Will the NFL hold Steve Tisch accountable?

Summary

Dan Bernstein Unfiltered (312 Sports)

Episode: Will the NFL hold Steve Tisch accountable?

Date: February 12, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this intense and wide-ranging episode, Dan Bernstein and his co-host—a longtime executive producer and commentator—delve into the explosive reporting about Steve Tisch, co-owner of the New York Giants, and his connections to Jeffrey Epstein. The episode grapples with the revelations of email exchanges between Tisch and Epstein, as reported by The Athletic, and the utter lack of accountability from the NFL and broader societal leadership. The hosts pull no punches, expressing outrage and frustration over systemic failures, the hollow responses from NFL commissioner Roger Goodell, and a culture that appears to protect perpetrators over victims. While the Epstein/Tisch scandal is the focal point, the episode later segues into lighter sports talk, including the state of the Chicago Bulls, Cubs memorabilia, and Olympic highlights, all while maintaining the show's characteristic candor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Steve Tisch’s Epstein Connections & NFL’s Accountability Crisis

• New Revelations: The Athletic’s reporting reveals dozens of emails between Steve Tisch and Jeffrey Epstein—even after Epstein was a registered, high-risk sex offender.
  • “There’s no way you can let this guy keep representing the Giants or the NFL. That’s it.” (Co-host, 00:29)
  • Tisch used Epstein to be introduced to women, with correspondence detailing their ages and backgrounds.
• NFL Response: Commissioner Roger Goodell, at his Super Bowl State of the League press conference, acknowledges concern but offers only vague promises of “fact gathering” and a potential investigation, without concrete action.
  • “Roger Goodell’s job was to get to the end of the press conference by indicating concern, without necessarily committing to the actual process of holding the owner…accountable.” (Co-host, 00:45)
• Public Evidence & Standards:
  • The evidence—dozens of emails, openly accessible—meets or exceeds the NFL’s own personal conduct policy for initiating an immediate removal from team operations.
  • Giants' public statement downplays the association as “brief” and claims all women were adults, which the hosts find insulting and implausible.
  • “There isn’t a question of if he was involved with Jeffrey Epstein—it’s a matter of he was involved.” (Dan, 07:28)

2. A Systemic Failure of Justice—Media, Government, and Private Power

• Redacted Scandal, Exposed Victims:
  • Hosts criticize law enforcement and government failures, noting that not only are perpetrators shielded by redactions, but the names and faces of victims (and even undercover agents) are being exposed.
  • “We’re hiding the guys who perpetrated all these activities…and all of the sex trafficking and rape and crimes against underage girls.” (Dan, 04:40)
• Desensitization and Distraction:
  • Society at large now treats these ongoing revelations as passé, eager to move on with “nothing to see here.”
  • “People in charge just want to move past it and move on…It’s not a witch hunt if there’s this many witches.” (Co-host, 12:59 & 13:17)
• NFL as Last Line of Moral Defense:
  • The irony of looking to the NFL—“a private boys club of sports”—for leadership in the absence of accountability from elected officials:
    • “When you can say that the gold standard of accountability is the NFL, that’s where we are.” (Co-host, 26:55)
    • “It’s pretty pathetic…we’re asking the commissioner to set the tone over our elected officials in our government of what is wrong and what is right.” (Dan, 29:54)

3. Critique of NFL Double Standards & Insulting Excuses

• Contrast with Player Discipline:
  • Outrage that players are disciplined severely for personal conduct (often minor infractions), yet an owner faces only lip-service.
    • “Tell me about all the things that players have done…and have dishonored the shield…if you’re going to let this guy just slide.” (Dan, 23:19)
• Unbelievable Tisch Excuses:
  • Hosts mock Tisch’s claim he only turned to Epstein to meet women of legal age, emphasizing that a Hollywood mogul hardly needs Epstein for that.
    • “Really? That’s the only source you had to meet women of legal age was Jeffrey Epstein? Come on, you’re a Hollywood producer.” (Dan, 16:59 & 17:07)
    • “At one point in the emails, Tish even says, we probably shouldn’t be emailing about this. That’s how stupid they are.” (Co-host, 20:23)
    • “But why not do it in writing if you’re just meeting women of legal age?” (Dan, 20:57)

4. Frustration with Societal Collapse in Basic Accountability

• Victims Ignored, Systemic Cover-Up:
  • Heartfelt anger at how victims are treated as an “annoyance” and the societal machinery seems designed to impede justice.
    • “The victims are just a bother…Somebody pay attention. And it kills me.” (Co-host, 13:33)
    • “It’s really sad to see the crumbling…of the basic principles of accountability for doing wrong.” (Dan, 28:50)

5. Broader Media and Institutional Critique

• Decline of Investigative Journalism:
  • Dismantling of local and independent media by private equity makes it harder for the truth to emerge and for the powerful to be held to account.
    • “When your news media is dismantled…it takes away the power to investigate these things…allowing them to operate with impunity.” (Co-host, 26:10)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• Co-host (about the scale of the Epstein case):
  “We talk about needles in haystacks. This is…a haystack the likes of which we've never seen. And to know there are needles in there, it's full of needles…when you're trying to find patterns and trying to use all of this…half-assed redacted data…” (01:56)
• On NFL’s personal conduct policy:
  “At a minimum, this has to be past the threshold of a placement on the commissioner’s exempt list…for the NFL to say, ‘We are going to investigate. We are going to look everything over.’” (Co-host, 06:47)
• On Tisch’s relationship with Epstein:
  “When that meeting occurred, Epstein had already been sued repeatedly by sex abuse victims. He'd already served 13 months…registered as a level three sex offender…” (Co-host, 08:31)
• On societal indifference:
  “If there’s this many witches. It doesn’t matter where they come from, what their name is, what offices they held. Get them all. Identify all of them. Punish all of them.” (Co-host, 13:17)
• Dan on partisanship:
  “We don’t care who’s named in these files…There’s no political affiliation…If you’re named, and you committed crimes, you should be punished and held accountable. Period.” (Dan, 10:57)

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Segment Timestamps

| Timestamp | Topic Summary | |-----------|---------------| | 00:29–11:49 | Deep dive into Tisch/Epstein connection and NFL's failed response | | 12:37–15:43 | Societal dysfunction, call for accountability, consternation at NFL as “moral leader” | | 16:14–21:21 | Ridiculing Tisch’s excuses, more details on emails, comparison to Robert Kraft case | | 21:26–29:54 | Broader government/media systemic failure, personal and cultural frustration, victim focus | | 29:54–31:08 | Transition to lighter sports discussion: Bulls, coping with bad basketball | | 31:08–37:30 | Bulls talk, Girl Scout cookies, betting on NBA, mybookie plug | | 37:30–44:11 | Cubs memorabilia story: Norman Rockwell's "The Dugout" and its baseball reverberations | | 44:11–47:32 | Paul Sullivan’s Art Institute critique, Alinea tangent, shared laughs | | 47:50–59:03 | Olympic updates: medal count, American results, and Olympic tangents | | 59:03–59:50 | Discussion of Olympic hockey, whether to "make it a thing" as fans | | 59:50–-END | Closing banter, light-hearted finish |

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Tone & Style

• Unfiltered, bluntly honest, outrage-laden but never melodramatic.
• Strong emotional undercurrent, particularly on accountability, justice, and failed institutions.
• Interspersed with Chicago-local sports humor, camaraderie, and relatable asides.

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For Listeners: Essential Takeaways

• The episode is a raw, acerbic examination of the Steve Tisch/Epstein scandal, the inertia and hypocrisy within NFL leadership, and broader cultural failures in justice for sex trafficking crimes.
• Bernstein and his co-host express deep disgust with institutional cover-ups, media decline, and a society numbed to scandal—punctuated with sharp, Chicago-style sports radio banter.
• Recommended especially for listeners who want real talk about sports and society, not PR-spin or sanitized analysis.

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Notable Recommendation:
"If you are going to watch Bulls basketball, do not watch Bulls basketball without a proper amount of Girl Scout cookies, because that counterbalances it." — Co-host (35:53)

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Further Reading & Context:

• The Athletic’s reporting on Tisch and Epstein for detailed documentary evidence.
• The ongoing media coverage of the Epstein files for broader context on the societal and institutional fallout discussed in the episode.

Transcript

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[Dan Bernstein]

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[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Dan Bernstein Unfiltered is brought to you in partnership with my bookie. Steve Tisch has got to go. This is, this is stuff that the Athletic is reporting today about the owner of the New York Giants. There's no way you can let this guy keep representing the Giants or the NFL. That's it. And we know that Roger Goodell was able to get through the big press conference, his State of the League super bowl press conference, and he was able to pay lip service to the possibility of something resembling fact gathering that could be an investigation. Basically his job. And I understood what he was trying to do at that press conference. But Roger Goodell's job was to get to the end of the press conference by indicating concern when, without necessarily committing to the actual process of holding the owner of the New York Giants like, this is not the Jaguars. This is not the Arizona Cardinals. It's the New York Giants. And you've got an owner now with the reporting that's being done and everything that is, is happening with reporters from the Athletic and elsewhere going through dozens of emails that Tish exchanged with Jeffrey Epstein. And this was after Epstein was already, people already knew what was going on. It was more of an open secret. He had already registered as, I think, a level three sex offender at that point. And he's still connecting Tish with various women of various ages from various backgrounds. And they did this all in email, all this, these correspondences. This is, there's, there's, it's, it's all there.

[Dan Bernstein]

That, that's, that that's how you behave, though, when you feel like you're invincible and then no one's held accountable for anything they do.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

And this is, you know, I was thinking about this as, as we were talking about, you know, what, what we talk about supposedly within, you know, nominally discussing the world of sports. And, and it's really incredible because it's hard to do this outside of the larger context. And the larger context is at the moment, as the Epstein files. If you picture this like, you know, we talk about needles in haystacks, that this is the millions and millions and millions of electronic Documents. We're talking about the, a haystack the likes of which we've never seen. And to know there are needles in there, it's full of needles. And you can keep shoving your hand in the haystack and keep stabbing yourself and saying ow, ow, ow, ow. But when you're trying to find patterns and trying to use all of this, this, this half assed redacted data, I mean this, the, the garbage work that has been done in trying to even present this information where they're redacting names of offenders, including names of victims. We found out yesterday that there was a facial, a picture depicting an undercover government officer. So you've got a blown cover there, which is completely anathema. If we had people who still cared about stuff like this, that is an awful thing that can endanger people in operations under deep cover in the field. And we don't even know what could be endangered and how these people could, where they could be right now. And you're putting out actual identifications of their faces of undercover national governmental officers. We're supposed to be the good guys, right? And, and those are the ones that you're hurting and the bad guys are being protected right now?

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, no, it's not even, and they're not even redacting all of the names of the victims. Some victims names and personal information.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

That's what I mean.

[Dan Bernstein]

Has been exposed.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Correct, Correct.

[Dan Bernstein]

And there have been, but we're hiding the guys who perpetrated all these activities and all of the sex trafficking and rape and crimes against underage girls.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's be, it's almost, it's testing our ability to understand everything that's going on. And some of the stuff that was said at that embarrassment yesterday.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, that was, that was terrible, dude.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Absolutely embarrassing. But, but for, but when, when Thomas Massie came out and said, look, this is multiple administrations. This, this isn't just now, this is decades. And to, to have the information out there and we're talking about the, talking about investing. It's not really investigation right now. It's the reporting is, is, it's the legwork it's actually going through. It's going to take months, months to get through to know what all this is and was with millions of documents still pending. Right. And people are saying, oh well that's now, that's over. Now we're on to the next thing. No, no, no, no, it's not over.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's not even close.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

It isn't even close. To being done beginning yet. And at the very least, what's amazing here is that we have to count on a private business, that being the NFL. And I'm just. Trust me when I say the irony of asking the NFL to act is not lost on me. The irony of saying, well, who's in charge here? Someone has to make a decision. Someone has to do what's right. As quaint as that sounds, the idea of something being the right thing to do, at the very least, when we're looking at Roger Goodell as a leader of something that could actually hold sway for the correct reasons, to hold somebody in his orbit under his auspices to his standard of conduct and kind of like, hey, well, you know, the. The language of your personal conduct policy says certain things here. At a minimum, this has to be past the threshold of a placement on the commissioner's exempt list of some kind of suspension for the NFL to say, we are going to investigate. We are going to look everything over. We are aware of these emails, these dozens of emails. This isn't one insinuation about a thing. Read them. Read what the athletic put out there today.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Because what's out there right now, Dan, is enough for Roger Goodell to say immediately out of everyday operations for the new Giants or for the New York Giants.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yep.

[Dan Bernstein]

Until we conclude our investigation. But right now, and there isn't a question of if he was involved with Jeffrey Epstein, it's a matter of he was involved. We're going to investigate this further. It stops immediately. Like his activity stops today until we conclude our own internal investigation.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

And it was the athletic that was referred that first reported that Tish and Epstein had been connected. The Giants statement that came out then characterized the association as brief, emphasized the women discussed were adults, and said, as we all know, Epstein was a terrible person. Someone I deeply regret associating with. That was. That was Tish. On Wednesday, a Giant spokesman said the team would have no further comment. An NFL spokesperson referred to Commissioner Goodell's comments last week that the league, quote, would look at the context of the emails and try to understand that. What are you trying to understand?

[Dan Bernstein]

Right.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

I'm an idiot. And I can understand some of these things, and I can understand that this is enough. That pursuant to the NFL's code of conduct, just what they say about what they expect, and that every level you go up there should be a higher expectation of. Of certain behavior, behavioral standards when you're talking about the ownership level. Right. So in April 2013, when Epstein is emailing Tish to join him for breakfast. And Tish says 20 minutes later. Absolutely. When Epstein said Tish was blown away in a positive way. He thinks you are wonderful and interesting. When that meeting occurred, Epstein had already been sued repeatedly by sex abuse victims. He'd already served 13 months of work release. He'd already registered as that. This is right. A level three sex offender, the highest risk to reoffend. And the New York Post had already called him a billionaire pervert and a child sex creep. And Tish was still involved with him.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep. Still, I don't know what more you need to know.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

I mean, if you read these emails, they are, they're in the athletic, in the New York Times under athletic. NFL. This, this should not take long. This should be the NFL immediately stepping in and saying, we're not accusing you of anything. We are not acting on anything other than right now with, without any prejudice. We are removing you from the day to day operations of the football team under the guidelines of our personal conduct policy. Right.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's pending the outcome of our investigation.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Period.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

And that investigation might take weeks, it might take months. And this is already just, just from what we know, right? This is, this is. And the reason I was using the haystack analogy is that the reporting, it isn't like these are people who are, who are staking out parking garages. They're not ambushing people in restaurants. The documents are all there. It's just a matter of painstakingly going through each one and getting them all released.

[Dan Bernstein]

First of all, too.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Well, there's another 3 million or 5 million that they're sitting on.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right. And you know, you said something earlier about this is not just this administration, it's multiple administrations. Here's. I just want to make this very, very, very clear to everyone on behalf of this podcast. We don't care who's named in these files. We don't care. There is no political affiliation. There is no, oh, I liked that guy or I liked that gal. It doesn't matter. There is nothing, nothing that would say. For us to say, you know what, we want to protect this guy, but not protect that guy because of his political affiliation or his, his party that he supports. We don't know. We don't care who's in the files. If you're named and you committed crimes, you should be punished and held accountable for those crimes. Period. And even I don't care who it is.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

No. And short of crimes, that, that's, that's the irony is that to say do something NFL like that even is just Sounds so silly, but that's, that's what we're, we have to. To. When you, you've got a commerce Secretary who should have resigned a week ago, you've got multiple people within and without the United States government that, that, that don't see this as in any way disqualifying that. We're, we have to say, come on, Roger Goodell, say, do something. Do somebody in power. Do what's right about involvement with, with child sex trafficking.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Like, it's insane. It's mind blowing. Where it's like, well, who, who can do something? I don't know, the commissioner of a football league. Right. But at the very least, show that somebody gives a shit.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right. Because right now that's not what we're seeing from our elected officials.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Does somebody. And the fact anywhere give a shit.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. That people in charge just want to move past it and move on. Let's talk about the good things. Let's talk about the Dow. Let's talk about the nasdaq. Why are you talking about these things? This is over. It's a witch hunt. It's a scandal. It's a hoax. It's not. And again, it's not a witch hunt.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

If there's this many witches. And it doesn't matter where they come from, it doesn't matter what their name is, it doesn't matter who they've given money to, it doesn't matter what offices they held. It doesn't matter. Get them all. Identify all of them. Punish all of them.

[Dan Bernstein]

All of them.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

This was a massive multi decade sex trafficking, child prostitution, horror. And everybody's. I don't know, I don't know. Do something. Talk about something else. Do something about it. It is. So if, if the. We're counting on a football league to set the example here. It's, it's by its very nature for me to start this, for me to sit down here and say, well, the, the owner of the Giants at the very least cannot be allowed to own the Giants anymore or have anything to do with their football business. That's, it's ridiculous that I even have been saying that. Like, what are we talking about? And yet, you know, it's in the absence of anybody willing to do right by the victims. Nobody. We saw the victims there. We saw the victims there sitting there yesterday, and people couldn't even meet their gaze, couldn't even look at them. And this is looked at as an annoyance to the people who are being exposed. Right? And the victims are just a bother, just, just bugging you, oh, we don't care. Sitting in the background, somebody pay attention. And it kills me. And I know, and it is an absolutely proper response to think, boy, isn't this ridiculous? And you care about football. I care about all of it. I care about absolutely all of it. But at the very least, I want at least some organization somewhere to set an example by saying, as far as we're concerned, at the very least, your deep involvement with this man who was trafficking children around the world through sex slavery, and this was the world's international pimp ring for the elites. Listen to me. I sound like a crazy person.

[Dan Bernstein]

You do sound like a crazy person.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

At the very least, somebody say, this isn't okay. Somebody. In this country, in other countries, there are people immediately stepping down from their posts in shame, immediately saying, yeah, this is. This is pretty bad. And I'm ashamed and embarrassed. In other countries, this is costing people positions of power. And I'm looking to Roger fucking Goodell to show that this. It's. Sorry, I'm crashing out over it, but.

[Dan Bernstein]

No, it's good, but. And to hear Steve Tisch say, or his representatives or the team that, oh, the women that were being talked about were of legal age. Okay, let's just say that that's true and accurate. You're using this guy to meet women. Like, come on now. How stupid do you expect people to be? I know people can be pretty stupid in this country. They can be real stupid and fall for a lot and believe a lot of lies. But you have a guy, a known sex offender, evidence after evidence after evidence of child sex trafficking. Oh, that's just a guy that I used to meet women of, you know, of legal age. That's all that was.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Really.

[Dan Bernstein]

Come on now. Really? That's the only source you had to meet women of legal age was Jeffrey Epstein.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Come on, you're a Hollywood producer, right?

[Dan Bernstein]

Come on. Come on. You could go out to a restaurant and meet women of legal age all on your own. You go out to a bar, you could number of dating apps, you can meet friends, whatever. Like, oh, no, I just used him to meet women of legal age. Okay, pal, that sounds legit.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

All Epstein did was grab individual women and continue shipping them to Tish. Here's one. What do you think of this one? Do you think of that one? Oh, she's cute. She's got a. I mean, and. And talking. You've got to read the emails. I'm not going to sit here and go through every one of them.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right?

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

You can read the reporting. That is Being done very carefully right now by the athletic. And they're just getting started. This is Nathan Feno, Carson Kessler and Katie Strang. And that's a name, Katie's name. Yeah. You should know that. Well, from what she's done about sex offenders and hockey and, and elsewhere and, and taking on some bigger names here. And it is, it's just immensely frustrating to have to wait for somebody anywhere to stand up and say, this isn't okay. That somehow in this country this is just being, just being rolled in to everything else.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't know.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

It's just what people do.

[Dan Bernstein]

I don't know.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

It just makes no sense. All right, let's see what's on TikTok. Let's see what the Real Housewives of Something are doing. Like, can anybody have the capacity to understand how big this is and why somebody has to lead?

[Dan Bernstein]

No. We've heard from several members of Congress who have come out of these hearings and have said that this is going to be the largest scandal and cover up in American government history and beyond government.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

See, this is, this is why when we're talking about other organizations, private business, the NFL being one of them, the NFL, which in such capacity has such an outsized impact on our lives. I mean, our lives. Obviously we're in the sports talk business, so we know how powerful the NFL is. And it's just, it's criminal to think that it's like, oh, save us, NFL. You set the example.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right?

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

National Football League. That's where we have to look. Because nobody else is willing to actually do anything. Come on, man.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right. At the bare minimum right now, Goodell should just say, yep, you're excused from day to day operations pending the outcome of our investigation. There's enough there to say this is our first inaccurate step, period.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yes. Yeah, there's absolutely more than, More than enough.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

More than a base. And do you remember the outcry over Robert Kraft getting his crank yanked?

[Dan Bernstein]

Right.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

That was you talking about. We thought that was some international incident, that Robert Kraft went to a rub and tug.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

For himself. And, and we know that those places are, are, are, are, are huge traffickers of women. We've always known that. But that wasn't in writing. This is all in writing. This isn't allegation. The emails exist. And at one point in the emails, Tish even says, we probably shouldn't be emailing about this. That's how stupid they are. That there is a point in the email, she's like, you know, is there a number I can call. I'd rather not do this in writing.

[Dan Bernstein]

But why not do it in writing? But why not do it in writing if you're just meeting women of legal age? If he's just hooking you up with friends that are females that are of legal age, why, why not do it in writing? That's okay. I mean, if we were single guys and I was introducing you to people and we could do it in email and be like, oh, Dan, there's a great gal. I want you to meet her. And that's fine. There's nothing wrong with doing it in writing. Then why hide it? Why hide it if it was all legal?

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yeah. Of what?

[Dan Bernstein]

Are you doing anything illegal or inappropriate? Why hide it?

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yeah. Of what? Are you afraid?

[Dan Bernstein]

Right.

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[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Support is available 247 with VRBoCare. We're here day or night, ready whenever you need help. Because a great trip starts with the right support. I mean it is absolutely, it's. I'm running out of words. I really am because this is just the owner of the Giants. This is just a movie producer, had a couple of hits and they're, you know, big hits. It was what Forrest Gump and Risky Business. You know, I mean, he owns a.

[Dan Bernstein]

Football team or he's co owner of a football team.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

I mean, that's a higher slugging percentage than it is batting average. Yeah, and fine, there's a, there's a million of those, those low rent guys and people can say, oh, that's just how Hollywood does business. Okay, well, Harvey Weinstein's in jail and until Brett Ratner directed the movie that Jeff Bezos decided to do on his own, Brett Ratner was out of the business for being a creep. At the very least, if one of the NFL owners is an absolute cretin, he should be removed based on the NFL's stated policy.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right. And tell me about all the things that players have done right and, and have dishonored the shield.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Come on.

[Dan Bernstein]

Don't, don't tell me all that. Don't tell me all that if you're going to let this guy just slide.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Never again. Yeah, never again. If this, if this isn't enough to eventually force him out of ownership, if somehow say, well, he's just going to be suspended and he'll pass it down to his sons or whoever is going to do it. Like there have to be consequences.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right?

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

So I apologize if I am funneling a lot of anger into this in particular and if I am struggling to communicate the size of what's going on right now. But in the absence of the actual elected and appointed leaders of the most powerful government in the world showing any whipped of shame, any iota of concern for the victims and their role in the ongoing victimizations, that I've got to look to the NFL because I'm looking for lower hanging fruit. Because I'm so frustrated at the idea of everybody just shrugging this off. And it's multiple administrations, it's multiple decades, it's more than one generation that was affected and involved in victimizing God knows how many girls from all, from countries all over the world. We're just in the Steve Tisch stuff. We're talking about Tahiti and Ukraine. They specifically mentioned Kiev or Kiev of where there were, they were going to, to farm these, these potential victims. And it's almost, it's the scope of it is, it's, they're, they're relying on the scope of it being so huge that it's breaking a lot of systems by which we talk about it. All we have are these details. But look, you just know that that growing haystack over there is full of needles. And what we're going to have to do is just get a massive electromagnet over the top of it to just pull them all out and examine each one individually. And part of, and part of the design of dismantling much of the news media of Alden Capital and other private equity firms, destroying local news, destroying the mechanism of reporting is for these reasons. When your news media is dismantled by the 11 billionaires we hope are nice on a given day, it takes away the power to investigate these things, the power to contextualize these things. That's why they, it is all part of the same idea of protecting people from punishment for these kinds of atrocities and allowing them to operate with impunity. And it is when we can say that the gold standard of accountability is the NFL that's where we are.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, yeah. When we're asking that to be. Asking the NFL to be.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

We're asking, please, oh, Roger Goodell, do at the very least suspend an NFL owner for this behavior. When you got a commerce secretary that's at Pedophile island with his children. Oh, we were just there for lunch. Stop at a fucking Stuckies. You'll go to Pedophile island, where you have it for. For lunch. Kids, you hungry? I'll figure out what you want. We'll stop that exit. I see the signs on the exit. Let's see. Subway, Subway, McDonald's, Pedophile Island. How's that for everybody? Want to go to. That's okay. We'll go to Pedophile Island. Ridiculous. Infuriating. Infuriating and ridiculous.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, it's just. It's very disheartening when we're seeing individuals in leadership, elected officials in leadership that are meant to serve the people and represent the people, and it's these individuals in power that just aren't being held accountable for their actions. And we've seen it throughout. For decades and decades and decades in our government.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

It's right here, though. It's. Now we've got the paper trail.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right. And we saw it, though, jump up to a new level of a lack of accountability for actions in this current administration. It goes back a dozen years now.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

I've never seen anything like it. This is.

[Dan Bernstein]

And to have. And to have.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

I thought Watergate was bad, but to have.

[Dan Bernstein]

What's really like to have to have women, though, as a part of it, protecting old, rich white guys, protecting victims were right there.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

The victims were standing right there.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's just. It's really sad. It's really sad to see the crumbling. What's crumbling in our society of just the basic principles of accountability for doing wrong. It's just. It's not there.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

And I can't.

[Dan Bernstein]

And that's not a really minor way to put it over the crimes that were perpetrated by these individuals that are all there in paper for you to read. And not only that, it's being protected like we've talked about.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Hidden victims are being.

[Dan Bernstein]

Hidden victims are being exposed while the men who committed these crimes, men and women, the evil people, are being protected.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Mm.

[Dan Bernstein]

And you have individuals in charge right now that can actually do things about it, are saying, there's nothing there. There's no evidence of anything. There's no evidence of wrongdoing. Why would we do anything? Look at all the things that are happening around us that are so Great. You're ignoring because you're focusing on this hoax.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

So I feel gross making it about a decision that the National Football League should.

[Dan Bernstein]

I really. But don't feel gross because I like. I get your point to it. It's like we're looking at the NFL, a private boys club of sports. That's all it is. That's all it is. It's nothing meaningful or real or impactful or important in life. It's a sport. It's a game. It's a private club. And we're asking the commissioner to set the tone over our elected officials in our government of what is wrong and what is right. And that's pretty pathetic.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yep, it is. It is. And I hate to segue into the Bulls, but if you, if you want to save your. Your eyes from pain, limit your Bulls exposure because as there's certain of us who are, are trained for this. I'm good at watching bad basketball. I'm great at watching bad basketball. My son is even better than I am. He loves bad basketball almost. And only those of us with specific bad basketball training should be allowed to venture into the hazmat area that is watching the Bulls right now. There, there. There it is. Just a bunch of dudes out there.

[Dan Bernstein]

I watched the first half and that's, that's where I checked out. That was enough.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Okay. So if you want, I'll tell you this. We did it. We had a blast on OWC yesterday and we did detailed scouting reports on basically the seven new balls. Here's what we've seen over three games, three and a half games. Whatever we're watching, here's what it looks like, here's what matters, here's what's going on. But, oh boy, is that, that's going to be rough. And it's. And it's good that it's rough because we. Losing out would be perfect. Lose. And if they continue to care about defense to the extent that, that they are at the moment, losing out might happen and they might end up with a really, really good basketball player. You can go and, and keep hitting Tankathon. Spin that wheel as many times you want and see if you can get the Bulls a top three pick. But ooh, it is burns the eyes, it stings the nostrils, it does horrible things to your digestive system. But you got to really know how to zero in on some individual players. And the problem is because they're not playing with Josh Giddey, they can't answer the biggest scouting question. The biggest scouting question right now is how do any of these people fit on a team that is run by Josh Giddey? We have no idea. And until he comes back, we're not going to know. And maybe they're not going to bring him back because they don't want him to help them win. So it's all very confusing.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, it's really difficult to see him sitting on the bench and then to say, to hear the announcer say, oh, just wait till these guys get to play all together to see what you have and who you have. Well, when's that going to happen? If that's even going to happen?

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Correct. Did you listen last night? Because the game basically devolved into Stacy and Adam making fun of Adam of means friends who were there in the crowd and they showed all these, all these college buddies and Adam and me was noting. He's like, oh, well, this guy played major league baseball and this is a broadcast guy. And we were all in school together and Stacy said, I thought that was a boy band. And then he said, yeah, it's a boy band called Midlife Crisis. And then he said, animal, you got kicked out of the band because you're not sitting with them. So all of their work and then they were just doing shtick for the rest of the game.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, I don't blame them.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Well, yeah, because you. It's better than actually describing what's going on on the court.

[Dan Bernstein]

It was like, like 72 to 44 at halftime. Yeah, it was not something like that.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yeah, but it's okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

I had like dinners to make and driving and practices to drop off. So I, I again watched the first half with Hank and then after that I was. Yeah, I was good.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Well, you weren't good.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, yeah, I mean, I was good to not watch. That's what I meant. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

So you know what I was doing afterward? You know what made my life better? Because, you know, there was a knock on the door yesterday and it's rare. It was weird because. Was it nice? No, it wasn't. I had forgot that I bought girl scout cookies.

[Dan Bernstein]

I forgot.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

I forgot because.

[Dan Bernstein]

What did you buy?

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

I bought Thin Mints and tag alongs. That's the tag along is the chocolate covered soft peanut butter over a hard cookie.

[Dan Bernstein]

Dude, that's so funny. I was at sunset and I was leaving and there's a girl Scouts. They were selling cookies and I bought two boxes and I bought Thin Mints and Tagalongs.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yep, those. Those are the best.

[Dan Bernstein]

I, I never know the name of the chocolate peanut butter ones. I always just say where's the chocolate peanut butter tagalongs? I took a box of those, and then the boys like thin Mint. So that's what. Yeah, that's funny. We got the same order.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yep.

[Dan Bernstein]

And.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

And I remember.

[Dan Bernstein]

And like.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Oh, yeah. That was the best feeling. Like forgetting. I had already paid 5 to 20.

[Dan Bernstein]

In your pocket.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yeah, better. Like, I'd already paid cash. And then it's like, oh, somebody's at my door handing me these things as if they're free, because I'd forgotten about it. And by, like, Dan Math, I said, oh, free cookies. Didn't you already pay cash? I forgot. So this is. Right. So now that I've forgotten, this is essentially free.

[Dan Bernstein]

And how many did you eat? What did you eat?

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

I think I did very well. I had five tagalongs and. And I had five thin mints.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

That's it. But that was after I ate half a coffee cake.

[Dan Bernstein]

Ooh, what kind?

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Pecan cinnamon icing drizzle?

[Dan Bernstein]

Mariano's.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Okay. Nice. Yeah, I have a couple tagalongs left. I think I'll. I'm not gonna have to eat them out after we're done recording.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yeah, but it was just that. So. So that I. I will say, if you are going to watch Bulls basketball, this is my prescription. This is. This is Dr. Basketball Face here.

[Dan Bernstein]

If.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

If you are going to watch Bulls basketball, do not watch Bulls basketball without a proper amount of Girl Scout cookies, because that counterbalances it.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's very good. That's a great recommendation.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Right? That makes everything. Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Very good. Girl Scout cookies make everything better.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

And you know what else can make bad Bulls basketball better? If you're capitalizing on it through my bookie. Because I'm going to try to figure it out, because There are opportunities.

[Dan Bernstein]

Six. Yeah, I'll take that.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Boston minus 62.

[Dan Bernstein]

I'm in. Done.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yes. And my bookie lets you do that. And I'm working on it. I'm going to try to figure this out for you and see what we can do to make the Bulls more fun in that regard. And there's all kinds of stuff, because you got to get your futures bets in for March Madness. Those are all right there. I know. Maddie's already put one down. There's future bets for NBA playoffs, and baseball stuff is even starting now. So get in on my bookie, you register, and then you deposit and you use our promo code. It's dbu. Those three letters. One account, one wallet. Whatever you like to bet, whether it is spreads or money lines or parlays. Or you want to hit the casino during commercials. Everything's right there at MyBookie AG, the promo code is DBU, and your first bet's covered up to 500 bucks. If it doesn't hit, you have a bet back bonus token, and then you can run it back. So again, MyBookie AG, use the code DBU, and then you're rolling. And you're not just watching, you're making it pay. You're making it fun. With my bookie.

[Dan Bernstein]

So yesterday we talked about the Norman Rockwell painting that is making that made its way to the Art Institute about the Cubs, and it's called the Dugout. Well, you have that little story. So my buddy Max, he coached my buddy Max. Yeah, he coached Jackson for, I think, four seasons in Libertyville. Baseball sent me this article, and I don't know if you were aware of this at the time, but this is from the New York Times, and this is from November 4, 2016. And Wayne Kamadoy, Times art director, reveals that there was a very special image planned for the sports section that never happened back in 2016. Okay, so here's what happened. This is so November 4, 2016. Let me get the story here. There was a reimagining of Norman Rockwell's 1948 painting, the Dugout for the Saturday Evening Post, updated with current Chicago Cubs Kyle Schwaber, Joe Madden, Jake Arrieta. They were sitting in the dugout. Javier Baez, his face was in the, like the body of the bat boy. And then standing behind Javier Baez was Chris Bryant. So here's what the Times sports department, and this is the article, November 4, 2016. They thought the Cleveland Indians were going to win the 2016 World Series. History was certainly on their side. The last time the Cubs had won the World Series, 1948. So true to form, the Cubs lost the first game, okay? And so they thought for sure that they were headed in something in the right direction. So the art department's wheel started turning when Sam Roberts, an old bits reporter, reminded the sports desk that Rockwell had painted the scene of the Dugout. Soon after, Andrea Zagata, a staff designer, was off and running. She asked Robert Carter, a freelance illustrator, to create an image that would lead the sports section front page. When the Indians won the World Series, she instructed him to modernize the players. So I mentioned Kyle Schwerberg, Joe Madden, Javier Baez, Chris Bryan, Jake Arrieta. So then a victory by game two by the Cubs did not deter the sports editor, who said, still, proceed with the Rockwell inspired illustration, which would offer a non traditional visual approach. But they said, what happens if the Cubs were to win? The illustration would go unpublished or be spiked, as they say in the newspaper world. But they said, come on, man, that's the Cubs. Surely they'll cooperate as they have for the past 108 years.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

They didn't. And don't call me shirley.

[Dan Bernstein]

So down three games to one, the Cubs were ready to deliver heartbreak. And Mr. Carter quickly delivered the final artwork just as planned. Game five, Cubs win. No worries. Game six, Cubs win. Wait till tomorrow. Game seven. All right. Everyone knows what happened. The page, conceived nearly a week earlier and completed before game 5, never made it into print.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Wow.

[Dan Bernstein]

So you can look it up to see it. But I'll. I'll just put this up here. See if you can see.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

Hold on.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Okay. Oh, my gosh. That's Baez's face on there.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. And you got Bryant behind him. There's Arietta Madness slumped over and Schwarber's next to Madden.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Wow.

[Dan Bernstein]

And obviously they never used it because the Cubs won the World Series.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Now that if you can get a print of that and get that autographed.

[Dan Bernstein]

By everybody, oh, it'd be amazing. So my buddy Max, so he sends me this story. He's like, not sure if you guys were aware of this, so thanks for sending that, Max. But he has a copy of that blown up the New York Times one, along with a, you know, a copy of the Rockwell painting blown up and hanging in his basement side by side.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

How cool is that?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, really cool, right? Yeah, very cool. I. I wasn't aware of that story at the time. So I'm really glad that we talked about it yesterday. That he sent it to me yesterday as well.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

I did not know that existed. I bet, I bet most Cubs fans didn't know that existed.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

But, you know, and that you probably wouldn't get refusals to autograph it because they. They did.

[Dan Bernstein]

They won the World Series.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Maybe Joe Madden won't, because they almost didn't because of him.

[Dan Bernstein]

Crusty.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

And he's crusty.

[Dan Bernstein]

That was November 2nd, right? Was. Was game seven.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

So then they. They posted that story two days later in the Times.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Wow.

[Dan Bernstein]

Very cool. Wow. I'm glad. I'm glad that you weren't familiar with that. That's great, Steve.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

No, I had. I had no idea. Now, I also was surprised to read something this morning and I did not have it on my bingo card.

[Dan Bernstein]

That.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

No, look, that Paul Sullivan, the, in the wake of the news, sports columnist for the Tribune that he.

[Dan Bernstein]

That.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

That his opinion would be like, we were making fun of it yesterday. Making fun of the fact that the Art Institute had had stooped to include a Norman Rockwell.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

And I was kind of making fun of. Of the Art Institute being like, well, like, I guess we'll have to accept this, perhaps on a temporary basis. And here comes Sully in the middle of his piece from the top rope, taking a stand for aesthetics. No, I love this, and this is awesome. If somebody had said, who is going to come in charging on his steed and stand there and say, not on my watch.

[Dan Bernstein]

To protect the honor and dignity of the Art Institute.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yes. And it's Paul Sulliv. Let's go. This is. This is for me. No, I know. I'm laughing because it's awesome. Not because I'm making fun of Sully. I want that really clear.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Because I think for him to be like, you know what? Screw this.

[Dan Bernstein]

This is some bullshit.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yes, he wrote. The Art Institute of Chicago garnered a lot of publicity Tuesday for installing Norman Rockwell's The Dugout, a 1948 illustration of slumping players and manager Charlie Grimm in the Cubs dugout, and the heckling Boston Red Sox fans behind them. No offense to Rockwell or his many fans, but this would be like chef Grant Achatz adding a Big Mac to the menu at Alinea.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's funny.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Grant Achatz adding a Big Mac to the menu at Alinea. It's a kitschy piece of Americana, but not a great work of art befitting a museum with the reputation of the Art Institute. A better venue for the Dugout would be at Wrigley Field, where Cubs fans could take selfies in front of.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's so good. He's not wrong either.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

I love it, but he's wrong at all. But here's the thing. If you. But see, Grant Ockets would put a.

[Dan Bernstein]

Big Mac on, but not a McDonald's Big Mac. He would do his own recreation of a Big Mac, which would be a thousand times better than any Big Mac you've ever had.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

And he would do it as an ironic commentary on Big Mac.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

So I'm saying don't. Don't threaten him with a good time.

[Dan Bernstein]

Is what I'm saying.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Is you. You put that down there, and he'd be like, oh. Oh, you bet I wouldn't watch this. So I would love to see that happen. Is it Akats or. It is Akats, right?

[Dan Bernstein]

You know, I don't think that's the. I don't know.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

I think it's right. But I do. The one thing about him that. And I have not been to Alinea, that.

[Dan Bernstein]

That.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

That's sort of. It might be a little much even for me, but he was a huge fan of one of my late lamented favorite Chicago restaurants, which. Jerry's Grill.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, really?

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

On the corner of Western and Montrose. The 24 hour, cash only. I. I miss it terribly.

[Dan Bernstein]

I thought you were going to say he was a big fan of bnb. I was like, oh, shit. Might have been that. I wish I would have known that.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

No, he sure might have been. But he. He was a big fan of Jerry's Grill. And I loved Jerry's Grill. My kids loved Jerry's Grill. It's still not. There is something there now, but it's just not the same. Covid really sort of put the final nail in a. In a great Chicago institution. But I saw him on television, and at one point, he was eating there with the reporter, and I'm like, all right, this. This guy's good. That.

[Dan Bernstein]

That.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

That's all I need to see.

[Dan Bernstein]

But I can. I can tell you right now, I've known you long enough and know you well enough that it would not be too much for you to go to.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

I know.

[Dan Bernstein]

I know you should go to Alinea. And I know I. Natalie took me for my 50th, and it was. It was. I mean, the food was next level, and the experience overall was just something I'll never be able to experience ever again. It was amazing. Absolutely entirely amazing. And it was when we were still enjoying wine at that time, and we did the wine pairing with it, the service, the individuals. It was, dude, you. You've got to go one time. Got to go one time. It was. It was great. It was great. And his story, too, is. Is just. Is really inspiring. And it's terrible at the same time. I mean, to deal with, like, tongue cancer and his level of chef that he was and had a talk about irony. Rebuild and relearn his palate and tasting things over. I mean, it was just. It's. Yeah, he's. And, you know, I don't know the guy personally, and what I know are things I've seen on TV or heard from other individuals. A good dude. And, you know, yeah, I would love to see him do a take on, like, fast food, like a whole. A whole serving at Alinea of, like, America's favorite fast foods. And, like, you know, the Big Mac would be in there, and his take on a slider, you know, fried chicken, I mean, whatever. Else you could do that would be. That would be great. But, yeah, Paul Sullivan's piece. So that was. That was outstanding. And I love the idea of it being at Wrigley for people to take selfies. That's just. That's a. That's a great little punch right there.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Well, also, because Wrigley itself is as close to a baseball museum outside of the hall of Fame as, you know, like a living, breathing museum that is still being used for baseball.

[Dan Bernstein]

Right.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

And he may not be wrong. It may be aesthetically a more appropriate fit there. I just didn't think the defender of what constitutes worthy art today would be Sully.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, it's great.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yeah.

[Dan Bernstein]

Really good stuff.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

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[Dan Bernstein]

Well, thank you, Dan. So here's what happened yet. What?

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

What are you laughing at?

[Dan Bernstein]

Nothing. I said thank you, Dan. It was Very.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

You didn't. You said, thank you, Dan.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, no. That was like a big snort from my being stuffy and have a. Oh, okay. Yeah. I wasn't laughing at you.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

No, you weren't.

[Dan Bernstein]

I like how you're into it. It's great.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yeah. Thanks.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right. You need some tissue? I'm sorry. Did I hold? You little fiends. You okay? No.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

You're just being a master.

[Dan Bernstein]

Do you need an alternate emotional support host?

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Bring him in. It's like the. The inflatable autopilot.

[Dan Bernstein]

Leave the chair, and he just inflates. Right. All right. Well, yesterday in cross country skiing, I know how much you love it. The women's 10k final, Jesse Diggins of the US won bronze. So we can add that to the. The. The medal count.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

The.

[Dan Bernstein]

I watched this last night. I don't know if you watched the ice dancing final.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

I did not.

[Dan Bernstein]

With Madison Chalk and Evan Bates.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Okay. Those are famous names, right? Those are. They were. They were going to win things.

[Dan Bernstein]

Well, they're Bates married couple. They've been skating together for 15 years now. And they were a favorite to win. To win gold, and they actually lost to a French team and they won the silver. So Chalk and Bates got the silver and they. They missed out on Gold by 1.4. 4 points. It was really, really close. But no, they were right there. So it was. It was the. It was Chalk and Bates and the French team were right there. And then there was a gap of like 10 points to the bronze. I mean, so they. It was. They were well, well ahead. So, yeah, they unfortunately got the silver, but good on them. Women's moguls. I know you like that as well, too. Two Americans actually meddled. Elizabeth Lemley got the gold and Jalen Co got the silver. I do want to point out the doubles luge, men's and women's final took place last night. Dan.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

That's where you have people stacked on top each other on the luge. So it's not bad enough for one person to go down at a thousand miles an hour. You have someone on top of you as well, which is fun, I think something we're going to compete in together in four years. Italy took the gold in men's.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

What, we're gonna compete in that?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes, well, we're trying out. And I didn't let you know.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

I think the rallying cry of doubles luge is, get off me now. Right. That's all they're saying all the way down.

[Dan Bernstein]

See, I don't think you should be Stacked. I think you should be side by side. And the goal is to get your partner off as you're going down.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yeah. You're just kind of shoving each other.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. Who you can push off. All right. And then. Oh, where'd my screen go? There we go. So Italy took the gold in men's and women's doubles luge Yesterday. The men's 1000 meter final for speed skating. I don't know if you saw this too. Very, very cool. I saw this. Jordan Stolz, S T O L Z. He took the gold for America and he actually set an Olympic record as well. Jordan stoles very. I think he might be 21, 22 years old from Wisconsin and had a really, really great, great run. So won the thousand meters gold for speed skating. Men's hockey actually starts today for the US team. They play at 210.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Are we doing this?

[Dan Bernstein]

Latvia?

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

What are we going to, like, all agree to pretend to get into hockey for this.

[Dan Bernstein]

Save that for one second. Put a pin in it, because we're going to. We'll talk about that.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

US and Latvia, 210 today. Denmark and Germany also at 210. Those are the four teams in group C together. Canada right now is playing chechen. They're leading 2 to 0. Canada is the favorite to win the gold. Dan. For men's hockey at a plus 115. The US team is a plus 175. Okay, so men's hockey today at 210. And then Chloe Kim goes for the gold medal today in the snowboard half pipe final. If she does get the gold, she'll be the first snowboarder ever to win three consecutive gold medals. So Shaun White, he's won three gold medals for snowboarding, but they weren't consecutive years or consecutive Olympics, so she'd be the first one to do it ever. Chloe Kim, by the way, her boyfriend, Miles Garrett.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Really?

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. And he was there supporting Iran last night. Very cool to see that. Had a giant camera with a giant lens on it. Was taking pictures and. Yeah, very, very cool. So she'll be the first snowboarder ever, if she wins the gold medal, to win three straight Olympics gold medals.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Wow. So between Jonathan Owens and Simone Biles and Miles Garrett and Chloe Kim, those are. There are some interesting, like, NFL collections. A lot of medals.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, but if we're. I mean, if we're putting money on it, I'm taking. I'm taking Garrett and Kim as far as how power.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yeah, well, that's. It's a.

[Dan Bernstein]

It's a More accomplished if, like, you get them in the ring or something.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Oh, yeah, Right. Yes. Yeah. I mean, they win both. It's a more accomplished guy. NFL player and a more accomplished Olympian.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yes. Yeah. And if they went to a fight, like a couple's boxing match.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Simone Biles is four, six miles.

[Dan Bernstein]

Garrett's like seven foot.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

No, he's not.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, I would take him. Okay, that's.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

But they have to do it like. Like Master Blaster from. From Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome or.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. You could do like. Or like chicken fights. Yeah, chicken pool. Yeah, in the pool. We could do that. That'd be great.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right. And then the metal count here for you right now. Oh, my God. Italy on top with 14 medals, Norway with 13. And they're also now tied with the U.S. at 13. So America has jumped. America's jumped up. So 14, 13, 13. Austria with 11. Japan nine. Sweden and France with eight.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

This has been a 312 Sports Olympic update. But let me also note too.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, wait, hold on. I already did the outro. This has been an Olympic update.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Olympics.

[Dan Bernstein]

Important.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

We are intoning things in broadcaster voice. I also want to say, though, it is what's going on with Vladislav Haraskovich, the Ukrainian skeleton racer who has been disqualified because his helmet depicts his country's athletes and coaches that have been killed in the war.

[Dan Bernstein]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

They disqualified the guy because of his helmet because of people who died in a war. That doesn't seem right.

[Dan Bernstein]

It doesn't seem right. But you also have to understand, are there. Are there standards that they have for the uniforms? Like, like at Wimbledon, you have to wear all white. Correct.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yeah, I understand that. But like, baseball is supposed to do that too, when people always, on their caps and their shoes, they write names of. Of people and everybody looks past it because, you know, they're honored or they have the, you know, guys jersey hanging in the dugout or whatever they do. This is. I mean, it's a little. Little strong army. A little much. Just let the guy wears helmet.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. Did you see the. The coach for Finland, the ski jumping team got sent home for drinking.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Yes.

[Dan Bernstein]

Drinking. Yes.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

I don't know. For drinking or doing something after drinking.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah. I'm not sure there was clear. No more details in the story.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

My guess it's the latter. My guess is that there's no way somebody from Finland wouldn't be allowed to drink. My guess is there was a behavioral issue that was tied to drinking.

[Dan Bernstein]

So got to drinking and something happened.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Dad did something. Probably not good.

[Dan Bernstein]

All Right. So you asked the question about are we really doing this for hockey?

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

I'm just. I just want to know what the plan is. Are we. Are we getting all excited for men's hockey to do the thing?

[Dan Bernstein]

Can we just. Can we just say, make a proclamation that it's on an individual basis? If you feel it, then do it. If you don't, then don't worry about it. Like, we don't. We shouldn't force people to be excited about men's hockey.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

If you're not into it. No, I get into it. I like. I like Olympic hockey. So I'll watch, and I'll be excited for it if they were to win a medal. But if you're not interested in hockey, then. Hey, then go with that.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Okay. I just. I wanted to make sure that that was just known what we're doing here, as I know that there's a. There are, like, roving packs of heated rivalry fans walking around looking for. For things in which to be hockey interested and.

[Dan Bernstein]

Go ahead.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Okay. Like, whatever. Whatever knocked your socks off, go ahead. And if you want to wave the flag for men's hockey, I just. I'm asking if this is going to be a thing, and you're saying maybe.

[Dan Bernstein]

Again, let's go on an individual basis. If you want to make it a thing, then make it a thing. If you don't, then you don't have to. You're not required to.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Good. I think that that's a wise choice on your part, and I will adhere to that. Defer to your judgment.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, sounds good.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

But I may have the game on today. 210, you say 210. They play Latvia with Latvia.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yep. And then who plays at the same time is Denmark and Germany. So that's group C, Denmark, Germany, the US And Latvia. Okay.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

That's all group C. That's all group C. And you have to win your group or finish in the top two. How does it work to make the medal round?

[Dan Bernstein]

I think you have to win your group.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Okay.

[Dan Bernstein]

I think you have to win your group to make the medal round.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

All right.

[Dan Bernstein]

Where the women's U.S. hockey team has already won their group. They clinched it. They're four.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

No, they're stomping everybody.

[Dan Bernstein]

Yeah, and they should. Yeah, they should. I mean, they're obviously a heavy favorite to win the gold medal and should take that. And as I gave you the odds there, the Canada men's team, one plus 115, and the men's US team plus 175. And then from there, it's like, plus 2,000. Yeah.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

So, okay, I don't know if we're allowed to talk now that I've already said the conclusion to our Olympic update. I think we're violating the rules here. Once it's been concluded, we follow parliamentary procedure here, what do we do wrong? Because I read the conclusion and you played the music, and that's like a cloture vote of some kind. I just want to make sure that we're allowed to continue talking about it once the closing music has played for the Olympic update.

[Dan Bernstein]

All right, well, let's stop talking about it right now.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Now can I talk about it?

[Dan Bernstein]

No. Oh.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Oh, that's right. Okay, we're done. So I'll just close it. This has been Dan Bernstein Unfiltered for Thursday, brought to you in partnership with my bookie, Dan Bernstein.

[Dan Bernstein]

Unfiltered.

[Co-host (possibly a sports analyst or commentator)]

Unfiltered.

[Dan Bernstein]

On three. One, two, sports.