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Dan Bernstein Unfiltered
Chicago Cubs WIN the division - PECOTA | we want the Bulls to LOSE | Mel Brooks
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Matt Abaticola
Dan Bernstein Unfiltered.
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Dan Bernstein
Unfiltered on 312Sports Dan Bernstein Unfiltered on 312Sports is brought to you in partnership with my bookie Dan Bernstein. That's Matt Abaticola Pakota loves the Cubs. Pakota loves your Chicago Cubs.
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Matt Abaticola
So does Matt Abaticola.
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Dan Bernstein
You love them too. I know the Pagoda Engine loves the Cubs there and there's always changes in things you say, well what. What's Pakota? What is scares me. Pakota is an acronym that stands for very it's used named after Bill Pakota, but it's a it's a sort of clunkily constructed acronym by the wonks at Baseball Prospectus that is an algorithmic projection system and every year they changes to it and they make their playoff odds based on their inputs. Here's how they say it it's created by Pakota pass through human curated depth chart playing time estimates because you can't really do this without a person telling the system what players are likely to play what positions at what times.
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Matt Abaticola
It's the player empirical comparison optimization test algorithm.
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Dan Bernstein
Right. Which was.
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Matt Abaticola
Or Pakota.
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Dan Bernstein
Right. Exactly. So it was those the acronym was created after the fact when they decided to name it after completely forgettable major leaguer Bill Pakota.
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Matt Abaticola
Yes.
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Dan Bernstein
And what they said was we did our best to balance the eye friendliness of one loss records with the viability of postseason probabilities compared to the past. It allows things like the Dodgers being the division winner in nearly each of the 1000 simulations we most recently ran to happen. And then they have visual visualizations of the curves of the simulated wins by team. And I'm going to let them say this so I don't have to say what I usually say annually when we do this. Pakota does not pick a team to win any particular number of games. Pakota identifies the simulations, identify an estimated range of games a team he might win, and gives you the average of that fairly wide range. It's about likelihoods, a range of likelihoods, and they say it's early. Pitchers and catchers are just trading tee times for bullpen sessions. The standings will continue to be tuned over the next several weeks until we reach opening day. Do not be surprised if your team moves up or down a few games as rosters finalize and additional tweaks are made. So let's look real quick at your Chicago teams and their respective divisions starting in the NL Central. The simulated standings as of right now have the Cubs as the favorite in the NL Central by 10 games by a wide margin.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, I hope that's true. That'd be nice.
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Dan Bernstein
The Cubs in their simulations have come out with an average win total of 90, and that's a lot for Pakota. So when I give you the Dodgers number, which I think is the highest I've ever seen in this system, you're going to. You're going to. Your, Your, your jaw is going to drop when I give you the Dodgers number, but it's the Cubs at 90 and at the moment ahead of Milwaukee at 80 and 82. That's the gap. That's the chasm that exists right now, according to Pakota, that the Cubs are. Pick whatever word you want. They're a. Pakota has them as a runaway favorite in the Central with a 73.5% chance of winning the division with a 13.6% chance then of winning the wild card. That adds up to a playoff percentage possibility at the moment of 87.1. That's pretty insane.
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Matt Abaticola
That.
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Dan Bernstein
That is. That is as bullish as I've seen this program on the Cubs in recent memory. And then It's Pittsburgh at 80 and 82, also just percentage points behind Milwaukee, Cincinnati at 79 and 83, and then the rebuilding Cardinals at 66 and 96. If you are a Cardinals disliker, it's be a fun year for you. They're trying to be bad, and they're going to be bad.
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Matt Abaticola
Yep.
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Dan Bernstein
They've traded everybody away because they are regrouping, retooling, whatever you like to say. And I don't know if they've used the word rebuild. I don't know. The Bulls won't use the word rebuild.
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Matt Abaticola
So do you remember what Pakota had for the Brewers Last year.
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Dan Bernstein
I don't the brewers routinely outperform their projections. They do and that is something that does happen. If you do know teams have an established history of outperforming their projections. What they will tell you at BP is they want to know why. Why does this team outperform? Is it managerial? But it has really not been managerial because Craig Counsel routinely overperformed. Now Pat Murphy is overperforming. That continued without their manager there. And some managers tend are more likely to over. It's possible that both are really good managers. I think that's probably true and that's part of it. But it does look especially with the surprising Caleb Durbin trade that they they lose a reliable regular and they grabbed a couple of prospects in there, but they don't have any immediate replacement there. They have possibilities and I probably the person who's going to step in is going to be better than you think because that's just how things go. So that's the NL Central. And then you say okay, how does the AL Central look? Where the White Sox.
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Matt Abaticola
Well, I'm sorry, they had the brewers.
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Dan Bernstein
At 80, 80 and 82. For the moment. These can change. And I'm rounding up. And I'm rounding down. It was 80.2 and 81.8. Just like the Cubs are at 90.1 and 71.9. But I'm rounding. So it's a 10 game difference in the averages of their simulations. How about White Sox? Juan Pizarro and all guys I grew up with. White Sox projected 69 and 93. You were looking for 70, right?
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, I said let's get the 70. Let's do 70. 92. That'd be a positive year.
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Dan Bernstein
Absolutely possible.
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Matt Abaticola
Yep.
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Dan Bernstein
Because they are projected in their simulations to make a big improvement to 69 and 93. Kansas City is at 85 and 77. Detroit hot on their heels at 83 and 79. Minnesota at 80 and 82. Cleveland at 76 and 86. And then the White Sox are a distant fifth. The gap between four and five is the largest one in the division.
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Matt Abaticola
What's the Detroit's record?
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Dan Bernstein
Detroit is 83.4 and 78.6. I do not know if this reflects the addition of Justin Verlander.
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Matt Abaticola
Right. And so they have Kansas City as the most wins.
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Dan Bernstein
Yep.
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Matt Abaticola
At 85.
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Dan Bernstein
Yep.
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Matt Abaticola
Huh?
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Dan Bernstein
Correct. Now your east winner.
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Matt Abaticola
Who the.
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Dan Bernstein
Look at the East. I don't think I've ever seen this before. Every single AL east team is projected to be a winning team.
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Matt Abaticola
Really.
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Dan Bernstein
And we know that's not probably possible. There's only so much you can beat up on, you know, White Sox and the angels in the AL. But it's got the Yankees at 88 and 74, Toronto at 87.8 and 74.2. Okay, Baltimore 84.1 and 77.9. Boston 88.2 and 79.8. Tampa Bay at 81.3 and 80.7. Wow, that's pretty amazing. Okay, elsewhere, Atlanta in the east at 90 and 72 or 91 and 71. It's got the Mets just behind them, 89 and 73. Then the Phillies 86, 76. In the west, the Dodgers 104 and 58. Wow to see that in this system. And there's no way. There's no way that they're going to get to 104. And there's no need for them to do that in this division, I don't think. Because then it's San Diego at 82 and 80.
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Matt Abaticola
Did you say Atlanta at 91? 71.
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Dan Bernstein
Yes. Okay, that is. So then you've got San Diego and San Francisco, almost identical. Arizona and your worst team in baseball, The Colorado Rockies, 61 and 101 with.
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Matt Abaticola
Chris Bryant on the DL.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah, it sucks. And then in the AL west, it's Seattle, not surprisingly, at 94 and 68. Houston at 86 and 76. Texas 84 and 78. It's got Sacramento. I'm glad they're listed as Sacramento because they don't want to be known as Sacramento. They want to simply be known as the Athletics. But Sacramento is at 77 wins. And then the Wobegon Angels are at 66 and a half and 95 and a half. So there you have it again. The Cubs by a mile, the prohibitive NL Central favorites, and the White Sox still in the cellar of the AL Central according to Baseball Prospectus Pagoda algorithm. And there are always people who. Smart people who know these systems well, who weigh in. And I look to the Joe Sheehan newsletter, the people that I really like, the two baseball writers that I check every single day, the only two that I look at, other than some of the local folks but nationally that are sort of. My North Star is the work of Joe Sheehan with his subscription newsletter and the work of Craig Calcatera with the cup of Coffee newsletter, both of which should be absolutely just automatic subscriptions for you if you are a baseball fan. And for Calcateri, you don't necessarily. I mean, if you also like pop culture and 80s and 90s music and all that stuff. He's great. Great on a lot of those other topics as well. But here's what Sheehan had to say. He said Pakistan gives 19 teams at least a 25% chance to make the playoffs. Yeah, I'm going to repeat that. 19 teams have at least a 25% playoff chance as of right now with two others above 20%. In a league where an equal chance to win the World Series for everyone would be 3.3 10 have at least that number. 3 more are between 2% and 3%. You're simply never going to do better than this while playing six months of baseball. The people who squawk about how just five teams can win the World Series are not unlike the ones who used to stand on street corners and bellow about the world ending. Three words here from Joe Sheehan. Ignore both groups. Ignore them. This is as democratized a season. Set yet because he does his own, he said. I think I'm higher on the Red Sox, the A's, the Cubs and the Cardinals than Pakota. He's always been a Cub honk in his words when it comes. He liked last year's Cubs. He liked the Cubs the year before, and I know he likes him now. And he says I'm lower on the Orioles, Astros, Angels, Nationals and Giants. But we'll see where I come down on all these teams next month, he said. For now, Pakota gives us a fun talking point on the day the first pitchers and catchers report to camps in Arizona. Well said. That's all this is. That's all this is. And so before you immediately reach for your keyboard and say, bernstein, it doesn't matter. They gotta play the games. Yeah, yeah, I know, I know. But look, the sun is shining, spring is coming, and this is. They're pretty good at this. And if anything, it just, it gives you with every estimate. We've done some zips numbers that Dan Zaborski puts together and now looking at these numbers, what am I hearing right?
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Matt Abaticola
It's a new addition to MLB this.
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Dan Bernstein
Year, the banjo music. I like it.
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Matt Abaticola
I do, too.
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Dan Bernstein
It's kind of nice. It's a good like sunny morning.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah. They wanted to take it from me and use it for the all American seventh inning stretch.
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Dan Bernstein
And you said no. Oh, there's an alternative seventh inning stretch. Now that's more American.
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Matt Abaticola
Yes.
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Dan Bernstein
Okay. Our only what happens if your team has players who may be from another country or Puerto Rico?
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Matt Abaticola
Well, it doesn't.
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Dan Bernstein
I mean, which isn't another country.
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Matt Abaticola
Baseball's America's pastime.
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Dan Bernstein
It's the national pastime.
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Matt Abaticola
America's past.
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Dan Bernstein
It's not. It's the national pastime.
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Matt Abaticola
It's America's pastime. We're changing it.
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Dan Bernstein
Oh, got a little fiddle in there, too.
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Matt Abaticola
So instead of, like, throwing out hats and stuff from the booth, we're gonna throw it like fried chicken. Apple pie.
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Dan Bernstein
Chevrolet.
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Matt Abaticola
A whole Chevrolet right out the window.
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Dan Bernstein
Careful.
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Matt Abaticola
You catch that, you get to drive it home.
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Dan Bernstein
Who says I can't?
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Matt Abaticola
Icy cold cans of beer.
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Dan Bernstein
When did Wait.
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Matt Abaticola
Handfuls of dirt.
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Dan Bernstein
Did I. Did I miss the fact that are other countries not allowed to fry chicken?
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Matt Abaticola
It's America's only Really. Yes. Apple pie.
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Dan Bernstein
Are you sure?
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Matt Abaticola
Positive.
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Dan Bernstein
Other countries are now are not allowed to Fried chicken.
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Matt Abaticola
Whole trouts. Toss them right out the window.
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Dan Bernstein
Okay, I like this.
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Matt Abaticola
What we're celebrating today is Cubs pitchers and catchers report. It's baseball, damn it. It's America.
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Dan Bernstein
It is. And you should feel good about the Cubs chances here. And he said, here are your Once again, the Dodgers at 105. The other 90 win teams, the Braves and the Cubs in the NL. The Mariners are the second best team in baseball in the AL. All right, so there you go. You have reason to be optimistic and excited. If that is something that's important to you, you feel that that is something you need.
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Dan Bernstein
You know what else you need? You need to make sure that you are registered and deposited on my bookie so you can turn your bets into bankroll because you may think, well, the Super Bowl's over. What am I going to do? Well, you got all kinds of stuff and wait till we even start in with some of the baseball Props or go into some of the baseball preseason bets. My goodness. If you want to begin looking at win totals and possibilities and start doing some long range stuff, you can do that. If you want to look at NCAA tournament, you know Maddie took a flyer on the Fighting Illini, did you?
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Matt Abaticola
I did that plus 1200. Who lost last night again in overtime. Back to back overtime losses, this time at home to Wisconsin, but blaming the referees for it once again. Did you watch msu?
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Dan Bernstein
Huh? I. Was it on?
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Matt Abaticola
It was on, yeah. They had a 12 point second half lead. They just couldn't hit free throws at the end.
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Dan Bernstein
I saw the final, but I didn't. I didn't run across it. Where was it? On tv.
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Matt Abaticola
Television, where?
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Dan Bernstein
Do you know?
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Matt Abaticola
No, I don't.
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Dan Bernstein
I don't remember where because I watched the documentary last night. I watched the Miracle, the boys of 80.
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Matt Abaticola
Oh, good, good. Yeah. So I had a busy TV night flipping through. I had Olympics, I had Summer House. I watched Mel Brooks documentary, the first part, actually.
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Dan Bernstein
So, yeah, the first episode's excellent. And I had my Olympics interrupted by news that wasn't really news. It was so weird, wasn't it?
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Matt Abaticola
The person on camera and then they said it wasn't.
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Dan Bernstein
It wasn't the person.
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Matt Abaticola
See, I told you.
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Dan Bernstein
They did a terrible job with that break in told. So I'm watching Olympics. I was. I watching. I was skiing something, slalom something.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah.
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Dan Bernstein
And then I was the figure skating and watching the quad. God.
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Matt Abaticola
Yep.
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Dan Bernstein
And he. He can really jump in the air a lot.
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Matt Abaticola
He does backflips on skates, but the jumping and spinning.
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Dan Bernstein
Yes, that's a thing.
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Matt Abaticola
Well, that's why he's a quad guy, I guess.
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Dan Bernstein
Like that's.
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Matt Abaticola
He can do more spins in the air, he's good at it than anybody else.
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Dan Bernstein
And boy, he likes to play with his hair. When he was 21, they caught him before, like he was fixing his hair. He was waiting for sort of that glory camera shot. And I think it was Terry Gannon who said, you're good, bro.
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Matt Abaticola
You look good.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah, you look good.
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Matt Abaticola
You know, his parents are both figure skaters.
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Dan Bernstein
I learned that last night because that's what. You know, I get edified by this programming, but in the middle of it. Oh, sorry, I need to say all this. We're talking about my bookie. One account, one wallet. Bet the spread, live, bet whatever you want in the second half of some of these NBA games, especially the Bulls, you got some chances here. If they get a lead, you know, maybe knowing how out of shape they are, I don't know. Just a thought. It's all in one place. It's all at MyBookie AG. Use the promo code DBU, and your first bet is covered up to 500 bucks. If it doesn't hit, you have a bet back, bonus token, and you can run it back. So get in. So like I said, register and then deposit with the code dbu. Then you get that bet back bonus token. So you're not just watching all the stuff. You can make it pay with my bookie. Anyway, I'm watching and they're like, this is an NBC special report. And there they are, and we have. A person of interest has been detained. And they show. And I kept thinking, oh, they found the porch guy. They found the ring doorbell guy with the ski mask and the gun. And then. So they send it out to the reporter. And the reporter is, details and details and details. And this is where they're at, this house, and they are gonna get a search warrant and they're gonna do all these things. And I'm like, where's the mom? And I keep thinking, isn't the headline, what do we know about the actual kid? That person, the missing person?
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Matt Abaticola
Yes.
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Dan Bernstein
We got, like, five minutes into this thing without a word about the actual missing person, until the anchor interrupts the reporter and says, do we know anything about the whereabouts of Nancy Guthrie?
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Matt Abaticola
And he's like, no, no.
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Dan Bernstein
And they're talking to a guy who's not that guy. Like, what are we doing here?
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Matt Abaticola
Wait, was the guy on video a person of interest?
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Dan Bernstein
No, the person of interest was a guy at a traffic stop.
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Matt Abaticola
Okay, so the guy on video, and they let him go already with a mask and a gun was not a person of interest.
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Dan Bernstein
He's. Well, no, a person of interest is somebody in custody.
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Matt Abaticola
Oh, I thought someone you're looking for.
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Dan Bernstein
Well, of course you're looking for him.
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Matt Abaticola
Oh, so they are looking for him.
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Dan Bernstein
I think he's probably.
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Matt Abaticola
I don't know the FBI's involved, Dan. I'm just asking questions.
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Dan Bernstein
Do, do, do, do, do.
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Matt Abaticola
Right?
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Dan Bernstein
But they. They could have ruled it most.
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Matt Abaticola
He wasn't a person of interest.
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Dan Bernstein
They go to Norah o' Donnell, and she goes, official sources are telling me no. She started to say authorities. She went authority sources. And then she said. Reminded me that this is the Pima county investigators and not FBI. So I'm thinking it's the FBI saying, like, they know she's dead, probably. And they're just like, look, this isn't us. Don't blame us for all this. This is all Pima County. We're just here as advisors. But I guarantee you, if she is found safe.
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Matt Abaticola
FBI.
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Dan Bernstein
Oh, then it's Absolutely. Absolutely.
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Matt Abaticola
It's all gonna be the FBI Outcome base.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. For the moment, talk to your Pima county people. They're in charge of this whole thing.
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Matt Abaticola
If they get her, she's good. It's. The big eye guy will be there, and my people were on it.
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Dan Bernstein
Oh, yeah. We knew it the entire time. Everything's fine. That's why we knew she was. But if. But if it's. The outcome is. Is not great. They're going to disappear. Like, talk to your sheriff. Yeah. Over here. We had nothing to do with this thing. So it was weird, and it was long, and then they got back, and I didn't know. Did they stop the tape and did they pick it up live? I couldn't tell.
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Matt Abaticola
The figure skating?
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah.
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Matt Abaticola
Oh, I have no idea.
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Dan Bernstein
I couldn't tell if they preempted or not.
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Matt Abaticola
I must have turned off at that point because I didn't see the. The break in the. The story. The news. Special report.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah. Oh, they got her. They found her. It's.
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Matt Abaticola
It's.
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Dan Bernstein
She's. She's alive.
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Matt Abaticola
Watching something else at that point and flipping, so I didn't realize. Mike Muscle. Mike Tirico finishes the super bowl, gets on a plane and flies to Italy the second he's done. It's good stuff.
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Dan Bernstein
And he identifies as Italian and not as black.
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Matt Abaticola
Mike Tirico.
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Dan Bernstein
Yes. Okay.
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Matt Abaticola
That's why the White Sox haven't recognized him.
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Dan Bernstein
In other words, because he told them, apparently Frank Thomas also is Italian. Yes. Yes.
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Matt Abaticola
And he said, we've gladly brought.
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Dan Bernstein
It's a me. That's why they couldn't find him.
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Matt Abaticola
Every time he walks into a room, he's contractually obligated to say that it's a me. I think it hurts.
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Dan Bernstein
Yep.
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Matt Abaticola
We gladly have brought Frank into the family.
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Dan Bernstein
You're sure about that?
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Matt Abaticola
Yes.
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Dan Bernstein
You might want to. You might want to check the uncles.
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Matt Abaticola
Oh, no, we're good.
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Dan Bernstein
Okay.
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Matt Abaticola
No, we had a meeting last night at Olive Garden. So the committee got together. It's a different committee.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah. Yep. And they loved the Ragufredo or whatever.
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Matt Abaticola
The new sauce is. Lasagnatini. We've agreed to bring Frank into the family.
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Dan Bernstein
Good.
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Matt Abaticola
It's like, unanimously.
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Dan Bernstein
Franco. Yeah. Franco, how do you say big hurt in Italiano? Gran. Something dolor.
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Matt Abaticola
Or.
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Dan Bernstein
I'm sure it's something similar to a Spanish root in that. There was some news that I found really interesting. And it has to do with the Cubs. It has to do with one of the most famous images of the Chicago Cubs. Did you happen to see this? I did.
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Matt Abaticola
Very cool. Very cool story, if you, you know.
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Dan Bernstein
It when I bring it up. And it's a famous painting that was used on the COVID of the Saturday Evening Post when that was an immensely significant position for a work of art. And it's the picture by Norman Rockwell called the Dugout that was painted in 1948. And I had no idea that it was in the home of former Illinois governor Bruce Rauner and his wife. Just in their house. They had this painting. They bought it at an auction at Christie's in 2009 for $662,500. It's obviously worth considerably more than that now. And Bruce Rauner told the Tribune, he said, I bought it for two reasons. I'm a longtime Cubs fan. I followed them as a kid. I'm a huge fan of Norman Rockwell. We loved owning it. I didn't necessarily even want to donate it except after I was dead. But this seemed like a great time to say thank you to the people here. And here is the Art Institute of Chicago, which we can see from across the hall over here. And it's really cool. It is the first Norman Rockwell painting in the entire collection of the Art Institute, if you want to know. He did according, and Christopher Borelli wrote this in the Tribune, that he painted 323 covers for the Saturday Evening Post between 1916 and 1963. And it's described as probably the first major work in the museum's collection that depicts a popular sport. I don't know there's anything ancient. There's something by, you know, or Bruegel the Elder when they're playing soccer or something. I don't know. I don't know. But. And you say, well, why does it matter? The image of the Cubs as hapless and unfortunate, like adorably unfortunate, or another term for that would be lovable losers. A lot of that came from the impact of this image of this painting. And you know, it, as you see, is as if you're standing about 15ft outside of the Cubs dugout, looking in at Wrigley Field, and you are seeing the Cubs coaches unhappy, a bat boy with his shoulders slumped and a player behind him, and fans on the dugout roof, behind the dugout, cheering, obviously, apparently for the other team. And, well, it's not really feel, because the Cubs, the jersey say Chicago, they're.
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Matt Abaticola
In the road Grays.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah, they're in the road. Grayson. And the description of the photo is this. Christopher Borelli says you're looking at the Cubs early in their season. That's right. It's a doubleheader in Boston against the Boston Braves. Pitcher Bob Rush, manager Charlie Grimm and catcher Rube Walker. The player behind the sad bat boy is pitcher Johnny Schmitz. The sad bat boy was Frank McNulty, who was a Boston Braves bat boy coaxed into a Cubs uniform to pose for the photos that became the painting in the stands. Actual Boston fans who posed the woman needling the Cubs was the daughter of the Braves coach. It's a doubleheader the Cubs dropped entirely. And it was published when the Saturday Evening Post still had 3 million subscribers a week. The picture did nothing for Chicago's growing mid century reputation as a large but insecure cow town. And this was the idea of where the Cubs are losing. But everybody around the country. The 3 million. Think about 3 million as a percentage of the population in 1948. When you start thinking about that and how 3 million then as opposed to 3 million now, that's a very significant number of people who. That was the schema in their mind of the Cubs. That is an indelible image that helped shape the lovable loser idea of the Cubs.
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Matt Abaticola
What was the year?
- [30:06]
Dan Bernstein
48. 1948. That's what it says. And it was. It has. This has been mostly in private collections. Diana Rauner said it's a community focused painting. I felt more people should be seeing this. It was a little weird to have it not be part of any community. The Cubs were in last place in 1948. So it practically oozes 64 wins and 90 losses. As we're bringing up all of these records and all of the expectations of records. And this was a rare watercolor because he usually did them with oil paints and the magazine would reproduce the oil paintings. So this is an oil study. Excuse me, an oil study by the artist. The work reproduced was a rare watercolor that is now hanging in the Illustrated Gallery outside Philadelphia. And everyone in the image agreed to pose for the photographs later used as studies for the painting. That's how Rockwell worked. And he said the Dugout is a good example of the growing willingness of major fine arts institutions to embrace commercial illustration, even when it crosses into pop culture. For decades, the Art Institute had rarely collected anything like a Norman Rockwell. Oh.
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Matt Abaticola
Mm.
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Dan Bernstein
So the Art Institute has deigned, has stooped to include this painting. I guess they'll have to make an exception for popular culture to have that. And this again, this is Borelli, who says Rockwell was unintentionally trolling the Cubs in 1948. Later that season at Ebbets Field in New York City, he had a photographer capture the Brooklyn Dodgers playing the cubs for a 1949 spring cover. The Cubs lost that game, too. Rockwell returned the next day to shoot the Dodgers and the Pirates, which became the study he used for an even more famous work. When I say Norman Rockwell, Baseball, can you name what pops into your head?
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Matt Abaticola
The Cubs painting.
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Dan Bernstein
Okay. That. Any other baseball paint. Any famous.
- [32:30]
Matt Abaticola
No.
- [32:30]
Dan Bernstein
Okay, well, when I mention it, you're going to know it.
- [32:32]
Matt Abaticola
Okay.
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Dan Bernstein
It's called game called because of Rain. Three umpires evaluating stray drops of precipitation. If you look it up, you'll know it. And it hangs today in the National Baseball hall of Fame in Cooperstown. And here's the conclusion to the Tribune piece, which is perfect. If there's a sunny side to the dugout, it's that the Cubs were not the absolute worst team in Major League baseball in 1948. So who was that? Who was the. Who was the worst team in baseball in 1948 that finished dead last in their league with 101 losses?
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Matt Abaticola
The White Sox.
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Dan Bernstein
Your Chicago White Sox. And the kicker, Rockwell, didn't bother to paint them at all. I knew you would get a kick out of that one, but. Yeah, this is kind of cool.
- [33:30]
Matt Abaticola
Yeah, it is cool.
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Dan Bernstein
I wouldn't mind just walking down the street and standing in front of that.
- [33:33]
Matt Abaticola
Taking a look at it. Yeah, I saw it this morning. Getting hung up. Getting put on the wall.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, it's cool.
- [33:39]
Dan Bernstein
I thought that was really cool. And the other one is more famous. I haven't been to the hall of Fame. And you don't go.
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Matt Abaticola
I've never been to the hall of fame.
- [33:47]
Dan Bernstein
12U.
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Matt Abaticola
We're not going.
- [33:48]
Dan Bernstein
You're not going to.
- [33:49]
Matt Abaticola
No, no.
- [33:50]
Dan Bernstein
Was.
- [33:50]
Matt Abaticola
We're already at 13. You and then 12. You were doing. We're going back to Pigeon Forge.
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Dan Bernstein
That's right. That's why you're raising. Okay. Yeah. You know, it's probably better anyway. I know. I know. Jason wasn't he. He played on the travel team the Cooperstown year, but he went to overnight camp and wasn't missed it. Yeah, I told him. I did tell him I would take him.
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Matt Abaticola
I've heard bad things about the travel baseball. And then last.
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Dan Bernstein
Did you hear that you hear the travel baseball in Cooperstown? Yeah, I know Wells park teams.
- [34:17]
Matt Abaticola
It's not good.
- [34:18]
Dan Bernstein
They play some team from California and they lose like 48.
- [34:21]
Matt Abaticola
Well, not only that, but it's just the accommodations are bad. The fields aren't.
- [34:24]
Dan Bernstein
Aren't very good. It's just.
- [34:25]
Matt Abaticola
It's not the experience you thought you think you would have.
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Dan Bernstein
Correct. I do know the parents, at least the Wells park parents that I know, they have as elaborate plans where they get some gorgeous house. Yeah. In the hills with like fireplaces and all that everybody puts in. And then.
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Matt Abaticola
And that's. You get these good way to go. But the actual baseball itself isn't really.
- [34:43]
Dan Bernstein
Worth going out there for the same.
- [34:45]
Matt Abaticola
And then did you hear what happened last year? One of our. One of the local teams up in Lake Bluff. Did you see the story last year?
- [34:52]
Dan Bernstein
Well, they won.
- [34:53]
Matt Abaticola
Right to the coach.
- [34:55]
Dan Bernstein
Oh, yeah.
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Matt Abaticola
Freaking.
- [34:56]
Dan Bernstein
They went. And then didn't they go to Hooters?
- [34:58]
Matt Abaticola
I don't know, but they went. They went streaking. I don't know about Hooters. Hooters would have been fine compared to what they did. They went streaking and ran the bases and it got caught on video.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah.
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Matt Abaticola
It's not good.
- [35:10]
Dan Bernstein
We're going streaking. Yep.
- [35:12]
Matt Abaticola
Yeah. That's a team that we. We play every year, too.
- [35:15]
Dan Bernstein
Oh, really? Yeah.
- [35:16]
Matt Abaticola
And I got a good buddy who coaches over in Lake Bluff.
- [35:18]
Dan Bernstein
Of course you do. Yeah.
- [35:20]
Matt Abaticola
He was. Thank God, was not one of the guys.
- [35:22]
Dan Bernstein
Do you know the guys who did it?
- [35:23]
Matt Abaticola
I don't.
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Dan Bernstein
I don't.
- [35:24]
Matt Abaticola
It was a different level team. Okay. But yeah, made. Made big, big news.
- [35:29]
Dan Bernstein
All right.
- [35:30]
Matt Abaticola
But yeah, I've always heard that the. The baseball itself is not. Not really worth going for. Yeah.
- [35:34]
Dan Bernstein
I'm not really all that interested in Cooperstown. And I told him if he wanted.
- [35:38]
Matt Abaticola
I am. I do want to go. I want to go. Maybe when the boys get a little. A little bit older, we'll go take that trip.
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Dan Bernstein
But. But I want to go down and see one of these college club games because I want to. Their season's about to start now that.
- [35:52]
Matt Abaticola
I would like to do.
- [35:53]
Dan Bernstein
Practice has already started.
- [35:54]
Matt Abaticola
Yeah. So my older stepson, Griffin, he has aspirations of playing baseball. Tennessee.
- [36:02]
Dan Bernstein
Okay. He's not going to play baseball. Tennessee.
- [36:03]
Matt Abaticola
So you don't know that.
- [36:05]
Dan Bernstein
You play club.
- [36:06]
Matt Abaticola
You don't know that. How the fuck would you know?
- [36:09]
Dan Bernstein
Because it's really like we would know. He wouldn't be playing if he was. If he was good enough to play at Tennessee, he probably wouldn't be playing here now. Right. Wouldn't he already be?
- [36:18]
Matt Abaticola
No, he wouldn't.
- [36:19]
Dan Bernstein
Sent away somewhere. No.
- [36:21]
Matt Abaticola
No, we're not going to send a kid away somewhere.
- [36:23]
Dan Bernstein
Okay. Like the IMG or something like that. One of those academies where they all go, all right, all right, whatever.
- [36:29]
Matt Abaticola
Way to ruin a good story.
- [36:30]
Dan Bernstein
Well, I'm just.
- [36:31]
Matt Abaticola
No, it's fine.
- [36:32]
Dan Bernstein
I'm sure.
- [36:33]
Matt Abaticola
Move on to your next thing.
- [36:34]
Dan Bernstein
Well, I mean, have you been realistic about these. These dreams? Yes. Gotta be realistic with them. You know how hard it is played.
- [36:43]
Matt Abaticola
I know how hard it is. So a kid can't have a dream? Seriously.
- [36:47]
Dan Bernstein
He can.
- [36:48]
Matt Abaticola
God, you're such a prick.
- [36:50]
Dan Bernstein
Well, I don't. I don't know. I handle it differently. Dad, do you think I can be a major league baseball player? No. Do you think I could be a minor league baseball player? No, I think it was six. He said, what about playing in college? I said, how small a college? Well, when.
- [37:08]
Matt Abaticola
What age was that?
- [37:09]
Dan Bernstein
You told your son, seven or eight, whatever it is.
- [37:13]
Matt Abaticola
So before he'd even gone through puberty, developed and grown. At seven years old, you shit all over him.
- [37:18]
Dan Bernstein
What is he gonna be? 6ft tall? 200 pounds?
- [37:21]
Matt Abaticola
Hey, you never know. You never know who the father was.
- [37:24]
Dan Bernstein
That's true. If I had known if J.R. richard was his dad. Yeah. I probably sold him short. You're right. I should have remembered. He was actually fathered by J.R. richard.
- [37:36]
Matt Abaticola
Yeah. Should have gone on more. He gotten a DNA test first?
- [37:39]
Dan Bernstein
Yep. Your son is 6, 8 and black?
- [37:43]
Matt Abaticola
Yep. Well, ask the White Sox.
- [37:47]
Dan Bernstein
Right. They said he's not. This man is not black.
- [37:51]
Matt Abaticola
So some people go to Maury and they have the paternity test. Then other people go to the White Sox.
- [38:00]
Dan Bernstein
The White Sox. Color slash the White Sox. Race test.
- [38:03]
Matt Abaticola
Race test.
- [38:05]
Dan Bernstein
Nope. White guy. Really?
- [38:07]
Matt Abaticola
We have the notes here. Your son not black.
- [38:11]
Dan Bernstein
Really? How do you know? We just know. Trust us. We have experts. We put them in this special contraption that tells us. A special contraption? Yes.
- [38:28]
Matt Abaticola
They put him in this medieval torture device.
- [38:31]
Dan Bernstein
He comes out and they can determine such things. Yeah. I don't want to get us in too much trouble, but that's okay. By the way, do not root for the Bulls to win games. Please stop doing that. Here's. I'm going to tell you what to root for right now. If you're a Bulls fan, root for entertaining hard fought losses. Root for development of some of these players, scouting opportunities for you and most importantly, for the Bulls. You want to see these guys out there running around. You want to enjoy what you think they can do in the future, potentially. But you ultimately want, when the game ends, you want the Bulls to have fewer points than the opponent. That's what I. Because there are. There are still some people that don't understand that.
- [39:21]
Matt Abaticola
Yeah. You want them to lose every game. Yes, that's the point. What they did.
- [39:25]
Dan Bernstein
Right now they're 24 and 30. They are tied with Milwaukee in the loss column. That's a good thing.
- [39:33]
Matt Abaticola
I mean, they traded away every possibility of being 500 and getting into the play in game. You want them to lose everything, Correct?
- [39:40]
Dan Bernstein
Yes. Right now if you go to Tankathon, they are their 10th number one is Sacramento at 12 and 43.
- [39:50]
Matt Abaticola
What is Tankathon?
- [39:51]
Dan Bernstein
Tankathon.com inverted standings.
- [39:54]
Matt Abaticola
It's a. Okay.
- [39:55]
Dan Bernstein
And it allows you to simulate the lottery. Interesting. And then you can just keep clicking on the lottery and see how long it takes to get the number one draft pick. And you can. It's fun. You just see how many times you click. I'm on 4. 5. Still hasn't come up Bulls yet. Lots of Sacramento Kings as it should be some Atlanta Hawks taking some jumps in there. But go have fun with tankathon.com because you're back there. You're back there this year and probably next year. And all the Bulls want to do is get themselves in that percentage opportunity for a top four. You really want a top three this year because you want to get Darren Peterson, AJ DeBonsa or Cameron Boozer. I'm probably at the moment, if I had to be in a camp, I'd be in the DebonSA camp. If I got the number one overall pick, if I were drafting for upside. What you got? Bulls.
- [40:55]
Matt Abaticola
I got the Bulls number three.
- [40:56]
Dan Bernstein
Okay. Yeah. That's all you need to do. Just. You just hit sim lottery and you can spend up here. I just got Bulls number one.
- [41:04]
Matt Abaticola
Oh, there you go.
- [41:05]
Dan Bernstein
I just got the Bulls with the number one pick. They had a 3% number one overall and in this sim it came in, they jumped up nine spots with their record. But all you want to do is improve those chances with every single loss. And unfortunately there seems to be a lack of understanding about what you're. You're trying to do here, what it is you do here.
- [41:28]
Matt Abaticola
I got the Bulls at three again. I can't get them above three.
- [41:30]
Dan Bernstein
I got. You can come look at my screen. I got them at 13 again. I know. See, once you start doing this, you're.
- [41:36]
Matt Abaticola
Going to take hours.
- [41:38]
Dan Bernstein
I know. Isn't it fun?
- [41:39]
Matt Abaticola
Yes. This is great, isn't it?
- [41:41]
Dan Bernstein
Right? I clicked it again. And now the Bulls are back to 10.
- [41:44]
Matt Abaticola
I got them to 4.
- [41:45]
Dan Bernstein
Damn it. 10 I can't get above 3. 10.
- [41:51]
Matt Abaticola
Yeah, they get 10, 10, 11. 10, 11, 10, 11.
- [41:53]
Dan Bernstein
That's what I. Oh, now I dropped down to 11.
- [41:55]
Matt Abaticola
Not good enough.
- [41:56]
Dan Bernstein
All right, pop back to 10. Up 4. Got them up to 4. Yeah. It takes a while to do it. I have new windows now.
- [42:07]
Matt Abaticola
How are they?
- [42:07]
Dan Bernstein
Oh my God. Dude. They said to a lot. Two days. This is so typical because you know Russ Armstrong and Chicago window guys, they said here, we're gonna do it on. They said Monday and Tuesday where the weather finally broke and they can come out and everything's all right. It didn't even, it was like half a day. We had all this time. I thought it was gonna be this huge thing. They did the entire upstairs. They got there at 8:30 in the morning and they were done by the time I got home from work. They're done all that. The entire upstairs of windows done clean. They vacuumed everything up, they put back everything that they had to move. There wasn't a trace of anything other than new windows. And everything was, was, was sealed and caulked and it was. It's just great. And it's warmer. It's amazing what happens. It's really amazing what happens when you take out the 20 year old builder quality crap windows and you put in really, really good. And how about the best deal possible with a price match guarantee. Call Russ 847-302-9171. Maybe even waiting to do this for a while. There's no reason to wait because whether you're trying to keep the warm air inside and very, very soon we'll be trying to keep the cool air inside. Just not hearing your furnace or your AC kick on. That's the sound of saving money. That's the sound of windows paying for themselves. And he's got these great low emissivity double paned windows. And the spacer inside is made of a. It's a specialized polymer so it can grow and shrink with the temperature. It doesn't crack and it doesn't even conduct like metal does. He was explaining all this to me. I'm like a window expert now. Just because Russ told me all this stuff. And when you're getting quotes, make sure you ask the sales rep who's installing your windows. Because the Russ's competitors, they can't answer that. They don't know who's installing your windows. They pick up third party labor, some subcontracted hands all the time. They don't know. They can't promise. Russ can. Because Russ's crew, plural crews Work for him and you'll deal with Russ. And he knows everybody who's in and around your house. So. 847-302-9171 and check out his five star reviews. I can absolutely vouch for the quality of these windows, personally. Chicagowindowguys.com youm've been waiting for it with bated breath, which by the way, is B A T E D. And now it is time for Matt Abaticola and your Dan Bernstein unfiltered 312 Sports Olympic update.
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Matt Abaticola
All right. Some good stuff happened yesterday, Dan. The women's US Hockey team.
- [45:04]
Dan Bernstein
Yeah. Big win. Played Canada.
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Matt Abaticola
They beat them five nothing. So with that win, they first place in their group.
- [45:11]
Dan Bernstein
So they're four zero. Okay.
- [45:13]
Matt Abaticola
In their group play. So USA five, Canada zero. Big win. Mixed doubles curling took place last night. The gold medal game, did it take.
- [45:23]
Dan Bernstein
Place last night or did we just see it last night?
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Matt Abaticola
Well, it took place yesterday. I watched it last night.
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Dan Bernstein
Okay.
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Matt Abaticola
USA lost to Sweden on the final stone. It was the final stone that got him. Really exciting. Yeah, I know nothing about curling. Don't know how it really works except.
- [45:40]
Dan Bernstein
You throw the things. I learned about it. I learned the term shot rock when I went curling last week. A shot rock shot. I learned about the buttons. When's a shot rock. And the house, the shot rock is the one. That's when you are holding position. When you have at the time the closest one. That means you have shot rock.
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Matt Abaticola
Shot rock. Well, they lost on the final stone. USA mixed doubles curling though they did take home the silver. Sweden gets the gold.
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Dan Bernstein
Any kind of a medal for the US A big deal, right?
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, I think it was. Might have been the first in like several years. Long, long, long time.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah. Good.
- [46:14]
Matt Abaticola
Men's super G final. So that's a. That's a big super G. That's a.
- [46:19]
Dan Bernstein
Big super giant slalom.
- [46:20]
Matt Abaticola
Yep. Ryan Cochran Siegel, he won the silver for the US oh, here was the one was exciting one.
- [46:28]
Dan Bernstein
Dan.
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Matt Abaticola
Women's team combined skiing.
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Dan Bernstein
I think I watched some of that.
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Matt Abaticola
Okay, so Breezy John. So first it's combined. The Breezy Johnson did the downhill downhill. And then, then your partner does slalom.
- [46:41]
Dan Bernstein
Is Michaela Shifrin. Her partner. Okay.
- [46:43]
Matt Abaticola
So Breezy Johnson does the downhill. Gets the fastest time of anyone in the downhill. So gives Michaela Schiffer advantage.
- [46:51]
Dan Bernstein
Right.
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Matt Abaticola
Shifford apparently is the fastest, the best woman slalom skier around right now. Like the best in the history of slalom skiing. World cup stuff. She's won seven of the last eight events. Oh, that eighth One. She finished second. So the fast, the best in slalom. So Breezy Johnson has the best downhill time.
- [47:15]
Dan Bernstein
Okay. Okay.
- [47:17]
Matt Abaticola
They finished fourth because Shiffrin had, as one of the announcers said, the worst run he's ever seen her have.
- [47:24]
Dan Bernstein
What happened?
- [47:25]
Matt Abaticola
She just was bad.
- [47:26]
Dan Bernstein
Oh, she was.
- [47:27]
Matt Abaticola
Just wasn't in a good rhythm. They actually finished 6, 100 out of the platform. But good news, though. Jackie Wiles and Paula Molson from the US Finished in. In third with the bronze. So Austria first, Germany second, and then, well, Wiles and Moulton get the bronze for women's team combined skiing. Okay, tomorrow, Dan 2:10 2:00pm Our time. USA, Latvia. Men's hockey kicks off.
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Dan Bernstein
All right.
- [47:58]
Matt Abaticola
Or they drop the puck. They are in group C kick off. Yeah, they don't really kick anything off, though.
- [48:04]
Dan Bernstein
Trump won. Change that rule.
- [48:05]
Matt Abaticola
Yeah, he wants a football used instead. Group C, USA is with Denmark, Germany and Latvia. So they start their pool play tomorrow.
- [48:15]
Dan Bernstein
What are our expectations for this particular US Team?
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Matt Abaticola
They better win the gold medal or don't come home.
- [48:21]
Dan Bernstein
But seriously, what are the expectations? I know those are your expectations.
- [48:24]
Matt Abaticola
Oh, I have no idea.
- [48:24]
Dan Bernstein
But do we know?
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Matt Abaticola
No, I mean, are we always competitive for the goal?
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah, I think so.
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Matt Abaticola
I would think so. Okay, so that starts tomorrow. 210. All right. The. The gold count or the metal count, I should say right now Norway's in the lead with 12. It's good.
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Dan Bernstein
I mean, good.
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Matt Abaticola
Good for them. That's great. Italy right behind him at 11.
- [48:46]
Dan Bernstein
Good story. Yeah.
- [48:47]
Matt Abaticola
And then USA and Japan right now are third with eight medals each.
- [48:51]
Dan Bernstein
Have you been watching any of the Stanley Tucci cut ins?
- [48:54]
Matt Abaticola
I have, yes. He's eating food with athletes.
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Dan Bernstein
Like, that's a great gig, I'm gonna say. Yeah, like, what a job. What are you gonna do? I don't know. Go eat stuff in Italy.
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Matt Abaticola
Have you. Have you seen his show where he travels around Italy?
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Dan Bernstein
I haven't seen an entire show, but it's basically just hang out with Stanley Tucci and go eat stuff.
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Matt Abaticola
I would love to do that. Yeah, I've seen his with the. The Olympic coverage, though.
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Dan Bernstein
I saw one that he did where he was just making something in his house. That was terrific. Completely unpretentious and fun and easy.
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Matt Abaticola
Seems like a real good dude.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah. I'd like to hang out with him.
- [49:26]
Dan Bernstein
I like him, but I also want him to be his character from Devil Wears Prada.
- [49:30]
Matt Abaticola
Well, you'll get your chance again coming up here soon, I think. I think it comes out soon, doesn't it?
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Dan Bernstein
Does the devil Devil Wears Prada.
- [49:38]
Matt Abaticola
Yep.
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Dan Bernstein
Mm. This time it's personal. Yeah, I don't know what.
- [49:43]
Matt Abaticola
It was personal last time I thought.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah, I don't.
- [49:45]
Matt Abaticola
It's.
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Dan Bernstein
It's. It sounds like the same thing.
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Matt Abaticola
You know, I saw a really good story.
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Dan Bernstein
Layla.
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Matt Abaticola
Layla Edwards. When I say she's one of the players on the women's hockey team from Cleveland Heights.
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Dan Bernstein
Oh, is that the first black woman. Yes, I saw that.
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Matt Abaticola
So the Kelsey brothers paid for her family to be able to go.
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Dan Bernstein
That's nice of them.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, they gave a lot of money for it to happen. Really cool feature on her. So that was cool. All right, so that's your Olympic update one more time. Norway with 12. Italy 11. USA and Japan with 8.
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Dan Bernstein
That has been a 312 Sports Olympic update. I have a.
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Matt Abaticola
You gotta wait.
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Dan Bernstein
I'm sorry. I didn't know if you could fade it out.
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Matt Abaticola
No, I'm not gonna. It's 15 seconds. You're not gonna. You can't talk over it.
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Dan Bernstein
Sorry.
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Matt Abaticola
Just wait till it plays again. Because you ruined it now. I'm ruining it by talking over it.
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Dan Bernstein
Start it again.
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Matt Abaticola
Well, you got to do it again. You have to do the whole thing again.
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Dan Bernstein
I did the whole outro again. Yeah.
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Matt Abaticola
Did you? I mean, you ruined it the last time.
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Dan Bernstein
Well, you just ruined it now. I'm not talking.
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Matt Abaticola
You're not gonna do it?
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Dan Bernstein
I'll do it. But. But give me a second to do it.
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Matt Abaticola
You're not gonna close the segment.
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Dan Bernstein
I'm going to close the segment. Just. Okay, okay.
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Matt Abaticola
You don't get it anymore.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah, I do.
- [51:10]
Matt Abaticola
No, you don't.
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Dan Bernstein
That has been. Oh, I don't mind this either.
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Matt Abaticola
Okay, remember, this is the alternate seventh inning stretch, Right?
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Dan Bernstein
This is when. When. It's when. The seventh inning stretch doesn't put you enough in the mind of corn pone America. You get a little bit of banjo and hot country fiddling.
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Matt Abaticola
So you'll have to leave the stadium, go outside the stadium for the alternate seventh inning stretch.
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Dan Bernstein
When it'll be out there? Yes, it'll be out there.
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Matt Abaticola
This is it.
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Dan Bernstein
Yep.
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Matt Abaticola
We're gonna throw fried chicken at you. Apple pie.
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Dan Bernstein
Hot dogs.
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Matt Abaticola
Hot dogs, Grandma.
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Dan Bernstein
Oh, dirt.
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Matt Abaticola
Gotta have dirt and Chevrolets. Oh, and whole trout and boots.
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Dan Bernstein
See, I don't like it's. It's gotta be bass and not trout. Trout's too, like fly fishy Elite.
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Matt Abaticola
I'm just going by the song I heard catfish. That's what it's gotta be. Yeah, I think.
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Dan Bernstein
I think bass is too tough to catch. I think we Gotta go down the old fishing hole, get some catfish. Yeah, because you got. You've got the banjo and you've got riddlin diddling and hot country fiddling.
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Matt Abaticola
This is where it really kicks in, though. Let's go.
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Dan Bernstein
Steel guitar.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, this is. Is where you kiss your sister right here.
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Dan Bernstein
Is that a key change, too? Wasn't it?
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, it was.
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Dan Bernstein
I think we changed keys and we got a little slide guitar in there.
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Matt Abaticola
I like it.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah. See, if you don't love your country, you know what you should do? Leave. Go somewhere else.
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Matt Abaticola
Hey, you just shut your mouth and play your sports. You respect the flag.
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Dan Bernstein
I heard that. Boomer Siason told us that. Stop with your opinions and your thoughts on anything.
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Matt Abaticola
You respect what's going on here, mister.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah, respect what's going on. That's your job.
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Matt Abaticola
According to.
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Dan Bernstein
Good. The great Boomer. Okay, that was good.
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Matt Abaticola
You're not gonna do your clothes.
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Dan Bernstein
Thank you. What?
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Matt Abaticola
No.
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Dan Bernstein
Because you said I had to do the clothes before. You're changing the damn rules on me.
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Matt Abaticola
No, I just. I wanted you to close it out without talking over the end of it. You ruined it.
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Dan Bernstein
This has been.
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Matt Abaticola
Well, it's not playing, so.
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Dan Bernstein
This has been a 312 Sports Olympic update. Now can I talk? Yes. Okay.
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Matt Abaticola
Well, you didn't. Yeah, you didn't ruin it. Now.
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Dan Bernstein
Okay, good.
- [53:44]
Matt Abaticola
Very good.
- [53:44]
Dan Bernstein
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Matt Abaticola
And.
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Dan Bernstein
It'S hard for me to put into proper perspective the significance of Mel Brooks to me in my upbringing and in sort of the entertainment side of my life. Cause it was canon. The 2000 year old man was just something that was on. It's something we listened to and all of my friends had the records and there were just certain it was a cultural touchstone for a lot of us. And that's why when I saw the people who were interviewed as part of this, I mean first of all, seeing Rob Reiner made it kind of tough. But the number of other comedians, people who generationally were around the same age and similar upbringings to me, who all talked about Mel Brooks and what the albums meant and then what the movies meant from a very young age when I see like I think Sarah Silverman and I are the same age, you know, Ben Stiller's a couple years older than I am, but Sarah Silverman, Ben Stiller, Adam Sandler, Josh Gad is a little younger and Nick Kroll is a little bit younger. But these are all people who had similar upbringings and where Mel Brooks just occupied an enormous place about creating a sense of humor. What was funny, what was acceptable, what humor meant, what it meant ethnically, what it meant, the things that he was lampooning, why it was important for our culture and important to understand the role that humor played and what he did, when and why he did it. And to sit and see all this and see so much and to hear him talk now, to hear him interviewed now what I came away with from this was first of all his genius and his neediness to be applauded, to get the laugh, the essence of him wanting that laugh and his kindness, just the size of his heart and personally and professionally, what he did, the kindness he showed. It's also the last interview that David lynch did. And a lot of people don't realize that when David lynch was a nobody after Eraserhead. And I don't want to spoilers from this, but there's just an incredible story about how Mel Brooks, who produced the Elephant man, hired David lynch to direct the Elephant man based on Eraserhead, based on a screening of Eraserhead. And Brooks took his name off the picture completely. So it would be so the appearance of his name wouldn't predispose audiences. He wanted to do serious films, he wanted to produce serious films, but he couldn't do it with his own name on it. So even though he empowered David lynch and did everything for this production that he cared deeply about, he removed himself from it. Other than a Brooks films production that people didn't even associate with him at all.
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Matt Abaticola
Well, because that's how he learned. He learned that. And what I learned in watching the first episode only I'll watch the second one today. What Sid Caesar did for him. And Sid Caesar gave him his start and brought him on the show of shows.
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Dan Bernstein
Yep.
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Matt Abaticola
And he wasn't even part of the production staff.
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Dan Bernstein
Not officially. He was officially.
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Matt Abaticola
And he was Sid's guy. And Sid would pay him out of his pocket. So that's what Sid. So that, that's how he learned the business, that that's how you treat people, you know, so it was really cool then to hear about him and the, the friendship with Carl Reiner, how they were both, you know, writers there. And then the 2000 year old man just kind of started as a dumb bit that they would do for fun at parties. At parties. And then Steve Allen hears it and it's like, you gotta come on the show, you gotta record this. And it was great and it's a genius concept.
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Dan Bernstein
And I didn't know how badly he needed a hit. I did not know how down and out Brooks was after your show of shows.
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Matt Abaticola
Well, it was really sad to hear about what happened with his marriage. And he had three kids with his first wife.
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Dan Bernstein
And I read his memoir and he really doesn't. I think this documentary does a much better job at fleshing everything out than his memoir does.
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Matt Abaticola
It was great. It was really, really good. And what else I learned about his experiences in World War II, which I didn't know. And of course the harassment he faced for being, for being, for being Jewish. I love the story, you know, and hope that I'm sure this is accurate, but Guy, you know, makes fun of him, calls him a Jew, gets on him and he beats the out of the guy. And he said no one ever bothered him again. I just, you know, it was just. That's not something I would expect from Mel Brooks because I, you know, when I was introduced to Mel Brooks, he Was an old man.
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Dan Bernstein
He's always been an old man.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, but you just never, like, you never as a kid. You never think back. Well, yeah, he had a birth and a childhood and a life, and he was always Mel Brooks.
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Dan Bernstein
Yep.
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Matt Abaticola
And, you know, God, what was my first introduction to Mel Brooks was God. Now, why am I drawing a blank?
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Dan Bernstein
Young Frankenstein, Blazing Saddle baseballs, High anxiety.
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Matt Abaticola
I have these. I have these 15 commandments. And he.
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Dan Bernstein
History of the world.
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Matt Abaticola
History of the world. Jesus. That's where my dad first introduced me to Mel Brooks. And. And he was old. You know, you just don't think back of his life. And it was just to hear about the depression he went through and. And how bad things were, and his wife, who was a. So he met his wife, who was a dancer in Hollywood, and she's on a show with Dean Martin, and Dean Martin's hitting on her.
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Dan Bernstein
And he even said, like, why are you that nothing little Jew, that schlep.
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Matt Abaticola
Yep, that's what she said. And she's like, well, I really like him. He's like, you could have me. It's Dean Martin. And she's like, I'm good. I'm good with Melvin Kaminsky. I'm good with Mel Brooks.
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Dan Bernstein
Yep.
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Matt Abaticola
That was great. That was really great.
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Dan Bernstein
And in World War II, his battalion, his group was in France after the Germans had been pushed back. And their job was to go through and detect all of the booby traps, all the mines, all the tripwires, all the bombs that the Germans had left.
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Matt Abaticola
And so he's the youngest of four boys, and all four boys are sent off to World War II. And it was just. Just his mom and his. And his brothers.
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Dan Bernstein
Yep.
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Matt Abaticola
And so this woman's got all. And it's not the only story like that, obviously, but. But just to hear that. And one of his brothers was shot down, and he was in a bomber, but survived. And, you know, he comes home, and it's just. It's. It's a really, really cool story. I'm really glad that. That you. You. You mentioned to watch it. It was on my radar to watch. Had forgotten about it. And then when you mentioned the other day, I'm like, all right, I got to get back to that.
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Dan Bernstein
I kept laughing when here's Adam Sandler and Ben Stiller, Sarah Silverman, specifically the people right around, all talking about what their parents did. And obviously, for Ben Stiller, it's different because you had somebody in the business who had an understanding was very different. But Adam Sandler's family was in the business. Sarah Silverman's family was in the business. They just talked about, hey, this is Mel Brooks. You're supposed to. You gotta know all this stuff. This stuff matters. And then I had heard stories relatively recently. My college roommate, my three year college roommate, one of his best friends from New Jersey is a screenwriter. And when he first got to la, he was working out of New York and then he went to LA to try to write movies. And for a while was in between offices and was talking to somebody and the guy said, hey, you know, maybe we can. We got a place for you. Mel Brooks had an extra office in his. Wherever he was near the studio. He's like, oh, have him office here. We gotta use whatever you want. He's like, I got a printer, I got everything. Come in here. Absolutely. And he met him and he read some of his stuff and he gave him some notes and he's like, well, what can I do for you? What do I owe you? He's like, nah, nothing, don't worry about it. He just gave him, just brought him. He just gave him all this stuff and said he was like that with everybody and couldn't wait to help young people. Just always incredibly generous and as garrulous as you would believe. Just always walking around, always talking to people, always making people laugh.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, I love the story he told about working in the Catskills as he gets sent out to this resort as a busboy. And then the shows they put on, one of the actors couldn't make it or couldn't do it that night. So he shows that he knows all the words of every part of this play.
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Dan Bernstein
He understudied for every role.
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Matt Abaticola
He gets the opportunity. And then he fucks up. He drops a glass and it breaks and walks to the edge of the stage and he. And he's like, takes off the beard and the wig and he's like, I'm only 13. And he got the laugh. And he said it was that moment that he got that laugh.
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Dan Bernstein
I'm 13 years old. What do you want from me?
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Matt Abaticola
It was like that drug. It was like, that's what I need. I need to make people laugh. It was cool. It was just a really cool story.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah. I also didn't know that he was. I knew he played the drums, but I didn't know that Buddy Rich, somehow, through, I don't know, it's Catskills connections, but he was a better drummer than I thought. And this is something I don't want to spoil, but when you watch the next episode and you learn about. I did not know everything about the Broadway production of the Producers and how the choreography and, like the rhythm and the steps and all that. And his ability to understand some of that stuff. It all came from his drumming background. Yeah. With the. The rhythm of jokes, the rhythm of comedy, and then even some of the literal choreography and songs that he had. That too.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah.
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Dan Bernstein
Just. Yeah.
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Matt Abaticola
Really funny guy. So some of those old. The old footage of videos with. With Johnny Carson. Yeah. I can't remember who the one the show was.
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Dan Bernstein
Mike Douglas was in there.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, there was one, the one that Maury Povich, he was like, you lost your father at a young age. And he's like, we didn't lose him, he died. If we'd have lost him, we'd have sent a group out to find him.
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Dan Bernstein
Everybody hates when I make that joke. And just the understanding of why he made fun of certain things. The power of comedy and not just satire. The power of comedy. And not necessarily just sort of thinly veiled political stuff, but hitting everybody over the head with stuff. He had a sledgehammer that some people have a rapier. He had a sledgehammer. Yeah. And a whoopee cushion.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah. And it's interesting because I know you. You watched the Miracle the boys of 80, which we'll talk about coming up here in. In the. In the shows before the month ends. But the correlation between. Oh, both Brooks, their kids talking about their fathers.
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Dan Bernstein
Yes, yes.
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Matt Abaticola
You know, it was just really, really interesting.
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Dan Bernstein
Could you get any more different people than Mel Brooks and her.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah. But to hear her Brooks kids.
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Dan Bernstein
Both geniuses.
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Matt Abaticola
Both geniuses in their own way. But. Yeah, it's just, you know, there's a certain sadness too that permeates throughout the.
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Dan Bernstein
Entire first genius can be sad.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah.
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Dan Bernstein
No, really. Like if you people who are compelled to create and that's what you do, you're driving life force right for him was to chase that laugh. Yep.
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Matt Abaticola
That's her Brooks. It was to chase that win because it was denied as a player in 1960.
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Dan Bernstein
That is a really interesting paper.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah. Oh, it is. For sure. He spent 20 years. I mean, it was. It was a 20 year drive for Herb Brooks.
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Dan Bernstein
I would just like. That's really the two documentaries that both of us have most recently, for me most recently watched both people named Brooks, both geniuses, both achieved. Like he's an egot. Like the best possible. The decoration that you can achieve, you know, the Olympic gold medal. And this guy's won, you know, Emmy, Grammy.
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Matt Abaticola
Not just an Olympic gold medal. I Mean beating the greatest team on the planet.
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Dan Bernstein
Yes. With college kids having won all the national championships or three national championships in Minnesota. What a fascinating paper you could write about the. Comparing and contrasting the geniuses. Brooks.
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Matt Abaticola
Brooks. Yeah. But for Mel Brooks, his first wife divorces him, and he didn't blame her. Totally gets it, understands. But had the three kids. And to hear about his youngest child, his son, who his mom remarried, and he just assumed that that was his dad because it was like six months old when they divorced and thought his older siblings had a different dad. And this was his dad. And his mom had to sit him down and say, well, no, Mel is your. Is your dad. And his response was like, the twitchy guy. The twitchy guy is my dad.
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Dan Bernstein
Twitchy guy. Yeah. He's the man. As Rob Reiner would say, There's a man. There's a man here. There's a man coming.
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Matt Abaticola
Man's gonna sleep over.
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Dan Bernstein
He's a man. Yeah, that's the man. Are you the man?
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah. That was. That was that. That kind of. That hit me, too, a little bit, seeing Rob Reiner on screen.
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Dan Bernstein
It was. Yeah. It's very, very well done.
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Matt Abaticola
It's great.
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Dan Bernstein
And in the second episode, it's the movies I care about a lot less. Like, the later movies just weren't important to me. Okay. After writer, I mean, High Anxiety was sort of. But also what a genius Gene Wilder was, too.
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Matt Abaticola
Well, that's. For me, that's the second that will have more meaning for me because it was those later movies that I knew him. Because my parents weren't putting on Mel Brooks records.
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Dan Bernstein
Right. And you.
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Matt Abaticola
You know, like, I were too young.
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Dan Bernstein
For Blazing Saddles and Young Frankenstein at.
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Matt Abaticola
The time, so my brother showed me. And then, like, I had the. The albums I listened to were Steve Martin because of my brothers.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah. The very first album I bought with my own money, I think, was let's Get Small. Oh, wow.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, Very cool. No, but it was great. Great recommendation. Would highly recommend it as well, too. So check it out. Mel Brooks. And if you haven't watched the movies in a while, go watch the movies. I mean, just do that. Yeah.
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Dan Bernstein
I mean, that's good stuff I get. Although I'm struggling with. With. With television, because every night. Because I. I have DirecTV, and every night I still do. I still flip channels. Oh, yeah. I don't. And I sit and I flip channels. And Zoe always says, dad, every show is available to you anytime you want. Why? Because I'll complain like nothing's on. There's no Good. Like, I like to. You know, something. Somebody I run into. Godfather was on last night.
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Matt Abaticola
I get it, though, because I think it's, with our age, that habit of flipping through just to see what's on. Yeah.
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Dan Bernstein
I get paralyzed if she said, watch whatever you want, but you don't know.
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Matt Abaticola
What you want to watch.
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Dan Bernstein
I don't know. I want someone else to curate this. If I run into something, I'm like, oh, I'll watch this. She says, watch whatever you want.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah. It's more rare for me to have a purpose, to sit down in front of the TV and say, I want to watch this movie again. But, yeah, there's a comfort of being able to flip through and saying, oh, Lethal Weapon 2 is on.
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Dan Bernstein
Yes, exactly.
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Matt Abaticola
Oh, it's a diplomatic community. I'll watch the last half hour of this even.
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Dan Bernstein
Oh, there's. There's a young Patsy Kensett. You got me. Yeah, I'm good. Okay, I get it.
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Matt Abaticola
I just think it's your blink. But, I mean, that's how your daughter's grown up, though, right? On Demand? That's. That's how her life has been.
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Dan Bernstein
Well, I.
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Matt Abaticola
We didn't have On Demand. We had what's available.
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Dan Bernstein
I. I used to stomp around when. When, like, DVR at all their shows would be. DVR all the shows they wanted to watch. Here's Elmo. Here's Sid the Science Kid. Here's Handy Manny, and here's all Handy Man. And it's just like. And I was like, you know, when I was a kid, you watched the shows when they came on, and you didn't have a choice. You didn't have three of them, and you had 2, 5, 7, 9, 11, 32, and 44. And you flipped until you found something you could tolerate and you watch what was on. We didn't just have all of our shows to choose from. Whatever we want.
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Matt Abaticola
Oh, man, I love.
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Dan Bernstein
Are you still talking, dad? Get out of here. Yeah.
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Matt Abaticola
Oh, they stopped listening.
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Dan Bernstein
Handyman. I like handyman.
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Matt Abaticola
I did, too.
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Dan Bernstein
Do, do, do, do, do, do. Handyman. That's Los Lobos, by the way.
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Matt Abaticola
That's great.
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Dan Bernstein
And do. I forgot the name. It's like the. And we had to buy all the toys and everything. There's, like, a tool belt that had.
- [72:02]
Matt Abaticola
Them all on there. Oh, yeah. His nondescript orange and white hat. Oh, he'd had a problem.
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Dan Bernstein
Oh, I was just gonna say would have been bad. Oh, yeah, you can't show that anymore because people get real mad.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah. I can't remember. Did he have a brick and mortar because that would have been this way.
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Dan Bernstein
He walks outside the store and ice picks him up and ships him off to seacot. Yeah, I'm sorry. Handymany has been deported and the show has ended. And all the tools have also been deported to countries where they don't live.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, that tools with like facial expressions and talking and eyes.
- [72:38]
Dan Bernstein
All deported. Yeah. All of them separated, screaming, crying.
- [72:42]
Matt Abaticola
Yeah, the handsaws. Like, look, it says made in America.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah, well, you're not made in America. We don't believe you. Get out of here. Yep, that will do it for today's edition of Dan Bernstein Unfiltered. And it's been brought to you in partnership with my bookie, Dan Bernstein Unfiltered. Unfiltered on 312 Sports.
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