Will the Chicago Bulls move assets before the trade deadline?

Summary

Dan Bernstein Unfiltered

Episode: Will the Chicago Bulls move assets before the trade deadline?
Date: January 14, 2026
Host: Dan Bernstein
Producer/Co-host: Jason (presumed to be Jason Goff, regular Bulls commentator)

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Overview

This episode dives deep into the Chicago Bulls’ chronic mediocrity, their injury-plagued season, and looming possibilities (or lack thereof) around the trade deadline. Dan Bernstein and Jason riff candidly on the state of the Bulls’ roster, debate the merits of tanking for the 2026 NBA Draft, and scrutinize Artūras Karnišovas’ (AK’s) front office moves. The conversation widens to reflect on league-wide developments, young prospects, and a healthy dose of Bulls-fan existential angst. The tone is irreverent, sarcastic, and unfiltered, aiming to give fans the “no BS” sports talk they expect from Bernstein.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Bulls’ Stuck in Neutral: Same Record, Same Frustration

• Opening context:

  • Bulls are 18–21, 10th in the East, stuck with bottom-tier offense and defense.
  • Injury list continually growing: Giddey out, Zach Collins in a boot, others day-to-day.
  • The symmetry to past years is “depressingly familiar.”

• Notable quote:

  “If this sounds familiar when I say The Bulls are 18 and 21… I think they have been 18 and 21 at least the last three years.” – Jason [00:42]

2. Injury Issues and Lack of Star Power

• Extensive discussion of Bulls’ injury problems and lack of a marketing draw.

• Fans want to see the few “draws” like Giddey and White, but squad is never fully healthy.

• Trey Jones and Jalen Smith highlighted as players making the most of opportunities.

• Notable quote:

  “If you looked at the bench… there are four seats that are unfilled… Like a youth hockey game where some kids can’t make it to the game.” – Dan [05:25]

3. Fan Fatigue Over Injuries vs. Playing Hurt

• Jason laments how the distinction between being injured and just being hurt is blurry, expressing frustration from a fan’s perspective:

  “There’s got to be a big difference between injury and pain and just being hurt.” – Jason [05:42]

4. Tanking and 2026 Draft Prospects

• Both hosts discuss the merits of pivoting to a tank given the 2026 NBA Draft class (highlighting DebonSA, Peterson, Boozer).

• Boozer, in particular, is praised for being NBA-ready, high-floor, smart, but not necessarily “spectacular.”

• Longer exchange:

  • Dan: “I don’t think he’s a generational type player, but I think he could be a multiple time all star.” [08:45]
  • Jason: “Like assuming he doesn't in around the quality of somebody like Al Horford… but I still don’t think there’s going to be—he’s just not a spectacular player, Boozer. He is. He’s skilled and smart and responsible and creative.” [09:18–09:29]

5. Looming Trade Deadline: The Same Old Bulls?

• Central question: Will the Bulls actually make changes at the trade deadline, or continue to cling to “continuity”?

• Bernstein is cynical:

  “They’re going to do nothing.” – Dan [11:51]

• Jason emphatic in contrast:

  “I’ll bet you on that one. They have to. You have too many guys with contracts coming up.” [11:55]

• Players cited as likely trade candidates: Vucevic (“Vuch”), White, Dosunmu, Herder, Jalen Smith.

• Trust in the front office (“AK”) is low, despite praise for the Lonzo Ball and Giddey trades.

6. Failures in Asset Accumulation and Team Building

• Critique of Bulls’ inability to stockpile draft picks, using Houston’s draft-based approach as a counterpoint.

• Rockets built with drafted players (Jalen Green, Jabari Smith Jr., Alperen Sengun, Amen Thompson) – contrasted with Bulls’ piecemeal approach.

  “And there’s only one way to build a team. And it’s through the draft right now.” – Jason [14:29]

7. Game Recaps and Chicago Sports Detours

• Quick summaries of:
  • Bulls’ recent loss to Houston and Detroit (plagued by opponent athleticism and missing stars)
  • Dallas Mavs’ odd lineups
  • The United Center condensation-related postponement vs. Miami (“I loved watching Adam Ameen and Stacey… vamp” – Dan [22:21])
• Pops in and out of tangents on other Chicago sports moments (Cubs signing Bregman, Bears lucky sweater rituals).

8. East-wide Movements and Player Development

• Breakdowns of recent Eastern Conference trades, specifically:

  • Trae Young to the Wizards, McCollum and Kispert to the Hawks
  • Hawks emerging as contenders with backcourt retooling

  “And they got Porzingis. That’s a real ass team. They can compete.” – Dan [26:11]

• Cleveland’s Evan Mobley scrutinized for lack of offensive evolution

  “I think he’s limited by his inability to make threes consistently. I think that is it.” – Dan [26:36]

9. Bulls’ Unfulfilled Promise and Need for a Hard Reset

• Laments about how this could have been the year for “competitive continuity,” especially with other East teams in flux due to injuries … but the Bulls can’t field healthy lineups, let alone contend.

• Consensus: Tear it down for assets NOW; sell high on whatever value remains.

  “You’ve got to trade these people. You’ve got to make every single move that you can right now.” – Jason [30:54]

• Even “hopeful” assets like Patrick Williams have failed to blossom despite opportunities:

  “All these injuries have given him every chance, every single chance … And it ends poorly.” – Jason [33:27]

10. NBA and Bulls Trivia Showdown (Fun Segment)

• Father–son NBA scoring duos (with Dan and Jason trading guesses—trivia starts at [35:31])
• Players to draw the most charges since 2016 (Kyle Lowry, Jalen Brunson, Kemba Walker, Ersan Ilyasova, Blake Griffin) [40:02]
  • Colorful disbelief at Ersan Ilyasova’s inclusion sparks a running joke about his “realness.”

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Notable Quotes and Moments (with Timestamps)

• “It’s a record that they tend to like.” – Jason [00:42]
• “Why don’t you just bring up a G-League guy and… just getting bodies at this point in the season when you’re 18 and 21, things aren’t looking up…” – Dan [07:43]
• “They’re going to do nothing.” – Dan (on Bulls at trade deadline) [11:51]
• “I’ll bet you on that one. … They have to.” – Jason [11:55]
• “He could step into the league right now and give you 15. I’m convinced.” – Dan (on Boozer) [10:44]
• “And there’s only one way to build a team. And it’s through the draft right now.” – Jason [14:29]
• “If Trey Jones makes one of those, that’s feasible. But Okoro shot well, Trade Jones shot remarkably well. Dalen made a three.” – Dan [13:14]
• “If Trae Young was holding the Hawks back… now… you finally have a real vet in the backcourt. … That’s a real ass team.” – Dan [26:11]
• “You’ve got to trade these people. You’ve got to make every single move that you can right now.” – Jason [30:54]
• “All these injuries have given [Patrick Williams] every chance, every single chance… and it ends poorly.” – Jason [33:27]

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Important Segments & Timestamps

• Bulls at 18–21, repeat mediocrity: [00:42–02:00]
• Injury updates & bench depletion: [03:56–05:42]
• Discussion of effort vs. pain and injury: [05:42–06:49]
• Tanking and 2026 NBA Draft prospects: [07:43–11:15]
• Trade deadline showdown (“do nothing” vs. “they have to”): [11:46–14:36]
• Team construction critique & Houston’s example: [14:36–16:41]
• Detroit game recap & Bulls’ lack of athleticism: [17:13–19:29]
• United Center postponement story: [20:16–22:45]
• Eastern Conference shakeups / Mobley / Bosh talk: [25:27–29:26]
• Call to rebuild and asset accumulation: [29:59–33:09]
• Final word on Patrick Williams’ lack of progress: [33:13–34:21]
• NBA trivia showdown: [35:31–47:00]

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Final Thoughts

• The episode is classic Bernstein: acerbic, insightful, occasionally exasperated, but always honest about the state of Chicago basketball and the NBA at large.
• The Bulls are “stuck in the mud,” repeating the same mistakes and hesitations, and the trade deadline looms as the last chance to break the cycle—or cement another year of half-hearted mediocrity.
• Listeners come away with not just a tactical breakdown of Bulls basketball, but a sense of the existential crisis facing fans: Stay invested, or finally demand a teardown and true rebuild?

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End of Summary

Transcript

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[Jason]

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[Dan Bernstein]

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[Jason]

This is episode 127 of Organizations Win Championships, a Chicago Bulls podcast here on 312 sports. And if you think I've said it before, if this sounds familiar, when I say The Bulls are 18 and 21, they I think they have been 18 and 21 at least the last three years. It's just, it's, can you look it up? I haven't yet. Sorry.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Jason]

It's, you're, you're the research department. It's, it's a record that they tend to like. And The Bulls are 10th in the east after their loss to Houston last night. They have their offensive rating puts them 20th of 30. The defensive rating 25th of 30, net rating of minus 3.5, 23rd of 30. And you know, you hate to say it, but it is more of the same in that there's fits and starts and you see some solid performances. And it has been impossible with the injuries with Giddey still out. And now apparently the injury to Zach Collins is a it's not quite exactly a turf toe, but it's enough that he's not making any progress. He's still in a boot. I'm not even going to start to expect him back until we get any further updates.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right. He only had that one little stretch of the season and he was playing great. But maybe he's glass. You never know. I saw a meme today when it was announced that Anthony Davis doesn't need surgery and that he'd be reevaluated in six weeks. It was just a picture of Anthony Davis and it was Photoshopped so his entire body was wrapped in bubble wrap. So I mean, yeah, it's just, it's just annoying. And we'll get into the past few games and the postponement of, of the Miami Heat game, which was very interesting, but I don't think there's much to talk about with the Mavericks game. Just because nobody was watching that game. I know both of us were not. And I think for good reason.

[Jason]

I was following it, though. I was not watching it, but I was keeping up with the score. During commercial breaks. I do think that the most of the city of Chicago and most of most Bulls fandom, with the exception of a few lunatics, was tuned in full time to that game.

[Dan Bernstein]

So. And what a game it was. And that was a good day for Chicago, huh? It was Bulls, Bears, Blackhawks, and the Cubs signed Alex Bregman.

[Jason]

Yes, that's right. They all won. Well, no, there's my phone.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm not being used.

[Jason]

I had just had a text. I wanted to make sure it wasn't.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, I'm emergency.

[Jason]

You are, actually.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes, I'm off my phone. You're on your phone more than I am.

[Jason]

That's not true.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, yeah, it is.

[Jason]

No, it's not.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes, it is. No.

[Jason]

When I'm watching something, generally I'm watching.

[Dan Bernstein]

Something that's just not true at all.

[Jason]

Yes, it is.

[Dan Bernstein]

During movies that you don't need to care about. You're not on your phone. During sports games that you need to care about. Like the Bulls. I've seen you on your phone during Bulls games so many times.

[Jason]

Usually I'm checking things that I need to know during the game or it's.

[Dan Bernstein]

During commercial checking things. But no, I've seen you text about the most random shit during Bulls games, Bears games, in your little nut job where you're just in your little computer. Jason, how long was that field goal? Just happy I'm not home. I didn't watch the game at home and I didn't. And I didn't. And I'm not home right now.

[Jason]

Well, I'm not going to have you for the Bulls game.

[Dan Bernstein]

Also, also, I think I'm the. By the way, I'm the reason why the Bears won, because during the second half, for good luck, I may or may not have done four shots of.

[Jason]

Malort for good luck during the second. Yeah, you told me that you did that. Yeah, well, the. No, it's, it's. We figured this out. We're going to talk about it probably on forward progress tomorrow or sometime this week. It was also my old bear's sweater that had been discovered at Nana and Papa's house. And Papa had the sweater on for the first half and took it off, and he took it off for the second half. So we're gonna figure out, we're gonna give him instructions for this weekend about what we have to do. Meanwhile, what is going on with Kobe White? What is going on? Which. With the. Is it both Cavs now with which he's day to day and they just make a decision based on that game whether or not his calf is stiff. It's. I'm trying to be. And I heard it a little bit last night in Stacy's voice when he didn't even realize Julian Phillips was hurt last night. I am trying to be.

[Dan Bernstein]

If you looked at. If you looked at the bench itself, in just clips of the game, there are four seats that are unfilled on the floor. Yeah, that's what I mean. It's. It's like a youth hockey game where some kids can't make it to the game.

[Jason]

I'm trying to be as fair as I possibly can be when it comes to erring on the side of caution. I know 82 games is a long schedule, but at some point there's got to be a big difference between injury and pain and just being hurt. I'm not going to. This is hard for me to do because I don't want to call out any one person here, especially with the number of guys that you have in contract years here. But it's really frustrating from a fan's perspective.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

To the extent that I can. I can be. Try to embody that, but it's really, really frustrating.

[Dan Bernstein]

And the thing about the Bulls is that they don't have a megastar right now. But people do want to go to the games to see Josh giddy. People want to go to the games to see Kobe White. And the other guy in that group would be modest. However he's been. He's been playing a lot, knock on wood. Because you never know with this team who they're. Because they're just dropping like flies. But it is frustrating because they're never. We've never really seen them at full strength, I guess.

[Jason]

Well, I want to give a lot of credit to. To Trey Jones.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, my God. I mean, he had 30 whatever.

[Jason]

And to Jalen Smith. He came back from a bad concussion. He came back sooner than I thought. And Jalen Smith, he. He does the most with what he's got. He plays really hard. And the same goes for Kevin Herder. There are guys on this team that really do play hard. And so much gets asked of the healthy guys that it's. It may just be one of these. These negative cycles where when you' to a thin rotation, guys have to play heavier minutes. And they're. And it takes a toll on them. They're being asked to do more, they end up with strains and sprains because they're doing more than they were expected to be asked to do going into the season.

[Dan Bernstein]

At this point, why don't you just bring up a geely guy and you know I'm going to say that I have to. But just getting bodies at this point in the season when you're 18 and 21, things aren't looking up, especially because of these injuries. If you're going to tank. Like, I mean when you got this, this draft class coming up, man, when you got. When you got DebonSA, Peterson and Boozer just kind of sitting there. Especially, especially DeBonsa.

[Jason]

Yeah. Well, Peterson's walking right into the injury problems.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, but did you see him against Iowa State?

[Jason]

I have in glimpses. Yes. And these tiny little glimpses you get of guys you love.

[Dan Bernstein]

Debonso though.

[Jason]

I do, I do. I would. I want to see him work a little harder defensively. But you can't stop him on offense.

[Dan Bernstein]

No. And I'll say this about Boozer. His floor is so high.

[Jason]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

And I don't think he's the most athletic player, but he's a better shooter and I thought he's really responsible and he does, he does the right thing every time. And I think he could be. I don't think he's a generational type player, but I think he could be a multiple time all star.

[Jason]

Do you think just as far as quality of player like arc of somebody's career, like. Like I see him as having a really long successful career.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Jason]

Like assuming he doesn't in around the quality of somebody like Al Horford.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's funny because if he plays that long, that's a hell of a career.

[Jason]

I know it is. I know it is. But I still don't think there's going to be. He's just not a spectacular player, Boozer. He is. He's skilled and smart and responsible and creative.

[Dan Bernstein]

Why can't he be a, a slightly more athletic version of Sengun?

[Jason]

Mm, no.

[Dan Bernstein]

Maybe not as white of the.

[Jason]

He's not as tall. I don't think he's quite as tall. Are you sure?

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't. Well, Shanguna legit seven foot.

[Jason]

Well, how tall is Boozer listed?

[Dan Bernstein]

Is listed at 611.

[Jason]

Yeah. And Boozer's like six, nine.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, he's not. God, I'm forgetting is I'm. It's. Is it. It's Cameron Boozer because he has a twin.

[Jason]

Yeah. The other one. I'm not interested.

[Dan Bernstein]

But Cam Boozer, he is listed at 6, 9.

[Jason]

Yeah, he's. He's listed at 6, 9, which means he's likely shorter than that. So, no, I don't see him. Sengun is. Shangun is a. Is a center. But I do see Boozer being a can't miss, very good player. He will never be worse than a very good NBA player and might still be a star.

[Dan Bernstein]

He could step into the league right now and give you 15. I'm convinced. I think. I think he's. He's already NBA ready.

[Jason]

I agree. I agree. I don't think that's.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't know if DebonSA is. I don't think he is. I don't know if Peterson is. And also if you look at his body too, when you look at Peterson Demonso, they're still a little, you know, they're not quite as filled out. Boozer already looks like a man and he plays like one.

[Jason]

He's got his dad's body and he's got those, those really thick legs, too, which if used correctly can be terrific rather than being a detriment to his game. No, he's. He really does. He's. He's so powerful. He just can't really leap. He's not an explosive athlete in the way that some of these other guys are.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's just that. But back to the Bulls here, it's. If you're this injured, why don't you look at what this draft class looks like?

[Jason]

Trade deadline, man, this. This all comes down to the trade deadline. And watch it.

[Dan Bernstein]

They're going to do nothing.

[Jason]

I'll bet you on that one. I'll bet you on that one. They have to. You have too many guys with contracts coming up.

[Dan Bernstein]

The damn problem, continuity.

[Jason]

The problem is Kobe, White's injuries and him being.

[Dan Bernstein]

Although against Dallas, he was all right.

[Jason]

Yeah, he was. You know this, and I will say this. I knew we're going to get to some of these games. I thought the Bulls played well last night.

[Dan Bernstein]

I did, too.

[Jason]

I thought they played well. They. They had three guys go over from three. If one of those guys has a decent night shooting from three between Patrick.

[Dan Bernstein]

Smith and Vouch a Coral was.

[Jason]

Was over two, wasn't he?

[Dan Bernstein]

No, he was two for four.

[Jason]

It was two for. There was Smith. That was the other over. You're right.

[Dan Bernstein]

But the thing is that I don't think that's a fair assumption because Trey Jones shot 5 of 6 from 3 and he has been terrible all year shooting.

[Jason]

He had his best game of the year.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. He went five of six from three. So I don't think it's because if he shoots one of six.

[Jason]

You're right.

[Dan Bernstein]

You're right. I mean, I guess it's feasible to say, okay, those three guys should have made four total. If Trey Jones makes one of those, that's feasible. But Okoro shot well. Trade. Jones shot remarkably well. Dalen made a three.

[Jason]

It was in rhythm too. Yeah, it was a nice shot. So.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, in the corner. But I, I don't know. Shangun is a problem. Kevin. Kevin Durant is still Kevin Durant.

[Jason]

Man, what are you gonna do? I mean, the guy's still seven feet tall and.

[Dan Bernstein]

But he just. He's so. Well, he's 37 years old.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

And he still looks great.

[Jason]

Well, if you move Vuch at the trading dead line. If you move who. Whether it's White Desumu, I guarantee you somebody's going to want Herder. Yeah, someone's absolutely going to want Jalen Smith.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

So do it. And if in fact, you get a little bit worse.

[Dan Bernstein]

I just don't trust ak.

[Jason]

Well, I don't. You shouldn't. What has happened? Well, it has to.

[Dan Bernstein]

Lonzo Ball trade is looking pretty good. Everyone's saying, oh, it's getting rid of Lonzo Ball for just Isaac Coro is undervalue. Like it's a lopsided trade. No, I think the Bulls won that trade. Lonzo has been awful.

[Jason]

Well, he also made the giddy trade.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, that's true.

[Jason]

Which has helped both teams.

[Dan Bernstein]

However, how much draft capital did you get out of both those trades?

[Jason]

You've got nothing. You got nothing. And there's only one way to build a team. And it's through the draft right now.

[Dan Bernstein]

You look at the Rockets, yes, they do have Kevin Durant on their roster, but he is 37. They still built through the draft because they used Jalen Green to make that trade. Jabari Smith Jr. Drafted Sengun drafted. Amend Thompson haven't even talked about him. Man, is he athletic. Oh, my God. Do you remember that one lob where he told, I think it was Shangun to throw it up to him? He was just. He's six, five. He was standing under the basket, just standing there facing half court and he just pointed. Shangun threw it up, he caught it, turned in midair and dunked it, just standing. That's ridiculous.

[Jason]

What was impressive to me was the play on which two defenders converged on him. He was coming in from the right side at a 45 degree angle and the help defender came over and he. Before the two guys could set, he took a gather dribble and stepped right through them, like hopped, controlled his body, turned his body, hopped right through them and then sprung up again to just sort of set it in the basket with both hands.

[Dan Bernstein]

He is naturally gifted. He's one of the most naturally gifted players in the NBA. I think number one in that is Wembanyama. I think you just have to say it. And then I don't know who else would be two. When you just look at skill set and just.

[Jason]

Well, there's a. There's a lot of those out there. There's. Sometimes I see Brandon Miller do some things.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, yeah, that's.

[Jason]

And I just look at his combination of speed and length and shooting ability. Hell, Jabari Smith looked pretty sweet last night. He is a really nice play that they just need a point guard. The only thing you can see that Houston is missing is the. Is a distributor. Is a. Is an air traffic controller.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, Van Vliet is out for how long? Because he's on. He's on that team.

[Jason]

Did you see him on the sidelines?

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, he might be out for the whole season. That's right.

[Jason]

I almost didn't recognize him.

[Dan Bernstein]

Why?

[Jason]

He's large.

[Dan Bernstein]

Really?

[Jason]

Did you see his face?

[Dan Bernstein]

He does look fat. Yeah.

[Jason]

I swear to God, I almost didn't recognize him. And I went, oh, my God, that's Fred Van Vliet. And maybe he's, you know, he doesn't need to get in shape. He's not hurrying back right now, but got a ways to go. So the Bulls played Detroit.

[Dan Bernstein]

Trey Jones is what they need.

[Jason]

Well, yeah, no, actually he'd be as a. Like a backup point guard. Yes, that's exactly what they need, is somebody like that. But I want to quickly go through the games that, that we need to talk about here, because I thought they had a really good opportunity against Detroit because not one. Cunningham. Yeah, he played well for a while. He had a. He had a really bad missed dunk, though. But Cade Cunningham didn't play. So I immediately thought, all right, well, here's your opportunity. If they're going to be resting guys and they know. It's like they're thinking, it's just the Bulls. And the Bulls are halfway hurt, too. So the guy that destroyed them, Stewart. Oh, my God.

[Dan Bernstein]

Isaiah hit two threes and he went 14 of 17 from the field.

[Jason]

It was. He had 31 points. He was absolutely.

[Dan Bernstein]

Minutes.

[Jason]

Absolutely insane in that game. And then they unleashed all of the athletes coming off of their bench and good Luck to you. Between Ron Holland and Chaz Lanier was hitting threes and Caris Lavert is out there. It was even without. They're by far their best player. They just overwhelmed the Bulls with athleticism.

[Dan Bernstein]

I always forget how much he only played 12 minutes. Charis LeVert is a hooper. Yes, he's been around the block, but he's one of these, like. I don't want to say Lou Williams guys, because Lou Williams is perennial six man of the year. I mean, one of the best ever.

[Jason]

No, Caris LeVert's got a great handle.

[Dan Bernstein]

Like, he's, He's. He's. He's better than like, Alec Burks, you know.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

And Albert was a good player. So it. He just. He's the ball on a string. He can make shots when need be. I love his game. And for a team like that, they're dangerous.

[Jason]

Well, and that there's your other Thompson brother, too, who.

[Dan Bernstein]

Not quite no good.

[Jason]

But defensively he's better. Yeah, he's. He's a really tough defender and he. That's sort of his thing where he can't shoot, though.

[Dan Bernstein]

No offense. No.

[Jason]

He takes pride in. In his defense, though. It. You know, before you get too excited also about the win over the Mavs, did you see the lineup that they started the game with?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, not great there.

[Jason]

Ryan Nemhard, Cooper Flag, Max Christie, Daniel Gafford and Naji Marshall.

[Dan Bernstein]

Najee. Marshall's good. I don't. The. How. I'll say this. If I look at the Bulls lineup from last night.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Smith, Acora Bou Zelles Vuch and Trey Jones. That's not all. The Mavs lineup is not that much worse.

[Jason]

It's really not. It isn't.

[Dan Bernstein]

It isn't.

[Jason]

Especially with Flag out there. Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Because they. Because out of those 10 players, Cooper Flag is already the best.

[Jason]

Now, let's also discuss what happened with the Miami game. And I was interesting. Well, I've been there before. I've been there as the United Center.

[Dan Bernstein]

Crazy.

[Jason]

I have. I have been involved in a game that was postponed for condensation on the floor. Because at. In. On the State Fairgrounds in Raleigh, North Carolina, at Dorton Arena. They had just. It was the year they just started the Raleigh. Raleigh Ice Caps hockey team. And do they still exist, the Ice Caps? Well, no, because they got an NHL team that became the effort to get the Hurricanes. And no, I think the Ice Caps are long gone.

[Dan Bernstein]

But they had.

[Jason]

So we had a game that night. Again, it's North Carolina and it's Warm. And they didn't know what they were doing because it was like the state was running the facility. The people who, the people who put down and took up the floor were prisoners who were bused in from the prison up the road. So the buses would come down. The prisoner. It was chain gangs basically. The prisoners would get out and they would come in and it was the state program. They were in charge of putting down the creosote, the insulation, putting the floor on top of it. But we had to cancel a game for the same reasons because of condensation. And it's because there were. It's an old floor that had metal. The big metal screws were actually sort of countersunk on the floor itself. So they would. The, the, the we had. I had to grab the microphone and I had to say to the, the assembled crowd, the game has been postponed. You'll get a refund, blah, blah. I was on all the, the news. I had to go on behalf of the team and make these appearances. It sucked. It was, it was no fun. And I was wearing a beige suit, but it was a beige double breasted suit in 1992. 92. It happened. But I've been there. I know, it sucks. I loved watching Adam Ameen and Stacy and Casey Johnson trying to vamp.

[Dan Bernstein]

It was funny.

[Jason]

Just trying to fill time. Those poor guys.

[Dan Bernstein]

And Benny the Bull shooting half court shots with Tyler Herron. Yeah.

[Jason]

And then he was trying to teach Modus how to do the over the head shot and all that.

[Dan Bernstein]

And Asia Wilson, bam. Adebayo were just you know, sitting there hanging out and so that's gonna be one athletic child when that happens. Holy crap.

[Jason]

Well, you never know. You never know.

[Dan Bernstein]

Maybe, maybe they want to play guitar. But that's going to be a tall child. Unless they. Well, you never know.

[Jason]

You never know. I always said that about when, when Andre Agassi should have said that about.

[Dan Bernstein]

Me when I was three.

[Jason]

There's going to be a tall child. No, we knew. We knew. No, you can still hold out hope someday.

[Dan Bernstein]

But it had like the bobon gigantism or something.

[Jason]

Acromegaly. I think we know by now. I don't think there's going to be late arriving Acromegaly.

[Dan Bernstein]

That would defeat the purpose of my fitted golf clubs though. So I don't want that.

[Jason]

When your entire world is seen through the prism of your fitted golf clubs. I can understand. Are you, are you like. Are they literally in your bed right now?

[Dan Bernstein]

No, they're not. They're right in front of me though. I Took my bag out of my closet.

[Jason]

Have you given them names yet?

[Dan Bernstein]

No. I don't name my golf clubs unless I get a hole in one with one, which I never have.

[Jason]

But you've just fetishized them so much. But anyway, I was saying it about when Andre Agassi and Steffi.

[Dan Bernstein]

Hold on, shut up.

[Jason]

We thought that there could be a club.

[Dan Bernstein]

Shut up, shut up, shut up, shut up. I don't want to hear this about fetishizing thing when all you do with your fishing gear is fondle it and smell it and put it in your crack.

[Jason]

I haven't gone quite that far yet.

[Dan Bernstein]

You've done the first two.

[Jason]

I did. I did. Of course, after the season I did remove all of the gear and sort of clean everything out and set it out in perfect piles of each category of lure. Rearrange everything. That's all we have. I mean, soon enough. Soon, soon the Coho will be here and all will be right with the world. And then the small mouth.

[Dan Bernstein]

All will be right with the world if the Bears keep winning.

[Jason]

I thought you were going to say.

[Dan Bernstein]

If there's a Pope Bob come, you know, can bless the Bears again.

[Jason]

Well, I don't know if he's a Bulls fan. We haven't really heard of that yet. But this, the postponement of the game is creating a scheduling quirk. Probably more than a quirk at this point.

[Dan Bernstein]

That weird. So stretch.

[Jason]

It means the Thursday, January 29, the Bulls welcome the Miami Heat and then on Saturday they'll be at Miami and the next Sunday they'll be at Miami. So they will be playing the Miami Heat three times in four nights. In our preview of the play in. I guess so we, I don't know.

[Dan Bernstein]

Just throw the Hawks in there and that one day off and then, then you got a preview of the play. And also, yeah, that trade, we haven't talked about that yet.

[Jason]

Trey Young goes to the Washington Wizards column and Kispert for McCollum. And Kispert really just shows you how.

[Dan Bernstein]

Low his value was. I mean, who wants him right now? He's hurt, too. He's getting evaluated after the All Star.

[Jason]

Break and they've said that they're going to take their time with him. They're not going to rush him back. He may not even play again this year.

[Dan Bernstein]

However, if the Hawk, if Trey Young was holding the Hawks back because of a locker room issue or whatever it may be because he's so ball dominant, you got a backcourt, you got. You finally have a real vet in the backcourt with Dyson Daniels and C.J. mcCollum. Corey Kisper can. Can shoot the crap out of the ball. And Jalen Johnson is an all NBA player right now.

[Jason]

They're better without him.

[Dan Bernstein]

And they got Porzingis. That's a real ass team.

[Jason]

Yep.

[Dan Bernstein]

They can compete.

[Jason]

Yep.

[Dan Bernstein]

Because I don't. I don't know if Boston can keep this up for that much longer. I think Detroit's great. I think New York is good. I think Cleveland will get back into the swing of things.

[Jason]

Yeah. You know what? I'm with Cleveland. Why hasn't Mobley become better already?

[Dan Bernstein]

I think that. I think he's limited by his inability to make threes consistently. I think that is it. He's not a good enough shooter yet. Because if. If he started shooting 35, I don't. What is he shooting from three this season? Let me actually look that up. Or how many attempts I want him to be, even if he misses them. I mean, you're saying wants him to be better? He's. He was. He's a defensive player of the year and he's averaging 18 and 9 on 51% from the field. But he's shooting. He's. He's shooting 33% from 3 and only 64% from the line. Like if he were to get that up to seven, if you were to get that to 72% from the line and 36% from three, which I don't think are that unreasonable. Mm. I think that's what would open up his game. And even if he's only shooting 33%, he needs to take more of them. He needs. He needs people to. Because once if he just makes a couple in a game, that'll really open things up. Even when Benyama, when he wasn't shooting very well, he still kept taking them. That opened everything up.

[Jason]

Well, the comps for Mobley early on, it was so many Bosch comps. And he was a guy shoot the shit out of the ball. Yes. He also had to learn when he got to the Heat and it was. It. It timed up with about the time that the NBA was recognizing the statistical value of the corner three.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, it's a little bit before then because that Curry really took off a couple of years after that.

[Jason]

But he began. Bosh began shooting and looking for specifically that corner three. And they eventually they said, look, this is. Do not pass up this shot. This is not just a decoy. Take it.

[Dan Bernstein]

And Chris Bosh is a Hall of Famer.

[Jason]

Yep.

[Dan Bernstein]

Like he people you hate when I do that. I'M sorry, what? I feel like he's an often forgotten great player. Why when people mention. Sorry. All time power forwards. Right. You know it's going to be Duncan Nowitzki, Garnett, you know those guys.

[Jason]

Sure.

[Dan Bernstein]

And if you want to go a bit earlier than that, I mean I feel like I hear Rodman's name more often now than I do Chris Bosh. Chris Bosch is a way more talented player and Dennis Rodman ever was.

[Jason]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Not even close.

[Jason]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

If you were to tell me would you rather have Dennis Rodman or Chris Bosh both in their prime. Bosch by a mile.

[Jason]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

And when Mobley was compared to Bosch, that's a big name. And if he can't shoot that. That's why that, that's why his game isn't. You know what we all expected. He. I think he just needs to take more. I really do. Even if he can keep that same number or even increase it a little bit on higher volume from three that it'll open everything up.

[Jason]

So let me get to your conclusion as you were going through all of these eastern.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Atlanta can compete and Atlanta can more than compete. The shame of it is that due to injury, primarily in a year where the Bulls had the chance to, if not validate, at least provide some support to the idea of hang around and be competitive long enough until everything comes back to you and then maybe you have an actual playoff spot. I'm not talking about winning a title, but this would have been the year to say, all right, Michael reinsdorf. All right, A.K. here you go. You wanted to stay competitive. What can you do in this environment? And now the shame that you can't. You can't compete with Lachlan Albrecht out there. You can't compete with Trey Jones shooting six threes. You just can't. You've got to trade these people. You've got to make every single move that you can right now.

[Dan Bernstein]

Do you trade IO sure.

[Jason]

If you first round pick. Yeah. And not to mention your own first round pick is hurt and useless at the moment and is a.

[Dan Bernstein]

Is a complete long term play I didn't like.

[Jason]

He is a long term play that.

[Dan Bernstein]

You look at guys that went after him. Queen was one pick after and I don't like Derek Queen's game but you can't deny his production. I don't know if you saw that lob from last night to Trey Murphy. No, I haven't threw a lob to Trey Murphy. Trey Murphy caught it in the air, did a360 and laid it in it was, it was insane. And they were, they were competitive with Denver, you know, with the best offensive player arguably of all time on the floor. And I just don't see enough. There's only one player on the team that really brings legitimate excitement and it's modest because. Because he is that high flying. Make a crazy play. Flashes and I guess Giddy as well. Giddy has some flat. Not, not in the same way where he's just dunking on people, but he'll have some crazy passes and put up a triple double.

[Jason]

Well, Modest plays really hard.

[Dan Bernstein]

He's been good.

[Jason]

He competes.

[Dan Bernstein]

He was good last night and he was solid against the Mavericks. I mean, and he was good against the Pistons. Like he's, he's been playing well.

[Jason]

He plays really hard. He, he. I wish he took losses a little harder. That was sort of the, the Vuch message that he sent to him about when to celebrate and when not to and what you're really doing in here. Meanwhile, the Bulls are p the for the Rising Stars game. So modest Bouz Ellis as a sophomore should get that. They're also. The campaign officially has begun on behalf of Josh Giddy.

[Dan Bernstein]

I think his injury hurts him, but I do haha. But I do think that Giddy should be an all Star. Mata should be in the Rising Stars game. However, does it mean that the Bulls are good? No.

[Jason]

No, it doesn't. And I'll just say too, I can't.

[Dan Bernstein]

How many times a bit this episode, man.

[Jason]

Yeah, I am. How many times have I said before that I'm just done with Patrick? How many times a lot. All these injuries.

[Dan Bernstein]

Are you going to say all these.

[Jason]

Injuries have given him every chance, every single chance. And even last night there were times where he's like, I'm. I'm going to do something right now. And he. Everybody can see well here Patrick's going to try to do. Do something, but his head is down. He's determined that this is going to be his turn and he's going to do these things and it ends poorly or he has trouble finishing or he kicks it away. And it's a me problem because I'm the one that's been invested in believing in him because he is just such a. Such a good guy. And so, you know, I'm not going to say good kid anymore. Talented and talented, but not sudden, not explosive and just doesn't play hard enough.

[Dan Bernstein]

He'll have long career because he can shoot and play good defense.

[Jason]

It's just too bad. It's too bad they don't get enough top four picks that you can't miss on one right.

[Dan Bernstein]

When, when Halliburton and Maxi can't miss.

[Jason]

So if, and I'll say this too, if in fact what you say is true, if you end up winning this bet and the bull, which beat the bet about whether or not they make a trade at this deadline, if they sit with this group, we're like, you know, this is, this is fine. This is good.

[Dan Bernstein]

You're going to lose it.

[Jason]

I don't know what I, what I'm going to do. I mean, there's been so many red lines that I've drawn on this and say, well, I'm done if this happens. I've done if that happens. And I keep lying to myself.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, we got the Bears, right?

[Jason]

For the moment. For the moment. We absolutely do. And you know what else? We have the trivia showdown. I've been working hard to find some good stuff here and I think I found one for you. All right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Jason]

And I can't believe it's taken us this long. It's taken us 127 episodes to do this question. All right, can you. And this was in the news recently because we had some movement on this list. Can you give me the top 10 all time NBA father son scoring duos?

[Dan Bernstein]

I feel like you.

[Jason]

I feel like we have not. I'm sure.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right.

[Jason]

Dylan, Steph Dell and Steph just moved up to number two.

[Dan Bernstein]

Michael and Clay.

[Jason]

Michael and Clay are number four. The Thompsons.

[Dan Bernstein]

So are you asking me what, top ten?

[Jason]

Yeah. Just see how many you can get.

[Dan Bernstein]

Father son.

[Jason]

Yep.

[Dan Bernstein]

Sabonis.

[Jason]

No.

[Dan Bernstein]

Really? I thought, I know our feeders didn't play that long, but I thought that.

[Jason]

Nope.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, this is a, this is a really good question.

[Jason]

I thought it was too.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, I'm really gonna have to think about this. By default, it has to be LeBron and Bronny, right?

[Jason]

Number one. Of course.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's insane. No, it's not.

[Jason]

No, it's not. It's sort of like when we would do the baseball brothers home run list and it was Hank Aaron and his brother Tommy.

[Dan Bernstein]

So I might just have to think of all time greats and their little bum fest. Not relative. Not.

[Jason]

No.

[Dan Bernstein]

Is that really the only one where.

[Jason]

It's the only one that's that extreme?

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. It's not going to be like Jabari Smith Jr. Jabari Smith Sr. Because Jabari Smith Sr. Didn't play long enough.

[Jason]

Right. And I think you've heard of all of these. Except. Except maybe one that I wouldn't expect you to get because there's a real old timer on there and his son is older than I am. And oddly enough, Old Gregor's son was young. Older than Old Gregor.

[Dan Bernstein]

Can't make that joke.

[Jason]

I know, I know I can't. God darn it.

[Dan Bernstein]

This is hard.

[Jason]

One dad is on here twice.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, Seth and Dell.

[Jason]

No.

[Dan Bernstein]

I feel like Clay has two brothers and one of them.

[Jason]

Oh, you know what I think. No, you know what? He's off now. He just got bumped off actually because Rick Barry was on here twice.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, okay.

[Jason]

So Rick and John Barry and are now off. Rick, Rick and Brent are still on there.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes, Rick and Brent.

[Jason]

All right, you want me give you the others.

[Dan Bernstein]

Let me try to get one more.

[Jason]

One you should get when you should get for sure is definitely an all time great score.

[Dan Bernstein]

All time great scorer.

[Jason]

Yeah. Whose dad played also all time great score. Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's not going to be a Malone.

[Jason]

No.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's not going to be a Koozie.

[Jason]

And this guy.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, could it be like John Stockton and.

[Jason]

No.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. I thought that his son might have got played.

[Jason]

No, big bigger star. Bigger star. This guy's dad and what you would know if I mentioned that his dad played internationally.

[Dan Bernstein]

Bigger star.

[Jason]

Yeah, his dad. His dad also after he's done in the NBA. His dad played internationally and that's actually where his son wasn't born in this country.

[Dan Bernstein]

Irving? No, Kobe.

[Jason]

Oh, Joe Bryant.

[Dan Bernstein]

I forgot.

[Jason]

I forgot that Joe Bryant played Joe Jellybean Bryant.

[Dan Bernstein]

Go ahead.

[Jason]

So it's James Curry, Bryant Thompson. Then it's Dolph Shays and Danny Shays. After that it is Tim Hardaway and.

[Dan Bernstein]

Junior should have gotten that.

[Jason]

Rick Barry and Brent Berry.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, got that one.

[Jason]

Jalen Rose and his father Jimmy Walker.

[Dan Bernstein]

Didn'T Would never have gotten that.

[Jason]

The. Then it's Patrick Ewing and Patrick Ewing.

[Dan Bernstein]

Jr. Would never have gotten that.

[Jason]

Gary Payton and Gary Payton ii.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay, there you go.

[Jason]

Not an easy question. All right. All right.

[Dan Bernstein]

So my question it's. I'll give you some help if you need it. So I'm sure since 2016.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Which NB 2016. So not all of these guys are still playing. Who, which five NBA players have drawn the most charges.

[Jason]

Oh.

[Dan Bernstein]

So I'll give you this. Three of them are guards, two of them are power are forwards and like power forwards.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

And if you want the teams I can give you the or the team that they played the most Games on since 2016. I can give you that if you'd like. All right.

[Jason]

I'll ask is, do they all have reputations as good defensive players?

[Dan Bernstein]

No. No, they don't. No. Not all of them have good. I wouldn't even say a single one of them has a reputation for being like a defensive stopper whatsoever. If not the opposite. I would say a lot of like most of these guys are like shitty defenders.

[Jason]

So it's a. It's got to be a function, a pure function of minutes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Minutes and also just like being around the ball. Just being around the ball and being willing to take charges.

[Jason]

So I'm going to guess this.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's very difficult.

[Jason]

It's counterintuitive. So I'm going to say Harden.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, but that's not a bad guess.

[Jason]

Because I mean like somebody who's played a ton of minutes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Not a bad guess.

[Jason]

And is somebody might just accidentally run.

[Dan Bernstein]

Into him and knock him. I'll say this. There are only two of these guys right now are still in the NBA and only one of them is like still playing at an all star level.

[Jason]

Huh. This is bizarre.

[Dan Bernstein]

Is hard.

[Jason]

This is hard.

[Dan Bernstein]

Do you want the teams?

[Jason]

Yeah, maybe that would help.

[Dan Bernstein]

So number one has 193 charges drawn.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Any. Most of his he's still playing but most of his games came on the Raptors. Okay. Okay. Number two has 136 charges.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

And most of his games have come with the Mavericks. We'll give you a hint that is not the team use most recognizable on. Hey. Okay. Okay. Number three with 132 played most of his games with the hornets.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Number four, 130 played most of his games with Milwaukee.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

And number five with 121 played most of his games since 2016 with Detroit. However, he is known for playing for another team as well.

[Jason]

This is impossible. This is absolutely.

[Dan Bernstein]

If you want the other teams for those two players, I can give them to you.

[Jason]

The one from the Mavs.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

In Detroit. Ok.

[Dan Bernstein]

The guy who played for them. Who played for the Mavs.

[Jason]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Most well known with New York. The next. And the guy who played for Detroit most well known with the Clippers. This is with that info you should get those two and probably number one. But the Hornets and Bucks ones are pretty damn tough, especially the Bucks one since 2016. Yep.

[Jason]

A Raptor. Because. So it wouldn't be Van Vliet because he's. No, not there anymore. Kyle Lowry.

[Dan Bernstein]

Kyle Lowry is number one with 193 charges drawn.

[Jason]

You couldn't even knock him over right now because he's like a Weeble now he Just bounced right back up bbl Lowry. Boing, boing. Kyle Lowry.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep.

[Jason]

That's so weird.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep. Draws a lot of charges.

[Jason]

I wonder. But I don't. I don't see him like, in my mind.

[Dan Bernstein]

Three are both like, same height, like six feet tall or six. One.

[Jason]

From the other one was Mavs and Nicks.

[Dan Bernstein]

This one you should get for sure.

[Jason]

Mavs and Knicks. Is that Brunson?

[Dan Bernstein]

That is Jalen Brunson, like the only player on this list that's still. The other three guys are not currently in the NBA.

[Jason]

All right, so I got one. I got two. Yep. Not in the NBA currently.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right.

[Jason]

For the. For Milwaukee. Was it. Is it somebody like George Hill?

[Dan Bernstein]

No. That's a good. That's a good guess, though. He probably played most of those games with Indiana, though.

[Jason]

Yeah, but I guess I'm just.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's not. Although that's not.

[Jason]

But he was also a pretty good defensive player. Played a lot of minutes. What am I. It's not Middleton, is it?

[Dan Bernstein]

It's not Chris Middleton.

[Jason]

All right. Yeah, I'm gonna give.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Okay. Hornets with 132. Kemba Walker.

[Jason]

Jeez. Okay. Yeah, you're right. Same kind of guys.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. I'm gonna do number five first.

[Jason]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

So Pistons and Clippers. That's Blake Griffin. You should probably. Should have probably gotten that. All right.

[Jason]

And Milwaukee. Wait, you say this is another big guy?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

Is. Was Jay Crowder there?

[Dan Bernstein]

No.

[Jason]

No.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, he was, but it's not the answer.

[Jason]

Why are you laughing?

[Dan Bernstein]

It's Arisan Eliaso.

[Jason]

No, it's not. No, it's not. I've never seen him draw a charge ever.

[Dan Bernstein]

Because you never watched him. I'm not bullshitting you. Yes, you are bullshitting you. Nope. This is from the Enjoy basketball channel on YouTube. They are fantastic. This video came out very recently.

[Jason]

Hold on, let me just. Wait a second. Since 2016, has a son, Ilya Sova is fourth in the NBA in charges drawn.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

I don't believe it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

I don't believe it.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Jason]

No, no. You're gonna have to send me video of each and every one of those. 130. I need. I need actual unassailable.

[Dan Bernstein]

He drew 51 charges in 2019.

[Jason]

No, he didn't.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Single season. Single season record.

[Jason]

Air sign. Eliasova made up NBA.

[Dan Bernstein]

I feel like you don't even think he's real.

[Jason]

It'd be. World would be better if he weren't. Jesus Christ. If he were a fake. No, if he were, because then everything would make sense. Because I'VE never seen him make.

[Dan Bernstein]

There are conspiracy theories about him lying, like Thawne Maykr, like stuff like that where he lied about his age and name.

[Jason]

Wait, so who's Thawnekr?

[Dan Bernstein]

No, Thawnekr just lied about his age. Okay.

[Jason]

He lied about Arsan Ilyasova's age.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh my God, I hate you so much.

[Jason]

Or he lied about his own age. Wait, what's the. What's the conspiracy that Erisan Ilyasova isn't Erson Eliasova? I think you've mentioned this before.

[Dan Bernstein]

There were widespread rumors and theories originating from a 2005 Turkish news report report suggesting Ersan Eliasova is actually three years older than his actual birthday, born as if he was born in 1984 and a potentially a different person named Arson Ilyasov from Uzbekistan who altered his identity to play with younger age groups.

[Jason]

Okay, now that would make sense because I always thought his name was more like was sort of Russian sounding than it was Turkish sounding. Now that that's interesting. Ilyasov. So he's a different person.

[Dan Bernstein]

Could be.

[Jason]

I like it. Now if we could do the same with all the bulls and have them all be different, maybe they'd be better.

[Dan Bernstein]

That will do it for episode 127 of the Organizations Win Championships podcast. Please, like subscribe Rate it 5 stars. But when you review it, leave hate comments for Dan Bernstein because he deserves it. And we'll see you in the next episode. And hopefully after more bulls or hopefully after some bull success. And obviously a Bears Win.

[Jason]

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