Chicago Bulls - Organizations Win Championships is back!

Summary

Dan Bernstein Unfiltered – Episode 114

"Chicago Bulls - Organizations Win Championships is back!"

Host: Dan Bernstein
Producer/Co-Host: Jason Bernstein
Date: October 15, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Dan Bernstein Unfiltered" marks the triumphant return of the podcast's classic Bulls coverage, “Organizations Win Championships.” Dan, with Jason at his side, dives headfirst into the state of the Chicago Bulls at the dawn of a new NBA season. The discussion is filled with signature wit, Bulls roster analysis, musings on the Eastern Conference, and plenty of inside jokes, banter, and trivia. The episode strikes a balance of realism about the team's future with a sense of fun, focusing on what it means to root for a “stuck” but entertaining Bulls team.

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Main Themes & Segment Breakdown

1. Return and Tone-Setting for Bulls Talk

• [00:46–06:13]

  • Dan emphasizes the return of the Bulls/NBA segment, intending for the coverage to be both honest and fun, while accepting the likely middling fate of the team.

    • "I want this podcast … to take every game and everything that happens, especially in a wide open east, through the lens of casual optimism for the season, for the players, while understanding in the big picture, it's hard to see where it's going." — Dan [06:13]

  • Opening clowning/joke sequence, including Jason’s collection of creative, NSFW nicknames and old inside jokes.

2. Realistic Bulls Prognosis: Accepting the Middle

• [06:14–11:10]
  • Both hosts agree the Bulls will likely land in the 9th or 10th seed, clinging to play-in status.
    • "Mid ninth in the east, play in, tenth in the East. Yeah. Either ninth or tenth play in." — Jason [07:23]
  • Dan and Jason pledge to enjoy the little things, not losing sight of joy despite low expectations.

3. Roster Analysis: Contract Years & Trade Chips

• [13:04–15:43]
  • They dissect the Bulls’ roster and cap sheet, discussing expiring contracts and the team’s general lack of direction.
    • Expiring deals highlighted: Vucevic, Zach Collins, Kevin Huerter, Kobe White, and Ayo Dosunmu.
    • "If all of a sudden, if all of a sudden Arturis wakes up and values draft capital and you're looking at Vucevic at age 34 is at 21.4 expiring. Zach Collins, 18 million expiring. Herder, 18 million expiring…" — Dan [14:07]
    • "The only guy that I'm protecting right now is Modest, and I guess is Segue just because they just drafted him." — Jason [14:54]

4. Roster Deep Dive: Role, Defense, and Offense

• [15:44–20:11]
  • Full rundown of current roster: excitement over young names, skepticism about old ones.
  • Yuki Kawamura gets particular praise as a fun, undersized player worth watching.
    • "Yuki Kawamura, by the way, he's awesome. He is a… toy basketball player. He's so fun." — Jason [16:52]
  • Discussion of best prospective defensive lineup, skepticism about Billy Donovan’s new “defensive mentality” rhetoric.
    • "I think it's hilarious… that Billy Donovan is now preaching a defensive mentality. But we'll get to that. Oh, no. Good luck." — Dan [07:49]

5. Changing Approach: Bulls Shooting More Threes

• [10:52–11:10; 19:24–19:49]
  • Jason points out the Bulls’ pivot to more three-point shooting and away from midrange is an overdue improvement, but the defense remains a major issue.
    • "They changed their entire playstyle from ISO ball mid range...they're shooting a lot of threes now. And even though they are defensively atrocious." — Jason [10:52]

6. Bulls’ Future: Asset Management and Realistic Hopes

• [13:36–14:50]
  • Vegas over/under is set at 32.5 wins, which both agree is realistic.
  • Discussion of management’s priorities, willingness (or unwillingness) to tank, and how future trades could shape (or not shape) the team.

7. League-Wide & NBA Observations

• [08:24–09:48; 26:09–32:29]
  • Talk about the top teams in the East: Knicks, Cavs, Celtics, and general mediocrity.
    • "God, the east is terrible." — Jason [08:18]
  • Running joke/aside: “All fat point guards” roster, including discussion of players like Khalid El-Amin, John Bagley, Kyle Lowry.
  • Notable young NBA talent chat: praises for Toumani Camara’s defense, observations on players who have literally grown in height (Wemby, Lively, Grady Dick), and sleeper picks for MIP and rookie of the year.

8. Spotlight: Modest Bouzelis

• [32:32–36:38]
  • Reasonable expectations for Modest: drawing a career parallel to Pascal Siakam, growing into a multi-faceted forward.
    • "Who he reminds me of is someone who is great in the...NBA playoffs...he was the 2019 Most Improved Player...Pascal Siakam." — Jason [33:04]
  • Emphasis on his improvement, especially putting the ball on the floor, pushing in transition, and moving off-ball.
    • "What I love are the occasional sets where they'll run Modest on like a long banana cut from wing to basket. He's fast enough against his guy….He can finish." — Dan [35:24]

9. NBA Trivia Showdown

• [36:58–48:35]
  • Classic “Showdown” segment: mixed NBA and Bulls trivia.
    • Jason quickly names statistical milestones and all-time leaders, including LeBron passing Kareem's all-time made field goals and Robert Parish’s record for games played [39:04], as well as Carmelo Anthony’s impending point total overtake by James Harden [39:49].
    • Longer back-and-forth to name the three NBA players Harden must surpass in all-time assists: Gary Payton, Andre Miller, Isaiah Thomas [40:29–44:09].
    • Jason stumps Dan with a Bulls-specific trivia anagram—Jordan Bell—deftly referencing his draft night trade and brief return to the team [44:38–48:23].

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dan on Bulls fandom this year:
  "I want this podcast to be in large part to take every game and everything that happens...through the lens of casual optimism for the season, for the players, while understanding in the big picture, it's hard to see where it's going." [06:13]

• On Eastern Conference mediocrity:
  "God, the east is terrible." — Jason [08:18]

• On roster asset management:
  "If all of a sudden, Arturis wakes up and values draft capital...maybe they find somebody who can contribute. But it's a weird roster that is going to make for some pretty strange groupings and odd lineups." — Dan [14:07]

• On Yuki Kawamura:
  "He's so fun. He is a reason...worth the minimal price of admission to go to Rolling Meadows and watch him play." — Jason [16:52]

• Calling out Billy Donovan’s defensive mantra:
  "I think it's hilarious, by the way, that Billy Donovan is now preaching a defensive mentality...Good luck." — Dan [07:49]

• On Modest Bouzelis:
  "If there's a why wouldn't he — plays hard, cross over his counterpart...I'd love to see more of that from [him]." — Dan [34:24]

• On the Bulls’ best defensive lineups:
  "IO Okoro Williams." — Jason [18:50]

• Classic trivia roast:
  "His name can be anagrammed to Jello Brand." — Jason [44:38]
  (Answer: Jordan Bell)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:46 – Show starts, "We're so back" – OWC returns
• 06:13 – Dan's tone-setting for the Bulls segment
• 07:23 – Accepting Bulls' fate, likely play-in status
• 10:52 – Bulls’ new three-point-heavy offense
• 13:36 – Dissecting Vegas win total and asset management
• 14:50 – Who are the only untouchables? (Modest, “Segue”)
• 16:50 – Yuki Kawamura love fest
• 18:50 – Debating ideal defensive lineups
• 19:47 – Quantifying how the Bulls got killed by threes
• 35:24 – Dan’s vision for Modest Bouzelis on offense
• 36:58 – NBA Trivia Showdown begins
• 39:04 – Trivia: LeBron’s milestones
• 40:29 – Trivia: Harden’s all-time assists chase
• 44:38 – Bulls trivia with the Jordan Bell anagram
• 48:23 – Jason provides answer; laughter and roasts
• 49:56 – Farewells, promises of future episodes

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Tone and Style

The episode is fast-paced, packed with basketball vocabulary, Chicago sports cynicism, running gags, and father-son banter that typifies Dan’s "unfiltered" style. Jason is an able co-conspirator, matching references and jokes, while providing a sharp (and sometimes savage) trivia foil.

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Summary

• The OWC segment returns with a commitment to fun, honesty, and Bulls analysis rooted in hard reality.
• Bulls are likely headed for another year stuck in the middle — but with enough appealing young players (notably Modest, Kawamura) and chaos (tradeable vets) to be watchable.
• Management is unlikely to tank, and fans should expect play-in status at best.
• Roster analysis focuses on contracts, youth, defensive challenges, the dawn of three-point shooting, and what to realistically expect.
• The episode closes with a trivia segment that highlights both hosts’ deep NBA knowledge and sense of humor.
• Plenty of memorable one-liners and inside jokes make this a must-listen for Bulls diehards or anyone who enjoys irreverent, smart basketball talk.

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Transcript

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We'Re so back. Organizations win championships is back.

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Oh boy, oh boy. Here we go. Here we go.

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This is episode 114.

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You remembered.

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Not only did I remember, I really care. All113 Previous Episode Sheets right here.

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How many trees were cut down for this podcast?

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Oh, you know me. It's all crossword puzzles. It's all on the backs of crossword puzzles and old like score reads that I would bring home instead of throwing them out.

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So why, I don't know.

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Just didn't want to throw out the way I figured I'd double use the paper. But here we are. This is going to be your place FOR Bulls and NBA talk on the new home of 3one2 Sports Chicago.

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That one.

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Yeah. Get used to it. You know that face. You might. You might know the voice.

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I was, I was considering wearing the quarter zip or a T shirt that said 312Sports on it, but. But I decided it would only be right to wear Javante green. I mean, I know he's a Detroit Piston, but I had, I had to get that out of the way. First episode back, you got to do what you got to do, right?

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And I apparently I have not seen a Visa bill item, line item for a Javante green Pistons jersey.

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Not yet. Although you did see a $5 Visa bill for a Blake Griffin 2014 Christmas edition jersey.

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I was there for that though.

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You were there for that?

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Let the record show I that for five bucks, a Christmas edition Blake Griffin that says Blake on the back and.

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It'S all first names. I didn't even know what era it was from. And then I looked it up and there were a bunch of John Wall jerseys for sale that just said John for $25. And all I could think about was, was the key and Peele bit. Just block it. I know I'm going to get a ton of those. Whatever I'm going to wear it once during Mardi Gras. It's going to be absolutely trashed, but worthy expenditure of $5. Of your $5. So maybe not for me, but thank.

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You now it says Jason Bernstein on there now. You know, if you are a longtime OWC listener, it is rare that I actually introduce my podcast partner by his actual name.

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Yeah. What you come up with for me today?

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Well, I didn't, because I figured people may not remember who you are or what you do. When we last left you, you were. You were at Tulane. You were in that room.

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Not this room.

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No, you're a different room. Same poster behind you. Same vintage Michael Jordan that used to be in my room. And now the sports editor of the Tulane student paper, the Hullabaloo. Yep. And so these are the names under which you had been known previously. Okay. Reverend Virgil Chode Wrangler Q. Mobius. Thunderdick. Aldrich Crotch Feaster.

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Hold on, I have a quick question. What you stand for in the Thunderdick name?

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I don't know. Kent. Wait. Kentavius Caldwell Dope.

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That's that. Yeah.

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Okay. Lou Gen's dork.

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NBA champ now.

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Yeah, we didn't even.

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We haven't even covered any of that.

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Ball sack Biyombo.

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What about ball sack Regime?

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Wait, we're not. We're not. We're not done. Hold on. Sir Angus the Flatulent. Otto Felch.

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Monster Dude.

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Carl Fartling. Spanky Beet Wiener.

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Are you naming every single one?

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Yeah, I've got it here. Ragnar Pig Fister. Hold on, wait. Franz Schlongdangler. These are all.

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These are all names that'll describe the Bulls season at the end of the year.

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Oh, my God. Captain Verne Crackpicker. Engelbert Pickled Dick, And Augustus Fartwagon. What is your obsession with Dick? Well, I think that's for a different show that's its own podcast. That would be a different. The Obsession with Dick podcast.

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Check it out next week.

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Hi, I'm Dick Podcast. Welcome to Upsetting with Dick Podcast. So you can be. Remember at Uncle Dick. You weren't there at Uncle Dick's funeral.

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Oh, yeah. No.

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I'll leave you alone.

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No.

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So you can you tell me I wasn't there, but I just know you.

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Looked at Jill and it was.

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You were cooked. A moment of silent reflection so you can be alone with your thoughts of Dick. And I made the mistake of looking at my sister. And then it was. People must have thought I was having some kind of myocardial event.

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Well, he might have been.

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I was turning bright red. I bit the inside of my mouth until it started bleeding. It was bad.

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Worth it, though, right?

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So I want to make a deal about how we cover the Bulls right now. So I'm going to put in a. I think we should just establish how we feel. This is a good time as we start. I believe we're going to have fun on this podcast, and I want this podcast to be in large part to take every game and everything that happens, especially in a wide open east, through the lens of casual optimism for the season, for the players, while understanding in the big picture, it's hard to see where it's going. Right.

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Did you notice what Matty changed my name to.

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Now that we have an adversary?

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Another laugh.

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Take.

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It. Sorry. Go on.

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So I think we both realize that however many months from now, you know where the Bulls are going to be, right?

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Mid ninth in the east, play in, tenth in the East. Yeah. Either ninth or tenth play in.

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They love being in the play in.

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Because they can spot the arena.

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Yeah. And they do have some interesting players. We're going to go through the roster in this episode here on episode 114. We're going to go through the rost and try to figure out what they're doing. I think it's hilarious, by the way, that Billy Donovan is now preaching a defensive mentality.

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But we'll get to that. Oh, no.

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Good luck. We'll get to that.

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Josh giddy.

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I think 40 wins in this east gets you a top eight seed.

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Top eight.

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Yeah.

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But it doesn't matter. Playing is seven through 10.

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I know.

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So then what's the. Because they've owned game in the. In the play. And just to get.

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Well, you get two. Yeah. You get. You get an extra shot if you win that game. I.

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But still, like, who.

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Who cares?

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Because you'll lose to New York or I don't know about Boston. God, the east is terrible.

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Okay, so if I'm. If I'm ranking the east just off the top of my head.

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Knicks. Oh, no, no.

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Cleveland.

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Number one. Yeah.

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Oh, come on.

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Yeah, I guess. Come on. You've got. You still have Mitchell Mobley.

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Mitchell Mobley. Garland Jarrett. Jack.

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I mean, Jack Jarrett. Jack.

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Where did that come from?

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Jared Allen.

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Jared Allen. Sorry.

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Oh, Jared Jack. That's one of my. Oh, I love Jared Jack.

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Fat point guard. Fat shooting guy.

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Yeah, yeah.

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Jared Allen.

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I love fat point guards. I don't know if you know who Bob does sports is. I think I introduced them to you. The. The group of three guys. They play golf and they're absolutely hysterical.

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Yeah, yeah.

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And one time they were playing, it was some brand deal with PGA Tour 2K whatever. And so they were playing it on a live stream. And there were comments flooding in, not onto the Twitch stream, but onto their PlayStation Live. And someone said, fat Perez is built like Raymond Felton. And I lost it.

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Wait, Fat Perez is already a play on Pat Perez?

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Correct. He's the fat one. Okay, okay. Yes, yes. And they said he built like Raymond Floyd. There was Tommy fleetwood roaring Big McElroy. There were so many.

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Oh, we could do the all fat point guard. And Khalid El Amin would have to be on the all fat point guard.

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All fat point guards.

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John Bagley. Do you remember John Bagley?

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No.

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He was basically an ass with legs with little eyes sticking out of it. The man was just. He was just a walking, talking giant behind Kyle Lowry.

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Kyle Lowry. Oh, now, yeah, yeah. He's well marbled. He's got a. Dude. You're talking about him like a five Wagyu.

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Well, he is.

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I mean, he's.

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All right.

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All right. Okay.

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Bulls. Bulls. So we know that this thing isn't really going anywhere for the moment. What I would like to do is, is carve out a place in the Bulls consciousness where here at the outset, we agree and we understand that it's not necessarily meaningful, but we're going to have fun with it. I want to root for the Bulls. I don't want to be indifferent in these games. I want to root for Kevin Herder.

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Oh, yeah.

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I want the games to be fun.

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Yeah. I think they will be. They were last year.

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I know.

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So I think a big part of that is the fact that they changed their entire playstyle from ISO ball mid range, and a lot of it had to do with. To Marta Rosen. Excuse me, but they're shooting a lot of threes now. And even though they are defensively atrocious.

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Who, who cares? Shoot a bunch of threes and maybe you'll win one. One or two.

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Oh, I think they'll win more than one or two. I want to say. I haven't, I haven't looked recently at what the 34 the Vegas win totals are. Yeah, you probably could get that in front of you.

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Yeah, I got it.

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If they get to 40, you're talking about a huge, huge year for modest. You're talking about maybe at the deadline, depending on, you know, the contracts they have to offload, that maybe they find somebody who can contribute. But it's. It's a weird roster that is going to make for some pretty strange groupings and odd lineups.

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Fanduel. Fanduel has their over under right now at 32 and a half.

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It's about right.

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Yeah.

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Does that strike you as well?

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But the things that Vegas knows more than we do, I, I do think that they can. They're gonna lose a lot of games big and they're gonna win a few games big and they're gonna be a lot of tight games just because of shootouts. Regardless of. It's either gonna be they shoot very well and the other team shoots poorly and they win vice versa, or both teams shoot well or both teams shoot poorly and they're going to give up a ton of points.

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It also depends the decisions they make at the deadline this year. Because when you start looking at expiring deals and we know that they don't really value draft capital, but if all of a sudden, if all of a sudden Arturis wakes up and values draft capital and you're looking at Vuchevic at age 34 is at 21.4 expiring. Zach Collins, 18 million expiring. Herder, 18 million expiring.

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All of those guys are, especially Collins and Herder. Vuch is. Well, but he's so bad defensively that in the playoffs it really matters. Collins and Herder could be really valuable for a lot of teams.

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Well, what about Kobe? White at 13 million.

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The only guy that I'm protecting right now is Modest, and I guess is Segue just because they just drafted him.

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Sure.

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But Modest. Modest right now is the only guy that I would firmly say no to any trade, unless it's for Giannis.

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But you have. You've IO Dasumu at 7.5 million expiring.

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That's ridiculous.

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That's insane.

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And he should be making double that at least.

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Well, if. And they may have to decide between Kobe, White and IO Dasumu at the deadline. But anyway, here's the roster. This is. This is in descending order of salary right now. These are the people that they have right now currently under contract, not including the two ways.

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Okay.

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Josh Giddey, Nicola Vuchevich, Zach Collins, Patrick Williams, Kevin Herder, Kobe White, Isaac Okoro, Jalen Smith, Trey Jones, IO Dasumu. Javon Carter. He opted in. Correct. Matas Bou. Zealous. Noah Esenge. Dalen Terry. Dylan Terry. Julian Phillips. And I was going to say Mamadou Gaye, but they just let him go. And then you've got your two ways. Emmanuel Miller, the second round pick, Lachlan Ulbricht. Lachlan Ulbricht. And he's not Scottish. I know, but he sounds like he should be.

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Yes, he does.

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And Yuki Kawamura.

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Yeah. Who tried to do an accent on that one. If you try to do an accent on that one, you want to see what happens?

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We've seen that already. Yuki Kawamura, by the way, he's awesome. He is a. I know. He's a toy basketball player. He's.

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He's so fun.

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He on. He is a reason. If in fact, he wants to play this full season at Windy City, that is worth the minimal price of admission to go to Rolling Meadows and watch him play.

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Yeah. Oh, yeah.

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He's an. He's a riot to watch.

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Lena had wheels. But if. If your aunt had ball, she'd be your uncle. But if he was over six feet tall, he would not be a two way player.

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Oh, God, no. He's. He's my height. Your height?

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He's my height.

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Yeah. He's barely 5 8, but he's fun. I just, I, I like the fact that they're going to give him a shot. I. He's fast. He's. He is so smart. So smart and understands spacing in a way that others don't. But you're starting lineup. Let's just talk about this. So they had trouble starting games. We know that, that they've had trouble, especially defensively, starting games. Because if you have a starting lineup that includes Giddy, Vuch, White and White. I don't know how you stop anybody. Yeah, so it's modest.

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That's the modest William.

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No, no, he's a bench. Probably. Unless you go with like a bench mob. Defensive unit. Do you. Do you go small? I do think there's going to be some three guard lineups out there. As much as Billy loves Trey Jones.

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Wait, did you mention Julian Phillips in the.

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Yeah, I did.

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Okay.

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I did.

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Okay. I, I still, I still like Julian Phillips. I still, I still think he's a good basketball player.

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He's 21 and he's inexpensive. He's probably getting better. But if you put out your best defensive lineup, if the Bulls really wanted right now to say we're going to put on our best defensive five.

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Okay. IO Okoro Williams.

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IO Williams. Accoro. Jalen Smith.

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I would.

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Modest.

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Modest is up there.

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I don't know. Modest, your best shot blocker?

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Yeah, maybe.

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Collins. Yeah. But I don't. Yeah, you play modest at the forward. You play.

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And I think you could rotate Dale and Terry in there just because he's long and kind of active. Wiry.

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I'll say. Yeah, he's active.

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Fast. He is fast, but he's bad.

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It's just funny to me that here last year the Bulls finally and belatedly decided that they were going to shoot enough threes to wipe out the differential that they had because they were starting every game by the numbers and by three pointers taken and made, they were starting every game minus eight.

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And you were. You talked to AK about this?

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Yeah, and it took me forever because as long as you had the lineups that they had, you were going to have a lot of two pointers and you're still, I think, with Vuchevic in the middle of his apparently rapid decline. I don't know how quickly he can. He can arrest that, that vector of his career, Victor. But if he's.

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For Halloween.

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What you're doing, you're being.

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What vector from Despicable Me for Halloween? Jason Siegel's character, the one, the orange Tracksuit.

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I. I don't know that.

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Come on.

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For Halloween.

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Yeah. He's hysterical.

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Well, Jason is funny. I think you should be. I think you should be Jason Siegel from forgetting Sarah Marshall.

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Oh, just. Well, there is kind of a bit about that. I don't know if you've been. If you know what Teague time is. And yes, it has to do with Jeff Teague, but people are wearing Jeff Teague jerseys and no pants and it's called Teague time.

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What?

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Yeah, it's just a thing. It's just a thing.

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You're going to have to whiteboard this for me.

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Yeah. Teague time. Hold on, here we go. Teague time most commonly refers to a basketball related catchphrase originating from former NBA player Jeff Teague used to hype up his performance in clutch moments, but now it's been. It's been. Been changed using TikTok into people wearing a Jeff Teague jersey and not wearing any pants. And now Atlanta Hawks fans are considering going to Hawks games all wearing Jeff Teague jerseys and no pants.

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Wait, would you say no pants?

[C]

I mean, like, you just can't see the underpants under the jersey.

[B]

I'm down.

[C]

You haven't heard of this? Look up, look up. Teague time. No.

[B]

How did it start?

[C]

I. There's not. Watch the video right now. It's just. It's just the thing. It was definitely on his podcast because his podcast is incredibly funny.

[B]

Do you have a Teague jersey?

[C]

No, I don't.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

I could.

[B]

So Billy Donovan wants them to start playing defense. And I was laughing when he was saying it because they were talking about it in media day and talking about this defensive mentality and saying, all right, well, we got the offense fixed. Like, now we know these are the shots we have to take. And this is big boy basketball. This is what happens in the NBA. We're going to do that. That was great. It was great. But you can't then say, okay, now we're going to work on defense because I don't. I don't get it. I don't know how this lineup like Josh Giddey. How often do you ever see him? How often do you ever see him, like, low with his arms stretched out? Just think about it, like, actually down close to the ground in a stance so he can guard someone. Never, ever, once or twice, but he can.

[C]

But he can pass the ball and make things happen.

[B]

He can also go to the zoo and throw peanuts to the elephants. He's giddy, has a tendency to drift on you. And when you're paying $100 million. I don't think it's a ton of money.

[C]

It's really not.

[B]

It's not.

[C]

But for someone who finished the season the way you did, $25 million per year, when people are making 15, 60. Not bad.

[B]

No, but he's also. Unfortunately, because of his lapses, despite what he says, he seems to be a decent bloke. But despite what he says, I'm worried about him being a candidate for severe regression from a great half of a season to now. I really don't have to try on defense or I can commit some of these ridiculous turnovers.

[C]

No, he's a white guy.

[B]

He'll try.

[C]

Well, I allowed to say that.

[B]

No, probably not.

[C]

Great.

[B]

He's. He's. I don't know. Yeah, I don't think you're allowed to say that. There are plenty of lazy white guys.

[C]

He sometimes will have Andre Drummond type of lapses where he'll just. He's not as hilarious, but he'll have just these mental brain farts and something will happen. Dude, what the hell are you doing?

[B]

That's what I mean, that Giddy will go to the zoo on you. He will just. And you want to just grab him and say, dude, and then it'll be fine. And then, and then he'll.

[C]

All right, mate, I was just looking at the crocodiles. I don't know what you're saying.

[B]

He'll score eight straight points and he'll make ridiculous passes and he'll hit a game winner and you forget about the six minutes. I'm Joe Giddy. He threw it off the scorers table three times. So I don't know. But again, what I like are some of the ages. I like the fact that giddy is 23, they're young. Patrick Williams is still 24.

[C]

That kind of pisses me off. I know because I almost wish he was older so we could say. So we had an excuse to not think he's good.

[B]

He does just enough. And if he plays defense and he is a second unit player, which the starting thing, the star thing is over.

[C]

Better.

[B]

It's just over. All he's got to do is run and jump and try not dribble the ball in traffic.

[C]

Yeah, but the thing is that when he runs and jumps, he'll miss a dunk, then just rebound, rebound and shoot.

[B]

Shoot standstill corner threes. And if he's just shoot threes. If he were a valuable three and D guy for 18 million.

[C]

That's about right, I guess now. Yeah.

[B]

Isn't it?

[C]

I guess so, yeah. I mean, that's what IO is. But he's only making seven and a half.

[B]

If Kevin Herder makes the same thing Patrick Williams does, and they shoot about the same percentage from three, right. Don't they both shoot high? High 30%.

[C]

Yeah. I do think Herder has a higher volume, though, if I'm not mistaken. Just because he's. He moves more off the ball than Williams does. Williams kind of just stands there, but I don't know.

[B]

It's.

[C]

It. We'll see. We'll see what happens.

[B]

Where does a coral fit?

[C]

I was just about to mention Okoro. I have no clue. And people hated the trade when it happened. I think. I think a lot of Bulls fans, a lot of polls fans are saying we still can't get any draft picks. We trade away Lonzo, we didn't get anything back except for a mediocre player. I like Isaac Kokoro. I think he's. He's young.

[B]

What.

[C]

What else? I know Lonzo brings that veteran leadership and he's really solid on defense, and I understand that for Cleveland, but when you're a team like Chicago, it's not going to help you win that many more games. If anything, you want to lose and not be a playing team. Right.

[B]

They're not trying to do that this year. Like, that's. That's part of what we have to agree on here. This is not a tank year. They don't tank. Billy Donovan does not tank.

[C]

Also, they don't have their pick, I don't think. Right.

[B]

This year.

[C]

Do they have their pick? So I'm not sure.

[B]

I think so. I think they do. So they. This. Believe me, they're going to try. And that's why I think that in the. In the east this year. It's weird. This is the year of the Achilles tendon.

[C]

Was. Well, not. I guess. Yeah. Is. Yeah.

[B]

You've got no Tyrese Halliburton.

[C]

Oh, they. They do. Have they. Oh, they have two first rounders. What was I thinking?

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

Yeah, they have Portland. They have Portland from Lottery protected. But that's. I mean, it'll go back to Portland, but Yes, that. That.

[B]

Although. Although Portland might have a little core. That's kind of what Drew Holiday.

[C]

He's 38.

[B]

They've got. Don't they have Denny FDA now.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah. The guy I really like on that team is too many Kamara. That dude is a m effer. Have you seen him play?

[B]

I have.

[C]

I don't know.

[B]

I've Watched him as closely as you.

[C]

Have one of the best. He might be the best defender in the league.

[B]

I don't know. I would say either one of the Thompson.

[C]

Have you seen what head. Have you seen what head coaches have said about him?

[B]

About to money Kamara?

[C]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

I'm not.

[C]

Oh, yeah. J.J. redick was raving about him. He said that is a guy that every NBA team wishes they had on their roster better than.

[B]

Than Osar or Amen Thompson.

[C]

I don't know if he's as dynamic, but defensively I think he's more versatile. He's bigger, but he's not as explosive. But the thing is that the Thompsons can't shoot at or at least a saw.

[B]

Is he better than Dyson Daniels?

[C]

No. No. Okay. Probably not. Dyson Daniels is a. Is a beast.

[B]

Yeah, that's. That's, that's like Depoy level.

[C]

So is Kamara. Okay.

[B]

It's just harder to measure for those guys. It's so much easier to give it to somebody like. Like Gobert.

[C]

I was just gonna say Wemby.

[B]

I mean, Wemby could block. Have you watched some of what he's.

[A]

Doing, by the way?

[C]

He grew 2 inches.

[B]

No, he didn't. He's not 7 9.

[C]

He's 7 5. They listed him with 73 last year. Now he's listed at 7 5.

[B]

He didn't grow too.

[C]

I didn't like that. By definition, I guess he did. A guy that did grow 2 inches from 71 to 7 3. Derek Lively.

[B]

Ooh. On Dallas.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

Look out with that in Cooper flag then.

[C]

And Anthony Davis. He kind of forgot about him.

[B]

Yeah, he's.

[C]

And Kyrie when he comes back.

[B]

Yeah, that's a contender. And maybe that's a contender. If everybody's healthy.

[C]

The. The Kyrie has to come back and AD has wear goggles for the rest of his career for. Because of a retina issue. But if that's a. That's a really, really, really good, good team. Although they. They got very lucky.

[B]

Did you see who else apparently grew 2 inches? I'm not making this up because I saw a very funny headline on this and he's also a guy who I would have. He's not my pick for most improved player because I think my pick for most improved player I believe will get MVP votes this year.

[C]

Who?

[B]

Sengun Alperin Shangun.

[C]

Really?

[B]

I think he's going to get MVP votes this year.

[C]

Did he grow to it?

[B]

But no, he's not the guy that grew.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

But this is Another guy who I think will be a candidate for most improved player. And when it said Dick gets bigger. Grady Dick.

[C]

Oh. Oh, yeah. I did see that. Yeah. I like. I like him a lot.

[B]

I. He. There are a lot of memes about that.

[C]

They're just saying Dick grew one inch.

[B]

I know. That's what I'm talking about. But I also. Even. Even in moments last year when I saw him, when he looked bad, you can see it in.

[C]

He moves like a player.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

He moves well. Let me just say he's instinctual, and.

[B]

I'm really glad he's not on the Heat.

[C]

Well, they got Conspiracy Akachonis, another one. I was so upset that he went. I don't know how he fell that low. I thought he was going to be a top five pick. And now that he's on Miami, I think he's going to be one to look out for for Rookie of the Year. I think he's. That's your sleeper pick. I love his game.

[B]

I thought. I thought sleeper pick is. Is concanuple.

[C]

He's a fourth overall pick. But.

[B]

No, but nobody's talking. I mean, if he's going to beat out his former teammates, that would be a huge deal.

[C]

Okay. I guess.

[B]

I mean, because. Because Flag is already. People are saying he could be a rookie mvp.

[C]

Oh, have you seen him in the preseason?

[B]

The guy's great.

[C]

You knew it, though.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You knew he was going to be great.

[B]

All right, let's.

[C]

Let's.

[B]

Before we do the showdown.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Let's just talk about Modest Bouz Ellis and what is a reasonable expectation? Because I'm sure there are people right now saying, why aren't you talking about Modest as most improved? And he's a candidate. I'm absolutely a candidate.

[C]

He reminds me of a player that all that I believe also won most improved. But let me double check. And I think I've made this comparison before.

[B]

With Modest. Let me.

[C]

But who he reminds me of is someone who is great in the. In the NBA playoffs this year, this past year. He was the 2019 Most Improved Player and won a championship the year that year, and that is Pascal Siaka. I think career trajectory wise, it's not all that different because they were both. I know Pascal was the 27th overall pick or whatever, so he's a lot later in the draft. But both of them played a lot of their rookie year in the G League. Both of them kind of just came up out of nowhere late in the season and started playing well. They have very similar body types. I Do think Pascal is a little bit more skilled as a dribbler, but.

[B]

He is but he also Pascal Siakam end to end his his ability to turn defense into offense to be able to take advantage of numbers on his own off of a defensive rebound. If Modest wanted to do more of that, if Modest wanted to grab it and go and if you. If there's a why wouldn't he plays hard cross over his counterpart. I'm not saying he's going to cross over a guard in the middle of the floor, but I'd love to see more of that from.

[C]

And he also gained weight this offseason too, so we'll see what happens. But that that's if I'm looking career path and I'm looking at second year skilled, lanky four, I guess or almost positionless now I. That's who I would look at and I'm not expecting him to be Pascal Siakam, but I would like to see him take a step forward and just be. I want to see him do more with the ball in his hands.

[B]

I was just going to say that because I would say in the full court I would encourage him off of a defensive rebound to not necessarily, you know, look for a guard. Look for a guard, look for a guard. Put it on the floor and go. If people are retreating. If you think you've got a numbers advantage, I want him pushing it. What I like in the half court is rather than compressing everything and it's. This is the damn problem with Vuch.

[C]

Out there because no doom spiraling.

[B]

I thought I'm not doom spiraling. I'm just talking about lineup construction and spacing. The problem with Vuch is if you are playing four out, one in with him, he's going to want it. You're going to have to feed the post, kick it, reset, reverse it, screen him across the other side and all that stuff that takes all that time if he's not coming out. What I love are the occasional sets where they'll run modest on like a long banana cut from wing to basket. He's. He's fast enough against his guy. I love for some of that. The longer, the longer side cuts. So I want him in the half court. I want him moving without the ball because he makes a good target. He's got good hands. He can finish. Yeah, it's just hard with standing there.

[C]

I think you need to chill out on the Montenegrin, man. You look like a child in timeout. That was like you. That was like you at the Aquarium the last Week.

[B]

No, no.

[C]

He was throwing a mini tantrum. I forgot what. What it was about though. It was cranky, you wanted to sleep.

[B]

We're figuring out where we were going to get food or something.

[C]

Did we even. I thought we just went straight to the.

[B]

I don't know.

[C]

All right. No, mom and I got food.

[B]

Yeah, that's right.

[C]

I think I went home.

[B]

Time for the showdown. Here we go. If you're just joining us, this began years ago as the college showdown when I would start quizzing Jason on current players and where they attended college. And Jason would quiz me on all time players and where they went to college.

[C]

Because Dan is unk. Dan is unk.

[B]

Yeah, I'm unk. I'm literally an unk. So it then became we ran out of players because we went through pretty much every roster in the NBA and all the G League teams. So now we just made it a wide open trivia competition. Yeah. And usually he beats me and that's okay. Not at the regular one. I don't think I'm going to start.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

So I was looking at 20, 25, 26 milestones, statistical milestones that can be achieved this year by some of the old head stars.

[C]

Got it.

[B]

And you know who they are.

[C]

Right?

[B]

So we know that LeBron James is the first NBA player who played in his teens and in his 40s.

[C]

Yeah. Not Vince.

[B]

No, he didn't come out as a teen.

[C]

Okay.

[B]

And LeBron and Bronnie, first father son duo together. LeBron passed Kareem as the all time leading scorer. He can pass him this year in all time made field goals.

[C]

That's insane.

[B]

Yeah, it's insane when you consider the percentage of threes. That's what's amazing. Kareem didn't take threes. So LeBron also in year 23, will pass Vince Carter for the most career seasons. He can pass Reggie Miller for sixth all time on the three point field goal list. All he needs are two and he's going to pass Reginald Milk. If LeBron plays 50 games, he will have the most regular season games played in NBA history over Robert Parrish. That. You got it?

[C]

That was the question.

[B]

That was going to be the question, you bastard.

[C]

My question's a little tougher than that.

[B]

All right, well then maybe. Okay, maybe I can do some others. Let me see what else I can find here.

[C]

Okay, fine.

[B]

God damn it. Come on. I didn't know that you knew that Robert Chief had all time leader in games. Okay.

[C]

Former ball.

[B]

James Harden is really 11th. James Harden is 11th in scoring. He is 603 points away from passing. Whom for 10th?

[C]

Are they still playing or no? No. Okay. Carmelo.

[B]

Yes. God, you're annoying.

[C]

Carmelo was great. I was thinking it might be Demar, but he's not there yet.

[B]

No, not yet.

[C]

He has more points in Curry all time, I believe.

[B]

That's a lot of twos, man. That's a lot of free throws. A lot of free throws and a lot of twos. Okay, just real quick there. Harden also is 13th all time in assists. He needs to pass three guys to reach the top 10.

[C]

He needs.

[B]

He needs 746 to move up one spot, but he's got to pass three guys. Can you name the three guys he has to pass to reach the top 10?

[C]

So the thing is that I, for assist is a little bit more difficult than points. I'm. I'm going to try to think of who is definitely in the top 10. So it's going to be Stockton, it's going to be Chris Paul, it's going to be LeBron, it's going to be Steve Nash. Is Gary Payton one of the guys he needs to pass?

[B]

Yes.

[C]

I don't know why. He just popped into my head. Tim Hardaway. No. Okay. Probably didn't play long enough.

[B]

Gary Payton is one. Gary Payton is 11th.

[C]

Bang. Are any of these guys still playing? I assume not.

[B]

No.

[C]

Bob Koozie, if they started recording it. Nope.

[B]

Robertson?

[C]

No. He top 10?

[B]

No. I only have these three in front of me here.

[C]

Is Russell Westbrook technically not a current player right now, So I believe he.

[B]

Is technically a current player.

[C]

Okay, so it's not Russ. Oh, God. Are they both hall of Famers?

[B]

No.

[C]

Really? One is and the other one isn't.

[B]

The other one was very good for a long time and probably better than people give him credit for and probably near the end might quite qualify as a fat point guard.

[C]

Certainly Nelson. Gotta be Jameer Nelson.

[B]

Not Jameer Nelson.

[C]

Damn it.

[B]

I would say certainly he's one of the slowest great point guards. Not great. One of the slowest very good point guards.

[C]

He said he's fat at the.

[B]

At the end he was a little doughy, but.

[C]

So not Raymond Felton? Not. No, no.

[B]

I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say fat, but definitely slow. Not fleet of foot.

[C]

Had to. Did he retire in the past 10 years?

[B]

Yeah, I think. Last 10. Close. Let me look it up.

[C]

So I was alive when he was playing.

[B]

It's an easy game. It's an easy guy to kind of forget. Let me see how Far he went.

[C]

White guy.

[B]

He retired after the 2016. 2015. 2016.

[C]

After 2016, white guy.

[B]

No, he retired at age 39.

[C]

Don't tell me it was Jared Jack. I don't think he's top 10.

[B]

No, no, no. He was too short.

[C]

That's around when he retired.

[B]

Yeah. This guy, you want me to give you the teams he played for?

[C]

Yeah. This is hard.

[B]

Denver, Cleveland, Philly, Portland, Washington, the Clippers, the Kings, the T Wolves and the Spurs.

[C]

Is that in order? Yeah. Say that again.

[B]

Denver, Cleveland, Philly, Portland, Washington, Clippers, Kings, Sacramento, Minnesota. San Antonio.

[C]

Finished with San Antonio. He finished with San Antonio. Was a. Probably a backup. End of bench said Washington.

[B]

Never much of a scorer.

[C]

I mean, you said Kings, but you didn't say Pacers.

[B]

So it's three point shooter.

[C]

Could not shoot, obviously.

[B]

No, could not shoot.

[C]

Rondo's top 10, right?

[B]

Yeah, actually, it's a good guess, but the teams obviously preclude that. You want the answer?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Andre Miller.

[C]

Oh, yeah, that makes sense. He played forever.

[B]

Yes. Yeah. Andre Miller.

[C]

I probably should have gotten that.

[B]

Andre Miller. Gary Payton. And the last one at. At number 10 is Isaiah Thomas.

[C]

Ah, okay.

[B]

Okay, now fire away with me.

[C]

Still pretty. I'll take that performance. Yeah, it's a win. Yep, that's a win. So mine's a little bit more specific and it is Bulls specific.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And my question, and I help you out here because it is pretty hard, so I help you out with something that you love a lot. Which player was drafted by the Bulls, traded on draft night, and later returned to play for them for a short period of time? And the hint is that his name can be anagrammed to Jello Brand.

[B]

You're. You're. You are.

[C]

You're.

[B]

You're coming into my kitchen here.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

His. His name literally can be Anakin. He was drafted by the Bulls, traded on draft night. Correct.

[C]

And later played for. For a very, very, very short period of time.

[B]

Jello Brand.

[C]

J, E, L, L O. Brand. Brand.

[B]

Not Elton Brand.

[C]

No, not Elton Brand. He probably ate a lot of Jello toward the end of his career.

[B]

This guy did. Or Elton did?

[C]

Elton. No, this guy was never fat.

[B]

Banjo Raleigh. Dan Jelboar. Dan Belgar. Brad. Brad Gelon. Brad Gellon. His name. His name is Joe. Joe. Think about the question, Brandel. No, it's. I'm trying to work the letters instead.

[C]

Why?

[B]

Because that. My brain would rather try to solve the letters than actually think of the answer to the question. His name is.

[C]

Thanks, Maddie.

[B]

Banjo Bard. Jelbo Ard.

[C]

I can't believe my name. This entire time has just been ball.

[B]

Sack, baland, Arlo land, J Bill, Del Dell.

[C]

Oh, God.

[B]

Del Del Branjo. Branjo.

[C]

Walk in a boost store and found Brando. I walk into the store with a name of music store and I. I picked up a instrument name of branjo. He starts blowing it and they play music. Name of bluegrass.

[B]

It's pretty good.

[C]

Little tangy Ahroy. I don't know.

[B]

What's the answer?

[C]

What's the answer?

[B]

You know what? Don't tell me. I want to figure this out. I'm going to figure out next episode.

[C]

Oh, come on.

[B]

I want to work the puzzle. Bob Broll.

[C]

I'm just going to sit here and talk about the bears while you finish.

[B]

No, what's the. What's the answer? I can't figure it out.

[C]

Jordan Bell.

[B]

Jordan Bell. He was on the. He went to Golden State, right?

[C]

Yep.

[B]

That was. The guy was traded for cash considerations.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Oregon.

[C]

Yep.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

And then he came back to the Bulls in that weird season when everybody was sick in their. In their good season when Demar hit those two back to back game winners, he was always the first guy off the bench to tackle him.

[B]

That's the Randy Brown job.

[C]

Yeah. He only played one game for the Bulls and did not score a single point. But he was on the Chicago Bull.

[B]

Good question. Nice work there. Nice work. Ball sack Biombo. Matty's having too much fun. Because you know when. When we do the handover here and you're producing this, I'm a little worried that when we. When we put these particular tools in your hand, I'm terrified.

[C]

Oh, you don't want any tools in my hand.

[B]

No, I know. Because you.

[C]

Bad things will happen.

[B]

Too busy with your own.

[C]

Okay, thanks for that.

[B]

That's gonna do it for organizations win champion, by the way. Yes. This turdbox was. Was trolling me on forward progress and our live episode.

[C]

Yes. And I. You didn't even notice it. And I. I said nice Tr. Trocero's hat in the background and you didn't catch it.

[B]

The great thing about this hat is it doesn't fit you.

[C]

No.

[B]

Because you were finishing games and it was too tight on your head.

[C]

Well, yeah, I guess your head was.

[B]

Swollen with pre game modelos.

[C]

Oh, I'm always swollen with modelos in general.

[B]

Pre gaming.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Different kind of pre gaming. All right, that's gonna do it for the return of organization win championships. We are going to be back. We're going to try to do this weekly. There might be surprises in there, so make sure you subscribe or resubscribe and set your alerts, because you never know. Maybe we'll find something here or there. Maybe there'll be a fun game. Maybe we'll go live. But we are back with a vengeance, and we're very, very happy to be here. At least. Speaking for myself on 312Sports Chicago, welcome back, kid.

[C]

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