Coby White and Josh Giddey leave the Bulls game with injuries

Summary

Dan Bernstein Unfiltered – "Coby White and Josh Giddey Leave the Bulls Game with Injuries"

Podcast: Dan Bernstein Unfiltered
Hosts: Dan Bernstein, Jason
Date: December 30, 2025
Episode Theme:
A candid, in-studio breakdown of the Chicago Bulls’ latest string of injuries involving key players Coby White and Josh Giddey, analysis of recent team performance, a lively detour into NBA and NCAA trends, and the usual blend of humor and sharp commentary from Bernstein and his longtime producer.

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Main Takeaways

• Major Bulls Injuries: Coby White (calf strain, aggravation of prior injury) and Josh Giddey (hamstring) both exit, severely impacting the Bulls’ already fragile roster and future plans.
• Impact on Team Performance & Roster: The Bulls were building momentum, but these injuries exacerbate long-standing issues, namely thin guard depth and uncertain rotations.
• Trade & All-Star Implications: White’s injury complicates trade prospects; Giddey’s form raised All-Star/World team discussions.
• Tangents & Humor: Extended banter on ad reads, NBA/NCAA eligibility loopholes, and cultural memes, showcasing the hosts’ signature irreverence.
• Notable Plays: The electric win over Philadelphia, highlighted by standout dunks and team chemistry, contrasted sharply with the sobering injury news.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Bulls Injury Crisis and Its Fallout

• Coby White Injury:

  • Reinjured the same calf previously strained (02:00).
  • Discussion of the seriousness of repeated calf strains, referencing Tyrese Haliburton’s playoff injury and Kevin Durant's Achilles tear:
    • “Whenever I hear strained calf, I immediately think Achilles…” — Jason (02:52)

• Josh Giddey’s Hamstring Injury:

  • Leaves Bulls “brutally” short-handed at guard (02:18).

• Trade Market Complications:

  • White had garnered “serious interest” prior to his injury (02:25–02:39).
  • Jason jokes, “Who would ever trade for somebody with ongoing calf issues?” (02:39)

• Roster Depth and Replacement Debate:

  • Options like Tre Jones, Javon Carter, Dalen Terry, and possible 10-days (Mac McClung mentioned) discussed with limited enthusiasm (06:07).
  • “With your starting backcourt down, who the hell is going to be your backcourt?” — Jason (05:56)

Bulls’ Recent Performance and Notable Moments

• Recap of the Bulls' last four games — optimism after win over Philadelphia, disappointment after injuries (00:34–01:40).

• Praise for Jalen Smith’s (“Sticks”) viral dunk and surprising athleticism (06:39–07:11).

• Team chemistry highlighted post-victory with Vucevic's playful celebration with White (07:39–08:28).

• Memorable quote:

  • “The bench went absolutely insane.” — Dan (06:58)

Strategic and Tactical Observations

• Doc Rivers and Bucks’ defensive strategy: attacking the Bulls’ ballhandlers, making life difficult for Giddey, White, and the rest of the backcourt (05:26–05:56).
• Bulls’ inability to slow Giannis highlighted as a reality of the matchup:
  • “What are you gonna do? He can go anywhere on the court. He can beat anybody you guard him with. Yeah, he’s Giannis.” — Dan (10:46)

Around the NBA & NCAA: All-Star and Eligibility Loopholes

• All-Star World vs USA concept; Giddey discussed as a “top-15 international player” (03:36–04:41).

• Jokic’s injury situation briefly mentioned (03:58–04:16).

• NBA rookies with international eligibility and shifting All-Star competitive structures — comparison of top international stars (04:28–04:41).

• NCAA Transfer & Eligibility Loopholes:

  • Wild transfers of NBA/G-League players BACK to college (Trenton Flowers, James Nnaji), confusion over rules, Tom Izzo & Scott Drew's banter stands out (12:04–16:07).
  • Candid sentiment on NCAA chaos:
    • “All that matters is winning, and right now…if this window…lasts, I take advantage.” — Jason (16:18)
    • “It's pro ball. Treat it like pro ball…As long as it's within title IX or whatever governs it at the moment, until the sport says something, the league says something, is USA Basketball gonna have something to say about it? I don't know. But it's a moment.” — Dan (16:43)

NBA Trivia and Stats Showdown

• Bar trivia style exchange:
  • NBA record for steals in a game (Kendall Gill and Larry Kenon), Bulls-specific twists, banter over answering (32:22–36:11).
  • Obscure Bulls stat: most games with exactly 10 points (Patrick Williams, perfect fit per hosts) (38:04–39:14).
  • Career comps: Anthony Tolliver as Patrick Williams’s top Basketball Reference comp (40:07–41:32).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “If you watch that play, he realized…Yes, even Stacy said go and foul him. But don’t throw him to the ground or anything.” — Jason discussing how to (not) handle Giannis (11:28–11:52)
• On NCAA coaching hypocrisy:
  • “It's not Tom Izzo's job to police other coaches…all these sanctimonious coaches…like Mike Krzyzewski decrying one-and-dones…” — Dan (18:02–18:22)
• On ad reads and broadcasting headaches:
  • “If they're not paying you specifically to do it…I'm just not doing these. Record me once and then play Matt.” — Dan recalling radio days (26:15–28:26)
  • The “Stacy groan” during an ad read becomes a running joke (27:01–28:01)
• Banter on “meme rule” and pop culture:
  • “If I know about it, it's Too late.” — Dan, comparing stock market timing to viral memes (22:17–22:19)
• Humor: running gag about “Grandma’s bag of dildos” when discussing weird things you might carry into a building (42:53–43:15)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• (00:34): Bulls’ recent stretch and emerging injury concerns
• (02:00): Coby White’s calf injury details
• (02:18): Josh Giddey’s hamstring injury
• (02:25): Bulls’ trade plans disrupted
• (03:36–04:41): All-Star international player debate/Giddey’s standing
• (06:39–07:11): Sticks’ highlight dunk reaction
• (07:39–08:28): Team chemistry after Philadelphia win; Vucevic’s leadership
• (10:46–11:52): Handling Giannis, NBA matchups, and “playoff fouls”
• (12:04–16:07): NBA/NCAA player movement loopholes, Tom Izzo-Scott Drew episode
• (26:15–28:44): Radio/TV live ad reads, the “Stacy groan”
• (32:22–36:11): NBA steals record trivia; Kendall Gill, Larry Kenon
• (38:04–41:32): Bulls trivia: games with exactly 10 points/Anthony Tolliver comp
• (42:53–43:15): Grandma’s bag of dildos gag

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Tone & Style

• Sharp, irreverent, and informal — filled with in-jokes, sarcastic quips, and sports-nerd digressions.
• Blunt assessments (“Fire them all [trainers]? No, you're not going to fire everybody…”), pop culture references, and competitive trivia exchanges echo the hosts’ roots in classic Chicago radio banter.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

This episode is a quintessential dose of Bernstein Unfiltered: a thorough, unsparing breakdown of how untimely injuries have derailed Bulls optimism, candid speculation about roster moves and trading realities, insightful and irreverent analysis of the wider NBA/NCAA landscape, capped off by a sharp sense of Chicago sports trivia and humor. Even if you’re not a Bulls fan, you’ll find something here—whether it’s learning about obscure NBA records or just getting a laugh from the hosts’ lived-in banter.

Transcript

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Organizations win championships. A Chicago Bulls podcast with Jason and dan Bernstein on 312 Sports. Welcome to OWC, a Chicago Bulls podcast. And look at this. We're in studio. Yeah. How about it?

[B]

Official now.

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Yeah.

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Right. But the only thing is that we're separated, so there's. There isn't going to be any pushing and shoving.

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Well, you could easily walk across and punch me or I could go over and tickle you or something.

[B]

That sounds really weird.

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I could thr at you if you want.

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Oh, do you want this watermelon head?

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No, I would prefer not. Since we last talked, I think there's been four games because it was the second Atlanta game in there and the Bulls were looking really, really good. We actually got to watch some of these games together, especially the win over Philadelphia. Let's just.

[B]

And even. Even the loss against Milwaukee. And then majority of the game and.

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Then all hell broke loose and everything went off the rails. But at the moment, The Bulls are 15 and 17 and that is ninth in the NBA East. They're comfortable place. They are ranked 21st in offensive rating 25th and defensive net rating minus four. Now 24th of 30. So let's. Why don't we just start at the top with last night's game. All of a sudden we turn on the TV and Zach Collins and is out with a sprained toe.

[B]

Yep.

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So, all right. That sucked because he was playing great and it was affecting the rotations where Vuch's minutes were a little bit lower. Patrick Williams had been nearly completely benched.

[B]

And it made Jalen Smith more effective because you have another big out there that can do relatively similar things. I would say Collins is a bit more valuable, but it made Jalen Smith's job a lot easier because he wasn't asked to do as much.

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And now that's all going to change because not only does Kobe White go down with a calf strain, I believe.

[B]

It'S the same leg, right?

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Well, there's been two. This is the same as the first one.

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That's what I mean.

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Yes. This is the same as the one that kept him out of the start of the season.

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That's what I'm saying. Like re aggravation or whatever. Roma dunes a classic.

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So he's out. And then later in the game, Josh Giddey leaves with what appears to be a pulled hamstring.

[B]

That was the big one. Brutal.

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Well, they're both bad.

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Well, Kobe hasn't been playing great, which.

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Exacerbates the current problem that they have in that they were shopping him we know for a fact that there were at least teams interested.

[B]

The team they played last night was interested. Now after that, I think they're going to pull out of that one.

[A]

Who would ever trade for somebody with ongoing calf issues?

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We know what calf issues lead to.

[A]

Well, they can. We don't know that they necessarily do.

[B]

Whenever I hear strained calf, I immediately think Achilles. And I don't know if that's because of what happened last season with everyone in the playoffs, especially Tyrese Halliburton. Just because they said he's playing on a strained calf. They're trying to be really careful. And then, obviously, the devastating injury after a crazy start in Game seven.

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It happened with Durant.

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Durant.

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We saw it happen.

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Yeah. In 2019. Yep.

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Same thing.

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Yeah. And came back a little too early. So I think what they're going to do is keep Kobe out for a while. What really sucks is just the giddy injury because he's been balling this year. And we were discussing last night because now that the format for the NBA All Star Game is world versus usa, I don't think there are.

[A]

There's two USA teams, right? Aren't there three total teams? I don't know. I think so.

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I don't know. But there. He's a top 15 international player in the NBA right now, at the very least, I guess.

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Didn't we say.

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We said a few names that we rattled off. It was Jokic, who's also hurt.

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Yeah. He's out a month with a hyperextended knee.

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Dodged the bullet, though.

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Yeah. The latest I saw it was a sham Sharania tweet that in his twisted syntax. I was able to somehow determine that it's a hyperextension, but all of the ligaments in the knee are intact and there's no meniscal damage, I guess. Yeah.

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So Jokic, Luca, Giannis, who we will talk about later. Shay, because he's Canadian. And then I think we said. We said Pascal, right? Yeah.

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Siakam Embiid.

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If he's healthy, I guess.

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Markkanen.

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Markkanen. Yeah, for sure.

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Siakam. Markkanen. Avdia. Yes.

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But other. It's hard to say.

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5, 6, 7, 8. I'm sure we're missing guys, but.

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But I don't think there's seven of them.

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Are there any other bigs in there? Any other, like. Oh, Zubots over Giddy.

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No, no, no, no, no, no.

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Okay, stop. All right, stop. He's pretty good.

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Would you rather Visa Zubots or Josh Giddey on your team? If you're starting a franchise, I want both. Stop being a child. If you had to pick one, I'd probably take Josh. Kidding by a mile. Okay.

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But yeah, either way, he was having an All Star close to an All Star season. Not only that, he was the engine of everything the Bulls are doing.

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Everything down, the only guy that could really create.

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Which is why you saw the Bucks and Doc Rivers attack everything. The moment he caught the ball, stand in his way. That was essential. And attack his dribble. And that's everybody on the Bulls. Attack their dribble. Attack their dribble. It's modest. It's Kobe White. It's giddy, everybody. When as soon as the ball hits the floor, send digs and extra hands and help and just rake at it.

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The issue is with. With your starting backcourt down, who the hell is going to be your backcourt? Other than Trey Jones herder. But is he not a forward?

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Whatever he is, IO, he's the only IO can at least get downhill.

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Do you trust Dale and Terry? Do you trust Javon Carter? No.

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Well, I mean, I trust Javon Carter to shoot.

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Right.

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That's all he's going to do.

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Do you have to go and pick up Mac McGlong on the 10 day again or Ottawa on a 10 day?

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I don't. I don't know.

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Because they were finally starting to play well. They were in the game with the Eagles for a bit.

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I know, and they really were. And the shame of it, the win over Philly was so good.

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God, that dunk.

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Obviously, we got to talk about that. The dunk by Sticks.

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That was.

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I did not think he was going to turn his hand over.

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He kind of did a little thing, little twisty thingy, just keeping it out of the way. And I didn't know he could get up like that.

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Nobody did. The bench went absolutely insane.

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If he can do that, why isn't he rim protecting like that? I don't know. That's my question. Although he did have a crazy block last night.

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He did, but it's usually you need a running start. You saw him. He had the whole baseline Runway on the dunk. And for a shot blocker, you don't run into those shot blocks. You're just springing or you're just. I mean, this. Like. I see what Gobert did to I.O. last night where I.O. had the step. He faked him and he like, oh, I got him. I have the step on him. And Gobert just like kind of leaned over and.

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Well, that's the thing. That's when you need to have supreme athleticism and just dunk the ball.

[A]

That's why he was a second round pick. But the win over Philly, it was a great one. And if you noticed immediately after the game, as well as Kobe, White played late as he is talking to Casey Johnson, was it Casey? I think at the end it's whoever, maybe in national game, the. He's doing the post game interview. And of all people, it's Vuchevic that comes over and messes up his hair and sort of sends that message. Because Vuch is the guy who was saying after these wins, that could have been losses. And it was, be happy, man, celebrate. If you said, get off me, get away from me, stop messing with me in that regard, for him to give the go ahead and be like, this one's worth celebrating, this is a real win. This is one to get excited about, like, okay, they're back onto something or they're healthy again and then this bullshit happens again.

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Yep.

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It sucks. It sucks. And I, I don't know what you can do with your strength and conditioning people or your nutritionists or your doctors. Fire them all. No, you're not going to fire everybody. I, I don't think there's any rhyme or reason, but I don't know. And there were just blows. Well, so let's talk about the Milwaukee.

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Game too, because they were in. It was a solid game. Yeah. And coming off of that win, just the fact that they were in it pretty much until the last minute, that rhymed. Cars.

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They played well. When Giannis wanted to take over, there.

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Was in limited minutes, nothing.

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Well, they, I think they extended it at the end.

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Maybe.

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I think he went past his minute.

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I think the most obvious talk, talking point right now from that game, other than the fact that they were decent and I guess Collins got hurt. He did get hurt, but I'm saying that it was a serious injury to an extent. And the biggest talking point is going to be the dunk at the end. And I, I didn't think he was going to do it. And then I saw the Runway, I said, oh, okay, who cares? It's the first time he's been back on the court for however long. He's probably excited and I don't mind Vuch coming up to him, just saying, hey. As vouch the veteran multiple time all star, just saying, hey, really, man, Come on. But when Bobby Portis came in, he knew he, he started because then the benches kind of got up and maybe it was Dalen who.

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Well, Portis first of all, he had a hoodie on. Did you notice that Portis is just. Porters is wearing a hoodie?

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Always has been.

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And he had the hood on and I wasn't sure. And then. And then you saw him. You see the eyes, like, oh, oh.

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And then he started the shovel dog.

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Yes, of course Portis gets in there.

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So I'm not so mad at Vuht. I'm not mad at the situation. It's just that if you're the Bulls, what are you gonna do?

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That was my point. It's Giannis. It's not Grayson Allen. When you're mad at Grayson Allen for knocking Caruso out there, well, that's also.

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Different because he knocks.

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It's a shitty, rude, dirty, dirty foul. Yeah, it was bad. But the difference is, what the hell? Even. Even if you had a righteous reason to be mad, even if Giannis was doing something dirty, what are you gonna do? He can go anywhere on the court. He can beat anybody you guard him with. Yeah, he's Giannis. That's why Vuch is more of a. I thought his was. Hey, come on, man.

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Yeah.

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What are we doing? Why?

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Yeah. I don't know.

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Or you can stop him.

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No, you can't.

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That's the problem. But I'm saying. But if you watch that play, he realized that there wasn't like.

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Yes, even Stacy said go and foul him.

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Right.

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But don't throw him to the ground or anything. But no, come on, man. It. I don't really. It's not going to define the season. I don't think the next time they play the Bucs, they're going to have a chip on their shoulder. They're going to. They might have a chip on their shoulder. The issue is you're playing against a Hall of first ballot hall of Famer.

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Yeah. And right now, what is Lachlan Ulbricht going to do? Seriously, who are you. Who are you bringing into the game? Your guy, Emmanuel Miller. Miller. What are they going to do?

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I don't know. Not much.

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I don't even call it.

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Mac McLaurin. Speaking of G League guys, I think it's worth talking about what's been going on with the G League in college basketball. Okay, so the Baylor coach, Scott Drew got this dude who was a second round pick by. Was it Charlotte? I think Philly and then traded to Charlotte, played the summer league with Charlotte and was on the Knicks G League team and is now going to Baylor as a 21 year old freshman.

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James Najee.

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Yeah. And the people have been Looking at Trenton Flowers who is a Bulls two way guy right now and he I believe is played in the game this season for the Bulls for a couple minutes. Whoa, whoa.

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How can you go back to college if you've played in an NBA game?

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Didn't play in college. That's why he played overseas before going to the G League in the NBA.

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I thought it was only if you hadn't played in the NBA.

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I don't think so.

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So anybody who went directly, who never played, so theoretically LeBron, like Ahmed and Asar Thompson would be eligible to go play in college.

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Why would they do that though?

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Well, they wouldn't, but I'm just talking about the way this. I like to think that I know a lot about pro basketball but this area I'd be pretending if I really understood because the coaches themselves say they don't really know and everybody.

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The NCAA trend Flowers has appeared in two games this season. He scored so. And I believe he's getting college looks right now.

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Why would.

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So if I look up Trenton Flowers, Bulls two way guard on college radar as NCAA eligibility remains.

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But why would he do that?

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Money. Because he'd make a lot more and.

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Then maybe then he could. At any point though, let me ask this. If James Najee or Trenton Flowers or player X with college eligibility goes back and says, all right, I'm going to go play for Baylor two weeks in, say he's there for two weeks or three games, whatever it is, goes off, any NBA team would call him and say come play for us right now. Do you just leave?

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I'm not sure he's been through. Would he have to leave and sign? Yeah, but would he have to leave and sign like a binding contract to the school and say you are.

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See that's what the NCAA and, or Congress and. Or until there are contracts, until there's actual rights and contracts, you just can.

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Do whatever you want.

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You're a free agent. You're a free agent. So.

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But are they going to go to class and stuff like that? That's another question as a college student. Even like the athletes don't. The athletes don't really give a shit. Or the high level ones don't.

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Right. But they'd have to be enrolled.

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All the baseball players do, but they pretend to. True, that's a good point.

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A grad student. I don't, I have no, no freshman.

[B]

Like are they gonna have to take, you know that intro to college, freshman.

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Class, keep their eligibility. Right. They have to keep their grades up.

[B]

Yeah, you have to take a Certain amount of credits to be able to play, right?

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I think so. I don't know. I don't know. Would you have old veterans going back to actually be college students and sit in class with other freshmen? I don't know the answer to this stuff. I just find it hilarious that Tom. Yeah, I was just gonna say so Tommy Izza was asked about it because apparently he's like the, the commissioner of college basketball, because they're. The ncaa, is not saying anything. So they go to the most tenured coach and is a. Well, I'm going to call Scott Drew and I've got to find out what's going on.

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I love Scott Drew's response on, on X or Twitter, whatever you want to call it.

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Well, apparently the conversation he had with Izzo was, hey, you tell me the rules, man. I'm trying to win basketball games here.

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If I, if I'm Scott Drew, I'm taking advantage. I'm trying to get NBA players on my team.

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Sure. Why wouldn't you? If you're allowed to. Yeah, I mean, it's, I think it's.

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Stupid, but if I'm a college coach and I want to win, I'm not going to, I'm, I'm not going to. Integrity of the game, respect for the college game.

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Bullshit.

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I don't care. Win. All that matters is winning. And if this, right now, in this window, however long it lasts, until there are more things that get set up with these rules, I take advantage. Go ahead. I do think, I mean, I guess I feel bad for some walk ons or something, but as a coach, keep going.

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At some point somebody's going to have to say or do something. And I think this ends with contracts that you're going to have to collectively bargain. It's, it's pro ball. Treat it like pro ball. That way you're settling your nil situations. You may have to just give every team some sort of have some transparent accounting and say these are what the schools are allowed, the collectives are allowed to do and let. I want player freedom and player agency and I don't want it artificially capped. If one school wants to go spend all the money that they make on their television deal, and if they want to cut out other programs and cut their wrestling team and their fencing team and their field hockey team because they got to pay one guy, that's up to the school. And as long as it's within title nine or within whatever governs it at the moment, until the sport says something, the league says something, is USA Basketball gonna have something to say about it? I don't know, but it's a moment. They're literally going to Tom Izzo, the coach of Michigan State, and he's. Well, I'm gonna have to call Scott Drew. Okay, well, he called him, and Scott.

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Drew said, I had a very productive conversation and I just thought it was such a good response.

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It's not Tom Izzo's job to police other coaches.

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No.

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And these same guys, all of these sanctimonious coaches, the same ones. It was Mike Krzyzewski decrying one and dones. The whole idea of the one. And we like to have people in school for all four years ideally.

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He produced so many one and dones.

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Please remember what he said when William Avery left and Krzyzewski calls William Avery's mother, as the story goes, and said, you son is gonna fuck my program. Okay, well, great. Your program then, is gonna lead the league in one and dones and. And have all the NBA draft picks, they stay for one year, and you turn it over to somebody else, and then you retire. Okay, great. All right, let's.

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Let's go back and let's see Cameron Boozer Cooper, Flag. Who's the year before that? Who? McCain.

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Jeremy.

[B]

McCain, Jeremy.

[A]

Jared.

[B]

Jared. And then the year before that. 2020. What was it? 2023.

[A]

Oh, my God, they've had everybody. And now you've got Flag and Con Caniple, who are battling it out for NBA Rookie of the Year. Look, you've seen those numbers, dude, it's those two. And everybody else, dude, even Dylan Harper.

[B]

And well, it's hard for Dylan Harper because that team is just so good.

[A]

Yeah, well. But Knipples team is bad. But he's their best player.

[B]

Oh, yeah. Brandon Miller is good, too.

[A]

Knipples, their. Their number one option.

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Who else is in the Rookie of the Year? Because I know there's another. Oh, either one of the Pelicans guys, I would. I like Jeremiah Fears more, but they've been pretty good. Another rookie that I loved. Asa Newell on Atlanta.

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Yes.

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Told you.

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Is that the lefty? Yes, yes.

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I told you about him before the draft. And I said I wanted. Because he's big, athletic, and he can shoot and he's. And he runs the floor.

[A]

You did.

[B]

And they took a child who was out for the season.

[A]

You've been right on some of those. You like to Eve. Missy loved him. You liked some of the guys who were, like, available around some of those spots.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So I give you credit on that. You've been picking those guys.

[B]

I've been on a roll because I said the same thing about Luther Burden, too, to you. I mean, different sport, but he's so good.

[A]

Well, Keon Coleman was your other guy.

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Now, and he loves Keon Coleman.

[A]

He just too sleepy.

[B]

He's too. You saw that clip of Cam Newton, right?

[A]

Cam Newton?

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Oh, it's gone viral. And there's so many edits of it on his podcast. He's a loon.

[A]

He's the one who said that he's. Wasn't he pissed that they didn't call him in the corner instead of him?

[B]

Yeah. Okay, well, what was this he said he was talking to? He was like, I have a message for you, Keon Coleman. You know, you can go and do this. This whole thing, you know, people love you. This whole I like cookies type thing. You supposed to be on number one, but you playing like a bum and something like that.

[A]

Why did he say it like that?

[B]

You just did. And he made a face of the camera, and now it's gone viral, and people have been, you know, making AI out of it and putting it on like a talking baby and stuff. It's.

[A]

It's. It's. Yeah, it's already past me.

[B]

Like.

[A]

Like when the memes become memes and they're meme memes, like memes times memes.

[B]

To the meme squared.

[A]

Yeah. Meme to the power of meme. Then I.

[B]

Everything.

[A]

Now I start to lose it a little bit.

[B]

You've lost it.

[A]

No, I'm. I'm better than you think. Every once in a while. I know. I know more than I told you.

[B]

Also, I know more than I just want to say for the record. He's saying that the 6, 7 thing is over, yet he. Every single time he hears it, he references. He references it before I do.

[A]

Only because you're there. I wouldn't otherwise do it.

[B]

You'll start to do it, and Mom's gonna get pissed.

[A]

Well, I hear it in my head when they describe, like, a Kevin Herder. He's six, seven. Yeah. So that's another indication that it's over. No, if I'm already doing it.

[B]

No, you're perpetuating it.

[A]

No, it's over. If I'm there, the trade is over. The deal is over. It's the same as my. My meme rule is similar to my rule about, like, stocks or the next big thing in the market. If you're.

[B]

Oh, yes. Your meme rule is comparable to the stock market.

[A]

If I know about it, it's Too late.

[B]

As. As something Johnson once said. Blow it out your ass, Howard.

[A]

Which Johnson? You should know which Johnson.

[B]

It was Gabby Johnson. Was a Gabby Johnson.

[A]

No, Gary Johnson. That's the Gabby Hayes character. The bushwackers rector.

[B]

It's not.

[A]

It was Gabby Johnson.

[B]

It wasn't Howard. Howard's the ice cream guy.

[A]

Do you know why Howard's the ice cream guy?

[B]

Howard Johnson.

[A]

You ever heard of Howard Johnson's ice cream?

[B]

No.

[A]

You haven't?

[B]

No.

[A]

You're lying.

[B]

I've heard it a couple of times, but I don't know that much.

[A]

That's the joke. His name is Howard Johnson.

[B]

Howard Johnson is right.

[A]

Then it was like Lincoln Johnson is right about Howard Johnson being right. Because they're all named. I'm going to forget it.

[B]

Wow. Because they're all named Johnson.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Great word for schlong.

[A]

Well, that's why I always thought the name Magic Johnson was a compliment.

[B]

Oh, there's a song called Magic Johnson for that reason. Like Magic Johnson. Oh. By this white dude named. Whose rap name is Ian.

[A]

His rap name is Ian.

[B]

It's just Ian? Yeah, he performed at Lollapalooza and it's not the best music, but it gets white people crazy.

[A]

Wait, explain this to me. His name is Ian and he makes white people crazy.

[B]

He raps and white people go. My age just go nuts. Including myself.

[A]

Why?

[B]

I don't know. Because the beat is really good. The auto tune is really good. Like, it's just catchy.

[A]

Is this like the new Young Gravy?

[B]

No, no, no. It's better than that. It's not like a joke.

[A]

I thought Young Gravy was the guy that made white people crazy with his.

[B]

Like, he's like a porn star now. Like, he's doing. Who is Young Gravy?

[A]

He's a porn star.

[B]

He's. He's doing stuff on, like, only fans and stuff. Yeah, but yeah, man. Good for him.

[A]

What? Yeah, I should start an only fans.

[B]

Who would buy it.

[A]

I always thought it was a good idea.

[B]

Actually watched a Family Guy episode last night that I was not expecting to realize that. Or that I was not expecting to see Meg Griffin become a foot porn model.

[A]

Meg Griffin. No, I'd never seen that one.

[B]

Yeah, it was a weird one.

[A]

Yeah. So my only fans would just be me naked doing cryptic crosswords. Hey, no moaning from the peanut gallery over there.

[B]

Do you remember that south park special with Randy Marsh?

[A]

Yes. Oh, that was a great one.

[B]

He was, like, pouring prime on his nards.

[A]

It was the same episode, Right? Because they had the prime cans and.

[B]

He was pouring prime on his balls.

[A]

Yes, I remember that.

[B]

And. Oh, nard garlic. Remember that?

[A]

Nard garlic.

[B]

Yeah. So I was.

[A]

He asked me if I was making chicken Vesuvio.

[B]

He asked me if I wanted to cut the garlic. And I was like, well, my hand.

[A]

His hand was there in his pants. And I said, would you cut the garlic, please, and wash your hands? And he said, what, you don't want nard garlic? And I started. Now every time he said nard garlic, I was laughing. Just because it's funny.

[B]

I didn't think it was that funny, but he just couldn't stop laughing.

[A]

It sounded funny. Nard garlic. It's just fun to say. So I wanted to also mention this, one of the funniest moments watching a Bulls game that I can remember.

[B]

Well, I caught it.

[A]

For the record, you caught it and we rewound it. Do you still say rewind or. Nobody says that anymore, do they?

[B]

I do.

[A]

So they move it back because there's no tape. You're not.

[B]

I say rewind.

[A]

Okay. There's. One of the live reads during Bull's broadcasts is a mouthful, and I forgot exactly what the product is. But any of us who've done broadcasting know the feeling of a certain live read, especially if it's non endorsement, because.

[B]

You'Re not getting paid.

[A]

If they're not paying you specifically to do it. And you look at your stack of reads and you're. Or like, for radio, we would get a stack beforehand. For tv, it's different. Most. When you see most of these TV live sports broadcasts, a stage manager has the stack of reads and will set them in front of you when you're supposed to do them.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That way you don't get cluttered. And that way you read it, you hand it like this and somebody will take it back from you and throw it away, recycle it. So you hear, Stacy, you heard this. You caught this here, Stacy, apropos of nothing, just go, oh, as they're coming. As they're coming back from commercial.

[B]

So I don't even know if they were coming back from commercial.

[A]

There was a pause.

[B]

I think it was like a free throw or something.

[A]

Yeah, there's a pause. And you hear Stacy go. I'm like, what happened? Did somebody hit him in the ball? Like, what?

[B]

When you first heard it? When. After we rewound, he said, wait, what's going on? And then he starts the ad read. And I said, dad, that's the thing.

[A]

He didn't want to do it. He Saw this block of single spaced copy handed to him and then he goes into the read. But you're not supposed to do that on the air because it's at least.

[B]

Mute the mic or something.

[A]

Right. It hits your cough button because it's bad for the sponsor. You don't want the sponsor to think that like, oh, this reed is a bitch and I gotta go through all this.

[B]

It just says that whatever I'm reading about doesn't work or isn't necessary.

[A]

Everybody has had ad reads that annoy them or bother them.

[B]

I've never heard that before.

[A]

I've never heard somebody live go, oh, and then start this one again. And then start the ad read. We used to do it. Which was it? Where Terry used to complain about. It was pajamagram. It was either pajamagram or teddy bear or something where Terry would just be. I'm just. I'm not doing these. Record me once and then play Matt.

[B]

Do you remember which one it was?

[A]

I don't remember where Terry would bitch about one of the long reads that he didn't want to do all of them. But it's like, I don't want to do this, buddy. You do this one. I'm not doing this. You do this one. Or then he'd start doing it wrong on purpose.

[B]

I think it was pajamagram.

[A]

It was pajamagram. I think. And they're really nice people too. They're great client nice people.

[B]

It just.

[A]

I don't want to read this. I got too much else to say. I got things. I don't want to talk about it.

[B]

Tell them you have names.

[A]

Well, that was Jiggits. Tell him your name. Sent you. I think you're actually supposed to insert your name and I state your name to hereby pledge to Hedley Lamar. And then it's like, schmucks.

[B]

Schmucks. Harvey Corman's so awesome.

[A]

He was what, high school Sen. Yes, well done, sir.

[B]

You've told me that when we would pass the school. But I almost had Taft.

[A]

No Sen. And Harvey Corman. The voice of which much reviled Flintstones character.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

I don't remember anyone. Anyone. A Flintstones character who was believed to be a. A signal of shark jumping the Great Gazoo. Okay. The alien that only Flints wasn't a big Flintstones. Yeah. I'm not missing anything. No. But the Great Gazoo was voiced by Corman. Yeah, they do still. They're still associated with that. I guess they have to be because the whole Pebbles idea was Rocks from the Flintstones and Pebbles.

[B]

Check out the big brain on Dan. Well, come on, man.

[A]

I was thinking it through, I guess.

[B]

Congrats.

[A]

But most people don't like kids who like Fruity Pebbles. Don't know who the Flintstones are.

[B]

They just think of them as like the mascots. But I guess it's the Flintstones mask. The people from the Flintstones. Pebbles. Pebbles was the daughter. Wow.

[A]

Wasn't Pebbles the daughter? Their daughter was named Pebbles, but like, Jesus, that's kind of weird. The daughter was named Pebbles.

[B]

How does that seem? It sounds like a dog name.

[A]

I don't know. Well, just when it comes to actually naming a food after the daughter, I.

[B]

Don'T know, is that any different than like Sarah's Country Chicken or something like that? You know, because that's what grandma used to make.

[A]

Yeah, but you're not consuming Sarah of the Country Chicken. You're eating the chicken.

[B]

Oh, I see what you're saying. We're metaphorically eating their daughter is what you're saying. Okay, did I just say that?

[A]

I didn't. I didn't for a reason.

[B]

That's like a real term.

[A]

Yeah. Well, you want to go to the showdown. I do, actually. What a perfect time to do the showdown. We need lyrics for this. It is showdown time in the thing where we ask trivia questions. All right, I. I never knew this. And don't ask me why I so steals have been an official stat in the NBA since the 73. 74 season. So since I was 4 years old, steals have been an official stat.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you know who has the all time record for most steals in one NBA game? Wow.

[B]

Okay. That simple. Well, I'm saying as a question.

[A]

I did not know this.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Two people share it. All I will say is they both. Both have played for the Bulls.

[B]

Have played for the Bulls.

[A]

Neither one reached this mark as a Bull.

[B]

Got it.

[A]

But your all time NBA co leaders just in one game for steals in one NBA game.

[B]

Can you tell me the number or no?

[A]

11.

[B]

11.

[A]

A lot of guys have had 10. A lot of guys have had nine. Only two have officially.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Ever had 11.

[B]

Wayne Wade.

[A]

No, but that's a.

[B]

Damn it.

[A]

It's a really good guess.

[B]

Damn it.

[A]

He might have had nine or ten.

[B]

I thought, I thought that because he barely played for the Bulls. Like, I thought that would have been a really good.

[A]

There was a teammate of his that I thought might have been on here as well.

[B]

What? Rondo?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Butler?

[A]

Nope.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

That was the third of the three Alpha.

[B]

Yeah, I was going to say, but it kind of makes sense. Heinrich.

[A]

No. I feel like we were too long a bull.

[B]

He would have. He would have done Atlanta.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Andres Noccioni.

[A]

I will give you one I do not expect you to get.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

The other is a. Is reasonable.

[B]

What? Luol.

[A]

I said if he gets that. No. Oh, if he gets. If he gets the other one.

[B]

No way.

[A]

Yeah. Then we're all. Every's going home. He pulls that name out, every is going home.

[B]

Reggie Theus.

[A]

No, Reggie. Reggie.

[B]

No.

[A]

Reggie. If you're getting back on defense, Reggie's getting a salad. I'm just trying to think of things to do.

[B]

I'm just trying to. I'm just trying to think of.

[A]

He might have a steal if somebody, like, walked up and handed him the ball.

[B]

What's the. What's the name of the. I'm totally blanking that. The shooter. Shooter guy.

[A]

Which shooter guy?

[B]

Not. Not shooting. McGavin, but from the. From the 80s that briefly played with Jordan.

[A]

John Paxton.

[B]

No, like rookie year. Wait, George Gervin?

[A]

No, it was not George. Also, he's over there with Reggie. He's sitting at the Reggie table.

[B]

It's not.

[A]

Don't worry about that guy.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Worry about the other guy.

[B]

BJ Armstrong.

[A]

No, don't just guess names. You can ask yes and no questions.

[B]

90S for the one guy that I.

[A]

Should get for when he played for the Bulls.

[B]

Correct. No.

[A]

Let me. Let me get this on here, just to make sure. Don't. Don't look.

[B]

2000S?

[A]

I think so.

[B]

Yeah. It had to be. Was I alive?

[A]

Yeah, I think. Let me get the exact years he. Yeah, he played for The Bulls in 03 04.

[B]

One season.

[A]

One season. Full season.

[B]

Jamal Crawford.

[A]

And the next year was his last year? No, he was 35.

[B]

Oh, okay.

[A]

But there are.

[B]

Was he an All Star?

[A]

He never was an All Star, but he was known as a. As a defensive player who did get a lot of steals. So this is the one that's in character. And you should also know his relationship to the team beyond that year and.

[B]

To the team, meaning the Bulls.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Coach?

[A]

No.

[B]

Front office. No. You're getting broadcaster.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Kendall.

[A]

Kendall Gill.

[B]

I should have gotten that.

[A]

Kendall gill.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Got 11 steals in a game. April 3, 19, Charlotte 99, with the Nets.

[B]

Interesting. Okay, good. Good. Amen. Kendall was a great player.

[A]

I mean, great.

[B]

Although I don't think that take about Derek Queen still.

[A]

Well, he has See a take like that, though. That's.

[B]

What did he. What did he say about him?

[A]

Like he said Derek Queen reminds him of a young Moses more.

[B]

Right. And it was last year he said that modest is going to be better in Korea. Cooper Flag. Yeah, Cooper Flag is already better.

[A]

Yeah, you're by the way, your Kendall Gill comps, Jerry Stackhouse, Jalen Rose, Slater Martin, Danny Green, Eric Snow, Wesley Matthews, Sedale Threat, DJ Augustine, Eric Bledsoe and Jay Humphries. Oh, yeah. Now the other guy. All right, just Larry Keenan.

[B]

Never would have gotten that Special K.

[A]

Never would have gotten Larry Keenan. You nothing on him?

[B]

No, nothing. Absolutely nothing.

[A]

I remember when the Bulls signed him as a free agent and I got very excited that they were getting this guy who was a star in San Antonio.

[B]

White guy. No, no, no.

[A]

Special K, Dr. K. Mr. K, super K. Larry Keenan was an ABA three time ABA All Star his rookie year. In the next two years, NBA All Star in 70 and 78, 79. And then he became a Bull in 80, 81 and just was hitting the downside of his career at that point.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But he also had 11 steals in a game.

[B]

So I have a simple question, but if you want to make it a two parter for the answer. I did look up his comps and I just wanted to see. Want to see if you could get the number one guy. But. Okay, here's the first question since 2015. Name the bulls player with the most games with exactly 10 points. So just that's it.

[A]

What a weird ass question.

[B]

Yeah. The warriors is Draymond green with like.

[A]

50 something since 2015. 2015, the most games with exactly 10.

[B]

Points is 28 of them.

[A]

I was thinking Taj Gibson would have been a good.

[B]

Not Taj Gibson because it would be after. Yeah. Like only a couple seasons. Yeah.

[A]

Most games with exactly 10 points. Trying to remember who's on these teams. 2015, 2016. That's when you had Markkanen and is an American player.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Was he a Bulls draft pick?

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I've got such a hole in my knowledge when it comes to some of this stuff. Was it a guard? No, A drafted forward. Is it Patrick?

[B]

It's Patrick Williams. Patrick Williams average.

[A]

That is a perfect stat for him. Although I will say last night he had an elite defensive sequence.

[B]

Yes. Against Edwards.

[A]

Against Anthony and Jalen Smith had a.

[B]

Great sequence as well.

[A]

But he had. He stepped out. It was on the far side and.

[B]

He got called for a foul there. I didn't think he fouled him.

[A]

No, he blocked it and it was an unbelievable defensive sequence.

[B]

And he snatched it.

[A]

Yeah. We always say if you can stay one Dribble. Okay, two dribbles.

[B]

Pretty good.

[A]

Three dribbles. Great. He stayed with three dribbles and after he launched toward the basket, brought his hand up and took the ball away.

[B]

Yeah. It was ridiculous.

[A]

Unless there was body contact. We didn't see. It was an absolute elite defensive sequence.

[B]

All right. Can you try to name his number one career comp. Oh, man. I'll give you some hints just because it's. It's kind of. This guy played for a while.

[A]

Patrick Williams's this guy played for a long.

[B]

For I don't know how many seasons did he play?

[A]

Patrick Williams is career top basketball reference.

[B]

He played for 12 years. Could start his career in 09.

[A]

Patrick play a long time too. Oh God. Started in 09.

[B]

Journeyman.

[A]

Is it.

[B]

Played for. Do you want me to tell you.

[A]

How many James Johnson.

[B]

It is not. Do you want me to tell you how many teams?

[A]

Yeah, that's not gonna help me.

[B]

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8.

[A]

Is it a plumly?

[B]

No, it's not a plumlee. I wouldn't have 11 teams in his career.

[A]

11 teams.

[B]

But also just kind of. He would also. He returned to former teams multiple times in his career.

[A]

Did he. Because like Ish Smith was like the multi teams guy but he's not also a forward.

[B]

Yeah, forward.

[A]

Did he ever have a moment in the playoffs? Did he ever have a moment against the Bulls? Like something. Is there anything specifically memorable about him? Did he have a funny hairdo? Did he have. He was bald.

[B]

That helps.

[A]

Bald. Did he have any off court issues? Any interesting romantic relationships?

[B]

Just kind of a guy.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

Anthony Toliver.

[A]

Oh my God. We were here all day. Anthony. That's his number one come number one. Where's he now?

[B]

Retired. Retired for four years.

[A]

Anthony Toliver.

[B]

Right now I just clicked on his Instagram. He's doing. He's investing and doing real estate.

[A]

The Lu All Deng plan.

[B]

He wrote a book. Really?

[A]

Yeah. Was it gay hockey fiction? You can make a lot of money doing that. I mean writing about it. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Anthony Tolliver. Well, that's the showdown. Well done. Nice job. How do you like being in the studio?

[B]

Yeah, it's nice and it's nice in here. The only thing is that I can't believe you didn't tell me there was a golf simulator in this building.

[A]

I didn't know there was a golf simulator on 11. There's a free fully equipped golf simulator on 11.

[B]

Yeah, I'd be coming here every day.

[A]

I didn't know it's not gonna make me any better.

[B]

It might if you actually tried.

[A]

Maybe other clubs, I think. I don't know if you have to bring your own clubs. I never see people hoisting bags of clubs around or, you know, bringing the.

[B]

You know. That's probably why you didn't know, because you. If you would have seen someone. Although now you might see somebody walk in the building with a bag of golf clubs.

[A]

Bader Meinhof.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Being more aware of it.

[B]

Better than walking into the building with Grandma's bag of dildos.

[A]

I do that, though. I keep it in the car in case I want to whip it at somebody's head.

[B]

You took it from Grandma after she passed?

[A]

She willed it to me. She left it for me.

[B]

You weren't at the reading of the jar of. A jar of red sauce?

[A]

Yeah, some of her homemade marinara sauce. And she left me the giant bag of dildos.

[B]

I can't wait till one of my sons talks about Grandma's bags of dildos. We have a great relationship.

[A]

That's gonna do it for organizations win championships. And when we convene next time, we'll figure out who's on the Bulls and who's healthy.

[B]

Give me some Mac McGlung.

[A]

Yeah, give me some more Lachlan Ulbricht. I don't know why he talked like this when he's Australian. I don't even know what accent I'm doing. All right, goodbye.

[B]

Get out of here.

[A]

Organizations win championships. A Chicago Bulls pop podcast with Jason and Dan Bernstein on 312 Sports.