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Welcome to episode 116 of Organizations Win Championships, a Chicago Bulls podcast here on 312 Sports, along with our producer, Matt Abaticola. I am Dan Bernstein. That is Jason Bernstein coming to us.
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Live from New Orleans.
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Sir, how are you?
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B
I'm doing well. How are you? I got a. I got a good grade on the midterm that I thought I was going to completely, completely fail. So.
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I've never seen you nervous about a test before.
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B
So what, you were freaking out when I told you that I was freaking out?
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A
No, I think, look, it runs in our family. Just not necessarily on my side of it. To say that you're freaking out about something and then you always end up with like a 95 on it.
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B
What do you mean not on your.
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Side of it, Adam?
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Oh, I thought you were saying on mom's side.
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No, it's somewhere in the family. It just. I think it may come through through my mom and I don't know, maybe it got to you somehow. But, hey, congratulations. Good. I'm very happy for you.
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B
Thank you.
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And I'm certainly happy with what the Chicago damn Bulls are doing.
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B
The hell is going.
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Shit, they're three. And oh, they look good, too.
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They're not beating bad teams. And it's not. And it's not one of. It's not one of those situations where it's just every single game they've been shooting the hell out of the ball against Detroit, they almost choked that lead because they couldn't make a three in the fourth quarter to save their lives.
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And out shooting. The Magic happened because the Magic had a horrible day. But the Magic are not a really good shooting team to begin with. They're going to need some shooting help if they want to advance in the playoffs. I will say all three of these wins are over teams I think are going to be in the playoffs.
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Yep. Yep. And with the. With. Hold on. But with the Magic especially. I know you, I know they're not a good shooting team. That's why they gave up. What was it, four or five first round picks for Desmond Bain, which is insane. Insane in the Membane. Sorry. But the Bulls didn't just squeak by. They beat him. And that's what you have to do when a team isn't shooting very well. Everything just seems. Everything just looks good. I'm. I just don't know what's gonna happen when they eventually reintroduce Kobe back into the lineup.
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Not worried about that right now. I. And this is without Zach Collins. He is by a mile. Their Best backup.
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Big. Yeah.
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He's so much better than Jalen Smith.
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Jalen Smith had a good game against Orlando, though.
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He did. He was not good in the last game. He was kicking the ball over the place.
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He only played seven minutes, though.
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He was bad.
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He was bad.
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And I, I would love for. Well, we'll get to this. Let's just, let's just set this up because I think the win over the Hawks was incredibly impressive. The Hawks are good.
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Yeah.
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Oh, defensively, they close out under control. They know what you're running. Quinn has them running all kinds of really cool looking half court offense. They're outside, out of bounds and baseline. Out of bounds plays are excellent. They're a tight ship. And Dyson Daniels is an absolute maniac.
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Yep.
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Unbelievable.
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He only shot 1 of 8.
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I don't care.
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But he had seven rebounds and three steals. He just, he is everywhere. They call him the Great Barrier Thief for a reason. It's a great, great nickname. It's a cute name. And with the addition of Porzingis, that team's legit. And I've been high on Jalen Johnson for the past couple of years just because of his athleticism. And he's starting to get a real feel for the game and knowing when to not just go all the time. And that's something you like. When somebody's young and they're coming into the league, it's okay to be a little bit crazy sometimes.
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Oh, I'd much rather. I'd much rather have that than the Patrick Williams problem.
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Although he hasn't been much of a problem.
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We're gonna get to that. I've got a whole, I got a whole segment devoted to Patrick.
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B
Right. But Jalen Johnson's a beast. He's big and fast and, and he was coming into the game questionable, I believe, with something and it didn't look like it.
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No, they're nasty. And when you see the way the Hawks are playing sort of ultra post modern basketball with rim protection, with floor runners and Okongwu.
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B
Yeah.
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He had two of the three threes that he took.
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That. You know what it reminds me of?
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Miles Turner.
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B
No, no, no, no, no. I'm just gonna say Isaiah Stewart, in the first game for the pistons, he went 2 of 2 from 3 for 20 points and he scored 20. Where the hell did that come from?
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Well, Stewart's right. You look. I look at Isaiah Stewart, it's like a rugged defensive banger type, you know?
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Yeah. And he's making threes.
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Yeah. And I will say too Trae Young's game is pissing me off less than it used to.
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B
Really?
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Yeah. I think maybe it's just his maturity. I think it's the officiating. I think once they started taking out his stupid silly tricking guys and kicking his legs out. Once they started officiating the leg kick and officiating the make the guy run into you thing and using screen roll to make a guy swing through your arms thing like the hardened stuff, I think they taking that out of his game has made him a hell of a lot easier to watch. But him shooting 1 for 10 from 3 point range helped.
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That certainly did. However, he has some of the best outlet passes I've seen since early Bulls. Lonzo and Trey. Young's a better player in Lonzo ball and always has been. It's Trae Young and he gets hated on and I don't like his game either. But he's a very productive NBA player and his touch on those outlet passes. I wish Caleb Williams had.
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Don't even get me started. Don't go to the don't. We can't bring up the Caleb Williams problem.
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B
Rage bearsing you.
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The Bulls had eight guys in double figures just incredibly balanced. And I know this sounds basic, but the truth of what they're doing from my perspective in these three games is executing. They're not star reliant, they're playing almost like collegiately they have. Their bench has been outstanding. There's no drop off into the second unit. They are matchup aware. Their spacing. Their spacing has been impeccable and I think that was shown when they were still able to generate some shots with the quality of closeouts that Atlanta was getting. There were a couple times where I was just screaming for a creator of somebody to just put the ball on the floor and get an angle and they miss that. Without Kobe, they do. Their defense might be a little better, but they were missing some shot creation I think. But boy, when they were running. I think it's called pistol and that's the five out that they run.
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Okay.
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While all game Stacy's clamoring for post ups and it makes me want to throw stuff at my TV because like no, you want points in the paint, but you don't want them from post ups.
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You want them from layups and dunks and alley penetration.
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Penetration, penetration driving. That's where you get collapses. That's. That's how you get the open threes to rotation basketball. And I believe they call it pistol, but it's a five out formation that involves A pass to a big at the foul line extended and. And then there's. There could be a screen roll, pinch post action off of that. Or it could be flipped over to the other side. Now what the Hawks were doing. And the Bulls have to be careful. They challenge every guard to guard pass. Everyone could be an odd man rush. It's like in hockey. It's like the guy who intercepts D to D pass.
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Dyson Daniels is.
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No, I know, I know. So they can't be lazy with that pass. They got to really snap it. But what I really like about some of those actions is even though it's a new half court, sort of modern NBA look without a big in there, the whole five out. The principles are almost identical to old fashioned Bulls triple post. And when Phil Jackson would call open, sometimes when the spacing was bad, he would say open. And they would make every spot in their basic offense wider. And that's what this looks like to me. Where there is like I say pinch post action, which is like that, that little handoff rub kind of thing, there is split post action. And that's where you see the ball go in. And then the corner makes a baseline cut and the wing makes a top cut. And they both cut at the same time off of the post. That's basic split post stuff. There's. They're not reinventing the wheel with it, but with the, the modern idea of. Of keeping the lane unclogged and providing those angles. They were. They were getting downhill action toward the basket. And in the modern NBA, everything starts off that.
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Yep. Yep. And a guy that has been really successful getting downhill. Not so much against Orlando that he kind of had a dud. But modest Bouzelis has really shown some serious flashes. And he had that one poster, I believe it was over. Isaiah Stewart against the Pistons.
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Yeah. Where he kind of threw it in at the end.
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Yeah. Cause he. Stewart got a piece of it. But I think part of that could just be him getting stronger or a little bit of puck luck, you know. But you went on a rant. Just let me go first.
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I am. I'm just. That deep breath was.
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That was about. You were about to talk, right?
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Just talk.
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And no, I can't help myself by giving you strays. I literally. I did it in a Tulane Hullabaloo article.
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Yeah, I know you did. You can't go 30 seconds up being a penis.
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Who do I get it from? I don't know.
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Your mother.
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That's not true. And that one reverse dunk he had last Night was pretty sweet. He did step on the baseline a little bit. Oh, yeah.
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Oh, okay.
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His foot hits the white and it's pretty clear. Oh, I didn't know that. Okay. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Even Stacy in the second or third replay, in the middle of it is, give me my poster machine. Oh, Lord. In the middle of it, he goes, oh.
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Well, they don't see it. They don't see it. Yeah.
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So, however, it was a pretty sick highlight. It wasn't quite like what Victor Wembanyama did with his reverse dunk. We have to talk about him for a second. We'll do that later.
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No, I want to save him after we finish up with some bull Stu. I have a whole bunch of NBA.
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Like, league notes, and I. We need to talk about that guy. Yeah. Because the highlights look like AI, not AI looks like 2K.
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They don't look real. The highlights do not look.
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All right.
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It looks like somebody messed up.
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Let's stop foaming at the mouth for Victor Webman. No, no, he's. No, we'll save it for later. We'll save it for later. Okay.
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I think Patrick Williams a better basketball player than Isaac Okoro.
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Yes.
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He's just. He's better. He's better and he's bigger.
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He's. He's better and he is a better.
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Shooter with his offhand. And I know Okoro is, like, sporty defense, though.
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Yeah.
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But what pissed me off about him was in the fourth quarter, there were a couple of possessions. I don't know. How many shot clock violations were there? Four, three or four. Where they just got beat up. And all I'm thinking is Okoros being asked to basically be a more talented Javante. Just that move. Don't stop moving. Cut, hustle, just. And they were. And he was standing there, like, waiting for the ball to get to him. When you're on the opposite wing, you're on the. You're the weak side wing. You got one job move. Cut.
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Yeah.
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That's all you could do.
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He's not as athletic as Javante is, though.
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No, but he's stronger. Yeah.
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Don't hate on my king.
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I'm not hating you kids with your hating. It's criticizing or saying somebody stronger than somebody else.
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Doesn't mean.
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It doesn't mean I'm hating that guy.
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Mata son Javante a couple of times in the Pistons game.
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Yeah, I know.
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He did a total job. To think modestly.
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Go away. That's all right. You can still love him. Now you're.
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Were you hating him?
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Were You. Were you a hater?
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No, that's not hating him. Well, I'm just saying don't talk about my king like that.
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Oh, sorry.
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Glorious king.
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I. I can't figure out the okoro thing, and maybe they're still trying to figure out the okoro.
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I like Williams off the bench, though.
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I like whatever he's doing.
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I don't. I like him in that second unit. This. So far, he's been the best player on the second unit.
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No. Trey Jones.
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Trey Jones is a starter right now.
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But he is your second unit guard.
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Correct. But I'm saying so far.
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Okay, okay.
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Trey Jones has been starting and he's. I wanted to have a talk about him, too. I do, too. You look better than his brother.
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Well, I am very. Let me just say I'm excited about Patrick Williams. I'm not falling into the trap of thinking that this portends a return to.
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His trajectory, but if you're paying $18 million a year for a guy who's efficient from the three, gets a couple of blocks a game and gets 12, 8, and 4. Mm, that's it. That's a. In this league, that's a worthy expenditure of $18 million. People pay you to do that.
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He was putting the ball on the floor. He was recognizing mismatches. He was realizing how quick and strong he can be, diving for loose balls, making, you know, trying to get after 50, 50 stuff, defending without fouling. And I. I love the way he was also jumping in without the ball, like those really quick little turnaround jumps toward the basket and making a good target.
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I love that he's. He's moving a lot more off the ball and with the ball, he's taking a little bit more initiative. And something I noticed in the first game, and he is the first game, he was not great, but he was still active. He was. I remember seeing the comments on Instagram after, and people were saying, oh, my God, Patrick sucks. Patrick sucks. Patrick sucks. And that's just because he didn't score. He was still very good defensively in that game. And he had a clutch three. A clutch pull up three. That looked really smooth. But I remember, I think he was fouled by Isaiah Stewart or something. There was a little bit of pushing and shoving and elbowing, whatever, because it's Isaiah Stewart. That's what he does. Williams got up and hold right back. Yep. That was the first time he made a. He changed his facial expression. And I was just thinking, okay, Pat, I like this. I like angry, Pat. You gotta get angry.
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You gotta get Mean, that's the only way. I mean, it's not really in his nature, but I like it.
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You've gotta. Yeah, yeah.
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The Playmates did, too. It looked like some teammates were trying not to smile.
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Cause they're like, oh, Flower boy looking.
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Ferdinand the Bull. Feeling it a little bit. I like it. You mentioned Trey Jones. So the notes that I. And I was talking with a.
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He's an NBA point guard or NBA guard.
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I was talking with somebody else. I can read you the exact text that I was exchanging. I'm not going to say with whom, but it's somebody within the. Within the Bulls organization.
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Oh, I think I have an idea.
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Whoever, whatever. So I was just saying. I said, Tre Jones is a decent second unit point guard. A savvy kid whose game grows on you.
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Yeah. What did John Doe say?
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What was sent back to me was, he's also one of the nicest people you'll ever meet. Aw, isn't that queef?
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Isn't that queef cute?
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Cute. I was gonna say sweet and cute, and it came up.
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He always said queef, so queef.
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It was not. It was cute for him to say that, but he is a. He can't. He doesn't shoot all that well. I. He was cowed out of his shot a couple times by Porzingis coming out there like.
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And he was.
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He was about to raise up and then saw Porzingis even standing like 10ft away.
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Speaking of Porzingis, for Porzingis to be that good and Wemby to be that much better and taller, that it's. Yeah, I know.
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Well, Wemby's a guard.
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Eddie 7 5.
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He's a guard.
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That clip of him blocking two shots in a row, somebody getting a rebound. It's a loose ball and he just snatches it out of midair and he pulls up from the logo and it just. And it just bottoms. Did you see that?
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How about the one in the first game? Oh, wait, he did the same thing. And then. Yeah, no, the crossover. Yeah, the crossover.
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Shuffle backstep on Derek Lively. That was an end one.
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Yeah. No, the three.
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Yes, that. That was an and one.
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Unbelievable. Unbelievable. What he's doing. Lively was.
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And there was. There was one time he was taking it up the floor. I think I'm. I'm a little bit upset that I didn't go to the game because they were in the tickets. Were he. He's making the tickets more expensive.
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Oh, gee. Amazing how that works.
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But I was just thinking, no, I don't want to spend $40 to get a nosebleed seat in New Orleans.
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I spent $40 on a leopard print vest a week ago.
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Yeah, but that wasn't my money, so.
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Oh, that's right. I spent that money.
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God, you are crashing out over that. It got delivered today, so I'm excited.
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Put it on.
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I haven't picked it up yet.
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Oh, okay.
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But what he just.
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So Anybody?
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Shut up.
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One of his Halloween costumes is Ferris Bueller.
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Cool. I know. I don't know if this audience cares, however. I don't know if it was against New Orleans, but there was one clip of him bringing it up the floor and someone said, this is. If you combined Jamal Crawford's handle and jump shot with Hakeem Olajuwon. But taller. Well, and. And people forget, you know, you think Jamal Crawford, sixth man of the Year. I don't think he was ever an All Star, but people forget how nice Jamal Crawford was. You know, he had a 50 point game as a Bull.
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Yes.
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Yeah, like he. He had some of the best handles in the league. And he could shoot the hell out of the ball, too. And if you put that in Hakeem's body. But taller.
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The dude's 7 5. He's 2 inches taller than Porzingis. It's like Chuck. He's Chuck Nevison. He was.
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He was multiple inches taller than Derek lively, and he's 7 3.
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I know, I know. It's ridiculous. Back to the Bulls for a second. So we give our flowers to Patrick Williams. Flowers to Trey Jones.
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I have a name, too.
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What Vuch is doing right now is unsustainable. I really want Billy to watch his minutes. And I know they're down bigs. I know you're missing. Missing Zach makes it difficult, but.
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B
Say Zach Collins one Zach Collins.
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I know. Sorry, I didn't mean missing Zach Collins. I should say Collins. You're right that it's hard because I know they don't want to overuse Jalen smith. But a 35 year old Vuch, who you're probably going to look to trade, protect him. Don't let him wear down too early. These are regular season games. You're not going to win the title this year, so look out for the larger organizational picture because you don't want to grind this guy into dust.
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No, but I like some of the pieces they have. I really do.
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Oh, no doubt, no doubt. And Giddy has responded.
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We'll see how much modest develops. Get. Giddy looks good. He. I didn't think he would be able to sustain everything he did last season in the second half. And I'm not saying that he, I'm not saying that he has been doing it, but he's been pretty damn close to it. I mean, game one, what do you have? 19, 11. Game two, he. 21, eight and seven. No, 21 three and eight. Sorry. And game three, 18, 13 and five.
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And you know what he's basketball good at? He's very good at the offensive rebound bat out.
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He's a good, he's a skilled rebounder.
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Well, and that takes a few things to be good at that. It's timing, it's height and length. It's obviously the strength of your, your hands. But it doesn't take it, it doesn't take the same kind of ruggedness to get position he can run in and do that. That is a skill and it reminds one of the best I've ever seen at it. Do you remember, remember Marcin Gortot?
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Oh, yeah, that polish hammer.
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Marcin Gortat was really good at the offensive rebound bat out. I know I'm turning into Hawk Har and I'll tell you, like Carlos Delgado, the liveliest bat I've ever seen. But that was. It was. If he can continue to pick his spots, you don't want to get over the back fouls. You only get loose ball fouls on that. But the only thing I want Giddy to stop doing right now, two things, okay? Stop leaving your feet on one of those curling drives in the middle of the lane. If you are not going to shoot, stop leaving your feet because multiple times this year he's in the air and after the peak of his jump, he's still like helicoptering looking for that, you know, the perfect pass to the shooter. You don't have to find if the timing of the play is right and your spacing is right. I don't need you to find the shooter. I need you to find the guy who's going to get it to the guy who, who skips it to the shooter or the guy who is going to reverse it. Just, just make a sensible pass out. You don't have to be perfect or spectacular on that. More importantly, get fouled, get fouled, get the and one finish.
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Yeah, he's always looking for the pass. Also, I just want to point out that the fact that this is what we're complaining about. Good.
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Oh, we'll have plenty, of course, of course.
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But they are a fun to watch team. I feel so weird saying this because as a Chicago sports fan and as someone who naturally Thinks that every sports team. I root for something. Either something bad is gonna happen or I'm very. Just overall pessimistic about that. About it. I'm not pessimistic about this team right now. I'm just going to say this. Do I think they're going to win a title this year? No way. No, not even close. With the way they're playing. And I think there's so many factors that go into it, and that's the trade deadline, health and production from your best players. But why can't they be a top six team in this conference?
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They can. We said that when we restarted the show this season that.
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No, we said. We said play in for sure. You said seven or eight. You said seven or eight. That's still. I'm saying. I'm saying above. I'm saying not a playing team.
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Okay.
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Why? With how weak this conference is. You got Cleveland, you got New York. Boston looks terrible. And Tatum's out.
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Yeah, they're bad.
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And Jaylen Brown's hairline is rubbing off on OG and Anobi's jersey. Did you see that?
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No.
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So he. Jaylen Brown had, like, the. You know how the Carlos Boozer stuff. Yeah. Like the spray.
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Yeah.
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At one point, he put his head down and the Knicks are wearing white. He put his head down, kind of leans into him and gives him a little bump and his head hits Anunoby's jersey, and there's a black splotch just right here on the jersey for the.
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Rest of the game. From his head paint.
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From his hair. He was getting clowned.
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He should give some to Keith, which.
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Sucks because Jaylen Brown is awesome and a really good dude and incredibly smart. And I feel like because he plays for Boston, people hate him. But that can't happen. You can't do that.
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I feel bad for him now.
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I do, too. But he's an NBA champ and finals mvp.
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A
Do you remember when Carlos Boozer.
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B
Oh, that was. It looked like it was fully painted. Yeah.
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Don't you. I think they were playing Boston, maybe. I believe it was a home game. I think it was on national tv, I think.
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B
Yeah. The lights.
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A
He seriously, like, took a Sharpie and drew all over his head.
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B
Yeah. What are some other good ones? Oh, the den. The old Dennis Schroeder one where they put his hairline all the way back. And people are. People are calling it the greatest comeback in NBA history.
- [27:14]
A
Well, don't forget Derrick White when Barkley.
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B
Well, no, the thing is that Schroeder didn't have a Receding hairline. It was just a bad haircut.
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Barber.
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B
His barber really effed him up.
- [27:28]
A
Hey, it happens. My hair is awful right now. I don't know what's.
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B
Oh, I just. I just need a haircut to. I just need to get it thinned out.
- [27:39]
A
Well, I never know what.
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B
All right, what are we talking about here?
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A
We were talking about everything going on with the Bulls. I have a list of NBA things. We already did our.
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B
Also. I did one second love the way Kevin Herder's been playing. And I think. I think that we just have to say that he's been shooting well, he's been cutting. You hear his name a lot. And I just like the way he's been playing so far. I just wanted to give Red Velvet a shout out.
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A
All right, let me, let me just. Also, I wrote down when you said why can't the Bulls be the sixth seed? Can I answer that?
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B
Yeah.
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I'm going to give you two things that would be headwinds to an IO's good to your scenario. I would say scouting that this is a. This is a new team and after three games there is going to be much more tape and there's going to be awareness of what they want to do and when they want to do it. And I would also say potentially after the trade deadline that they're. There may be other guys pressed into service if in fact AK and Mark Eversley decide that there. There's some opportunity there and the personnel is obviously going to. So those would be those. Those two things and maybe a little bit of regression to the mean as well.
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B
So I can also with. With Vuch say it's not going to happen, but say a week from now so within the next week he keeps playing great. They trade him right now and they get it. They get something back, including some draft. Would you be okay with that?
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Yep.
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B
Okay.
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A
Yeah, I absolutely would because I think they. They could weather that and still be pretty good this year. I really do.
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B
I think Zach Collins could, could be a capable starting center for this team.
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A
I do too. And I think. I think their defense would improve significantly.
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B
Oh yeah.
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A
We know their pick and roll defense because when he's out there playing drop, when their basic pick and roll defenses drop with him, you're just begging to get. To get dunked on all the time. It happened. I said it last year. They were going to lead the league in the number of times guys like Jalen Duran and Okongwu and like Jalen.
- [29:54]
B
Duran opened that Pistons game.
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A
He is dirty as shit. Too.
- [29:58]
B
Oh, wow.
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A
Did you see what he was doing? Putting his feet out and jump shooters to land on him, grabbing jerseys.
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B
He.
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He is playing. He plays out at the. Like Lou Dort. Like, that is edgy. I mean, I don't know, it's quite, you know, Draymond, like, performative stuff. But I hate that. That thing where you put your foot out there.
- [30:24]
B
You can calling it now, but they should.
- [30:28]
A
You're supposed to always call it, but it's one thing to not quite get.
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B
Out of the way.
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A
It is another to get up under there like Stockton used to do. Like I am. He's on my watch list and I think he's. He seems like a nice enough kid, but it's like the stuff that Lou Dort does with his. With his knees and his hips.
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B
I. I like that stuff.
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A
Well, but if it.
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B
If it causes injury, that's when it gets to a point. But if. If it's just a little chippy stuff here and there where the. Where the refs can't see it. Go for it. Okay. Do it. All right. Yeah.
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A
I think I went. I went a little hard on. I went a little hard on during there.
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B
Yeah, that was a bit much. I love Jalen Dern and I do too. Always have. If he. I want him on the Bulls. Like, that dude's a beast.
- [31:19]
A
Yeah, he is. He's a physical child. Yeah.
- [31:23]
B
And if he develops any sort of an. Of a. Just a catch and shoot three. I'm not saying he has to create, but if he can just stand there and just flick it in like the.
- [31:39]
A
Like the Patrick Williams three.
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B
Yeah, just anything. Just if he can develop a standing three point jump shot, I would be terrified. I would be more terrified of him than Bam out of bio. If he can do that.
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And Bam is like a.
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B
He's just undersized.
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He's a.
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B
He's a.
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A
He's like a.
- [32:02]
B
If you four man's Embiid, you're saying.
- [32:03]
A
Yeah, if you took Embiid and shrunk him 20% and like 20% off of Embiid, it would be Bam out of bio.
- [32:10]
B
Yeah, but Embiid average, what, 34 in his MVP year.
- [32:14]
A
Like, that's why I'm saying it's like a poor man's version of it.
- [32:18]
B
What's on the notes?
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A
So we already did our Wemby dick writing and we're gonna. I think it's gonna happen every show. We're gonna all take a big ride. Everybody. We have our little tickets. We get in line and then we get on and we do the Wemby dick ride. Because that's gonna happen. Because he's awesome.
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B
I don't know if this is the clip that's gonna go up on my Instagram.
- [32:43]
A
Well, it's just honest. Why not?
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B
You could have said glazing.
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A
That's a little more. What's the difference? PG, I guess we've got, we've got four or. Excuse me, three NBA players have already put up 50 burgers. Can you name them?
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B
Reeves, one. Markinen. Yep. And who is the other one? Aaron Gordon. Oh, he did.
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A
Oh, that's right.
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B
There's four.
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A
Oh, because SGA.
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B
Oh, SGA had a 50 ball. I didn't know.
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A
Yeah, I'd expect a double nickel.
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B
I expect.
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A
Yes, you're right.
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B
Aaron Gordon. The first game had 50 burger and.
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Luca has a 49. So it's pretty wild. What's going on? This is the other thing I have notes on. I believe tonight on NBC is the second installment of Michael Jordan's insights on excellence.
- [33:39]
B
And I, I would way rather listen. I would way rather listen to Kenny Beachum. And I, I know he is a better basketball talk. He's better at talking about basketball because Jordan.
- [33:52]
A
Well, Jordan isn't here to talk about basketball. Here to talk about Jordan. And that's why this is hysterical. Like they go into his house.
- [33:58]
B
Loves himself, you know, he loves stroking his ego.
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A
Himself and stroking himself.
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B
So tonight, proverbial strokage of his. Of, of himself. Don't know what that means.
- [34:12]
A
Insights on excellence where they show up and it's this, it's this obsequious. Oh, Michael, thank you for having us here. It's so generous of you. And then he always says, oh, good at basketball.
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B
I'm giving.
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A
Yeah, you said I'm giving back to the game of basketball. I'm doing this. Only I'm deigning to do this. To descend from Mount Olympus to give back to the game of basketball. And tonight they're gonna ask him what he thinks of load management.
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B
Okay?
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A
So I'm gonna tell you. You know what?
- [34:41]
B
I have to think about this whole segment. Shout out Mel Brooks and Blazing Saddles. Blow it out your ass, Howard.
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A
Oh, blow it out your ass, Howard. I think when they're gonna ask him, they're not. Mike Tirico won't even be done asking the question before Jordan says the equivalent of I didn't need any load management. I played every game because I felt I had to give it to the game of basketball to play every game. I felt I Didn't play every game. I'd be cheating the game of basketball. And now they don't care about the game of basketball because they got their money and they got paid. And I cared about the game of basketball. I played every game. I didn't have to manage anything. I fought through it. So that's what you're going to get tonight. I can't wait.
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B
I don't care what era it is. I would love to see last year's Thunder team against one of those Bulls teams. Oh, they'd kill them. Yeah.
- [35:27]
A
Are you kidding?
- [35:28]
B
And people say, oh, they'd be soft. SGA is soft. Lou Dort plays like. Lou Dort plays like he would be on one of those teams.
- [35:35]
A
That would be such a blowout. Are you kidding? With all of that speed and that height and the guys coming like caseball.
- [35:45]
B
Is coming kind of like better at basketball now.
- [35:47]
A
Of course they are. It's 100 years later. That's like when you'd say that Bulls team would go back and play the Bob Cousin Celtics.
- [35:55]
B
Yes, The Bulls would kill them.
- [35:57]
A
Of course they would. It's. No, it's the same thing if you actually do that. So you said the 90. What was the bigger the 90?
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B
I don't know.
- [36:05]
A
Six bulls. What was last year? 20, 24, five. 25.
- [36:10]
B
So that's what, 30 years, 29 years.
- [36:14]
A
Say 30 years. Whatever it is. So 30 years. Go back. And who are the champions in 1966? That would be like taking those Bulls.
- [36:22]
B
Teams probably either Boston or. Right, Boston.
- [36:26]
A
Right. Whoever it would be. Take, take, take that.
- [36:29]
B
Maybe that one. Maybe the one LA year.
- [36:33]
A
Whatever it is, regardless, if you took the 1996 Bulls and they played a.
- [36:37]
B
Team from 19, Jerry West.
- [36:38]
A
Just come on.
- [36:39]
B
Throwing.
- [36:40]
A
Come on. That is an absolute fool's errand. Last year's Thunder would beat the bulls by 50. It would be ridiculous.
- [36:49]
B
No matter what refereeing or rules.
- [36:51]
A
Shoot, play, whatever rules you want. Everybody on the floor is 7ft tall. They got point guards that it can defend the rim. I mean, come on. Everybody on the floor can hit threes all the time.
- [37:00]
B
Yeah, the Bulls want to run into Hartenstein, Right?
- [37:04]
A
Exactly.
- [37:04]
B
And Caruso's a bitch, too.
- [37:07]
A
Come on. And they'd be like, oh, win, win, trade.
- [37:10]
B
I'm. I'm saying it now. Win, win, trade. Caruso and Giddy.
- [37:13]
A
Here comes Craig Hodges out to. Out to be the little three point guy. Look at him. Who hits threes? The other team we have, Craig Hodges. Everybody. Everybody hits threes all the time.
- [37:28]
B
Oh, okay. Sorry. Please.
- [37:31]
A
I Don't care if you're like, hey, Bernstein's wrong. Tell him to stop saying things about the Bulls. Never. Kiss my ass.
- [37:38]
B
I'd rather not.
- [37:39]
A
No, not you specifically. What the. No, I'm gonna sing. Not you.
- [37:44]
B
Freaking weirdo.
- [37:45]
A
The Bulls have Sacramento coming up next. That should be fun. It's Demar Demaring. Let him.
- [37:52]
B
Oh, 100% let him do it. And I'm going to. And he's going to get those fouls. And when every. Every single time I see the. I've seen the Kings in New Orleans, and it was demar and Zach, and it's the same team, although Sabonis. Sabonis is really good. Not defensively, but demar. Every single time he got a ticky tack call on and that was clearly a foul, people just be like, oh, my God, I hate this guy. And I was just cracking up because I respect the hell out of it. He is a damn good basketball player and a real Hooper and I think a future hall of Famer.
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A
All right, let's get to the showdown with that.
- [38:35]
B
You.
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A
We always will do at the end of every show. As you know, our.
- [38:40]
B
Just wait.
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A
OWC trivia showdown. I like this music better than the old music. Just the latest improvements in organizations win championships since making the move to 312 sports. And I've got a. I've got one you're gonna enjoy. I think I'll let you fire first.
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B
All right, I'll fire first. Mine's a pretty simple one. I just think it's really interesting to bring this sort of perspective on where the Bulls were not all that long ago. So in 2020. For the 20. 20. 2021 season. So that was the year Milwaukee won the title. And that was after that. That was like just after the bubble. Okay.
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A
Okay.
- [39:34]
B
They played the Atlanta Hawks in their season opener. They lost by 20. The team wasn't very good. Can you name the starting five from that game from the Bulls? Yep.
- [39:47]
A
Probably not.
- [39:50]
B
I just wanted. I just want to see. Because it really puts things into perspective. Okay.
- [39:57]
A
That was. That. Was that the year they had the great first half?
- [40:00]
B
No, that's the. It's the year before.
- [40:02]
A
So the year before they had the great first. So Lonzo wasn't there?
- [40:05]
B
No.
- [40:08]
A
Right. So it was Zach.
- [40:09]
B
Zach Levine.
- [40:14]
A
And they hadn't gotten Vucci yet. Markkanen Lowry.
- [40:18]
B
Markkanen. Last year with the Bulls. Correct.
- [40:21]
A
Yep. So he was there. Zach Lowry. Holy crap.
- [40:30]
B
Yeah, that's.
- [40:32]
A
Yeah, that's been. Memory hold.
- [40:36]
B
It was Billy Donovan's first season, so this is post Boylan. What? Just hearing that name.
- [40:46]
A
Yeah, you always do that to me. Zach Lowry.
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B
I can't.
- [40:57]
A
I can't even think. Zach Lowry. I'm trying to think of their draft picks. This is also like. Like memory hold for me. Who? Give me a hint.
- [41:15]
B
Everyone except for Zach Levine was a Bulls first round draft pick.
- [41:25]
A
And they're all still playing.
- [41:27]
B
They are all still playing.
- [41:30]
A
All right, Was a Bulls first round pick correct.
- [41:35]
B
All of them.
- [41:37]
A
Wait, because was Chris Dunn.
- [41:39]
B
Nope.
- [41:40]
A
Because he wasn't a Bulls first round pick.
- [41:43]
B
I don't even think he was on that team. Might have been, but I don't know. I don't think he was. No, because they had Satoranski that year. He was not in the starting lineup.
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A
They had Thomas Satoranski. I'm.
- [42:04]
B
It's a really weird year. I might go through the roster after this just for fun.
- [42:12]
A
I don't even know. I don't even know where to begin. It was.
- [42:19]
B
Oh, wait, Matt was.
- [42:20]
A
Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, Whoa.
- [42:21]
B
Wendell Carter Jr. Wendell Carter Jr. Matt tried to give you a hint, but that is incorrect.
- [42:28]
A
Oh, okay. Yeah, he was. He was. It wasn't Valentine.
- [42:31]
B
Oh, my goodness. Valentine. He was not. He was not in that starting lineup for the opener.
- [42:37]
A
All right, so I've got three.
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B
Yeah, there are some bad ones, man. You got really, like, some bad starting lineups.
- [42:44]
A
Yeah, Zach Lowry and Wendell. That's. That's probably all I'm gonna get.
- [42:50]
B
All right, well, Kobe White and Patrick Williams are the two that you were missing.
- [42:55]
A
Oh, I was gonna say Kobe, Kobe and Patrick.
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B
Who's Patrick's rookie year? Makes you really think about it. So the roster.
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A
I didn't think Patrick was there yet.
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B
Okay.
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A
Yeah, I guess.
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B
20. 20. Yeah. All right, you ready for this roster? Because this is the season. They traded Wendell to get Vouch to get Vuch. And there are some names on here. This is just everybody from throughout this season. Okay, that was rostered.
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A
Okay.
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B
Alpha Rukaminu, Ryan Archidiacono, Troy Brown Jr. You liked him. Yeah. Wendell. Wendell Carter. Devin Dotson from Kansas, if you remember him. No. Cristiano Felicio.
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A
The Giant baby.
- [43:41]
B
Yes. Daniel Gafford.
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A
Okay.
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B
My King. Javante Chandler Hutchison.
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A
Oh, Boise State.
- [43:53]
B
Yep. Luke Cornett. Look at his exterior.
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A
He's good.
- [43:57]
B
Now, Levine Markkanen, Adam Makoka. G League guy. I don't know if you remember it. He wore number 20. This is post Antonio Blakeney, of course.
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A
As all eras are defined, pre and post.
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B
Antonio Blakeney, Otto Porter Jr. Tomas Sadoransky. Garrett Temple, LSU. Daniel Tice. He had that one really good stretch. We remember Tice. The infamous heat check. Denzel Valentine.
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A
Denzel Valentine.
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B
Okay. Nicola Vucevich. Kobe. Yeah. Patrick and Thadjic Johnson. Thaddeus Young.
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A
Zach Lowery, Wendell. Again, Kobe and Patrick. Okay, good one. How about that?
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B
How about that? That is a. To think that that was during COVID makes it really. It's really not that long ago when they had that.
- [44:57]
A
Speaking of COVID did you see who just came back in the league? A Bulls.
- [45:02]
B
Oh, yeah. Mac McGlung.
- [45:03]
A
Mac McClung.
- [45:03]
B
The Bulls signed him to their G League team. Then the Pacers signed them for the to a multi year standard NBA deal. Yep.
- [45:10]
A
Good for him. So as of this start, be wearing.
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B
A Pacers jersey this year. The dunk contest instead of a 76ers or magic.
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A
As of the start of this season, I have the list in front of me of the top 10 best represented colleges. Oh, active NBA players.
- [45:33]
B
Okay. Top 10. Hold on, let me get. No, I'll just.
- [45:38]
A
Get.
- [45:39]
B
What?
- [45:39]
A
What do you mean?
- [45:40]
B
Oh, what do you mean? Let you get a notebook and a pen so I can write it down.
- [45:44]
A
Oh, okay.
- [45:45]
B
I was gonna use my phone, but I don't want people to think I'm cheating.
- [45:50]
A
Well, I trust you if you say you're not. I don't think you wanna cheat, but can you name stupid? Currently.
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B
Okay. All right, so I'm gonna. I believe Kentucky is number one.
- [46:03]
A
Kentucky is number one. Correct.
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B
I'm gonna go Duke next.
- [46:09]
A
Duke is number two.
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B
I'm gonna go Kansas.
- [46:12]
A
Kansas is eight.
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B
Eight. All right, you got three, Unc. No, that doesn't surprise me. I have to say it because it's a blue blood.
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A
That's. That. That the absence of that jumped out to me.
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B
Yeah, not surprised. Yukon? No.
- [46:38]
A
Good guess, but no.
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B
Arizona. Gotta be right. Five. Yeah. Okay, so I have four of them. I'm gonna get it. No, not.
- [46:55]
A
One of these. And their. Their spot on this list should forever put to bed what their reputation once was.
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B
I'm gonna say UCLA.
- [47:09]
A
Just UCLA's four.
- [47:12]
B
Okay. Still. All right, I'm gonna guess for that one and say the one that you're telling me is Gonzaga.
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A
Yep, Gonzaga.
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B
Because not a power five.
- [47:24]
A
Not a power five. Oh, this. Look at this little engine out there that produced John Stockton.
- [47:29]
B
Yeah.
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A
And. And the third most current NBA players. Number three.
- [47:35]
B
Holmgren, Suggs. Bunch of dudes. Yeah.
- [47:39]
A
Zach Collins.
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B
Yeah. Yeah.
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A
Kentucky. Duke, Gonzaga, UCLA, Arizona. You need 6, 7, 9, 6, 7.
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B
I hate you. Hate you. Oh, God. All right. All right, I need to. Let's. Let's get back to it. Usc. I don't.
- [48:12]
A
Number six.
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B
Really? Okay. They just. They just have a lot of names. Not Oregon, right? No, no. They produce a good amount of talent. Let's go with Memphis. Nope. Okay. I was just thinking Jalen Duran. Wiseman, I believe, is still in the league.
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A
Mm.
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B
I think so. Auburn? No. Bama? No. Okay. No, no, no, no, no. I. It's colleges. This is my. This is my stuff right here. This is my shit. Come on. Ohio State. Michigan. Gotta be. Yeah.
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A
Michigan is 7. You need 9 and 10.
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B
Michigan State.
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A
Nope.
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B
It's not Illinois. I don't think they have not. I don't think.
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A
And just. Just for context here. Oh, you know what? I think I may have given you a bum steer in the order here.
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B
What?
- [49:18]
A
I think. I think I messed it up a little bit there, because I see. Wait a second.
- [49:25]
B
You. I did a dumbass.
- [49:28]
A
No, I did it wrong. I was doing it by combined. I had it on spot rack. Under combined earnings.
- [49:37]
B
Total number of NBA players.
- [49:39]
A
Not total number. You. I screwed it up. It was. It was on spot rack, and it was by combined earnings. Dude, I apologize. Let me start this again.
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B
Of.
- [49:51]
A
For once, you were, like, starting it all over again. No, for once, you mentioned Kentucky's number one. Duke is number two. Arizona's number three. UCLA is number four.
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B
Hold on, slow down. I need to. I want to write it all down because it's a different.
- [50:04]
A
I'm just gonna say the ones you named.
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B
Okay?
- [50:07]
A
Because it's.
- [50:07]
B
It's Arizona.
- [50:09]
A
Ucla.
- [50:12]
B
Okay.
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A
Michigan.
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B
Yeah.
- [50:15]
A
Then Gonzaga in Kansas.
- [50:19]
B
Okay.
- [50:20]
A
Usc. And then there are three tied. One of which is North Carolina.
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Okay, so. Okay. And not UConn. No.
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Yukon is 15th.
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Okay.
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No, you have not named these two. So you still have not named them.
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All right, so I have Kentucky, Duke, Arizona, ucla, Michigan, Gonzaga, Kansas, usc, unc. I. It's. And you're sure it's not Michigan State? Because I just said it.
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I'm positive. Michigan State, Michigan State is. They're like 16, 17. So these are three schools that have nine NBA players.
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Seven again.
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And the other one. See, Alabama, Connecticut, Florida, and Villanova have eight. Auburn, Michigan State, Ohio State, and Virginia have seven.
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Okay.
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And these are three that have nine. One of which is North Carolina.
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All right, so Texas. Let's say.
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No, Texas has six.
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Oh. Oh, Louisville gotta be right. No, no, no.
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Louisville, where they're. They're only have three current NBA players.
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I mean, Mitchell. Wow. Interesting. Tennessee. No, I'm thinking of State Schools. And it's not gonna be Georgia, even though they've had some recent success with NBA.
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One is a state school. One is not.
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One is a state school. One is not Washington. No. No. Interesting.
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I'm gonna. I'm gonna give it to you.
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No, you're not. No, you're not. Yes, they will, because we've been bickering and you've been an idiot, and they want to hear you be an idiot. You're not gonna do this. You're not gonna do this. No. Virginia? No. West Virginia. No.
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Oklahoma. Fruit of the loom Bill.
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Fruit of the loom Bill.
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No, it's not Oklahoma.
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Oklahoma.
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Oklahoma.
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And it's not Iowa. How are you doing?
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Fine, except for crutch.
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Could it be Zoo?
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It could be, but it's not.
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Damn it. All right, is it something state, or is it just the name of the state?
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No, it is just the name of the state.
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Not Berkeley. It's definitely not Berkeley.
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No, that's not a name of a state.
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But Cal. That's a state school.
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And if this state.
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Not Nevada.
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If this state completely disappeared from the US Map overnight, nobody would care. And it would probably be awesome.
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Utah?
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No.
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Well, you said Florida. Isn't it.
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No.
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It's not. Ole Miss? Nope. Not South Carolina? Nope. Jesus Christ. And you said nobody would care.
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I don't think so.
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It's obviously not Nebraska. They don't. They don't have a lot of NBA guys. No. Arkansas? Yes.
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Okay, it's Arkansas. Now. Can you.
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Can you shout out Eric Musselman? Well, for a period of time before.
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You get wherever the other one. With nine.
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Nine times nine players. Can you. Is it a power five team? Yeah. St. John's no. Providence? No. Am I in the right conference? No. Do they have a good Indiana? No. Oh, it's not a state school. Do they have a good football team right now? Right. No.
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No, they don't.
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It's not Northwestern.
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They do not. And no, this. This is. This is a team that recent, relatively recently, was a national champion.
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B
Relatively recently. It's not Villanova. I need to go back year by year. It's. Oh, my God. I know. You went Yukon. Yukon. Who. Who won it last season? I'm sure I. I'm. Who won the college title this year.
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Didn't Florida win it?
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Yeah, Florida won it. Yeah, that's right. Oh, Houston. But they're not. No. No, it's not Houston. I don't know why I thought that.
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Close, Geographically close.
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Ah. Be VJ Edgecomb. Davion Mitchell. Yep.
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Yep.
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You got it. We're gonna go at the 2021 champions against Gonzaga after Jalen Suggs hit that crazy buzzer beater to beat Johnny Juzing to get there and then get their dicks kicked in by the Baylor Bears.
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There you go. Nicely done. Don't do it. So that's the order. Kentucky has 27 players. Duke has 24.
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B
Yeah, man.
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And then Arizona and UCLA with 14, Michigan with 12, Gonzaga and Kansas with 11.
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Kentucky will not be number one very soon, and that is because Calipari isn't there. And the Mark Pope. Mark Pope is way more into college players than manufacturing NBA players. Except for my guy, Cam Williams.
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All right, that's gonna do it. This has been way too long an episode, but thank you for sticking with us. It was my mistake and Jake, but it was. It was fun. So nicely done.
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Dumb bitch. All right.
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Maddie's gotta go.
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All right?
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He's got. He's got youth coaching to do and parenting to do all that stuff, so that's gonna do it. Thanks to Maddie. Thanks for hanging in. Make sure you, like, rate subscribe. Definitely subscribe. And the Bulls are rolling, so we're gonna be here with them.
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B
We are.
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A
Your place for Bulls and NBA talks.
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B
Shut up.