Chicago Bulls TANK WATCH is heating up!

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Podcast Summary: Dan Bernstein Unfiltered

Episode: Chicago Bulls TANK WATCH is heating up!

Podcast: Dan Bernstein Unfiltered (312 Sports)
Date: March 5, 2026
Hosts: Dan Bernstein & Jason
Note: Ads, promos, intros, and outros excluded.

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Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into the Chicago Bulls' current place in the NBA's tank race as the team sits at 25-37, near the bottom of the league. Dan and Jason mix smart analysis, classic Bulls fandom angst, and vintage banter as they discuss the mechanics and emotions of rooting for a losing team with high draft hopes. The second half of the show features an extended Bulls-themed NBA defensive greats quiz, combining basketball history with quintessentially Chicago storytelling.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The State of the Bulls – Tankathon Fever

(01:29 – 06:14)

• Bulls are 1-9 in their last 10 games, currently in 9th place in Tankathon standings.
• Jason closely tracks the Bulls' draft lottery odds:
  • “At the moment, they're ninth in the tankathon standings with a 20.3% chance of a top four pick and 4.5% chance of the number one overall.” (02:40)
• The best-case scenario is out-losing Memphis to boost odds, but catching Dallas looks unlikely.
• Clear, if reluctant, acceptance from both hosts that rooting for losses is now necessary:
  • “It's hard to do because it is so antithetical to everything we're trained to do as fans. And it sucks, frankly.” (04:23 – Jason)
  • “This has gone from fun bad to bad bad.” (06:08 – Dan)

Memorable Quote

“I define fun bad as like, so bad it's fun that you're just laughing at how comical it is. And I'm still there a little bit.” (06:33 – Jason)

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2. Bulls Player Evaluations & Development

(06:14 – 10:59)

• Jason and Dan debate which current Bulls offer any kind of upside or ‘fun’ factor.
• Nick Richards’ comic mishaps and Leonard Miller’s surprising competence get shoutouts.
• Dan argues for patience with young guard Rob Dillingham:
  • “He needs an offseason. ... It’s a bunch of pent up energy. It's the Zoomies. That's the way I describe Rob Dillingham.” (17:10 – Dan)
• Extended sidebar on Dillingham’s future role and the challenges for young players on a tanking team.

Notable Moment

“Some of [Dilly’s turnovers] are just like... he speeds over someplace or he goes as far as he can without running into something, and then he hands the ball away. He's terrible.” (07:15 – Jason)

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3. League Trends & Envy of Oklahoma City Thunder

(10:27 – 14:43)

• Marveling at OKC Thunder’s team-building model—brilliant drafting, quick moves from sunk costs.
• Sam Presti gets praise for accumulating picks and developing depth:
  • “That’s how you do it right there. That’s vision.” (10:27 – Jason)
• Discussion of former reserves who became stars, like James Harden and now possibly Jared McCain.
• Reflection on Harden’s rise:
  • “It was people... it was hard to envision the fact that he kind of for a while was bending the NBA to his will.” (12:03 – Jason)

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4. Defensive Identity Across the League

(14:45 – 20:00)

• Focus on elite defenders—on the Bulls (Caruso, Cason Wallace) and league-wide.
• Discussion about Lou Dort’s polarizing style:
  • “He's Johnny sweeping the leg. Like sweep the leg on Daniel.” (13:39 – Dan)
  • “Dort’s going to be doing that to good players because he's guarding good players.” (14:33 – Jason)
• Quick rundowns of top NBA teams by defensive strength, both East and West.

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5. Draft, Tanking, and NBA Storylines

(19:00 – 24:00)

• Exasperation with tanking, the NBA draft lottery’s randomness, and rapidly shifting narratives.
• Skepticism toward revisionist history around big trades (e.g., Luka trade results):
  • “It's not like Nico Harrison or Mark Cuban went down to Georgia and made a deal with the devil.” (21:19 – Dan)
• Banter about pop culture references related to “The Devil Went Down to Georgia” and “crossroads” deals in sports lore.

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6. The Bulls’ All-Time Elite Defenders (HoopsHype Quiz Segment)

(24:11 – 47:19)

• Jason quizzes Dan on “The 79 Best Defensive Players in NBA History,” focusing on the 16 who played for the Bulls (per HoopsHype).
• Lively back-and-forth as they work through names:
  • Rodman, Pippen, Jordan, Nate Thurmond, Tyson Chandler, Jimmy Butler, Joachim Noah, Charles Oakley, Dwyane Wade, Jerry Sloan, Horace Grant, Ben Wallace, Norm Van Lier, Metta World Peace (Ron Artest), Pat Beverley, Rajon Rondo.
• Fun tidbits about each player’s Bulls tenure, obscure defensive stats, and generational gaps in knowledge.

Notable Quotes

• “You got to give Dillingham time. He needs an offseason. ... It's a bunch of pent up energy. It’s the Zoomies.” (17:10 – Dan)
• “He was a brilliant passer. ... You can win a title with him as your point guard. Yes.” (40:39 – Jason, on Rondo)
• “Jordan is the highest ranked guard.” (43:11 – Jason)
• “Andrei Kirilenko... if he were in this NBA, he would be a star.” (44:39 – Jason)

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7. Lottery Simulations, Final Gripes, and Exit

(47:20 – 50:17)

• Rapid-fire virtual spins on Tankathon to see how many times it takes to get the Bulls the #1 pick—results are not inspiring.
• Reset of lottery odds and the importance of “ping pong balls”—no substitute for real luck.

Quote

“All that matters is that one time they do the Ping pong balls.” (49:46 – Dan)

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8. Sign Off & Banter: Real Life vs. Bulls Life

(50:19 – End)

• Dan ribs Jason about having to “study for midterms”—the conversation morphs into playful jabs about being nerds and college economics.
• Wryly, Dan summarizes the core Bulls fan emotion:
  • “When our goal is when we are doing this again next week, that the Bulls lose every time and have surpassed the Memphis Grizzlies in the Tankathon standings.” (47:20)
• Episode closes with the hosts wishing (half-jokingly) for more Bulls losses and a better pick next week.

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Table of Notable Bulls Mentioned in the NBA All-Defensive Greats Quiz

| Player | Rank | Bulls Tenure Notes | |-------------------|---------|------------------------------------------| | Dennis Rodman | #5 | Epic rebounding, “Nasty Boys” Pistons | | Scottie Pippen | #6 | Prototype wing stopper, all-time Bulls | | Ben Wallace | #7 | Bulls cameo, fame from Pistons | | Michael Jordan | #15 | Highest guard, all-time two-way giant | | Metta World Peace | #24 | As Ron Artest, early Bulls years | | Nate Thurmond | #26 | Historic big, short Bulls stint | | Tyson Chandler | #41 | Pre-peak, Bulls draft pick | | Norm Van Lier | #46 | Chicago legend and cohost of Dan | | Jerry Sloan | #59 | “The Original Bull”, hardwood tough guy | | Horace Grant | #56 | Undervalued defensive anchor | | Jimmy Butler | #55 | Two-way wing, All-NBA in Chicago | | Rajon Rondo | #62 | Brief Bulls stay, reputation from Boston | | Charles Oakley | #69 | “Punch-you-in-the-face” defense | | Dwyane Wade | #75 | Bulls’ legend, mostly Heat legacy | | Pat Beverley | #71 | Recent, classic Chicago grit | | Joachim Noah | #57 | Heart/soul of the Thibodeau-era D |

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Overall Tone & Takeaways

• The episode is classic Bernstein—mixing biting realism (“It’s bad bad.”), dark Bulls humor, and deep-dive hoops nerdiness.
• Jason’s stats and historical references are balanced by Dan’s dry wit and exasperated-but-loyal fan energy.
• The Bulls’ fanbase may not have a winner this year, but they can still take pride in the franchise’s legacy of defensive greatness and in their skill at navigating “the tank.”

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Essential Timestamps

• Tankathon standings, odds breakdown: 01:29 – 04:43
• Fun bad vs. bad bad Bulls debate: 06:08 – 06:33
• Player development discussion: 16:46 – 18:29
• OKC Thunder envy/development talk: 10:27 – 12:03
• NBA Defensive Quiz begins: 24:11
• Closing lottery simulation session: 47:20 – 49:46

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This episode is a must-listen for Bulls diehards, NBA quiz heads, and anyone curious about how fandom evolves during a tanking season—equal parts therapy, trivia, and Chicago grit.

Transcript

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[Dan Bernstein]

Probably not.

[Jason]

Probably not going to catch Dallas but at the moment they're ninth in the tank a thon standings with a 20.3% chance of a top four pick and 4.5% chance of the number one overall, a move up of just one. One, you know, up meaning down. If they can get. If they can out lose Memphis, that would have them jump to a 26.3% chance of a top four pick and a 6% chance of the number one overall.

[Dan Bernstein]

Not bad. Not bad. And they're.

[Jason]

They're 1 and 9 in their last 10.

[Dan Bernstein]

I also think that New Orleans could slide down these rankings. Why? Because Dejounte Murray is back. It says they lost two right here, but they're six and four in their last 10. And to finish February, they won three straight. And so from. Because I had to write an article about the Pelicans for this week. So Johnte Murray's back, Sadiq Bay is putting up buckets. Zion's healthy, Herb Jones is healthy, Trey Murphy is healthy. And both their rookies are healthy, which is the first time in God knows how long where they've had their entire team on the floor at the same time.

[Jason]

But they also have a six win advantage in the win column because they. They've only.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm just. I'm just saying in general, I think they could slide down one.

[Jason]

And Dallas passes.

[Dan Bernstein]

And Dallas passes them. And hopefully Memphis just keeps sucking.

[Jason]

Now the games to look at here.

[Dan Bernstein]

Keeps winning. I'm sorry.

[Jason]

I know it's hard to. It's hard to do when you're looking at inverse standings. It changes all of the other words.

[Dan Bernstein]

Keep winning, please.

[Jason]

Like, be better than we are. It's hard to do because it is so antithetical to everything we're trained to do as fans. And it sucks, frankly. Yeah, it does. It sucks. But you get it and it's okay. You know, I was. I was trying to talk you down last night when you're like, oh, Boozelis is injured. Giddy is out. And I was like, yeah. And why?

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, I know I sent those texts. And then I realized, I was like, wait, that's not so bad, right?

[Jason]

That's how it's supposed to be.

[Dan Bernstein]

As long as it's not serious. Because those are the two guys that aren't going anywhere after this offseason, presumably. But you.

[Jason]

You missed the 270 run. You missed the big 270 run.

[Dan Bernstein]

I was. I was asleep.

[Jason]

And even if you're like, damn it, Bulls, stop making these shots, stop it. And after a while you're like, oh, I guess it's one of these games. Okay. I mean, you can't lose everything. And you know, you feel for the players. That's the thing, is that they're they're trying to.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

All these. The stars, the scrubs.

[Dan Bernstein]

It must suck to lose this much. Yes. For them.

[Jason]

Yes. Even if they understand what the team is trying to do, they're not trying to lose. Billy Donovan isn't trying to lose. And all those coaches lined up behind him in their gray quarter zips, all sitting there. They're not trying to lose. But. So I guess. But other teams now are resting their stars against the Bulls, so it always turns into these bum fests. So I'm surprised that you're not having the time of your life.

[Dan Bernstein]

I was and I texted you last night. This has gone from fun bad to bad bad.

[Jason]

Oh, it's bad bad. It's. It's.

[Dan Bernstein]

It used to be fun bad. I also think Simon's had a lot to do with it and he's out right now. I do like Yabuzeli a lot for the fun bad side of it, but

[Jason]

that's not fun bad, though. Like, I define.

[Dan Bernstein]

He might just be fun because he's not terrible.

[Jason]

I define fun bad as like, so bad. It's fun that you're just laughing at how comical it is. And I'm still there a little bit.

[Dan Bernstein]

Nick Richards. No.

[Jason]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

His hands.

[Jason]

Nick Richards trying to catch a basketball. And the turnovers. This team is capable of some absolutely spectacular boneheaded turnovers. Like the one. Did you see your guy Dilly when he. He ran into his own dribble and back kicked it. He heel kicked the ball over his own head directly to the other team.

[Dan Bernstein]

What a guy.

[Jason]

Some of his are just like. He is in such a hurry to do something, and it usually is. He speeds over someplace or he goes as far as he can without running into something, and then he hands the ball away. He's terrible.

[Dan Bernstein]

The guy. The guy that I didn't really expect to do anything was Leonard Miller. He did. He hasn't looked terrible, even though he texted me and said he looks okay. Yeah.

[Jason]

You know, there is definitely something developable there.

[Dan Bernstein]

And he's more so than a guy like Dale and Terry would have been.

[Jason]

I don't know what Dalen Terry's gonna do. I don't know, but I don't know. I just. I'm trying to be objective about everybody. And Leonard Miller has got a weird body, but he plays really hard.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's 6 10.

[Jason]

Yeah. He is long. He can shoot it a little bit. That's a developmental guy. I don't think that's a. That's a.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's not a bad athlete.

[Jason]

No, it's not a contributing piece on a good team. But man, when you see the other team's bad players, when you look at

[Dan Bernstein]

Oklahoma City, nobody on that team is bad.

[Jason]

I know. And you look at their bench when you had Jalen Williams, Jay Lynn, Jay Lynn Williams. And by the way, did you see the thing I sent you on Instagram? The rapper talking about all the Jalen's.

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Jason]

Have you watched it? Dude, when I send you stuff, watch it.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, I don't feel like it sometimes.

[Jason]

Jerk. Well, it's really funny.

[Dan Bernstein]

You don't watch everything I send you.

[Jason]

No, but eat it.

[Dan Bernstein]

The.

[Jason]

This, this thing I sent you is very funny about the. It's about the. The number of Jalen's in the NBA.

[Dan Bernstein]

There are a lot of them.

[Jason]

They're something like 30 or it's. It's some crazy number. And because all the teams with double Jalens, it's very funny. But anyway, when you saw him and McCain.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, McCain's good.

[Jason]

He might. McCain's really good. And if he's just willing to be a bench guy on this team while they're winning titles and winning things, he's going to get sick of that soon.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, McCain's going to be sick of that because he's too good for. He's too good for that. However, he's the type of guy that wouldn't care and just play a role. The only thing is that he's young.

[Jason]

Yeah. But when he gets to that next contract, I'm not saying he's a star, but he's. He's better than just a second unit player, I think. And he's got a lot there.

[Dan Bernstein]

He can score at many levels.

[Jason]

Yeah. And he's tough and he's smart and he can pass pretty well too. Now, years ago, and this is going to, this is.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm only worried about injuries with him. Well, because of last season with the acl and then he had the thumb thing this year. So having those two injuries back to back this early in your career, it's not great. But I do think that there's something there. I think A.J. mitchell, who wasn't playing, has also. He's also had a really good year. Isaiah Joe can play and Casen Wallace. Stacy was glazing the hell out of him.

[Jason]

Well, he's one of those guys. They're so tough. Sam Presti has just. When you're a Bulls fan and you look at what that franchise has done and how they've taken care of their resources and they valued draft capital and they Move on from mistakes quickly and it's. That's how you do it right there. That's. That's vision. It's.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's their first round pick after they won the title.

[Jason]

That's wild. And moving on from Giddy. You know, seeing Giddy's a top five pick in top six pick and just being like, yeah, no, doesn't fit. Let's flip him for something that's going to help us win in. And

[Dan Bernstein]

they're probably happy that Giddy's doing well. I'm sure they are.

[Jason]

Sure. Sure they are. But that's how good they were. That's so deep. Let me just finish the thought on McCain that this is. And don't get me wrong, I'm not. This is not a direct comp. But when you see a reserve who you think might be a star. They had one in Hardin, remember. Do you remember when Harden was toiling on the second unit and who was it? Was it Shane Battier? I think it was Shane. We might have been talking to him. Shane Battier said Harden's a star. He's a star. He's a star. He's a star.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, I mean he was the third overall pick though.

[Jason]

Yeah, but he wasn't starting. You know what I mean? Like he was. It was hard to.

[Dan Bernstein]

He was the sixth man. He was the sixth man on an NBA Finals team. And.

[Jason]

But also with his game being as weird as it was.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right.

[Jason]

It was people. It was hard to envision the fact that he kind of for a while was bending the NBA to his will.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh my God. Kind of.

[Jason]

Are you kidding me?

[Dan Bernstein]

He was scoring as I know you don't like Stephen A. Smith, but he was averaging 40. Yeah. And changing the way every other night he dropped 60 on your favorite team when he just felt like it. Regardless of whether or not 35 of those points were free throws. 60 points. 60 points.

[Jason]

And he changed the way the game is officiated. There are rules, changes about what constitutes

[Dan Bernstein]

the modern version of that you could argue is the Oklahoma City Thunders best player right now who, who we didn't even see because he was another guy that his rookie year was, was an oat, was a decent reserve that had a lot of potential that the Clippers didn't need. So they made a trade to get Paul George because they were like, okay, we need to win right now. Thunder got five first round picks and Shea Gilder's Alexander. So that, that goes to prove your point again.

[Jason]

Yeah, it's, it's.

[Dan Bernstein]

And Lou Dor was I. I'm just going to say hate. Hate the guy. Hate his game.

[Jason]

Which one do you hate the guy or you hate his game?

[Dan Bernstein]

His game, his game. I'm sure he's not a horrible person.

[Jason]

I don't know. Because his reputation is as a dude. His reputation as a competitor and as a member of NBA brethren. You can't be sticking your knees out like that. We talked about this last year. He's always done this in ball screen

[Dan Bernstein]

actions, and he does it to stars, too. That's the thing. He's Johnny sweeping the leg. Like, sweep the leg on Daniel.

[Jason]

Well, it's. It's. It's John Kreese telling Johnny, Sorry, Lawrence to sweep the leg. And then him. His eyes darting around. Do you remember the time where. When you first saw that movie.

[Dan Bernstein]

What is it like Kafka? Is it Kafka? Will. Like Will something. That's the actor.

[Jason]

William Zaba.

[Dan Bernstein]

William Zabka. Okay.

[Jason]

I was thinking, no, he didn't sweep the leg. He woke up and he was a. He was a giant cockroach. He was Gregor Samsa. No. Yeah. And then I said the tweet and he was like, yeah, smart kid.

[Dan Bernstein]

Doesn't matter. But, yeah. Lou Dort needs to stop.

[Jason]

He ain't gonna stop. And there's I. Lou Dort is going to be doing that to good players because he's guarding good players.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, that's it.

[Jason]

It's always going to be somebody, the

[Dan Bernstein]

only other guy on their team. Well, they have a lot of guys on that team that can guard good players. I was saying Caruso, Casey, Wallace's. I just realized how good of a defender Case and Wallace is. McCain, he's okay, but he's more. His game is more offensive. Mm. The. The team that stands in their way in the west is San Antonio. And the only team in the east that I really think has a shot is Detroit, because they are nasty.

[Jason]

Not the Knicks.

[Dan Bernstein]

Nah, nah. Detroit's too strong.

[Jason]

Detroit's too strong. And see, that's the thing that I think Detroit's second unit actually, with, like, Holland and those guys, you know, who's

[Dan Bernstein]

been playing a lot for them on the green. He's been getting minutes. I know he has legitimate minutes against the Thunder. When they won last week. He was playing in the fourth quarter.

[Jason]

Yeah, he had. Against the Bulls. He had two Javante moments where. What did you. What do you say about his threes? Where it's either bottom of the net or it's an airball.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, I think I said that about Javon Carter. But I thought, I think the same thing could apply to Javante Green. I don't, I don't mind that take.

[Jason]

He'll throw up some, some, some prayers every once in a while with that high arcing shot. But you know what, Giddy was doing that too. I don't know what happened to him, but he, his targeting system is, is, is way off and he's still jumping in the air without somebody to pass to. I can't get him to stop doing that. I don't know how bad this, this latest rolled ankle is, but you know, keeping him out doesn't do any good because we need to see who can play well with them. And I will tell you this, you know, I don't think from what I've seen, just updating Colin Sexton doesn't really know he has any teammates on the floor ever.

[Dan Bernstein]

I love him though. He's fine. But he's a nice guy.

[Jason]

Stop. But he's, he doesn't acknowledge that there

[Dan Bernstein]

are other players out there which. So did they really just trade everybody for a bunch of second round picks?

[Jason]

I mean, none of these players are any good. Simons, fine, but he's not here and he's probably not going to resign. None of the players who would resign.

[Dan Bernstein]

Simons is too good to resign with this team because he's a guy that goes to a team and helps helps them win a title.

[Jason]

Right? There's. The more I see of Dillingham, the

[Dan Bernstein]

less I think I still. You got to give Dillingham time. I think time is the biggest thing with him. He needs an off season. He's had a whirlwind of a career so far in the sense that he hasn't played enough. And so now he's thrust into these minutes. And so I think part of it is, oh, I finally get to play. I can go, go, go. It's a bunch of pent up energy. Is the Zoomies. That's the way I describe Rob Dillingham.

[Jason]

He's like a dog with the Zoomies.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's the way I describe it right now. He hasn't played in a while and so I think with a full off season, give him a little bit of time. I know it's going to be his third year in the league next season. I would still play him in the summer league. Okay. I would still, I would still just let him get some run in the summer league and just go from there because I think that that's a dude that could be a sixth man or if he develops A catch and shoot three. Why can't he go along with Giddy and try to, well, replace Kobe White? I get.

[Jason]

Because some of his threes, again, are just, like, all over the place. He has shots that aren't close.

[Dan Bernstein]

He hasn't played in three since he's playing college is what I'm trying to say.

[Jason]

Okay, all right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Give him some time.

[Jason]

Excuse me.

[Dan Bernstein]

What the hell was that?

[Jason]

I swallowed wrong. I'm not good. I need practice. I haven't been swallowing.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, pause. What the hell?

[Jason]

Sorry. I just did it wrong. I was bad. I'm not good at it. Did you see what happened?

[Dan Bernstein]

She got on my baby mama. Jesus.

[Jason]

Did you see what happened with Luca and Redick?

[Dan Bernstein]

No, I didn't.

[Jason]

On the sideline where he didn't fist bump him, and then they yelled at each other and they're making.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, that sounds like white guy shit.

[Jason]

Well, it's also like slow news time, where everything is being. Being magnified now because nothing's really happening. I mean, I think a headline of. Of Con caniple now being the rookie of the year favorite. That is a big story.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, I was just gonna say that the. The All Star weekend was so busy with everything, and the KD stuff and the Jordan stuff and the anti tanking, there were a lot of things just floating around, and the discourse was about multiple things at once. And now that's passed, it's just kind of okay, well.

[Jason]

Well, what I'm hoping doesn't happen, I'm hoping that this little Luke will blow up.

[Dan Bernstein]

Concrete was really good. I saw a TikTok today where it was Klay Thompson. Every single time Con Canipple hits a three, it just showed a clip of Knipple hitting a three. And then Clay Thompson just goes, ow. It's like every single time he hits three, Klay Thompson is just deteriorating, and everything from him is going.

[Jason]

See, but that's the. I hate that because that's the zero sum fallacy of if this guy's good, this guy's not.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, no, it's a joke.

[Jason]

This guy or that guy?

[Dan Bernstein]

It's. It was very clearly a joke, Dad.

[Jason]

I know it's a joke, but it still plays to that same. It's like the NBA thing. Like, there can be only one guy who's great, and this guy's the best of this.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, that's not what it's about. It's about content. I just thought it was funny.

[Jason]

All right, well, the content I don't like right now is revisionist history regarding the Luca Deal saying somehow Nico Harrison was so many steps ahead, understanding that they'd get Cooper Flagg and then they might lose their way into another high pick. And this is all what they had in mind when they traded Luca. No, I don't buy it. I don't buy any of that. I don't to say that. Well, wait, look at. Look at who's going to be better off. You're on mute, dumbass.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oops. Oops. I muted when I got up. If that is what is happening, if that's the discourse, I. I'm done. I'm done. I'm deleting everything.

[Jason]

You haven't heard it.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm out.

[Jason]

You haven't heard the stuff about. Oh, my God, just.

[Dan Bernstein]

You're on NBA Qanon.

[Jason]

No, I'm not. Just wait. Wait for the think pieces to come out. If, in fact, it's bad enough. If, in fact, Dallas ends up lucking into the top three and they end up.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay, fine. They might. Good for them. All right? It's not. It's not like Nico Harrison or Mark Cuban went down to Georgia and made a deal with the devil. You know what I mean? They didn't sell their soul.

[Jason]

Okay, all right, hold on, hold on, hold on.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes, I know that song.

[Jason]

Okay. Mom said. Yeah, you guys were out somewhere and that song came on or something, or she something. And then. And then you.

[Dan Bernstein]

I started singing it word for word. Yeah.

[Jason]

And you were surprised that she knew the song.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, I didn't know how much she was into southern music.

[Jason]

You understand the Devil Went down to Georgia was what they refer to as a crossover hit.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes, I know what that is.

[Jason]

Okay? And back in the day, when that was a thing. It was a thing.

[Dan Bernstein]

It was a monoculture. It's the entire movie of sinners.

[Jason]

If something got into the monoculture, what's the entire movie of Sinners?

[Dan Bernstein]

How? Like there was a crossroads, like the devil.

[Jason]

Oh, well, that's the story of Robert Johnson and. Yes, yes, that's what I mean. Crossroads.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's the famous song, Making a deal with the Devil.

[Jason]

The song by Eric Clapton. Yeah, Right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. Not by Eric Clapton. I don't know thing.

[Jason]

Crossroads. Oh, cross went down to the crossroads. But Eric Clapton is a racist. He's awful. And he still hasn't been canceled for being a racist, but so be it.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, well, all right.

[Jason]

I want. I have been waiting to get to this since I saw it. And I know we can play the

[Dan Bernstein]

showdown music, but it's going to take this long. We're only 20 minutes in. Dude.

[Jason]

I know, I know.

[Dan Bernstein]

Are you serious?

[Jason]

Yeah. It's gonna be really fun.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Jason]

It's gonna be the moment I saw this.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, so is this just a Jason quiz moment or something?

[Jason]

Kinda, yeah, it is kind of.

[Dan Bernstein]

And it's gonna take me 20 minutes.

[Jason]

I don't know how long it's gonna take you shut up.

[Dan Bernstein]

So do we do the showdown music?

[Jason]

Fine.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right. Cody, play it.

[Jason]

Now, technically this isn't a showdown. I just like the music.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay?

[Jason]

Now this is, this is a non showdown showdown that we're doing. I just want to make sure that I have this in front of me because I wrote some things down here.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh God. Is this like a multi. Is this preparation for my midterms tomorrow? This is what it feels like.

[Jason]

No, so what this is, this comes from hoops hype.com. okay. And what hoops hype did you know they have several lists of all time rankings and every once in a while they go into one of their all time rankings lists and they update it. They do it annually during the off season and they do some adjustments and for the first time last year, they put this list together and they've just updated it. They have just decided to add, you know, to take into account current players, et cetera, and just to make sure that based on everything we know about the history of the NBA, that this is a list that they believe that represents them like just the best players of all time.

[Dan Bernstein]

Not.

[Jason]

This is just. Wait. They held a team vote within the their offices for the opinions of multiple hoops hype staff members. They discard the highest and lowest ranks for each player and then they award points based on the remaining positions.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wait, say that again.

[Jason]

They disregard what highest and lowest ranks for each player.

[Dan Bernstein]

What does that mean?

[Jason]

It just, it takes out outliers. They have everybody vote and then the highest ranks out and lowest ranks out. It's common when you're soliciting a lot of these scores. They toss the extremes and they think it's more representative in the middle. Okay, so this list now is the 79 best defensive players in the history of the NBA. Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Jason]

Now on this list, and I was surprised, out of 79 players, let me ask you first, how many do you think have played for The Chicago Bulls?

[Dan Bernstein]

Seven.

[Jason]

Sixteen.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, okay.

[Jason]

There are 16 players who are believed by one time.

[Dan Bernstein]

Could it mean one game or like a significant.

[Jason]

Theoretically it could mean one game, but there's no trick. There's really no trick questions in here.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right.

[Jason]

I don't think there's one. So base. Yes. So from 1 to 79, there are 16 former bulls. And all I want you to do. And they do this. Let me make sure that we get into how they do the rankings. Just so you know that they do it for regular season and for playoffs. And this has to do with your stats in those games and your awards, your times appearing on all defensive teams and defensive player of the year. But again, defensive player of the year is relatively new compared to all defense. And blocks weren't kept and steals weren't kept back in the day, in the deep day. But can you name the 16 former Bulls on this list?

[Dan Bernstein]

Michael Jordan.

[Jason]

Michael Jordan is the fourth former Bull on the list.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right. Scotty Pippen.

[Jason]

Wait, hold on. And Jordan is 15th overall.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't need to hear that. I just want to know. I just want to know.

[Jason]

I'm trying to add some expository information here, Mr. Penis. All right. Who did you say Scottie Pippen is? 6th overall. The 6th best defensive player ever.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wow. I wonder where Kawhi is then.

[Jason]

He's on the list. I don't have in front of me, but yeah, he's there. There are numerous active players.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, I'm sure. I don't think he was that great of a defender, but is Rodman going to be on there?

[Jason]

Rodman is the number number five defender in NBA history.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wow.

[Jason]

He is one ahead of second.

[Dan Bernstein]

I always thought he was a better rebounder than he was on the Bulls.

[Jason]

He was okay when he was a Piston. He was as nasty as they were as the Nasty Boys. But by the time he got to the Bulls. And it's also. Remember, they count defensive rebounding as part of defense to some extent and it should be counted that way. But Rodman as a Bull was a much better rebounder than he was defender at that time in his career.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm just going to say Jimmy Butler.

[Jason]

Jimmy Butler is 55th.

[Dan Bernstein]

Good call. What? Four.

[Jason]

That's four. Jimmy Buckets is 55th on the list.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm gonna go. Artist Gilmore. No, no, no. Okay.

[Jason]

No, no. Artist was.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right. I don't. I don't think this is right. But I just want to throw out an older name. Nate thurmond.

[Jason]

Nate Thurman, 26th. I did not think you would get Nate Thurmond, but yes, Nate Thurmond is. Is number 26. Terrific defense player

[Dan Bernstein]

joke. You know, he's defensive player of the year.

[Jason]

Gotta be Joachim Noah, number 57.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, good. Good defensive player. So that's six I have right now.

[Jason]

Yeah, you're doing quite well.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm gonna go. I don't. He was an okay defender. He was only a bowl for a year. Dwyane Wade just has a caveat. Is he on here?

[Jason]

Number 75.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's huge. That's huge. I gotta remember these, like, one year.

[Jason]

Number 75. I didn't think. And I was a little surpr. See him on.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, me too. In his early days. Because of his speed, I think.

[Jason]

Yep, yep. So you've got seven of the 16.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'll go luau. Dang.

[Jason]

No.

[Dan Bernstein]

Interesting. I always thought he was a good defender. I agree now, but no, now it's getting a little dicey for me. It's getting. It's getting pretty dicey. I might just start throwing out names now.

[Jason]

There's no shame in that. I mean, the fact that you got seven off the top is pretty impressive.

[Dan Bernstein]

Derek Rose. No, no. Elton. Oh. Tyson Chandler. Tyson Chandler, number 41. Bang.

[Jason]

Very good. Tyson Chandler, number 41.

[Dan Bernstein]

Definitely not. Carlos Boozer. No.

[Jason]

Even though he was a good defensive rebounder, but that's about it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Nicola Vucevich. Let's see. I'm just kidding. Rim protection. I'm going to guess Longley or Wennington. Nope.

[Jason]

And no. And hell no.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, Charles Oakley.

[Jason]

Charles Oakley, 69th. Nice. Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

And then Charles Oakley.

[Jason]

When you were allowed to punch people in the face.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right, right. And off of that, I'm gonna go Bill Cartwright. No. Okay. I don't think that's a bad guess, though, is it?

[Jason]

I didn't say it was two, coach.

[Dan Bernstein]

No. Yeah, I know. I'm going to.

[Jason]

He's closer to the Doug McDermott.

[Dan Bernstein]

So how many do I have? Nine.

[Jason]

You have. You have Rodman, Pippen, Jordan, Nate Thurmond, Tyson Chandler, Jimmy Butler, Joachim Noah, Charles Oakley, and Dwayne Wade.

[Dan Bernstein]

So that's nine. I'm going to throw out B.J. armstrong. No. I'm going to throw out Ron Harper. Nope.

[Jason]

I will say you're missing the seventh best defensive player in NBA history who is eight spots ahead of Jordan.

[Dan Bernstein]

Was he a Bull for a while?

[Jason]

Yeah, he was a. He was a notable bull, I would say.

[Dan Bernstein]

Was it before or after Jordan?

[Jason]

It was after.

[Dan Bernstein]

After.

[Jason]

There are. Yeah, there are several.

[Dan Bernstein]

Gill. Kendall. Gill.

[Jason]

No, he was a great, really good defender, but no.

[Dan Bernstein]

And I'm just. I know he wouldn't be eighth, but I was just thinking that he could sneak up on there. Let's see, After Michael Jordan, did I ever see him play in person?

[Jason]

There are two before Michael Jordan.

[Dan Bernstein]

There's an all of Them are after.

[Jason]

There's no, there's. There's one contemporary and the rest are after.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay, one contemporary with Michael Jordan. You have.

[Jason]

You have Pippin and you have Rodman.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah,

[Jason]

There. And. But this, this I'm trying to remember. It really isn't. If you start thinking about all time great Bulls, there's definitely more you should get.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, Bob Love.

[Jason]

No, no.

[Dan Bernstein]

Jerry sloan.

[Jason]

Sloan is 59th. Yes. That's 10. Jerry Sloan.

[Dan Bernstein]

So there's only one more.

[Jason]

Yeah, one more old guy who was usually. If you say Sloan, you say this guy next.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't know that arrow well enough. Strickland. No.

[Jason]

Oh, no, no. Strickland. He wouldn't know.

[Dan Bernstein]

I think I was thinking of like Sparrow or whatever. This one I think I'll probably be upset.

[Jason]

Well, there's one. There's a couple. You're going to be upset at all these. You're definitely going to be upset at. Number seven, number 24. Number 46.

[Dan Bernstein]

Number 56. You're saying number seven was after. Did I ever watch him play? Yeah, like as a bull.

[Jason]

I don't know if you would remember if you did. Let me look him up to. To see. I don't. I don't remember you having a jersey of his.

[Dan Bernstein]

So what? Like it's not going to be no. Or Gordon or.

[Jason]

Let's see. This guy was a bull in 0607. Yeah. You were too young.

[Dan Bernstein]

I would need to. It was. Was he good after he left the Bulls as well?

[Jason]

Not really, no.

[Dan Bernstein]

Really? So he was only a Bull for one season.

[Jason]

He was a bull for the 0607 season.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right.

[Jason]

And he was good.

[Dan Bernstein]

Derrick Rose.

[Jason]

Yeah. But he wasn't.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, one. You said one contemporary. Would Horace Grant be on that?

[Jason]

Yes. Horace Grant is number 56.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Should have gotten that one earlier for sure.

[Jason]

Yeah. Horace was a terrific, you know, a length of the floor defensive player. Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Jason]

Yeah. And this guy had a run. The guy that. Who was number seven overall had four consecutive All Star appearances and then at age 32 joined the Bulls as a free agent. A splashy free agent signing.

[Dan Bernstein]

So he was born in 1970.

[Jason]

He was. He was traded from the Bulls the next year at the deadline and then we really just went all downhill from there. That was. That was pretty much it for him after that he hung around for a while, but was.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm just trying to. And you said four time all star. Was he a wing? No. Guard?

[Jason]

No.

[Dan Bernstein]

Big man.

[Jason]

Yep.

[Dan Bernstein]

Like big, big man. Oh. He was traded to Cleveland. His name is Ben Wallace. That's it correct that I forgot? I forgot. I know Ben Wallace was a Bull. I, I.

[Jason]

Do you remember watching him play, though?

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't know. But I do remember, like seeing like a Benoit's Bulls jersey, you know, type

[Jason]

thing or like in a store or something.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jason]

Okay. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm gonna guess Tyrus Thomas.

[Jason]

So you have 12 now.

[Dan Bernstein]

Tyrus Thomas.

[Jason]

Tyrus Thomas. No. Gibson, you need number 24, number 46, number 62, and number 71.

[Dan Bernstein]

You should get number 24 after.

[Jason]

Yeah. The one before was. Was known in the backcourt with Jerry Sloan. Known as a physical. Tough, tough.

[Dan Bernstein]

Am I going to get made fun of if I don't get this or just young?

[Jason]

Well, he was a, he was a colleague of mine and I've hosted shows with him and I learned a lot about basketball from him.

[Dan Bernstein]

Not a white guy or was he a white guy?

[Jason]

No, no.

[Dan Bernstein]

Nope.

[Jason]

No, I won't, I won't let his memory be sullied.

[Dan Bernstein]

Hosted shows?

[Jason]

Yes. No. Yeah. Yeah. Hosted shows with him.

[Dan Bernstein]

Like flattery. Hosted like before you.

[Jason]

Yeah, before. Like before I was full time when I would, I would sub.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, I wouldn't.

[Jason]

On the morning show occasionally. And.

[Dan Bernstein]

Do I know the name?

[Jason]

Hell yeah. Yeah, you know the name. He, he was, he wants, like, he'd fight guys. He'd fight guys and he would occasionally like, maybe wait for you outside the locker room to fight you.

[Dan Bernstein]

Can you give me the number? Do you remember what number he was? That's the only. Oh, God.

[Jason]

And if I remember what number he

[Dan Bernstein]

was, he was pretty good. Yeah. Do you think he should have his number retired?

[Jason]

I kind of thought instead of Derrick Rose he should have his number.

[Dan Bernstein]

Really?

[Jason]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

I hate to say. I hate to say. I got nothing for you right now.

[Jason]

Norm Van Lear.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, Jason.

[Jason]

Norm Van lear is, was 46. Yeah, that one you should have gotten. And I'm. You should get 24 too.

[Dan Bernstein]

So this is after Jordan.

[Jason]

Yeah, yeah. And I will. Shortly after Jordan. When he was done. And when Jordan was a wizard. This guy was a Bull. He was. And I'll accept either one of his names.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, Ron World Peace.

[Jason]

Yes, Metta World Peace, aka Ron Artest, the 24th ranked defensive player in the history of the NBA.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Now you've got the two. The last two are really difficult. They're not known as being Chicago Bulls, but they both played for the Bulls. One very recently. One probably two, three years ago. Two years ago, I think.

[Dan Bernstein]

Interesting.

[Jason]

71st and number 62.

[Dan Bernstein]

No way. It's like Goran Dragic or Something.

[Jason]

No, but it's.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's Ramen.

[Jason]

It's a guy just with a much better defensive reputation. A guy who lasted, I think 12 years in the NBA and pretty much was known as a. A pesky, pesky kind of defense.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, Pat Bev Is Pat Bev.

[Jason]

Number 71, Pat Bev. Just an absolute pain in your ass.

[Dan Bernstein]

Thompson isn't the next one.

[Jason]

No, that good name. And the other one.

[Dan Bernstein]

Don't tell me, don't tell me.

[Jason]

Is number 62. Good player.

[Dan Bernstein]

Good.

[Jason]

And not just a defender, but he

[Dan Bernstein]

made a late career Bulls guy with them for like a year.

[Jason]

Yep. Late career Bulls guy.

[Dan Bernstein]

Was I alive?

[Jason]

By what? Was I alive watching? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You mentioned one of the guys on the list late in his career that he played with came in the same year, I believe.

[Dan Bernstein]

D. Wade.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, so if it was 2017. Oh, I got to get this then. Yeah, that's because that had Rondo. Yes, Rondo.

[Jason]

Rondo. Okay, you got him. You got them all in. In order.

[Dan Bernstein]

Rondo. I just didn't remember how good of a defender he was.

[Jason]

Yeah, he was like. When you think about the career that he had.

[Dan Bernstein]

He had a hell of a career man.

[Jason]

Without being able to shoot.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Think about that like you. You have to be a. He was a brilliant passer. And there's no way he's a starting

[Dan Bernstein]

point guard on a champion. And a champion.

[Jason]

Yes. You can win a title with him as your point guard. Yes. So what's interesting here is that 5, 6, and 7 on the list are Rodman, Pippen, Ben Wallace.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wow.

[Jason]

Jordan's 15th. Then Metta World Peace 24.

[Dan Bernstein]

Trying to see who number one would be. Is Kawhi top 10?

[Jason]

I don't think. I see the problem is that they don't have it in list form. It's only in this, like, really ad filled.

[Dan Bernstein]

Draymond Green's gonna be on.

[Jason]

Oh, yeah, he's on there. Kawhi's on there.

[Dan Bernstein]

But if you number Casal is gonna be on.

[Jason]

He's on there. Mark Eaton is on there. But you know, number. Number one is Bill Russell.

[Dan Bernstein]

I just want to know, is Wembanyama already there?

[Jason]

No. And they explained that he's sort of not eligible. They said we factor would be.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, they already like talent wise.

[Jason]

Well, here's what, here's what they say. They said note that we factor longevity into the rankings to a great extent.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, so LeBron's on there, though.

[Jason]

Yeah, of course he is. Said, although Victor Wembanyama could very well one Day top this list. We think his career simply hasn't been long enough to warrant a spot in the.

[Dan Bernstein]

So he had his own asterisk on here?

[Jason]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's insane.

[Jason]

Yeah. Like they used him as the example in their. Their explanation. Sort of inoculating against criticism that he's not on there. Yup.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep.

[Jason]

And it's mostly big guys just because of the way the game is evolving.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't know if anybody has ever had a defensive impact like women Yama has ever had with his ability to. It's because of how quick he is at that length. It's just not normal. It's almost like. It's almost like we haven't seen seen anybody as valuable as Jokic ever offensively. And I will die on that hill. I think he's the greatest offensive player in NBA history. I said it. Well, here's the most valuable.

[Jason]

When I was scrolling through the list, my question was, as I'm seeing all the names, who's the first guard? Who is the highest ranked guard?

[Dan Bernstein]

True guard.

[Jason]

Yeah. Because if you like Tony Allen, he's on the list.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm sure he is.

[Jason]

He was great defender Tony Allen is on the list, but you still see.

[Dan Bernstein]

Where is he?

[Jason]

All of these names. The highest rated active player, Draymond, is 14th, ahead of Jordan. Jordan's 15th. Jordan is the highest. Jordan is the highest ranked guard.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wow.

[Jason]

He's the. Jordan is the. The.

[Dan Bernstein]

Where's Kawhi? Top 20, probably something like that.

[Jason]

No, it's hard, like I say, because I have to keep scrolling and there's no way I was going to waste all the paper printing all this out. But, you know, Giannis is 17th.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, yeah.

[Jason]

Mark Eaton is 18. Kawhi's 19.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason]

Bobby Jones, Bruce Bowen. Who is.

[Dan Bernstein]

Bruce Bowen's got Parish played for so

[Jason]

long, but he's no, see, McHale is on the list. Parrish isn't. McHale was the defender. Tony Allen, number 22.

[Dan Bernstein]

Captain McHale.

[Jason]

No, not that I know a defense ticket.

[Dan Bernstein]

Batman. Nail.

[Safeway/Albertsons Announcer]

Got Ronda.

[Dan Bernstein]

Ronda.

[Jason]

That's the first time someone has not eeled Kevin McHale.

[Dan Bernstein]

Sorry.

[Jason]

Now I'm not gonna think of it the same way. You bastard. No, that's funny, but Andre Iguodala, 28.

[Dan Bernstein]

Shaq. I want Iguodala.

[Jason]

John Havlicek, 30. Michael Cooper, 31. You know, Spencer Haywood, Sean Marion, 33rd. There's that name again.

[Dan Bernstein]

Again. There's favors on there. I feel like he's always on some of these lists.

[Jason]

You know, who's A great name on this list. Who is I. I've decided has now. No. A guy who's now become, I think officially underrated.

[Dan Bernstein]

Who?

[Jason]

Andrei Kirilenko.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, AK47 was nice.

[Jason]

Yeah. That is also just like I was saying about Mahmoud Abdul Rauf. Andrei Kirilenko is so ahead of his time. If he were in this NBA, he would be a star. And I know he had some star turns in that NBA, but that was a guy who just wasn't understood or appreciated for all the things that he could do. And he was a nasty fan.

[Dan Bernstein]

I know it's a little bit late for this, but if modest gains a little weight, do you think that could be part of like you could compare Modest?

[Jason]

Not defensively. He's not as defend.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, no. He's not a bad defender at all. He just needs to gain weight.

[Jason]

Yeah. That's not a terrible name because we

[Dan Bernstein]

were saying what Siakam. We were saying who else?

[Jason]

Yeah, that's right. Good athleticism, long, not a bad shooter.

[Dan Bernstein]

Good athlete.

[Jason]

Yeah. Did you know that Kirilenko is one of only three players in NBA history to average 1.8 steals and 1.8 blocks for his career?

[Dan Bernstein]

One of three players.

[Jason]

The other two are Olajuwon and Robinson.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wow. Oh, they're definitely top ten on that list. Right.

[Jason]

He's also. He also trails only Olajuwon in 5 by 5 games. You know what a 5 by 5

[Dan Bernstein]

is like where you wait, 5 by 5? 5, 5, 5, 5, 5. So 5 points deals, assists, rebounds, blocks.

[Jason]

Yep. The number of games that you have five points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks or more. He had.

[Dan Bernstein]

He.

[Jason]

He only trails Olajuon in that.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Kirilenko was a one time all star. But the only reason why some his career averages are down is because his last two years he was just a. A bench guy. But when he was really playing, I mean he would average 17 in a season. I mean, I also think that Modest might be. Modest is probably averaging more than that because of NBA inflation. I guess you want to call it like scoring inflation.

[Jason]

That's exactly what it is. Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. But I think that, that, that's a comp that you could have because if Carolinko played today, why couldn't. Why couldn't he be putting up, you know, 20 games?

[Jason]

Maybe? I don't know. I don't. I don't.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. And he shot.

[Jason]

I like that.

[Dan Bernstein]

He was a career 31 shooter from 3. I think modest could be. Can be better in that. I think that, you know, I. I think that's a good comp.

[Jason]

Pretty good.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Very good. I'm impressed.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right.

[Jason]

Well, good. That's a good episode. And when our goal is when we are doing this again next week. That the Bulls lose every time. Have. Yeah. And have surpassed the Memphis Grizzlies in the Tankathon standings.

[Dan Bernstein]

Hopefully they do.

[Jason]

All right. Do you want me to see how many times it takes to get the number one pick right now? When?

[Dan Bernstein]

I'll do it. I do have to get going soon, but.

[Jason]

No, no, this is it. Well, we'll end the show here. I'm just going to. I'm going to.

[Dan Bernstein]

I did it once in Dallas. Got the first overall.

[Jason]

I got Dallas too. I also got Dallas. So I just got Memphis.

[Dan Bernstein]

Brooklyn is what I got.

[Jason]

So Memphis again.

[Dan Bernstein]

Atlanta instead of New Orleans.

[Jason]

I got Memphis again.

[Dan Bernstein]

Washington, Dallas again. 4.

[Jason]

Brooklyn is 5.

[Dan Bernstein]

Utah is that 5.

[Jason]

Indiana 6.

[Dan Bernstein]

Sacramento.

[Jason]

Sacramento 7. Sacramento 8. New Orleans 9.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, it's going to Atlanta.

[Jason]

That's right.

[Dan Bernstein]

I've gotten Dallas three times.

[Jason]

Atlanta 10. Atlanta. Because wait, they get Milwaukee's pick. It conveys to Atlanta.

[Dan Bernstein]

I got the second overall pick for the Bulls. Huh? No. Atlanta. No New Orleans. Is pick is going to Atlanta.

[Jason]

Okay, well then Milwaukee came up and that is that. That looked like it was. It said it was going to Atlanta. Yeah. When Milwaukee came up, huh? I don't understand it. Maybe it's just a glitch in the system. Portland. This is taking me too long. Sacramento, Utah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, I hope Portland makes a playoff. So that means The Bulls get two first round picks, right?

[Jason]

Dallas.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm at like 14.

[Jason]

How the.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, okay. OKC Thunder before the Chicago Bulls. Well, that would be swell. Wouldn.

[Jason]

Jesus Christ. I to Washington's. I still haven't gotten the Bulls. Memphis.

[Dan Bernstein]

I haven't. I'm at like Memphis. I've done it 17 times.

[Jason]

Utah, Milwaukee, Dallas.

[Dan Bernstein]

Bulls went to two.

[Jason]

There's two.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm in. I'm in the 20s right now, is what I'll say.

[Jason]

This. This is killing me. Utah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Fourth overall pick.

[Jason]

Brooklyn. They're not even.

[Dan Bernstein]

Got it, got it, got it. I'm at like 26 or something. I got it.

[Jason]

I could be here all day. Number two pick to Brooklyn.

[Dan Bernstein]

I've gotten the number two pick three separate times.

[Jason]

And number three pick. This isn't working. Number three pick. No, I don't like this anymore.

[Dan Bernstein]

This isn't fun.

[Jason]

No, it's not. I thought it was.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, it doesn't matter because it doesn't mean anything. All that matters is that one time they do the Ping pong balls.

[Jason]

I know. It means. It's like I told you that Terry always used to say to David, would we have David Stern on? And you're like, david, show me your balls. I want to see your balls. You're not showing enough people your balls. And nobody. Oh, there it is. Okay, there. It took me for long enough. The bulls move up eight spots to get the number one. All right, we'll take that one there. I'll just leave my screen here for good luck.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, we gotta. I gotta go.

[Jason]

Where you have to be. That's so damn important.

[Dan Bernstein]

I have a production meeting, and I also have two midterms to study for.

[Jason]

Oh, studying for midterms? Like that's important? What are you, some kind of nerd?

[Dan Bernstein]

Not really.

[Jason]

You're highfalutin book learning. Are you doing. Are you being indoctrinated with liberal, horrible left wing propaganda?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes.

[Jason]

Yes. Are you gonna deconstruct? Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Part of my exam is on modern monetary theory and about how, like, basically because the US can print more money, the government is never really in debt.

[Jason]

Well, then get back to what you said about inflation.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right, Exactly. So the only thing is, the only thing that controls that is inflation. And then you have to use taxes as kind of like a drainage system. Like, because. Because if the government spends a lot of money and you're like, okay, prints a lot of money, like, okay, we got to increase the taxes because of the inflation, there are more US Dollars in circulation.

[Jason]

What does the Federal Reserve then do?

[Dan Bernstein]

Huh?

[Jason]

What would the Federal Reserve do as part of Federal.

[Dan Bernstein]

We're more just on concepts. We're on concepts. And being able to just. It's kind of just like being able to have a conversation about different theories when it comes to money.

[Jason]

Oh, so it's cocktail party stuff. It is. You're not actually.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes, but it's very complicated cocktail party stuff.

[Jason]

So basically, if you take this class, you could have an actual conversation with my dad probably, and understand things, maybe. Okay, Good luck.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay, I actually have to go because this meeting started a minute ago.

[Jason]

All right, goodbye. That is organizations win championships 134 like and subscribe and all the lovely things. We thank Cody Delmendo for producing. We'll talk to you next week. Organizations Win Championships, a Chicago Bulls podcast with Jason and dan Bernstein on 312 Sports.