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The kids.

Danielle Fishel (3:12)

Drew. Every week we put a call out for voice memos detailing embarrassing stories from growing up. And luckily, we have some very open and honest listeners. So this week we are going to hear a tale of music embarrassment from Rachel in Omaha, Nebraska.

Rachel (Listener Story) (3:29)

I went to a middle school and high school in a very rural area of Iowa. But we had an insanely good marching band. We won everything. And we took marching band very seriously. So picture this. It's 2001, right after 9 11. We were opening our town's fall festival parade with the Star Spangled Banner. Everyone was silent. It was emotional. As you can imagine. You could hear a pin drop. We're standing at parade rest, waiting to be called to attention. I'm first chair clarinet, leading the woodwinds. My parents and family friends are on the sidewalk watching. Suddenly, one of my parents friends who has known me since I was in diapers, yells at the top of his lungs, hey, Rachel, I've got your hemorrhoid medicine out in the car in front of the entire town, other schools, other bands. I did not move. I did not blink. I did not break parade rest. But I wanted to walk across the street and shove my clarinet up his, you know, where I'm pretty sure almost 25 years later, my school still talks about it.

Danielle Fishel (4:40)

Oh, my God, did people laugh like, I what? Was he making a joke? Did he think that was the right time?

Drew Lachey (4:46)

I'm. I'm. I mean, if timing is everything, I. I appreciate the joke. I don't necessarily think the timing was. Was necessarily appropriate, but I mean, that's a good story, though. I mean, I mean, you gotta. You gotta give it to him.

Danielle Fishel (5:01)

Honestly. That is. That is great. I feel like, like you said, the proximity to 911 is what's. Is what's really hurting this. At any other time in history, this joke goes down in history. And if you're there to witness that moment, you talk about it with people like it's one of your stories. Oh, once I was at this parade and someone yelled out about hemorrhoid cream. Like, that's a story you tell forever.

Drew Lachey (5:26)

Y. I mean, but I do appreciate the fact that, number one, he had the balls to do it because, you know, it's. You Got to put yourself out there. But the fact that the town is still talking about it to this day, I mean, you gotta. You gotta tip your hat. That's. That's pretty. Pretty impressive.

Danielle Fishel (5:45)

Absolutely. What? Has there ever been a really embarrassing moment for you while you were performing?

Drew Lachey (5:51)

I mean, I was doing Rent on Broadway and I completely forgot the words.

Danielle Fishel (5:55)

Really?

Drew Lachey (5:55)

Oh, yeah. You know, at the end of act one, la be ba wham. And I say, mimi and Roger share a. I think it's like, share a long kiss or a beautiful kiss or something. There was something. And they're like standing behind me on this balcony. I'm like downstage center. And I turn and I'm like. I completely just. And I had been doing the show for like, months and months at that point, you know, so, yeah, I mean, I've got. I've done all those things. I've tripped and fallen on my face, I've slid off the front of the stage, I've split pants, I've, you know, dropped microphones. It's, you know, the list goes on and on.

Danielle Fishel (6:34)

Yeah. When you perform as much as you have, you're bound to have at least one experience with almost everything.

Drew Lachey (6:40)

It's not always going to go right.

Danielle Fishel (6:42)

No, definitely not. What. What was. Did you enjoy being on Broadway? Do you want to do it again?

Drew Lachey (6:47)

Oh, I absolutely loved it. So theater. So since, you know, 98 degrees, you know, kind of stopped in the first time in 2001, September 11, is what. What, you know, send us into retirement pretty much. You know, and we came back. But I've focused a lot more on theater since then. So I've done. I did rent and spam a lot. My wife and I actually have created a musical that's going off Broadway this summer for the entire summer.

Danielle Fishel (7:14)

What's it called?

Drew Lachey (7:15)

It's called Labelists. You know, it's completely different kind of look at theater. And, you know, I wrote four, five out of the 16 songs. She choreographed it, we directed. It's like our new. It's our new passion that we've been working on for eight years. It's gonna be eight year overnight success.

Danielle Fishel (7:34)

Exactly.

Drew Lachey (7:35)

But, yeah, I mean, theater. Theater has become, you know, a big part of who I am and what I do. So whether it's me performing or whether it's, you know, labelists and producing and directing, that, yeah, it's. It's a big part of my life

Danielle Fishel (7:48)

that is so wonderful. So people can see it off Broadway this summer.

Drew Lachey (7:52)

Yeah.

Danielle Fishel (7:53)

Okay, Very good. Do your bandmates ever try to make you Break mid performance. Try to get you to laugh like this family did to poor Rachel in our clip.

Drew Lachey (8:03)

Well, yes, I mean, so the four of us are, are. We're ridiculous around each other. I mean, it's, you know, I kind of mentioned, you know, my, my text exchange with like Joey and Chris and how, you know, it's still 12 year old boys. It's, it's very similar with the four of us, you know, and I'm usually the one that's like trying to like, all right, this is the show. It's got to be the right show. It's got to be quality. Like, we gotta make sure our fans are getting their, their money's worth and you know, but they want a good time too. They want something that's special and unique and oh, the one time that I was at the show that Nick forgot the words, even though that could be at many shows because it happens on a regular basis, you know, so. But yeah, we try and make sure that we're having a good time because if we're having a good time, the audience is going to have a good time. But yeah, you're constantly, you know, poking each other or like. Yeah, Nick likes to drop the mic stand all the way down because I'm shorter than him. So like, he'll come and it'll be like navel level and you know, stupid stuff like that.

Jemele Hill (9:08)

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Drew Lachey (9:10)

Teenage boys.

Danielle Fishel (9:11)

I've always wondered every time I'm at a concert, what happens if one of you needs to go to the bathroom? Do you. Does anybody, could anybody just cover for you? Like, what happens?

Drew Lachey (9:21)

So, I mean, there are moments between songs where it's like, it hasn't been that, but it's been like people are having mic issues or their, their ear monitors go out and things like that. So it's literally just like, all right, story time with Drew. And I'll literally just sit there and I'll just. You. I'm usually the one talking and I'll usually just cover for however long until I get the thumbs up and then we'll go on to the next song and hopefully the audience never knows the difference. But yeah, if you can't, if you can't make it, you know, 90 minutes, two hours without a potty break. You know, you need to plan your, your.

Jemele Hill (9:57)

I know.

Danielle Fishel (9:58)

I just always wonder if you forget right before you go on. I mean, I guess. Is there some sort of intermission?

Drew Lachey (10:03)

No.

Danielle Fishel (10:04)

Okay. No.

Drew Lachey (10:05)

No.

Danielle Fishel (10:05)

All right. Do you.

Drew Lachey (10:06)

But, but like two hour shows, you usually have like a costume change in the middle.

Danielle Fishel (10:09)

Okay, so worst case scenario, you could possibly.

Drew Lachey (10:12)

Yeah. Or you just run off the side of the stage, find a bucket somewhere. Tree.

Danielle Fishel (10:15)

There you go.

Drew Lachey (10:15)

Look what you got to do.

Danielle Fishel (10:16)

A tree on the side of the stage. I love it.

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Danielle Fishel (15:02)

You were a fellow TGIF alum. You appeared on one episode of Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and I have to give you props, you did not play yourself. What was that like?

Drew Lachey (15:14)

So it was kind of strange and weird because I had this. I was a singer still but then it was, it was, I met, I think it was Chris Harrison. He was the host of the, of the challenge and I was the singer on the challenge. It's basically like an American Idol kind of final finale thing. And I was saying Almost paradise, you know that. Yes, that song. And so it was kind of weird because I had to go in and re record it. So there was this part of my life that was real. But then it was like, then I had to go. I think his name was Zeke maybe. No.

Danielle Fishel (15:48)

Okay.

Drew Lachey (15:48)

I don't know. It was a long time ago.

Danielle Fishel (15:51)

Yeah, I get it, I get it.

Drew Lachey (15:52)

But yeah, it was fun. Like all those experiences, you learn from them, you take things from them, you put them into your next experience, you try to do better the next time. And it wasn't the heaviest of lifts, but I don't think Michael B. Jordan has anything to worry about.

Danielle Fishel (16:13)

No. Did you get to work with the cat?

Drew Lachey (16:17)

I did not get to work with the cat.

Danielle Fishel (16:19)

Oh, yeah, that's sad.

Drew Lachey (16:20)

Yeah. Yeah. But you know, it was okay. I, I was in proximity, you know. You know, it was, it was, I was close.

Danielle Fishel (16:28)

Close enough.

Drew Lachey (16:28)

Three degrees of separation.

Danielle Fishel (16:30)

You have two mostly grown kids, a 20 year old and an almost 16 year old. Do they know how cool we were back in the day? And if not, could you tell them? I'm really trying to get the word out.

Drew Lachey (16:44)

I am constantly trying to remind them.

Jemele Hill (16:45)

Okay, good.

Drew Lachey (16:47)

No, I think from, for me, the, the less they think of me as that, the better.

Danielle Fishel (16:53)

Okay.

Drew Lachey (16:54)

You know, because then there is a level of expectation of what they think that I think they should be doing with their lives.

Jemele Hill (17:02)

Right.

Drew Lachey (17:03)

You know, what successes and things like that. I think for me, the, the biggest kind of like flexes that I have from that is like, oh yeah, Michael B. Jordan. Yeah. We used to play basketball together when like it's like that proximity.

Jemele Hill (17:19)

Yeah.

Drew Lachey (17:20)

That they look up to. Oh, yeah. Pink. Yeah. Well, you know, we, the first time we met, we were in the studio and then you were. She was sitting behind us on a plane one time and you know, she talked about how much you were screaming.

Danielle Fishel (17:32)

Yeah, exactly. She knows who you are. She remembers you.

Drew Lachey (17:35)

Yeah, those stories. Yeah. But I think for them, like they've had weird like teacher experiences. Like teachers be like your dad or your uncle and this is. And then it just makes it get kind of weird. And.

Danielle Fishel (17:49)

Yeah. Then they're like, ew, don't talk about my family.

Drew Lachey (17:52)

But they, they do, they do get little glimpses of it every once in a while.

Danielle Fishel (17:57)

All right, well, I I like that you guys moved back to Ohio in like 2008, 2009. You've been there for a while, right?

Drew Lachey (18:04)

Yeah, 2009. Yeah, it's, it's been, it's been great. I think it was like the best decision we ever made. Number one, you know, just the, the normal life that you can give our, our kids. And for, for us, like, normal was growing up in Ohio because we both grew up here. So when we thought about what a normal childhood was, it was here and being able to ride your bikes and, you know, being close to family. For people that grow up in la, that's the normal childhood. And, you know, so. But for us, being able to be home and around family, I mean, Leah's grandmother's still alive in 97. So my kids, my grandmother just passed away. So, like they've had multiple generations of like, great grandparents for, you know, years. So it's, it's just a childhood that, you know, we couldn't have given them if we had stayed in la.

Danielle Fishel (18:56)

Right. Are your kids musical at all? What are they into?

Drew Lachey (18:59)

My daughter is, as a theater kid, you know, she loves performing, she loves the arts in general. You know, she's, you know, she goes to college, but she rushes every, you know, theater show she can and goes to as much shows, as many shows as possible. My son is a little bit more of like a low key, like, music kid. Like AirPods are always in and I'm like, yo, what are you listening to? And I think it's going to be like something like really inappropriate. The other day he was like, he had Fleetwood Mac in his, on his AirPods. I was like, I was like, okay, all right. And so now we're like, we're, we're going back and forth about like, all right, have you listened to this and this and this? And so, you know, we were talking music and you know, it's, it's a, it's a fun experience to be able to, to share those kind of things with your kids.

Danielle Fishel (19:46)

Wow, I'm really impressed that your 20 year old is like, I'm listening to Fleetwood Mac. That's good.

Drew Lachey (19:51)

Oh, this is my 16 year old. But the 20 year old, she's like got Carole King posters up on her wall and like, she's like, yeah, she doesn't, she listens like all sorts of music. My son too, even like goes country to hip hop to, you know, rock. It doesn't matter. He's like, just got good, good taste. I'm like, you should be a dj, man.

Danielle Fishel (20:14)

Yeah, he likes everything. That's a great. A great idea. Do they. Did they go to performing arts schools?

Drew Lachey (20:19)

No. My son actually goes to a very, very sports centric school, you know, and so he's, you know, playing soccer in lacrosse and, like, living that. Living that life. My daughter went to a, you know, public. Public high school, but grew up dancing her entire life and, you know, just kind of, you know, following in those footsteps. I like to tell everybody, they're like, oh, you want to dance with the stars? I'm like, I'm the fourth best dancer in my own house. Like, my son's got more potential than I do. My daughter can do whatever. My wife is amazing. So I don't even win in my own household.

Jemele Hill (20:56)

So funny.

Drew Lachey (20:56)

Yeah.

Danielle Fishel (20:58)

If you had to pick one moment from 98 degrees from the massive career that 98 degrees had and still has, but you had to pick one moment to call it the best. I'm forcing you to do it, what do you think it would be?

Drew Lachey (21:13)

Oh, geez. So the first time we were on the Tonight show, we were on for True to youo Heart, which was the song we did for the Mulan soundtrack with Stevie Wonder. And so we performed the song live and Jay Leno went up to Stevie and, you know, was like, we would love to have you on the couch after. After the performance and talk to you. And he said, well, I'll only go if the boys go with me. And, you know, that moment of validation from somebody who is arguably the greatest musician of all time, somebody you've looked up to, somebody who doesn't owe you anything, but is going to, number one, show you that, that level of musical respect, but also just that level of mentorship and, you know, compassion. To be like, you know what, this would mean a lot to them. Let me bring them along. I think, you know, the performance was huge, of course, but the fact that you're able to see that humanity from somebody of that level in that moment, you know, kind of made me be like, oh, you don't have to be an ass in this business. You can still be a good person, treat people well, do the right thing, and be good at what you do,

Danielle Fishel (22:28)

and share your light. And it doesn't take away any of his light. He still had all his own light. He was just able to share it with you. And, yeah, what a great example and what a perfect moment to choose.

Drew Lachey (22:39)

Yeah.

Danielle Fishel (22:39)

Doesn't surprise me at all that that's the moment that stands out for you. Drew, thank you so much for being here with me. It was a joy to see you. I think the last time I saw you was 90s con. It was so much fun. A little. What we call our high school reunion is what 90s 90s con feels like for for all my dear listeners. You can see Drew Lachey on the new season of Rock the block. It debuts April 13th on HGTV. I will be rooting for you if you win. Let's celebrate by taking our families back to Cancun. All right, let's do it. Family trip.

Drew Lachey (23:16)

Sounds good. No booze cruises this time.

Danielle Fishel (23:18)

No booze cruises. No, thank you. We'll pass on that. We want to remember this one.

Drew Lachey (23:23)

Absolutely.

Danielle Fishel (23:25)

Thank you, Drew. It was great to see you, as always.

Drew Lachey (23:27)

Great to see you too.

Danielle Fishel (23:28)

Talk to you soon.

Drew Lachey (23:29)

All right. Bye. Bye.

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Bye.

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10 10. Shots fired. City hall building. How could this have happened in City Hall? Somebody tell me that.

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A shocking public murder.

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Those are shots.

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Would you like to. Yeah.

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