Matas Buzelis and Chicago Bulls playing better BUT the defense needs WORK!

Summary

Podcast Summary: Dan Bernstein Unfiltered – “Matas Buzelis and Chicago Bulls playing better BUT the defense needs WORK!”
Podcast: Organizations Win Championships (OWC), Ep. 124
Hosts: Dan Bernstein and Jason Bernstein | Date: December 23, 2025

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the Chicago Bulls’ recent upswing—three straight wins—but tempers optimism with a candid critique of the team’s defensive struggles. Dan Bernstein and Jason Bernstein dig into why the Bulls’ play has improved offensively yet continues to falter on the defensive side, emphasizing individual accountability, coaching schemes, and broader NBA trends. The discussion is sharp, informed, and laced with characteristic humor and banter.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bulls’ Recent Performance: Progress Amid Defensive Woes

• Three-Game Win Streak
  The Bulls are on a three-game winning run, improving to a 13-15 record and sitting 10th in the Eastern Conference.
  • “Better things have happened for your Chicago Bulls. They've won three games and lost none in the intervening time. Hooray.” — Jason (01:19)
• Key Stats
  Bulls rank 14th in offensive rating and a concerning 25th on defense, with a net rating of -3.4 (20th in the NBA).
  • The recent wins included a home-and-home vs. Cleveland and a wild 152-150 win over Atlanta.

2. Defensive Issues: Lack of Effort & Strategy

• Individual Failings
  The hosts single out players for lackluster defense:
  • “Nobody on the Bulls is playing a lick of defense. With the exception occasionally of Matas Buzelis when he's close to the rim going after the ball.” — Jason (04:15)
  • Josh Giddey: “Appears either incapable or unwilling to assume a defensive stance” (05:14).
  • Buzelis: Now letting his man go by him, “caught whatever Giddey has.”
• Scheme Problems
  • Overreliance on switching screens leaves Vucevic exposed, leading to “mismatches, blowbys, and lobs.”
  • “If they're not gonna fight to get over and around screens, they're not going to be able to stop anyone.” — Jason (06:54)
• Coaching & Discipline
  • Lack of consistent defensive rules beyond mere switching is problematic.
  • “At least have a consistent set of defensive rules other than switch...” — Jason (07:17)
  • Defensive effort and discipline have dropped off compared to earlier in the season.
    • “They were a better defensive team earlier... now that you've won a few in a row, all right, let's reel something in here.” — Jason (17:14)

3. Personnel Evaluations & Lineup Dynamics

• Debated who brings defensive effort (Okoro, Collins) and offensive value (Herder, Giddey).
• “If Vuch is out there, you can't switch... otherwise he's buzzing, boned or the team is boned vicariously through the Vuch bone.” — Dan (08:22)
• Noted that the Bulls need the right personnel—versatile, similarly sized lineups—to execute effective switching defense.

4. Bulls’ Upcoming Schedule & Realistic Outlook

• Upcoming opponents include Atlanta again, then a tough homestand: Philadelphia, Milwaukee, Minnesota, New Orleans, Orlando, Charlotte.
  • “Philly, Milwaukee, Minnesota, the Pelicans on New Year's Eve... So they go 0–3 against the Pelicans.” — Dan (15:24)
• Skepticism that the win streak is sustainable given lingering defensive holes.

5. Notable Player & League Observations

• Wembanyama Praise
  • Both hosts marvel at Victor Wembanyama’s unique talent and rapid on-court impact.
  • “Wembanyama is so damn good at basketball. I didn’t expect him to be this dominant this soon.” — Dan (22:55, 23:17)
• European NBA Expansion Rumor
  • Discussion of NBA and FIBA plans for a permanent, pan-European league, possibly integrating NBA and European clubs in the future (21:10).
    • “The NBA and FIBA are gonna build a new league in Europe... it looks like it's going to be huge.” — Jason (21:10)
• Praise for Amazon Prime NBA Coverage
  • Dan highlights Adam Silver's subtle critique of ESPN and praise for Amazon’s analytics-driven, educational coverage:
    • “He said, ‘I really appreciate how you teach the game.’... You explain to people why things are happening, and I think that's great.” — Dan (28:26)

6. Fun Moments, Side Conversations & Podcast Banter

• Back-and-forth on food terms: “intermezzo,” “amuse bouche,” and “mouth fun.”
• Digressions into Bulls’ TV and radio crews, and play-by-play trivia.
• Anecdotes about fatherhood, childhood nicknames, and life advice, keeping the mood lively and personal.
• Movie talk (e.g., “Seven,” “Moneyball”) and joke riffs (“mega Durant” for Wembanyama).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On Defensive Struggles
  • “Nobody on the Bulls is playing a lick of defense. With the exception occasionally of Matas Buzelis...” — Jason (04:15)
  • “If they're not gonna fight to get over and around screens, they're not going to be able to stop anyone.” — Jason (06:54)
  • “At least have a consistent set of defensive rules other than switch...” — Jason (07:17)
• Vucevic’s Defensive Limitations
  • “If Vuch is out there, you can't switch anything... otherwise he's buzzing, boned or the team is boned vicariously through the Vuch bone.” — Dan (08:22)
• Wembanyama Hype
  • “Wembanyama is so damn good at basketball.” — Dan (22:55)
  • “I didn’t expect him to be this dominant this soon.” — Dan (23:17)
  • “He is a Mega Durant.” — Jason (24:46)
• On NBA Coverage
  • “He said, ‘I really appreciate how you teach the game... You explain to people why things are happening, and I think that's great.’” — Dan (28:26)
• Classic Banter
  • “Lots of fun in my mouth.” — Dan (03:46)
  • “Are you high? No, not anymore.” — Jason & Dan (21:09)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:43 – Show start, setting up Bulls’ recent results and stats
• 04:15 – Defensive effort critique begins; individual players called out
• 06:01 – The problem with switching and Vucevic’s defensive exposure
• 09:00 – Light banter about Kevin Herder, Ersan Ilyasova, and Bulls’ broadcast crews
• 15:07 – Looking ahead to tough upcoming schedule; skepticism about defensive improvements
• 17:02 – Decline in defensive discipline; early-season comparisons
• 21:10 – Intro to NBA’s European league discussions
• 22:55 – Wembanyama discussion; league-wide implications
• 28:16 – Adam Silver’s NBA media critique and praise for Amazon Prime
• 30:50–43:32 – “Showdown” segment: basketball trivia, classic NBA bench scorers, fun contestant interplay

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Conclusion & Takeaways

• The Bulls are showing signs of life on offense but are still haunted by deep systemic problems on defense—a theme the Bernsteins dissect with wit and basketball acumen.
• Player accountability and coaching strategies are repeatedly questioned, and optimism is muted by the team’s poor overall defensive metrics.
• The episode broadens out to league-wide trends, international developments, and classic NBA banter, remaining engaging for casual fans and die-hards alike.

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Transcript

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[Podcast Intro/Outro Voice]

Organizations Win Championships. A Chicago Bulls podcast with Jason and Dan Bernstein on 312 Sports.

[Jason]

Things are so much better.

[Podcast Intro/Outro Voice]

Organizations Win championships.

[Jason]

Wait, something doubled up? Yeah, for some reason. It was on loop. I'm sorry. Let's get. Let's try again.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right.

[Podcast Intro/Outro Voice]

Organizations Win Championships. A Chicago Bulls podcast with Jason and Dan Bernstein on 312 Sports.

[Jason]

Since we last left you on OWC, better things have happened for your Chicago Bulls. They've won three games and lost none in the intervening time. Hooray. This is episode 124 of organizations win Championships. That's what I did.

[Dan Bernstein]

Look at my art.

[Jason]

Thank you. Yes. Lovely. A Chicago Bulls podcast here on 312 sports. And not all is bad.

[Dan Bernstein]

None of defenses.

[Jason]

None of the three games was anything you want to coach off of, especially the last one, which was really quite a thing. I. I enjoyed it because it was a perfect intermezzo.

[Dan Bernstein]

Intermezzo?

[Jason]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Words.

[Jason]

I didn't say antipasto. I said intermezzo.

[Dan Bernstein]

Just the words. Can you just. Can you use something a little bit more comprehensible for the average Joe?

[Jason]

What are you. You're now Mr. Populist, representing.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes, I'm a part of the democracy of the demo.

[Jason]

Cracking. Stop playing around. The Bulls are 13 and 15, 10th in the East. Wow.

[Dan Bernstein]

What's new?

[Jason]

They are 14 to 30 in offensive rating, 25th of 30 in defensive rating with a net of negative 3 4. That puts them 20th of 30. So they have. They've outscored their opponent in the last three games. They had a home and home with the Cleveland Cavaliers, and nothing was really great. The first win was good. Yeah, but they played well. That was a good win. And I thought they actually played some pretty representative basketball. Second one. And the 152 to 150 win at Atlanta. When I say intermezzo, what I mean is, you know, it's the. In music, it would be something sort of in between movements.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Jason]

And in cuisine, it would Be that little bit of sorbet that you would have in between courses as a palate cleanser.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's an amuse bouche, isn't it?

[Jason]

No, an amuse bouche is something to. It's a. It is a fun in your mouth is what that is. It's usually a free thing that's handed to you. A free app. Mini appetizer is an amuse bouche.

[Dan Bernstein]

Lots of fun in my mouth.

[Jason]

It is mouth fun. That's what it is. Right?

[Dan Bernstein]

Is that bouche's mouth and amuse?

[Jason]

Yes, Amuse bouche, mouth fun. It's not the only kind, but that's a very specific kind. But the intermezzo in between all the damn football. I go from the. The Tulane game and the Bears game and all the other football just to have a little bit of basketball. And it was kind of pleasurable because I don't even know if we can.

[Dan Bernstein]

Call the two lane game a game. That was just an ass weapon.

[Jason]

Nobody on the Bulls is playing a lick of defense. With the exception occasionally of modest Bouzelis when he's close to the rim going after the ball.

[Dan Bernstein]

Not even a Coro.

[Jason]

And Isaac Okoro, who is. Plays with a. An effort that is not contagious, unfortunately. And you play.

[Dan Bernstein]

He played pretty well against Atlanta though. Just all around.

[Jason]

No, he's. He can look really good sometimes. And it is. It's hard for me to watch the lack of effort defensively because if we're. Let's start with individually and just allowing a ball handler to get wherever he wants all the time. Josh Giddey appears either incapable or unwilling to assume a defensive stance or both. He can do it on offense. He can get low on offense. I've seen his knees bend. His knees bend.

[Dan Bernstein]

Alert the media.

[Jason]

But. But he. But there isn't any impediment whatsoever unless he is specifically reminded at every point of the game. Try on defense. I've got. I've got three issues here. One is giddy and Boozelis too is caught. Whatever Giddy has where Bouzelis is allowing his man to get right by him.

[Dan Bernstein]

With the ball without do that when vouch is back there.

[Jason]

Well, that. That's problem number two. And that is the switching of screens, the defaulting to switching every ball screen. And you just can't.

[Dan Bernstein]

You get mismatches.

[Jason]

Well. And teams are now running plays to get Vuch involved. They're running plays to either get a mismatch with Vuch's guy and the ball handler, which is simple. Walk it back Go around or they're getting. Getting vouch matched up oddly. So you're either getting a post op opportunity or you're getting the Vuch blowby or the lob. And the Bulls are really susceptible to this. All these Spain pick and roll actions that everybody's running. Am I boring you?

[Dan Bernstein]

Sorry. I also didn't have coffee this morning.

[Jason]

Why not? It's this morning. It's three o'.

[Dan Bernstein]

Clock. Because there was none in the cavi musine.

[Jason]

Why didn't you make coffee?

[Dan Bernstein]

Because I'm lazy.

[Jason]

Unbelievable. You're unbelievable. What time did you wake up?

[Dan Bernstein]

12:30. Idiot. You know, I. I know.

[Jason]

Whatever. It's fine. The if. If they're not gonna fight to get over and around screens, they're not going to be able to stop anyone as they're running.

[Dan Bernstein]

And even then, even if they fight, I don't know if they have enough talent to get over those screens and really make that much of a difference.

[Jason]

Well, at least have a consistent set of defensive rules other than switch, where we always rules here. It's not nom Walter, but somebody is always yelling from the bench. But there are teams that will have either you can, you can blitz, pick and roll, you can go underneath, you can ice pick and roll, which takes a ton of effort.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Or you can just. There's a time and a place to switch. It isn't just something you do. Oh, I'm screened. Take my guy.

[Dan Bernstein]

And I feel like you got to switch when you have a lineup out there that's versatile.

[Jason]

I mean, similarly sized.

[Dan Bernstein]

Exactly. Yeah. I was going to say. And his minutes have kind of gone away a little bit. But if Patrick's out there with Zach Collins, you know, if that's your 4 and 5, Zach Collins, he's big, but he can move a little bit. Even Jalen Smith. Yep. Can move. Can move better than Vuj can. And then Okoro bou zealous. And whatever lineup you want to run. Trey Jones, even giddy out there because he can still switch because he's six, eight.

[Jason]

To accomplish what?

[Dan Bernstein]

Nothing. But I'm saying he's similarly sized. So I, I think that you, in order to play that style of defense, you need to have the right lineup out there. If Vuch is out there, you can't switch anything other. Otherwise. Otherwise he's buzzing. Boned or the team is boned vicariously through the Vuch bone.

[Jason]

No, it's. It's a real problem. And it's one thing if he's giving you 25 and 13 in a game, but he hasn't been close to that lately. And if Collins is getting his minutes and some of Patrick Williams's minutes, which is what it seemed to be, that Collins good. He's a good player. He's a good player. And he does certain shoot too.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's a willing shooter. I wouldn't say he's as good of a shooter as Patrick, but he's a willing shooter.

[Jason]

He is. And in the last game, Giddy looked like he was looking for his shot more often. But this is not a sustainable anything of taking the ball out of the basket and hurrying down the floor. It's not an NBA life for this team. So they've got plenty of talent and getting Herder back really helps them. Yeah, I can't quite quantify exactly what he does that they need. Yeah, but he's active. He's. He's smart, he's tough, he's active.

[Dan Bernstein]

Make shots, he can.

[Jason]

He misses a bunch of shots too.

[Dan Bernstein]

But you, you're way too Erson Ilyasova on him. To those, to those that are like, what the, what the hell does that mean? And he's convinced that he has never seen Arsana Eliasova make a shot to the point where he has never scored a single point in his NBA career. Correct.

[Jason]

It's all lies. It's going to. All those stats are the liberal propaganda. Vast liberal conspiracy.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's what it is. So.

[Jason]

And it goes back to the basement of a. Of a pizza place.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, there are conspiracies about him, about Erson Ilya Sova, that that's not his real name, that he's way older than he says he is.

[Jason]

What's his real name?

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't know.

[Jason]

Rabbi Harold Moskowitz. No, but, but what I was saying.

[Dan Bernstein]

Was he, he said to me the other night, is Kevin Herder my new Ersan Elias? So I said, come on.

[Jason]

No, it just.

[Dan Bernstein]

He feels like Kevin makes a shot.

[Jason]

No, I saw him hit shots in the Atlanta game. I did the only. The, the, the hardest things I have going on.

[Dan Bernstein]

Atlanta? You mean Cleveland?

[Jason]

No, the Atlanta game.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. Cause you hit some against Cleveland.

[Jason]

I just. Those I may have blocked out. The, the, the weird thing I have going on with Bulls games right now is trying to figure out who the play by play guy is.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, it's between Wayne Randazzo, between Adam.

[Jason]

Amin, Wayne Randazzo and Connor Onion Onions. Connor Onions. He's good. Connor Onions. Really good. And I give Stacy credit because I don't think people know how difficult it is.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, he doesn't change or. And he doesn't. He lets the play by play guys have their. Their moments and he still does what he does. And I don't feel like. Stacy.

[Jason]

Stacy. It doesn't matter who it is. Stacy is still pining for two point shots and calling any post up.

[Dan Bernstein]

A simple game, if only if they make it right.

[Jason]

But it's just like they said. Don't take a three. Don't take a three. But then when the. When he hit. When a three is hit. Red velvet.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's good.

[Jason]

Oh, it's always good if a three is hit. But if a three is missed, you don't want to take that three. So I. I get it. But he does a really good job hanging in with whoever he. With whom he's working.

[Dan Bernstein]

He'll.

[Jason]

He only lets Adam Amin sing the nationwide part though, right? Because Adam is a trained professional singer.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, Stacy also likes singing. Right.

[Jason]

But he doesn't let the other. He doesn't let Wayne sing. And I don't think he lets.

[Dan Bernstein]

He wouldn't let me sing after that. Yeah, no, he shouldn't. He shouldn't let. If you tried it, you would think it'd be really good. And then he would say it's terrible.

[Jason]

He'd be wrong. Because I love singing. I don't know. I don't have to be good. I just love.

[Dan Bernstein]

You can love it. You suck.

[Jason]

I don't care. I like it. I walk around and I make up silly songs and that makes me happy.

[Dan Bernstein]

Do you have an example?

[Jason]

I just will see something and make up a song about it.

[Dan Bernstein]

I spy. Let's go. What do you see?

[Jason]

I don't know. I would say, here comes Zoe coming down the stairs.

[Dan Bernstein]

What is she doing?

[Jason]

Where is she going? And then Zoe will look at me. And then mom tells me to stop. That's pretty much how it works.

[Dan Bernstein]

So if any of you out there are wondering what it's like to have Dan Bernstein as a father, well.

[Jason]

What's wrong? Singing is good.

[Dan Bernstein]

What's wrong? You being my dad? Cause you're annoying.

[Jason]

I am annoying.

[Dan Bernstein]

You're incredibly annoying.

[Jason]

I. That. That I will own. There's no question.

[Dan Bernstein]

On purpose, too.

[Jason]

Sometimes, yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

A lot.

[Jason]

Meanwhile, this guy, almost 21 years old. Think about that. This. This little dude.

[Dan Bernstein]

Little?

[Jason]

He was so. You were so little. And now you're not. And then you'll be 21. And then it's all downhill from there.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Then the.

[Jason]

The. The thrill of going out drinking now, now I don't need.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't need the thrill of It Because I go to places that I know will let me in now, however, I just have more places to go to. It's like the more biboos thing. Yeah.

[Jason]

Were you three of them?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, when I. When I was three and I found the extra or the backup. He had stuffed animal that are the backup baby blankets that I had.

[Jason]

It's a stuffed animal with a blanket. It's a head with a blanket attached to it. And he had three of them. We had one. It was called Beboo for blue bear. And we had to get him because you couldn't leave the house without one, otherwise he'd throw a temper tantrum.

[Dan Bernstein]

And so there were two backups and I found them. They thought I would be disappointed, like it's all a lie. But I just thought more.

[Jason]

And you realized it was all a lie?

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, I didn't care.

[Jason]

Right. That's the thing. Whatever. It's just more of it.

[Dan Bernstein]

The greed they talk about in the book Bible or whatever they call it.

[Jason]

Who? What?

[Dan Bernstein]

Never mind.

[Jason]

What greed and what?

[Dan Bernstein]

Like the. Like the. I'm gonna get flamed for this.

[Jason]

What.

[Dan Bernstein]

What are you like gluttony? Like the seven.

[Jason]

The seven deadly sins?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. Greed is one of them.

[Jason]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. That's what I mean.

[Jason]

You ever seen the movie seven?

[Dan Bernstein]

No, I haven't. With Brad Pitt? Yeah.

[Jason]

It's about the seven deadly sins. You've never seen it?

[Dan Bernstein]

No. I feel like I've mentioned it and you didn't. You said it was and you didn't want.

[Jason]

I. I'm not a. It's fine. It's fine. Some people love it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Another Brad Pitt movie is. That's awesome. Money is Moneyball. And they put the Bears comeback with that music.

[Jason]

I know.

[Dan Bernstein]

It was awesome.

[Jason]

I know. I've been watching it.

[Dan Bernstein]

It was pretty awesome.

[Jason]

So the Bulls have the Hawks coming up again. Is this right that they're at Atlanta? Twice they're at Atlanta tonight.

[Dan Bernstein]

I didn't think that.

[Jason]

I guess it is. So they. Then it's homestand.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Then it's a homestand. And it's not great. Philly, Milwaukee, Minnesota, the Pelicans on New Year's Eve. Then the Magic, then the hornets.

[Dan Bernstein]

So they go 0:3 against the Pelicans.

[Jason]

It's possible.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, it's interior.

[Jason]

Absolutely. Entirely possible now. So tonight's game against Atlanta, I will be interested to see. I. It will not be 152 to 50. But they are bad defensively.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, they're terrible. Sorry. It'll be 145 to 140.

[Jason]

Somebody guard Vit Crechi.

[Dan Bernstein]

These Euros, man.

[Jason]

Somebody guard him. They allowed him. And that's the other thing.

[Dan Bernstein]

I mean, he's big, he plays. You don't think that he's. How tall? Six, nine. He, he's, he's nice.

[Jason]

I was going to get to three things regarding the, the, the problems with their defense, and I only got to 2.

[Dan Bernstein]

This is the last one.

[Jason]

The last one is guard this guy. Well, guard the guy you're supposed to guard. Understand who's on the floor and what they're trying to do. I have seen too many out of control closeouts against guys who aren't going to shoot that shot. They're reacting to every kick out rotation as if everybody on the floor is dangerous. From three. You don't want to run certain guys off the three. And every single day. It used to be written on a board and then it used to be, you know, written on a stapled sheaf of paper that would be on your chair in the locker room now, now it is zapped right to your device. You've got an app or you've got an encrypted tablet.

[Dan Bernstein]

Baseball players have those little cards. Yes.

[Jason]

However you get it, just. That's on the player. That's on the player. That, that is, that's not on the coaches because that is done as a basic matter of course for every single.

[Dan Bernstein]

And what's weird is that I feel like although the three point percentage early in the, in the opponent three point percentage early in the year was low, I still feel like they weren't out of control on their closeouts.

[Jason]

No, they were. They were a better defensive team earlier.

[Dan Bernstein]

And I, and I understand that Kobe not being there helps with that, but I was playing and. But Zach Collins wasn't. So like, it kind of offsets in a sense. And it's just, it's just discipline. Maybe they're getting frustrated or something, but now that you've won a few in a row. All right, let's reel something in here. Well, in the sense of, let's not be stupid.

[Jason]

There are certain guys who you are not going to be able to stay in front of for more than a dribble. I get that.

[Dan Bernstein]

Jalen Johnson's one of them.

[Jason]

He's good player. Yeah, he's really good.

[Dan Bernstein]

But the explosive, the concept, he's. He's like if you took John Collins and just made him ten times, not ten times better, but you made John Collins better and younger.

[Jason]

Yeah, that's not bad.

[Dan Bernstein]

Because John, I Feel like John Collins. John Collins was solid, but Jalen Johnson's got a little bit more stuff going on.

[Jason]

It was just better.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't know.

[Jason]

I don't know if that's quite a. Quite a fair comp. But the, the concert didn't get put.

[Dan Bernstein]

In the rim by Anthony Edwards in Utah.

[Jason]

Wasn't John Collins. Wasn't it against the Bulls, where the ball went. Yes, and IO grabs and IO picked it up.

[Dan Bernstein]

And that was. That was. Wasn't that a double? That was also an Atlanta back to back thing because the night before was A.J. griffin. It was hit a game winner.

[Jason]

He's now Griffin's kid. He's now retired. AJ's retired?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, he retired after three years in the league to. For. To pursue like coaching. No, I think it's religious and you just wanted to be a pastor or something, really. Yeah, he's just like, I'm retiring to devote my life to Jesus or something.

[Jason]

Okay. Good luck to him. Make a lot more money playing basketball.

[Dan Bernstein]

I was gonna say a lot more.

[Jason]

Yeah. There's a lot of time for devoting your life to something else when you can.

[Dan Bernstein]

When you're 24. How old is he now? 24. He's young. I remember him with Duke. You're a good player.

[Jason]

Yes. I know you can. You don't even have to be good to make a lot of money in the end.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, he. I mean, if maybe in a couple years he'll maybe make another.

[Jason]

He'll stop devoting his life to the Lord. I don't.

[Dan Bernstein]

Don't hate on others.

[Jason]

I'm not. What did I say that was hateful? I just said, well, money, you know, there's always. You can use those resources toward your end goals as well. Once you're. Once you've made all the money you can make, you can then devote your life to. Yeah. And devote a lot more than just your thesis. Yes. You can devote it to whatever. Whatever you want or. Yes. Or the monolith that rules us all. You've been watching the videos, haven't you?

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm watching some of them, yeah. I feel like I'm the tiggy of this podcast.

[Jason]

No, no, you're not that angry yet. You don't do enough drugs now. People. People don't know the neural biz bit. I don't think I don't have enough holes. Right. I have a problem with drugs. I can't get them in me fast enough because I can't.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. I can't seem to get all the.

[Jason]

Drugs inside of me. I don't have enough holes. Have you heard about the efforts by the NBA and FIBA to form a brand new European league? No, I have not.

[Dan Bernstein]

What is going on? No, I've heard some of it.

[Jason]

Stop being weird. Life is a lie, brother.

[Dan Bernstein]

This is all.

[Jason]

Stop. Skeptic conspiracy theorist. So the NBA? My voice sounds so cool. Burrito, burrito, burrito.

[Dan Bernstein]

Stop.

[Jason]

If you seriously. Are you. Are you here or you not here? Are you high? No, not anymore. Okay, The NBA is in talks with FEBA and other groups. What? I don't know.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm just thinking about Tiggy.

[Jason]

Okay, I need you here right now.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay, fine. Okay.

[Jason]

Seriously, did you take like a bunch of acid?

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right.

[Jason]

Took a bunch of ass crack. The NBA and FIBA are gonna build a new league in Europe and it looks like it's going to be huge. They're. They're going to ownerships of big soccer teams and they want teams in some of the big cities that don't have teams. And I don't know exactly how this is going to work, but apparently rather than the Champions League that they have, they're going to have a European league where if you have membership in one of the national leagues, the Bundesliga, La Liga, etc. You're. You'll be able to be eligible for this one. And it's. It is above and beyond. You don't have to make the choice between your regular national league and this pan European league which they've done with like eurobasket. But this would make it more permanent and it's possible that NBA teams could then play in some way, shape or form in this league. Yeah, that would be the ultimate goal. You could send NBA teams over there and you would have these concurrent things like they're trying to do with the NBA cup, which the Knicks won, by the way. I. I really got that moment.

[Dan Bernstein]

Post game was hilarious.

[Jason]

Which one? Oh, the thumb in the butt.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason]

In case you. Josh Hart didn't know, the camera was on him when Jalen Brunson was accepting the NBA cup and Josh Hart gave him the old Christmas goose and then he was joking about it on. But that's, you know, good for him. I love that game, by the way. I love watching the NBA.

[Dan Bernstein]

And Wembanyama is so damn good at basketball.

[Jason]

He is. He's very good at basketball. Breaking news.

[Dan Bernstein]

I will say this about him. I feel like every week we have a new conversation about him. Just because it's hard not to when somebody's that unique. Right. I didn't expect him to be this good this quickly.

[Jason]

I expected.

[Dan Bernstein]

I expected him to have some moments where it's like, wait, what can this guy do? What can this guy do? I thought he was gonna have a couple, like, bull bowl years and then.

[Jason]

Explode a couple bold bowl gears.

[Dan Bernstein]

Because remember, Bobo would have these moments. I think he would have more than that because I think he's obviously better than that. But I just didn't. Call me crazy. I didn't expect it to be this dominant this soon. But it happens that when you train with Aim Ojuan and become a monk.

[Jason]

He didn't become a monk.

[Dan Bernstein]

Rage bait.

[Jason]

He did. He didn't become a. What's this?

[Dan Bernstein]

L don't touch.

[Jason]

Seriously, you dick. What? Ow. Don't hurt me.

[Dan Bernstein]

I already told you, I just got a vaccine here, so don't punch my arm.

[Jason]

Maybe now I will. Okay, now you have to look out for it, because I might.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, then I'll just give you one of those to the nards.

[Jason]

Please do not.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay, then don't touch me. Ow. Ow. But yeah, he's dominant right away and he pretty good.

[Jason]

Is he just dominant?

[Dan Bernstein]

We. You just so good.

[Jason]

He is playing essentially. I've seen this on a video. He's Kevin Durant on offense during the. I said that he's Mega Durant and you laughed at me. You told me I was wrong. I said he is a Mega Durant after the.

[Dan Bernstein]

After the draft. You said that.

[Jason]

I said it when I saw him in person. When I actually went and watched him warm up and watched.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, I don't think I made fun of you.

[Jason]

Yes, you did. Yes, you did. Because you. Absolutely.

[Dan Bernstein]

That was recently when you saw them. Let me check the receipts.

[Jason]

What receipts? I said he's Mega Durant and you said, no, he's not. He's. That's. That's what he is.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wemby is like mega kd. I didn't say anything.

[Jason]

You said it to my face. You didn't say it via text.

[Dan Bernstein]

I was at school. I couldn't have said it to your face.

[Jason]

You said it later. I know you. You made fun of me for it. I know you did. You did.

[Dan Bernstein]

I love how the text before it is aoro sucks.

[Jason]

Well, he was having a bad day.

[Dan Bernstein]

And then. And then a few texts later, Javante just pants Patrick.

[Jason]

He did. Yeah. That was. That was ugly out there. But your guy Javante hanging in. You're keeping the faith. You keeping the candle burning for Javante playing pretty well. I know, I know. He is, of course, better in Javante.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, he's more talented.

[Jason]

Yes, I know. The video I showed you that explained using math and geometry.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, that was awesome.

[Jason]

It's really cool that Wemby is essentially compared to the average NBA player, not the average person. Where the average NBA player Wemby is playing on a 60 foot long court with 8 foot rims relative to the NBA. Did you see the number of times he touches the ball? More than. Was it 11 and a half?

[Dan Bernstein]

I think it was 12.

[Jason]

12Ft off the ground.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

That's insane. That is insane.

[Dan Bernstein]

Two feet above the rim. A shot being two feet above the rim and he can just kind of go.

[Jason]

It's that or it's a pass or it's like literally in a game. The number of touches that he has that are at 12ft or higher was just absolutely astounding. Absolutely ridiculous. Yeah. Although. And I'll say this too, what they're doing with him and Luke Cornet.

[Dan Bernstein]

Corn man. Shout out Luke Cornett.

[Jason]

Cornett's good.

[Dan Bernstein]

He got good.

[Jason]

Luke Cornette is good. He can shoot it. He runs the floor. He has a former bull. He has a strange looking body, but he got stronger and now he's getting like veteran old chess. He looks, he's. He's just got like that old man thing. And the other guy. Who else Did I tell you? Another guy who I thought was just big white dope who I believe is still leading the NBA in block shots. And he has a. He has two and a half every game and keeps them in play. J. Huff.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Great shot. Block.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wait. He leads the NBA and block.

[Jason]

I think he leads him in an average.

[Dan Bernstein]

Does he get enough minutes?

[Jason]

He doesn't need.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, an average.

[Jason]

I think so.

[Dan Bernstein]

I. I don't.

[Jason]

His total block.

[Dan Bernstein]

I thought you're saying.

[Jason]

I think it's an average. But he's. He's really good too.

[Dan Bernstein]

Total. It's obviously Vic Wemby. Even though he's out for a month, it still probably is.

[Jason]

Yeah, I think, I think that's right. There was another point I was going to make and I couldn't read. It was. It had to do with the NBA and the Euroleague and you brought up something and then I forgot it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, because you started talking about the NBA cup and then I started talking about.

[Jason]

Oh, that's what it was. Thank you. It was Amazon Prime's NBA coverage.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh yeah.

[Jason]

Is really good. And did you hear Adam Silver not saying ESPN but essentially calling out espn?

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Jason]

He did an interview with. With the prime crew and he said I really appreciate how you Teach the game. I really appreciate how this group doesn't just talk about. He said for a long time, all we hear about is how hard they're playing or how much effort and intensity. He said, you explain to people why things are happening, and I think that's great.

[Dan Bernstein]

And that reminds me that. That reminds me of the older ttn, the TNT coverage with. God, I miss it. The. In inside the NBA where Kenny. Where Kenny would go up to the screen and do his little drawings and explain things, kind of like Stacy does when he's a freezer right here. Kind of like that. But to do that on a national level, sometimes people don't want to hear that. Oh, my goodness. Hello. Hair.

[Jason]

My hair.

[Dan Bernstein]

I just looked up. It looks like I got electrocuted.

[Jason]

You look like Beaker from Muppet Show a little bit. Or there's something else going on. I don't know why it's. So. Who was the spurs draft pick that had to wear his hat on the very top of his hair?

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, Lonnie Walker.

[Jason]

Lonnie Walker.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, don't.

[Jason]

Don't talk to.

[Dan Bernstein]

Because that actually has a story.

[Jason]

I know. Yeah, that's right. And he. He went through some things, but that's. Remember when he put that.

[Dan Bernstein]

We can check if a hat was that.

[Jason]

No, that was your hat.

[Dan Bernstein]

I know. Let's see if it goes on top. Okay. So it goes on top. And I can.

[Jason]

Can't go like this champion. Like you guys. You guys won the title on that team. Remember? I did fall ball championship. Don't you remember?

[Dan Bernstein]

In the hell of a logo.

[Jason]

It is. Don't you remember it started raining. It was at Wells Park. It started raining. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

And I got a base hit up the middle to start it. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jason]

Yep.

[Dan Bernstein]

Last time I could ever hit a baseball competently.

[Jason]

Yeah, you gave that up long time ago. All right, let's get.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm un.

[Jason]

Let's get to our showdown because I.

[Dan Bernstein]

Have a good one. All right. Yeah. Okay. All right.

[Jason]

Go with yours first, then.

[Dan Bernstein]

So put your phone away.

[Jason]

I am.

[Dan Bernstein]

So I just want you to name the five players with the most 20 plus minute, zero turnover games since 2010.

[Jason]

20 plus minute, zero turnover games Since 2010.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

It'S pretty hard, but how about Chris Paul?

[Dan Bernstein]

Nope.

[Jason]

Well, I'm trying to think. It could be. If it's somebody who has the ball a lot, there's a higher chance of there being a turnover. Exactly. So it's. Usually stars have turnovers.

[Dan Bernstein]

So I would say two of these guys are, like, not stars at all. One of them. First ballot hall of Famer.

[Jason]

This is hard.

[Dan Bernstein]

And then two other ones are like, have been kind of time All Star guys. But it might be really good players.

[Jason]

It might be somebody who just doesn't get a lot of touches, who was out there for 20 minutes. It was never near a ball, so it could be. I'm gonna say go Bear.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, but that you're. You're in the right bracket.

[Jason]

I'm just trying to. Somebody like that who's a good.

[Dan Bernstein]

You're in the ballpark. Like one dude on here reminds me older, but kind of reminds me a little bit of that. More athletic, but not as good of a shot blocker.

[Jason]

More athletic to go.

[Dan Bernstein]

How barely barely current.

[Jason]

Barely current?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes.

[Jason]

Oh, DeAndre Jordan.

[Dan Bernstein]

DeAndre Jordan. I don't know how you got that off of barely current.

[Jason]

Well, I. It's hard to remember.

[Dan Bernstein]

DeAndre Dorn, since 2010, has had 159 games of 20 point or 20 minutes and zero turnovers.

[Jason]

Well, if you're not. If all your touches are like lob passes or grabbing rebounds. How many did you say there were?

[Dan Bernstein]

159. Oh. Oh, like players.

[Jason]

How many players?

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, I said five. But if you want to do.

[Jason]

No.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. He's fourth.

[Jason]

DeAndre Jordan. This is kind of. How about Jonas Valenciunas?

[Dan Bernstein]

No, but just say his last name properly.

[Jason]

Valenciunas.

[Dan Bernstein]

There you go.

[Jason]

Jonas Valancius.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, good guess, though.

[Jason]

These are the guys I'm trying to think of. How about Isaiah Hartenstein?

[Dan Bernstein]

No, hasn't played long enough since 2010. Right.

[Jason]

So there's the older.

[Dan Bernstein]

So older.

[Jason]

Mostly bigs.

[Dan Bernstein]

They're all bigs.

[Jason]

They're all bigs. Clint Capella.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, but good guess. So I would say so two of them are retired. Of what's remained to them are retired. I believe one, he sometimes just comes back in the middle of the season. Sometimes he's not retired. He was good.

[Jason]

Rance Stevenson.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, not big, but I'm just trying to think it's a guy.

[Jason]

What do you mean? He just shows.

[Dan Bernstein]

And then the other one is still a real. A really good NBA player right now. Not as good as he once was a few years ago, but still really good and has played for a long time. All right.

[Jason]

Because I'm just trying to think since 2010.

[Dan Bernstein]

Like.

[Jason]

Like Joel Prisbilla. No, but is it a Plumley?

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Jason]

Damn it. I thought I could kill three with.

[Dan Bernstein]

One there with a Plumly. So I'll say this. Number one first ballot, hall of Famer, NBA champ. Mvp.

[Jason]

Jokic no. Giannis?

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Jason]

Still playing?

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Jason]

Oh. Oh, geez. Oh, geez. Marriage tired like four, five years ago now.

[Dan Bernstein]

And he's still leading.

[Jason]

Retired five years ago.

[Dan Bernstein]

Something like that. Five. Yeah. A while ago. Maybe even longer than that.

[Jason]

So it's not Duncan.

[Dan Bernstein]

Nope. But that good name to think about there. Like that era of really good players.

[Jason]

That era of really good players in 2010s.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Oh, shoot. Was there a big on Golden Bogut?

[Dan Bernstein]

Nope. His prime was a little before then.

[Jason]

He.

[Dan Bernstein]

He won the MVP in the 2000s.

[Jason]

I. I would have to go through the teams in my head and start going through it.

[Dan Bernstein]

But if I give you the team, I'll give it away.

[Jason]

If you give me the team, it'll give it away. NBA played there his whole career. So it's not like Zidrunus Ilgosis or somebody. Mvp. I'm just trying to think it's like some of these guys who are on some of these teams. It's not Bosch. No.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's.

[Jason]

Give me the team. It would. Dirk.

[Dan Bernstein]

Dirk. Number one. 175 since 2010. You retired so long ago.

[Jason]

Wow. I'm surprised.

[Dan Bernstein]

Because he had the ball.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

But NBA champ, mvp.

[Jason]

Didn't pass much.

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Jason]

All right, who are the others?

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, number two with 169, Marvin Williams from the Hornets.

[Jason]

Jeez. North Carolina.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep. Number three, former Bull, Tristan Thompson. 167 with the Cavs. Wow. And then number five. This makes a lot of sense just because he's played a lot. Brook Lopez.

[Jason]

I'm a little surprised considering how much later in his career he played on the perimeter. Maybe he just shot the whole time. Yeah, but there's still passes.

[Dan Bernstein]

But also. But the thing is that he played a lot of time with the Nets.

[Jason]

Good question.

[Dan Bernstein]

GLAD he got DeAndre, though. But. Yeah. So you got two of them. Was that too hard? Do you want me to tone that back? I don't know.

[Jason]

It's fun as long as it's entertaining. Turn. Okay, sorry. So I have the list here actually of the top 25 all time in bench scoring. So these are people. These are points. So it doesn't mean they came off the bench every time. It just means whether the points they scored as a bench, as a non starter.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Jason]

Who are the top 10 all time in the NBA in bench scoring? There's some great names.

[Dan Bernstein]

Jamal Crawford.

[Jason]

Number two is Jamal Crawford.

[Dan Bernstein]

Lou Williams.

[Jason]

Number one.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wow.

[Jason]

By a mile. Really? Lou Williams is number one. Jamal Crawford is number two. So there's some crossover here with the. The question you did about the non All Stars. Yeah, there are, there, there are some.

[Dan Bernstein]

But I feel like the thing is that Rudy Gay started a ton, so I don't know.

[Jason]

It's not on the. He's on here, right?

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. Oh, wow.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

I think David west started too much.

[Jason]

Yeah, David west isn't on here.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's a real. Monte Ellis. That was the other name I had.

[Jason]

Monte Ellis.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's Gotta be top 25, right?

[Jason]

No.

[Dan Bernstein]

What?

[Jason]

He is not Monte Ellis.

[Dan Bernstein]

I think of him as like a sixth man.

[Jason]

Monte Ellis is not on the list.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay, so Lou Williams.

[Jason]

I know I'm not in the frame, but I'm trying to make sure you can't see my phone.

[Dan Bernstein]

Are there some, like, crazy names on your.

[Jason]

There's some, there's some classic names.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay, so it's not gonna be like Reggie Jackson or something like that?

[Jason]

No, there's, there's, there's some, There are some really in the top 25. There's, there's some fascinating. There's one guy I had to look.

[Dan Bernstein]

Didn't play long enough, right?

[Jason]

No, no.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, this, this just hard. Wow.

[Jason]

There's number three.

[Dan Bernstein]

Tough.

[Jason]

Number three is not the greatest player in his family.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Jason]

There are three NBA players in his family.

[Dan Bernstein]

Michael Thompson.

[Jason]

No, no, that's only, that's only two. That's two NBA players.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, he had a brother, and I thought he had a brother. His brother, but he had another brother. That was. You said three. Oh, Dell Curry.

[Jason]

Dell Curry.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wardell, Think of the wrong splash, brother.

[Jason]

Yeah. Dell Curry is third.

[Dan Bernstein]

That makes sense.

[Jason]

Yeah. And then, then it's a bunch of classics. Like, there's people from.

[Dan Bernstein]

So nobody else from.

[Jason]

There's a current, there's. In the top 10, there is one current player, Jeff Green. No, that's, that's, I think he started too much.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. But I feel like later in his career, he came off the bench a lot and would put up some buckets. Jordan Clarkson.

[Jason]

Yes. Very good. Jordan Clarkson is seventh.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wow.

[Jason]

Here's that. That was. No matter what happened.

[Dan Bernstein]

This is hard.

[Jason]

It is hard.

[Dan Bernstein]

So I, I, I already feel okay about just that.

[Jason]

All right, can I give you the, just the rest of the list of the, this is the all time list of bench scores.

[Dan Bernstein]

Can I try to get one more?

[Jason]

I mean, some of these names you'll hear and you'll be like, oh, yeah, I've heard of that guy. Or oh, yes, there's.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm trying to think of.

[Jason]

And they all make sense.

[Dan Bernstein]

Not like Mookie Blaylock or something. Mahmoud Abdul Rahu.

[Jason]

No starter.

[Dan Bernstein]

Steve Smith was a starter.

[Jason]

There is a Smith, but Not Steve myth. Junior Junior Smith is 13th.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Jason]

All right. So I'm gonna. No, I'm gonna give you the list.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Jason]

I'm gonna give you a list.

[Dan Bernstein]

So DJ Brown. No.

[Jason]

Lou Williams. Jamal Crawford. Dell Curry.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Eddie Johnson.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Is third. You know who he is?

[Dan Bernstein]

Fourth, you mean fourth.

[Jason]

Eddie John went to Illinois. Was a Houston Rocket for a long time. Really good player.

[Dan Bernstein]

Ro.

[Jason]

Ricky Pierce is fifth, who went to Rice. I think you quizzed me on that. Thurl Bailey is 6.1of2thurls I can name.

[Dan Bernstein]

He.

[Jason]

And Thurl Ravenscroft is the other. You know who that is?

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Jason]

You know who Thurl Ravenscroft is?

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't think.

[Jason]

Yeah, you do.

[Dan Bernstein]

From what?

[Jason]

The. The singer slash voice actor. He's Tony the Tiger.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, okay.

[Jason]

He sang. You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch.

[Dan Bernstein]

Got it. All right.

[Jason]

He's. And Andrew.

[Dan Bernstein]

I knew it was the same person. I just didn't know his name. Mouth.

[Jason]

Mr.

[Dan Bernstein]

Mouth.

[Jason]

That's thorough. Ravens.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm too young for that.

[Jason]

Jordan Clarkson, seventh. Manu Ginobili is eight.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, I should have gotten that. That's bad.

[Jason]

The Microwave is ninth. Vinnie Johnson.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Jason]

Who's famous for coming off the bench and scoring.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Kevin McHale, 10th.

[Dan Bernstein]

Really?

[Jason]

Six, man.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep.

[Jason]

Here's a name. No, this is. That'll be nice.

[Dan Bernstein]

I should. Out of the top 10. I. I'm only disappointed that I didn't get manufactured.

[Jason]

11Th is. Is Jason Terry.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Jason]

12Th. Leandro Barbosa.

[Dan Bernstein]

Barbosa is wealth. Yes. He played forever. And. Yeah, he could come off the bench for the warriors and give you a good 13.

[Jason]

13Th is J.R. smith. Kyle Korver is 14th.

[Dan Bernstein]

Surprising guess.

[Jason]

Detlef Shrimp. Dale Ellis on 16th. Patty Mills, 17th.

[Dan Bernstein]

Dale Ellis was ahead of his time.

[Jason]

Yeah, he was. Stroke it. Antoine Carr is 18th. Alec Burks, 19.

[Dan Bernstein]

Really is Antoine Walker up there. Too much of a starter. Right.

[Jason]

Chris Gatling, 20th.

[Dan Bernstein]

Gerald Wallace.

[Jason]

JJ Berea.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. 20th. A long time.

[Jason]

Al Harrington, 22nd.

[Dan Bernstein]

RJ Richard Jefferson.

[Jason]

Ben Gordon, 23rd.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. I think of him as more of a starter, though.

[Jason]

Terence Ross, 24th.

[Dan Bernstein]

Holy crap.

[Jason]

And a guy I had to look up who I didn't even really remember. Ron Anderson, who played 10 years. Ron Anderson was with the. Who was he with?

[Dan Bernstein]

Terrence Ross. Name that. Surprised. Like, not Monta Ellis.

[Jason]

Nope. Not bad, though. Pretty well done. Nice job. That's gonna do it.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm glad I got the top two and I was able to pull Jordan Clarkson out of my head like a rabbit. According to Jason Whitten.

[Jason]

I referenced that today, actually.

[Dan Bernstein]

Like a rabbit out of his head.

[Jason]

Pulling a rabbit out of his head and then eating rim in bean town. Eating rim. You're stealing my bit. That'll do it for OWC. 124 the Bulls. We'll see if when we convene next time with this new game live after I turn 21. I I hope so. I think you'll be fine.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, you hope?

[Jason]

Your son will live and we'll see if the Bulls win streak is still intact. My bet new. But how about no, he's already used it. Cody's already used that for you. Thanks to Cody Delmendo, by the way, for being our producer for this episode. Maddie sucks Stop of Organizations win Championships a Chicago bulls podcast on 312 sports.

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