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Dan Bernstein
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Matt Abaticola
Dan Bernstein unfiltered unfiltered on 312Sports.
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Dan Bernstein
Bernstein unfiltered and thankfully I'm Dan Bernstein because otherwise this would get weird. And that's Matt Abaticola. We are brought to you in partnership with my bookie as always and thanks to protein bar and kitchen. Delicious, nutritious and protein packed food and drinks. Check out the menu@theproteinbar.com I was thinking about this as we get ready on this sort of this slightly off center timing Sports week. More than slightly actually as we're getting ready for a Bears game on Friday afternoon. On Black Friday after Maddie and I finish up our door busting. You know, as you know, annual tradition, we get out there and just bust down do and we leave with people's homes.
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Matt Abaticola
We go take their shit.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah, we're allowed to bust in anywhere. We'll just go in, we'll take your stuff and then we divide it up.
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Matt Abaticola
Leftovers usually.
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Dan Bernstein
Sure, if you've got it. If I've got. Especially if there's leftover pie.
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Matt Abaticola
No dessert?
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Dan Bernstein
No, no. The turkey detritus. The debris at the bottom of the pan because that's usually when I circle back and I'll just kind of look over on the bird after it's picked over the Stuff on the bottom, like what they call the oysters that sometimes don't get harvested in the initial carving. And you can kind of get in there and start.
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Matt Abaticola
That's the stuff you go for.
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Dan Bernstein
Oh, I'm a hyena. I'm an absolute turkey hyena.
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Matt Abaticola
All right, so leave your turkey scraps out and Dan may come by and take them on Friday.
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Dan Bernstein
I may. I'm just the guy to do it. Just sort of like in Chicago, where there's anything made of metal, the moment you put it in the alley, oh, it's taken. One of the scrap metal trucks comes.
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Matt Abaticola
In and just Liam Neeson comes.
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Dan Bernstein
I've got a certain set of skills where I can take your old refrigerator, have it weighed, and then sell it to be melted down. Wait, no, it's a different set of skills. I'm reading off the wrong set. I was thinking this. What if the Bears win? What if they win? You think that this is a story now about the Bears? Hey, look at the Bears. Look at the Bears. Look at the Bears. Locally, obviously it's a big deal and we're sort of in town smart in that we know that there are completely reasonable reservations about the quality of the Bears. You don't have to look at point differential or anything like that. We know, we've watched all the games. We've watched every play. But sometimes on a national level, this is the kind of game where everybody's gonna be sitting around watching. Who's this Caleb Williams guy? Hey, let me tell you something. This Colston Loveland. Look at this. This is what we'll just call my lung. Oh, the guy from Ruckus. Hey, I remember that guy from Rutgers. That's the kind of. You're gonna start getting a little different penetration into the football psyche. It's gonna be more than the hometown stuff from Kyle Brandt or anything like that. If the Bears were to win, watch Ben Johnson's coach of the year numbers jump. I think he's at. He's like + 1100 right now. Vrabel is the runaway odds on favorite, but that'll become a two man race if the Bears win this game. Then it's Vrabel and Johnson from here on in.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, you're starting to see more national media write about the Bears.
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Dan Bernstein
I'm not pining for it.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, no, no, I get it. But after the. The 7 and 3, after their seventh win of the season, they go to 7 and 3, you started to see a lot more of it. It's like. It's like people didn't realize they played nine games already. You know, it was like, oh, wow, look at these Bears. They're, they're seven and three. But here's what's going to happen on the outcome of this game on Friday. If they lose, it's. Well, you know, they've been winning with smoke and mirrors and here's. Here's a list of reasons why they could very easily be, you know, 8, 8 and 8 and. Or 4 and 8. Very math, you know, and so that's what they could do. Or they're going to look at it and say, well, they've, they've won games that they weren't supposed to win. And so it's not really going to be about. About credit about the team. There's always going to be some underlying, like, national excuse about it.
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Dan Bernstein
It doesn't matter if they win this game. It's going to be Bears festival. You're going to have full blown Bears fest if somehow the Bears win this game. Because even though there is still a weird percentage of Bears fans that have this inferiority complex nationally, the national media adores the Bears. Absolutely cannot wait to feature them when they're good. If they actually think it's worth it. And the Bears haven't played telegenic football in many, many, many years. If they're not just a slog of a defensive team, if they don't play like the Browns, where you great defense and no offense, if they think that this is in. This is more of an offensive product and it is, they got one of the best offenses in football. It's a fact that you will see plenty of love. And I don't know if you crave it. I don't know if you're one of these people who's out there tracking everything that said and every logo that's placed anywhere because you somehow think that it's. You get validation when other people like your team. I'm not saying that I don't want to be very clear. I'm not craving national validation. I am just telling you the truth, that if they win this game, it's going to be a Bears fest. And it's going to be an annoying one, too, because then it's going to be Italian beef and Ditka sweaters and. Well, here's what.
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Matt Abaticola
One thing I don't subscribe to and I never have is the whole, this whole idea of what they were supposed to do. Like, I don't look at projections. I don't look at rankings. Like the Bears. Oh, the Bears. Were supposed to win six or seven games this year. No, they weren't. That's, that's someone's opinion. What the Bears were supposed to do this year was show up and play 17 NFL games. That. That's all they were supposed to.
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Dan Bernstein
Well, there is such thing as expectations, though, and that's why I'm sure there are.
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Matt Abaticola
But, but, but, but not. But not projections. And you, like, if you want to live and die by that and say, oh, I'm not. It's, it's already a great season because they've, they've, they've outplayed their. They're supposed to win five or six games.
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Dan Bernstein
No, I'm not, I'm, I'm not doing that. I'm just, I'm reading the temperature nationally of what the country loves the story of probability. The country loves inevitability. They love a dynasty. Without the Chiefs, there's a vacuum. There isn't a dominant team narrative who can beat the blank that doesn't exist this year because of the blob size that we've talked about all year. It's a blob year, and that means all of the powers that be are constantly on the lookout for possibilities for. Oh, don't forget about this team right now. Hey, the. Mike Vrabel is coach of the year and Drake May is an amazing story. And the Patriots being the Patriots, while Bill Belichick languishes in embarrassment and ignominy, that. That's a wonderful story. But it's not the Rams, because the Rams are so far out west, it's different. Even though the NFL does a pretty good job, I think leveling some of that stuff about when we see some of these teams. But I'm telling you, I'm telling you, if the Bears win, if they beat the Philadelphia Eagles, who have long been the darlings and are in themselves embroiled in infighting and controversy and frankly, offensive difficulty, other than taking care of the football. They're not explosive. They haven't really done a great job specifically against zone defenses. They, I imagine the Bear. And we're going to talk about that further on forward progress, because I think when you, when you do have a lot of reserve linebackers, reserve cornerbacks, it's hard to play a discipline zone. But I think that's really what the Bears do have to do. But they're. If, if they're weren't creeping toward national darling status, they're going to get there real fast with a win. Now, having made that point, I don't need the Bears to win, to think well of them. And I want that very, very clear. I mentioned it yesterday and I'm going to say it again. I just think it's important that they play well. The whether or not it ends up a kick goes through or a ball bounces, where to actually give them the win or the loss isn't as big concern of mine on Friday as the overall quality of their play against a real opponent. Compete for real, not Fluky, not, not just because somebody fell down. Really compete physically and consistently with this team. That's going to go a long way for me. That's more important to me than whether or not they're they eke out a win. It is a test of their quality. And sometimes the final score isn't necessarily indicative of the quality of your play. You can play like shit and win a game. You can play great and lose a game. A game. Not a full season of games, but a game. I think this is a great opportunity for the Bears to run a much tighter ship all the way around in all three phases. Even considering the injuries that you have. The Eagles have injuries too. I think Makuba is down. I think there may be another injury in their defensive secondary, so definitely keep an eye on that. But I'm not using any of any of those things as excuses. Not when DeMarco Jackson popped up. Was it in foxes like all NFL team of the week because of the number of tackles that he had. I look at the Tribune story today about Obong Bemiga and Jackson being like Erlacher and Briggs in the game against the Cardinals, the comeback game, just because of the tackle numbers. What are we doing here? What are we doing here? Like that's a reach. But if we're already doing that, there's no injury mitigations for any of this stuff. I just think that they could be the possibilities that exist out there if they win. We've got a hell of a story brewing. We have a hell of a story brewing if they win this game. If you're talking about they seal a winning record in Ben Johnson's very first year after starting 0 and 2 and they go to 9 and 3. Buckle up, buckle up for what you're going to get. I'm not saying it's what happened when they beat the Cowboys 44 to nothing. I'm not saying that because it's, you know, the monoculture was a different time in a different place. But you know these games when you see them and by the time this ball kicks off, this is Gonna feel really big. I'm telling you, you might not feel it quite yet. We're all. Everybody's traveling. You're on the phone, you're figuring out where grandma is, making sure she can make it because you know she's out gambling or something and you gotta get her on the plane. You're getting your kids home from college. You're figuring out how you're going to make sweet potatoes for 23 people. Trust me. But by the time you wake up on Friday morning, I know what you're going to wake up. You're going to be like, holy shit, the Bears are playing the Eagles at 2 o' clock today. It's going to be one of these. Also, Can I just say this? I thought this way since I've been a kid. Since I've been a little kid. There are few pleasures in life. There are few little simple pleasures in life, like genuine anticipation for a Bears game when you really. And not just you do it because you. Once more unto the breach and you feel like you're sort of walking down into the basement to go walk to the end and talk to Hannibal Lecter. It's not that kind of feeling. It's the, it's. It's the. When you get that little sort of frisson, you get the butterflies in your stomach in a good way, remembering that there's a, that you're looking forward to the Bears game. There are few pleasures like that. Like back when you knew they were good and you were. Those of us of a certain age know that feeling of like, countdown and, oh, yeah, we don't have to wait till Sunday for the Bears game. And then on, when it is Sunday and you wake up like, oh, we already had the Bears game. So it's, it's good when, when they're good, that's that little thing that gives you that, that anticipation is something different and special. And if you. We are, we're in for a Bearsgasm.
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Matt Abaticola
Well, we get a real treat though, actually, too, because on Thursday the Lions host the Packers. So you have two division rivals playing each other. You get to watch both teams play one game, make it real easy for you. But they're also playing on a shorter period of time than the Bears are, even on Friday. So they're playing on Thursday. So it's a quicker turnaround for two division teams that currently, if you look at the playoff picture on NFL.com, the Lions, who are on the outside looking in and the packers who are behind the Bears, actually have a higher percentage of making the playoffs than the Bears do you. Despite being the three seed right now in the, in the, in the nfc.
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Dan Bernstein
And nobody with a brain thinks that's unreasonable as far as percentages go. I think it's obvious. Okay. I think that's. That makes sense. They might be better teams. We'll find out. Those tests are going to be there. But I do. That's not disrespect.
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Matt Abaticola
I'm not, I never said it was disrespect.
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Dan Bernstein
Okay.
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Matt Abaticola
It just, it just, I mean, like, you think it makes sense to you? It doesn't make sense to me. The packers have four division games left. They're playing five teams of the final six that are in the hunt for the playoffs. The Lions have three division games left with five teams in the hunt. The Bears have three division team games with five left in the hunt. So it's pretty even in. The Bears are ahead. I mean, it doesn't make sense to me. I mean, and it's numbers and it's Math and the 1 percentage, it should be higher. They're the third seed. The Lions are on the outside.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah, but I think I just, I know what the Lions did to him.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, I know. I get that. But I'm just, again, I'm not buying into this whole what they're supposed to do. There's. Why can't the Bears win this year?
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Dan Bernstein
Oh, they can. Absolutely.
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Matt Abaticola
That's why I have high expectations for Caleb Williams, for Ben Johnson, because why can't they win? I don't like this whole, this whole process thing. It doesn't have to be a process. This isn't Michael Jordan and the Bulls trying to grow up and beat the Pistons. This is the NFL in 2025.
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Dan Bernstein
And even that I, even that narrative, I think has been spun after the fact about learning how to win.
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Matt Abaticola
Right?
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah.
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Matt Abaticola
Like you know how to win.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah. You guys have all won, score more points. Right.
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Matt Abaticola
Go out and play football and beat the Eagles in Philadelphia on Friday.
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Dan Bernstein
Learning how to win is almost always an ex post facto construct.
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Matt Abaticola
You know, there is, there is one thing we were talking about about Caleb Williams and why he may be struggling and why he struggled to get into a rhythm on Sunday's game against the Steelers. And he talked about it himself. He said I have to get better. He said there's a lot more that we can do. We can improve. It all starts with me. These are all negative comments that Caleb Williams has.
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Dan Bernstein
He hates Caleb Williams about himself, whoever that guy is. Hates Caleb Williams.
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Matt Abaticola
He knows his performance could be better and missing Open receivers, missing targets.
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Dan Bernstein
Not a real Bears fan.
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Matt Abaticola
He said all those things Sunday.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
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Matt Abaticola
There's one. I'm trying to figure out why. What's going on, why he had such a difficult time Sunday. He took more snaps under center and drop backs than he has in shotgun formation for the first time in his career.
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Dan Bernstein
And we're going to get to this on forward progress. I think the idea of what Ben Johnson said about turning your back to the defense.
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Dan Bernstein
And what it means to have that mental snapshot. There's. There's a lot in there now.
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Matt Abaticola
It was split. It was 20 of 39 drop backs were from under center. But it's the. It's the first time he took more under center and drop backs than in the shotgun in his NFL career. If that threw off his rhythm and his footwork and his timing a little bit.
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Dan Bernstein
But.
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Matt Abaticola
But then you still counter it and say, well, it was his best game as far as getting the ball out of his hands. It was the fastest this season. 2.2.57. So that those things don't, they don't work together. You can't have the fastest out of your hands and then say, oh well, here's a possibility that under center he was kind of thrown off in his rhythm and his timing. He had really good rhythm, really good timing by releasing the ball in 2.57 seconds.
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Dan Bernstein
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Matt Abaticola
Why?
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Dan Bernstein
Because they, they proved Nicola Vucevic correct when he said this is not a sustainable way to win. We don't have the. I believe he said we don't have the talent to play like this. He was literally pushing his clowning teammates away when he said it. After they hung on to beat the Wizards. And the Bulls really put on a show of bad basketball last night. All the way around.
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Matt Abaticola
He was out with a knee.
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Dan Bernstein
I don't know what they said he was out, but he was out. And the guy they really missed, as the kids say, low key. The guy they missed was Kevin Herder, just because of his ability to play at 100% effort all the time. And he's been sick. And he was doing it even when he was sick. They didn't have Dale and Terry, they had Patrick Williams back. And that didn't even matter at all. But my God, this, this team, this New Orleans Pelicans team that had what, two wins going in? They toyed with the Bulls. The Pelicans scored 143 points. They had 74 points at half consistently. These were the points per quarter for the New Orleans Pelicans. 37, 37, 34, 35. They scored 143 points for their third win of the season, their second win of the season at home in front of nobody. That was absolutely embarrassing. What the Chicago Bulls put out there, what they put on tape last night, that was everything that Nikola Vuchevich said. And Billy Donovan's damn lucky that he's got a guy in Vuch who's saying this stuff and means he doesn't have to say it. And maybe he does behind the scenes. But knowing Billy Donovan and knowing the way he's dealt with young players in the past, he's usually happy to let a player do that kind of talking. But they ran away from wide open shooters. It wasn't just effort. It wasn't just how hard they were playing. It was decision making. It was knowing personnel. I don't really have a problem with the shot selection I don't have a problem with them taking 50 threes and making 20 of them. Make your damn free throws. They missed eight free throws and they got out. Rebounded 55 to 33. I'm going to say that again. 55 to 33. Do you remember what I said yesterday about how to beat the Bulls? Remember the hockey analogy I used?
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, the dump and chase.
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Dan Bernstein
Dump and chase. Put puck on net, crash the net. And it worked again because they cannot get a rebound because they have so many guys who are below the rim and then it forces them to start fouling. And they did a lot of that, too.
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Matt Abaticola
A lot.
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Dan Bernstein
When they were out of position and they were reaching. Meanwhile, I don't need to see any more Noah Sange for a little while. I'm good on Noah Sangay. He.
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Matt Abaticola
That.
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Dan Bernstein
That. That is. That is not ready written all over it. And if there's a time and a place at the end of a win, at the end of a loss, that is a. That. That guy needs seasoning. And that would have been a perfect Euro stash to just let him play in another league entirely until his body fills out and until he's read that is. That is not ready for NBA at all. And if there's going to be a time and a place to find a very specific matchup, you want to put him in, see what he can do. Okay. All right, I get it. But this team needs a reckoning right now. And we're going to talk about all of this on the latest organizations win championships that we're recording later today. We'll release it this afternoon. Because this game also, it reminds me of a couple of years ago when the. At halftime when there was a blow up in the locker room when Goran Dragic, of all people had to start screaming at Zach Levine because I think they had allowed something like 74 points in Minneapolis. That's what this reminds me of. You come off that floor allowing 74 first half points to the New Orleans Pelicans, and make no mistake, they got some dudes. I got my Jose Alvarado assists in first five minutes. He had four assists. I only needed three. I did not get my. My Bryce Young yards and my DBU picks, though. So I split those.
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Matt Abaticola
I got my Brock Purdy.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah, you did.
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Matt Abaticola
Under, under 254. One touchdown, three interceptions.
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Dan Bernstein
Three interceptions in the first half. Yeah. Every time I looked up, he was throwing an interception. Every time I was flipping back from the Bulls game because I was rage quitting the Bulls game over and over again. Because I kept getting pissed on. And then there was this waiting, this. Well, we'll turn it on. We'll turn. Okay, we're down 7 after a quarter. Oh, really? Okay, well. Well, you're still down. Well, you're still down. Okay, we'll turn it on. The third quarter. They're not good enough to do that. They're not. They're not good enough to do that. They're not good enough to stand, stand around. They're not good enough to forget which of their opponents can shoot. They're not good enough to just turn around without finding a body to box out. The physicality is lacking. You got other teams jumping over you, pushing you out of the way. I know we made a lot about modest. Bouzel is putting on £20 or whatever it is, everything we make up. But how much muscle he's got. Play like it.
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Matt Abaticola
Well, I'm glad you brought that up because looking at their last 10, they're three and seven. And Buzzelis in his plus minus is minus 49. And it's just, it seems like consistently.
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Dan Bernstein
He was getting abused, he was getting physically abused. People are getting pushed around. And when you have no rim protection, the Bulls don't. You've got to win at the point of attack on ball screens. And that was the plan when you had Lonzo Ball and Alex Caruso out there blowing up the ball screen actions. The Bulls are too weak on screens. And I think at the end of the game, finally, finally, finally, at the end of the game when he wasn't pining for bad post ups Stacy King mentioned, and he finally got it, like I've been waiting for it. And it wasn't until the end of the game where I don't want to hear they're flat, they're flat. They're more than. It's not just being flat. You can't start, you know, wait until a screen runs into you and then decide to switch because they've already figured that out. Teams are already realizing that switch is coming. And as the switch starts to occur, then you've got guys making moves with the ball and off the ball, anticipating that. You gotta ice some of these pick and rolls. You gotta get over the top of that. Let the big guy drop zone and ice it. That takes a ton of effort. Multiple efforts per shot clock, per possession, multiple helps and recoveries and understanding who can shoot and who can't. This goes for their closeouts. There's no reason to come racing out to close out on a guy that you would prefer to shoot. It know who it is. You don't go scrambling out to a bad shooter. You hurry out to a good shooter. If it's a bad shooter, you close under control and make sure he can't get around you. Because when you do come out that fast, he doesn't even need to pump fake. He just watches your feet and watches your hands and goes around you, which he wanted to do anyway, and it plays right into that guy's hands. Know your. Your assignment, know who you're guarding and match up in transition. These are simple things. I don't know how much time you have to practice. You almost have no time to practice in the NBA. But this team needs a. A couple of hard practices to be reminded of some of this stuff. And all that clowning around after the Wizards game. Vucci major point. And if he's like, hey, I'm taking the night off, my ankle hurts. You guys go do this. Go beat the Pelicans. I don't know how that got decided, but good. I hope he was sitting there in street clothes going, oh, okay, go get it, guys. Show me. You go get it. You go beat the lowly Pelicans in front of their crowd of six people. Go ahead and do that. And they got punked. The Bulls got absolutely punked. And I hope it resonates. You've heard us talk about protein bar and kitchen, and this week they have dropped something big. Introducing the brand new Power players menu. These are your favorite PBK classics, but now they're packed with even more protein. And right now, because you're listening to DBU to Dan Bernstein Unfiltered, you can get an exclusive 50% off when you order through the PBK app or any of their digital kiosks in their Chicagoland locations. So it's the app or that kiosk that is essentially the app. It's major protein upgrades and some of their most popular items if you're looking to stay full and energized and on track. So check this out. The Power Mexicali, 50 grams of protein. The Power Cobb Salad. Mmm. 70 grams of protein. The Power Black Bean Bowl, 56 grams. The Power Buffalo Bowl, 50 grams. The Power Spinach and Pesto. 53 grams of protein. So if you want a meal that tastes amazing and actually fuels your day, this is the way to go. As I mentioned, right now, as a DBU listener, you get 50% off your next protein bar and kitchen Visit. Up to $25 off, one use per person when ordering in the app or the digital kiosk. The offer is not valid on delivery or catering orders or at the airport locations, but you've got the chance here to get one of these major protein upgrades at 50% off at protein bar and kitchen all day power There is another NBA story that is also, in a way becoming a potential baseball story if you're a White Sox fan, have you been reading some of the complaints against Phoenix Suns owner Matt Ishbia? No? Okay. Matt Ishbia, the brother of of White Sox owner in waiting, Justin Ishbia. And that's important to note.
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Matt Abaticola
Best friends of the Pope, it's his brother.
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Dan Bernstein
It's not the same guy. Matt is not Justin. Justin is not Matt. However, there's another lawsuit. The minority owners of the Phoenix Suns have some very serious allegations that have been levied against Matt Ishbia, and I'm just going to read you some of what is alleged in the complaint and some of the responses here based on this reporting at espn. Scott Selden and Andy Kohlberg, who are holdovers from the previous ownership group under Robert Sarver, have made this filing in Delaware State court that is made public Monday. Seldon and Kohlberg sued the team in August, alleging that Matt Ishbia refused access to internal records and they held a capital call on June 2, quote, to exert pressure on and dilute, unquote, the ownership shares held by the Sun's minority owners. Ishbia countersued last month. He's called this lawsuit a shakedown. In a statement through a spokesperson, the filing states as follows. Matt Ishbia does not own the Suns to make money for the company, but he does operate it as a personal fiefdom for his own personal gain and for the benefit of his other businesses, his mortgage company, United Wholesale Mortgage. The reality is that Ishbia is using the sons as his personal piggy bank, including through a lengthy list of conflicted transactions, only some of which the minority owners are aware of. Amid several allegations, Selden and Kohlberg say that Ishpia extended a loan to the sons at an interest rate far above market, that he sold the naming rights to the Sun's arena to his mortgage company without disclosing details to the minority partners.
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Matt Abaticola
That's not good.
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Dan Bernstein
And then he leased the Phoenix Mercury's practice facility from himself at undisclosed rates and established a new entity called the Player 15 group that they say appears to hold assets that belong to the Suns. Now. Regarding the capital call, Selden and Kohlberg also say Ishbia tried to punitively dilute their shares if they didn't fund a capital raise on a 10 day deadline while hiding his own failure to fund by the deadline in the filing quote. In other words, Ishbia blundered into the very trap he set for the minority owners and faced a devastating dilution of his ownership interest if his failure was discovered, a failure that would wipe off his net worth and put his continued status as an NBA team owner and governor in jeopardy. So the lawyer representing Selden and Kohlberg said, we believe this scheme backfired and will result in a substantial reduction of Mr. Ishbia's interest in the Suns. He has repeatedly abused his position as manager of the franchise to benefit himself, not the Suns. Now Ishbia, through his spokesperson, issued this denial. He said this isn't a lawsuit. It is a shameless shakedown dressed up as a legal process. From day one. Matt Ishbia was transparent. He was going to do things differently, contrary to how the team was previously managed to. He made it very clear he would invest significantly into the Suns and the Mercury. He told all the investors they could step up with him or sell their stake and step aside. Kohlberg and Selden stayed in and now they're trying to freeload off the value Matt created. They want to drag the organization backward and they openly admit in this filing investing in the team and its fans makes no business sense. They're advocating neglect. They're free to sell their shares in the open market and if they don't, they should be prepared to lose this lawsuit. Selden and Kohlberg also say the Suns and Mercury have been operating a net loss since Ishbia came aboard. The exact figures are unknown. They say he has spent wildly on player and coach contracts, incurred massive tax penalties from the NBA and built himself an expensive clubhouse to hold court and hand out favors to his guests. At the same time, Ishbia has mortgaged the Sun's future by trading away valuable draft picks for years to come and has knowingly foregone significant revenue opportunities. So this is this keeps going on and on. The latest lawsuit from Selden and Kohlberg is their seventh against the Suns since November of 2024. Others have been filed by current or former employees, allegations including discrimination, retaliation, harassment and wrongful termination. And ishpi it goes hard in response. Anyone can file a lawsuit for any reason they want, for anything they want, he said. How many lawsuits have we lost? Zero. How many will we lose? Zero. The way I look at it is we don't settle. We don't settle with somebody you want to say, give me $30,000 and I won't file a lawsuit. I say file a lawsuit. We didn't do anything wrong. If we do something wrong, we take care of people. I'm not going to be leveraged by people. So that is Matt Ishbia on the muscle. He is the owner of the Suns. And yes, his brother is Justin Ishbia, who is the apparent owner in waiting of the Chicago White Sox. So the question you have is, as a White Sox fan, should this concern me? The answer? Maybe. Maybe it should. If we see Justin's name somewhere, that changes things. At the moment, we're going to treat them as two separate people with two separate business interests and maybe separate ways of doing business. The last we heard from Justin, as you mentioned, Matty, he was meeting the Pope and I think saying all the right things. I thought he handled that just right. Didn't seem to be grandstanding. Seemed to be talking about serving the fans and doing right by the fans and being a steward is the word that he used.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, he didn't say owner. Steward.
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Dan Bernstein
Steward of a public interest.
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Matt Abaticola
So he's the steward in waiting.
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Dan Bernstein
I like that. I think that's good politics from his point. But words, talk is cheap. It's easy to say stuff. It is how you behave. And obviously the stuff that Matt Ishbia is doing is outside and maybe off the books or off the public record. And it takes lawsuits and the discovery process to bring those things out. That's exactly what I would tell Jordan Hudson as she says she's going to sue Pablo Torre. Go ahead. If you want discovery, go ahead.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah, it's, it's funny. What's it. Matt Ishbia. Is that his name? When he said comment, you read there about, about the number of lawsuits they have against him. It sounds like a.
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Dan Bernstein
It's.
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Matt Abaticola
It sounds like the current administration, like there's a reason why you have multiple lawsuits against you. Like, like one. One could be an anomaly, you know? Well, you get one crazy person that comes at you for something, but you get. You get 6, 7, 8, 9, 10.
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Dan Bernstein
It depends who's 30. I mean, but if it's the same people filing them, that question can also snap back. Yeah. So I would just say sit back and watch.
- [38:49]
Matt Abaticola
Relax and strap down.
- [38:50]
Dan Bernstein
You don't have to relax.
- [38:51]
Matt Abaticola
Oh, okay.
- [38:52]
Dan Bernstein
Don't relax. I would not advise you.
- [38:53]
Matt Abaticola
Oh, just on Bears talk, relax. But this is. You going to. You don't have to relax.
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Dan Bernstein
I would say if you are a White Sox fan, concerned about what you're getting in your new owner slash steward. I'd say keep your, your radar attuned. Watch all of these filings carefully and especially stuff that's said under oath. If you don't see Justin's name and I do think he's on the, on the board so I believe he does have an official position on the Suns. But just I would say watch it closely. I thought he did watch it closely. So far there isn't any immediate red flag, any immediate concern by association, blood or otherwise to what's going on with the Suns. But if this is a reason to worry about worrying, perhaps if you're in pre worry, I'm the worrying expert. I am the worrier. Bang bang. So make sure that you stay abreast of this is what I would say because it's fair to be worried about having something to worry about.
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Matt Abaticola
You know, I was looking at some NBA stuff here after your Pelicans and Bulls commentary. Well, I was. I wanted to look at points scored. Points scored per team like their average.
- [40:22]
Dan Bernstein
Yeah, it is.
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Matt Abaticola
It's insane. What the. And I get it. I don't explain why. I understand why. It's a, it's a different game today. Last time that I was trying to find the last season when every team in the NBA scored, they averaged under 100 points.
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Dan Bernstein
Probably when the league was unwatchable.
- [40:42]
Matt Abaticola
Probably.
- [40:42]
Dan Bernstein
Yeah. But that would be like the heyday of the Van Gundy era.
- [40:46]
Matt Abaticola
27, 20, 2017, the 201718 season, there was two teams in the league that averaged under 100 points. That's the last time you had A team average under 100. That was the Kings and the Grizzlies. I just, I've gotten back as far as where am I at here? 1998, 99 season you only you had one team that averaged over 100 points and it was the Kings at 100.2. They were just barely over. There's always been. There's always been a couple teams but just kind of, kind of going back. But man, it's just, it's crazy how it's pace. How the pace and the three point shooting has just evolved and developed.
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Dan Bernstein
And it's number of possessions too. It's not just three point shooting. It's the total number of possessions that are played.
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Matt Abaticola
I mean but you have a 2 and 15 team that, that scores 34 or more in every quarter against you.
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Dan Bernstein
Just crazy. They had 74 points at half. That's when you go in there and you. And you lock the doors of the locker room and you and you put an axe handle through and you lock everybody in through the storm doors and you talk to each other and you take a little bit of pride, a little bit of pride in what you're doing out there against a bad team. This was your chance to pad your schedule. All the talk earlier. Boy, this. Look at these bulls. They're five and one. They're six and one. They're five and. Oh, this is great. It is great. It's great.
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Matt Abaticola
Yeah. You're nine and eight now. Yeah.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah. And you, you nearly lost. You had a rally back to back.
- [42:20]
Matt Abaticola
Started in Portland against teams that had started three wins.
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Dan Bernstein
Start in Portland with everybody out, everybody missing. Yeah. Started there like, come on now, have a little bit of pride. They don't. You don't have room to take a night off. You don't have room to take a possession off. And that's why when they start talking about their depth, because everybody, the reason why, the depths, we grades, everybody's playing hard. And when you're not and when you're missing your damn free throws, I say I was close to throwing the remote through the television. Nothing pisses me off like that. You know what make me feel better? A well turned medium rare Omaha steak. I've got it down to a science right now because the filet mignons that they sent me, I actually like to pan sear them. You throw in a clove of garlic and a sprig of rosemary or thyme. You use like a compound butter. Oh, man, I'm telling you. And the other thing too, in the compound butter at the end, if you throw a tiny bit of red wine and do like a burouge in there with like a whole garlic clove and you brown that off. Then you smush the garlic clove at the end and then you pour it over the steak. After the steak's rested, then we're talking. And now is your chance to enjoy everything Omaha Steaks has to offer. Because it's the cyber sale. You can get 50% off site wide and extra 20% off select favorites@omaha steaks.com do not miss the the best deals of the season and exclusive limited time offers. Plus you still get an extra $35 off with the promo code. Bernstein at checkout. Just my last name Bernstein. Terms apply. See site for details. Now this is unrivaled quality and variety. It's Omaha Steaks 100% guarantee. And the cyber sale is the perfect time to shop for unforgettable gifts, exclusive limited time deals and more. If you place your order by 5:00 clock central time, 5:00pm it's going to ship same day. And you can send this experience of Omaha Steaks. So from the moment it arrives to the moment they enjoy it, that's all the time that your gift recipient is thinking of you. So take the stress out of it. You don't have to know anybody's shirt size or anything like that. Everybody's steak size is Omaha. Omaha Steak's been the America's original butcher since 1917, still a family owned company. And just click around and see the mouthwatering burgers and chicken and pork and seafood. And don't forget the caramel apple tartlets. Save big on unforgettable gifts with Omaha steaks. Visit Omaha steaks.com for 50% off site wide. An extra 20% off select favorites during the cyber sale. For that extra $35 off, don't forget to use the promo code. That's my last name. B E R N S T E I n Bernstein Omaha Steaks.com promo code Bernstein at checkout terms apply. See site for details.
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Matt Abaticola
All right, I'm at the 196364 season. It's never happened where every team has been under 100 points. Okay, never.
- [45:36]
Dan Bernstein
Well, that's since the shot clock. Since the George Mikin shot clock they put in.
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Matt Abaticola
God, I hate that in high school basketball. I think Illinois is getting it this year maybe. Or is it next year? I. We go watch a lot of the high school games. Really enjoy watching them. And it's.
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Sleep Number Advertiser
Yeah, it's.
- [45:53]
Matt Abaticola
Oh, it makes me so mad though. It's just I have trouble with irritating too long.
- [45:58]
Dan Bernstein
Yes. Yeah, yeah. I watch college games. Like stop having your little point guard circle around. Bring it out and circle around and bring it out.
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Matt Abaticola
What's the NBA shot clock now? Is it 8, 2, oh 2. Okay. Long past shoot. Long past shoot.
- [46:14]
Dan Bernstein
Yep.
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Matt Abaticola
Well, I've seen games like that.
- [46:16]
Dan Bernstein
Yep. It's okay.
- [46:17]
Matt Abaticola
Five second possessions up and down the court.
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Dan Bernstein
If you have been around the north side of Chicago and you've seen something flying around that you couldn't identify. Guess what's back. Guess what's back.
- [46:33]
Matt Abaticola
McRib.
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Dan Bernstein
The snowy owls are back in Chicago. We do not know if we have an eruption. It's not eruption, it's eruption irr. And eruption year is when there's just a lot of a certain species that happen to migrate here. And you don't really know with snowy owls. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. Sometimes it depends on the lemming population. Way up at the Arctic Circle, where they've got their food, sometimes they've had a really good breeding year and there's just more of them. And the fact that we've so. We've so accelerated the eventual destruction of our planet that a lot of this stuff is getting kind of crazy for reasons that we really don't care to investigate too deeply, because it's our fault. But bottom line is, Montrose beach now has snowy owls. There were two that were spotted there. I was lucky in the last eruption year to not have to seek them out. So not on my bucket list. It was the winter of 2017, going into 2018, when it was in evening, it was just after dusk, and I was walking at California and just north of Irving park, right along the west side of the river, McFetridge. I was taking Jason to hockey and I brought him in and then I forgot something from the car. I went out to the car and I came back and I looked up and I said, why is there a gull flying? Because usually they're already roosting by evening. You don't see gulls at night. And I said, that's a huge gull. And it swooped down on you right over my head.
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Matt Abaticola
Oh, wow.
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Dan Bernstein
I'd say, you know, maybe 20ft up.
- [48:30]
Matt Abaticola
And it was a snow owl.
- [48:31]
Dan Bernstein
It was snowy. Yeah, it was a snowy owl. And I was jumping up and down, like, looking around. Does anybody else see this? Does anybody else see. Look at that. It's a snowy. So if you say, what's a snowy owl? That's the Harry Potter owl. Like Hedwig.
- [48:46]
Matt Abaticola
How is your Harry Potter?
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Dan Bernstein
How's your Harry Potter? Yeah, like Hedwig is a snowy. There is awesome to look at. And they love to sit. Like, an airport would be a great place for them. They're a tundra hunter. They'll sit on a little grassy knoll and just look and use their vision and look across the windswept tundra and wait to see a lemming. And then they go eat it.
- [49:12]
Matt Abaticola
There's the snowy owl on the grassy knoll.
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Dan Bernstein
I don't know what they're eating around here, whether it's rats or rabbits or squirrels, but apparently, children, there's enough to bring them down here. And if you are going to see, just don't be stupid, don't run after them, don't try to take a selfie with them. Follow the cue from other experienced birders who were there. Just don't be an idiot. Because at Montrose a couple of years ago, there were long Eared owls. And I was lucky enough to be there on that day, which is even kind of more rare to see. And there were three of them that were all in the same tree. That was really cool. But there's. Apparently they're worried because there's some peregrine falcons that are around right now and they're worried about their maybe some territoriality and the fact that falcons will attack anything. So just take your cue or actually ask if there are veteran birders out there. If you are planning on going and seeing them, just take good binoculars. Do stay far away. They can't get spooked if you've got dogs and stuff like that. Because they've got to be aware of if the. If the falcons are a nuisance or a threat, their senses have to be attuned to them and not to you and your noise and your phone and your dogs and your kids. So be very careful with that.
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Matt Abaticola
I found it here, dan. It's the 1953. 54 season was the last time. And was that the shot clock was 54. So the last season when every NBA team averaged under 100 points, you had the New York Knicks, the Syracuse Nationals, the Boston Celtics, the Philadelphia warriors, the Baltimore Bullets, Minneapolis Lakers, the Rochester Royals, the Fort Wayne Pistons, and the Milwaukee.
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Dan Bernstein
Hawks, the Fort Wayne Zollner Pistons.
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Matt Abaticola
So that was it, the last time.
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Dan Bernstein
I have done games.
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Matt Abaticola
Nine teams.
- [51:04]
Dan Bernstein
I have broadcast games from the home arena of the Fort Wayne Pistons.
- [51:10]
Matt Abaticola
Oh, really?
- [51:10]
Dan Bernstein
It was War Memorial, Allen County, War Memorial Coliseum.
- [51:14]
Matt Abaticola
I've heard of that. Who plays there now?
- [51:16]
Dan Bernstein
I don't know. I think it's just a public place.
- [51:19]
Matt Abaticola
That's where the four was like an independent team or.
- [51:22]
Dan Bernstein
I don't know. It's where the Fort Wayne Fury played their games. That's where, you know Lloyd Daniels on some of those teams. You know who else was on the Fort Wayne Fury back then? Frank Cornett, the father of Luke Cornett.
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Matt Abaticola
Oh, really?
- [51:34]
Dan Bernstein
Yes.
- [51:35]
Matt Abaticola
Yeah, the Milwaukee Hawks that year, Dan, were 21 and 51. They averaged 70 points per game. That's what the Pelicans did in the half last night.
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Dan Bernstein
Yeah, you let the pelicans get 74, by the way. Zion looks pretty good. I think Zion's had a bit of the zempic.
- [51:56]
Matt Abaticola
Oh, Zempic's hell of a joke.
- [51:57]
Dan Bernstein
My guess is he's had a bit of the zempic. But more impressive than his weight, he got a quiet 27. And at the end of the game, I looked at him very at the foul line. I expected him to Be huffing and puffing and dripping sweat. He wasn't.
- [52:15]
Matt Abaticola
Yeah, that's what happens when you lose weight.
- [52:16]
Dan Bernstein
End of the game, dry as a bone.
- [52:19]
Matt Abaticola
Less weight to carry up another court.
- [52:21]
Dan Bernstein
Yeah, but it was. It was clear at the end of the game that he was. He's in much better condition now. If he can just keep his feet healthy and just. And not have some of these, you know, wear and tear injuries on ankles and knees and feet and all that, he's a damn good player. Like you see it there. If you can just keep the weight off and keep the springiness a little bit and stay in cardiovascular shape, good for him. I don't know what did he say his. The. The. The. The cheat food was or the danger food was for him. I know everybody's got their own little problem.
- [52:54]
Matt Abaticola
I don't know.
- [52:54]
Dan Bernstein
For the Bears, Aaron Gibson, it was his. His wife's lasagna. I know. For years ago, for Marcus Kennedy, it was Cool Ranch Doritos. I asked a scout, I said, what's keeping this guy out of. He said, cool Ranch Doritos. I said, seriously? He goes, no, I am serious. And don't call me Shirley. I said, I am serious. He said, cool Ranch Doritos are keeping him out of the NBA. The guy eats bags of them on every bus ride.
- [53:18]
Matt Abaticola
Really?
- [53:19]
Dan Bernstein
Oh, Marcus. Yeah. Eastern Michigan's big. Marcus Kennedy, Big goggle guy, great rebounder. That's good.
- [53:24]
Matt Abaticola
Ever with the Cool Ranch Doritos? Every now and then, sure. I'm not sure. Every. Every day?
- [53:29]
Dan Bernstein
Oh, no. Every once in a while. Every once in a while, I'll wreck some Cool Ranch Doritos because they're good. Oh, they're.
- [53:38]
Matt Abaticola
They're really good.
- [53:39]
Dan Bernstein
So are Cheetos.
- [53:40]
Matt Abaticola
I saw a bag last night. We were out doing Thanksgiving day shopping, and there's Doritos.
- [53:45]
Dan Bernstein
Wait, you were. You weren't. We're still door bustering, right?
- [53:50]
Matt Abaticola
Yeah.
- [53:50]
Dan Bernstein
Okay. Just making sure.
- [53:52]
Matt Abaticola
No, like, for food to cook for Thanksgiving.
- [53:55]
Dan Bernstein
Okay.
- [53:56]
Matt Abaticola
And Doritos has a jalapeno late night jalapeno popper flavor.
- [54:03]
Dan Bernstein
I'm out.
- [54:04]
Matt Abaticola
I think they have, like, a whole late night line.
- [54:06]
Dan Bernstein
I don't need more flavors.
- [54:07]
Matt Abaticola
There's like, late night taco and is.
- [54:10]
Dan Bernstein
That basically saying you have to be high to like it?
- [54:13]
Matt Abaticola
That's what I was thinking. Or drunk one of the two. Because if you're up late at night, you're either sneaking food from your wife, like, she doesn't see you and get, you know, yell at you for eating snacks, or you're Drunk or high.
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Dan Bernstein
If you call something late night, I think we know the presumption.
- [54:30]
Matt Abaticola
Drunk or hot.
- [54:30]
Dan Bernstein
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Matt Abaticola
Wow.
- [56:21]
Dan Bernstein
He was jigging for lake trout.
- [56:23]
Matt Abaticola
Sounds big.
- [56:24]
Dan Bernstein
He thought it was a lake trout. It is big. That. That's like a. That's like a Lake Erie walleye. And they were fishing. They're fishing for Lakers. He thought he was hung up on a rock. He. A spinning rod was 17 pound mono and a half ounce jigging spoon with white tinsel hair.
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Matt Abaticola
Oh, the half ounce jigging spoon.
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Babbel Advertiser
Yeah.
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Dan Bernstein
That's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. I'm glad. I'm glad you signed off on that one. They thought that this would challenge the state record of 15.08 pounds that was caught in the Pecatonica river in 2012. But my guy Brian over at Park Bait, if you know the folks at Park Bait, it is Stacy Green, still the owner, who inherited from her father and her husband, Brian. And Corey is always there as well. And it was Brian who. Who was in charge of the weighing on the certified scale, 14.3 pounds short of the Illinois record. But it destroyed the unofficial Chicago record. That had been £7 5.5 ounces for a walleye. It nearly doubled. So it was the walleye record nearly doubled for Chicago. Nearly doubled the unofficial Chicago record.
- [57:31]
Matt Abaticola
So the. The previous largest walleye caught in Chicago.
- [57:34]
Dan Bernstein
Was 7 pounds, 7 pounds 5.5 ounces.
- [57:36]
Matt Abaticola
And this dude caught a 14 pounder with the single haired white jigger spoon.
- [57:41]
Dan Bernstein
Careful. Yes. Yes, he did.
- [57:43]
Matt Abaticola
Good for him. Man, that's. That's awesome. I wouldn't have picked that particular bait.
- [57:48]
Dan Bernstein
Yeah, but that's because he was fishing for lake trout.
- [57:51]
Matt Abaticola
Oh, okay. That's why I thought it was for lake trout. I was like, huh, that's weird. How would you catch a walleye with.
- [57:56]
Dan Bernstein
The white spoon and a lake trout spoon? Yeah, right.
- [57:58]
Matt Abaticola
Yeah, that's okay, that makes sense.
- [58:00]
Dan Bernstein
See, now you get it.
- [58:01]
Matt Abaticola
Now I get it. That's huge.
- [58:02]
Dan Bernstein
Right? If he had been, you know, trolling an eerie deery perhaps.
- [58:06]
Matt Abaticola
Yeah.
- [58:07]
Dan Bernstein
Then you would have said, well, sure, yeah, of course.
- [58:10]
Matt Abaticola
An eerie dairy.
- [58:11]
Dan Bernstein
That's.
- [58:12]
Matt Abaticola
Those are dangerous. Gotta watch out for those. Well, we were looking for. We were shark hunting in Lake Michigan the other day.
- [58:20]
Dan Bernstein
You're sharking? Yeah.
- [58:21]
Matt Abaticola
I think I had the wrong bait.
- [58:22]
Dan Bernstein
Yeah.
- [58:23]
Matt Abaticola
Zion Williamson, July of 2023. Article with SI says the foods that give him the most issues are cheeseburgers, pizza and bacon.
- [58:31]
Dan Bernstein
Hello.
- [58:31]
Matt Abaticola
That's all good to me.
- [58:33]
Dan Bernstein
Right?
- [58:33]
Matt Abaticola
You put them all together.
- [58:35]
Dan Bernstein
Well, bacon doesn't make you fat. It's what you have with the bacon.
- [58:39]
Matt Abaticola
Yeah, I mean, but I mean, there's a lot of fat into it.
- [58:42]
Dan Bernstein
Yeah, but bacon doesn't make for you. Bacon doesn't make you fat.
- [58:46]
Matt Abaticola
Yeah, but it's not really good for you, though.
- [58:49]
Dan Bernstein
No, it's not. It's all salt and fat and nitrates. I'm saying it's good for you. But bacon should. You should be able to eat all the bacon you want. That wouldn't really. I mean, pizza, cheeseburgers, it's the fries that really get you and the bread.
- [59:03]
Matt Abaticola
And the bread that'll do it to you.
- [59:05]
Dan Bernstein
But I'd like to just say again, congrats, Leo Garfield.
- [59:08]
Matt Abaticola
Yeah, congrats. That's great. That's catching that thing with that bait. That's awesome.
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Dan Bernstein
It's a great picture. It's a nice fish. It's a nice piece fish. Well done. Reminder, forward progress is going to get into all things Bears in just a bit. And then later on this afternoon, if you are a Bulls fan, and there's we're going to let this team have it, I think. And also, Kendall Gill said something last night that really, really missed Jason Goff being there to give him the look he needed. Jason Goff to shoot him a look last night. That's all coming up on today's Organizations Win Championships. This has been Dan Bernstein Unfiltered. And it's brought to you in partnership with with my bookie, Dan Bernstein.
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Matt Abaticola
Unfiltered.
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Dan Bernstein
Unfiltered.
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Matt Abaticola
On three, one, two, sports.