
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Yeah, he run. Run down the baseline.
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The corner defender was closing on the baseline. And Giddy's pass is ridiculous.
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His. His hand is out of bounds. It looks like he's over the end line.
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His hand is out of bounds, and that's his left hand. Yeah. And he fires. It looked like a. Like a Michael Vick.
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I mean, it was a perfect pass.
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Like, that's all. With his left hand, he throws a dart to Vuchevic in perfect shooting position, and he shoots a ridiculous. Like the arc. Watch the arc on that and compare that to a regular Vucevic shot. He had to extend that and loft it up there, and that won the game. That. That is star stuff to make a pass like that. On the inbound from Jones, it's U Ono Carter sets up a screen kitty, races to the Basket. Fires it out. Bucks the shot. Main for three. Gucci May steps up again. The grizzled veteran steps up and hits the biggest shot of the season. Oh, my goodness. Elizabeth. I'm coming again. Elizabeth. Oh, Lord.
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Lucky Elizabeth. Oh, boy. Elizabeth's like, I'm good.
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I'm picturing Elizabeth Warren for some reason.
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I'm good. Just kind of looking over like. Just keep that to yourself.
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Yeah, you're all right.
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All right.
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So the 24 points, that was Chicago Sports Network, right?
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Yes, Chicago.
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Chicago. Yes.
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Correct.
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Wayne Randazzo, our guy, the Randazzler, who's been on this program in this spot before.
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Yes. Currently the play by play television voice for the angels. So the 24 points last night, it ties for the second largest comeback in Chicago Bulls history. I don't know if you knew this. So the biggest comeback, the largest deficit they ever overcome to win happened twice. It was 25 points. They beat the Detroit Pistons in February of 2021. They were down 25. And then November 2nd, that was the.
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Crazy Zach Levine game, right?
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Like 37.
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Yeah. Wild fourth quarter. Yes.
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And then 2005 and November 2nd, it was actually the opening night of that. Of that season. They beat the Charlotte Bobcats when trailing 25 points in the third quarter. So last night, they have their. They tie their second largest comeback, 24 points. And that's happened four times in the Bulls history where they've come back from 24 points down. Three of those four occurrences have happened against the Philadelphia 76ers.
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Interesting.
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Yeah. Not that there's anything to conclude from that. But last night and then twice in 2016, but two different. So. No. What, in the same season? Yeah. January and April of 2016, they overcame deficits of 24 points against the 76ers.
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Well, I can tell you a big reason why they did it last night, and it was a rough watch early because Tyrese Maxey, you talk about having a full bag. That guy's got a bag. He is nice. His game is really, really nice. And Embiid is embiid. The guy's an mvp. He's an absolute load. And I was having fun last night because I got to sit there and do my little diagramming stuff and write everything down and watch what they're doing and get a sense of how they're. The Bulls offense is fascinating to me. It is all perimeter ball, screens. It's all five out of 10, all five out. It's very different than stuff that I'm used to. Now, the Sixers, when Embiid is in the game. There is no reason not to have him set a screen or multiple screens at the top, in the wings on every single possession because he's enormous. He's a great screener. And any pass back to him, you can just throw it up high and he'll get it and shoot a three. He's a tough, tough, tough cover. And they were killing Vuchevic every time they were going after Vuch. They were hoping that screen would get switched. And then they get maxi on Vuch and if it didn't get switched, they would give it to Embiid and Embiid would take him. They were, they were going out of their way to find a way to isolate using, using two man game and using a 2:5 and a 1:5 screen roll to get Vuch in every single action. And the game was not going well. I want to send a bouquet in the direction of a guy who I've been given a lot of flack and certainly did it on Organizations win championships yesterday, which, by the way, Jason Goff was on OWC yesterday afternoon. We were in the Double Jason formation. And if you haven't checked out OWC from yesterday, do it.
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That was fun.
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It's a trip. It's really fun. And we were off the air. The stuff we were saying about Okoro was, was, was a little different, a little more harsh perhaps with some of the language we were using. But. And we don't have to do that anymore, actually. Okoro never stopped moving and he is going to find himself open a lot and he just has to hit a couple of threes on, on the OWC yesterday I said he's sort of the new Keith Bogans. He's that kind of a vet defensive, not a great shooter, but he can hit a couple. And he never stopped. And he got a couple steals last night when they were down, they down 24, down 19. He kept going, he kept running the floor, he kept his hands active. And that he in large part was sort of the bellwether for the comeback because the Bulls pace is so relentless and overwhelming that they tired the Sixers out. They didn't have the legs to make a shot in the fourth quarter. And Bead was getting the same shots, they were running some of the same plays. They even ran some straight post ups for him. They're like, all right, Joel, do what you were doing in the first quarter. He couldn't.
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How does that, that kind of pace play itself out through a 82 game season?
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We're going to find out. We're going to find out if it ebbs and flows. We're going to find out when Kobe White and Zach Collins get back because they're deep in their bench, man. They're, they were playing Dale and Terry serious minute first half minutes. Yeah, they got Dale and Terry out there. They were playing Javon Carter the other night. Like they're, they're into their, their deep replacement level, G league level bench. And they just called up Noah Sangay again a few minutes ago. I don't know why because I thought he was going to get a much longer look in the G League. I'm not sure why Senge was, was brought back. Maybe there's some administrative roster issues or practice issues that they wanted to practice with the team before the next game. But they're going to need a lot of bodies because people are going to get tired. But it's hockey shifts. They are running guys in waves and you are expected in a shorter shift to give everything you've got. Just like they say in hockey, if you are not coming off the ice completely winded, you didn't do your job. And for the Bulls to have active hands, deflect everything, hands up low, defensive stance, be aware where the ball is, dig the ball out. Flash double teams, they tired out the Sixers. It was like the body blows that where a boxer will understand when it's time to win the fight after he's taken your legs. And to see the Bulls understand that and to play relentlessly like that, they got to avoid live ball turnovers. They've got to make every possession matter. But they got stops late in large part because they tired out their opponent.
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I saw on Twitter last night Casey Johnson tweeted out up 20 points, 909 left in the half. And then our guy Mark Potash, he replied, betting on the 76ers to fold in any situation game. Playoff series in the Joel Embiid era is still easy money. Hey man, 24 points. Hey man, you know, looking at those, those biggest comebacks by the Bulls, I just wanted to see what, what Jordan, the Jordan era Bulls, you have to go down to 22 points was the biggest comeback under the Michael Jordan era.
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Well, first of all, that's when a 22 point lead meant a lot more. That would be like a three 35 point lead now.
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Oh yeah, because I think it's pretty commonplace for team to be down 20 in the first or the first half.
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Like 12.
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It's nothing now. It's nothing. But yeah. The Bulls December 17, 1996 against the LA Lakers were down 22 points. It was 43, 65 in the second. They came back to win that game. 129, 123. That was the, the biggest comeback in the Jordan era. 22 points.
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Well, they didn't really need to come back a whole lot.
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No, they really didn't.
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And the other thing I remember about the Jordan era, but you know, I.
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Actually, I thought it would be bigger. I thought it'd be bigger than 22.
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You know, here's the thing about the Jordan era too, is they knew how to lose.
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Oh. If it was done.
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Yes.
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They weren't going to. Yeah.
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Yeah. Why bother? Yeah. Like in the way a baseball team. I always, I always thought Ozzie Guillen was really good at this. Where if you're going to, if it's not your night, you got to understand over the course of a grueling regular season, it's just not your night. Just. That's your night.
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Yeah.
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And don't, don't get somebody hurt. Just, just take the L and go out to dinner.
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Here's one that stood out to November 18, 2023. So just a couple of years ago against the Miami Heat, this is at home, the Bulls were down 24 to 3 in the first quarter and came back to win that game.
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What year was this?
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Two years ago? November 18th of 2023. 102. 97 was the final. But down 24 to 3 in the first quarter to start that game. And again, that's like, that's nothing now where before you might be like, all right, well I can go do something else or check out what else is on. I can go back to this game.
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But better check back.
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Yeah. And NBA now today you better check 24 to 3. Yeah. They're going to end up taking the lead at some point.
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Yeah. And like I said, not every night is worth it.
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Right.
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Not every night because it takes so much out of you and often at the end you just, you rally so hard to get yourself back in it incrementally and then to keep digging down for stops and keep digging down on some of these possessions. It takes a lot out of you. So you got to look at the whole schedule. You got to look at who you have.
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Yeah. Your immediate schedule, what's going on, the next. Yeah.
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Are you in a back to back? Is somebody coming off an injury? Is somebody out of the weather that. There's all sorts of variables in these decisions.
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We talked about their schedule going into last Friday, the first of the two game set with The Knicks. We looked at their next five games and how it's going to be a real test. And now after three, they're two and one with some pretty good wins.
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I think they're going to win the East.
A
I know, I know. But, you know, it depends who you ask. Some people think they're the best team in the East. I knew you were at the game last night, so remember that the athletic, their power rankings I shared with you yesterday. They had them eighth overall, number one in the East. So anywho, I knew you were at the game. So when it was, it looked out of reach. I, I turned off and was gonna. Just checking on my phone and went and checked in. I had a couple episodes of the morning show to catch up on.
B
Hey, man, you just gotta do what's important. Yeah.
A
And then I was just checking on my phone. I was like, there's no way they, they didn't win. There's no way they won that game. So I'm looking at the highlights. You watch the morning show. Have you seen an Apple tv?
B
Beth watches it.
A
Okay, this. So this is their fourth season. I think the, the acting in this season is just been next level, really. I mean, you got next level.
B
You got some professionals there.
A
With last night, it was Billy.
B
It's Billy Crudup.
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Billy Crudup and Jennifer Aniston. Last night, two different scenes, two different storylines going on. Their acting was like, when it got done, the scene's over. I was like, oh, my God, I haven't taken a breath in like three minutes. It's like, oh, it was unbelievable. Oh, so good like that. Like, it's like award winning Reese Witherspoon. Reese Witherspoon's in it still. Yeah.
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I mean, that, that, that's an award winner.
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It's been good. Really, really good, entertaining stuff. You know, Steve Carell was in the first year bad guy. By the way, I think every, every. Is it every streaming series he does now, he ends up dying in a car accident. So he should probably stop doing that. His characters do, but it's always been good. But this season the acting has just been next level stuff.
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Okay.
A
But yeah, so I went back knowing that you were there. I'm like, he's got it covered. He's all over it. I wonder if they stole, if they kicked him out of the building yet. They did ask you to leave politely.
B
Yeah.
A
Because you were trailing. There were bulls.
B
Officials are like, this is you. You're the cooler. Get out of here. You're ruining everything. Everything was fine. Until you showed back up Brightstein.
A
Everything was going great. Bernstein, you leave and they come back, their second largest deficit ever.
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I said it was on me. You're absolutely right. It was my fault. But I'm gonna be going.
A
Who else did you talk to? You had to do more stuff than Billy. What'd you do?
B
I had a nice conversation with IO Dasumu.
A
Nice.
B
You shared a little story with him because Jason coached IO's cousin. IO's got a little cousin who is like, six years old, incredible athlete.
A
Coached him in what?
B
In basketball. Okay. At high five camp. And Jason was a counselor at high five, where IO went to high five when he was a little kid. And everybody's got stories about him because IO apparently was. If he lost. Tantrum.
A
Oh, really?
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Oh, yeah. And they now call it, like, at high five, they refer to it as a desumu. Because anytime he lost, anytime as a little kid, anytime IO lost at anything, like full crying, snot flying out of his nose, Is he aware of what.
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They call it now?
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No, I told him.
A
Okay, what did he say?
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Because I said something. Hey, man, I said, your little cousin's a hell of an athlete. So how do you know? And I explained they won the championship because Jason drew up this offense that gave him every. And it was a huge deal. I got a big trophy. And so I said, yeah. I said, he didn't like to lose. He's like, no, he does not like to lose at anything. And I said, you know, they kind of say it runs in the family there. And he looks up and he's like, oh, okay, Yeah, I get it. He said, I don't like to lose either. I said, I know. And apparently the kid is now playing baseball, and he's, like, really super into baseball and wants to pitch. So, you know, we're talking about youth baseball programs around the city and all that. And then I had a very nice chat with Andre Drummond.
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Okay.
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Because you go in the Philly locker room and nobody's sitting around. Dre, people don't realize that that's Andre Drummond, that's an og. And we talked about mental health for a little bit and just about how meaningful it was to hear some of what he has said publicly about his mental health journey and about destigmatization. I said, it's great for people to hear you say what you've said about anxiety and depression and therapy and seeking help. And so we just had a really nice talk about that and maybe having a further discussion in the future just because of how nice it is to hear some of those things from people.
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I know he's an OG, but only 32.
B
I know it.
A
Yeah, I was expecting him to be older.
B
Right. Wow. I think just, yeah, like he's not Even, he's young, 32.
A
Like he's, yeah, he just turned 32 in August.
B
Yeah. Yeah. Really, really nice guy. And I will say this, the, their rookie, Janai Broome out of Auburn, you remember from the tournament, the biggest I, he's got to be 47 years old. It made me like, I know I look old. Janai Broom, he looks like a vet. Like, he looks like the vet who's just hanging on with his last team. And I think he's 25 or something like that.
A
There is no way he's 23.
B
23.
A
He's 23.
B
Okay. Like, is he a Dominican pitcher and.
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He was born, I mean, 2002. Oh my God.
B
Janai Broom is the oldest looking 23 year old I have ever seen in my life. Like, I swear to God, if he were a baseball player, I would think he's got someone else's birth certificate.
A
Oh my God, that's great.
B
And you look at him and say, yeah, who's that vet?
A
Like, oh, oh no, that's not a.
B
Vet, that's a rook.
A
That's a 23 year old rookie.
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That's a rook. And meanwhile Noel's is only 23. Josh Giddy.
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But he, he, he looks, he looks good.
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Yeah. And, and his promo that I heard, like he's, he gets into it on the promos. He understands the emotion level. Like, this is Josh Giddy and you're listening to Chicago Bulls Barry. But he's. I like it, I like it. It's strong. I, I also, I, I noted this and well, you know, let me tell you first, if you haven't gotten new windows yet from window guys, what are you waiting for? Stop screwing around. Seriously. I know it's 60 degrees today, but it's going to be cold and you're going to regret not doing this when you keep reminding yourself to do it to call Russ Armstrong of Chicago Window guys. He's the owner. He'll come to your house and he'll look around and he'll tell you the great deal he's going to give you. And no matter where else you get quotes, he will give you the best price. He doesn't use any subcontracted labor and that you can rest easy knowing his whole crew are his people. So the same people that install my windows that did and are going to install more windows. Those people will be installing your windows. Call 847-302-9171. He's got five star reviews at ChicagoNowGuys.com and all his windows have a lifetime guarantee with parts and labor. So if your kid is playing out front and throws a ball through the window, he's going to replace the window free and you don't have to wait for weeks for somebody to fly it in from across the country. His factory where he custom makes your windows is right here in Chicago. And the good windows you see it in, in your gas bill, in your electric bill, you see say oh why is that lower? Well that's because you got real windows in your house. The double pane, low emissivity, custom made windows that, that hold the temperature in your home.
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You like to see what I see did there.
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Do it now.
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Yes, do it now. I saw this on Awful announcing regarding what we are getting from oh is this mj? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So we know that he's done well.
A
He did too. We don't know I'm out.
B
Okay. Just so he's they had this huge splashy announcement. Remember Michael Jordan joining.
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Yeah.
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And returns to the returning as a special contributor. And when, when those of us of a certain age hear special contributor we think of like Jack Whitaker or Frank Deford or Ray Gandalf. These shall not pass special essays. Yeah.
A
Well not Gandalf from Sorry.
B
Where a special contributor where there's a little work that goes into it. Yeah.
A
Like like you like a prepared interview with someone and you get a lot of great information from it.
B
Jimmy Roberts behind or like the stuff that Jen Latta does for ESPN where it's there, there's, there's, there's meat to it work in there. Yes. But apparently here's what we're learning.
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Okay.
B
So they, they gave him the title special contributor and they announced he would, he would be in that role. And According to Michael McCarthy of Front Office Sports he said Jordan could do two or three more interviews with Mike Tirico for the remainder of the entire season. Wow. Could. It is unclear according to awful announcing how much more NBC is planning to show from the first sit down. But it's now clear viewers should not expect an expansion of Jordan's role McCarthy's source says, quote, I don't think it's one more sit down. But it's. I don't think it's 15 either. If there are more interviews, they will be done at Jordan's convenience. Jordan will not appear in studio, will not appear at games two or three more of those.
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Dan, there's like 75 games left in the season. Okay, so when I hear special contributor. Yeah, this is what I'm getting. Because I spent eight years in corporate sales. That is. That is like executive consultant to the CEO. It's a guy that's been there forever, and they don't fire him. And because they're afraid to fire the guy, and they. They tell him, all right, listen, we're going to pay you a million and a half. A million. A million and a half a year. And you just kind of go do whatever you want. And I'll reach out to you when I need you.
B
If you have a thought. It's like Tony LaRusso with his note cards.
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Right.
B
And hand it over. Yeah, but come on, after all that, like, if, if, if they did this, and I'm not saying it's fraud, but if they did something at upfronts, when they go to advertisers and they use.
A
Oh, and people pull big dollars.
B
Yeah, sure. When, when the budgets are being set and they do the big splashy thing in front of all the ad reps, in front of the buyers, oh, I'd be pissed. And, and, and say, look, get on the Michael Jordan NBC train. So it's not.
A
Right now. There's nothing. It's just. It's just him being with the NBA and back in NBC.
B
It's not.
A
It's not like, brought to you by anybody. No. There's no flag. There's no nothing to it.
B
Not yet.
A
Yeah, well, there shouldn't be now.
B
But that's what I'm saying. Like, don't you feel if you're a buyer and say, hey, well, you wanted me to get on board with this because of this? Like, so when you sold me.
A
I remember when it first came out, Dan, I'll be honest, I was excited about it because, like, it's Michael Jordan. Like, how could I not be excited about Michael Jordan? Yeah.
B
You want me to answer that?
A
Well, no, because. Yeah, because you can eye roll all you want. I still have. I still have really good memories of watching Michael play.
B
I do, too. But that's nothing to do with what he says.
A
So I was really surprised, though, because I was like, first of all, what's he going to say? Secondly, why is Jordan. Like, I just envisioned him in a studio setting on a. You know, on a pant.
B
Like doing barkley at a game.
A
Right.
B
Or chopping it up with guys. You know what I mean?
A
That's. That's. And I thought, why. Why is he doing that?
B
That would have been kind of good to hear him, like, give people shit and hear him.
A
Hear the.
B
Hear the Michael Jordan red ass come out on a panel.
A
Like, we'd like to hear him after a game talk about what he saw. Like, I was like, all right, first of all, why is he doing it? Secondly, what's he going to say? Thirdly, okay, I don't. I don't know why. Like, does he really need money? What's. Is he really bored? I know he's got a lot of other things in life that he's doing. I think there was like, some kind of likeness, like a NASCAR lawsuit or something going on, or. Am I making that up?
B
Yep. It's not.
A
Is it not nascar?
B
I think it's his. Some kind of wheel racing or his. But it's like motorcycle team.
A
So then this makes sense that that's what it turned into. It's one interview that they're pulling four minute segments from, and now he may. May do two more. He may not. And there's 75.
B
He might be golfing, he might be bill fishing. He might.
A
And then the two installments we've gotten haven't done anything shared, nothing.
B
So that's all it is.
A
But congratulations, Mike. You got that. You got that money.
B
That's a big old check. Cash, homie. All he's done the whole time he on the NBA.
A
I. I've flipped on that.
B
It's like Aretha Franklin.
A
I think Tarika walked in with a leather. A leather suitcase full of money. Here you go, Mike.
B
Just.
A
Just slide that over.
B
He's got to count it first.
A
It's like a really count.
B
Was it originally suitcase full of cash?
A
Yeah. What was that? Was that Super Bowl? Was it. Oh, is that all of them?
B
What did they call it in Big Lebowski? Was it the ringer? Is that what he called the fake where he puts his dirty underpants in it and he throws that out to the nihilists?
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All right, well, I'm glad that we have that uncovered now, so know what to expect from Mike.
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The Cubs traded Andrew Kittredge back to the Orioles for cash considerations, which tells me that was part of the deal. That was kind of a rental that whatever they said about, hey, we need an arm desperately. We're not gonna keep. We promise. I don't know what's legal and what's not legal to wink at or to put in there or. Hey, this is just us talking here. If it so happens at the end of the year it's possible to get them back, would you think about us first maybe handing them back over to us for a dollar and. Yeah, so that's what that was. But let's not forget how important Kittredge was.
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He was.
B
No, he was great in their circle of trust this year.
A
He was great. And now with Kittredge being sent back to the Orioles, you have Drew Pomeranz, Brad Keller, Thiel Bar Rodgers, Brazier, and Soraka no longer part of that bullpen. So there's a lot of work for Jed to do and hopefully it's every year they scrounge up enough money to put something together.
B
Yeah, I hope he can just look in the couch cushions maybe for something that dropped through, maybe a couple of coins or something, an old scratch off lottery ticket that maybe he can just find some money lying around to put together a bullpen.
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Before we are finished today, I also want to talk about yesterday. Yesterday was a good day. Yesterday was a very good day for a lot of reasons. We got to wake up to Dick Cheney croaking, and that was already good to have a war criminal who should have been imprisoned leave the earth and make it a better place. So that was good. What happened yesterday across the country, not just in the marquee races that we know about, and not just in whether it's Sherrill in New Jersey or Spanberger in Virginia or all the way down to what happened with Prop 50 in California and the tectonic achievement in New York City. It was some more important local stuff that happened on the Bucks county school board in Pennsylvania, what happened with the retention of Supreme Court justices in Pennsylvania, what was going on in purple states, what was going on in Georgia on their election commission. And some surprises there. There were good things happening. People hate what's happening in our country right now. People on every level, every demographic across the board, the depth and breadth of the data. Men, women, immigrants, lgbtq all over the country, in rural areas, in urban areas, everywhere across this country, people are unhappy about a lot of what's happening. And what was rewarded and what will continue to be rewarded is the fight is having guts, having a voice and having a fight. And it goes for everyone. And I am saying this as a white man, I'm saying this as a privileged white man who is privileged from the moment I came out of the womb, born with privilege, of a very comfortable life. To that I've always done my best to at least try to understand what people who aren't as privileged as I am go through every day. And not just in this city, but elsewhere, but I'm seeing it, particularly in this city, that for us to be able to understand the fight matters, that knuckling under to bullies, cowing to bullies is not the way to go. To be quizzling appeasers to channel Neville Chamberlain to channel the Vichy French government is not the way to go. It might be easy, but it might help your stock price in the short term. But it's wrong. It's wrong and it's bad. It's also bad business. Something. Something's in the wind out there. Something's in the wind and it's okay to hope. You don't have to apologize for it. You don't have to answer for it. I may not agree with every single policy that Zoran Mamdani has, but I'll tell you something, that is one of the great politicians, one of the most skilled communicators I've seen in a long time. And make no mistake, I think Donald Trump is a great politician. I don't think it's for good. I think it's for evil. But I know a good politician is successful. The scoreboard doesn't lie. I know a good politician when I see one. And Zoran Mamdani is a force that man can put words together. And he is a unique voice for a generation that is pissed off. Generation Z is pissed off that their dreams have been taken away from them. They're pissed off about not having a reasonable chance to come out of college and be on track to do better than their parents and their grandparents and actually have enough resources to start a family and not be afraid to not have to work three jobs. They are pissed off. And we see it and we hear it and it's gonna matter with no apology. There's some tough talk coming from some really angry young people. And I'll also say this, and I've been debating for months whether or not that people say there's a lot of eye rolls in the Jewish community about Zoran Mamdani. But I don't think being critical of Israeli policy and some pernicious right wing Israeli policy that's not anti Semitism. And don't let anybody tell you that it's, it was a good day yesterday. Good things are coming. And the quote that I keep seeing retweeted for everybody out there. And I'm speaking, like I say, I can't tell you that I understand. 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Unfiltered. Unfiltered on three one, two Sports.
Podcast: Dan Bernstein Unfiltered
Host: Dan Bernstein (with Executive Producer Matt Abbatacola)
Date: November 5, 2025
Episode Theme:
A sharp, signature breakdown of the Chicago Bears’ trade deadline move: what it means internally and externally. Dan and Matt dive into the Bears front office strategy, locker room messaging, and what the trade signals for the rest of the season. The Bulls’ historic comeback, the realities of Bulls PR, Michael Jordan’s ‘special contributor’ role, and civic optimism in Chicago also feature heavily.
This episode centers on the core question: What message did the Chicago Bears send with their subtle, low-cost trade at the deadline? Dan Bernstein unpacks the implications—both for the team’s locker room and the broader fanbase—and explores the fine line between practical roster management and symbolic front-office moves.
There’s also lively recaps of the Chicago Bulls’ dramatic comeback win, inside stories from Bernstein’s night at the United Center, a candid take on Michael Jordan’s limited new media role, and, in classic Bernstein fashion, reflections on the Chicago sports scene and democracy itself.
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[16:44 - 34:29]
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[51:23 - 60:08]
| Timestamp | Topic/Event | |:-------------:|:---------------------------------------------------------------------| | 00:45 | Dan’s emotional return to Bulls reporting, media credential moment | | 07:03 | Introduction to Bears trade discussion | | 10:40 | The internal meaning of the Bears’ move, player awareness | | 13:33 | The trade as a symbolic gesture vs. overspending | | 16:44 | Bulls’ epic comeback discussed | | 19:54 | Josh Giddey’s triple doubles, comparison with Michael Jordan | | 24:44 | Historic context: Bulls’ biggest comebacks | | 28:06 | Okoro’s role in the comeback, Bulls’ pace and strategy | | 38:13 | Off-court conversations with Ayo Dosunmu & Andre Drummond | | 42:27 | Michael Jordan’s ‘special contributor’ role analyzed | | 48:41 | Cubs minor trade, Kittredge returns to Orioles | | 51:28 | Dan’s civic optimism, reflections on election and hope | | 56:51 | Final words on caring for neighbors and hope in Chicago |
This episode of Dan Bernstein Unfiltered will catch you up on the straight talk surrounding the Bears’ stealthy deadline deal, break down the psychology of pro sports front offices, relive one of the Bulls’ wildest comebacks, and take you behind press row at the United Center. You’ll come away with perspective—practical and emotional—on what it means to care about sports, community, and the state of Chicago in 2025.