We Love Caleb Williams… But Let’s Talk About This

Summary

Dan Bernstein Unfiltered

Episode: "We Love Caleb Williams… But Let’s Talk About This"

Host: Dan Bernstein | Producer/Co-Host: Matt “Maddie” Abbatacola

Date: March 19, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into two primary topics:

1. The controversy around Chicago Bears QB Caleb Williams’ move to trademark the term “Iceman,” touching off a spirited debate about sports culture, generational legacy, and the murky world of trademarks in athletics.
2. Sharp analysis of recent March Madness games—including a critique of Miami of Ohio’s attitude after their play-in win—and broader sports headlines, including a health update on NBA star Cade Cunningham and a deep dive into Rory McIlroy’s Masters Champions Dinner menu.

Throughout, Dan and Maddie bring their trademark Chicago sports honesty, generational perspective, and abundant pop-culture references.

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1. Caleb Williams and the "Iceman" Trademark Debate

[00:29–17:31]

Main Points:

• The News: Caleb Williams, star Bears QB, has filed multiple trademark applications for “Iceman” (including a logo silhouette of his famous off-balance throw), intending to use it across a range of merchandise.
• Dan's Reaction: Deep conflict and nostalgia, as the nickname "Iceman" has long been synonymous with NBA legend George Gervin.

Discussion Breakdown:

• Dan details the trademark process and lists the wide array of products Williams intends to brand with "Iceman"—everything from eyewear and computer software to apparel and sports equipment ([03:12]).
• Maddie expresses instant distaste for the move, particularly as a fan who already owns “Iceman” merch from Top Gun.
• Dan and Maddie reflect on the iconic George Gervin “Iceman” poster and question whether Williams has (or should seek) Gervin’s blessing ([05:26]):

  “If somehow this makes George Gervin unhappy, I need that resolved. There’s a disturbance in the force.” – Dan ([06:26])

• Maddie lists "Three Points" against the move:
  1. Top Gun's “Iceman” identity (“I just ordered this off EightiesTees.com…” [08:03])
  2. Turning a celebrated sports meme moment into a Jumpman-style brand feels wrong.
  3. The unique legacy of George Gervin is being muddied ([08:35–09:15]).
• The conversation turns playful and meta-legal, with musings about possible conflicts with Top Gun intellectual property and the originality of the “ice-cold” motif, which both note comes via football (Williams) and soccer (Cole Palmer) ([10:11–10:24]).
• Dan tries to clarify realistic trademark limits (“I don’t think that Caleb Williams is going to take away a theater’s ability to stage The Iceman Cometh…” [10:43]).
• They riff on the ownership of fictional “Iceman” identities (Top Gun’s Tom Kazanski), and who might have a legal or moral stake ([12:03–13:52]).
• Conclusion: Both agree the move feels disrespectful to Gervin, and Maddie’s even more frustrated that meme moments are now instantly monetized ([14:55–15:35]).

  “You won that game, but you…were one of the 31 teams that failed.” – Maddie ([15:36])

Notable Quotes:

• “If it’s okay with [George Gervin], I’m cool. But if somehow this makes George Gervin unhappy, I need that resolved.” – Dan ([06:26])
• “Jumpman is Michael Jordan’s thing. I thought it was a cute and respectful meme and story in the moment, but not to live on forever and beyond that.” – Maddie ([15:12])

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2. March Madness: Miami of Ohio's Attitude Problem

[23:12–34:27]

Main Points:

• Both Dan and Maddie praise Miami of Ohio's up-tempo Princeton-style offense, but are critical of the team’s (and their athletic department's) brash attitude after their play-in win against SMU.
• The pair argue that Miami missed an opportunity to become a beloved “Cinderella” story by taking a chip-on-the-shoulder, “us against the world” stance.

Discussion Breakdown:

• Dan notes: “You can’t be a Cinderella and be assholes. You’ve got to pick one.” ([23:23])
• Maddie brings receipts on Miami's weak conference schedule and their AD’s off-putting media blitz; he recaps their postgame attitude:

  “You didn’t prove shit. You beat the SMU Mustangs. They were under .500 for the year. I mean, come on.” – Maddie ([26:07])

• Dan and Maddie agree Miami could have leaned into the underdog role, celebrated their players, and enjoyed the ride, but instead alienated potential fans ([29:33–31:31]).

  “I want to like them…Just don’t make me dislike you. Well, too late.” – Dan and Maddie ([29:04–29:22])

• Comparisons are drawn to beloved past Cinderellas—Northern Iowa, Valpo's Bryce Drew, Florida Gulf Coast (“Dunk City”)—who made the tourney fun.
• Maddie: “You had an opportunity to really shine a positive light on your program…you had a chance to get a lot of extra fans…” ([33:37–34:27])

Notable Quotes:

• “You can’t be a Cinderella and be assholes.” – Dan ([23:23])
• “You had an opportunity to get a lot of extra fans… and I think they blew it.” – Maddie ([33:46])

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3. NBA News: Cade Cunningham Health Scare

[37:05–44:18]

Main Points:

• Dan covers the news of Detroit Pistons star Cade Cunningham’s mild collapsed lung, its impact on the playoff race, and implications for MVP odds.
• Maddie provides some quick medical context on pneumothorax (collapsed lung)—grades, recovery times, and likely prognosis.

Discussion Breakdown:

• Dan is skeptical about how a collapsed lung could be “mild,” but notes Cunningham is expected to return for the playoffs ([38:41–39:19]).
• Maddie reads through medical definitions, while Dan jokes about infamous team doctors.
• Quick riff on how this impacts Detroit’s playoff run and Cunningham’s stat-line/MVP odds ([39:46–40:20]).
• Both hope for a quick recovery.

  “It’s not fun to catch one of those things. But…so great.” – Dan on eating fresh-caught yellowfin, echoing the theme of pride in “authenticity” throughout the episode ([60:25–60:27])

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4. Bulls, NBA Playoffs & The Tanking Debate

[44:18–48:49]

Main Points:

• Dan roleplays as a Bulls PR defender, explaining why maintaining a “winning culture” may take precedence over incremental odds in the draft lottery, given the depth of the upcoming NBA draft.
• Maddie lists prospects he likes—Darius Acuff, Kingston Fleming – and both reminisce about favorite Bulls of years past.

  “If after the fact, they end up with the sixth pick and they get Nate Ament or Mikel Brown Jr. or Darius Acuff, one of these guys…there’s a lot of good players in there.” – Dan ([47:44])

• Both stress the youthfulness of this year’s NBA/college prospects and the fun of the scouting process.

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5. Sports/Pop Culture Detour: Rory McIlroy’s Masters Dinner Menu

[50:41–60:38]

Main Points:

• Dan and Maddie enthusiastically review Rory McIlroy's 2026 Masters Champions Dinner menu, complete with commentary on each dish and the connections to Rory’s personal history.
• Highlights:
  • Tuna carpaccio gets five stars from both.
  • Speculation on wine pairings and traditional Irish dishes.
• Maddie shares anecdotes about yellowfin tuna carpaccio and a country singer/farmer guest from “From the 50.”
• Playful sidebar: Dan admits the show often leaves listeners hungry.

Notable Quotes:

• “If someone’s leaving the kitchen with the tuna carpaccio, I’m sniping them. I’m thinking like a fish on a reef.” – Dan ([59:09])

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6. Housekeeping & Upcoming Content

[62:23–66:21]

• Maddie is taking a vacation; upcoming DBU episodes will feature longform interviews with special guests.
• Teaser for “Friday Feedback”—Dan’s “Top 10 Favorite Bad Chicago Bears” is sure to spark debate.
• Self-aware banter on podcast vs. radio teasing, and an acknowledgment of Bernstein’s history of controversial Bears fandom picks.

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Memorable Quotes and Moments

• On generational sports culture:
  “I’m speaking for Generation X…” – Dan, staking out his ground in the Iceman debate ([05:25])
• On fan favorites and attitude:
  “You could be the Bryce Drew Valpo team…You could be the Northern Iowa team. Why not?” – Dan ([32:07])
• On tanking vs. culture in sports:
  “I thought about how I would do it…If hired to argue their case, what I would say is…” – Dan as “Arturas Karnisovas PR guy” ([44:18])
• Pop culture riffing:
  “Fat man in a little coat.” – Chris Farley reference ([51:30])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Caleb Williams “Iceman” Trademark Debate: [00:29–17:31]
• March Madness, Miami of Ohio Rant: [23:12–34:27]
• Cade Cunningham Injury/Medical Explainer: [37:05–44:18]
• Bulls/Lottery/Tanking Segment: [44:18–48:49]
• Rory McIlroy’s Champions Dinner Menu: [50:41–60:38]
• Show Business & Teasers: [62:23–66:21]

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Conclusion

This episode is a perfect blend of deep-dive sports commentary, Chicago nostalgia, generational perspective, and playful tangents into pop culture and food. Dan and Maddie’s candor on tricky topics (player branding, team attitude, and tanking) is matched by their deep love for sports history and Chicago fandom.

Recommended for:
Chicago sports fans, those curious about sports marketing/culture wars, and anyone who appreciates the blend of sports, pop culture, and a good debate!

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Quotables Recap

• “You can’t be a Cinderella and be assholes.” – Dan ([23:23])
• “If somehow this makes George Gervin unhappy, I need that resolved.” – Dan ([06:26])
• “You won that game, but you were one of the 31 teams that failed.” – Maddie ([15:36])
• “If someone’s leaving the kitchen with the tuna carpaccio, I’m sniping them…like a barracuda.” – Dan ([59:09])

Transcript

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[Dan Bernstein]

term supply Dan Bernstein unfiltered unfiltered on 31 2. Sports DBU on 31 2. And we are brought to you in partnership with my bookie and during this whole tournament we are brought to you by our friends at Giordano's as well. Very excited about the tournament starting today. And the the only thing that trumps my basketball feelings right now is it's actually a business story. But I've got a lot of thoughts on this. Cause I think this is kind of a big deal. Okay. It blindsided me and when I first heard it, I said, first of all, oh, that's pretty cool. And then I thought, well, no it's not. And I'm twisted in knots about this story because I like everybody involved and I'm conflicted and my mind is a sea of uncertainty and conflict and I need resolution to this. Allow me to explain. Caleb Williams has applied for multiple trademark protections regarding the term Iceman. And yes, we're going to go where you think I'm going to go on this, Maddie, but Iceman, one word. I C E M A N is Caleb Williams is doing everything he can do to own it. A search of the US Patent and Trademark Office done by. This is the Pro Football Talk reporting reports here. Multiple filings were made March 16, that was Monday, with the intent of using the term on the following. Ready? And you have to do this because I recently filed a trademark application as well. So I have been through this with my lawyers because over the last month and a half I am actually doing this for organizations win championships because Jason and I have ownership of that. And so my lawyer's like, you know, you gotta trademark it and you have to do this. You have to file in your filings what you intend to use it for.

[Maddie]

Well, I can just tell you right now I don't like Caleb doing this, but go ahead.

[Dan Bernstein]

I know you don't, but not for the same reason I don't, right?

[Maddie]

No. Because I just ordered something off Eightiestease.com and I'm a little bothered by this.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, Save it. Save it. Okay. This is the US Patent and Trademark Office. Multiple filings by Caleb Williams with the intent of using the term Iceman on the following eyewear, sunglasses, downloadable posters, downloadable computer software featuring digital trading cards, athletic bags, tote bags, backpacks, luggage, water bottles sold empty. I don't know why it has to say that. Sports bottles sold empty. Plastic water bottles sold empty. Mugs, buggers, sweatshirts, shirts, cutthroats, bandits, muggers, buggers. That was actually my second Headley Lamar reference already in this show. Sweatshirts, shirts, T shirts, hats, jerseys, jackets, vests, athletic sporting goods, athletic and sports equipment, footballs and balls for games.

[Maddie]

I don't like it.

[Dan Bernstein]

The Nate. Now wait. The name is tied to the silhouette of Williams mid throw. You remember the one we're talking about?

[Maddie]

The one to Rome or which one?

[Dan Bernstein]

Inspired by a pivotal fourth and eight play during the playoff matchup in Green Bay last season. Because you remember what the memes were.

[Maddie]

Yeah. Jumpman.

[Dan Bernstein]

Huh? Like superimposing the Jumpman. Some compared the image to the Michael Jordan Jumpman logo. And as Mike Florio writes, Jumpman, Iceman. You get the idea. So the applications in. He is going to take that logo of him completely off balance. Like five starred out with his head like this as he's winging that ball down the field to keep the Bears alive in the game that they ended up winning. He's going to immortalize that and monetize that because why should something be immortalized without monetizing it? Now just get. Give up. My issue here is very simple.

[Maddie]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

And those of us of a certain generation which was. I'm speaking for Generation X on a certain end of it. I don't know exactly where I am in Generation X, but I know that George Gervin is the Iceman. And I don't know if he's still going to be the Iceman. There's an actual poster. Because when I see posters on here, there is a poster that we all know of George the Iceman Girvan reclining regally in his actual ice throne as the Iceman. A great poster and he's told the stories about it. I've. I've talked to George Gervin about it. This is only. Okay. And I, you know that I adore Caleb Williams.

[Maddie]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

And wish him nothing but the best.

[Maddie]

But it.

[Dan Bernstein]

But I'm a huge fan of George Gervin. Not to mention his. His end of career stint with your Chicago Bulls. That was memorable. I think he had a 30 something point quarter as a Chicago Bull in 85 when. When Jordan broke his foot and here came George Gervin under a drive. If it's okay with him, I'm cool. But if somehow this makes George Gervin unhappy, I need that resolved. There's a disturbance in the force. There would be something that doesn't sit right in my mind if this made George Gervin unhappy. So either we need to call George and we need to just clear the air. I need to know this is somehow okay with him, or I need to know that there was that Caleb at least had the courtesy to reach out to George Gervin or reach out to his people and say, is this okay that I'm doing this? Do I have your blessing? Can I go ahead and do this with your blessing? Because it just. Out of respect to George Gervin. One athlete to another, one all time great athlete to another. That's a Hall of Famer we're talking about. That. That, that's a dude that was one of the great scorers who ever lived.

[Maddie]

Yeah, I have a. I have three points now that your. Your point was made, by the way. Gen X. I just looked it up. It says 65 to 80.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right. All right.

[Maddie]

So you're towards the beginning part of it. I'm more in the middle. I just ordered this off 80s 80s tees.com to go with my Maverick and Top Gun T shirts. Okay. So that's the first reason I don't like it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Number two, let the record show if you are, if you're listening on AirPods or Spotify, that Matt Abaticola just held up his phone screen showing a T, a blue T shirt that says Iceman in white lettering in the font and logo style of the Top Gun logo itself.

[Maddie]

Yeah. So it goes with my Top Gun shirt that I have like that and then the Maverick shirt that I have like that. But that's. That's point number one. Number two, I don't, I don't like the idea of using that pose. I, I respected it and liked it and really loved it when it was done in comparison on different memes online to Jumpman, I thought that was cool. I don't like trying to monetize off of it just because Jumpman has been there forever. The third point is your point. With George Gervin, like the Iceman and Top Gun and George Iceman Girvin, there was never a conflict there. I don't like this conflict now.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, and I should correct myself. The actual Nike poster doesn't say the Iceman. I thought it did. It just says Iceman in huge block letters. And he's sitting on his ice throne.

[Maddie]

Ice throne. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

With a hand with either of his giant mitts on a silver basketball, while he wears a grayish silver velour tracksuit. And that has. On the left breast, it says ice. And he's got a gold chain on like that. That is an. His legs are crossed, wearing white Nikes with a black swoosh. That. That is iconic.

[Maddie]

Yeah. You know that I. I love Caleb as well.

[Dan Bernstein]

And then who.

[Maddie]

Who did he take the ice. This celebration thing from where he's rubbing his arms? Where's that from?

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, that is a soccer player.

[Maddie]

It's soccer player, right?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes.

[Maddie]

So, I mean, like, how would that impact you, you know, Mr. Lawyer? How would that impact, like, the Top Gun?

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't know. It's British soccer superstar Cole Palmer's signature.

[Maddie]

Yeah, Cole Palmer.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's right. Because it's ice. Because he's ice cold. Yeah.

[Maddie]

How would that impact it?

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't know what his lawyers have told him.

[Maddie]

So, like, this. This company selling these shirts, these 80s T shirts, wouldn't be able to sell that Iceman T shirt.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't. Unless it's all. It has to be with the logo. I mean, look, I was thinking, too, like Eugene o', Neill, who wrote the Iceman Cometh. Yeah. I don't think that Caleb Williams is going to take away a theater's ability to stage that play or use the word Iceman. Like, there's. There's obviously reasonable limits to this. I think had they said that they were trying to copyright this also for use as a drama in staged dramatic realism. I don't think they would do that.

[Maddie]

Well, talk to your lawyer and ask him what the parameters are. Yeah. Do a little work on this instead of just, you know.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, but he's gonna bill me for that.

[Maddie]

No, he's not. Just say you have a question for a friend.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's gonna. It's a. It's billable time.

[Maddie]

If I say, then he can bill your friend.

[Dan Bernstein]

Who, Hubbard?

[Maddie]

No, I'm not.

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Maddie]

How about our community? And then everyone just pitches in. We divide it up evenly.

[Dan Bernstein]

There you go. Share the wealth and share the expenses.

[Maddie]

We can have a answer to this question. You know, people.

[Dan Bernstein]

There we go. We really want. If people want to call us commies and we can finally start the 312Sports Kibbutz. That's it. We all live together, we grow our own food, and we share everything.

[Maddie]

Yeah. Everyone would have to chip in 20 cents maybe a quarter, quarter, who knows?

[Dan Bernstein]

I like your idea, but I am. So we have George Gervin with a, with a, with a claim here that there reasonably could be an adverse position to this taken by George Gervin. I don't know if anything was done ahead of time or that is he or his lawyers thought that they might have to do something like this. Not to mention Tom Iceman Kazanski. He is fictional, but somebody in the Top Gun universe might have a claim to something involving Thomas or. He was Admiral Thomas Kazanski when he died. Right. Didn't he make it to Admiral? Yeah, I know he doesn't. He was.

[Maddie]

He was in charge of the Pacific fleet.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. And I know he doesn't actually, you know, exist, but something could be done on behalf of the fictional character to say, hey ho, it's one of the

[Maddie]

most famous and popular and important fictional characters of the greatest movie series ever created.

[Dan Bernstein]

Who wrote Top Gun?

[Maddie]

That's a good question.

[Dan Bernstein]

Or even the, the base material. Because there'd be something in there perhaps. Right. Top Gun was written by Ehud Yone. The screenplay, Jim Cash and Jack Epps. Jim Cash and Jack Epps Jr. It was an article written in California magazine called Top Guns by Ehudione.

[Maddie]

And then Tony Scott and Simpson and Bruckheimer were involved.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, well there's. And the. The journalist died in 2012, so Ehudione is no longer with us. And here's a story from Variety in 2024. A judge has ruled the Top Gun Maverick did not infringe on an article about Navy fighter pilots that inspired the 1986. So Paramount bought the rights to the article Top Guns in May of 83, but the studio didn't reacquire the rights, which had reverted to Yone's widow and son before releasing the sequel. I did not know that. And they sued, but the judge said any similarities are not protected creative expression under copyright law.

[Maddie]

Oh man, I can't wait for Top Gun 3.

[Dan Bernstein]

Boy. Well, let's the. I want this figured out. I want this to sort of stop bothering me. But you don't like the idea of making a logo out of that wild play.

[Maddie]

I kind of don't. I don't. I thought it was. I thought it was a nice homage and a nice, you know, meme and fun online story. Because it's, because it's. I don't know, like to. I don't know why you just threw this on me. I don't know why I don't like it. I just know I don't like it, like Jumpman is, That's Michael Jordan's thing. That's the jump, man. That's, you know, it's, it's very similar. And I thought it was a, it's a, I thought it was a cute and respectful, you know, meme and story in the moment, but not to, not to live on forever and beyond that. Plus, you know what? You didn't win. You didn't win anything last year.

[Dan Bernstein]

You won that game.

[Maddie]

You won that game, but you, you failed. You were one of the 31 teams that failed.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay, okay, well, let's, when we unpack this, he can be doing this with no intent to act on it now. Like we're presuming that he's got the T shirts ready to print and all these things. All it said was he wants the right to be able to do it. And it's, it is completely reasonable to think that he's just covering his bases. And it doesn't mean that they've got a whole launch ready to go. It just means that they want the chance to do it in time. Yeah, right. So I don't, I don't mind that, but it's not exactly a flattering silhouette of the right foot on the ground with a tackler holding his ankle, left foot in the air, leaning almost toward the tackler, because that's your only, your only contact with terra firmament. I don't know, I don't know if it's, if it's flattering. It just reminds me. Oh boy, look what he can do with his body contorted all strangely.

[Maddie]

But did you say terra firma instead of ground?

[Dan Bernstein]

I, I did. You know, hard, hard ground, that's all. All right. What are you going to accuse me? I'm not going to accuse you of anything. I'm going to accuse me perfectly credibly of being a pretentious jerk off. Then go ahead and do it and I'll cop to that. What? I'm not afraid of you. That's fine if you want to say. No, you're good.

[Maddie]

You're good to shave, my friend. You, you win. Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Just saying, Just say it. Not that big a deal, man. I, I, I know.

[Maddie]

That's really good.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm right.

[Maddie]

You accuse me being a pretentious jerk off. Well, kind of, sort of. Well, yeah. I am so right. All right, well then, all right then. All right, let's move on.

[Dan Bernstein]

You win. It's one of my favorite Simpson in the clown college one. Remember, when he goes, he says, you have brought great Joy. Whatever it is, Don Chichio or whatever, you've brought great joy to this old hackneyed Italian stereotype like Don Chichio. No. Yes, I. I am, I am. I know, I know I am.

[Maddie]

Yep, there you go. All right. Well, good. No worries.

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[Dan Bernstein]

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[Maddie]

It was. That was rough.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, my God. Is he bad? He kept like. I think there's something not right with him. Who is that and where did he come from? Jordan Kent. Is that his name?

[Maddie]

That sounds right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, my God.

[Maddie]

Kent is for sure the last name.

[Dan Bernstein]

And then he said something like, like coach so and so caught up with our Jenny Dell. No, Jenny Dell caught up with like he just said. And then his metaphors were all over the place.

[Maddie]

He.

[Dan Bernstein]

It sounded like somebody took a normal play by play person and put it in a blender and rearranged all the words and it was screamy and it didn't really know basketball. And poor Jim Spinarkle is. Who's awesome, who I love was trying to say stuff and he wasn't listening. There was no yes anding there was. Wasn't attention being paid. But despite all that, despite all of it, that was a fun game.

[Maddie]

Jordan Kent, play by play, college basketball, former American football wide receiver.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Maddie]

Former television play by play announcer for the Trailblazers on NBC Sports Northwest.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. The, the. The playing. The fact that he once played football. Okay. So it's a former player.

[Maddie]

Yeah. Seahawks, sixth round of the 2007 NFL Draft.

[Dan Bernstein]

And now he's okay. Because he was just all over the joint with some of those calls last

[Maddie]

night with the Seahawks, two years, the Rams for one year, one reception, five yards.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right.

[Maddie]

Those are his career numbers.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, it was just. It was very odd. It was a voice I hadn't heard and there were some.

[Maddie]

Yeah. I wasn't scripted in his work.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. I never heard if. And if I never hear that again, I'm fine. Because that was a rough one. That was. That was a rough experience, especially knowing how good Jim Spinarkle is. Like Spinarkle's iron Eagles, long time, forever Nets partner. Spinarkle did games on CBS of the tournament for years. You know, he played at Duke 100 years ago.

[Maddie]

Oh, his dad was the Oregon coach.

[Dan Bernstein]

Ernie Kent.

[Maddie]

Yes, that's his dad.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's Ernie Kent's son.

[Maddie]

That's Ernie. Ken's son. Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. All right. Okay. Well, I mean, great. I wish I. Is okay. Because it wasn't great.

[Maddie]

Anyway. That's not. That's not the point. What's. What was your.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, the point. The point is that if Miami is trying to be a sweetheart and they're trying to be. They've. You can't be a Cinderella and be assholes.

[Maddie]

Correct.

[Dan Bernstein]

You can't. You got to pick one. Either you're Cinderella or you're not. And it's hard. You got to decide where you want to fit in the narrative. So I don't know if they know because if I, if I didn't hear him talk, I would really like those guys. They're a fun team to watch. They're fearless. They, they run a fascinating version of Princeton. And that's what I loved watching. Because if you took the, the classic Pete Carrill Princeton offense, the same thing that, you know, Arnie Duncan and Kit Miller and his buddies are running in all these three on three tournaments into their 50s. It's the same stuff. The dribble handoffs, the back cut, read the look this way and then shoot it. It's all the same. There's split post actions. It's what Bill Carmody ran at Northwestern. If you watch Northwestern during the Carmody era, it was always. Everything was kind of based off the Princeton stuff. The difference is Miami of Ohio is perfectly content taking 25 footers,

[Maddie]

NBA three last night.

[Dan Bernstein]

40 some.

[Maddie]

Yeah, 40 some.

[Dan Bernstein]

And college game, that's a three a minute and there's only 40 minute games. So if, but it's really cool to see like if you go back and watch, you know the Princeton team that beat UCLA or any of the, you know, those famous Pete Carrill teams was Georgetown and then, then they took Georgetown to the wire. But if you think like, how would this offense look if you had guys who could hit 25 footers? That's what it would look like. And it's, it's really fascinating from that perspective. And they, and of course, yeah, they play super hard, they're falling all over the place. They don't really have a bit. And, and if an SMU had that big dope in the middle they run, their SMU's first action is a perfectly arranged high, low drop down to him for a dunk.

[Maddie]

Did he, he fouled out at the end, didn't he? Yes, he fell out.

[Dan Bernstein]

He should have been. He sucks.

[Maddie]

Well, the issue, the issue being that their, their, their ad created this, this, this media storm. When he talked about it a few weeks ago, how they deserve to be there and he was all angry about it and like you, you had an opportunity going into this tournament being to, to be a fan favorite, to be a Cinderella, to be a positive story. Like, look at this team, despite the fact you played three NAI teams during your regular season and you lost in the very first round of your own tournament. And in January, early January, they took Duke to the wire. They lost by seven in a really competitive game. They beat Louisville once during the season. But you come out of this game after beating SMU in a play in game and you're like, we see, we prove we deserve to be there. SMU blows too. I mean, let's, let's be realistic about it. You wouldn't be in a play in game if you really were a good tournament team. Okay, now you're, now you're going to play West Virginia, the four seed. You're going to get your ass kicked in this, in this round when the, when the tournament officially begins. You can talk about all you want. The first four in those bullshit games. That's not tournament play. It's not. It's an extra playoff game to see if you deserve to be there or if SMU did in this case. And then you come out after the game and you're like, see, it wasn't an upset. We just, we proved everyone, we prove that we belong here. You didn't prove shit. You beat the SMU Mustangs. They were 8 and 10 in their conference. They were under.500. I mean, come on, dude. Like, they had an opportunity to get a lot of fans on board and they really fucked it up. It started a few weeks back with their ad and then after last night's game, I get being confident, believing in yourself, but man, you had a chance, you blew it. Now I think more people are going to root for West Virginia to kick the shit out of you. Then maybe they would have wanted in the first place.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. The only time I saw West Virginia was against AJ DeBona and BYU and they were, they beat him. They were, they were tougher than that BYU team and they. DeBonsa got his points, but they made him work for it. Yeah, this will be an interesting matchup. But to go through these quotes. So this was the, the Miami coach, Travis Steele. The reason people love March Madness is they love to see, quote unquote upsets. This wasn't an upset tonight.

[Maddie]

It wasn't upset. It was an upset. It was an upset. They were six and a half point underdogs going into this game.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes, it was. By definition, it was a fairly substantial upset. Yes, actually. And if you're going to be, if you're going to insist that you've been wronged all year and you've been, you've been underappreciated Underrated, underranked, misunderstood. Act like it then. You can't. You can't act like a team that just pulled a big upset if it wasn't an upset.

[Maddie]

Right?

[Dan Bernstein]

All of the shouting at the fans and they were doing this in the game against Ohio when they were trash talking the opposing fans. As you're. You're pulling out a win against Ohio, you're beating the Ohio Bobcats.

[Maddie]

Right?

[Dan Bernstein]

And then don't lose in the first round to UMass. But this is Peter Suter. I think they're their best player. He's one of the guys who was out there. And like I said, they're good. I want to like them.

[Maddie]

I want.

[Dan Bernstein]

Give me a reason to like you. He said all the doubters that doubted us, all saying we don't have quad one wins, two wins, all that stuff, I don't know what they're going to say now. We prove the doubters wrong. Say whatever we want now.

[Maddie]

Right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Or anybody else. Anybody else. What do you mean? What? You. You just beat SMU in the play in and go out and win. Go out.

[Maddie]

Go out and win this game. Beat West Virginia. If you want people to talk about you in a positive way, please beat West Virginia.

[Dan Bernstein]

Just don't make me dislike you.

[Maddie]

Well, too late.

[Dan Bernstein]

Don't. Too late. I'm sure Peter Suter is a lovely kid. They're just, they're college kids. But why? The answer is it comes from the coach.

[Maddie]

No, it started with the ad and it starts there and it works its way down. Absolutely.

[Dan Bernstein]

But why? Why be against everybody? Why. Why take on the haters? It's so cheesy and trite and it's. You don't want to be a cliche. You don't want to be a Dusty Baker Cubs team. The only people that believe in this team are the people in this locker room. No, you don't want that. Like, again, this comes back to enjoy yourself.

[Maddie]

Right? Enjoy. I mean, you had a really good opportunity. The athletic director and other people in leadership had a great opportunity to say, hey, yeah, right now, you know, we're 30. No. And I get what people are saying about our schedule. I get what people are saying about our opponents. So talk about it and then say some of our players, highlight some of your players, then talk about some of your players, of your senior guys and, you know, show them in a. In a positive way and say, hey, I get it. But here's where we are right now, and all we can do is play the next game in front of us and we're having a lot of fun and these are great kids. They had a great opportunity to make it a positive story. Instead they went the other way. You're going to get your shit kicked in. Maybe it doesn't come against West Virginia, but it's going to happen. It's going to come down hard and I hope you lose by 30 in the tournament.

[Dan Bernstein]

And, and I don't know why you're making people want to think that or want that to happen. There's no reason to take on all your haters. Instead inoculate against it. If I were advising them, and this is the ad included that just say it's perfectly reasonable for people to doubt us. We're Miami of Ohio. We played NAIA teams. Like, if you own that, then you're adorable.

[Maddie]

Right? Right Then. Then it's like, oh, wow, this. This team that played three NAIA teams in the. In the regular season just beat smu and SMU took duked a seven point loss.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right like that.

[Maddie]

That's. Wow, what a great story.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right?

[Maddie]

Time do they play? When do they play? I want to watch this team.

[Dan Bernstein]

I want to know more about Peter Suter.

[Maddie]

They fucked it up is what they did.

[Dan Bernstein]

And instead you decided to be jerks. You know Luke Skaljack, who. You know, I would be busy anagramming his name into something fun and cool and instead I don't give a shit. You know these. It's like, oh, who's that guy? Who's that guy? You're. You're a perfect central casting tournament darling. Why not? You could be the. The Northern Iowa team that everybody loved. You could be the Bryce Drew Valpo team. Right?

[Maddie]

You could be. Had an opportunity that they lost. And again, it started with the ad. That's when it started. I don't know if I told you during our recording or if I was off. Off recording. My buddy, his daughter goes to Trinity Christian. The. One of the school. The NAI schools that lost.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes, you did tell me.

[Maddie]

Miami. Okay. Yeah. So I don't know if I said on the show, but it was. That was the 129 to 49 game. Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, no, that's. That's sad. Yeah, but there are. You know, they. But then they had to put. I remember that where they were. They were. They were leaking all of the emails that they sent to other teams. They refused to play us. We had to play these teams because. Because. But why are you so angry? Right? Don't be angry. You may. You had a historic season and you made the tournament and you just won this Game. But instead of, of, of basking in this and this opportunity to tell your story as a university and make this like, Jim, what happened to Florida Gulf Coast? And I think they mentioned it during the broadcast, Andy Enfield, who was coaching smu. Andy Enfield was the coach of Florida Gulf coast when they had that wild tournament run to the Elite Eight or whatever it was, they were dunking on everybody and they were called Dunk City. And they were so much fun. And there was Andy Enfield and everybody fell in love with Andy Enfield and his wife. And then he gets the USC job forever. Like, do you now I'm supposed to go hire this coach? Maybe I will.

[Maddie]

But yeah, I mean you have that opportunity to really shine a positive light on your, on your, your program right there and then you could have even gone further. They showed Ron Harper in the, in

[Dan Bernstein]

the stands last night.

[Maddie]

It's like this was a Zerbiak multi year champion with, played with Michael Jordan. Ron Harper was part of the great defense of the Bulls championship run. It's like you, you had an opportunity to really sell it in a positive way. And it's like we proved the doubters wrong. We just beat SMU who was under 500 for the year. Like great, great. Like you didn't prove anybody anything. Like go out and beat West Virginia, go do that. But you had a chance to get a lot of, a lot of extra fans going into this tournament to really, to be a positive light on your, on your program and your kids right now. And you really, I think they blew it. And not blaming the kids for it. That starts with that ad and that head coach for sure.

[Dan Bernstein]

Let's be honest, this is when the games really start to get interesting right now. And that's what makes the time of year so good. What should not be a question for you if you're one of the people that today and tomorrow might be, oh, I don't know, I'm under the weather, I can't go to work. I have to stay home and watch these games. Your game day food should not be a question. Maybe you are home or with friends. You need something that delivers. And, and that's why I would go with Giordano's because they have the full lineup. You want Chicago deep dish all loaded up, they've got it. You want tavern style pizza cut into squares that you and your friends can just nosh on during the game. Thin crust, you want to keep it classic. Oh, we're not done. You can add in wings, cookies, game day deals now that you actually have that real spread. You're not scrambling around at halftime. You're not making bad last minute decisions. All you know is that there is a knock on the door and you've got food that shows up the way it's supposed to. These games might be unpredictable, but your setup right now doesn't have to be order Delivery now at Giordano's.com or visit a Giordano's location near you for pickup and grab that perfect game day spread. Game day deals happening now at Giordano's. Your bracket may bust. Your pizza shouldn't. And we thank Giordano's for being part of our busted bracket Challenge at 312 Sports. By the time you are hearing this, the registration is closed, the field is set with the action going on. My picks are up there. Maddie, your picks are going to be up there as well. And I'm telling you, I know mine are completely wrong. And if you want to just lord your, your winnings over me and make fun of me and tell me you're smarter than I am, feel free. That's the point of it. It's not going to bother me. So go ahead and do that and enjoy. If me saying it's not going to bother you. If you want it to bother me, I'll say it bothers me because that would make it more fun for you. I'm here for you.

[Maddie]

I can be. And I can say that he's lying. It does bother him. We talk about it when we're not recording. So.

[Dan Bernstein]

And see, here's the thing. I did pick Duke to win it all.

[Maddie]

I know it's like a shot at you on I know you.

[Dan Bernstein]

I saw. No, I saw. But you did pick Duke. He probably picked Duke to win it all. It's not because I'm a Duke fan. It's because I, I thought that was

[Maddie]

a terra firma, right,

[Dan Bernstein]

the tournament. That's just what I thought.

[Maddie]

I'm going to go take a walk, honey. On the terra firma outside, we've.

[Dan Bernstein]

There's basketball news. Cade Cunningham.

[Maddie]

Yeah, I didn't like seeing this.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, this was out of nowhere and I don't know that I quite know what's going on. Kate Cunningham is out with a collapsed lung and, but it's not a serious one, though.

[Maddie]

Dan.

[Dan Bernstein]

So this is just, this is like the wire copy here. And the story came from Shams at espn who by the way, as we mentioned on owc, got this huge WNBA scoop on the collective bargaining agreement and then bigfooted the actual WNBA reporters within his own employer give them the story. They were literally camped out. They were sleeping outside a hotel ballroom, covering the story, staking out this story. And then somebody tips off Shams with all this stuff and he ends up bigfooting the story. That was. Next time, man, give it to your colleagues. Let say, hey, here's what I found out. You guys want to break this work together, be a part of something bigger than you. You know, I just thought that that was a little strange that after all these people who are, who are not sleeping and not seeing their families as they're covering this story and they worked so hard, and then somebody feeds that to him and he goes with it. I just, I didn't like that. But he was told the collapse of Cunningham's lung is considered mild.

[Maddie]

Yeah, I mean, we're not doctors, but I don't, I don't know how that could be considered mild. I don't get it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Did the Chargers doctor find him? I don't know what happened. That all of a sudden. The Pistons, by the way, in case you haven't been paying attention, they're the best team in the East. They're trying to win a championship this year. He's the best player on the best team in the East. Who's Cade Cunningham? I don't watch NBA ever since Jordan retired. I'm an idiot. Yeah, they're really good. They believe that it's possible he's going to be back in time for the start of the playoffs on April 18, but they just say he's going to miss an extended period of time. And remember, didn't I take him as a DBU pick on my bookie in the MVP odds?

[Maddie]

I think you did, didn't you?

[Dan Bernstein]

I did. When we were looking.

[Maddie]

I think you did.

[Dan Bernstein]

At games played. And we were, we were. Because I, my, my longer term bets was a Cade Cunningham MVP bet and it was a, it was a Spurs title bet where I got really good odds. So he's not. He's at 61 games right now. You need 65. So he's probably out of that.

[Maddie]

Correct.

[Dan Bernstein]

And that's going to, that's going to really clear the odds. Right now The Pistons are 49 and 19. They're going to be 50 and 19 because they play the Wizards today and the Celtics are coming right after him. They now have Jason Tatum back. Cunningham is averaging 24.5 points, 9.9 assists, and you got to get to 65 games. He's only at 61. It changes stuff. I just. They didn't say how? He got a punctured lung or collapsed lung. I should say collapsed.

[Maddie]

Collapsed lung. Right. So there are. There are different grades of collapsed lungs.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Maddie]

The medical term is pneumothorax.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes.

[Maddie]

So there's a small or partial pneumothormax. Pneumothormax.

[Dan Bernstein]

Pneumothorax is different. I thought a pneumothorax. Okay.

[Maddie]

Small amount of air enters the space between the lung and the chest wall, often causing mild symptoms or none at all. So he must have a small or partial pneumothorax.

[Dan Bernstein]

And usually for pneumothorax, they gotta actually punch a hole and just let the air out.

[Maddie]

Well, maybe not for small or partial. Large.

[Dan Bernstein]

Let the dogs out. Yeah.

[Maddie]

Larger. Total pneumothorax. Then there's a tension pneumothorax. There's a spontaneous pneumothorax, which sounds terrible. Occurs without injury, often due to small air blisters. Then there's the traumatic pneumothorax. Well, results from physical injury. Yeah. So he must have this. Yeah. Obviously a small or partial. If they're saying that it's mild.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, it could be both. It could be partial, traumatic. He could have gotten a weird elbow in practice.

[Maddie]

Or a partial spontaneous.

[Dan Bernstein]

Who knows?

[Maddie]

No known cause.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, well. Or a doctor screwed up.

[Maddie]

Maybe he saw the Bulls guys.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, he saw the Chargers. Remember? To Rod Taylor.

[Maddie]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Dan Bernstein]

That he had.

[Maddie]

It was. It was. That's right. Why you kept saying Chargers.

[Commercial Announcer]

That's right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. It was to Rod Taylor. And he was getting ready to start a game. He's like, oh, he can't start. Why collapse long? And then it's like, well, Blackhawks.

[Maddie]

Or maybe the. Maybe the Bulls guys looked at him, said he was fine. And then he saw the Ravens doctors, and they're like, oh, no, I wouldn't. This is not good. You're. And you have a partial collapsed lung.

[Dan Bernstein]

And then they saw the Blackhawks guy, and he noomed his Newts.

[Maddie]

He's like, it's my chest, not my pants.

[Dan Bernstein]

What's going on, Doc? Sorry. You got a dead leg skate, and that's that. I hope he's okay.

[Maddie]

Yeah, I do, too. It's. Yeah, I do. Yeah, I do, too. I. I don't like seeing that.

[Dan Bernstein]

Also, great job by the Bulls last night. That's how you do it. That's.

[Maddie]

Yeah, buddy. So, you know, multiple practices going back and forth. I turned the game on the. On the radio and. Yeah, exactly. And it was 90 to 66. And I'm like, that's. That's how that gets done. Thank you. Yeah, they're nicely done that.

[Dan Bernstein]

And here's this Eastern Playoffs. Look at what the Hawks are doing. Look at the way the Raptors are playing right now. And between the Knicks, the Celtics, and now this happening to Cade Cunningham.

[Maddie]

Yeah, that opens it up.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, you. You could have a. Just a hellacious Eastern Conference playoffs right now. You were going to have it anyway. You were going to have it anyway. But now, now you got some of these, these grindy teams. I will tell you that they are the. Darko. Darko Radakovich can really coach. He can really coach. I know it's a. It's a Billy Donovan guy, a Billy Donovan disciple. And he's got these guys defending. We were, we had talked about this on owc. You know, Jason was. He said I. He told me he thought that they defend like the Seattle Seahawks. He said, you've got similarly sized guys that attack space. They close off spaces quickly. They're aggressive and disciplined and versatile. And.

[Maddie]

When did the playoffs start?

[Dan Bernstein]

Playoffs to April, mid April. Right.

[Maddie]

Yeah. Yeah. So recovery from a small, uncomplicated pneumothorax takes one to two weeks as the body reabsorbs the trapped air. For very minor cases, healing may happen on its own within a few days to a few weeks.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Maddie]

Okay. So he may not need any kind of treatment. He just may need time off and could be good to go as, you know, as soon as a few days or two weeks. So he'll be back for the playoffs if this is the particular case he has.

[Dan Bernstein]

And let me add a bull's thought real quick. And if this is reduplicative from owc, I know we have different audiences here, but it's something that, that I mentioned on. And you should really check out the, the new OWC episode because we're scouting potential Bulls, looking at the player in this tournament who could fall in the range of where the Bulls are likely to pick from. Anybody from Miami of Ohio from 1 to 10. No, sadly, nobody was on that list for Miami of Ohio. But this is a good draft. This is. This is a really good draft. So I, I worked through the following yesterday, and I want to be very clear. I looked at the Bulls and why they're not trying harder to tank. Why are you playing Boozelis and Giddy in these situations? Why did you not look at a game against the Memphis Grizzlies and think, we got to find a way to lose this game? Because of where we are relative to them. And I said, if I were representing Arturis Karnishovas, how would I argue it if they hired me and said, Bernstein, make the case for not trying hard to tank. I thought about how I would do it and this is not how I feel, but this is how I would argue how I think they feel and tell me if there's any validity to this and just. And please don't misrepresent this, because if hired to argue their case, what I would say is, hey, we've either got it, we're going to have a 20% chance at a top four pick, and at best we're going to have a 25 or 26% chance at a top four pick. We're probably going to be where we are around here in a pretty deep draft. We're going to get somebody who's definitely going to help and getting the number one overall pick. If we, if we tried really hard to lose and we improved that by, by a half a percent or a percentage, that's what we're talking about here. When you really look on balance, it's better for us ultimately that Billy Donovan coaches any players who matter to create a culture of winning and trying as hard as you can. Obviously, the guys you're seeing out there right now are Modest Boozelis, who's playing some of the best basketball of his career, and Josh Giddey, who is also on this triple double binge right now and playing really, really well after coming back from injury. And you can argue anybody else, whether or not it's Rob Dillingham or Leonard Miller, they need to be part of trying to win. They need to be. They can't just be running out there, recreating with Lachlan Ulbrich and Yuki Kawamura. They have to be part of a team that believes it can win, it can try to win. And we feel that that effort and installing and instilling that culture of how we go about our work and what we try to do is more important than percentage points around the margins at an opportunity to improve slightly. And we also think that this draft is potentially deeper than others do. There pause. And that is. That would be the end of my argument for what they're doing. And it's. I'm guessing at it, guessing at how they feel. I don't know that that's how they feel.

[Maddie]

They.

[Dan Bernstein]

They haven't made that argument explicitly, but that's what I imagine it to be. And then you can decide if you think that's valid, but it still bugs me. I think you got to do all or nothing. I think either. If you make the moves that they made at the deadline, that means you lose the games you have to lose. And they clearly disagree with me. So I would just. If after the fact, they end up with the sixth pick and they get Nate Ament or Mikel Brown Jr. Or Darius Acuff, one of these guys, Caleb Wilson, there's a lot of good players in there. I like that.

[Maddie]

Darius Acuff. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Kingston Fleming's a thing, too.

[Maddie]

Yeah, he is. But I like. Yeah, I like it. I like Acuff. I would like. Watching that last game he played against Vanderbilt was a. It was a. He's. Yeah, I like him. He's a. He's a good. He's a fun player to watch, too.

[Dan Bernstein]

There's a lot of fun players. There's a lot of good players in this draft. There's a lot of good college players. And they're all children.

[Maddie]

You know, these.

[Dan Bernstein]

These are all like, oh, Sevens or whatever they are. Oh, Sixes. These freshmen out there is really amazing. But that. That was the best I could do to actually make understanding the Bulls more of an intellectual exercise. But we haven't heard the Bulls make that argument, so it's presumptive on my part. I just thought I would give it a shot. And like I say, if you want to hear some of the scouting reports, OWC's got all that for you in the latest episode. Whenever the stakes are high, My bookie is where you turn bets into bankroll. You always have a big matchup on the schedule. We're all watching. We all have our takes, right or wrong. And the props, as you know, can be just as fun as the final score. And if you already have your brackets in, and you already said, look, I picked the finals, I picked the winners, and now you can go in and find some names and some points or rebounds or assists or. And tie all those things together. Make it fun. The prop board at my bookie, famously deep and fun to play. From player performances to game milestones, everything in between, this is the kind of action that keeps everything interesting all game long. So if you ever wanted to get in, get in. Now. It's all at MyBookie AG. Everything. MyBookie AG. One account, one wallet. So go in, start your account, get registered, make your deposit, and then use the code dbu. When you do, that'll give you a bet back bonus token that gives you your first bet back covered up to 500 bucks. If it doesn't hit, you got that token, you can run it back. So whatever you want to do, it's in MyBookie AG. Just have that code DBU. Then you're not just watching the action, you're making it all pay. With my bookie. Rory McElroy's Masters dinner menu is out. Dinner is going to be Tuesday night.

[Maddie]

So the previous winner, last year's winner, gets to host the. The dinner for the current year, and all the former winners get to go to the. Yeah. So in case people didn't know how

[Dan Bernstein]

the dinner works, the Masters Club dinner is known as the Champions Dinner. It goes back to 1952. It was started by Ben Hogan. Only Masters champions are there to dine

[Maddie]

as long as they're men in white.

[Dan Bernstein]

Men and white. Not in white, they're in green. Right. Aren't you supposed to wear your jacket that you earned? And my rule would be, if you've won multiples, you have to wear all the jackets and you have to. Yeah, you have to get them in increasingly larger sizes.

[Maddie]

Like a Chris Farley. Yes, that scene from Tommy Boy.

[Dan Bernstein]

Man in a little. Fat man in a little coat.

[Maddie]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Fat man in multiple coats. But this is the Tuesday evening of Masters week last year. Scotty Scheffler, Texas cowboy ribeye, Texas style chili, jalapeno, creamed corn. Jon Rahm obviously did Spanish stuff. There's all sorts of famous things. When Sandy Lyle won, he's Scottish, he served haggis. I've never tried it, have you? No, I absolutely would. I'd love to try haggis. Also, I know you're screaming right now as you're listening to this. Wasn't that one why Fuzzy Zeller got in trouble? Yes. Remember after Tiger one, you remember what Fuzzy said? He's like, yeah, I don't know. I guess he's going to serve fried chicken or collard greens or whatever they serve. Wow. And he was like, I'm kidding. It was a joke. It was just a racist joke. Fuzzy didn't. That. That was back then, too. And that didn't go. Didn't go all that well. And he lost a bunch of sponsors, but he's like, I don't know what they're serving. A whole fried chicken and collard greens or something. Well, here's the menu that Rory is serving. Ready?

[Maddie]

Yeah, I'm ready.

[Dan Bernstein]

There you go. Here are the. There are four appetizers. Peach and ricotta flatbread, balsamic hot honey and basil on that. I'm. I'm Good on that. No, thank you.

[Maddie]

Yeah, I take a bite, but I'm not. Yeah, I wouldn't seek it out. If someone walked up and served it to me, I'd probably take it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

See, I'm okay with one thing I

[Maddie]

don't like, but what don't you like?

[Dan Bernstein]

Balsamic. And I don't like hot honey.

[Maddie]

Why do you not like balsamic vinegar?

[Dan Bernstein]

It's overused. It's always, always, always too much.

[Maddie]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

There was a time where everybody was a. The tiniest bit goes a long way. It also.

[Maddie]

I like balsamic.

[Dan Bernstein]

It also looks like betadine to me.

[Maddie]

Okay. Yeah, that's. That's. Those are fair complaints on it. I have multiple balsamic vinegars upstairs. Multiple aged.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, I've had white balsamic I like, and I have some of that, too.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

But I just. I don't. It looks like Betadine and it's always overused. Sort of like truffle oil is always overused.

[Maddie]

All right. Yeah, that sounds good. Again, I'm not seeking it out. I'm sure it's delicious. If someone walked up, said, here, take a bite, I would, but, yeah, I'm not seeking it out.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right. Okay. Rock shrimp tempura creamy spicy sauce.

[Maddie]

Rock shrimp tempura creamy spicy sauce. It's fine.

[Dan Bernstein]

You know, it sounds identical to something that I love at Kamahachi. I don't know if you've eaten recently. There's one in. There's a kamahachi here and there's a kamahachi in Northbrook.

[Maddie]

I have not eaten a Kamahachi.

[Dan Bernstein]

Their rock shrimp tempura in a creamy spicy sauce is phenomenal. Okay. It's great.

[Maddie]

All right. I'm sure it's good. I'm sure they got good shrimp. Hopefully it came from Indiana.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. As long you beat me to it. As long as it's central Indiana shrimp, we're fine. Bacon wrapped dates with goat cheese and almonds.

[Maddie]

Yeah, do that sounds like a good bite. I wouldn't pick it for a menu, but it sounds like a real good bite.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right. Now, the. Apparently the reason for the. I'm trying to look to see because he's trying to be thoughtful with it. I'm looking for any of the stories behind some of this stuff and why they're doing it because Rory said it wasn't put together off the top of my head. I tried to be pretty thoughtful with it. Some things that I like and some personal touches along the way. The reason why for the bacon wrap dates it's his mother's recipe, so if you needed to know why that's why they're doing that. It is his mom's recipe. And then grilled elk sliders, caramelized onion jam, roasted garlic aioli.

[Maddie]

Sure, that's good.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's good. I'm worried about a little over sweetness with the caramelized onion jam, but that's okay. First course is yellowfin tuna carpaccio with foie gras on a toasted baguette with chives. Let's go.

[Maddie]

I am in. Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yup. That's a big old yup.

[Maddie]

And the reason I love, I love yellowfin. And any, any restaurant that I can find that does has fresh fish and they do a, a yellow fin carpaccio. Let's go. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

The staff from Augusta national flew to Le Bernardin to meet with the chef so they could prepare it just the way McElroy likes it.

[Maddie]

Oh, very good.

[Dan Bernstein]

He said it's a really thin slice of baguette with a really thin slice of foie grasp on top of that with the tuna carpaccio, he said very simple. But every time we go to that restaurant, it's the one thing I have to have. Oh, that's so good.

[Maddie]

Yep.

[Dan Bernstein]

And that's exactly.

[Maddie]

I love Yo.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's the good reason. Yeah.

[Maddie]

So good.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep. The main course, you have a choice. You have a choice of a wagyu filet mignon or seared salmon.

[Maddie]

And say where the wagyu's from, it

[Dan Bernstein]

doesn't say whether it's Australian or whether it's Japanese or ua. It would say Kobe if it were Kobe, right?

[Maddie]

It would. It would have to. Yeah. No, there's. There's good US Wagyu now, though.

[Dan Bernstein]

Sure there is.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

And it's served with traditional Irish champ, which I love, because who wouldn't? It's, it's mashed potatoes with fresh scallion or ramps or spring onion. Lots of, lots of scallion. And traditionally it's a. You serve it with a hollowed out middle filled with melted butter.

[Maddie]

Okay, that works.

[Dan Bernstein]

So you can kind of, you can, you can take a spoonful off the side and then kind of dip it in the middle to make it extra buttery.

[Maddie]

So that's what's served with the wagyu.

[Dan Bernstein]

That. Yeah, that's Irish champ. Also sauteed Brussels sprouts. It's served with either one, with either of your proteins. It's gonna come with the Irish champ. Sauteed Brussels sprouts, glazed carrots with Brown butter and crispy Vidalia onion rings. And then the dessert is very British.

[Maddie]

I'm sorry, what was the other. The other protein?

[Dan Bernstein]

Salmon. Seriously?

[Maddie]

Oh, salmon. Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep, yep. So filet or salmon? And then the dessert is a classic British sticky toffee pudding that sounds. Which also has a date flavoring to it, and that's with vanilla ice cream and warm toffee sauce. I don't know enough about wines to appreciate each of these vintages, but they're the pairings. You're going to start with a 2015 Salon Brut Le Mesnil Surrojer champagne. There's a 2022 Domain La Flev Batar Montrachet. Burgundy, a 1990.

[Maddie]

Whoa.

[Dan Bernstein]

Chateau Lafitte. Wow. That's not cheap. That is a Bordeaux. Chateau Lafitte Rothschild, 1990. And the dessert wine is a Sauterne, a Chateau de di Quem, 1989. The number. Another summer. Get down.

[Maddie]

All right, what's your favorite thing on that menu? The favorite thing on the menu, for me, it's.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's. For me, it's a tuna carpaccio. Not even. Yeah, yep. That. That is one that. If it's a pass around thing.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

If somebody is leaving, if the caterer is leaving the kitchen and doing the walk around pass around before dinner, and they're not, in this case, it's seated. But that's one where I am strategically positioning myself at the cocktail party.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

To just kind of have an eye out. And if that thing's going by me, I'm. I'm sniping them. I'm thinking like a fish on a reef.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Like a barracuda. Like, like ambushing.

[Maddie]

Waiting. Waiting for it to come out.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep, yep.

[Maddie]

Yeah. My buddies at Crassulas, they used to do a really good tuna carpaccio. Oh, my God. I would just. I go there just for that as the appetizer. It was so good. I love yellowfin. I love yellowfin. Yellowfin sushi. Anything with yellowfin in it.

[Dan Bernstein]

When. When we were in Cabo a couple of years ago and Jason and my cousin Aaron and I collaborated to catch a yellow fin tuna.

[Maddie]

Nice.

[Dan Bernstein]

And we, we had it, you know, filleted when at the dock. And we had, you know, just pounds and pounds and bags full of these massive purple tuna loins. And one of the things, we went back to the house with that and the giant 50 inch mahi mahi was done up for us. And we had people come over and cook and they did a carpaccio with what we had Literally just pulled out of the ocean a couple hours ago.

[Maddie]

How good was it?

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. And then the satisfaction of eating something that you horsed up from the bottom of the ocean. Yeah. Because it wasn't. It's not fun to catch one of those things.

[Maddie]

But. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

So great. It's so good. So good luck to Rory. Well done. Well chosen. Very nice. And as always, this one thing that we, we understand now on dbu, we regularly leave you hungry.

[Maddie]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm not going to apologize because with this time we. Because we told you about Giordano's.

[Maddie]

You know. Yeah. Yesterday I recorded a. From the 50 which will drop on Monday the 23rd, with Cody Hibbard. Cody Hibbard is a, is a. He's a. He's a farmer out from Oklahoma and a country music singer.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, I thought you were gonna say he's the head of Homeland Security now.

[Maddie]

Yeah. God, he more qualified. He went to the Naval Academy and he. So his family has a. Has a farm out in Oklahoma and they have Wagyu. Yeah, they do cattle.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. So he's sending you a sampler pack.

[Maddie]

Well, we'll work. Work towards that, but it's a really, really fun interview. That'll drop it from the 50 on Monday. He was born in Korea and when he was. He and his sister were adopted by this family in Oklahoma when he was 13 months old. So he. It's, it's funny because he gets it all the time. Like you don't, you don't. You don't sound like you. You don't look like the way you. You sound. So it's cool. And country music. He was on CBS's TV show the Road with Blake Shelton and Urban performed on that. He was one of the, one of the competitors there. Really good. But it was just really cool. Like when he, he called me, he was running a little late back to the house and we connected and he was inside his skiv, I think he called it, like one of his big farm machines. And he was like flying back to the house because he's out working the cattle and got chickens and stuff. So.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Maddie]

But see if we can get some wagyu from him, though.

[Dan Bernstein]

That'd be great, right? What's in for us? That's the question. I mean, I'm sure the listener is going to be treated to a fabulous and wide ranging interview. But I want to add too, speaking of that. Yeah. We should mention Maddie is going on a well deserved family vacation. I don't know if it's okay. That I say that.

[Maddie]

Yeah, no, we're heading out tomorrow and

[Dan Bernstein]

during that time we're going to take. Because it's a perfect time in. We don't. There's no baseball. Football news is trickling away. We do have the tournament going, but we're going to take DBU in a little different direction next week with some more long form interview stuff and hanging out with old friends.

[Maddie]

Yeah, it's gonna be fun.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's gonna be so much fun. Not that you're not fun, obviously, but. And I just. I just want you to go forget about the show. Turn off your phone. Don't worry about a thing.

[Maddie]

Oh, dude, I'm not. I mean, you know, we're. Yeah, we're. We're staying in a hotel tonight near o' Hare because we have early morning and I. When I. When I walk out of the house tonight.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Maddie]

You may not hear from me, so.

[Dan Bernstein]

Great. No, no, I want you to turn everything off. You know, if there's any group chats involving you for work, we'll mute them. We'll do all that. So you go enjoy with. With family and children and everybody and. And get your children away from you, too. Make sure that you can just say, get out of here.

[Maddie]

Oh, they'll stay away from us.

[Dan Bernstein]

There's a.

[Maddie]

There's a lot to do where we're going, but, yeah, there's some great guests lined up for dbu. Fun stuff I'm looking forward to listening to. Whether it's back on the plane on the way back home or whatever it might be. Even if it's late at night. Want to sit around and listen to something while I'm sitting at the beach? Yeah, I can't wait. Some of these names are really, really fun.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's going to be a great week.

[Maddie]

So.

[Dan Bernstein]

And. And obviously we're doing Friday feedback Friday. Tomorrow. I've got a top 10 list. I think it's going to be really fun tomorrow. Yeah, that's.

[Maddie]

That's a fun one. I'm disappointed to miss that because even from our conversation earlier today, we could have had a fun conversation. But it's gonna be good.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Should I mention what it is?

[Maddie]

Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, you can do that. I always forget, like, last week I was like, should we tell people what we're doing? We always do. Fucking team.

[Dan Bernstein]

But it's like tease. Like, I don't know the way teasing works with podcasts now. I'm just. I'm not good at this yet because I have my radio instincts.

[Maddie]

But no, it doesn't matter like if we tease it or not. But yeah, you can share because I

[Dan Bernstein]

think fun what I plan on doing and I'm gonna put this together when we get done with forward progress and before our top secret meeting because I

[Maddie]

had this set up last week and then we made a pivot to do the movies because we both have low T because we watched the Oscars.

[Dan Bernstein]

Saw that. These guys talking Oscars. They must be women. Only women like movies. What? In honor of Andrew Billings being gone, our guy, I'm going to try to put together my all time list. My favorite Chicago Bears who are bad.

[Maddie]

Yes. Top 10 bad Chicago Bears. Your favorite bad Chicago Bears.

[Dan Bernstein]

For whatever reason, my favorite bad Chicago

[Maddie]

Bears could be because you were a kid. It could be because in radio you met this guy, interviewed him, whatever it

[Dan Bernstein]

could be, it doesn't have to be rational. Yes. It's just My Favorite Top 10 Favorite

[Maddie]

Bad Chicago Bears of all time.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right. I don't declare that I'm going to cleave to rational thought because it's my mind.

[Maddie]

I know you. So I'm going to say at least 2 of your 10 really piss people off. I'm going to, I'm going to say with two.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. Okay.

[Maddie]

So we'll set the. The. I'll set the over under at one and a half. I'll take the over that at least two of your picks really make people angry.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. All right. And there's some that like I can't include because they're my. Some of my favorite Bears of all time who are just too good. Right.

[Maddie]

That's not the point. It's not. Yeah. Your favorite good players, they have to be bad.

[Dan Bernstein]

But. And even like niche players, like I can't put Patrick Manoli on the list because he's one of the greatest long snappers of all time. Correct. But. But he was the rare football player who got the bit while he was playing. Right.

[Maddie]

But it's favorite bad Bears.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right?

[Maddie]

Not the Bad News Bears. It's the favorite. Your favorite bad Bears of all time.

[Dan Bernstein]

So definitely that's gonna be fun.

[Maddie]

And I'll say two.

[Dan Bernstein]

Two.

[Maddie]

Two or two of your picks will piss people off.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Maddie]

I don't know what they are. I'm just taking a guess.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm just. I'm going to take the over because it's me.

[Maddie]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

And normally if I say like, you

[Maddie]

know, you can say anything, it'll piss people off.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's sunny out today and water is wet. Fuck you, Bernstein Jew.

[Maddie]

There's a cloud in the sky.

[Dan Bernstein]

You stupid Hitler should have gotten you and your family. Okay, have a nice day. That's going to do it for dbu. Dan Bernstein, Unfiltered. Brought to you by Giordano's and in partnership with my bookie, Dan Bernstein.

[Maddie]

Unfiltered.

[Dan Bernstein]

Unfiltered. On three. One, two, sports.