Chicago Bulls Battle but Fall Short

Summary

Podcast Summary: Dan Bernstein Unfiltered

Episode: Chicago Bulls Battle but Fall Short
Date: November 11, 2025
Hosts: Dan Bernstein & Jason Bernstein (312 Sports)

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Main Theme

This episode delivers an unfiltered, energetic post-mortem of the Chicago Bulls’ recent run—highlighting tough losses to teams with NBA superstars, a deep dive into the Victor Wembanyama experience against the Bulls, and spirited debate about modern NBA stars, Bulls trade rumors, and league personalities. Amidst in-depth basketball analysis, the hosts intersperse irreverent, personal banter and classic Chicago sports radio skepticism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bulls' Recent Performance and Core Issues

• Bulls Record & Context: Bulls are now 6–4 after facing teams loaded with stars (Giannis, Donovan Mitchell, Wembanyama).
• Stat Check (04:00-05:00):
  • Offensive rating: 15th/30
  • Defensive rating: 20th/30
  • Net rating: 18th
  • Averaging 119.2 PPG; "still playing with pace."
• Star Power Matters (05:17):
  • Dan: "When the other team has that guy... no matter how hard they try... they can keep giving it to that guy."
  • Bulls lack a true All-NBA anchor to close tight games.

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2. The Wembanyama Experience

• In-Person Impressions (06:36-07:57):
  • Dan attended to witness Wemby’s United Center debut; describes arrival as “a huge deal.”
  • “Wemby's just an alien, man.” (06:36)
  • Size comp: 7’5", as tall as Chuck Nevitt, the tallest Bull ever.
• Unique Talent Analysis (07:57-11:34)
  • Jason: “There isn’t (a real comp)… You said Mega KD? He’s Giant Durant with better hands with Hakeem [defense].”
  • Effects on offense and defense: he makes both perimeter shooters and paint attackers hesitate.
  • “He completely demolishes everything I thought about basketball.” (11:34, Jason)
• Wembanyama’s Drive & Training (11:34-13:59)
  • Jason raises Wemby’s motivation, focus, and the impact of off-season training (including with monks, humorously disputed by Dan).
  • Dan: “You don't cosplay as a monk. There’s no dilettante monks.” (12:38)
• Remarkable Early Career Stats (15:05)
  • Matt Abbatacola provides context:
    • Wemby outpaces LeBron’s points and rebounds through 120 games
    • More blocks than Hakeem, more threes than Curry (though explained by the evolution of the game).

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3. Contextual NBA Comparisons

• Curry’s Influence on Era (16:32-20:27)
  • Curry’s deep shooting changed the NBA’s geometry; Wemby compared to Tiger Woods as a “unicorn” altering standards.
  • LeBron: “transcended different eras.”
• Wemby's Defensive Aura (20:27-23:10)
  • Jason: "He's a black hole" on defense; makes Bulls and other NBA players rethink entire possessions.
  • Comedic analogy: Wemby as a vibranium shield from Black Panther.
• Defensive Player of the Year Potential (24:55)
  • Dan: “He should be defensive player of the year every year as long as he's in the league.” (24:58)

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4. Bulls’ Roster, Opponents, and Strategy

• Physical Play vs. Wemby (25:28)
  • Vucevic tried to be physical but Wemby’s length and timing still won out.
• Spurs & Bulls Player Insights (26:51-29:21)
  • Spurs are “built to last, just missing a shooter.”
  • Shoutout to Tre Jones and Ayo Dosunmu’s performances.
• Comparative Strengths: Wemby vs. Giannis (29:21-30:31)
  • Giannis has a power/strength edge; Wemby still learning physical aspects.

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5. Around the League: Game & Player Critiques

• Cavs & Bucks Recaps (31:20-33:39)
  • Bulls led the Cavs most of the game, lost when Donovan Mitchell “went crazy.”
  • Dean Wade, Jalen Duren, and Lou Dort discussed as “dirty” or physical players.
  • Jason’s take: “Every team needs one of those guys. I like a little bit of dirty play. Pause.” (33:03)
• Kings Satire (35:05-37:27)
  • Dan reads from a satirical article eviscerating the Kings for having a Frankenstein roster of mismatched, defense-averse stars.
  • Jason: “Hysterical. I’m just glad the Bulls have gotten away from that though, right?”

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6. Bulls’ Trade Rumors and Team Building

• Star Chasing: Ja Morant & Anthony Davis (42:25-44:08)
  • Jason floats Ja Morant trade idea; Dan expresses concern:
    • “I don't trust Ja Morant.”
    • Billy Donovan’s background potentially helpful for young stars, but off-court issues linger.
  • Anthony Davis hypothetical: “Perfect archetype, but age and injury risk.”
• Team Construction Philosophy
  • Both agree Bulls must avoid short-term fixes and be wary of sacrificing the future for risky stars.

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7. Interactive Trivia Showdown

• Triple-Double Leaders (44:22-48:49)
  • Dan quizzes Jason on the six active NBA players in the all-time triple-double top 10; Sabonis surprises as 10th.
• Obscure Bulls Free-Throw Facts (48:58-51:12)
  • Jason’s “deviously hard” question: Bulls with at least 10,000 career points who scored 25% from the FT line—Artis Gilmore and Mickey Johnson.

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8. Notable In Memoriam Segment (39:03)

• Michael Ray Richardson and Lenny Wilkins tributes highlight their on- and off-court legacies.
• Notably irreverent but affectionate coverage; Dan and Jason joke about aging Bulls fans and Chicago sports lore.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Wembanyama’s uniqueness:
  Jason (11:34): “He completely demolishes everything I thought about basketball.”
• On being a ‘guest monk’:
  Dan (12:38): “You don’t cosplay as a monk. There’s no dilettante monks. That is a commitment.”
• On the effect of superstar players:
  Dan (05:36): “It always, always matters in this league when the other team has that guy...they can keep giving it to that guy.”
• On Bulls’ structure problems:
  Dan (37:27, quoting the Kings satire): “This is a stupid person's idea of a good NBA team.”
• On defensive intimidation:
  Jason (21:26): “If you remember in Black Panther…he has that around him. And no, nobody in—no matter what you do—nobody’s gonna go up [against Wemby].”
• On Bulls trade targets:
  Dan (42:40): “I don’t trust Ja Morant.” Jason (43:26): “Anthony Davis… perfect archetype. There are just two things: age and injuries.”

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Essential Timestamps

• Bulls’ powerlessness against stars: 05:17–06:28
• Wemby at the United Center: 06:36–07:57
• Wemby’s absurd skills: 07:57–11:34
• Debating Wemby’s mentorship and monk story: 11:34–14:00
• First 120-game star comparisons: 15:05–16:03
• Curry & Woods “era changers” debate: 16:32–20:27
• Wemby alters shots and minds: 20:27–23:10
• Spurs supporting cast/Bulls player ratings: 26:51–29:21
• Trade rumor segment (Morant/Davis): 42:02–44:08
• Trivia Showdown: 44:22–51:12
• Kings satire & Bulls cautionary tale: 35:05–37:27

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Tone & Style Notes

• Lively, irreverent, frequently self-deprecating and comedic, with deep basketball expertise and a classic Chicago skepticism.
• Family dynamic between Dan and Jason plays out in playful teasing and quick-witted arguing—an authentic, conversational sports analysis for die-hard Bulls and NBA fans.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a must-listen for Bulls fans grappling with the squad’s current ceiling, NBA junkies fascinated by the Wembanyama phenomenon, and anyone seeking real talk (and plenty of laughs) about star power, team-building philosophy, and generational league talent. It delivers the sharp debate, nostalgia, and “no filter” scrutiny Dan Bernstein is known for—making the rollercoaster of being a Chicago Bulls fan that much more enjoyable.

Transcript

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[Dan Bernstein]

Organizations win championships. A Chicago Bulls podcast with Jason and Dan Bernstein on 312 Sports. Welcome to OWC number one 18, Dan Bernstein. Jason Bernstein. The Bulls are now six and four as they've gotten a little taste of teams now who have star players who can do what they do when it matters. Against the scra scrappy Bulls who has.

[Jason Bernstein]

A regression of the mean as well. Just. Just when it comes to everything and the fact that teams are not not just star power, that's definitely the biggest thing, but starting to make their threes at a higher clip.

[Dan Bernstein]

I think that's right.

[Jason Bernstein]

Thanks for that, Matty, by the way, check the studio.

[Dan Bernstein]

Check. What's he doing now to you?

[Jason Bernstein]

Look, look.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, thanks a lot, Jake. Well, meanwhile, before we get me. Yeah, yeah. Because you were the one who was distracted. I think that's what. He's kidding. By one minute. Yeah.

[Jason Bernstein]

For one minute, you've been doing that every single episode. You've been late to pretty much every single episode. And then when I'm late by one minute because I'm on the toilet, all that happens is you start screaming at me.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, if I wasn't screaming. Yes, you were. Yeah, I was.

[Jason Bernstein]

If there's a really good excuse for it. So you can. You can go on.

[Dan Bernstein]

If Jason sounds dumber than usual or if he sounds more difficult, confused than usual, I would like to introduce you to the first person on record who in an actual hospital accident report is listed.

[Jason Bernstein]

That's not what's in the report.

[Dan Bernstein]

Is listed officially as having suffered a diagnosed concussion due to Nintendo Wii Tennis. Do I have this right?

[Jason Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Jason Bernstein]

It was late at night on a Thursday.

[Dan Bernstein]

There were shoes all over the ground.

[Jason Bernstein]

Because I need to organize it better. So it's totally my own fault. There were just kind of shoes in the middle of the room. And my dorm room is a big square. So it's not like there's any one area that is out of reach for movement, if that makes any sense. And I stepped the wrong way, tripped on one of my shoes and hit the back of my head on a panel and I was pretty much rendered useless for a good few days, but feel a lot better right now and I better enough to watch the Bulls, so.

[Dan Bernstein]

And you still haven't given the insurance card to the hospital?

[Jason Bernstein]

No, dude.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay, what was I supposed to do? Give them what you're supposed to do. You give me your insurance card so I don't have to pay a bill for a $15,000.

[Jason Bernstein]

I wasn't thinking. I was anxious and I was confused and I was puking. There's not much that I can do. I remembered my Social Security number.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay, don't say that.

[Jason Bernstein]

I'm not gonna say it, but. Okay, well, you can say it.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, mom will handle. She's gotta call the hospital now and make sure that we don't get a bill for your CT scan and emergency care because you hit your head, because you slipped and fell because your room is too messy while you were playing.

[Jason Bernstein]

It was the shoes and I made sure. And last night when I was feeling better, I cleaned my room to make sure it doesn't happen again.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. How many beers had you had?

[Jason Bernstein]

Oh, plenty.

[Dan Bernstein]

What kind of.

[Jason Bernstein]

Oh, God. That night. I think that was just a Coors night in Corona type of night. Okay, Did I say Coors night? Yes, Coors Light in a Corona type of night.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay, well, that's one I'm keeping track of. That was a tongue twister.

[Jason Bernstein]

All right. Give me a break.

[Dan Bernstein]

Continued traumatic.

[Jason Bernstein]

You always act like you have a concussion anyway.

[Dan Bernstein]

And you probably had so many undiagnosed from hockey that you didn't tell me about.

[Jason Bernstein]

That's probably true as well. Nothing was ever this bad.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, the Bulls are not bad at the moment and they have. But they like you say. I think you're right. I definitely think there was some opposing shooting percentage regression to the mean that was independent of the quality of their defense. But now they're. They're settling in right around to sort of where they've been in the past. They're at offensive rating. They're 15th out of 30. Defensive rating, their 20th out of 30, which is still a positive net rating of 18th with that record of 6 and 4. And they're averaging 119.2 points per game. They are still playing with pace, but tell me what these three players have in common.

[Jason Bernstein]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Giannis Antetokounmpo. Donovan Mitchell. Victor Wembanyama.

[Jason Bernstein]

Star.

[Dan Bernstein]

I would say not just star. Those are people who are. Have been or will be on one of the all NBA teams.

[Jason Bernstein]

Okay. Right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Those are all. Those are all NBA players and they matter. As much as we love the story of, well, you know, they may not have a star, but look at their depth and look at their pace and look what it does. They may not have a star, but let's. Let's kind of understand that when things matter and when teams care. It never doesn't matter in the NBA, ever. It could be on a Tuesday night against Orlando on some Wednesday in November against the Pistons or whatever it may be, even though Pistons are really good team. But it always, always matters in this league when the other team has that guy and they've seen in the last three games, no matter how hard they try, no matter how big a lead, when it comes down to it, they can keep giving it to that guy. Yep.

[Jason Bernstein]

Yep. That's how it works. And God, Wembanyama so good, dude. He's so good.

[Dan Bernstein]

So that's. It's two games that I've been to now at United Center. I definitely wanted to be there last night, to be there when he arrived, which now is this huge deal. And they've got the whole like see red thing on their. When they walk in, all the cameras are there to. To document the arrival of every NBA player at the arena. And Wemby's just an alien man.

[Jason Bernstein]

Yeah, he's seven. Is he taller in seven four You've been.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, he's seven five. He's seven. He's.

[Jason Bernstein]

He's.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, he's a legit seven five. He is as tall as the tallest ever Chicago Bull.

[Jason Bernstein]

Oh, God.

[Dan Bernstein]

You should know this. I think he played two games for them in 91. Then he then was the. He's one of two guys seven four or taller who's been in the front seat of my car. Chuck Nevitt.

[Jason Bernstein]

Oh, okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Chuck Nevitt's the tallest ever bull at 7 5. But this dude is watching him warm up. I always say that that's when. When you know and you just. His handle. His feet, his. Why is it so tight? His fluidity. So with all the. There have been all kinds of comps.

[Jason Bernstein]

There isn't one. I'm sorry. Yeah, you said Mega kd. Mega kd. He's.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's Giant Durant with better hands with Hakeem. Yeah.

[Jason Bernstein]

On defense, if not more because of. Just because of his range. The thing that I noticed a million times and throughout the season. I think this happened against the Raptors a bunch too. I saw in a YouTube video, shout out Jimmy High Roller love his content. It was. He counted against the raptors. There were 11 times where there were just drives to the paint where the Raptors either turned the ball over or just didn't go up. And not only that, he makes people hesitant and they, even at the perimeter.

[Dan Bernstein]

Even on a closeout for a three point shooter, it isn't just attacking the basket.

[Jason Bernstein]

Even if he doesn't close out, they'll still hesitate to shoot and, or drive. And the thing is that we see that from Patrick Williams all the time and that it's been getting a little bit frustrating because there are some things that he does really well and he'll make a couple of plays where like, ooh, nice play, but he still annoys me. However, he's so much better in Isaac Okoro. Don't even get me started. God. But the thing that, the thing that I noticed was even Vuch, who generally is pretty decisive, shout out Jim Miller with the decisive decision making. That's, that's the, that's, that's what Vouch is really good at. He had Vuch just all over the place. And then, yeah, Vuch had a couple, couple of threes and he had a nice couple of jump hooks over women. Yama. But even then, it's just everything. They were just doubting themselves. And when he just hit those two threes at the end, I mean, what are you supposed to do?

[Dan Bernstein]

You can't really do anything. And they were, they were putting him in all kinds of different spots to start their offense. I really like some of the stuff that Mitch Johnson is doing. He's just a kid. You know, when, when he came in, Billy had his press conference before the game. And then I like, oh, that. I guess that is the spurs coach. And you're just, you know, you get so used to Greg Popovich and then you see this, this young Stanford kid coming in and bright guy, very, very upbeat. But he's doing some creative things where they're starting him in the offense. There are times where Wemby is just bringing the ball up. There are a lot of times where they're not calling a play at all just because in transition he's three strides and he's down the court. It's ridiculous. But there were other times where he was starting in the corner and coming up off a screen and then screening himself while the screener for him rolled to the basket. There were times where they were using him at either elbow and just doing some very basic one five and two five things. But, and I'm And I'm calling him the five, even though I know he's not. You gotta call him something, you know, you have. You have to find some way as you're writing down where everybody is. I could just put a big like W there because he doesn't really have a position. But it's when he swings through and shows the ball and gets ready to put it on the floor. And the guy who's guarding him is somebody like Vuch or it's, you know, Hartenstein or Zubots or somebody. And. And they're guarding a guard. It's amazing.

[Jason Bernstein]

And what's crazy. I shouldn't say what's crazy. What separates him as well, not only just being a complete alien, nothing we've ever seen before. Ever. He break. He. He. He completely demolishes everything. I thought about basketball.

[Dan Bernstein]

How so?

[Jason Bernstein]

It shouldn't be possible, what he's doing. Another thing that I think isn't spoken about much is the drive he has to be great. And I think that matters. It really. I mean, not. I think I know that matters. And I'm not. I'm not going to go on with a Michael Jordan BS or the Kobe Bryant stuff. I don't think the Kobe stuff is as BS as the Jordan stuff because Jordan was just a complete psychopath. But some people don't like basketball that much and they play like it. I remember you said Eddy Curry had a ridiculous amount of talent but just didn't like the game. And I'm not comparing them play style wise, but when Minyama trained with Akeem and he did some stuff with monks over the summer, I don't know what that did. Maybe that was for. I don't know if you saw that he shaved his head over the summer and he was a monk for a while.

[Dan Bernstein]

You're not a monk for a while.

[Jason Bernstein]

I don't know.

[Dan Bernstein]

You don't cosplay as a monk.

[Jason Bernstein]

Give me a break.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, no, you can't. There's no dilettante monks. That is a commitment.

[Jason Bernstein]

He was a special guest monk. Okay, Just give me a break.

[Dan Bernstein]

Tonight from the abbey, let's welcome our very special guest. What do you mean a guest monk?

[Jason Bernstein]

Look it up. You didn't see that he was doing something with monks over the summer.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, you can do things with them. It doesn't make you want to shut up. Okay.

[Jason Bernstein]

I think maybe it was for flexibility. I don't know what it was.

[Dan Bernstein]

What? Stretchy monks?

[Jason Bernstein]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

What are you talking about?

[Jason Bernstein]

I don't know.

[Dan Bernstein]

Was he making Belgian white ale? Was he with Gregorians. Was he with Franciscans? I don't know. Was he chanting? All that matters is that.

[Jason Bernstein]

Okay, this isn't time for Dan Bernstein shenanigans.

[Dan Bernstein]

Famous stretching monks of Tibet. You climb the mountain, and they teach you the hurdler's stretch. Stop finding Himalayan.

[Jason Bernstein]

Stop it. I've been. I've been in a very dark place called my room with no light for the past three days.

[Dan Bernstein]

Then you dreamt this. This was a concussion hallucination.

[Jason Bernstein]

Want to bet? Want to bet? Everybody's gonna clown you for that. Because I'm right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Guest monk. Did you sign the guest list for today's guest monks? Come on.

[Jason Bernstein]

But he has a drive to be great, okay? That's all that. That's what I'm trying to say is he wants to be great, and he's competitive, and he plays like he's the guy and he cares. All right? Shut demo Domine.

[Dan Bernstein]

Fark up women in Novis Requiem.

[Jason Bernstein]

I'm gonna leave with.

[Dan Bernstein]

Who's that really tall guy?

[Jason Bernstein]

Oh, that's.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's Wemby this week. He's a monk.

[Jason Bernstein]

I'm gonna leave. I'm leaving.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, you're not leaving. Oh, my God. Shut up. What'd you do over the summer? I was a monk for a while. Oh, really? You gave your life over to. To study and prayer for a little while?

[Jason Bernstein]

Yeah. You know, Want me to leave?

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, so these are the stats that Matt Abaticola, our producer, our intrepid producer, brought to Dan Bernstein unfiltered earlier today. And this is through their first 100.

[Jason Bernstein]

You can't just go back to that after that.

[Dan Bernstein]

Just. Just wait. I just want to see what your reaction is.

[Jason Bernstein]

I'm just talking about monks the whole time. Give me Malik on here right now.

[Dan Bernstein]

Or art. In their first 120 games, LeBron James had 2,680 points. Wemby has 2,738 through their first 120 games. Karl Malone had 1091 rebounds. Victor Wembanyama has 1301. Through their first 120 games, Akeem Olajuwon had 337 blocks. Wemby has 448. And through his first 120 games, Steph Curry made 242 threes. Wemby has made 274.

[Jason Bernstein]

Chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill, chill. I'm not chill with the everything. Okay? I understand with. With the hype, not the. Don't. Don't talk. I don't care about the threes. When it's. When you're comparing him to Steph Curry, that, that he is not as good of a shooter and nor will be as good. I know. It just. The, the reason why you want to. The reason why he's made more is because of Stephen Curry.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's absolutely correct. That's a different game. Curry helped make it a different game. It was not.

[Jason Bernstein]

Curry is the Island. I think LeBron's greatest player of all time. Curry is arguably a more important NBA player when it comes to the modern era.

[Dan Bernstein]

More impactful.

[Jason Bernstein]

Yeah. Change the game.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason Bernstein]

LeBron transcended different eras.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's an interesting comparison. I get it. I would say in that regard.

[Jason Bernstein]

Okay, okay. Let's get back to the, to the Wemby talk.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, wait. Let me just say this.

[Jason Bernstein]

I think I was in the middle.

[Dan Bernstein]

I know. Just hold on.

[Jason Bernstein]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'll save the Curry thought. Finish your. Your, your Wemby thought.

[Jason Bernstein]

Well, yeah, I was just going to say, especially through his first two years and last year, that he was hurt for half of it. I was really worried about that too. What was it like deep vein thrombosis or something like that? I was really worried about that. But people were criticizing him because he relied so much on a three ball. So I'm not. And I think he was shooting too many threes and that's why he's made more than Steph Curry did in his first.

[Dan Bernstein]

And he's taking 100 fewer of them now.

[Jason Bernstein]

Yeah. And that's better for his game.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, it's also like there's an understanding that if you're 7 foot 5 and you're an impossibly great shot blocker, there's no reason to spend a whole lot of time chasing around the perimeter because then it just makes you shorter. It makes your height matter less.

[Jason Bernstein]

And then he. When you can take two steps on. On Inside the Ark and dunk on someone, it's.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's nearly impossible to officiate as well because it's. It's hard to see some of the fouls on him.

[Jason Bernstein]

Yeah. Also you. You said you were going to say something about Steph Curry.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, My comp there would be Tiger woods is that Steph Curry created a generation of Steph Currys, much like the average PGA golfer is now 20 times better more than the average PGA golfer pre Tiger Woods.

[Jason Bernstein]

No, I think Tiger woods would be more of a Wemby comp. Cause unicorn wise, because we have seen people the light body type wise, the likes of Steph Curry.

[Dan Bernstein]

But my comp comes down to the number of people who said, oh, if I just concentrate on being an absolutely sick shooter from distance and I can hit it from the logo, I'm gonna have a job somewhere like that. As a bare minimum, like, I would say that Caitlin Clark is even an example of the Steph Curry influence. Yes.

[Jason Bernstein]

Oh, my God. 100%.

[Dan Bernstein]

Just. If you can really. Yeah, you can really shoot it from anywhere.

[Jason Bernstein]

She plays exactly like Steph Curry. Are you kidding me? Identical. Well, no.

[Dan Bernstein]

She's a little tougher relative to her competition physically than anything.

[Jason Bernstein]

Gets a reputation for not being tough for. Yeah, but not, like just because he's small. He's not really small. Six, three. But yeah. I think that Tiger woods is a better comp for Wemby than Steph Curry, because Steph Curry could just shoot really well. He. But he wasn't. Yes, he was doing things we have never seen before, but not quite like Wemby in the sense that it doesn't look real. You can argue that it didn't when he was hitting those shots, but especially with that consistency. But Tiger woods in 1999 was hitting a pitching wedge 190 yards. You know what I mean?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, I guess. Okay, that's fair. But you know what I meant.

[Jason Bernstein]

That's like. That's like what Wemby's doing when he's getting two blocks in a row and then pulling up from 30ft.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, let me say this, too, before we finish up the Wemby stuff. Your point about what he does to offensive decisions and what he does to. Not just. We always talk about altering shots.

[Jason Bernstein]

He's a black hole.

[Dan Bernstein]

But altering shots or. Because of the gravity. Yes. The idea of changing a shot. It's one thing to say that once somebody decides to shoot. I think there's a third category which is dissuading a shot, which is somebody who is making a foray toward the basket or heading down the baseline. And I got. I saw it in any number of times against the Bulls where somebody would get an angle, go baseline, consider. All right, can I go straight up? Can I do.

[Jason Bernstein]

Even if he wasn't going to contest it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right.

[Jason Bernstein]

He would just stand there.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right, Right. Can I use the rim to help me? And even then, that doesn't help you because he just reaches with his other hand.

[Jason Bernstein]

For the people in my generation like his. His defensive aura is just so insane.

[Dan Bernstein]

It is also a. Because there's a fourth level. Hold on.

[Jason Bernstein]

If you remember in Black Panther during one of the final fights, when they have those virtual vibranium shields that go up and kind of make a wall.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes.

[Jason Bernstein]

And t' Challa jumps over. That's kind of what. That's kind of what Wemby has. Where Stand there. He has that around him. And no, nobody in. No matter what you do, no matter what he does with his body, it doesn't matter because nobody's going to go up. And if they do. There. There was one block on Modest in the first half where the ball was at the top left corner of the backboard. And Modest is six' ten. And he just went doink and just pinned it off the glass. He made Vooch and Jalen Smith looked like little people.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, there was one moment where Vooch got his shot blocked and he got really mad and he made the gesture of, like, challenge that. Challenge that.

[Jason Bernstein]

Look at that from 10ft.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. So he's walking back toward the bench and. And the bench is looking at Vuch like. Like, nope. No, they felt like that. That was a goal 10. But no, my man, we are not challenging that.

[Jason Bernstein]

I also. I also remember when. I don't know if it was after the first or second three in a row that Wemby hit to take to tie the game, then take the lead. But in one of the replays, they. I caught a glimpse of the Bulls bench. And I don't know if it's because he's a Frenchman, but Noah Eisenge sat.

[Dan Bernstein]

There, just went, oh, Made the stink face.

[Jason Bernstein]

Oh, yeah. It was like CD Lamb when Marvin Harrison put Duron Bland on the ground.

[Dan Bernstein]

Speaking of which, that is what happened to Josh Giddey the other night. Well, last night I found this really interesting that Billy Donovan was asked about is getting in a place like, no, Josh is out. They started talking about it, and I.

[Jason Bernstein]

Think, is that a phantom injury?

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, no, I thought it might.

[Jason Bernstein]

His pride was hurt after that ankle injury so bad that he had to sit out a game.

[Dan Bernstein]

We were debating that in the press room.

[Jason Bernstein]

Although he's been through enough media scrutiny over the past few years, I feel like he can deal with that.

[Dan Bernstein]

We were definitely debating that, like, you gotta own the bit. If in fact, like, oh, oh, my ankle, then just to seal it, you'd have to sit out of game.

[Jason Bernstein]

At least it means he got low. Or maybe he wasn't low enough in his stance and that's why he rolled his ankle. But at least it looked like he was trying to defend.

[Dan Bernstein]

But Billy Donovan denied the knowledge of anything. He's like, well, I. I'm not really on social media. I didn't see much of the reaction. I was just concerned about his health because I could, I could tell he was certainly hurt, and he was being very earnest about it. Billy was. And I think it was too much. Well, no, but then Kali said something, and he know. Then Billy said, oh, I haven't, I haven't seen any of the memes. I haven't really seen the memes. And everyone's like, oh, you know what a meme is? That's interesting. We didn't know that you knew even what a meme was. And then he says something like, okay, well, then you can show me. And there's a pause and he's like, don't show me. I don't want to see it. I really, I, I, I don't. I, I really don't want to see it. And everybody kind of got a laugh out of it. But everyone knows, Everybody knows, like, how much time and effort was spent with the whole broken ankles thing and saying, you know, he literally broke his ankles because he injured himself on that move.

[Jason Bernstein]

It was, it means, though, it was bad. Williams got dunked on. I mean, yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

To close out the Wemby talk.

[Jason Bernstein]

He should be hard to do that.

[Dan Bernstein]

He should be defensive player of the year every year as long as he's in the league.

[Jason Bernstein]

Yep.

[Dan Bernstein]

There's, there's, there's absolutely no one. He, he blocks shots, he alters shots, he dissuades shots. And then he even gets into your head the moment you walk out there, like the moment you, you inbound the ball. You haven't even thought about shooting yet. And you have to be aware of where he is. So whatever you even call that, he's in your head when you're thinking about thinking of possibly shooting.

[Jason Bernstein]

I would. If I were going against him and I was the head coach, I would. And Vuch, near the end of the game, Wemby was much more successful, I think, in the second and third quarter. I don't. Defensively, Sorry, I don't want to. Offensively. His first and fourth quarter were remarkable. And what I was going to say, I think Vuch kind of figured this out later. He's way heavier than Wemby, and I know he's not weak, don't get me wrong. But he's not, he's not Giannis strength. I would just beat the crap out of him, make his life hell. Just, just.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's, it's not that easy.

[Jason Bernstein]

It's not. But you got, you have to beat, beat him physically. And I'm glad the refs were Letting him play last night, they really did. There were two other points that I was going to make, one of which being that spurs team outside of Wembanyama is built to last. The only thing they need is a shooter. Like a guy. Give me like a buddy healed on that team. You know what I mean? Maybe someone a little bigger.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'll tell you this. That late in the game, late in the game, when they had.

[Jason Bernstein]

Thanks for letting me finish my thought there. Your turn.

[Dan Bernstein]

You said they need a shooter. What else do they need?

[Jason Bernstein]

Well, I was just gonna. I was just gonna talk about their other players real quick.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay, go ahead.

[Jason Bernstein]

I was like, jesus, take a rest. But Stefan Castle and I called it. I called it. I said that that year when I saw him playing college. He should be the number one overall pick because he is great. And you forget that Darren Fox is really good at basketball. I don't forget that in my guy. I don't know. Oh. The reason why I say he's my guy is because when I play the Portal game, which is the NBA Wordle.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason Bernstein]

I always guess this guy first. And it's Harrison Barnes. I don't know why, but I always guess Harrison Barnes first. My guy, hb, he's still going strong. He's been. He's a vet, man. He's a real dude.

[Dan Bernstein]

I noticed the champ, end of the game, when Wemby was out there with the. With the four other guys and the Bulls didn't have Giddy, they were switching every screen and it made it impossible. The Bulls couldn't get an angle. They didn't have a guy who could beat his guy. That's what they miss with Giddy out that they just. They don't have any shot creation. They need shot creation, but they need shot creation with Giddy. Like, even when he's there, they need shot creation, but they. Well, it helps, but when Trey Jones is the only guy that can get past because he can't finish, and with Wemby there, nobody can finish Trey.

[Jason Bernstein]

No, I think. I disagree. I think Tre Jones was one of the best finishers last.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, no, no. I mean. I mean, going against Wemby, you can't expect him.

[Jason Bernstein]

Yep. I think he was the best, arguably the best finisher last night. Hit a couple and a couple. He had a bunch. He had what, 22, something like that. And I think one of the reasons why potentially he played. He played with him for a year and a half, so he knows him a little bit. I don't know how much that helps, but it Should a little bit. When you get to know a guy and know his strengths, what he. Not necessarily just his strengths, but what he likes to do, what he doesn't like, which side he likes moving to. It doesn't really matter when you're that long. But I think that Tre Jones is one of the best finishers. Last night, had the Bulls won that game, I would have said that Iowa and Trey Jones were the best players. They were the best Bulls. Regardless, they were the Bulls most valuable players. Kevin Herder had a great game, but Trey Jones and I assumer, were fantastic. And the other thing I was going to say about Wemby is. And I mentioned Giannis earlier. What can Giannis do that Wemby can't?

[Dan Bernstein]

He's stronger, right? Yeah. The only thing is that under. Well, no, you people bounce off of him. He can. He can go up in pause. He can. He can get it. Gather himself in a crowd and just blow through all of the arms and all of everybody hanging on him. He's. He's considerably more powerful with a more powerful upper body.

[Jason Bernstein]

More dominant, I guess. Yeah. Sense more.

[Dan Bernstein]

We're physically powerful. He just is. You know, he's like. You can still push if. If, like you say, if Wemby drop steps, you know, if he's.

[Sleep Number Announcer]

If he.

[Dan Bernstein]

You can still move him. You can't do that to Giannis, especially at full speed. When he's coming right at you, there's nothing you can do.

[Jason Bernstein]

Giannis is faster, I would say. I think full speed. He's probably.

[Dan Bernstein]

Maybe faster, maybe once he gets up to speed. I don't know if he's as quick.

[Jason Bernstein]

No, I don't think he's as quick, but I think. I think he's faster.

[Dan Bernstein]

I think that's reasonable. But. And Giannis got better at free throws. Wemby's going to have to. He only hit, what, like he went.

[Jason Bernstein]

10 of 10 from the line last night.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, but what's his. What's his season number?

[Jason Bernstein]

I don't know, but he went 10 of 10 last night. Yeah, but let's check his season number.

[Dan Bernstein]

Check it. Was he. 80%.

[Jason Bernstein]

He's. He's shooting 84% from the line.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, is he? Okay, forget that.

[Jason Bernstein]

I thought he was just heavy in 30. In 34 minutes a game, he's averaging 25.7, 3.9 blocks, 1.2 steals, 12.8 rebounds on 50.6% from the field. He's only shooting 32.6% from three right now, but I think that'll come up A little bit. He's also averaging 3.4 assists and three turnovers a game.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, let's. There's a couple more things I want to do before we get to the showdown. I want to look real quick.

[Jason Bernstein]

We have a lot to. No, I think this might just be a long episode.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, the upcoming schedule.

[Jason Bernstein]

We've barely gotten to the Cavs, and we've barely gotten to the Bucks. Well, this has just become Wemby Glaze time.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, well, the Cavs game. The Bulls ran around with a lead for the whole game until Donovan Mitchell went crazy. That was the story of that game star. Oh, yes. Yeah. This guy's. This guy's an all NBA level player. And just. It didn't matter who was on him. It didn't matter. He was just taking another step back and draining it. And when we were looking at some of the percentages at halftime and looking at where the threes were and were not coming from, and I think there was plenty of smart money that knew that Cleveland was going to pull away. I'll say this, too. Another guy who I don't like, Dean Wade.

[Jason Bernstein]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's kind of a. Because he's just kind of throws himself around. I'm. He's on my watch list. I've got Jalen Duran, and now I'm adding Dean Wade.

[Jason Bernstein]

Oh, my God.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, I mean, watch. I mean, for dirty play.

[Jason Bernstein]

And I know you got Lou Dort on there.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, Dort, absolutely. But I'm just. I'm just. I don't like some of the stuff that Dean Wade. You're.

[Jason Bernstein]

I'm gonna sound like an old head here.

[Dan Bernstein]

You're.

[Jason Bernstein]

You're such a wimp.

[Dan Bernstein]

Why?

[Jason Bernstein]

I mean, okay, Dean Wade, fine. And it's not just because he's white. It's because he's not the same level player that during. Or Dort are.

[Dan Bernstein]

Duran sticks his foot out in your landing spot.

[Jason Bernstein]

Me.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, no, no, no. That's a huge deal.

[Jason Bernstein]

You cannot be that guy. Casting threes consistently. Dort kicks people.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. I. I don't.

[Jason Bernstein]

Every team needs one of those. Every team needs one of those guys. I like a little bit of dirty play. Pause. But I like. I like some of that. Teams need it, and I. Jalen Duran is one of my favorite players, actually. I love Jalen Duran.

[Dan Bernstein]

I love his athleticism and his size and his power. I just. I don't think.

[Jason Bernstein]

If you were a bull, would you want him to be a bull In a hypothetical world?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. Yes.

[Jason Bernstein]

Thank you.

[Dan Bernstein]

Absolutely. Hypothetical or actual?

[Sleep Number Announcer]

Great.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. Honestly, but he's also.

[Jason Bernstein]

That's a dude. You could throw him Wemby. Honestly, I just think he does some.

[Dan Bernstein]

Dirty stuff that I don't like. He does some.

[Jason Bernstein]

George. Paul George said it was a story when Duran was a rookie. Jalen Duran set a screen on him as a rookie and Paul George ran into him and he fell and he was like, what the fuck just happened? And he looks up and it's a rookie. Like, oh, what in God's name.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, what should have happened is a teammate should call it out like, dude.

[Jason Bernstein]

Jalen Duran is a beast. Although he went to Memphis and I'm not really a big fan of Memphis Roll Wave, by the way. Big win the other day. I think they took my article to heart. So we'll see.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, as I said, after you wrote a column telling them to prove you wrong, that was, I guarantee, was written on every dry erase board of the football facility. That's all John Sumral talk talked about is our entire identity must be based on proving Jason Bernstein wrong. Well, why Coach?

[Jason Bernstein]

Maybe. Maybe they did read it. Some. Some of the football guys follow me on Instagram and I reposted on my story. Maybe, maybe they read it. I don't know.

[Dan Bernstein]

Who knows? I don't know. It's fun to think that they did. But then you mean that we have to be concerned about a guy who concussed himself while playing Nintendo Wii tennis?

[Jason Bernstein]

Yes, that's exactly what I'm seeing. That's true.

[Dan Bernstein]

There was an article and I don't know if you saw. Do you subscribe to the Defector, which is old Deadspin? It's like the old smart, good Deadspin guys. Patrick Redford, who happens to be a Sacramento Kings fan, wrote the funniest article you've. Every Bulls fan should read this article by Patrick Redford.

[Jason Bernstein]

And what is it about Levine and DeRosa?

[Dan Bernstein]

It's about the Kings. It is about the Kings.

[Jason Bernstein]

It's gonna feel very good. The Kings makes sense to us. Cause we're the same.

[Dan Bernstein]

It says Kings. They're comfortably. It's the most useless anachronistic hoops being played anywhere in the NBA. The Kings have made a remarkable speedrun directly into the toilet. The specific nature of their bustedness is interesting, though slightly hazardous to pay close attention to, as the operative question of their doomed season is not will they win games? But are the people in charge capable of recognizing reality? And he lists the names of the players. It says, so many all star appearances, so many bucket getters. Surely the talent level is such A group would ensure a minimum viable level of competitiveness, Right?

[Jason Bernstein]

Wrong.

[Dan Bernstein]

This is a stupid person's idea of a good NBA team. Not only are each of the supposed stars becoming increasingly obsolete as the game evolves, but they can only function effectively in specific contexts with their considerable flaws accounted for by careful feats of roster construction. Instead, they're tossed alongside each other on a roster otherwise populated by players who can neither shoot, defend nor pass, which are mission critical skills. It means the King's washed stars skills are redundant to one another while their flaws are multiplicative. Nobody can defend. Everyone needs the ball to score, a task made impossible by the presence of several other players who all need the ball, clogging up the spacing and preventing anyone from scoring. Jesus. It is absolutely hysterical.

[Jason Bernstein]

Hysterical. I'm just glad the Bulls have gotten away from that though, right?

[Dan Bernstein]

Sometimes the Kings will play an amazing 23 zone that involves the five players standing perfectly still in their respective spots, hoping an offensive player will dribble the ball directly at them.

[Jason Bernstein]

I mean, yeah, Levine, DeRozan, Sabonis, I think in the right situation could be really effective players for a good team. Levine on the Nuggets, I think that's one because I don't think Jamal Murray is that good. And now that they don't have Michael Porter Jr. To hit a bunch of threes and Cam Johnson has been underwhelming, I think that Levine could thrive there. DeRozan on some team could work. Honestly, really, this might sound like an insult, but how old is derezo now? 35, 36, something like that? He's old.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes.

[Jason Bernstein]

Use him as a sixth man on a good team, on a championship team.

[Dan Bernstein]

Second unit scoring guy.

[Jason Bernstein]

Yeah. And the things that I think his ego and you know, him being DeMar DeRozan and multiple time all star would prevent that. But I think that could be a very viable role for him. I think he would be great because that's when it's second unit versus second unit. I think two pointers are okay. And the occasional and one and foul wizardry. I think that works. And Demonis Sabonis, honestly, he's so bad at defense that I really don't know.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, let's do a real quick. Organizations win championships in memoriam. We have a couple NBA stars to remember. One of which we just found out passed away earlier today and that is Michael Ray Richardson, who was 70 years old. I don't know what you know about Michael Ray Richardson, but He started in 78, 79 with the Knicks and he made three all star teams with the Knicks. Later in his career as a Net, he was once again an All Star. In 84, 85, he'd gotten some. He'd made two All Defense teams. He had gotten voting as defensive player of the year. Really, really good player. In his era, he had some off the court issues. But Michael Ray Richardson, who at least this old head certainly remembers back in the day.

[Jason Bernstein]

There's one more thing I want to cover after this.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, Lenny Wilkins also passed away at age 88. And not a Hall of Famer once, not a Hall of Famer twice, three times a Hall of Famer. He was inducted as a player, he was inducted as a coach, and he was inducted as a member of the Dream Team. So there were three separate hall of Fame inductions for Lenny Wilkins. He'll be remembered as the. It was interesting the other night because he was the coach of that 1979 NBA champion Seattle SuperSonics team. He was a young coach at the time. One of the players on that team was John Johnson. John Johnson, who actually is from Wisconsin, by the way. Now that I think about it, I think. I swear to God, I think doing.

[Jason Bernstein]

An in memoriam and you're cracking.

[Dan Bernstein]

I think Janssen is actually from Wisconsin.

[Jason Bernstein]

I hope Lenny Wilkins isn't remembered by this moment in this podcast.

[Dan Bernstein]

And he is.

[Jason Bernstein]

I think he deserves a little bit.

[Dan Bernstein]

John Johnson's son.

[Jason Bernstein]

I hope you're. I hope you're remembered by. By laughing at other people.

[Dan Bernstein]

I do too. I do too. I hope that that's how I remembered. And I. I mean you also laughed at.

[Jason Bernstein]

Do you want to tell that story after that?

[Dan Bernstein]

Which. What? My what?

[Jason Bernstein]

Uncle Dick leave you alone?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, I've told it a million times. To be alone with your thoughts of Dick and I couldn't. Well, I looked at your aunt. It was the problem. I looked at my sister and then it was over. To leave you alone with your thoughts of Dick. There's like 500 people in there and they had to say that. But on that. John Johnson's son is Micah Johnson, who is the coach of the Spurs. So thought that was interesting. Mitch. Excuse me, Mitch Johnson. Yes, him too. Also is also buried with Johnny Red Kerr's children and is the son of Skip. Make that Chip. Somebody's dead. And somebody died in their sleep.

[Jason Bernstein]

You said something about off the court issues. Yeah, I think it's worth talking about briefly. The. Any. Any. Some of the trade stuff that's been going on with the Bulls. Just the rumors. Yeah. But you. Traffic and so there have been Two names. There have been two names, and it's been John Morant and Anthony Davis. And you've been talking about. And you said hell no to John Moran because he's off the court stuff.

[Dan Bernstein]

I said it to you off the.

[Jason Bernstein]

Yeah. My question is, if you're not giving up Giddy or Boozelis, and I know people are gonna say, well, Kobe White. I understand Kobe White's a really good player. His. He's gonna be making as much money as John Morant is next season.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't trust John Moran.

[Jason Bernstein]

What's. I get that he could be a lie. Could be. Is. Could. I don't know. It's the same thing about Jalen Carter. I mean, don't get me wrong. Darnell Wright's great. You know what I mean? But Jalen Carter's a game record different in the NBA.

[Dan Bernstein]

Rant's still a star different in the NBA, but.

[Jason Bernstein]

But the thing is that that's a move that still gets you closer to a championship, or at least it shows that you're trying to win a championship. And also, I think Billy Donovan is one of those coaches that can. And I think part of it is his experience as a college coach and winning two national titles at the college level, getting into somebody's head. And I know it's different when they're adults. John rant, still only 26, and he acts like a college kid. I think Billy Donovan could be great for him. And I don't know how he would work with Giddy, but he's a star. He's a star. And another name was Anthony Davis. I think the type of player, the archetype. I think it's perfect. There are just two things, age and injuries. I just think it'd be really tough to. To account for that. That being said, though, Anthony Davis with Josh Giddy, I think could be. I know that sounds crazy.

[Dan Bernstein]

If he were 28. If he were 20 said that, then you're talking something different.

[Jason Bernstein]

Well, then it wouldn't just. Then that trade wouldn't be possible if you're 27 or 28. Nor would he be on the Mavericks right now.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, let's hit the showdown, shall.

[Jason Bernstein]

We? All right.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'll go first this week. Wait for the drop.

[Jason Bernstein]

It's also really funny that Tiger woods is in the background. We had a whole conversation about him earlier.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. We were talking. We have been about the. For. At one point, we had Josh Giddy, who was going for a consecutive triple doubles, or he got consecutive triple doubles for the first time since Jordan was going for a third and did not get it. But he is rapidly moving up the list of all time Bulls triple doubles. So the other night Russell Westbrook became the first player he's also on the Kings became. And on the Kings became the first player to get a triple double with seven different teams. Wow. So, yeah. So I started looking at the all time triple doubles list. I had no idea there are six active players on the all time triple doubles list. The top 10. There's six in the top 10. I want to see how many can you get of. There's the four retired players.

[Jason Bernstein]

So I need to name five.

[Dan Bernstein]

I gave you one, right?

[Jason Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Russ is at the top.

[Jason Bernstein]

Yep. Obviously. All right. Jokic, Luca, LeBron. That's three.

[Dan Bernstein]

Jokic is third. Luca is seventh, LeBron is fifth.

[Jason Bernstein]

Okay. Harden.

[Dan Bernstein]

Harden is eighth.

[Jason Bernstein]

So I just need one more.

[Dan Bernstein]

You need one more? Do you want to you know the four retired players on the list?

[Jason Bernstein]

Let me. Big o.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's number two is Oscar Robertson with 181.

[Jason Bernstein]

I'm going to try to get everything. It's not going to be Kareem.

[Dan Bernstein]

Nope.

[Jason Bernstein]

Magic.

[Dan Bernstein]

Magic is for Bird. No. So you have three players left to retired. One active.

[Jason Bernstein]

Two retired, one active. It's not going to be Elgin Baylor.

[Dan Bernstein]

It is not.

[Jason Bernstein]

Okay. I just think I remember his name came up last Pod. So it was just in my head. If I can remember anything after what happened on Thursday night.

[Dan Bernstein]

You can't use a concussion as an excuse for being stupid.

[Jason Bernstein]

For being stupid. I already got most of the list.

[Dan Bernstein]

I know.

[Jason Bernstein]

Okay. One more current player. Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, no, no.

[Jason Bernstein]

Okay. It's not Giddy.

[Dan Bernstein]

Nope. No.

[Jason Bernstein]

And it's not.

[Dan Bernstein]

Although Giddy's going to get up this list real fast.

[Jason Bernstein]

Lamello. Can't.

[Dan Bernstein]

It is not okay. Oh, he's off to a nice start. Assist wise.

[Jason Bernstein]

Your mic is sounding really weird on my end, by the way.

[Dan Bernstein]

Really? Oh, yeah, it's fine on my end.

[Jason Bernstein]

You sound. You sound like a robot.

[Dan Bernstein]

Maybe it's just me sounding like a robot.

[Jason Bernstein]

All right. No, don't, don't. No, I'm not.

[Dan Bernstein]

We're not going to. I'm going to put a time.

[Jason Bernstein]

Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope. No, no, no, no. You hate when I do stuff like this. When I try to give you a hint and rush your answer just. So give me, give me, give me the respect. So shut up. It's not gonna be Steph.

[Dan Bernstein]

No. His name's been mentioned. His name's been mentioned on the show.

[Jason Bernstein]

Katie.

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Jason Bernstein]

Katie.

[Dan Bernstein]

No. It surprised me.

[Jason Bernstein]

Mention on the ad? Nope. Tatum?

[Dan Bernstein]

Nope.

[Jason Bernstein]

Just trying to think of who's been mentioned. Is he an old head right now or is he still like.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, not really. He's got 68. He's 10th star, borderline. I wouldn't call him a. Certainly not defensively.

[Jason Bernstein]

Not defensively. Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. Well, no, I believe earlier in this show you called him one of the worst defenders at his position.

[Jason Bernstein]

One of the. One of the worst defenders. Am I. I might be stupid. Is he?

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Jason Bernstein]

Former bowl?

[Dan Bernstein]

No, not a former Bull.

[Jason Bernstein]

Give me the position.

[Dan Bernstein]

Center.

[Jason Bernstein]

Use a center.

[Dan Bernstein]

Center. Son of an all time. And an all time basketball great.

[Jason Bernstein]

Wow.

[Dan Bernstein]

Damatus Sabonis, 68 triple doubles.

[Jason Bernstein]

Surprise me.

[Dan Bernstein]

Jason Kidd is sixth and Wilt is ninth.

[Jason Bernstein]

All right, well, you didn't even. Let me guess.

[Dan Bernstein]

I didn't. All right, my turn.

[Jason Bernstein]

My question's a little bit. I would say a little bit tougher in general.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. But great.

[Jason Bernstein]

And it's, it's, it's. It's a very, very specific question.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, what is it on your phone?

[Jason Bernstein]

Okay. The two former. Well, I wrote it down on my phone.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Jason Bernstein]

Can you name the two former Bulls that played at least five seasons with the team. Okay. Have at least 10,000 career points. Okay. And this is the kicker. And scored at least 25% of their career points from the free throw line.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, my God. Five seasons, 25%.

[Jason Bernstein]

So I mean, realistic. You can narrow it down a lot. Just four bulls that played at least five seasons and scored 10,000 points.

[Dan Bernstein]

10,000 points with the Bulls.

[Jason Bernstein]

No career.

[Dan Bernstein]

Just career.

[Jason Bernstein]

Career points. But played at least.

[Dan Bernstein]

How about. This is weird. How about Jimmy Butler?

[Jason Bernstein]

No, there's only two. Huh?

[Dan Bernstein]

There's only two players.

[Jason Bernstein]

Only two. At least from this list.

[Dan Bernstein]

Artists.

[Jason Bernstein]

Artis Gilmore is one bang on. The other one is much harder. I would say.

[Dan Bernstein]

Artis gilmore, but played five seasons with the Bulls.

[Jason Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

10,000 points. Is it an old, old timer?

[Jason Bernstein]

Yeah, I would say he was like. He started his career with the Bulls and that year was the 1974. 75 season.

[Dan Bernstein]

He started in 74, 75.

[Jason Bernstein]

And he started as a Bull. Correct.

[Dan Bernstein]

But that's right before my time. But he probably. And he played five years with the Bulls.

[Jason Bernstein]

Correct.

[Dan Bernstein]

To start his career.

[Jason Bernstein]

To start his career. And after his rookie season, he played at least 81 games. Every single season as a bowl.

[Dan Bernstein]

Was it Mickey Johnson?

[Jason Bernstein]

It was Mickey Johnson. Nice.

[Dan Bernstein]

He was good.

[Jason Bernstein]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Jason Bernstein]

Everyone's right. He was a beast.

[Dan Bernstein]

Every once in a while I'm allowed to get one. Yeah. Mickey Dam Johnson. That's a great question.

[Jason Bernstein]

58.6 win shares in his career.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, he was good. He was really good. All right, nicely done. That was a fun one. That is going to do it. The Bull schedule coming up is going to be a big test for them. We just should note at Detroit, at Utah, at Denver, at Portland. Portland. I know you love them.

[Jason Bernstein]

Portland is like how Houston was.

[Dan Bernstein]

That was my thing. I compared them to Houston.

[Jason Bernstein]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm younger.

[Jason Bernstein]

I'm saying for different reasons. I'm saying, for a different reason, I. How Houston was last year and how Orlando was year before. Not because of play style. I just think they're fun.

[Dan Bernstein]

They're compiling dudes. They're accruing dudes.

[Jason Bernstein]

They have to say the Bulls are like that, though. That's the thing. They're just not as young.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, they're, they're, they're. Bulls are a different story, and you.

[Jason Bernstein]

Don'T really know much about this guy. And Ivan's, I think, to Monica, to Moni Kamara.

[Dan Bernstein]

I know.

[Jason Bernstein]

Great defender, favorite players in the league.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's a great defender.

[Jason Bernstein]

Love him.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, that's. That's got to do it for us. We've got that. We've got. Then the Washington Wizards are going to be here trying to grab some. Some organization wins. Champion organizations win championships passes to see if we can go as a. As a. As unit. And I've actually.

[Jason Bernstein]

I've actually met one of the current Wizards before.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's right, you have. But that's gonna do it. Thanks for joining us.

[Jason Bernstein]

Yeah, I said current Wizards.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Is it the guy the, The. The guy who was on the Lakers? The. The guy who you met at the golf course?

[Jason Bernstein]

He's not a Wizard. You.

[Dan Bernstein]

Who is it?

[Jason Bernstein]

He's on the map. CJ McCollum. You forgot he was there.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, that's right. I forgot C.J. mcCollum was there. That's an old head. All right, that's. Or that is episode 118 disrespect.

[Jason Bernstein]

CJ.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm not disrespecting anybody. I'm trying to get us out of here because Maddie's got coaching to do. He's got to go get his kids to basketball. So it's important. You just have to, like, lie in a dark room for another six hours or whatever it is. And I got. I got. I got therapy in two minutes. All right? Go out for a walk. Do whatever you got to do. All right? Like, subscribe. Rate it. Thanks for being a part of it. It will do. More of the exciting, surprising Bulls when We convene next.

[Jason Bernstein]

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[Dan Bernstein]

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