TANKATHON! Chicago Bulls have lost 10 STRAIGHT GAMES!

Summary

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Dan Bernstein Unfiltered – Episode Summary

Episode: TANKATHON! Chicago Bulls have lost 10 STRAIGHT GAMES!
Date: February 26, 2026
Podcast: Dan Bernstein Unfiltered / Organizations Win Championships
Hosts: Dan Bernstein & Jason Bernstein
Theme: A deep, unfiltered look at the Chicago Bulls’ ongoing losing streak, tanking strategies, roster evaluation, medical mishaps, and NBA prospects—delivered with signature Chicago sports banter and dark humor.

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Episode Overview

In this raucous, candid episode, Dan and Jason Bernstein revel in the Chicago Bulls’ stunning 10-game losing streak, dissect what it means for the franchise’s future, and debate everything from tanking strategies to NBA Draft prospects. The hosts bring in plenty of classic Bulls angst, highlight ongoing issues with the team’s medical staff, and keep the tone both irreverent and deeply invested—the trademark "Organizations Win Championships" mix of hard truths, inside jokes, and sharp basketball analysis.
Key questions: Is this pain finally worth it for a top-four draft pick? Can the Bulls capitalize on a deep upcoming NBA Draft? And are their organizational failings, especially in medical care, sabotaging even a proper tank?

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Detailed Breakdown & Key Insights

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1. The Tankathon: Embracing the Losing Streak

[01:45 – 03:56]

• The Bulls have dropped 10 straight and haven’t won a game all month. Dan and Jason are, paradoxically, thrilled:
  • “They're losing.” (Jason, 01:47)
  • “It's great.” (Dan, 01:49)
• Despite the pain, they're fully on board with the tank—hoping to maximize lottery odds and finally land a cornerstone player.
• Jason points out just how dysfunctional the team looks: "You can count the number of times one guy runs directly into another guy on the Bulls ... it’s insane." (Jason, 03:09)
• This draft is the final shot due to pick obligations; it's now or never.

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2. NBA Draft Prospects: Hope on the Horizon

[03:56 – 06:20]

• Dan refuses to excuse the Bulls for tanking late but concedes: “It’s the right draft to try to do it though. I'll say that.” (Dan, 03:56)
• The class is described as "deep," with names like Caleb Wilson, Keaton Wagler, Kingston Flemings, Darius A. Cuff, Thomas Huff, Cam Boozer, and (most coveted) AJ DeBonsa.
  • “I think DeBonsa should be the surefire number one overall pick.” (Dan, 05:09)
  • Jason sees Boozer as the ‘sure thing’, but Dan slots DeBonsa’s upside higher, even drawing a cautious LeBron comp in explosiveness and rim-attacking: “The way DeBonsa gets to the rim ... is the way that people were describing LeBron.” (Dan, 05:31)

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3. Player Comps, Current NBA Stars, & Rookie Standouts

[06:20 – 13:22]

• Extended conversation on Cade Cunningham, Ben Simmons, and why old comps fail.
• Debate on Brandon Miller's future—Dan believes Miller could be “a better version of Brandon Ingram.” (Dan, 08:40)
• Praise for coach Charles Lee and the Hornets’ turnaround—crediting Lamelo Ball’s increased defensive effort.
• Rookie of the Year debate: Adam (Bulls’ broadcaster) prefers Can Knipple over Cooper Flagg, not just because of wins but Knipple’s all-around impact.
  • “If he had a vote for rookie of the year right now, it would not be Cooper Flag, it would be Con Can Apple.” (Dan, paraphrasing Adam, 12:12)

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4. NBA Team Identity & Defensive Comparisons

[13:22 – 15:51]

• Dan’s “Raptors are playing like the Seahawks” comp draws laughter—their length, defensive switching, and intensity mirrors the Legion of Boom.
  • “They’re angry. They’re everywhere.” (Dan, 14:07)
• Toronto's disciplined D, awareness, and recovery are contrasted to the Bulls:
  • “Toronto's always aware of where everybody else is in the defense ... when they trap and recover, there’s no extra steps to get back to that space.” (Jason, 15:29)

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5. Bulls Roster & Player Critiques

[15:51 – 20:49]

• Nick Richards’ stone hands (“Simpkins level hands”) become an ongoing joke, launching Michael Jordan practice anecdotes.
• Debates about Dillingham, his speed, and NBA fit (“Let him be fast.” – Dan, 17:17), and the general talent shortage on the roster.
• Colin Sexton gets some flowers for effort—"That's a guy that could help a team win a championship, coming off the bench and just playing really hard." (Stacey King, paraphrased by Jason, 19:01)
• Appreciation for Bulls’ broadcast team openness and teaching approach during the misery.

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6. Bulls' Medical Reputation and Front Office Failures

[20:49 – 29:00]

• Deep dive on Jaden Ivey’s trade and subsequent struggles/injury: Is this medical malpractice or just bad luck?
  • “Did they [the Bulls] fuck it up?...If he can't get some of this back, that's not an NBA player.” (Jason, 22:13)
  • “The Bulls doctors are terrible. And that's the reputation around the league.” (Dan, 24:30)
• Organization’s poor league-wide reputation regarding medical care goes back decades (Luol Deng, Zach Collins, Vucevic). Strong sense this hurts free agency and player development.

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7. Tanking, Coaching, and Organizational Direction

[28:28 – 34:38]

• Tanking discourse: Players and coaches don’t “tank,” but front-office manipulation is real.
• Frustration at front office indecision—cases like Zach Collins' late-season surgery highlight wider dysfunction.

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8. NBA/Nerd-Out Trivia Segment (“Showdown”)

[35:08 – 45:59]

• Dan quizzes Jason (and vice versa) with deep NBA stats & history:
  • Most versatile stat stuffers (top 100 in 4 major categories): “LeBron, Durant, Westbrook, Giannis,” plus legends like Kareem, Akeem, Dirk, Kidd, etc.
  • Who holds the longest 20-point scoring streaks in Clippers history? (Bob McAdoo, World B Free, Kawhi Leonard)
  • Humorous moment: Jason nails “Karl-Anthony Towns” as a super-rare stat comp for Bob McAdoo: “God, I'm so good. Ah. Ah. This fires me up. Ugh. This is my cocaine.” (Dan, 45:30)

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9. Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Bulls' tank:
  “Organizations win championships.” (Dan, recurring theme)
• On the current draft:
  “Give me a top four draft pick, give me every chance. And this is their last year to try to do it.” (Jason, 03:52)
• On the NBA draft class:
  “Cam Boozer is great. I think there's an argument for him to go two.” (Dan, 05:03) “I think DeBonsa should be the surefire number one overall pick.” (Dan, 05:09)
• On organizational failings:
  “The Bulls doctors are terrible. And that’s the reputation around the league.” (Dan, 24:30) “Players talk. And it goes back through Luol Deng and the spinal tap ... there are people who say avoid Chicago because of the medical issues.” (Jason, 25:28)
• On the "tankathon":
  “They’re losing. We should be incredibly happy about that. Don’t lose sight of this. They’re finally doing it.” (Jason, 32:25)
• On NBA nerd-dom:
  “Bang. Bang. Hold it. Let's go. I ball knowledge. I am so damn good at my job. This is my cocaine.” (Dan, 45:30)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Bulls’ Losing Streak / Tank Embrace: 01:45 – 03:56
• NBA Draft Prospects Breakdown: 03:56 – 06:20
• Rookie of the Year/rookie comps: 11:12 – 12:43
• Toronto Seahawks defense comparison: 13:47 – 15:46
• Roster jokes, medical woes: 15:51 – 24:30
• Bulls’ medical reputation: 24:30 – 28:32
• Tanking ethics/coaching: 28:32 – 34:38
• NBA "Showdown" trivia session: 35:08 – 45:59
• Signature sign-off riffing: 45:59 – end

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Tone & Style

Unabashedly honest, sometimes darkly comic, always steeped in Chicago sports lore. Dan and Jason riff off each other with familial energy—trading stats, mock insults, pop culture references, and sports nostalgia in a way only lifelong Bulls sufferers can.

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Summary: Why This Episode Matters

If you’re a Bulls fan wondering, “Why suffer this misery?”—Dan and Jason’s answer is clear: So Chicago finally gets a generational star. In the meantime, they’ll keep skewering bad management, celebrating the rare bright spot, and never let the hope for lottery luck die. This episode is a time-capsule of Bulls fandom at its bleakest and most hopeful, all at once.

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Transcript

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[Jason]

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[Dan Bernstein]

Organizations win championships.

[Jason]

A Chicago Bulls podcast with Jason and

[Dan Bernstein]

dan Bernstein on 312 Sports. Welcome to Organizations Win Championships. My name is Jason Bernstein. That is Fatty Dingleberry Magoo. And we are back with more Bulls basketball talk.

[Jason]

Red Hot Bulls basketball Talk.

[Dan Bernstein]

Will you please remind me what episode this is? I'm getting old. I don't know.

[Jason]

Forgot what number I have this as one turdy tree.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's what I was thinking. One turdy tree or 1:34. So one turdy tree. Shout out Pat Foley. So not Matt Foley. That's a little different.

[Jason]

But they're doing it. They're losing.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's great.

[Jason]

They're losing.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's great.

[Jason]

I know it's too late, but if we have been for how many. How long have we been doing this?

[Dan Bernstein]

Three years, fall of 2022. Wow.

[Jason]

Yeah, it's a long time. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

See my senior year of high school.

[Jason]

Yeah, two and a half years. We've been doing this.

[Dan Bernstein]

Three and a half years.

[Jason]

Three. Oh, 22. Three and a half years.

[Dan Bernstein]

So I however asking. Yes, it's probably a little bit closer to three because we went on a hiatus after your activities.

[Jason]

A hiatus and a hyenus, which you actually have to have looked at.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's one of my favorite Family Guy bits. That's. It's a little bit better than my Uncle Ray with a really high up anus and they're showing him on the toilet and he's kind of laying down reading.

[Jason]

I'm doing something. But they didn't make a joke about the word hiatus. And then they made it into hiatus.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, I'm just saying the high anus. Right.

[Jason]

But it wasn't the same.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, it wasn't the same joke.

[Jason]

They didn't even really go there to get the. They just made that up in a whole cloth.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, the Bulls right now smell of really high anus.

[Jason]

LL awesome. LL I think that's 10.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, it is 10.

[Jason]

That's 10.

[Dan Bernstein]

They haven't won a single game this month. They haven't won a game this month.

[Jason]

Fine. Good. That's how you do it. And I was a little worried after the first half last night, but good Lord, that third quarter. Oh, my God. When you wanted to really see what a team that has. That doesn't know how to play together, doesn't know how to take care of the basketball, doesn't understand. I can't. You can count when you watch a Bulls game. Now watch the number of times that one guy runs directly into another guy on the Bulls. Like runs into a teammate or puts his head down, it drives the baseline, and Nick Richards is standing right there. Like, what are you. What are you doing, man? I'm right here. It's insane. That quarter was everything you needed to say, give me a top four draft pick, give me every chance. And this is their last year to try to do it.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's the right draft to try to do it, though. I'll say that. I'll give them that. If they want to use the excuse of saying, well, we did it late because we thought this draft class is whatever, I. No, no, I'm not going to give him that excuse.

[Jason]

And I'm not sure that even it flies now with Darren Peterson being so unreliable.

[Dan Bernstein]

This draft class is deep, though. That's the thing. There are still guys that you can. That you can take fifth overall, seventh overall, that are really good players. Yeah, Wilson, Caleb Wilson. Keaton Wagler is really good from Illinois.

[Jason]

You're already there with him.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's talent. Talent.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, Kingston Flemings, right, from Houston.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's been flying up the boards. Darius A. Cuff from Arkansas, Thomas Haw from Florida. That.

[Jason]

Please. He's. It's. It's Huff, by the way. It's not. It's spelled the same as Haw, okay? Pronounced huff. But he's. He's a guy.

[Dan Bernstein]

Maybe he does all reverse ducks.

[Jason]

He's a shooty guy. I would you. I think you went way too deep in some of these names, calling It a deep draft, but regardless of why and how we got here.

[Dan Bernstein]

Cam Boozer's great, though. Cam Boozer is great. I think there's an argument for him to go two.

[Jason]

Debons is better.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, no, I agree with that. I think DeBonsa should be the surefire number one overall pick.

[Jason]

DeBonts is better.

[Dan Bernstein]

I just. That it's going to be the second and third it's pick that I've said this debated and the Bulls might end up with that.

[Jason]

It's more certain that Boozer is absolutely 100% good.

[Dan Bernstein]

But if not, great.

[Jason]

But it's much more possible that debons is great.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's. I was talking to one of my friends about it was a very avid college basketball watcher and just a smart basketball fan in general. And he was saying the way DeBonsa gets to the rim, the way people describe it, is the way that people were describing LeBron. And I'm not comparing the two as prospects, but the upside that he has at his knack for getting to the rim at 6 foot 10 is pretty ridiculous.

[Jason]

It isn't just getting to the. It's getting far fouled. He's awesome at foul hunting. He's so good at it. And that takes years to develop.

[Dan Bernstein]

You're in love with him.

[Jason]

I have been. Haven't I been consistent? And didn't I make the LeBron Comp in one of the discussions we were having earlier? Yeah, when you were talking about speed. Speed.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, you also made a horrible comp the other day saying that Cade Cunningham is a smaller version of what Ben Simmons was supposed to be. No, Ben Simmons was never expected to develop a jump shot. That's not true. Okay. He was expected to develop a jump shot.

[Jason]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Not a sharp shooting.

[Jason]

Not like that. No.

[Dan Bernstein]

But Cunningham. Shut up. Cade Cunningham. Shut up and listen to me. Cade Cunningham has been. Was always a great shooter.

[Jason]

You just did the Larry Siegel.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes, I did. Kate Cunningham.

[Jason]

Listen to me, Kate.

[Dan Bernstein]

Cunningham was always a great shooter, and that was one of his biggest strengths going into the draft knowing he was going to be the first overall pick. Ben Simmons, you knew you had to develop something and at least had to make him make it respectable for a defender to step up on it, which he never did.

[Jason]

But what I'm saying is the visions that were dancing in the heads of people around Simmons had to do with that kind of ease and size. And the guy could rip down a rebound, put it on the floor, distribute the ball.

[Dan Bernstein]

Everybody's comp was LeBron.

[Jason]

Well, I'm just saying like that's why when I was watching some of the stuff that Cade does now and do

[Dan Bernstein]

you think DeBonsa can do that?

[Jason]

Well, I don't know if he's that good a rebounder inch for inch, but God, Cunningham plays so much bigger than his listed height.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, he got in the weight room too. Yeah, he did.

[Jason]

Yep. Yes, he did.

[Dan Bernstein]

Which we need to see out of multiple guys on the Bulls. He is A. Cunningham's 6.

[Jason]

6 but he plays so much bigger and. And Cunningham might be a win a title because of Star and. And that. That team.

[Dan Bernstein]

And.

[Jason]

And you mentioned this when we were talking was it last night that you said the Charlotte Hornets are the new Pistons?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep. Yep. And Brandon. Brandon Miller. Brandon Miller is that dude. Brandon Miller's that dude. And we were talking. We were talking about Brandon Ingram last time, right?

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

And. And his. His ability to just make shots and how smooth he is. He doesn't have the. Miller's the same height and it's his third year in the league and he's already a good. Good if not great shot maker, but he's significantly more athletic than Ingram.

[Jason]

You know, I.

[Dan Bernstein]

And that I think. I think. I think Miller. I don't know if he's Kevin Durant, but I think he could be an Ingram on steroids. If we're saying Ingram is a poor man's Durant, I think Miller can be a better version of Brandon Ingram.

[Jason]

Well, this Charles Lee can really coach and I didn't know it was a Bucknell guy.

[Dan Bernstein]

Really.

[Jason]

Oh, like his whole career and he was on a partial scholarship and then I think his last year he finally got a full scholarship but he was Patriot League player. The years have been always viewed as a future coach. He was a. Some kind of financial broker for a while. I don't know if he sold Bonds or what he did, but he was in that financial marketing for a while.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's got Lamello ball playing defense.

[Jason]

Yeah. Well, trying at least the efforts there.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right.

[Jason]

Which is. I still want him to get lower. He's still kind of upright in his defense. You got to get a little lower. But he's. He tries. He could test.

[Dan Bernstein]

I think that. I think that Lamello could be. If Miller is that dude, which I think he is. I think that Lamello would be a great number two on. If Miller takes that track, you know, to. Well, they have their number one on a. On a champion.

[Jason]

They have their number one though.

[Dan Bernstein]

Kobe White. No, I'm kidding.

[Jason]

Con. Knipple.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, maybe they could Be co. Number ones because I'm really high on Miller. We didn't mention Knipple early enough. That dude is taller baller. He's Klay Thompson. I think I. You don't think he's as pure of a shooter.

[Jason]

I don't think he's better at some other things. I just don't. I don't.

[Dan Bernstein]

I think. I think he could get there. I think he. I think he's that pure of a shooter.

[Jason]

Comp him to Luca.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, Yeah. I don't know if he's as good of a passer, and I think he's

[Jason]

a better athlete, but when you talk about his, you know, the. His intelligence, the economy of movement and his deceptive quickness, he plays like he

[Dan Bernstein]

played in Spain for three years.

[Jason]

He's so much quicker than you think. He is tough.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's tough.

[Jason]

There were a couple of things, and I just want to bring this up, too, with what's been going on lately in all these Bulls games. I don't know if you're, you know, who's watching all of these games now and all these minutes that maybe we're the last ones doing it, but here at organizations win championships, we will keep watching these games for you.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, of course, I somewhat enjoy it.

[Jason]

Oh, I love. Until the third quarter, especially because Adam and Stacy have been on it and open with their criticism, and they've been able to sort of drift into other areas. It's been a talk show, it's been a podcast, it's been whatever you want to call it, we're getting. And I. And I also think a lot of credit goes to Mark Brady, the director, who understands what's going on and realizes it's just good content. You know, Casey Johnson, you've got to listen carefully to some of his reports right now, because the way that he shares things, you know, if you're close to this team, you can hear where some of these things are coming from. And with the way they're talking about Modest, he's obviously getting stuff from Billy, and it's finding its way into some of these broadcasts in a way that's really informative. I also think that, you know, Adam, I mean, he said it last night. He said if he had a vote for rookie of the year right now, it would not be Cooper Flag, it would be Con Can Apple.

[Dan Bernstein]

And because he's on a better team.

[Jason]

Well, I don't even think that's really that controversial.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, not at all.

[Jason]

I think that's.

[Dan Bernstein]

And I don't want to say that or. Sorry, I shouldn't say. I. I don't think he said that as to discredit Cooper Flag at all because Flag has been amazing. He's been incredible. And Cooper Flagg is going to be a star and he already is. I mean, what's he averaging this year? Cooper Flagg is averaging 27. 4 on 48% from the field as a rookie who is supposed to be a freshman in college. Right.

[Jason]

That's amazing.

[Dan Bernstein]

So. And the only thing is that Knipple is on a team that is on fire right now.

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[Dan Bernstein]

So, yeah, I don't. I don't think the Hornets can. Can win the Eastern Conference, but I think. I think it's realist that they win a series. I think they could beat Cleveland.

[Jason]

They present a lot of matchup issues.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. And James Harden is hurt now, so I think they could beat Cleveland. I think they could be Orlando, Toronto. I think that's. If it was a Toronto and Charlotte, that would be a great series.

[Jason]

Well, you had an awesome comp that I think should be shared on this show. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

And you sent it to Adam too, and he thought it was great as well.

[Jason]

Well, I just. No, I just thought that your comp that you should own.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, I.

[Jason]

And it blew me away. I'll just let me set it up. Because it blew me away. You. When we're watching the game and we watch. No, you said it. I think you didn't text it. I think you said it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. On the phone with you. Yeah.

[Jason]

When we were watching the game together and I was like, God, these guys really are aggressive defensively and they. Even when they switch, it seems like that there's never a missile.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, I texted it to you. Yep.

[Jason]

What did you say?

[Dan Bernstein]

Raptors are playing like the Seahawks.

[Jason]

That's how they defend.

[Dan Bernstein]

And they're angry. They're everywhere.

[Jason]

It's not just that. It's the similarity of sizes, positionally.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. When you have switch all the time.

[Jason]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

And the Bulls try to play that way, but they can't do it. But everybody out there. Scotty Barnes, 6 foot 8. Brandon Ingram, 6 9. Who else? Even their point guard, Jamal Shed. He plays a lot bigger than he really is. RJ Barrett is six six. Everybody can go out there and defend. And I think Jakob Poeltles hurt right now. They're without a really quality rim protector. So it's just when I. And when I look at Seattle's defense from this season and it's pretty comparable to their defense 10 years ago where they just had a bunch of Guys of the same size. The legion of Boom. Well, this year, Nick. Nicki Minwari, Devin Witherspoon, Byron Murphy was on that. Is on that team. Right. But like, they just.

[Jason]

What they do, what they do. That team was different and we want to get to the football, but they, they basically played a man to man that could look like a three deep just because of how they could stick guys. And they was effectively. It was like a hybrid man zone.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, they're. They're fast. And Toronto's. Toronto's f. Toronto also.

[Jason]

They. Like I was saying with the Bulls before about how they, they don't understand spacing defensively. Toronto's always aware of where everybody else is in the defense that you. You don't. When they trap and recover, there's. There's no extra steps to get back to that space.

[Dan Bernstein]

Darko Rakovic can coach.

[Jason]

Yeah, I can. Yeah, I can.

[Dan Bernstein]

And they're, they're disciplined and they got Nick Richards his head. It was that. That was interesting. He's bad, but I like him.

[Jason]

He can't catch.

[Dan Bernstein]

He can't catch. He can jump though, but he's.

[Jason]

He's got Simpkins level hands.

[Dan Bernstein]

He has bad hands.

[Jason]

I know your. Your bad hands. Bulls comp immediately.

[Dan Bernstein]

Tony Bradley, right? They're not quite that bad. That was. That was another level.

[Jason]

God, Jordan used to give Dickie Simpkins so much shit over his bad hands. And like in practices, he would fire passes to him, just bounce off of him just because Jordan would torture him. And like, even during games, if it was garbage time, Jordan would make fun of Dickey Simpkins. Cause he. What did he call? Was it canoe paddles or something like that or like pencils.

[Dan Bernstein]

Did you ask Jordan about it?

[Jason]

No. Jordan always used to game.

[Dan Bernstein]

We should get Jordan on the pod.

[Jason]

He was so ruthless on guys who couldn't play. He was so ruthless and like the nicknames he'd give out. But yeah, fellas, he was. He was not nice to Dickie Simpkins for his inability to catch. And that's. That's what your guy's doing. I know you loved it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Really?

[Jason]

That guy's good. You love bums, man. Your guy Dillingham sucks.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, I disagree. I agree that Richard sucks. I don't think Dillingham sucks.

[Jason]

He's fast. What else does he do?

[Dan Bernstein]

Give him time. Let him be fast.

[Jason]

He's a fast guy. He's a little fast guy.

[Dan Bernstein]

Let him be coached. Emmanuel quickly. Just. Let me just put that name out there. Okay. Kentucky guard, who's only 6:1, needed to get in the weight room their rookie year.

[Jason]

Yeah, but also quickley and he understands the decent.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's been in the, in the league for five years.

[Jason]

It's the understanding of deceleration and it's quickly.

[Dan Bernstein]

Has been in the league for five years.

[Jason]

Okay, okay. I, I just don't. When he runs pick and roll, when Dillingham runs pick and roll, he can turn the corner like he's the he. I don't worry about his quickness. It's, it's when it's how to feel the defender on his back. You know, once he clears the.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's basically his rookie year. He didn't play at all last year or this year up until this point.

[Jason]

I won't close the book on him then but I, I, he should play all every time. I don't know what they were doing yesterday.

[Dan Bernstein]

They had trained. I think, I think Dillingham should start. I think, I think you give him every chance.

[Jason]

They had Dillingham and Tre Jones out there together and they were looking at each other like who you? Me? Who's the two guard out here?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, this roster sucks.

[Jason]

Oh, it's awful. And Colin, Colin Saxton, he just gets in the game and there he goes. He is everywhere all at once doing everything.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's kind of cute. I like Colin Saxton.

[Jason]

Well, he had a, there was a great cutaway.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, what he on the push off? Yeah.

[Jason]

He threw two elbows, two into his defender. Two of them. And they're like, they're like that's an offensive foul. And they cut to him and he's like. Well he looks up in the replay and goes yeah, yeah, I guess kind of maybe you got me on that one. I guess I did hit him.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's a very honest guy.

[Jason]

Yeah. And then and Stacy said that that's a guy that could help a team win a championship. Coming off the bench and just playing really hard.

[Dan Bernstein]

Not with this team.

[Jason]

Oh, they can't. No nothing.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't think Stacy's, I don't think Stacy's wrong. I think on the right team could

[Jason]

be, you know, hey, and much, much credit to Stacy there where even if I disagree with him and I do disagree with him on a lot of

[Dan Bernstein]

stuff about it's so nice just not to hear simple game anymore though I'll

[Jason]

say that now that V is gone he can't do the V stuff but I, but whether agree or disagree, Stacy has real basketball sensibilities and, and, and, and when they get offended, he'll show you, he will tell you and he's got some old school stuff that I think he should be kind of open to a little more modern understanding. But his principles are rock solid and he knows basketball. And when guys are out there either being lazy or not busting their ass back or not reading an action on a break correctly and taking the right angles, he will show you. And there's been a lot of that. So I'd say let's. I want to hear the teaching. I want to hear more of that because there's been some stuff and his point about practicing that, this, that. And they've been talking a lot about load management and guys who take games off and why they take games off and who doesn't take games off and how important availability is. And a lot of it has to do with. With hard practices, getting your body right and understanding the difference between being hurt and injured. And I'm. I'm interested in hearing some of that stuff too, as these games go on.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Now we have to talk about Jaden Ivy, because when we last left you at episode 132, I think you said it. I said it. That he looks done. Toast. Whatever. I don't know. They might have traded for damaged goods. There was. He passed a physical. So a couple things have to happen here because we know what happened when the Bulls traded Kobe White. And they're like. He's like, yeah, my calf hurts. Like we give us a draft pick back. Because I want to know what exactly was disclosed to the Bulls about this injury, about what rehabilitation is going to exist down the road because he all of a sudden plays normal minutes and then he's out with an unspecified injury and he's. He's babbling about God knows what. The old. Don't say that Ji is dead.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, dad, dad, dad, dad.

[Jason]

What?

[Dan Bernstein]

I think. I think that's really disrespectful.

[Jason]

I think I didn't understand any. What is he talking about?

[Dan Bernstein]

I think. I think. I think what he's saying is that I think he's depressed. Honestly. Well, I think that's the.

[Jason]

You can't diagnose somebody like.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, but it sound. It sounded sad and it sound. I don't want to say desperate, but he said, I'm not the same player I used to be. That's why I'm not the Ji used to be. The old Ji is dead. And then he said something about he's alive in Christ, you know?

[Jason]

Yeah. But I would have liked that scouting report before you trade for him. If the old Ji is dead, I'm not the same player I was. Then the team's got to disclose that. Or you got to go back and say, we're adjusting the trade after the fact, because if. If he can't get some of this back, that's not an NBA player.

[Dan Bernstein]

No. It's really scary. I just. I. I feel bad for him more than I do, more than I care about the Bulls themselves, but that's fine.

[Jason]

But we're not doing a Jaden Ivy Life podcast.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't care. I don't care. I. Dad, I don't care. I think you're. I think you're. You're going over this point without thinking of the root issue here. And I also think that part of it could be the Bulls, because the Bulls completely screwed this up. They made Ivy feel worse when he was. But he was. He came in here expecting to have a big role and a guy that should be a part of their future because the Bulls thought that he could get back to his old self. And if Ivy's saying this, I think the Bulls. The Bulls themselves could be hurting his confidence. There was. After the Pistons game, he. He went up to his old teammates and was talking, and there was a video of him doing that, and he went up to Kate Cunningham. They dapped up, and Cunningham was walking away. Ivy looks at Cunningham, and somebody read his lips, and it looked like he said, I need you right now. And he stayed with him and talked to him for a second, like, said. Some, like, whispered to him. And so that's, like. That's really scary. And I. I just. I feel so bad for him that the injury happened and that he thinks that he can't get back to where he used to be.

[Jason]

That's. That's fine. I admire your empathy, but my concern as far as what we're doing is concerned right now is 4 bulls fucked it up. Yeah. Did they? I want to. If they did, I want to know what they were told and how they decided to see what they wanted to see and. Or their doctors, when they passed him. Their own doctors did this physical because you can rescind any trade if somebody fails a physical.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, the Bulls doctors are terrible.

[Jason]

And that's the reputation around the league. And I don't. I don't know them individually. I know around the league.

[Dan Bernstein]

Why is everybody getting a calf strain? Why was Jalen Smith out this game?

[Jason]

Well, that's every team. That's not just the Bulls. That's every. That. That's every team.

[Dan Bernstein]

And I know Simon's. I'm not. I'm Simon's. I'm not going to blame his injury. I'm not going to blame his injury on the staff. That was just like a. What was that? A wrist, a hand, thumb thing?

[Jason]

He hurt his wrist. But the fracture that they found was old. It had been there a while.

[Dan Bernstein]

So that's another thing.

[Jason]

They say that that's fine, that that fracture is an old fracture that had been. But. But the new injury is independent of that fracture. I don't know if they came up in the physical when they matched that.

[Dan Bernstein]

And even this. I hope that this situation, if they get a top pick, isn't like a quarterback going to the New York jets

[Jason]

or the Raiders wrap around the league with the Bulls is not great when it comes to this stuff. Players talk, man. Players talk. And it goes back through Lu. All Deng and the spinal tap and active rest and all of the. The cross sellers. Jerry, he's not a doctor.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay, Michael, I don't. I don't care.

[Jason]

I'm just. I'm telling you that for whatever their reputation is and fair or not, and whether or not these things have stuck to them and I don't know who they've changed over in on what staff, but it is something that has dogged the Bulls when players talk to players about where to go and where not to go. And there are some who say there's some within this league. There are people who say avoid Chicago because of the medical issues that they've had.

[Dan Bernstein]

And again, it makes you respect Vucc even more for playing as much as he did and being a real professional in this organization. If it's that bad for him to stick it out and still say nice things about the team.

[Jason]

Yeah. And again, everybody's. I'm not reporting anything here. I'm reporting that they have some sort of issue or they're staffed wrong or they're set up wrong.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right. You're just saying their reputation.

[Jason]

Yeah. And whether it's completely deserved or not, because it goes back a long time, but that's been out there a while. And all of this new stuff does nothing to help them dig out from that.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

And it makes. It makes it easy to keep putting things in that bucket when it comes to the Bulls and their reputation around the league, which matters when it comes time for, you know, people wanting to play for you, it really does. I mean, ultimately, maybe you have to overpay to get the same person you otherwise would, but it's. It's something the Bulls have been fighting for a long time and they haven't Done themselves any favors in trying to dig out of some of this. This stuff. And you know what? And I have to add that the Zach Collins issue about when he was advised to have surgery is another open question.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. It's going to hurt him this offseason.

[Jason]

Yes. Now you've got a.

[Dan Bernstein]

In the prime of his career, money

[Jason]

that's like, yeah, in the prime of his career, he is having surgery this late in a season, and he's going to be getting rehab when all the money is being. Being doled out. And had. They told him weeks ago and said, you know, if you really want to take care of yourself and be ready, you know, this is. We're going to give you all the options here and allow you, as the patient, you can pick an option.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right. Because what's the best possible thing that would happen? Say he got healthy and started playing. Nothing. Nobody gives a shit. Like, tell him, hey, man, we're not going anywhere this year. In fact, we're trying to fucking lose. So therefore, get the surgery now. Get healthy before the offseason. Make some money in a place where you can. Where your contributions will be valued.

[Jason]

There may be a more diplomatic way to phrase it, but no.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, No, I don't care. I don't care. This is America.

[Jason]

Stop it.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm Randy Marsh. Oh, this is America. The baseball episode where he gets drunk and fights everyone, where all the teams

[Jason]

are trying to lose.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes, yes, that's the Bulls right now.

[Jason]

But it's. But the players don't want to lose.

[Dan Bernstein]

Correct.

[Jason]

Players don't tank. Coaches don't tank.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jason]

Well, coaches instructed by their front offices, Utah.

[Dan Bernstein]

God, this team just sucks

[Jason]

having a crash out.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, you were crashing out earlier because you couldn't fix your mic and you delayed us by 20 minutes.

[Jason]

I wouldn't sound like that.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, you do.

[Jason]

All right, fine. Whatever.

[Dan Bernstein]

And every. My crash out sound like your crash outs. And now everybody in the comments on YouTube is just gonna be, Jason sounds so much like his old man.

[Jason]

I don't think you do.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, everyone thinks I do. I. Our speech patterns are similar, but I don't think we sound similar. But everyone says we do.

[Jason]

I don't think so. Yeah, you know, my parents said that we do.

[Dan Bernstein]

I hate to say it, but your parents are not the youngest people in the world.

[Jason]

Well, usually when I. Well, I'll call home and my mom picks up. She thinks I'm my dad. Like that. I get. I think I sound more like him, especially on the phone, than you do like me.

[Dan Bernstein]

I understand. That, and I don't think I sound like Papa at all.

[Jason]

No, you don't.

[Dan Bernstein]

No. Maybe I will eventually. Which is not a bad thing at all.

[Jason]

No, believe me, you should aspire to that instead of trying to sound like me. You don't wander around making penis jokes for a living. No, actually, maybe you would.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's a fun life. Could be worse.

[Jason]

That's true. Oh, meanwhile, did I tell you this? Did we? I should let the listener know my great aunt just died at age 100.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wait, what? You didn't tell me.

[Jason]

I told you Aunt Sai died.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right. You did. No.

[Jason]

Yes, I did.

[Dan Bernstein]

When?

[Jason]

When did she die? Last week.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, but what did you tell me?

[Jason]

I told you when she died. Mom sent a group text out.

[Dan Bernstein]

I.

[Jason]

You knew she died, right?

[Dan Bernstein]

I guess I didn't read it.

[Jason]

All right. She was a hundred years old.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oops. And am I a bad, great, great nephew. Nephew. Whatever.

[Jason]

Yeah, you are. You're a great, great nephew.

[Dan Bernstein]

Thank you.

[Jason]

I didn't say you were a good son or anything.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's a great nephew. Just not one of mine.

[Jason]

Love him like a brother. But. But they. So they were clustered around her bed, and her last words. This is. This is so awesome.

[Dan Bernstein]

Fairs hurt.

[Jason]

Their last words was a question about DJ Moore's effort level.

[Dan Bernstein]

No,

[Jason]

her last words were, well, at least I was entertaining. Is that great? Is that great?

[Dan Bernstein]

That's legendary.

[Jason]

You live a hundred years and you talk about a mic drop surrounded by loving family. That's a way to go out. And it's just. It just. Well, at least I was entertaining.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's a way to go out.

[Jason]

Gonzo. It's just like, yeah, there's a great mic.

[Dan Bernstein]

She rode a blazing saddle.

[Jason]

Did I ever show you the Mike Royko column that was written about her

[Dan Bernstein]

getting into a fight? Now, are we just on Dan Bernstein? Did I show you this? Did I tell you this?

[Jason]

Did I. I don't know, because I forget what I've said. So.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, because the Bulls just absolutely blow and everything sucks and doom spiraling is okay. The only thing we can be happy about is the fact that we might get AJ debonza.

[Jason]

They're losing. We should be incredibly happy about that. Don't lose sight of this. They're finally doing it.

[Dan Bernstein]

The things that. After what you. But after what you told me about the organization. Are the Bulls going to ruin AJ DeBonsa? Are they going to ruin Darren Peterson, who might already be ruined because of whatever the hell is going on with his Dr. DNP?

[Jason]

I'm not ready to go There. I'm not ready to go there yet. It was Dr. DNP after run DMC.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, I don't know. I just said Dr. DNP.

[Jason]

I like it though. That's the guy. That's the doctor you don't want to see around. You don't want to see Dr. DNP back there because bad things happen. You miss a lot of time.

[Dan Bernstein]

But I like watching him when he's on the floor.

[Jason]

And Dr. Rasmussen, you don't want to see Dr. Rasmussen.

[Dan Bernstein]

The hot beef injection. Right.

[Jason]

I love you. You knew it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, I saw your tribute to Terry and I went back and listened. After he passed, I watched some of the old. There were some old clips on YouTube with a bunch of Terry Isms. And that was.

[Jason]

Yeah, that was one. He only had one treatment that no matter what you had, whatever ailed you, you go to Dr. Ras.

[Dan Bernstein]

Maybe the Bull, maybe the Bulls need some hot beef injections.

[Jason]

Then the good. Then good Dr. R is going to be around better than Dr. DNP. I will tell you that.

[Dan Bernstein]

The Bulls have a lot of Dr. DNPs on their team. So too many, too many, too many DMPs need more hot beef injections.

[Jason]

Keep losing, keep losing, keep losing. And if you can get AJ DeVonta or Boozer or Peterson or Wilson, Caleb Wilson or somebody. Did you watch him on the bench the other night?

[Dan Bernstein]

Wilson?

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Jason]

Who were they playing? Louisville. They were winning and he was. He wasn't playing in the game. He wouldn't sit down.

[Dan Bernstein]

Good.

[Jason]

He was just constantly like jumping and pointing defensively. You over here.

[Dan Bernstein]

You go over here. Yeah.

[Jason]

He knew every play. He just seemed like he was so stir crazy, so miserable not playing that I'm like, well, if you're. I hope you don't have a lower body injury. You're jumping around a lot out there, young man.

[Dan Bernstein]

Like Roma Dunes A.

[Jason]

Not quite. Not quite like Rome. Okay, let's do the showdown. What do you say? Sure. Okay. Good.

[Dan Bernstein]

Law.

[Jason]

Okay, it's time for the showdown. And mine, mine is out of nowhere and really weird. So you go first.

[Dan Bernstein]

Asps. You go first. You go first. So in NBA history, there are 16 players that are in the top 100 in four or more career statistics. And those are points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks. Four of the 16 players are currently active. I want to see if you can get the active guys and then see how many of the rest of the 12 you can get. Okay.

[Jason]

Four active, 12 in the top 16.

[Dan Bernstein]

So they're only in the top. Hold on. Top 100 statistical categories. So they have to be in four of. At least four of the five statistical categories. Okay.

[Jason]

At least four of the five total. This is not average. This is just total counting stats.

[Dan Bernstein]

Correct. And four of these guys are active. So do you understand what I'm saying?

[Jason]

Yes. Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

LeBron. LeBron is on there, and he's. He's in all of them.

[Jason]

Harden.

[Dan Bernstein]

No. Good guess, though. I guess Harden as well.

[Jason]

Okay. Durant.

[Dan Bernstein]

Kevin Durant is there.

[Jason]

Durant, Chris Paul.

[Dan Bernstein]

Nope. Well, he's not active anymore.

[Jason]

He's technically active.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's not. He's not on this, and I thought he would be as well.

[Jason]

Westbrook.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. Russell Westbrook. That's three, and you got one more. And I had. I had multiple guesses for this one, but I eventually got it.

[Jason]

So where do they have to be ranked?

[Dan Bernstein]

There's 16 players, so top 100 in at least four of the five, like, major statistical categories.

[Jason]

All right, so there's only one more, and it's not Harden.

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Jason]

Well, that makes it considerably more difficult.

[Dan Bernstein]

I wouldn't say so.

[Jason]

You wouldn't. Is it Jokic?

[Dan Bernstein]

No. That's a great guess. I guessed Jokic before I guessed this guy. But you're. You know.

[Jason]

Okay, so is it Giannis?

[Dan Bernstein]

It is Giannis Ono De Campo. He's only been playing since 2013, so pretty.

[Jason]

Pretty impressive. So my misses were Jokic and Harden.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

LeBron, Durant.

[Dan Bernstein]

So now you got 12 guys that have retired that are also on this list. And I just. I just want to see if you want to. However many you want to go for. Kareem. Kareem. Yes. Kareem is on there.

[Jason]

Oscar Robertson.

[Dan Bernstein]

Nope. Because I'll say this, a lot of the old guys. I don't know if these stats are being counted. Huh?

[Jason]

Oh, oh, sure. Cuz blocks weren't counted.

[Dan Bernstein]

Ren. So, like, Wilt. It. Wilt is not on here.

[Jason]

Okay. All right, so it's much more modern.

[Dan Bernstein]

Kareem is. Is the oldest player on this list.

[Jason]

Akeem.

[Dan Bernstein]

Akeem Olajuan is on this list. So that's two.

[Jason]

Did Jordan make it?

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Jason]

No. Okay. No, he wouldn't.

[Dan Bernstein]

Jordan. Jordan. Not on this list. No.

[Jason]

That's why I was. I didn't think so. How about Magic?

[Dan Bernstein]

Magic is also not on this list, which I was very surprised by.

[Jason]

The top 100. So it's probably skewed toward the present.

[Dan Bernstein]

There are a few of these guys definitely retired more recently. Most of these guys either retired in the 90s or 2000s.

[Jason]

Trying to get big minute guys.

[Dan Bernstein]

So you got two right now, is Dirk on there? Dirk Nowitzki. Correct.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right.

[Jason]

This is. This is. This is going to be really hard to get together.

[Dan Bernstein]

I can. Whenever you're ready. I can.

[Jason]

Kareem. I've got Aem.

[Dan Bernstein]

I've got Dirk, Kareem, Akeem, Dirk.

[Jason]

And I'm sure there's some. There's got to be guards because of assistant steals. Jason Kidd.

[Dan Bernstein]

Jason Kidd, good name. Yes. Jason Kidd is on there.

[Jason]

Okay. How about Nash?

[Dan Bernstein]

No, I guess Steve Nash, but he's not.

[Jason]

Well, I guess. Right. Because there's only three. He wouldn't be on there for rebounds or blocks.

[Dan Bernstein]

There aren't really any more true point guards on this list. Like guard guards. Most of these guys are forwards or big. All these guys are forwards or big men.

[Jason]

Is Grant Hill on there?

[Dan Bernstein]

Grant Hill is not on here. There are some bigger names that you're missing than Grant.

[Jason]

Oh, I'm sure there are, but I'm just trying to. How about. No, no, no, no. Because Carmelo.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, knock me.

[Jason]

Wouldn't be just, I guess, him scorer. All right, go ahead. I mean, if I had all day, I would sit here and get these.

[Dan Bernstein]

So you got four of them, right? You got Kid.

[Jason]

There's eight Dual.

[Dan Bernstein]

Jabbar, Aki and. And who else? And Dirk. And Dirk. So the rest are Larry Bird.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Kevin Garnett, Carl Malone. Should have gotten that one.

[Jason]

Probably gotten that one yet.

[Dan Bernstein]

For sure.

[Jason]

I should get all these.

[Dan Bernstein]

Robert Parrish.

[Jason]

Counting Set.

[Dan Bernstein]

Paul Pierce. Wow. Scotty Pippen. This one.

[Jason]

Jordan. So Pippin's on this list and Jordan isn't. Correct.

[Dan Bernstein]

I think you probably should have gotten this one. David Robinson.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

You ready for this last one?

[Jason]

Is it going to be like Alvin Robertson or something? Somebody.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's not a name I would have expected.

[Jason]

Not ready.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's like. It's like kind of like the Thaddeus Young thing when he's on all those graphics.

[Jason]

Okay. Is it. It's somebody I covered. Right. So somebody played.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, he played from. He. He was very, very popular in the 2000s. Retired in 2015.

[Jason]

Like McGrady?

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Ready?

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Sean Marion.

[Jason]

Let's go. The Matrix.

[Dan Bernstein]

The Matrix, Yeah. I thought there's a pretty fun question.

[Jason]

Sean Marion is in the top 100 in four of those five categories in NBA history.

[Dan Bernstein]

He is. He is 90th in points, 44th in rebounds, 21st in steals and 62nd in blocks.

[Jason]

Will you email this to me?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. It was a sporkle quiz. Yeah.

[Jason]

All right.

[Dan Bernstein]

I also just took a picture of it. I took a Picture of it.

[Jason]

So I just text it to me. That is really cool.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's a really fun one.

[Jason]

Your question is way better than mine. But I just. I just saw it and I just kind of laughed.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Jason]

So the other night, KAWHI Leonard scored 20 points, which ran his season streak of consecutive 20 point games to 36.

[Dan Bernstein]

Wow.

[Jason]

And that tied him for second in franchise history. Franchise history for such a streak.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Who did he tie and who is number. Who is number one? He still.

[Dan Bernstein]

Does this include the Braves?

[Jason]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Bob McAdoo is going to be there. Yes. Is he number one?

[Jason]

Bob McAdoo's number one and tied.

[Dan Bernstein]

I would say it could be Blake Griffin, but I doubt it is.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Is it Blake Griffin?

[Jason]

No.

[Dan Bernstein]

Is it Corey McGetty? Chris Paul? Nope. Norm Nixon?

[Jason]

No.

[Dan Bernstein]

DeAndre Jordan? No. I don't think Jamal Crawford or Lou Williams would have done that.

[Jason]

This guy did it before. Okay. I think this was. It was. This is in between. They had left Buffalo, but they weren't in LA yet.

[Dan Bernstein]

Houston, right?

[Jason]

Nope.

[Dan Bernstein]

San Diego. Yes.

[Jason]

Yes. San Diego Clippers. I believe he did this in 1979. 1980.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, God.

[Jason]

This is like the death zone for some NBA stars.

[Dan Bernstein]

One of you're going to say the name and I'll know it, but I will tell you.

[Jason]

He began his career under one name and changed his name legally by the time he finished his career.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, is it like World Be Free?

[Jason]

It is World B Free. It is. It is Lloyd Bernard Free who became World B Free

[Dan Bernstein]

Bomber. I knew he was a Clipper at some point. I always used to get World Be Free, Sleepy Floyd and Tiny Archibald confused.

[Jason]

Okay. I can see how somebody your age would.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. 2K. But. Yeah, but thank you for. Thank you for that clue.

[Jason]

World Be Free is the.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's.

[Jason]

He's. So he has tied him. Now the other.

[Dan Bernstein]

I wish it was Corey Magetty because that would have been a snipe and I think he could be on there somewhere.

[Jason]

But I had a second part of this question only because when I looked this up, I thought, all right, let me. I was looking at Bob McAdoo's comps dog.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Oh, yeah, Unc. I mean, come on.

[Jason]

But can you he. One of his comps is a current player. And I looked, I was like, okay, all right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Because a multiple time all star.

[Jason]

It is his. It is his number four comp. Just so you know, his number one is Willis Reed. His number two is Zelmo Beatty.

[Dan Bernstein]

I was actually having a conversation about Willis Reed the other day and his

[Jason]

number four comp is actually DeAndre Jordan.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, why'd you tell me? You just told me.

[Jason]

No, the number three comp, okay. Is the one I want you to get.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. Because number four is technically still active. Right, but so is number three a multiple time all star?

[Jason]

He has been an all star multiple times. Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

NBA champion? No. Is he old?

[Jason]

No.

[Dan Bernstein]

Really? Really? MVP candidate? Um,

[Jason]

yeah, he has been. Let me see where he's finished in voting. But he has been. No, he's never gotten MVP votes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Carl Anthony Towns.

[Jason]

Yes. Bang. God damn it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Bang. Bang. Hold it. Let's go. I ball knowledge. I am so damn good at my job. I am so good. Ah. Ah. This fires me up. Ugh. This is my cocaine. This is amazing. Give me that.

[Jason]

Give me that. It is certainly less expensive. I can say that.

[Dan Bernstein]

How would you know?

[Jason]

You've made a very, very. Although apparently the whole war on fentanyl, all it's done is driven down cocaine prices. So you know, if you are in the market, I apparently.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh shit.

[Jason]

Don't check in with El Mencho. Cause he's busy. El Mencho has other things going on.

[Dan Bernstein]

I just felt. I felt that Carl Anthony Townspool. Deep in my plums.

[Jason]

All right, we're calling it. That's it. We're good. That's it. That is.

[Dan Bernstein]

God, I'm so good.

[Jason]

Organizations win championships. We're going to work on Jason's self confidence when we blow it out your ass, Howard. That has been episode 133 of OWC on 312 Sports Organizations Win Championships. A Chicago Bulls podcast with Jason and

[Dan Bernstein]

dan Bernstein on 312 Sports.

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