More Time With: Joe King from The Fray

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Teen Beat with Danielle Fishel: More Time With Joe King from The Fray
iHeartPodcasts | May 15, 2026

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Episode Overview

In this engaging episode of Teen Beat, host Danielle Fishel sits down with Joe King (with fellow The Fray bandmate Isaac Slade also in the mix) to reflect on the formative—and sometimes awkward—moments of youth. Danielle turns the spotlight toward Joe’s upbringing, his earliest musical inspirations, the origin stories behind some songwriting, faith and questioning childhood norms, and how reconnecting with The Fray has reshaped his artistry and outlook post-hiatus. The episode also touches on nostalgic firsts, the power of fan connection, and the enduring magic of music to make us feel less alone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Listener Story: Embarrassing First Kiss

[03:31-06:16]

• Danielle opens the heart of the episode by sharing a listener-submitted story from Jeanette about her awkward, disappointing first kiss (“he came at me with his mouth open, wide open, and proceeded to keep his mouth open for the whole time. And it was probably the most uncomfortable five minutes of my life.” – Jeanette, [04:27])
• Danielle and Isaac respond humorously (“This guy sounds like a big jerk. Not gonna lie.” – Danielle, [06:25]), commiserating over universal teenage embarrassments.

Songwriting and Influences

[06:41-09:10]

• Danielle asks about writing songs from personal experience, referencing an apparent muse (“Did you ever write a song about Brittany Baxter?” – Danielle, [06:41])
• Isaac describes how, though life and relationships inspire songs, “the song has to be like, this is what it is.” ([07:54])
• They discuss his first song, “about hypocrites in the church,” revealing a theme of questioning authority from an early age.

Questioning Faith and Childhood Expectations

[09:10-11:09]

• Danielle recounts her own Catholic upbringing and early doubts—particularly, her blunt first confession (“I don’t have anything to confess… because I’ve already confessed to God.” – Danielle, [10:18])
• Isaac and Danielle bond over their mutual skepticism and the early realization that asking big questions starts young.

The Guitar That Started It All

[14:46-16:38]

• Danielle pivots into Joe/Isaac’s musical journey: when did he really connect as a songwriter?
• Isaac shares how moving from piano to guitar, specifically a “Franciscan” guitar, changed his process, making the instrument a collaborator more than a tool.
  • “When you find that one that you play and it just has this thing in it, you feel like there are songs in this, right?” – Isaac, [15:42]
• Regret over losing that guitar plays out as a nostalgic, almost comedic aside.
  • “Part of the body is sanded because I didn’t finish the sanding job. I just did half of it.” – Isaac, [16:33]

The Fray’s Hiatus and Reunion

[16:43-18:22]

• Discussion turns to the experience of having the band “end,” wrestling with identity, and ultimately deciding to reunite.
  • “You get tied into this identity… it really is your baby… and then you’re just wrestling with, like, I guess I’m done with that.” – Isaac, [17:17]
• Returning to music after years away reinvigorated the band’s passion and sense of connection.

The Power of the Audience & Touring

[18:22-18:57]

• Isaac relishes touring anew, highlighting fan energy. The Fray’s crowds are so loud “our front of house guy… He’d be like, I couldn’t push it anymore. They were louder than the sound system. We can’t do it.” – Isaac, [18:44]
• Danielle marvels, “Nothing we can do when your fans are too loud.” ([18:55])

Desert Island Music

[19:01-19:29]

• Danielle asks which band Joe/Isaac would listen to exclusively for life. Without hesitation:
  • “Radiohead. Creep was… it was Smells Like Teen Spirit and then Creep… I’m not alone.” – Isaac, [19:14-19:24]
• Music’s unique power to make us feel less alone is a core touchstone.

The Search for Meaning & Connection

[19:38-20:17]

• Isaac reflects on the way songs act as mirrors for listeners:
  • “That’s what’s beautiful about music. It just helps you feel less alone… If there’s something in this record that they can see themselves in… that’s me.” – Isaac, [19:38-20:17]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “She was trying to make him jealous right there. She’s like, you may have been the first, but you were not my last.” – Danielle, on Jeanette’s story, [06:16]
• “Every song’s about Brittany Baxter. Let’s just be honest.” – Isaac, joking about songwriting, [06:46]
• “So when I force my stuff on it, it usually doesn’t work. It’s just like, the song has to be like, this is what it is.” – Isaac, [07:54]
• “You have to [confess], otherwise, I don’t know, bad things happen.” – Danielle, poking fun at Catholic guilt, [09:22]
• “Help me find this Franciscan.” – Isaac, launching a possible social media guitar search, [16:30]
• “They were louder than the sound system!” – Isaac, on fans, [18:51]
• “Radiohead… Creep… I’m not comfortable in my own skin.” – Isaac, linking formative music to forming identity, [19:14-19:29]
• “If there’s something in this record that they can see themselves in… that’s me.” – Isaac, [20:14]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:31] Listener embarrassing first kiss story
• [06:41] Danielle asks about real-life inspirations for songs
• [07:16] Isaac on how songs materialize, the idiom of songwriting
• [09:10] Danielle’s confession story, questioning faith as a child
• [14:46] Danielle asks about connecting as a songwriter/guitar player
• [16:30] Isaac’s tale of the lost Franciscan guitar
• [16:43] The Fray’s post-hiatus reunion and creative renewal
• [18:22] Tour stories—fans louder than the system!
• [19:01] Desert island band: Radiohead
• [19:38] Music’s power to help listeners see themselves
• [20:14] Hopes for connection in the new album, “A Light That Waits”

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Closing Thoughts

This episode blends humor, nostalgia, and real talk about growing up, creative evolution, losing—and regaining—one’s artistic drive, and the unique solace music offers fans and artists alike. Danielle’s relatable curiosity and Isaac’s openness make for a warm and resonant conversation—one that speaks directly to anyone navigating awkward formative moments or searching for connection through art.

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The Fray’s newest album, “A Light That Waits,” is available now. Tour info at thefray.com.

Transcript

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[Jeanette (Caller)]

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[Danielle Fishel]

So I ask my listeners to send in their own embarrassing stories from childhood in hopes that we can all connect spiritually and understand that shame is the center of our universe. And so this week we hear from Jeanette, who has a story all about her first kiss and the misjudgment she made about it.

[Jeanette (Caller)]

Hi, Danielle. This is Jeanette from Baltimore. And this is the story of my first kiss. So just to set the stage, I'm 14. I had never been kissed before, but boy, was I excited and ready. And I had this inkling that a boy at my church, in my Sunday school class, had maybe was interested in me because he had started to brush his foot up against mine. And I kind of knew that it wasn't an accidental. It was like almost like playing footsies. So I had an idea and we had this big, like, celebratory event at church. Everybody got dressed up and the teenagers we were supposed to be helping and. But basically that just meant we were like supposed to be directing people into the celebration. But we just kind of stood there and talked like teenagers do. And somehow it wound up just being the two of us. We were sitting in this alcove and he kissed me. However, he came at me with his mouth open, wide open, and proceeded to keep his mouth open for the whole time. And it was probably the most uncomfortable five minutes of my life. But I was excited because I had my first kiss. And in my mind that meant I had my first boyfriend. And so I was excited. Everything seemed great the next day because this was a Saturday. The next day we went to church and he ignored me, pretended I wasn't there. But I still. In my mind, I was very confused because in my mind we had kissed. So we were boyfriend and girlfriend. So a couple days went by and me being confused, I decided to call him. We did not have cell phones. So I called him on his landline, asked for him, because I had to talk to his mother first, and then asked him what was happening. And he told me we were not, in fact, boyfriend and girlfriend. So that was the story of my very disappointing first kiss. Thankfully, I've had many, many much better kisses since then, but that one was certainly memorable. I hope you guys have a great day.

[Danielle Fishel]

She was trying to make him jealous right there. She's like, you may have been the first, but you were not my last. They've been so good. They've been so good since then.

[Isaac Slade]

And their mouths were closed.

[Danielle Fishel]

Closed mouth kisses. Oh, boy. I mean, this guy sounds like a big jerk. Not gonna lie.

[Isaac Slade]

Yeah, well, the open mouth thing just doesn't work.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's not? No. You also don't go at someone with

[Isaac Slade]

feel even if you have banaka spray, you know, it's not gonna work.

[Danielle Fishel]

Did you ever write a song about Brittany Baxter?

[Isaac Slade]

Oh, every song's about Brittany Baxter. Let's just be honest.

[Danielle Fishel]

Never gotten over, Never moved on.

[Isaac Slade]

Yeah, that's. That's why I didn't want to be in a Christian band. There's. There's no JPMs and too many girls to write how I feel about Brittany Baxter.

[Danielle Fishel]

Did you ever write a song about a girlfriend, or is that how it works? I've never written a song, so I assume they're like, hey, this is about this very specific thing. But I sense that that's probably not what it's.

[Isaac Slade]

You know, I mean, certainly life influences, you know, art and songs, you know, it's not necessarily. Usually about a specific person, although it can inspire things. So certainly, you know. Because it's true. Yeah. You know, but there's also lyrics in there that just want to be that lyric. So at the end of the day, while it's inspired maybe by a relationship or loss of somebody, it's about serving the song at the end of the day, and it needs to be the lyric that it wants to be instead of.

[Danielle Fishel]

It's like taking action. Yeah.

[Isaac Slade]

So when I force my stuff on it, it usually doesn't work. It's just like, the song has to be like, this is what it is.

[Danielle Fishel]

What were your first few songs about? Questioning. You were talking about questioning.

[Isaac Slade]

Questioning. Yeah. The first song I wrote was called.

[Podcast Announcer]

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[Isaac Slade]

What was it called? The course was about, like, psychics, shrinks, and hypocrites, and it was about hypocrites in the church.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Isaac Slade]

When the only way to change is to turn your life around. It was the Hook.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. Yeah, yeah.

[Isaac Slade]

Like, I think, yeah, it was okay. Now it's coming back. It's like many, many ask for answers, answers from psychic shrinks and hypocrites, but when the only way to change is to turn your life around. So I was still a little bit confused with the. With. With the, like, the Christian thing.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yes.

[Isaac Slade]

And also, like, not, like, needing to provide an answer.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Isaac Slade]

Something.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Isaac Slade]

But I was also starting to question, like, started young. Hypocrites. Like, he says something. He's saying this, but he's living differently. Like, what? Like, this ain't real. And so, yeah, that was the first song I wrote.

[Danielle Fishel]

So I was raised Catholic until I was about 10, and we stopped going to the Catholic Church when. Well, for one thing, both my parents were raised Catholic. So then when they had my brother and I, they were like, this is what you have to do. But neither of them really loved being in the church either. But they felt like, you know, you have to. Otherwise, I don't know, bad things happen. And so they were forcing us to go. And my brother and I would complain every single week why we don't have to do this. And they're like, we have to. There's donuts after. And that at least got me through at least my youth. But then when I had my first Holy Communion, and after you take your communion, you have to go confess. And I had been through catechism. I had been to CCD class every Wednesday. And then I go in there, and they're like, what do you have to confess? And I said, I don't have anything to confess. And they said, of course you do, because we all sin. And so, of course, what have you sinned? And I was like,

[Isaac Slade]

did you make up something?

[Danielle Fishel]

I did. I made up that I had been mean to my brother.

[Isaac Slade]

And then did you confess that you just lied?

[Danielle Fishel]

No, but they suspected I had made it up. So they said, did you just make that up? And I said, yes. And they said, why don't you. Why are. Why would you not confess? And I said, because I've already confessed to God. And they were furious. That goes against every. What you've been in class. What. What is. How did you just get your first Holy Communion when you think you can bypass us? And so my parents got a pretty angry phone call, and my mom was like, that's it? Yeah, we are not going anymore, for sure.

[Isaac Slade]

So, yeah, that.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Isaac Slade]

They do.

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[Danielle Fishel]

When do you think you really started to connect as a songwriter? Was it after, right after the guitar? Or do you think the. You really connected as a songwriter a little later?

[Isaac Slade]

Yeah, it was after the guitar.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Isaac Slade]

Yeah, it was after the guitar. Yeah. Just because it became the tool in order to write.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Isaac Slade]

Because I've never. It was. My intention was I didn't want to. I didn't gravitate towards becoming a shredder.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Isaac Slade]

Or like I'm going to be the best guitar player in the world. That wasn't my goal.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Isaac Slade]

The guitar I love playing, but it was more in service of a song. And, and, and musicians know this, but you, you know, you can pick up, you pick up a, you know, an instrument, say you're looking for a new instrument and you, you pick one up and you play. It's like, ah, it doesn't feel right. And you pick up another one and they play. And when you find that one that you play and it just has this thing in it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Isaac Slade]

You feel like there are songs, like there are songs in this, right? Oh yeah. And so the Franciscan had songs in it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Totally. Do you still have the Franciscan?

[Isaac Slade]

I don't. And I'm so mad at myself that I like, I don't know what happened to it. I think I sanded it to try to make it look cooler. And then I think like by the time I was in end of high school, I had like a Takamini and I was like, oh, this one's so much cooler than my Franciscan. And I got rid of it. And I'm so ished. I had that guitar. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

I wonder if there's any sort of identifiable track, like, if you could. If you put out the word, like, I gave this guitar away. If there's, like, some identifying characteristic, we could get it back for you. I feel like, you know, TikTok can find anyone.

[Isaac Slade]

Help me find this Franciscan.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah, find the Franciscan.

[Isaac Slade]

Part of the body is sanded because I didn't finish the sand sanding job. I just did, like, half of it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Just did half of it.

[Isaac Slade]

I gave up.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. And where. Where were you when you, like, where did you get rid of it?

[Isaac Slade]

In Denver.

[Danielle Fishel]

In Denver.

[Isaac Slade]

Yeah. We'll see. I mean, listen, if we can get that Franciscan. Oh, we have Frey record number six in about two weeks.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Danielle Fishel]

I love it. Okay, my last question for you. What are you looking forward to most for this upcoming tour? Is it still really fun?

[Isaac Slade]

It's a blast. It really is. I don't take it for granted, you know, because we did go away for a while. Like, it was over. We ended and, you know, that was a whole journey in itself. And felt lost for years of just not knowing, like, who I was and what I'm doing, because you get tied into this identity and it really is your baby and it's part of you and it's your story. And so then you're just wrestling with, like, what. I guess I'm done with that. And then, you know, when we decided that, you know, the three of us decided, like, do we love this? Do we want to do this? Do we believe in it? Do we have more to say? And, you know, once we answered those questions, it was like, yep, okay, let's go. Let's. Let's jump in. And we just, you know, we started with an EP just to, like, almost prove it to ourselves that we could. We could do this.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Isaac Slade]

And that EP was more so, like, reconnecting us with fans because we had been gone for six years, seven years at that point. Like, not active.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right, Right.

[Isaac Slade]

Maybe a couple shows a year, but not anything new. And then, you know, this record was. Was just like this beautiful new harmony with the. With the guys, the three of us, just like this, like, new collaboration that had always been there.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Isaac Slade]

You know, like, we were talking about the beginning. It had always been there. We just didn't know it until 20 years into it.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow.

[Isaac Slade]

That the three of us were going to be writing this story and. And it's so much fun. And night after night, these fans are. We have the best fan, like, it is so fun. And they come out and they are, like, singing.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Isaac Slade]

They know every word.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Isaac Slade]

Then the sound systems. Like our front of house guy.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Isaac Slade]

That controls the sound and mixes our sound. He. After shows, he'd be like, I. I couldn't push it anymore.

[Podcast Announcer]

Sorry.

[Danielle Fishel]

I tried.

[Isaac Slade]

They were louder than the sound system. We can't do it.

[Danielle Fishel]

Nothing we can do. When your fans are too loud.

[Isaac Slade]

So they just want to sing it out. And I love it.

[Danielle Fishel]

That is so great. I lied. I have one more question. If you had to only listen to one band for the rest of your life, you could only listen to one band.

[Isaac Slade]

Radiohead.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. So easy for you.

[Isaac Slade]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Isaac Slade]

Radiohead. Yeah. Creep was. You know, it was. It was Smells Like Teen Spirit and then Creep.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay.

[Isaac Slade]

You know, when I heard Creep, it was also just like, I'm not alone.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Isaac Slade]

He knows how I feel. Right. I'm not comfortable in my own skin.

[Danielle Fishel]

Right.

[Jeanette (Caller)]

Right.

[Isaac Slade]

I don't belong to the. I don't fit in the church. I don't like what's going on. So it was, you know, it, like, helped me make sense of myself.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Isaac Slade]

You know, and I think that's what's beautiful about music. It just, like, helps you feel less alone.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yep.

[Isaac Slade]

It, like, you know, you can see yourself in it, and when you hear a song, you know, for the first time and it grabs you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Isaac Slade]

That's the best. That's the best feeling. That's what we live for. You don't even know that you live for that, but when you. When it grabs you and it's just yours, like. And that's what I hope for in this. In this. This new record is like, you know, if there's one song or that, you know, fans, if there's something in this record that they can see themselves in.

[Danielle Fishel]

Yeah.

[Isaac Slade]

And they. And they. They say, yes, that's. That's me.

[Danielle Fishel]

That is beautiful. Thank you so much for being here. The Fray's newest album, A Light that Waits, is available now. Go to thefray.com to see all the upcoming dates for their Summer of Light tour alongside Dashboard Confessional. It will be coming to a town near you. Thank you so much for spending your time with me today, Jill.

[Isaac Slade]

Absolutely. It was a wonderful conversation.

[Danielle Fishel]

I really enjoyed talking with you. Thank you. And thank you because I have been a big fan for many, many years.

[Isaac Slade]

Well, come out.

[Danielle Fishel]

I will.

[Isaac Slade]

And I won't talk to you.

[Danielle Fishel]

Okay. Perfect.

[Isaac Slade]

Because I'm antisocial.

[Bowen Yang]

Perfect.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'll just wave.

[Isaac Slade]

Yeah.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'll see you in Denver.

[Isaac Slade]

Okay. Perfect.

[Danielle Fishel]

I'll come to Denver. I'm gonna. Because I'm still gonna look for the Franciscan.

[Isaac Slade]

Come to Denver. But pre tour we can if you wanna come hang with Chris and I. We'll have a nice dinner.

[Danielle Fishel]

Perfect. Early, early dinner.

[Isaac Slade]

Early dinner.

[Danielle Fishel]

I like to eat around 5. 5.

[Isaac Slade]

Thanks for having me.

[Danielle Fishel]

Thank you for being here.

[Isaac Slade]

Yeah, for sure.

[Danielle Fishel]

Teen Beat is an iHeart podcast produced and hosted by Danielle Fishel, executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman, executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor Tara Subaksh. The theme song is by Mark Hoppus. Yes, that Mark Hoppus. Follow us on Instagram teenbeatpod.

[Isaac Slade]

I'm U.S. transportation Secretary Sean Duffy. We all get distracted when we drive, whether it's from our phones or kids in the backseat bickering. But how we handle these distractions can be a matter of life or death. Before you get on the road for your next road trip, please put your phones on silent and take a mental note to focus on driving. Paid for by nhtsa.

[Danielle Fishel]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Isaac Slade]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Danielle Fishel]

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