Remembering Terry Boers

Summary

Dan Bernstein Unfiltered – "Remembering Terry Boers"

Episode Date: January 26, 2026
Host: Dan Bernstein
Guest/Co-Host: Matt Spiegel

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Overview

In this deeply personal and evocative episode, Dan Bernstein and Matt Spiegel reminisce and pay tribute to the late Chicago sports radio legend Terry Boers. The conversation unfolds as both a heartfelt mourning and a celebration of Terry's life, his candid humor, his complex yet approachable nature, and his enduring impact on Chicago sports media. Listeners are treated to poignant stories, laughter through grief, and reflections on friendship, mentorship, and the unique Chicago radio experience.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

Processing the Loss of Terry Boers

• Initial Reaction:
  Dan shares the surreal mix of shock and sadness learning about Terry’s passing, despite knowing he’d been in failing health.
  • “I knew that he was in failing health. I didn't know that there was something that emergent, that pressing, that urgent. And then it just kind of hit like a ton of bricks.” (Dan, 00:08)
• Grieving with the Community:
  Dan and Matt express gratitude for the overwhelming outreach from listeners and fans. Dan is curating memories and emails to present at a future event honoring Terry.
  • “Everything that you've been sending in I'm keeping... and I want to be able to present you as a listener. I want you to have a voice.” (Dan, 00:44)

The Complexity and Joy of Mourning Terry

• Laughing Through Grief:
  Both hosts note the difficulty staying sad because memories of Terry inevitably bring laughter.
  • “You can't think about Terry Boers without laughing or smiling about something. It's impossible. And what a legacy that is.” (Dan, 03:20)
• No Right Way to Grieve:
  Dan reflects on advice from his father, reinforcing that mourning is personal and that “we all have our moments.”
  • “There's no playbook. There's no right way... and every time I think of Terry, I'm laughing about something.” (Dan, 05:25)

Terry’s Legacy in Sports Radio and Beyond

• Honesty, Humor, and Silliness:
  • “Terry being Terry was his magic... just what made him so special and such a sui generis individual. There will never be another quite like that.” (Dan, 01:30)
  • “I was really glad that our first guest on the new 312Sports Podcast Network was Terry. You know, it just seemed like the right thing to do.” (Matt, 10:41)
• Mentor and Friend:
  Both hosts recall Terry’s egoless leadership. He treated everyone—from interns to co-hosts—as equals, fostering an open, collaborative environment on and off air.
  • “He made me feel as a day one executive producer of a show, he made me feel this way as an intern, that I was part of the show, that I wasn't working for Terry. I Wasn't working for Boars and Bernstein.” (Matt, 21:24)
  • “There was never a hierarchy. There's never a pecking order.” (Dan, 23:56)

Classic Memories and Behind-the-Scenes

• Radio Innovations:
  The duo recounts how their show transformed Chicago radio by making everyone—host, producers, board ops—a regular on air, breaking the ‘wall’ between host and staff.
• Insider Stories & Favorite Bits:
  • “When we were in Glendale... the lookout ducks, the Charlie Steiner interview, the lookout ducks... he whispers 'by cracky'... Jason Goff just falls to the ground.” (Dan, 12:38)
  • “Terry had a gift... he could talk to someone face to face, obliterate them... and they walked away with a smile and a laugh and had the best time of their life.” (Matt, 42:03)

Terry’s Characteristics and Values

• Egoless, Yet a Quiet Giant:
  • “He was egoless... a superstar in what we did... yet the greatest self doubter I’ve ever known.” (Matt, 25:44)
  • “He didn't care how he appeared or looked... if you laughed and felt better after that interaction, then Terry, his goal was met.” (Matt, 43:00)
• Strong Moral Compass:
  Terry advocated for fairness, stood up for what was right, and wouldn't hesitate to rebuke injustice or mistreatment.
  • “All of that joy and all of his rock solid moral compass... He never wavered in that stuff. If ever it’s like, oof. I don’t know what to do, because. Yeah, you do. I don’t know what to. Yeah, you do. You know what's right, you know what's wrong.” (Dan, 56:04)
  • [Matt’s story of Terry defending a woman at a restaurant: 60:30–62:07]

Personal Impacts and Contemplating Mortality

• Friendship’s Importance and Transience:
  The passing of Terry prompts Matt and Dan to reflect on time, family, and being present.
  • “He always was where his feet were.” (Matt, 29:16)
• Father Figure and Mentor:
  • “He became a father figure... his disappointment was never umbrella in judgment or anger. It was always umbrella in love.” (Matt, 26:57)
  • “For me, it was a combination, like in, within the industry, I'd say it was... much older brother and goofy uncle.” (Dan, 53:08)

The Tavern Tours and Meeting Listeners

• Connecting with Fans:
  Dan describes their “Who Needs Two Tavern Tour” and how it brought them into hundreds of local bars, putting them face-to-face with listeners across Chicagoland.
  • “We added this up at some point: it was 10 years... over 500 Boars and Bernstein shows were done throughout the Chicagoland area.” (Dan, 31:53)
• Memorable Fan Encounters:
  • “It helped you get to know Terry... Cause he's there. He is. It's Terry and he's sitting in your bar.” (Dan, 32:44)

Writer and Journalist’s Integrity

• Background and Approach:
  Dan details Terry’s serious journalistic training, his deadline writing skill, and his belief in real reporting as a foundation for sports commentary.
  • “Read Terry's book, it's really important to understand his background in journalism... so much of his essence was journalistic and about finding things out and telling you things about the teams that the teams didn’t want you to know.” (Dan, 37:28)

Stories from the Road

• Traveling as Family:
  Tales of Arizona, spring training, late night beers, and Terry’s talent for making strangers instant friends and targets for his jokes.
  • “I was good at always encouraging Terry to interact with strangers just for our own benefit, you know.” (Matt, 50:08)

Legacy and Lasting Influence

• Inside Jokes and Lasting Phrases:
  From odd sound effects to recurring bits (“TB Diddlers,” “High Noon”), much of the duo’s lingo and humor remains in Chicago sports radio.
  • “If you have people saying things the way you said them just because it’s fun to do... If that’s part of your legacy, you're doing something right.” (Dan, 73:05)
• Production Pieces:
  “One of Tani's production pieces with all of Terry's noises... that's the funniest stuff.” (Matt, 73:15)

Terry's Reflections in His Own Words

• [Terry Boers, 78:32]:
  "Working with Dan for as long as I did, I know you figured it must have made me crazier. I, you know, I thought that we meshed pretty damn well together, which is very difficult to do. And we did, and he's terrific... All of that stuff I don't miss now, isn't that weird?... I fought as, as hard as I can fight, and I'm going to keep fighting as hard as I can. But them, no, I miss it all. I miss it all. I miss the people. I miss the whole thing."

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Mourning Terry:
  • "Every time I try to be sad, I can't. Because you can't think about Terry Boers without laughing or smiling about something." (Dan, 03:20)
• On Terry’s Humor:
  • “He could talk to someone face to face, obliterate them, eviscerate them, insult them, and they walked away with a smile and a laugh and had the best time of their life.” (Matt, 42:03)
• On Being Present:
  • “You gotta be where your feet are. And that's what I loved about Terry. Terry always was where his feet were.” (Matt, 29:16)
• On Equality and Collaboration:
  • “There was never a hierarchy. There's never a pecking order.” (Dan, 23:56)
  • “He made me feel ... that I was part of the show, that I wasn't working for Boars and Bernstein. I wasn't working for Terry.” (Matt, 21:24)
• On Journalistic Integrity:
  • “So much of his essence was journalistic and about finding things out and telling you things about the teams that the teams didn't want you to know.” (Dan, 37:28)
• Self-Doubt & Humor:
  • “A superstar ... yet the greatest self-doubter I've ever known.” (Matt, 25:44)
  • "It made him uncomfortable that it mattered." (Matt, 26:10)

Favorite Listener Story

• “I ran into Terry and he called me a stupid fat bastard and it was the best moment of my life, and I laughed my ass off and I'll never forget it.” (Dan quoting listener email, 42:27)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Dan processes the news, thanks fans: 00:08–05:30
• Laughing through tears & personal grief wisdom: 05:30–07:30
• Terry’s radio presence, enduring humor: 07:56–13:00
• Radio show origins, egoless leadership: 21:12–24:54
• Behind-the-scenes camaraderie & road trip stories: 47:06–55:12
• Terry’s moral compass and standing up for what’s right: 56:04–62:07
• Terry's challenges with technology (TV remote stories): 62:38–63:40
• Terry’s lasting impact—production bits, inside jokes: 70:15–74:11
• Terry Boers, interviewed, reflects: 78:32–80:40

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In Terry's Style: How to Remember Him

• Pour out a Jack and Diet.
• Watch some harness racing (YouTube if you can't find it live).
• Tell the truth, make people laugh.
• Be present—be where your feet are.
• Laugh at yourself, include everybody, and show up as your full honest self.

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Closing Thoughts

This episode is less a eulogy and more a true Chicago Irish wake: full of love, stories, and laughter. The hosts’ voices tremble at times, but through every memory and offbeat anecdote, Terry’s unique blend of candor, wit, heart, and decency shines. To long-time listeners and new fans alike, Terry Boers is warmly, honestly, and hilariously immortalized.

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For dedicated fans and newcomers, this episode is an essential listen—not just as a tribute to one man, but as a celebration of what makes Chicago sports media, friendship, and authentic radio so meaningful.

Transcript

[Matt Spiegel]

Dan Bernstein, Unfiltered Unfiltered on 312 Sports.

[Dan Bernstein]

Dan Bernstein, Unfiltered is brought to you in partnership with my bookie. And it's. It's been a difficult weekend and Saturday was a really hard day. We. We found out that Terry Boers died after our shows, shortly after we finished up our pods recording them on Friday. And while it wasn't, I'd say, a shock, it was shocking. I know that sounds a little strange, but I knew that he was in failing health. I didn't know that there was something that emergent, that pressing, that urgent. And then it just kind of hit like a ton of bricks. And this weekend has been a blur in a lot of ways, responding to the avalanche of outpouring of love and sadness that's been coming in via email here via some DMs. I've been trying to get back to everybody and I want you to know as we mourn his loss and grieve his absence, that everything that you've been sending in I'm keeping, I've been keeping all these emails and a lot of what's being said elsewhere and I'm curating it and I want to be able to present you as a listener. I want you to have a voice whenever we get together at. I presume there's gonna be. And there's gonna be some private event, a celebration of his life because there isn't a funeral. So we are gonna, I'm gonna make sure that you're represented there as a longtime listener of Terry's. And there's so many people. I remember saying this after Doug Buffone died. People say, I felt like I knew him. I felt like I knew him. You did, you did, you did, you did. You did know him. It wasn't a bit, it wasn't a character because who could possibly think of a character like that, who could possibly have some long form bit, you know, it's not like an Andy Kaufman thing. Terry being Terry was his magic and it was part of the joy and the complexity and just what made him so special and such a. A sui. Generous individual. There will never be another quite like that. So I'm, I. Thank you. So it's a long way of saying thank you for everything that I've been reading and seeing all weekend, just starting Friday night and through now. And it's, it is not stopped. It's been and to be sort of on the, on the, the vanguard like the front lines of people's. Because this is the contact point. Nothing has been officially set up for you to express things elsewhere. That this and I. And it's wonderful. It's wonderful. And I'm trying to keep everything together and make sure I have all of these kind words and these wonderful memories and have them together. Thank you for the outreach. Thank you for the condolences. It's hard, and Terry makes it hard because I keep saying this, and sort of the essence of this has come down to how difficult it is to mourn Terry appropriately. And usually you say that about somebody because they were a jerk. It's like, well, I guess we gotta find some reason to speak nicely about it. It's not that at all. It's just that every time. Every time I try to be sad, I can't. Because you can't think about Terry Bors without laughing or smiling about something. It's impossible. And what a legacy that is. What an amazing, incredible legacy, that even in death, even when we feel awful about it and trying to have those moments. And it's still the best advice I've ever gotten about mourning and grief. And it was from my dad when his father died. And I was. And I was young, I was 15 or 16, and I didn't know how to deal with it. I wasn't particularly close with my paternal grandfather. And I just remember my dad saying. Because I asked him, I said, are you doing okay? Are you doing okay? I haven't really seen you be emotional about it. And he just said to me, he said, we all have our moments. And I tend to get worried about grieving. Am I doing it right? Am I checking the boxes? Is this how it's supposed to feel? Is this. How is this proper? Am I honoring the person's memory enough? Am I grieving enough? And I keep getting back to when I was 15. And we all have our moments, and that's okay. There's no playbook. There's no right way. There's no one's holding you to a standard in how you grieve. And every time I think of Terry, I'm laughing about something. The dumbest stuff, the silliest things, just the strangest noises or insults or listening to him while he's driving, yelling at people and things, and just spraying words in all directions. And it just. I'm not. Then I feel guilty and I feel bad saying, why should I be laughing? Why should my. I should have a warm heart when I'm trying to grieve and I'm trying to be sad. And the answer is all of it. He's Very difficult to be sad about.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah, I mean, I'm very sad. Sad when I heard the news when we got, you know, word of it on Friday. But it's. I've been the same way, because even though I'm very sad and he's been on my brain pretty much since Friday, you know, I didn't. I didn't. I didn't sleep great Friday night or Saturday night. I was up early, you know, Saturday and Sunday, and just sat in the couch both mornings alone for a while before the house woke up and was just thinking about Terry and. And it is hard to be sad because it is. You know, I'm smiling and I'm laughing and thinking about all the. All the laughters that we had together with Terry and how funny he was. And on the other side of it, too. I'm also relieved for him.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Matt Spiegel]

You know, Yeah, I get that. And I'm sad, but I'm relieved for. I wouldn't say that I'm happy for him, obviously, but I'm relieved because he's no longer struggling and he's no longer in pain, and the guy that he was. And the way that I'll remember Terry, it just. It's hard to see what he was battling all these different illnesses and what he was struggling with for the last several years when we had him on.

[Dan Bernstein]

The pod, and I put that back out there last night, and of course it's still there, the hour plus 70 minutes that we had with him. And in retrospect, had I known at the time, and I knew he wasn't. Everybody's asked me, did you know when you. I didn't know there was anything emergent. I know. And with Terry, it's weird because ever since. When he was 49 years old when we started doing this, and he was always saying, I got this. I got this, buddy. I got this. I gotta go see a doctor about this. And he's always had a million doctors and a million things. For how many years do we make fun of all his ailments?

[Matt Spiegel]

Right?

[Dan Bernstein]

And what did I say? I used to say that Terry was having all of his bodily fluids replaced by synthetic alternatives. When he would be away or doing something or he'd come in 10 minutes late to a show. Ah, they couldn't get me in on time today. I had to see the doctor with a thing. I felt for a while I was just going through his doctors, listening to. Are you sure this doctor knows you're on this medication? And we were coordinating a lot of this stuff to make sure. It was all okay.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah. But that was forever. I just never thought it would get him.

[Dan Bernstein]

You know what I mean?

[Matt Spiegel]

I didn't either.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's like it was just part of his being. It was always something until. Until it just wasn't anymore. And I didn't know when we were talking to him that there was something that emergent. And listening back to it with maybe him knowing more than he was letting on, adds a depth and a significance to it. Also, last night, late. I was struggling to go to sleep too, last night, and I was. I picked his book up again.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah, I did, too.

[Dan Bernstein]

Did you?

[Matt Spiegel]

I did, yeah. I grabbed it on Friday night.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, I just. I felt compelled to just kind of leaf through it.

[Matt Spiegel]

That's what I've been doing all weekend. Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

And it made me feel good that he wrote it all the years, remember? It was like, oh, my book. Someday, my book. And then again, there was another thing like, oh, he's not gonna be a book. He keeps talking about his dumbass book, about this whole thing in his mouth. And he did it and he wrote his memoir. And it's fun and it's real and it's good. And that was nice to have that there. And the other thing, too, about. And I just gotta say, I'm happy you're here, Matt. It's helpful to have people around you who share these feelings. And it is. However, it makes me more appreciative now about this all worked and that I can do this and have this with you. And thanks for being here.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah, of course, man.

[Dan Bernstein]

Thank you. Of course.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah, of course. And, you know, it's. I was really glad that our first guest on, you know, on the new 312Sports Podcast Network was Terry. You know, it just. It seemed like the right thing to do and. And it came relatively quick after we started this. And I'm really glad that that was the first step we took in bringing another voice on to what we'd started back in August.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, and validating his role in it and just being a small part of the universe of people out there who were in large part in sports media and guided by his sensibilities and his silliness and understanding how you can be journalistically trained critic and also silly and understand absurd things and have all of these opinions about sports and always knowing where sports fits and always knowing that your family and your friends are more important. A lot of that is Terry's sensibility of never making it too much about him or the opinion of the day, whatever it was, for the five hours that we would spend on the air screaming about everything and screaming at people. He always, always, always had a rock solid compass when it came to what mattered and why it mattered.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah. And that's the thing about Terry that I'll always think of Terry first, is that he was just a good person. I mean, he was a good person, period. And, you know, over the weekend, too, it's been great to go back through and listen to old sound clips. I've been doing a lot of that and people have been sending me stuff and been coming across some of the stuff my own. And it's just. It's really great to be able to listen and just laugh. Laugh out loud. Be like, oh, yeah, I remember that. Remember that day. I remember that bit. Remember that segment.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. When. Oh, my God, the one from. From Arizona when we were in Glendale. That.

[Matt Spiegel]

The lookout ducks the whole time.

[Dan Bernstein]

Like, all of it. The Charlie Steiner interview. The lookout ducks. The interview with Stoney where he whispers the bicracky on the back end of it. Like there's a beat. And then he said, and Jason Goff just falls to the ground. Felt just. Just literally like eyes rolled back in his head fell down. Like, just. He took his head.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah, it was good.

[Dan Bernstein]

I told Ned again. And that's when the Dodgers were bad. Remember? He's like. And I went to Ned Coletti and I told him Larry Horse said his roster sucks. Larry who?

[Matt Spiegel]

Larry Horse?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Matt Spiegel]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Larry Horse just thinks your roster sucks. Can I also say this, that for the. For the next however long, we're going to have really, really shitty segues into the ad reads.

[Matt Spiegel]

You know, I was thinking about that as we were getting ready to start.

[Dan Bernstein]

And I'm like, there's no way around it. I know there's no way around it. And I'm going to just apologize once, but we absolutely adore our partners. It's just really hard. Just understand that when you're going from. I feel like the Casey Kasem bit about you're taking me from a dead dog to this. So the super bowl is finally here.

[Matt Spiegel]

Terry wouldn't be watching.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, I'm in my backyard, I close the blinds and my bookie is where you turn bets into bankroll. Everybody's watching. You got to take. And it's a one game where props, my thing, matter just as much as the score. And that's why my bookie is for you. The Super. Super bowl prop board is deep, fun to play. They get talked about in Jimmy Kimmel Live every year when the game rolls around. So if you're looking to get in, get in now. It's one account, it's one wallet. Whatever you like to bet, the spread, the second half, the casino, during commercials, and especially these props, it's all there in one place. My bookie AG. Right now, the promo code is DBU. Your first bet's covered up to 500 bucks. And the way it works is if it doesn't hit, you've got a bet back bonus token to run it back. So don't just watch this big game, you make it pay. With my bookie, I've also tried to think about too, the number of times and we've been very lucky to. We always took moments. And this is something that the older, wiser people are always saying, and that is appreciate where you are and never, never miss a reason to celebrate something. Never miss a reason to celebrate something. And for us and for our various shows, when you think about. I was trying to add it all up. We had the one, we had like the. What is the 1500th show.

[Matt Spiegel]

We had a big thing.

[Dan Bernstein]

We had the 10 year anniversary, we had the roast. We had a 15 year celebration. We had Terry's retirement celebration.

[Matt Spiegel]

A toast. A terrier.

[Dan Bernstein]

A toasted Terry. There's been so many opportunities and that feels really good. That feels really good. And as we've gotten older, I never missed a chance to tell him I love him. We would text all the time and it was always, I love you. I love you too. And there's no sort of regrets. There's nothing. I wish I had said this or I wish I had expressed this. I don't have any of that because we had so much time together and so much time. And there were because of health scares too, that. And I'm not gonna say put things in perspective. Cause that's shallow and cheesy. But when things get real, we've always been good about dealing with things that are real. Whether it's on the show, off the show, when things meant a lot, tragedies in his life. When we were there for each other and we always said it and we always gave each other big hugs and big smooches.

[Matt Spiegel]

And.

[Dan Bernstein]

It isn't one of these situations where I say, boy, you know, I wish we'd really said this and said that to each other. That the. That was always shared openly. And he was, as he got older, he was just so great about that with everybody in his life. And to have the number of children and grandchildren and all of his wonderful, happy and successful Kids and grandkids. What a legacy, really.

[Matt Spiegel]

You know, I've been thinking about it, obviously all weekend long, and it's interesting. It finally, I got some clarity on it yesterday morning, sitting there again before the house wakes up, reading through everyone's thoughts and, and, you know, guys that we worked with at the score and hearing things on, on the radio. My, my beginning in my relationship with Terry was, was different than everyone else's in the fact that, dude, I, I, I know. I've never, I've never talked about this. I didn't listen to the score. I wasn't a sports talk radio guy. You know, the score started in 92. I was 19 years old. That was at, you know, I was getting ready that was right for, you know, Bull. I was knee deep in Bulls and Michael Jordan stuff. Living Breathe and Dying by Michael Jordan, the Bulls. And I never listened to the score. Now my older brother did. And so I was, I was familiar with the score. Obviously I was here in Chicago and if I ever did turn it on, it was always like, I heard Tom share and Jim Memelo, you know, and I remember the Bull and the Bear, but I didn't listen to Monsters of the Midday and I didn't listen to the Heavy Fuel Crew. You know, I didn't know who Mike Murphy was until my internship started. You know, I didn't know any of the segments. I didn't know any of this stuff. Like when I got to the score in 2001, Dan McNeil was part of Matt Kirk O'. Harry. He wasn't a score guy. He wasn't. I didn't walk in thinking, wow, this is where the Heavy Fuel Crew is. I didn't know that. You know, I was at Illinois Media School and they said part of the, part of the program was they guarantee you an internship in Chicago. And I said, great. And then when I, when I went to ims, I went there because I wanted to go on ESPN and be a Sports center update anchor. Like, I thought that would be the coolest thing to do. And I thought my sarcasm and my wit would be like, I would fit in with that. I would love, that would be great. That was my goal. And then I'm at ims, and then radio was like. And I did some radio in college and high school, but it was all fun. It was with other people who had a direction and a goal with it. And I was just a guy, you know, sitting in. And so then radio became a thing for me at ims. And then, but everything I was doing Was like, gearing towards. And this is. You know, you're going to laugh. Like, I was listening to US 99 and country music and, you know, Big John Howell and Ramblin Red Rectum. Those were my guys.

[Dan Bernstein]

You know, Terry Ism.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's not Big John Howell. That's Captain John Crackpick.

[Matt Spiegel]

Captain John Crackpick. Correct. Yeah. So I was like, gearing towards. I wanted to do, like, boarding drive on a country station. And it was like, oh, hey, you got to start this internship. And we got you at the score. I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, I know the score. So I go. And so I walked in, and when I was. I'm interning for Murph and Fred and then you and Terry. And these were just four guys that. All right, Murph and Fred and Dan and Terry. Okay, cool. I didn't know Terry Bohr's the writer. It wasn't until after the fact that I went back and pulled out of storage all the sun times I've kept because of the bulls. And I was like, wow, okay, there's Terry.

[Dan Bernstein]

He was the beat guy.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yes, there's Terry. Oh, hey, that's Terry. He was never Terry of Heavy Fuel crew. And he was never interesting. He was never Terry of, you know, the sports writer. He was just Terry at first. And then he became my friend and a guy. I work on his radio show. And so that's where it all started. I didn't walk into it with, oh, my God, I'm walking the hallowed halls of the score. And this is what I grew up with, like, a lot of guys did who ended up working there. For me, you guys were just guys. It's so funny. And I was part of your radio show. And then when I got to become the executive producer in 03, then it became. It became my show, and I was part of the show, you know, and. And you guys just became friends. You were friends of mine that I worked with. It wasn't, you know, he wasn't part of the Heavy Fuel crew, and he.

[Dan Bernstein]

Never made you feel like it, and he never made you feel like you weren't properly paying fealty to his fame and greatness. So many in our business might do.

[Matt Spiegel]

Because that's the thing about. About Terry being egoless.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep.

[Matt Spiegel]

Is. And I said this when we had him on the pod. He made me feel as a day one executive producer of a show, he made me feel this way as an intern, that I was part of the show, that I wasn't working for Terry. I Wasn't working for Boars and Bernstein.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, how about when he. When he and I were put together, when they mixed everything around. And I was. I had done just a couple of months on the evening show and for Murph. And I think they were afraid of losing me to a competitor at that time if I didn't get some sort of. Of opportunity to be a full time host.

[Matt Spiegel]

Because that was like four years into your time there.

[Dan Bernstein]

It started in 95 and 99. Yeah, right around 99. It was that. The early spring. It was the spring when I took over in the evenings.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah. Then August of 99, BNB was formed.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep. And it was originally going to be Boars and Burnsey. We were out in the back behind the. The station in the parking lot in the back. And Ron's like, let me talk to you guys. Ron Gleason?

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

He said he wanted to be Bors and. And Burnsy because it makes you. It's easier for the listeners and it should be more familiar.

[Matt Spiegel]

Sounds less Jewish.

[Dan Bernstein]

Exactly. Exactly. Thanks. Thanks, Gleason. That's my guy. I'm making fun. I. I love Ron Gleason.

[Matt Spiegel]

We're gonna change your name to Smith. It's gonna be Bors and Smith.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep. Like, well. And I said, no, I'd really. I'd really prefer to not be my name.

[Matt Spiegel]

I prefer my last name.

[Dan Bernstein]

Important to me. It was sort of like I fought for it to be. When it was. It was going to be Bernstein and Layla or Dan and Layla.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

And I was like, that is not happening. I said, there's no way. And I. I went back to exactly how I felt in that moment. I remember calling Layla. I'm like, this is no way. I said, I am not doing a show where you're infantilized like that. Absolutely not. We're not doing this. Cause I remember what Terry did. And I tried to pay it forward in that moment in large part because of what Terry's like, no, that's stupid. Everybody knows what his name is. And then Ron's like, remember, this is Terry's show. Terry's the guy. It's really about him. And Terry's like, no, it's not. It's a show. We're gonna sit down and we're gonna do a show. Stop saying that, Ron. And there was never a hierarchy. There's never a pecking order. I wasn't there to. And he made that really clear. It's like, I don't want that. I don't want to do that. Let's Just sit down and do a show. And that was sort of our guiding premise. Let's sit down and do a show.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah. And then that carried over to the production staff where you guys really changed what you got. I mean you changed the landscape of radio, of talk radio in that regard. Because I remember my first day as the ep and this obviously came from Terry through you. And it was, it was. There's a microphone in front of you for a reason. You know, we're in the production side of the studio and there's microphones in front of the board op with Scott share at first, then Jason, then, then Tanny and there's one in front of me. And you don't forget J.

[Dan Bernstein]

Hood.

[Matt Spiegel]

Well, I mean, I'd like my time. Yeah, my time. But yeah, as an intern, I sat next to J. Hood and, and, and he, it was like, oh, okay, this is like a three man show. I mean he had, you know, his, his hell McCray thing was I was the funniest. That was the funniest shit. I used to sit there.

[Dan Bernstein]

J. Hood helped set the, the comedic tone without question, 100 question, 100%.

[Matt Spiegel]

And you know, and it, it's, I, I hated that he left, but I'm so happy for his career as he's growing. And, and I love listening to him today still. But, but yeah, I just met in my time there with you guys and you said there's a reason there's a microphone in front of you, so use it like. Okay. And at our peak with it, like me, you, Terry and Jason, it was like there was four guys doing a show, but it was the Boys and Bernstein show, but you guys made us part of the show on the regular. And it was like. And again, that just goes to Terry's, Terry's being egoless and not want, you know, it was really interesting. He's, he's a really complicated, simple guy, you know, because he was egoless. He was a super. He was a superstar in what we did in this industry. A founding voice of sports talk radio, yet the greatest self doubter I've ever known. For the most successful. For one of the most successful people I've ever known. Yes, he was the greatest self doubter.

[Dan Bernstein]

Ah, they're gonna fire me.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah, no one's listening. It's just.

[Dan Bernstein]

They're gonna fires what I have to say, buddy, none of this stuff matters. Yeah, but, but he knew it did.

[Matt Spiegel]

He knew.

[Dan Bernstein]

Of course he knew it did.

[Matt Spiegel]

I know he knew it did, but he, he didn't, he didn't look at himself that way. You know, it made him uncomfortable. That it mattered. Yes, very much.

[Dan Bernstein]

A lot of ways.

[Matt Spiegel]

So he was very complex that way. And what I loved about him. And so our relationship was just. Was just driven out of friendship and not. Oh, my God, it's Terry Bors, you know, And I was just Matt. He was just Terry. And over the years, it developed and grew. Very close relationship. He became a father figure.

[Dan Bernstein]

I was gonna say, the age for you guys is just right.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah, I mean, he was.

[Dan Bernstein]

Terry was.

[Matt Spiegel]

He was in his young 20s when I was born. You know, I was 28. He was 51 when I started with you guys. You know, when I. When I met. When I met him in 2001, he.

[Dan Bernstein]

Was 49 when we started. Think about that. He was. He was 49.

[Matt Spiegel]

And so our. As our relationship grew, I was 30.

[Dan Bernstein]

God.

[Matt Spiegel]

And it became like a father figure. You know, There were times where, you know, we sat down and had some hard conversations where he was disappointed in me, you know, and his disappointment was. It was. It was never umbrella in judgment or anger. It was always umbrella in love. And even though he may have been disappointed with things, there was always an outstretched hand saying, I'm here to help, too, you know, and that's what Terry was, and that's what he became to me, you know, which is why we got really close and we really opened up to each other quite a bit. And it was very, very, very valuable to me that. That relationship, because I. I didn't have those great relationships with. With older men in my life. Like, I wouldn't. You know, my dad's a great guy, and, you know, and he. He did. He did all the best he could. And it's. You know, I just wasn't super close to my dad, and I was. I had. I had that closeness with Terry, you know, and it was great. So that's how our. Our relationship formed. And the other. The other half is too Dan. And we did. We just mentioned age. So when I met Terry, I was 28 and interning for you guys. He was 51. That's two years younger than I am now, you know, and that seems like yesterday, but also forever ago, which helped. Which. Which again now this weekend has helped me stare my own mortality again in the face. Yeah, because it seems like yesterday, but it went. It's been so quick, and it gets faster that he was 51 and passed away at 75. And while it seems like it was such a long period of time for us to be together, it. It went by like that. And I haven't been able to not think about that this weekend as well, too. That, hey, I'm. I'm just two years older than Terry was when I first met him, you know, And I think about my kids and my wife and all the time that I want to have. And it's weird. As I was going through the weekend and this has been constantly on my brain. I'm driving yesterday. Listen to Westwood One's pregame, and I heard Patrick Certain of the Broncos, and he said something that. We've all said this in different ways. And I love the way he said it about being present and being in the moment. He said, you got to be where your feet are. And I fucking love that phrase. Gotta be where your feet are. And that's what I loved about Terry. Terry always was where his feet were.

[Dan Bernstein]

Those giant duck feet.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yes. You know, and he's a guy that was. He could be the biggest personality in the room, yet the most genuine, kind person in the room with the most sympathetic ear and would listen more than. He could talk, but could talk like no other. But he was always there for other people first.

[Dan Bernstein]

Always there. And where many of us are busy poking at our phones or looking at our devices or very much somewhere other than where we're actually sitting. Terry couldn't do that because he couldn't operate any of his devices. I know, Miska, fix my thing. Come over. I don't know. I can't make it work. Come over here, Miska, help me out. And his ability to. Whether it was in the middle of a show and also something I want to talk about, too, that's really important that I think for him and for people who know him was the who needs to tavern tour in that way. And hold that thought for one sec because I'm telling you, there's no good way to do this. I'm trying. There's no good way to do it. And Russ would understand. Russ Armstrong knows. Believe me, he gets it. Russ is the owner of Chicago Window Guys. And it's so cold. And you go upstairs or you go in the basement. Why is it so cold here? Well, it could be because your windows suck. Get new windows. Get good windows. We built this house 20 years ago. We thought these were state of the art windows. And Russ is like. Now Russ has been in various waves putting new windows in our house because Chicago Window Guys have the best stuff and the best people doing it. No subcontracted labor. It's his crew. Same people working on my house are going to work on Your house, Russ will also match any price. So you don't fall for these. Buy one, get one free sales gimmicks. Call him 847-302-9171. Check out his five star reviews at ChicagoNowdownGuys.com don't wait. Russ will come out. He'll explain these windows to you. He explained them to me in a way that I just like, look, Russ, I don't know anything about windows. I trust you. And he's like, yeah, I got it. Don't worry about it. His factory is here in Chicago. He custom makes everything for your home. 847-302-9171. The who Needs Two Tavern Tour. We added this up at some point. It was 10 years. It was something like 35 at least per year. Maybe 40 per year. And then we added up all the other remotes that we did. So I think over, over 500 boars and Bernstein shows were done throughout the Chicagoland area.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah, easy.

[Dan Bernstein]

Over 500.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

And it took us from God knows from, from Kenosha to Ottawa to Crystal Lake to Sherriville, Indiana. If you just made a map and just started putting pins in that map, you would see us in at your corner bar. We were there in whether it's Johnsburg or any just so many of these far flung, where are we? How do we get here? And it was, it was before we had Google maps. I had to write out turn, turn left at sign that says live bait.

[Matt Spiegel]

I used to print stuff out at the station.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. So we could get to all these various places. I got so many vivid memories of being out and what it did to see people and shake hands and just be out and around. And sometimes there'd be two people there and sometimes there'd be a hundred people there and sometimes there'd be in Kankakee these blue haired old ladies that got angry at Terry and left and left us all alone sitting in there. And then he made fun of them for the remainder of the show. And I think that that helped you get to know Terry. That helped you. Cause he's there. He is. It's Terry and he's sitting in your bar. Yeah, that, that opportunity and that sort of thing, the being out beyond the microphone. You guys hide behind microphones. No radio show in the history of this city or maybe any other city was less behind microphones and in a studio than Boris and Bernstein was. And I do think that him being out there and being among the folks for everybody, it's good. But he just always a smile And a laugh and an insult. And his ability to work a room, even during commercials and messing with people. I've been telling so many stories. There's so much that I really want to get to here. But when you talked about how you knew Terry and what you did and what you didn't know about him when you met him, we were always a Tribune family. Well, we were at Chicago Daily News back in the day. My dad would come home from work and open his briefcase, and he would set his handkerchief down at his desk and take his pocket change and his nail clipper and always set it there. And I would run up as a kid, I would always run up when he would take the same train home and the workday ended and he'd open his briefcase and he would hand me the sports section from the Chicago Daily News, and I would read that. Then over the years, the Tribune would come and I'd read Bernie Lincecum. And I was a big fan of Bernie Lincecum's columns. I just loved his turning of phrases and how literary his stuff was, and literate. And when I didn't really know Terry's writing that well because I was in college when he was doing a lot of his. The heyday of his columns, and we just weren't a Sun Times house, so I'd see him on a sports channel or something like that. Oh, that's the Sun Times guy. And it wasn't until I started this summer, I interned at Channel 2, where every. I would come in and every lunch, and there was a fresh Terry Bohr's column in the Sun Times. I would save it for lunch, and I would take my lunch break and I would go across the street on McClurg Court to that McDonald's. And every day I would get a large fry and a Quarter Pounder with cheese. And my favorite thing was to read a Terry Bors column. Because I'm like, this guy's smart and silly, and I love the dad joke puns in there that he would throw around unapologetically, but always had a rationale for strong opinions and always backed it up. And I just had. There was so much joy and understanding of when to be serious and when not to be serious. And then when he started on the score when I was in Rockford, and It was originally McNeil and Hanley in the afternoons, and I listened to it. I liked it. But then when Terry was on, he sort of split time with Hanley.

[Matt Spiegel]

Wait, I didn't know that.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, McNeil and Hann Lee do. Do do do, do, do, do, do. There was an Addams family theme. Okay. McNeil and Hannally. And then Terry would sit in every once in a while. And then Terry took more time, more time, more time. And then it became the Heavy Fuel crew. And when he was on, I'm just like, oh, this. This is it, right? Just like I like, he. This guy gets it. And it was. It was funny and critical and silly and ridiculous. And the way he. He'd BRINGING Break the fourth wall and the way he would make fun of things that were going on behind the scenes and nothing was sacred and they weren't trying to. And that's why I listen to Murph. I'm like, why is this guy doing the whole theater of radio thing? It's like, let everybody in a little bit. It's just. You're not fooling anybody. Just make fun of everything. It's okay. And Terry did that. And I just love listening. And then when things kind of got started and Greenie left and I applied for the job, and I still was kind of awed to, like, this is. That's. That's Terry.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

You know, that guy was. I listened every single afternoon, and everything happened so quickly that now it seems like the difference between 92 and 95. That was an eternity to me. Oh, I bet those three years at that time was an eternity. And the score just was taken off like a rocket ship at that point. And then to be able to be a part of it that early in its development because of him and be around him also. This is really important, that there's a lot of people. The way the industry has changed, the way the business has changed, the idea of being hot take and saying, I'm a guy with sports opinions, and you want to hear my opinions on sports. And there are people who have been very successful just giving opinions on sports. When you read Terry's book, it's really important to understand his background in journalism and how critical it was for him to be trained journalist. Knowing how to report news, knowing how to report. And he never, ever, ever, even when. Songs so much of his essence was journalistic and about finding things out and telling you things about the teams that the teams didn't want you to know and that athletes didn't want you to know. That George Orwell, quote, journalism is telling stories that the subjects don't want out there. All else is public relations. And Terry was keenly attuned to that, keenly attuned to that and always understood what it meant. And then when he Became a columnist, became an NBA columnist. It helped my friendship with him because I was a basketball guy, and I was coming from. Not just covering four years of those Duke teams and being in the press rooms in the ACC with Jim Valvano and Dean Smith and Bobby Kremens and all these guys, and the. Obviously being around Krzyzewski most days, that coming into that to then cover the Bulls. And it was a time when Terry had been on the Bulls beat. That was his first beat, was covering the Bulls at Angel Guardian and then graduating to the columns. And it's when all the columnists and all the radio guys came from the NBA beat. They all came up the same way. All those guys. Dan Barrero and was it, you know, Phil Jasner, who. These. These guys. The best opinion guys were NBA guys because the nature of the game, the sport, the league, the coaches, the talking, the hotel bars, everything. And it lent itself to guys who could tell. Tell stories and insult each other in a way. And it was. There was sort of an urbane sense of sports that came out of the NBA. And it helped Terry really find his voice in a lot of ways as a critic. Even though we covered the Bears really hard, I kind of got where he was coming from, and we shared a lot of old stories when it came to the Bulls and the NBA and basketball. So hearing revisiting some of this stuff and just hearing how he cut his teeth on the beat, and it was tough to top him on the beat. He was really good at it, and he could write on deadline. I hope people understand what a great deadline writer he was. You talk to old son timesman, talk about those desks and what he used to do on deadline, hard deadline on that little. That awful Tandy Radio Shack first word processor that he'd bang out stories and get it right, and then on the desk, he'd rewrite everybody else's stories.

[Matt Spiegel]

I was just gonna say that I used to love hearing his stor. Stories that weren't on the air about all the rewrites and the work in that. In that newsroom that took place. And I mean, this is the way he would talk about things. You know, it was just. It was great.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, he used to work the phones, too. Like back in the day, before the Internet, people would call sports desks to get scores, and random people just re. And.

[Matt Spiegel]

And like, caller in.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right. But you would. You'd answer the phones and it would be random. Hey, do you know what? And. And it was. One of my jobs at Channel 2 was to do that Terry did it at the Sun Times. I used to do it at WTVD in Raleigh, Durham as well. Who won Race Rockingham, who wanted Darlington. And you dealt with that. That's what you did.

[Matt Spiegel]

I did have the score.

[Dan Bernstein]

Sometimes I'd put him on the air and Terry apparently was just he. People couldn't wait for Terry to pick up a phone because anybody sitting around him knew it had the potential to be absolute gold.

[Matt Spiegel]

So I was going to say that too, when you were talking about the Tavern tours. Terry had a gift that I was so jealous of. He could talk to someone face to face, obliterate them.

[Dan Bernstein]

Absolutely.

[Matt Spiegel]

Eviscerate them, insult them, and they walked away with a smile and a laugh and had the best time of their life. And yet they just got roasted for like three minutes.

[Dan Bernstein]

I know there's so much of that that's coming into these emails where people are saying, yeah, I ran into Terry and he called me a stupid fat bastard and it was the best moment.

[Matt Spiegel]

Of my life and I laughed my ass off and I'll never forget it. And he had that ability because he was just, he was a kind, even in. I know, and. But it wasn't mean spirited, though. It was all in humor and, and good times and because he could do that, because he could laugh at himself and genuinely, genuinely laugh at himself and. And that's what goes back to not having the ego. He didn't care how he appeared or looked.

[Dan Bernstein]

I told this story the other day.

[Matt Spiegel]

If you, if you laughed and felt better after that interaction, then Terry, his goal was met.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep, it was. It was. I mentioned this when. And I'm getting them all confused, the conversations I've had with people writing obits and stuff. But he. I think this is Jeff Agrest. I was telling this too, where I ran into somebody years later, a guy who was an associate sports information director at Duke who I knew just I was graduating and I saw him years later and I mentioned that he's like, oh, you're in Chicago now. Yeah, I saw your name, you're on the air, you're doing stuff in Chicago. That's great. And I said, yeah, I'm working with Terry Boers. And he just stopped. And he looked at me, goes, you work with Terry Bors? And I said, yeah. So then he told me, he goes, oh, man. Because I was a student assistant in the SID department at Indiana in the 80s. And he said, anytime Illinois played Indiana in Bloomington, he said, I would always go out of my way to make sure I was the Sid Assistant. This is this guy Mike talking. And Mike said, I just wanted to be the person in the press room when Terry arrived. He said I would take whatever job. He said I would go back there, be like, gee, I want to make sure everything's okay in the press room. Because he said there was nothing like it. Yeah, it was. First of all, it was Terry coming to cover Bobby Knight, which was always a thing, because Guy just. I mean, you know how much he hated Bobby Knight. We had him on when Bobby Knight died just so he could piss on his grave. It was fantastic. It was great. I'm so glad we did that. I'm so glad he outlived Bobby Knight that he was actually able at night died to actually go on the score and say horrible things about him. It was fantastic. So anyway, he said Terry would arrive. This is before sports radio in Chicago existed, and the doors would fly open. Hey, buddy. Hey, buddy. Oh, there you go. You don't fart in a rain barrel. And he had a word for everybody. He knew everybody. And everybody would sit back in their chairs, put their pens down, and set their pads of paper down to their tape recorders. And Terry would walk the room.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah, oh, look at this.

[Dan Bernstein]

Look at this over here. And he had a thing for everyone. And this kid at the time, that was the greatest show on earth. Was Terry arriving in the press room. And we got to see it later in the airport.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

We'd get to the gate and he would say it to us, but Terry would work. We'd go around the room and have comments about everybody sitting there. Everybody. I love traveling with him.

[Matt Spiegel]

It was always brilliant and just quick and funny. Yeah. I liked being around him, you know, that was it. Like. You know, it's weird. There was never a time where I was like, oh, God, I gotta be around Terry today or I gotta see Terry.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, that was. You reserved that.

[Matt Spiegel]

Oh, yeah, for you, 100%. But, you know, that's. I mean, that's just not exclusively for you, you know, but. But Terry, like, outside of my wife, like, I've never. I've never been like, man, I gotta see Terry today.

[Dan Bernstein]

It was. You're always like, terry, yeah. When he would arrive all the time. It's like when he come walking down.

[Matt Spiegel]

The hall and, you know, and he could have had the most miserable time before he got in your presence, but you would have never known that. You know what I mean? Like, he just. He. Every interaction was always a positive interaction. He always just had a smile on your face. I always looked forward to Being around Terry, and it doesn't matter what the circumstance was or the event, I always liked being around Terry. Like, I try working with you.

[Dan Bernstein]

I mean, you know how it is. Like, when I'd say, like, people. Other people go to a job, I'm not. We still don't have jobs. But the idea of, what are you gonna do today? Well, I'm. For five hours, I'm gonna laugh with Terry Bors.

[Matt Spiegel]

Right? And that's. That's what I.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's my job. Right?

[Matt Spiegel]

And I. But. And I think. I think we all had that, too.

[Dan Bernstein]

For.

[Matt Spiegel]

You know, 14 years. Almost 14 years together. It was like, what are you doing today? Well, yeah, I go and I sit next to Jason Goff, and I listened to Dan and Terry do a radio show. And then we all just fuck around together. And then it was like, oh, yeah, I sit next to Tannehill and I listen to Dan and Terry do a radio show. Like, how lucky was I?

[Dan Bernstein]

How about the Super Bowls, man? Everybody do a radio show. Then we go have a big dinner and then go drinking, right?

[Matt Spiegel]

And then we have another dinner. Because I have to eat out with you because I need to have two dinners.

[Dan Bernstein]

There's the Bernstein dinner.

[Matt Spiegel]

But, like, not even just the super bowl, but even.

[Dan Bernstein]

And that.

[Matt Spiegel]

That was. Those were the highlights, though. But any road trip that we had and just being together, you know, and this. And like, this is like, you know, because, like, okay, my wife. My wife, she travels for work, and it's like, oh, I got a work trip this week. I gotta. I gotta go away for work, you know? And that's everybody I know. Like, no one's like, oh, my God, I gotta. You know, us. It was like. It was like a fucking vacation. It was like, oh, my God, I get to go to Arizona for the next, you know, four days with my guys. For what? Oh, it's a work trip.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, it's.

[Matt Spiegel]

What are you guys doing? Oh, we're gonna go sit at Tucson Electric Field and make fun of spring. Spring training baseball.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's 75 degrees, and we're sitting at a baseball field counting down the minutes.

[Matt Spiegel]

Of the first beer and, like, the first dinner. Yep. You know, and then. Yeah. And then when we were able to expand and, like, Jason got to travel with us, because it was. At first.

[Terry Boers]

It was.

[Matt Spiegel]

At the start, it was me, you, and Terry. And then Jason got to go, you know, and it was like, I'm. I'm going on a trip with my best friends. Like, this is. This is fucking great. And I'm not paying a thing for it. I make these two old fuckers pay for dinners, too, you know, it was. It was great.

[Dan Bernstein]

Not that Waffle House costs all that much.

[Matt Spiegel]

I know, but still. Yeah, but I mean, it was like. Yeah, the road trips were just the best. One Arizona trip. I remember before we went to dinner, I went and got a bunch of Coors Light. And I don't know if you were with us or you might have been working out maybe. And we just sat in Terry's room for like, two hours, the first, like, couple hours before dinner, and filled up the sink in his. In his bathroom.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, I was. I think I was. Yeah, you were working out.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah. And me, Jason and Terry, we just. We filled up the sink with ice and just put cores in there. And you take one out, you put a new, you know, a new one in. Take one out, put a new one in. And we just sat there and just drank beers in his room and just talked and laughed. All we did was laugh, laugh and talk. And then I was good at always encouraging Terry to interact with strangers just for our own benefit, you know.

[Dan Bernstein]

Hey, Terry, go, go, go see what that guy's up to.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah, Terry, what do you think of that guy right there? You know, they'll have something. And then if he had a couple drinks in him, he might have been loud enough for the guy to hear him. And again. And then a stranger would, who's this guy talking about me? And then within minutes, he's laughing, laughing and just having a great time. Being made fun of by a stranger.

[Dan Bernstein]

Random dude. Yep.

[Matt Spiegel]

And the guy probably went home and he told his wife or his friends, you know, at work the next day.

[Dan Bernstein]

I got.

[Matt Spiegel]

I was at, you know, I was at. I was at dinner last night, and this. This guy just starts making fun of me. Like, oh, my God, what did you do? I. I laughed.

[Dan Bernstein]

It was great.

[Matt Spiegel]

It was funny. Listen, what he said about me.

[Dan Bernstein]

He said this about me that other people are laughing.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yes. Yeah, it was amazing. I mean, it was. Yeah, I just. I loved. I loved being around him. It was just. It was always good.

[Dan Bernstein]

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[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah. I've been thinking a lot about his grandkids this weekend and just how lucky. How lucky they were to have Terry. I mean, imagine Terry's a grandpa. You know what I mean? I mean.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, because for you, he was a bit of a father figure. There's a paternal role. I think for me, it was a combination, like in. Within the industry, I'd say it was. It was a combination of. Of much older brother.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

And goofy uncle.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

So it was. But. But I would think to have him.

[Matt Spiegel]

As a grandfather would be great. Yeah. And I just. I. My heart breaks for his grandkids to not have. To not have the grandpa, you know.

[Dan Bernstein]

But they had a lot of. They did get to enjoy so much of him. They really did. And I'm just trying to, like, the proper way to. To pay tribute to Terry. If there's still a racetrack open somewhere, if there's some crappy harness racing somewhere.

[Matt Spiegel]

Oh, I'm sure there is.

[Dan Bernstein]

Go to whatever harness track is open. And that was talking about the love of his life, too. The hardest horses, the standard breads, even.

[Matt Spiegel]

Just talking. And that's another area that we bonded over. And I fell into it as a bartender and fell in love with the sport itself and got to know people inside of it. And, you know, and that was another area that we bonded really well on harness racing. Well, no, horse racing in general. I was never much of a harness guy because I worked at all the. You know, I worked at Arlington and Sportsman's, and I just. We just bonded over because that. That's another culture of people, of subset that. That fit Terry really well, you know, and he. And he was like. I mean, he would. He was like. He would have been like the king of the. Of the horse people.

[Dan Bernstein]

You know, when you actually on from the 50 when you were talking to John Ortiz. Yeah. I. That resonated with me. I kept thinking of Terry.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Through all of the stories that he was telling about the culture and the family and the people and why he gravitated to that when he was working on his role. I was very mindful of Terry throughout a lot of that stuff.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah, no, me too. As we were having that. That talk and man, that was a great, great part of the conversation with John and what he did to learn that role and the show. I'm sure you've never watched the show luck that he was on.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, I know of it.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Matt Spiegel]

But the actor. God, I hope I have his name right. Richard Kind. Oh, yeah, yeah. Right. So he's a. He's a. He's a track guy, you know.

[Dan Bernstein]

I didn't know Richard Kind was a track. Okay.

[Matt Spiegel]

Oh, no. In. In the show. In the show. He's on the show and it's like, that's Terry. You know what I mean? I just think of like, Terry.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Big, goofy.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yes. In the show, you know, and just loves the gambling and that and the horse racing. But yeah, I totally thought of Terry when I was talking to John Ortiz as well, too. But yeah, that was a. That was another culture that he just. Man, he would have thrived, you know, he was. He would thrive in that.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Matt Spiegel]

You know, and these are like the.

[Dan Bernstein]

And also because there were outcast eccentrics. Yes, yes.

[Matt Spiegel]

And that's their. Like, that's our God, you know?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. No, but that would. That there's a lot of people in that milieu who don't fit anywhere else.

[Matt Spiegel]

Right. But that's the thing about Terry. Everybody fit with Terry, regardless of who you were, where you were at in society or culture, because he was just a genuine, kind person. It didn't matter unless you were a bad person. Terry would. He would destroy you. Rightfully so.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, that's the other thing too. That is all of that joy and all of his rock solid moral compass that even though he could be a penis, his rock solid when there was a right and a wrong and a way to treat people and a way not to treat people. And if you were on the other end, if he was coming after you, and especially there were a lot of things that we got really serious about. And I will never forget him having my back throughout all the stuff when everything was breaking and in the news about the Catholic Church and everything that was going on in our own way, using humor, using the point of humor. Going back to what I Always say the George Bernard Shaw quote. I always say, if you want to tell people the truth, you better make them laugh or they'll kill you. That's a guiding quote for me. If you want to tell people the truth, you better make them laugh or they'll kill you. And few people were better than that at Terry. Than Terry. And when, you know, guys making fun of the Pope, you know, one of the hardest laughs I've ever had. When we were sitting and he's watching, comes Uncle Tilty. Uncle Tilty is coming out, and it's time. He's finally had enough. He is giving his famous papal encyclical, his speech, known as Nolo Cornholo. And I was. Here comes Uncle Tilty to give the Nolo Cornholo speech. And everything went down with DePaul. Remember all that? And he just like, you know, when I what do we do here? What's right? And he said, you know exactly what to do. You know what's right and wrong. There were things like that, but there's a right and a wrong. And he never wavered in that stuff. Always, if ever. It's like, oof. I don't know what to do, because. Yeah, you do. I don't know what to. Yeah, you do. You know what's right, you know what's wrong, you know where to be on that. And when he'd come down like thunder for the right reasons, even if it's a. It's something that started with a sports opinion, it ended up being bigger than that when it came to fairness. And this is part of what made Saturday so hard for me and still is. Terry marched. It's not in his book. Terry marched against the Vietnam War. Because he knew, he understood. And I don't know if a lot of people know that about him, because people say, oh, yeah, he's just, you know, a Southside hillbilly. And it's like, no, he's a lot more than that. Yeah, he was a lot more than that. And he. He had. He didn't always bring everything he felt all the time to air, but he. He read a lot and Student of history, a real student, like, really much more of an intellect. A literate. A literate intellect that. That perhaps he didn't really want to show all the time or his. His depth of knowledge of a lot of things.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

And he.

[Matt Spiegel]

But that's the thing about Terry. He just. He didn't feel like he needed to show that, you know, he didn't need to show off or that just wasn't him. That just wasn't him. And I think part of it is he didn't like the spotlight either, which is, you know, so ironic, given it's.

[Dan Bernstein]

Antithetical to somebody who does what he does. Yes, it is ironic. But it's true, though. It's true.

[Matt Spiegel]

No, it's very true.

[Dan Bernstein]

And it's almost kind of the trope of he wasn't the sad clown or. But some of that idea of the insecure public figure and. But that's where his humor came from.

[Terry Boers]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

That really. That whatever. Whatever insecurities are there. Or for all of us who suffer from imposter syndrome, who wonder, why me? Why am I? Why do I deserve this? Why does anybody care what I think about anything? Why are you? And it always bothered him when people would compliment him and say, I named my kid this because of what you said. He's like, oh, I don't want to hear any of that, buddy. Don't tell me any of that. I don't know. I'm not that important. Please don't.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah. And you talk about. But knowing what's right, what's wrong. One night, you know, years and years ago, we were out to dinner, just the two of us, down by Moquina, one of his favorite Mexican restaurants. And we're sitting there, we're having just a great time, sitting at the bar and one of the high top tables. There were these two younger girls, and there was a guy, and they were kind of loud, and the guy was being really rude, and he was treating this girl like garbage, you know? And then he. He left. And without even saying anything, Terry got up, walked right over the table, and he was like, hey, I don't know you. I don't know what this guy is. But whatever. Whatever is going on here with this, you could do a lot better than that guy. So whatever's going on, just know that right now. And not knowing who she is, anything about her, you could. You could do a lot better than that guy. And so me, you know, I'm. You know, I'm probably 7 or 8 captain and Cokes deep. And I'm like, all right, this guy comes back, he's getting his ass beat. You know, I mean, this is how it's going tonight.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. But at that time, seven or eight Captain Cokes probably wouldn't even raise an eyebrow.

[Matt Spiegel]

Well, no, we haven't. The chips and salsa hadn't come out yet. Yeah. Oh, no, I'm gonna say like that.

[Dan Bernstein]

Seven or eight.

[Matt Spiegel]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, no, no.

[Matt Spiegel]

They were still Getting the salsa together to bring out the complimentary salsa.

[Terry Boers]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Spiegel]

Oh, it was. Yeah. And I was like, all right, well, this is how tonight's going. I guess we're gonna beat the. Out of some guy, so it's great. Let's go. All right, I'm ready to roll there.

[Dan Bernstein]

We're already dirty. Let's get it.

[Matt Spiegel]

But. But that's the kind of, like, who does that? Like, who walks up to. Because he was treating a woman like shit. And Terry was like, yeah, I'm hearing it. It's not. Not. Not gonna happen.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wasn't having it.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wasn't having it. And there were. If you were on the wrong side, you're on the wrong side. And he would. He would train those guns on you. And it wasn't in fun.

[Matt Spiegel]

It was also the same. So Peach was gone. And by the way, we love you, Peach. Yes, Peach was gone. And so I crashed at the estate that night. And I remember. I remember Terry going to bed, and he had this, I don't know, a thousand foot, you know, TV, a giant TV. I mean, this TV was as big as the 312 sports sign behind you.

[Dan Bernstein]

Make fun of it. Back before it was fashionable for all of us to have the giant tv.

[Matt Spiegel]

And his remote from the little guys was. I mean, it was like the.

[Dan Bernstein]

I had it.

[Matt Spiegel]

It was like this. I mean. Yeah, it was huge.

[Dan Bernstein]

It was like an iPad.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

And it weighed.

[Matt Spiegel]

It weighed like 15 pounds. And I remember he. All right, buddy, I'm done. I gotta go to bed, buddy. And I'm like. I'm like, oh, I'm still wide awake. And he's like, well, here you go. And he handed it to me, and I'm like, what the.

[Dan Bernstein]

I know exactly.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yes and all. And I. I woke up the next morning. The sun. The sun was out. I woke up, I'm flat on the couch, you know, next. Sore as hell. And I woke up with this iPad on my chest. And the TV was, like, all scattered pictures because I had no idea how to work it. I'm not sure Terry knew either.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't think he did either. Yeah, hey, buddy. I don't know how to do it. Yeah, fix my thing.

[Matt Spiegel]

I woke up, and he's like, hey, buddy, how'd you sleep? And I'm like, terrible. I go, what is. What's happening with this remote? Oh, buddy, I don't know. I got a call. Little guys. What was it with the little guys? Yeah, Wex has got to come over and.

[Dan Bernstein]

What?

[Matt Spiegel]

Turn your TV on for you. Like, that sounds like an issue.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, Wex is coming over. They'll fix everything. I don't know, buddy.

[Matt Spiegel]

Hey, it's Wex. What's the problem, Terry? I can't turn the TV on.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'll be right there.

[Matt Spiegel]

Oh, God, that was fun.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, there's that. Here we're experiencing it again. Every time you're trying to be sad. And like I say, I'm resigned to my fate after the game. I'm resigned to the fact that we all have our moments. And my moments already, there are things where I'll see a funny sign or I'll see something that I know would be. Would piss him off. And I want to take a picture and text it to him and I want to just like, oh, God, Terry would love that. Oh, my God, would he get a kick out of that?

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah. And I mean, for anyone that you lose, that's just, you know, that's what's going through my brain. Like, I'm never going to text him again, never going to call him again. You know, a few years back, we, the two of us got together for lunch when, you know, when I thought that he had, like, crossed the hump and he was over it and, and he was going to, he was going to be good, you know, health wise, and he looked great, sounded great. And, you know, we said, I'm, you know, and I'm going to remember that lunch, you know, because then, well, Mitch.

[Dan Bernstein]

Did a good job too, with those dinners. I think he was sort of the impetus behind collecting a disparate group of people just to meet him at Mr. Benny's and go out and have some fried perch. And.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah, I was still waiting for the calls on those dinners, see if they came through yet.

[Dan Bernstein]

Give it a look.

[Matt Spiegel]

Let us look at missed calls. No, not yet, still. All right, cool.

[Dan Bernstein]

And I know he was the way he was with people, and not just the producers, but like Russ Matera and the people with whom we interacted all the time, and people couldn't wait for him.

[Matt Spiegel]

Salespeople always had a hug, always had a high five for somebody and would work the hallways and sales would love to see him. And, you know, oh, my God, the traffic department, you know, he just go in there and, you know, work the room over and the girls would just die laughing. And yeah, Uncle Terry, I mean, he was Uncle Terry to everybody.

[Dan Bernstein]

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[Matt Spiegel]

I got picks for you.

[Dan Bernstein]

Good. I do too.

[Matt Spiegel]

I put together a three team parlay that I'm running tonight. I'm taking the Bulls and the one point I'm getting against the Lakers. I think they're going to win that game. I'm going to take the Celtics minus eight against the Trailblazers because they're going to bounce back and win that one. And then the hornets are laying 2 1/2 against the 76ers. So I'm going both.

[Dan Bernstein]

You looked at who's playing in these games?

[Matt Spiegel]

Yes, I have.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Matt Spiegel]

Oh my God. I have been so into the NBA lately.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm just making.

[Matt Spiegel]

Because I'm transitioning from my Bears season into watching more NBA.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, Captain Basketball.

[Matt Spiegel]

I'm working towards that title. So Bulls plus one, Celtics minus eight. Hornets minus two and a half.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, coming off of my mixed weekend with my.

[Matt Spiegel]

Have you looked at who's playing in those games?

[Dan Bernstein]

You. You take. I mean the actual players, not the names of the team.

[Matt Spiegel]

I love NBA basketball.

[Dan Bernstein]

And you know that sometimes the game starts, you're like, well, what happened to all their good players? They're not playing tonight. So my Jarrett Stidham bets did. Meh. I got the touchdown though. I thought that thing started off just fine.

[Matt Spiegel]

All you needed was one.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep, got that one. So for tonight, also in the Bulls Lakers game, I've got a couple of props for you. And I kind of moved up off of the basic over unders here to get a little better Odds to combine the following bets. I'm getting plus 150 on Luca Doncic, two or more steals, and plus 250 on Deandre Ayton, two or more blocks. So go with both of those and put them together or do them apart if you want to make them a piece of something. But those are the two props for tonight. Deandre Ayton, two or more blocks. Luka Doncic, two or more steals. I think there's going to be a lot of possessions. I think it's going to be up and down. I think with. Especially without Trey Jones and with Josh Giddy playing some more minutes. The Bulls don't take care of the ball as well with Trey Jones out. So I'm going to bet on those steals. And the Bulls, they get their shots blocked a lot. They try to go to the basket a lot. They don't have anybody who's really great at leaping, so they get their shots blocked often. So I think deandre Ayton may be that guy. Those are my DBU picks. Lock in your picks now with my bookie, bet on anything, anywhere, anytime.

[Matt Spiegel]

All right, help me out. When I was interning. So this is 018 to noon was the showtime, right?

[Dan Bernstein]

Correct.

[Matt Spiegel]

8 to noon.

[Dan Bernstein]

And then that was right after we started on 1160 and Harvey Wells wanted to maximize our high power daytime hours, so he shifted everything because we had to power down.

[Matt Spiegel]

So 8 to noon. And then. And then it went 10 to 2.

[Dan Bernstein]

8 to noon, then 10 to 2.

[Matt Spiegel]

Then 2 to 6, then 1 to.

[Dan Bernstein]

6, then 2 to 6, then one to six. Okay. Yep.

[Matt Spiegel]

So when we made the transition, and this is one of my favorite things about. One of my favorite memories about the show was when High Noon was a bit. And then we. We couldn't do High Noon anymore because the time frame. And so I transitioned High Noon and called it the second half.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, it was secondhand news to start.

[Matt Spiegel]

Well, no, that's a. That was a. That was a totally different bit.

[Dan Bernstein]

It was started as secondhand news. It was way better. And then it became High Noon.

[Matt Spiegel]

High Noon, and then the second half. Because we weren't around noon anymore.

[Dan Bernstein]

Correct.

[Matt Spiegel]

And the people's. People's reaction to oh, my God, High Noon was so much better than the second half or the second half is way better than High Noon.

[Dan Bernstein]

Said that too.

[Matt Spiegel]

But the way. But Terry and like he just off the air stuff about how stupid people were about it.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's.

[Matt Spiegel]

He, like, he just, he couldn't. He couldn't grasp the fact that people just didn't get that. It wasn't. It was the same segment.

[Dan Bernstein]

How about TB Diddlers?

[Matt Spiegel]

Oh, well, that. I mean, that's a TB Diddler's.

[Dan Bernstein]

The. When we were the detectives. Yes. You know, Terry doesn't mention. I don't know who's in charge of that marketing, because I. You know, they never give the address. They never give a ph. Number. How are we supposed to know where this place is with all the money he's put into opening this place up? And I'm like, yeah, it's not real. It's a bit. There is no TV Diddlers.

[Matt Spiegel]

Well, yeah. I mean, then Russ would do the production, and Terry's involved, and he said.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, there is no TV Diddlers. And he's like, oh, really? Well, what do you do? I'm a detective.

[Matt Spiegel]

But I just. I loved it. Like, Terry knew how dumb people were, yet he had the hardest time with that. That people made comments and be like, oh, my God. Secondhand news was so much better. Second half was. Was, you know, sucked compared to High Noon. You guys should bring High Noon back. Like, but we're on two to six, dude.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's not noon.

[Matt Spiegel]

Right? That's the whole point.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's the same.

[Matt Spiegel]

The exact same. It's just different music change the name and the sound effects are different. Yep. Terry. Terry's like, I just don't.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't get it, buddy. I don't understand. And I'll. I cannot watch a Bulls game, by the way, without. Every time they say Dale and Terry, I always go, dale and Terry. Dale and Terry. Yes, you do. That started with the Heavy Fuel crew, even, but every time, like, rebound. Dale and Terry, Dalen. Terry and I started doing it, and then Jason started doing it. Because all the Bulls games we watched together. And look, the DNA of his sensibility and his stupidity tarries through everything that we do. What did the giraffe say when he walked into the bar? The highballs are on me. I mean, all of it. All of it. That man's nuts. Grab them. I mean, the cart. These things that just developed. And so much of that is permanently affixed to everything that we do. People don't know why they say certain things that they say. It's because of Terry. I'm telling you, like my own son, the word crack, he goes crack. Every time, Every time. Every single time. Crack.

[Matt Spiegel]

Give me crack.

[Dan Bernstein]

Like, if that's part of your legacy, you're doing something right. If you have people saying things the way you said them just because it's Fun to do.

[Matt Spiegel]

Oh, one of. One of Terry's. Or one of Terry. One of Tani's production pieces with all of Terry's noises.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, there's two of them.

[Matt Spiegel]

Just. I mean, that's the funniest stuff.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. The samba one is great. Where he. Yeah, I'd love for him. I think they're on SoundCloud somewhere. He's probably reposting him, so.

[Matt Spiegel]

Oh, my God, they were so, so good. Because in like half the show, Terry would talk. The other half of the show, he would make noises.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's a great job. You can get it.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah, it sure is.

[Dan Bernstein]

So.

[Matt Spiegel]

But the fact that he would do that in public to people like that. The dinner. We've talked about the dinner. It's the three of us and it's, you know, make it hot. You know, make it. And this poor. This poor server.

[Dan Bernstein]

I want it right up the old. Like, what's wrong with this guy? Okay, sir. Sure thing.

[Matt Spiegel]

That's sober.

[Dan Bernstein]

And then. And she. I don't know what she put in it, but he was.

[Matt Spiegel]

Oh, he was dying.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. Yeah. So she dying. She delivered on that one.

[Matt Spiegel]

Dripping sweat.

[Dan Bernstein]

We gotta get some ice cream, buddy.

[Matt Spiegel]

Oh, we ended up finding. At a gas station.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, we were like a Circle K.

[Matt Spiegel]

Frozen ice cream bars. There was no ice cream.

[Dan Bernstein]

I remember what I got. I got a heavy Heath bar. I got the ice cream Heath bar, buddy.

[Matt Spiegel]

We gotta find ice cream, buddy.

[Dan Bernstein]

Gotta get ice cream. Chili ice cream.

[Matt Spiegel]

Eats in the back seat as I'm driving around.

[Dan Bernstein]

We gotta get ice cream.

[Matt Spiegel]

You guys were lucky. Early on. I didn't drink because I was driving your asses around. I thought it was like part of my duty. I did business expenses and made sure everything was good and hotels were good.

[Dan Bernstein]

There's no sex drugs in rock and roll for Ian. Ian's trying to find mandolin strings in the middle of downtown Cleveland. Yeah, well, I think I made that up the one time I had to wake up you and Jason in the running car.

[Matt Spiegel]

Oh, Arizona. Yeah, I think that was the same night. I think we stole things from your. Your parents rental house. Remember?

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, that was the same night.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah, I think it was the same night. Remember? And your mom. Your mom squeezed fresh lemonade. Lemon juice.

[Dan Bernstein]

That was Frank Thomas's house.

[Matt Spiegel]

Frank Thomas's house.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Yeah. They stayed when they went to Tucson.

[Matt Spiegel]

And then we go to visit. The four of us go to your parents house to hang out for the night.

[Dan Bernstein]

She's like.

[Matt Spiegel]

She's like. Do you guys want vodka lemonades? I squeezed. I made homemade Lemonade from the lemons in the lemon tree in the front yard. We're like, yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

And then you guys stole sombreros off the walls. And we started a handle of Jack and a handle of captain that was.

[Matt Spiegel]

In the liquor cabinet. And then there was a rug, like a rug on the floor that we rolled it up and carried it over our shoulders. And your mom was like, okay, all right, boys. And then there was. Remember, there was the hot tub? And we asked. We were like, hey, what if we. What if we meet some people out tonight? We want to come back and use the hot tub? And she's like, bruce, get the hot tub ready for the boys. Telling you it was the best. And there's Terry just, like, looking at me and Jay like, what the hell? Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

And then I remember getting back. I was with my parents for most of the evening, and then I remember getting back to the hotel late, and, like, in the little driveway of the hotel, you guys were in the car asleep. Yep. Yeah. That was a night, guys. Hello.

[Matt Spiegel]

We.

[Dan Bernstein]

How we doing? Oh, hey.

[Matt Spiegel]

Well, that was a night. How are you, Jay? Jay was driving, and we stopped and asked this car. There was a stop car. We asked him for directions, and so we rolled the window down. The guy rolled the window down. He saw a black man driving the car. And Jay asked. He's like, hey, do you know where so and so is? Or whatever it is. And the guy's like, oh, I don't speak no English.

[Terry Boers]

And we.

[Matt Spiegel]

We were. I was like, all right, we better go, like, before. Just get murdered leaving.

[Dan Bernstein]

What a good idea.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah, I don't speak no English. Like, okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

All righty. Thanks, Sir.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yeah, I think we got some King Crowber somewhere. We poured a little bit out, and then.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Matt Spiegel]

Next thing I know, you're waking us up in the mm.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's all good. Everybody's okay.

[Matt Spiegel]

Yep.

[Dan Bernstein]

So, yeah, pour out, whatever. If you. If you want to pour one out tonight. Jack and Diet.

[Matt Spiegel]

Jack and Diets. Yeah. If you want to honor Terry tonight.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep.

[Matt Spiegel]

Pour yourself a Jack and Diet.

[Dan Bernstein]

Just a Jack and Diet. And find. Find some harness racing and bet on a loser.

[Matt Spiegel]

And if you can't find one, I'm sure there's. There's clips on YouTube you can watch. Old harness race. Just do that for a little while and Dr. A Jack and Diet.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Do that with a Jack and Diet and hope that Laverne Hostetler can pull that horse into the show position down the stretch that he isn't boxed. He can go three wide on the final turn. And make his way onto the board. And that is Dan Bernstein, Unfiltered, brought to you in partnership with my bookie and by Chicago Window Guys and Russ Armstrong. Make sure that you give Russ a call at 847-302-9171.

[Matt Spiegel]

You look back at it, what are some things that stand out for you? Your time at the score?

[Terry Boers]

Almost all of it, because it was so unsuspected that that's the direction I would take. I had not thought about doing that or given a, certainly not a second thought because I didn't have a first thought for it. But, you know, working with Dan for as long as I did, I know you figured it must have made me crazier. I, you know, I thought that we meshed pretty damn well together, which is very difficult to do. And we did, and he's terrific. So I didn't, you know, I thought about it and I thought this is a hell of a lot easier than traipsing. And I remember some of those road trips with the Bulls and all the other stuff and the, and the writing, the columns and all the other things where you're traipsing all over the country and you're just beat. You know, your, your mind and everything about you is just beat. It's a lot easier sitting in a studio and, and giving people the what for than it is to ask actually to it the tough way. But, yeah, you know, all of that stuff I don't miss now, isn't that weird? I mean, all the stuff that didn't help me a bit, you know, all the stuff that was stupid to do. And I, and I say that to people as a warning sign because, you know, I, because my first battle was with the jaw cancer, right? That goes back to 2016, when my final days with a score were coming in when I was about done. And because I was at, I was downtown 30 days. Let's see, we used to stay down there a month at a time because I had a radiation shot every day. I'm so full of radiation, I think I glow. But I mean, these are, these, this goes way, way back. So I, I, you know, I, I fought as, as hard as I can fight, and I'm going to keep fighting as hard as I can. But them, no, I miss it all. I miss it all. I miss the people. I miss the whole thing.

[Dan Bernstein]

Dan bernstein.

[Terry Boers]

Unfiltered.

[Matt Spiegel]

Unfiltered. On three. One, two.

[Dan Bernstein]

Sports.