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This is an iHeart podcast. Time is precious and so are our pets. So time with our pets is extra precious. That's why we started Dutch. Dutch provides 24. 7 access to licensed vets with unlimited virtual visits and follow ups for up to five pets. You can message a vet at any time and schedule a video visit the same day. Our vets can even prescribe medication for many ailments and shipping is always free. With Dutch, you'll get more time with your pets and year round peace of mind when it comes to their vet care. I'm Eva Longoria. And I'm Maite Gomez Rejan. And this week on our podcast Hungry for History, we talk oysters. Plus the Miami chief stops by. If you are not an oyster lover, don't even talk to me. Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells to vote politicians into exile. So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster. No way. Bring back the ostricon. Listen to Hungry for history on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. You know the shade is always shadiest right here. Season six of the podcast Reasonably Shady with Gisele Bryant and Robyn Dixon is here dropping every Monday as two of the founding members of the Real Housewives Potomac. We're giving you all the laughs, drama and reality news you can handle. And you know, we don't hold back. So come be reasonable or shady with us each and every Monday. Listen to Reasonably Shady from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Jonathan Goldstein and on the new season of Heavyweight. And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a joke. A man who robbed a bank when he was 14 years old and a centenarian rediscovers a love lost 80 years ago. How can 101-year-old woman fall in love again? Listen to Heavyweight on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Thanksgiving isn't just about food. It's a day for us to show up for one another. It's okay not to be okay sometimes and be able to build strength and love within each other. I'm Eliakhani, host of the podcast Family Therapy, a series where real families come together to heal and find hope. I've always wanted us to have therapy, so this is such a beautiful opportunity. Listen to season two of Family Therapy every Wednesday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or Wherever you get your podcasts. And now, welcome to the ballroom in the fourth judge's chair, it's Shaa Burgess. What's up, everybody? And welcome back to another episode of Shana Burgess in the fourth chair. I am Shaa Burgess. I am still recovering from the emotional night that was the 20th anniversary of Dancing with the Stars. 20 years of the most incredible show. Nearly 15 years of my own life. 17 seasons, I think it was. I want to say 13 partners. Someone come in the comments and correct me. It was a wild night. So seeing people that I have known for so long, that I haven't seen for so long, the after party, let me tell you, I wish you could all have been in the room to just see the magic of the years of history, of the people that have worked on this show that have brought it to life. The speech by Conrad Green. He is. He is the magic. You know, he brought it back. He's brought it back to life, bigger and better than ever, while keeping the nostalgia of what we were all those years ago. And he's just so wonderful. And the acknowledgment that he had for everyone that's been on the show, it was really special. That's why he's an incredible leader. Obviously, Dina Katz as well, being an incredible casting director and executive producer on the show. The whole team is wonderful. And to be there and be a part of it was a really emotional experience. I. Let me tell you. Okay, the opening number, let's get stuck into that. First of all, Derek Huff. What a wonderful and incredible piece. So nuanced with the layers and the way that he rearranged the Dancing with the Stars theme song, the layers of having something so incredibly traditional with our original six that came out. Original six. Oh, my God. All the feels, all the nostalgia, the moves that they were doing to then come down onto the floor with something that is a bit more modern and now. And where Dancing with the Stars has evolved to, that has involved commercial dance. Then, oh, my God, my heartstrings. When we come into the Walt section with a little bit of Moon River Sampled, which was our Len Goodman's favorite song, and the single spotlight on his chair. Stop it. I'm gonna get emotional again. Then to see. Oh, the dancers spin towards the stage, and that stage open with this angel, heaven light, and Tom Bergeron walk out. I can still barely control my emotions in thinking about it. It was so spectacular in having him back in the ballroom, having his voice in the ballroom. That sound of him. He is the sound of dancing with the stars, he always will be. It does not mean that I don't absolutely love and I'm obsessed with Alfonso and Julianne, but that's where I started, you know, Tom was the begin. He's the og just like those pros, just like our original three judges, just like Len Goodman. So I am deep in my feels today. I also got in my fields with some of the numbers too. Everyone was spectacular. I thought it was the most incredible night. We did see Andy go home, which obviously was his time, but no one really knew. The buzz in the audience was like, who's it going to be? Cuz no one really knew if it was going to be Andy or not. But we did end up with Andy going home. It look, all in all, it an incredible, incredible night. I honestly can't even put it to words. I'm still processing and recovering from the emotion and the beauty of it all and the love that was in that room. But before I ramble on too long for you all about my own feels, let's just get straight into the couples. We start off with Elaine and Alan, and they were doing a salsa. We'll go right into what the judges said. So Tom, being a personal friend of Elaine, came right out with his microphone, trying to be all stoic, and then he just jumped up and down and said that it was really, really good and gave her a cuddle. I must say, by the way, having Tom as a judge before we even move forward, I thought he was wonderful. You know, I thought he was really aligned with where the dancers were, what the judges saw. And again, just having his magic be out there, I love the things he said. And it was. It was wonderful having him there. So definitely a beautiful move by Dancing with the Stars. And Tom, to have him in that chair. Bruno said it was quality, it was special. And she is like the best. Champagne always goes down a treat. Carrie Ann said that she. When she looks at her, she sees resilience, you know, and. And two weeks ago, she could barely even dance, and now she's out there just kicking booty, I think, were her words. And that is true. Like, Elaine is not letting this injury stop her. I don't know if we're gonna really know how much pain she's actually in. She just refuses to give in. And that is like. I think I've said this on another episode. That era of dancer that Carrie Anne comes from, and maybe why she sees that resilience in her and where Elaine was when she was beginning her career, that's like the Chorus line, eat nails. You know your feet are bleeding. We don't care. No time for a break. Like it dances. We are brutal. We are beasts. And the things that we can push through is unbelievable to our detriment sometimes, and I hope it's not to Elaine's detriment. That's not what I'm saying. But you can see she has that grit in her, that absolute fire of never give up. Not. Not gonna let this stop me. And I so love seeing in that. In her. Derek said she is a salsa queen and called out the continuous spins and then said, this is the quarterfinals. And that's all I'm going to say. I don't entirely know what he meant by that. Maybe he's saying, this is, we're heading into the quarterfinals and the pressure is on, or we got to up the ante or you're straight in. I couldn't decipher what he really thought of that. Let me know your thoughts in the comments. But going back to these continuous spins, so now these are incredibly hard. What she was doing was a spin after spin after spin where she has to spot Alan in the middle of her. Her. Her, like, turning. He is the access point, basically, and she is turning around that. So not only is she spinning, she's also spinning in a circle. And Allan is leading. Now, this is no easy thing, even if Allan is leading it. You have to be so solid on your spot. I know pro dancers that can't do that. You know, it takes a hot minute to figure it out. And it was very, very impressive. I thought she had really wonderful fast footwork. I thought that she really, like, nailed the character. She had a little rhythm in her body, though. I could have gone for a little bit more, especially because we couldn't necessarily do big tricks. I love that they got some tricks in there, but a little bit more like rhythm and flavor in her body, I think, would have picked it up just a touch. I know we have metal in our feet, so we can't necessarily stretch our feet all the way that we want to, but I did feel that the legs were not as stretched as they could have been on some of the tricks. So I would have loved to have seen that a bit more from her. And I felt like, you know, it's really hard for them. Going first. There was just this massive emotional piece that is like a culmination of all the Dancing with the Stars has been for the last 20 years. And then they have to come out, and not only are they not doing an emotional piece they're doing a salsa, which a salsa can sometimes feel like cha cha. A little bit monotonous and a little bit the little bit same same. And I'm not saying that they were, but I can see how it didn't necessarily feel like her greatest dance, even though she was moving really well because of just the placement of it. And I think anyone would have had that, you know, coming after the opening number in the moment that we were in. But I also don't know that it was her best dance. So for me, the judges ended up on a nine. Nine, nine, nine. I was actually very aligned with that. She still moved really well. Her feet were tidy and fast and clean. Her lines were beautiful. There was a lot to love in this dance, but for me, it didn't reach a 10 because I did want those legs to be stretched out a little bit more. And I don't know that it was as dynamic as I would have loved for it to be. So I don't know what I'm really asking from it. Choreographically, is it that, or is it just musicality? But it was just a little bit flatter than I wanted it to be for her. But they have survived. They are in the next week. Alan and Elaine's journey so far has been wonderful. I do love watching her. I fully agree with Carrie Anne on the resilience of her, and I really do hope that we see her in the finals. However, I'm worried, you know, I'm worried it's gonna. Be. Well, who knows who it's gonna be? Well, let's come back to speculations at the end of the episode, but it's going to be tight to see who's going to be in that final, and I'm unsure at the moment if it's a four or five couple final, but yes. So I ended up at a nine, and the judges all gave it a nine. We were aligned. Moving into. Good Lord, this one made me emotional, you guys. Robert and Whitney doing their foxtrot. Oh, now, can I just say, first of all, in the room, I could have nearly given damn near anyone a 10. Like, it was. It was. The energy and the emotion in the room was absolutely spectacular. I've seen some people commenting on scores not being what they thought. I totally feel you may be watching it at home. You've got to understand how it felt in the room, and so just know that. So that'll make sense when we get into the scores on this one, because I've had the opportunity to now watch it from My computer instead of sitting in the room. So let's get into what the judges said first. Bruno said it was a poetic tribute that touched all of us. He couldn't take his eyes off of him. And not only does have he have the royal seal of approval, I think he said he has the people's seal of approval, which, look, I think that's a given. And I agree with all of that. It was a beautiful poetic tribute. And I think Whitney did a fantastic job at the choreography and the storytelling. Oh, my God. And the tying in of Bindy at the end. I can't. I will get emotional again. Carrie Anne said, well, we all saw that foot off the ground, but some moments can change the way that we do things, meaning the way that she does things. She's so proud of him. He's gone from this really charismatic guy that we saw with that jive in week one into this storytelling dancer with an open heart. And then she said, who cares about lifts? I actually love this from Carrion. Now, normally I would want consistency across the board, right? And I get that. And I look, would I make the same choice? I don't know. But I love that Carrie Ann showed this other, like, human side of her where this trick that was an accident that the lift came off. They didn't mean to do it. It was a swing in momentum and her foot swung off the floor. Sometimes those are really hard to keep your feet on the ground. They weren't trying to do a lift, so it wasn't a blatant break of the rules. I think having her come out and be like, you know, some moments can change the way we do things, because that touched her so deeply. I respect that, actually. And I. I love that because there truly was something about this dance that was as special as. As when, you know, Bindi danced to it and tying it all in. And it was a real moment. Derek said, emotional in his feels, made me emotional. So proud to be a part of the Irwin story. His father lived life with enthusiasm, and Robert is this generation's version of that. And he's not just walking through the path or the footsteps, he's dancing through it. I thought it was beautifully said by Derek. You know, I know we're in a dance competition. I know this is Dancing with the Stars, and I know that sometimes you guys want critiques, but there are some moments that get to just be artistry. And I feel like this was artistry. Tom said that he's called him a star, basically. So in the room, let me be fully Transparent in the room. I was sobbing. Damn near ugly crying, actually. I was ugly crying because of the footage that came up on the floor and watching him drop to a knee. Like the footage of him and his dad and Bindi when they're babies. Stop it. I'm gonna cry again now. And it was just. It was beautiful. It was beautifully done. It was musical. He had this flow and rhythm in his body. Like, it was wonderful. So I absolutely see how 410 paddles got held up now as I get back to go and watch it from my home. Sitting and looking at my computer and trying to remove myself and just look at dance from a different angle. I can see there are certain little things in there. What I. Where I could go. Maybe that's on the lower end of a 10, because let's remember we have 10 points. So point has a spectrum or a higher end of a 9. So my actual notes that I've written down now after having watched it back are texture in the arms. Beautiful. So much texture, so much emotion coming through them. You could feel that he was making this real for himself. And I loved that. I took lovely rise and fall. Sometimes a little bit poppy, not as smooth with the drive, but really lovely rise and fall. And not only did he have rise and fall, he had had sway in his ribs. Sway, if you remember, is what we've talked about when your rib cage yawns, not by bending one side, but by lifting and giving air into the rib cage on the opposite side. That gives us a beautiful tilt in our shape without breaking the one side of us. I feel like he did beautifully in that while doing the rise and fall. So it gave just a lovely motion to this foxtrot. I also really felt that his frame was nice and his footwork was actually pretty clean. He didn't feel as flat footed. His heels and toe rises and also heel rises and toe lowers were all really quite beautiful. He has this now, watching it back from the angles that in the camera, that he has this movement in his body that has like this almost a body roll effect. Almost like something is a little bit too exaggerated in the contraction and the texture in his body. So there were moments where I thought, oh, it. Not that it fully distorted, but it did just go a little bit too far. Like it almost collapsed and came back up. Better than having nothing. Absolutely. But I would pull that back just a touch. So it's a little bit more of a. A taste of it instead of it being such a whole big action. But I thought he did do really well, the emotion of it was just, just so beautiful. And then again, as I said, to see him hit that final moment of watching the footage of him and his, his dad and Bindi and Bindi coming in to bookend the way that Derek and Bindi did their freestyle, it was just really, really beautiful. So now in watching it back, sure, I could be more like a 9, 10, but I totally respect and see how the judges got to a 10, 10, 10, 10 I did in the room as well. I really think, guys that Robert is the one to beat at the moment. And here's why. We have other phenomenal dances, right? We have Whitney who has dance training. We have Alex who I believe had dance training previously and is doing a phenomenal job with Val and also has a big fan base. So I could be wrong here. It could be Alex's to take home too. But Robert reminds me of Joey in the sense of he is brilliant enough that you're like, oh my God, he's such a great dancer but he has enough imperfections like that little bit of an over exaggeration in the body action where you go, oh, but he's is not a dancer. So he is all the things that you want a Dancing with the Stars contestant to be tied with the Irwin family legacy, tied with his absolute genuine love of this experience and giving it everything and leaving his heart on the floor. It's kind of like the perfect contestant for Dancing with the Stars. We might be seeing Whitney get another mirror ball and I wouldn't be mad at it. I loved this dance. I loved it. It made me cry. I was so very proud of watching it and seeing Whitney, by the way, emotional in the sky by dogs. Whitney doesn't know that she's not emotional. She is absolutely. But you could see the bond between them and how proud she is because like she was getting emotional too. And I thought that was really beautiful to see. Wow. Well done, you guys. Okay, Getting into Andy and Emma doing a quick step. Carrie Ann said it is a privilege watching you show up week after week, even when it's hard, even when you don't know if it's going to be great. And the courage that he displays every week is just wonderful. He's turning into a dancer she mentioned and she's loved watching him grow. I think we can all echo that, you know, from, from Carrie Ann. It has been an absolute privilege and joy to watch Andy take to this floor, to watch him truly grow and come out of his shell even more and learn to dance and love this experience. Of it. And he's just spread joy naturally with who he is as a person. And again we go saying he is what this show has always been about. Someone that doesn't know how to do it, that might be a little uncomfortable doing it. That's getting out there and doing it anyway. That's getting out there and doing the thing that's hard in front of millions of people. And I'm so proud of Andy, too. I'm so very proud of Emma and her work this season. Derek said he's proud of him and he's doing it. He's like, you're doing it, man. And he called out the chassis moving along the floor and he had a great likeness to it to them. Like, I will agree with Derek there. There was the chassis are when feet go like side, close, side, right? You step side, close, side, change direction. Side, close, side, change direction. And so that you do a lot of those in quick step. And he was doing it, man. He was doing them on his toes. They had a lightness to them. He was really moving around that floor. I think the most steps we've seen him do all season. And I think he handled it as best he could. And we had Tom that said that commented on his own dance that I think Len saw one time, time. And he said that Len would have loved it. And Bruno said, you did it. It was quick and it had lots of steps. Okay. So my notes were, look, if we're getting into dance things, the frame was very down. We didn't have a proper frame. The elbows were down. There was lots of gapping. And then I just wrote, I love his performances. I love him. And he did a really nice chiming on the slow, quick, quick, slow. There was a little weaving step that they do where there's a play in timing. He did a great, A great job with that. And I was really impressed because sometimes timing has been an issue for him. There are a few out of sync issues, you know, but it's all in all, I think we watch Andy and take it in for the inspiration and the joy of it, which we also need on this show. Emma's choreography was brilliant with him. Brilliant the whole season. But I really love the way she handled the challenge of giving him so much content this week. And not only that, they had two dances, one of which she was not going to be in with him. Like, this was a crazy week for these guys. We have to take that into account too. The magic that they created under the pressure that they had for this week. All couples So I really am very, very proud of them. Now. The judges went a little higher, as you know, usual on Andy, than I would have. Carrie Ann went eight. Then we had 777 from our three men. I landed on a five. Five potentially could have been a four, but I had him at a five because there was a decent amount of content in there that he got going and he had a great lightness to his feet. You know, the five is not a reflection of how much I love watching them. You guys know that. It's just a reflection of what I saw technically on the floor. But I have been obsessed with Andy and Emma this season. I've been a fandy and I think we've talked at length about what if he went all the way? What if he won it? What do you know, what if? What if? Because he really is what the show's about that. But I think his journey came to an end at the perfect point. I think we got to see so much from him. And now we get to move forward into these next two weeks with the remaining couples who are all spectacular in their talent and dance and who knows where it's going to go. But Andy and Emma, I'm so proud of you. I've loved watching your work and you will be missed, but I've loved your journey. Time is precious, and so are our pets. So time with our pets is extra precious. That's why we started Dutch. Dutch provides 24. 7 access to licensed vets with unlimited virtual visits and follow ups for up to five pets. You can message a vet at any time and schedule a video visit the same day. Our vets can even prescribe medication for many ailments and shipping is always free. With Dutch, you'll get more time with your pet and year round peace of mind when it comes to their vet care. I'm Jonathan Goldstein, and on the new season of Heavyweight, I help a centenarian mend a broken heart. How can a 101-year-old woman fall in love again? And I help a man atone for an armed robbery he committed at 14 years old. And so I pointed the gun at him and said, this isn't a joke. And he got down. And I remember feeling kind of a surge of like, okay, this is power. Plus, my old friend Gregor and his brother try to solve my problems through hypnotism. We could give you a whole brand new thing where you're like, super charming all the time, being more able to look people in the eye, not always hide behind a microphone. Listen to heavyweight on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Eva Longoria. And I'm Maite Gomez Rajon. And on our podcast Hungry for History, we mix two of our favorite things, food and history. Ancient Athenians used to scratch names onto oyster shells and they called these ostracon to vote politicians into exile. So our word ostracize is related to the word oyster. No way. Bring back the ostrichon. And because we've got a very mi casa esucasa kind of vibe on our show, friends always stop by. Pretty much every entry into this side of the planet was through the El Golf of Mexico. El Golfo de Mexico, continua hacienda. Si. Forever and ever. It blows me away. How progressive of Mexico was in this moment. They had land reform, they had labor rights, they had education rights. Mustard seeds were so valuable to the ancient Egyptians that they used to place them in their tombs for the afterlife. Listen to Hungry for History as part of the My Cultura podcast network, available on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. It's okay not to be okay sometimes and be able to build strength and love within each other. Thanksgiving isn't just about food. It's a day for us to show up for one another. I'm Elliot Connie, host of the podcast Family Therapy, a series where real families come together to heal and find hope. What would be a clue that would be like? I've gotten lots of text messages from him. This one's from a little bit better of a version of him because he's feeding himself well. It's always a concern, like, are you eating well? He's actually an amazing cook. There was this one time where we had neighbors and I saved their dog and I ended up inviting them over for food. And that was, like, one of my proudest moments. This is family Therapy. Real families, real stories on a journey to heal together. Listen to season two of Family Therapy every Wednesday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. You know the shade is always shadiest right here. Season six of the podcast Reasonably Shady with Gisele Bryant and Robyn Dixon is here dropping every Monday as two of the founding members of the Real Housewives Potomac. We're giving you all the laughs, drama, and reality news you can handle. And, you know, we don't hold back. So come be reasonable or shady with us each and every Monday, I was going through a walk in my neighborhood out of the blue. I see this. This huge sign next to somebody's house. Okay? The sign says, my neighbor is a Karen. No way. I died laughing. I'm like, I have to know. You are lying. Humongous, y'. All. They had some time on their hands, right? Listen to Reasonably Shady from the Black Effect podcast network. Work on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. All right, moving into Dylan and Danny. You guys, I can't. This woman's core, the strength in her core makes me miss my dancer body. Like, good Lord, do I miss feeling that strong when I move. It has been a hot minute since I felt that strong. I have have absolute body envy, like, core strength envy of her. And it was just spectacular. That's not to take away from Dylan, right, And his strength and balance and what he was doing in this too. But Danny is just. She's otherworldly. You know what I mean? It's so great. Let's get into the judges first. Derek turned around and said one of Len's lines, Hold my gaze, and said, that was your breakthrough moment by a long shot. He has been the most surprising. The improvement has been astonishing. And complimented Danny on the choreography. I 100 agree. His improvement has been unreal. I would say, you know, we. We've seen him do so many things. He plateaued out a little bit there and then now we have this moment come out. It's really just wild to see. And the. The power and the strength he had in this, that it was. It was stoic, but not, you know, there was a beautiful chemistry between them. The way he led it was ridicul. We will get into that in a moment, but I love those comments from Derek because I agree the improvement in him has been astonishing. Tom's called him a leading man, which I agree. I think he said something like, your brother's the actor, but you're the leading man. Bruno said, you're not just dancing, you're starring. And you did it perfectly. Carrie Anne said his journey has been outstanding, compared his tango to Gilles Marini. Gilles, who danced with Peter for Argentine tango and says that he took the top spot. Now, this is for a male celebrity we're talking about, obviously not a female celebrity, because it is very, very different in that sense. I don't know. I've got to go back and watch. I remember Gilles and Peter being pretty spectacular. I'd have to go back and watch to fully comment on that, but it is a massive compliment coming from Carrie Ann. My notes, basically, first Thing I. I wrote when watching it back again was, holy crap, like. Which is exactly how I felt in the moment. I was like, I, like, clutched my pearls and gasped at the. Just the strength in her being parallel to the floor. And the whole little walking thing she did on the beat, on the music, it was just so beautiful and so well choreographed for him. For her, just really well done. Done. The chain. So let's talk about the steps that were in this. Okay, I know we're going to get into this because you're going to compare it to Whitney and Mark and how many things she did or how many things Mark did in comparison to Dylan. Like, yes, I get you. Is there more that Dylan could have done? More flourishes? Possibly. But what he. He did so much more than most male celebrities do. You have to take that in. Like, in the past, we've had Argentine tangos that are not really an Argentine tango. I've done some of them because it's just what you can do with the. Those. The point is those kicks, those flicks, those ganchos, those ochos, those links, those cicadas, they are not easy. They. It is not easy to keep it that smooth and that sharp. The movements were slick. The retractions on the. The flicking of the gantos and the ochos, like, it was just beautiful. Paired with the fact that when they're doing these steps very much in Argentine Tango, it's not that you independently kick, flick or move your leg. It is all a chain reaction. There's. There is specifically a step that they did in the beginning called the chain step. Now, as they were doing it and they were circling around the floor, the one person doesn't move their leg until the other person activates it by moving it. Go back and watch it. Like, both Whitney and Mark do this, and both. And Dylan and Danny do this. But they were doing it authentically. They weren't just pushing through the moves and muscling them themselves. They were waiting to be led and indicated to move, activated to move by their partner. Partner. Male and female do this for each other in Argentine tango. It would be like if you relate it to, say, a regular tango and they're in frame, but we're talking about there being lots of gapping and no following and no leading. Everything feels a bit disjointed. That's what Argentine tango really is. If what people aren't connecting the legs and the links and the things aren't flicking, that means they're just doing it independently. Danny and Dylan did this together. He Was leading her. If you watch the nuances of when his legs and his feet connect with her legs and feet, he is activating her and moving her. Now let's talk about the tricks that they did. Let me tell you, that double twist I've only pulled off with one other partner. I've tried this with other male pros, not necessarily on Dancing with the Stars here, but I've tried this with other professional male dancers and not nailed it. It is hard to keep consistent. This was a ballsy move. Insider information. Danny, let me know that they did not land it in the dress rehearsal. That lift, that double twist lift did not go on the dress rehearsal. And they nailed it, which is why they had that little cheeky smile with each other when they nailed it in the live show. Now, that is a risk that pays off. It was brilliant. I loved this routine, you guys. I loved it. What more would I want from it? Now, this was another one that in the moment, I was like 10 10s across the board. Give me a 10. Feening for a 10 them. I can see how some people would feel, especially when comparing the two of them, like Dylan to Whitney, who also got a 10. Why they feel that maybe Dylan got overscored. You have to understand how hard it is for him to do what he did. And the learning to lead. He had the beautiful a frame posture. His legs and feet were in the right positions. His feet were kissing the floor. He had nice closes. He was, for the most part, quite tight. Lady. It really was brilliant. Was his footwork as complicated as Whitney's? No, definitely not. He did do the tricks, which are incredibly complicated, and they would have had to spend a lot of time rehearsing those things. So you have to take that into account, too. But if I watch it back and I look at it, I still want to give it a 10. Let's remember, 10 is a spectrum. He would be on the lower end of a 10. Whitney would be on the higher end just simply because of her dance ability. But I can see how maybe you could have had a nine in there in just wanting more content from him doing more. Maybe in comparison, but at the night, you don't have the ability to compare. You just have to score it in the moment. And so I look, I'm on a 910 here because I got to watch it back the next day, but I really. In the room was a 10. You guys, you got to understand the way that that felt in the room and how much he actually did do that. Maybe you don't see it really was impressive. Massive. So, Dylan and Danny, I'm a huge fan. This was amazing. It was otherworldly. And, Danny, I want to have your core again. Damn it. I used to have that. Okay, let's move in to Jordan and Ezra. There's been a lot of chatter about this one as well on my socials and comment section. So let's get into it. Tom said that it got hot in the room. Let's turn the AC on. On. Bruno said called her a bad girl. Bruno is wild. The last person he called a bad girl was Andy's daughter. I think earlier this season, I was like, bruno, no. Naughty girl. He called her a naughty girl. I think it's the language thing. He doesn't realize sometimes, the way it comes across. He said, you brought sexy back. Then we go over to Carrie Anne. She said it was a really strong dance, but it was a little wild at times. And her shoulders are coming up in the turns now. This is true. Something that I really felt about Jordan while watching it was. Was couple. Couple things. And we'll get into that in a moment. But she was very out of the floor, so it felt like it was out of the floor, and it was a little stiffer than I wanted it to be. And everything felt like it was rising, which goes into the shoulders that Carrie Anne's talking about. They were sort of coming up. They were shortening her neck, and it didn't feel as lengthened as, say, her rumba. Right. And especially in her turns, they tend to come up, which is natural. Right. That your energy sort of goes and everything pulls up because you're turning where you have to think of the opposite of driving down into the ground. Driving and grounding yourself when turning. So. Or just in general with dancing. So I do agree with Carrie, and I felt it was a little out of the floor and the shoulders were a little high. And then Derek said he talked about the quality in her rumber and said that he saw it again tonight. He closed his eyes. He was going on about a bunch of things settling in her weight. The texture in her body was some of them. He said he loves those. Those things more than the tricks. I think he was really trying to point out to them that, well, this was my takeaway anyway. I don't want to put words into Derek's mouth, but this was my takeaway that just because you can do all the tricks and the things, it doesn't mean you have to do all the tricks and the things. She is a fantastic dancer and can do more Dancing than most. Right. So he loves it when he's seeing that texture and those technical things that we, as dancers geek out about. The little isms that are hard to teach. Just any regular celebrity that hasn't actually danced before, but someone like Jordan, who has such an awareness of her body, you can really get into those nuances and those things we really, really love to see. And he said that he saw it. Now, for me, what I felt. Let me start with saying that chacha is a really hard dance to have this late in the game. Chacha is monotonous. It always is. It's. And it's hard. It's a really hard technique to get strong. And it's got a monotonous rhythm to it. There are not many cha chas that I've absolutely loved Unless they've been super blended with, like, a commercial style, maybe even a group thing. But cha cha is that two, three, cha cha cha, two, three, cha cha cha. It just kind of lives in that world and doesn't get as dynamic as you want it to. Paired with the whole straight leg action, which can look really awkward on some people. And then, you know, unless you've got, like, Danny and Pasha doing a chacha or any of the pros doing a chacha, you sort of of lose the nuances of what it could have. It doesn't get as dynamic as it could because it feels a little repetitive. So I think we sort of fell into that a little bit with Jordan. I. Did she do a really good job? She did a great job. Is she a great dancer? She's a great dancer, but it was just missing something for me. I actually felt like she was not settling in her hips. So I think we've seen more texture from her in previous dances. This felt a little bit Barbie stick straight, which means that she's not settling into the hip. She's not working through the standing leg to actually create that distance with the foot to create power to move. It felt like it didn't have any power in it because it was so underneath itself, Making sure that legs would just stick straight. And so that then led to the hips being a little squared off and not as much movement in them, not as much movement in the body. The shoulders rising up. And then it just lost the gooeyness of what cha cha can have right in the box body. And I don't mean gooey as in, like, slow. I mean rhythm in the body. And so, unfortunately, I didn't love this one for Jordan, you know, and again, I think they're up against it hard with the dancing. I also felt like some of her lines that she was hitting, and this is a bit of a gymnast thing. Her arms were, like, way over, extending back, and then her back was arching with it. Kind of like when gymnasts finish a vault pass or a move or they come off the bars and they do that end pose. It sort of was reminiscent of that, which means it was lacking some rotation in her body. It means the arm was just going out back without the shoulder and the chest coming forward, the rib cage coming forward. So we were losing some of the stretch texture and dynamic, and it was just becoming a little bit gymnast, like, for me. So, I mean, moving forward, I would love to see her, if she. If she does have another Latin dance, like, really working into those hips, like, actually creating that connection with the floor, driving through the standing leg, getting that proper, true hip action of settling into to it. Isolation is what I'm looking for. It's going to give us more isolation in her body. The snowman that we've talked about before, where the three layers can move independently and in different directions. We need a little bit more of that from Jordan. Along with the pushing into the floor and getting grounded into her hips and her feet, using her feet a little bit more. It's still a high score for me. Like, I still have it at a nine because what she did do was great and musical, and she gave it a great performance. Performance. I don't know that it was necessarily that cheeky, flirty, sexy cha cha cha that we usually love, and that is the original essence and flavor that we go for in a chacha, but it definitely had a fierceness to it. Like, I love her fierceness when she gets into that, but I think we only saw that on the more commercial, like, strutted out Beyonce moves, not necessarily on her cha cha content. If I'm gonna be a hundred percent honest with you, I part of me even wanted to go an 8 on it just because I feel it fell flat. But I do think that was executed well. So I landed on a nine. Our judges landed on a nine. Ten, nine, nine. I'm very excited to see what they have come up next week. I think it's Argentine tango, which I bet you is going to be spectacular. So I can't wait to see that. Okay. Getting into Alex and Val. Let me tell you how this girl has made a fan out of me over the space of the season. Y' all know I was not that into it in the beginning. I was like, I. I'M not really connecting with her. I kind of need more. It was just kind of whatever. And now I consider me a fan. Let's get into the judges. So Bruno said, have I entered ballroom heaven? Yes, Lynn. This is how you do it. Basically said that she captured old Hollywood golden age, which absolutely she did in the way that she looked and moved and like, even the way she animated, which we'll get into. But I. I agree with this. I think it was beautifully done, beautifully choreographed, and really well executed. She looked gorgeous, too, by the way. Carrie Ann said that she agrees with Bruno, and she noticed that she is letting go, and that is really what the heart and soul of the show is, is just truly like, letting yourself be you out on there and showing everyone who you are. That vulnerability, which I love that she. She called that out, because I think that's also why I'm now a fan of her, that I feel like I'm actually seeing her instead of what she was trying to put forward or nervous about putting forward. We're really seeing a true, authentic Alex. And I love, love that she said there's so much elegance. The lines were smooth, smooth moves. She raved she loved it, basically. And then we have Derek that came up and said it was clean, it was classic, it was stylish, it was sophisticated, and that foxtrot was flawless. And then we went into Tom, who said it was goosebump inducing and said it was a chemistry class. Why I love that one from Tom is because I felt very early on in the season, there was zero chemistry between these guys, and I actually saw some of you guys saying that online too, and I found it really beautiful to acknowledge and also same. I agree. We get to see chemistry between them now. There's, like, a. A friendship that is bringing out this really beautiful chemistry on the floor because they're connected. They're doing it together. It's not two individual people. They're in this together. They're that team. God, that's some of the things that I love about Dancing with the Stars, seeing people connect and become a team. Like, you're watching a whole relationship develop and unfold, and it's just absolutely beautiful. Beautiful. So my very first thing that I wrote down was she is so animated, which is something we have been wanting from her to truly give it face. I do still think now, while I thought this was spectacular and I loved everything about it, and before I even say the rest of it, the judges gave it all tens, and I ended up giving it a 10 as well. I thought it was amazing. And again, 10 is a spectrum, but I do feel there is just that one thing now. Everything else was so great. Her arms were beautiful, the way she was using them and releasing her back and her neck the into. Into it. The way she would fold her hand over and then twist her wrist so it was the back of her palm going down. Then she'd twist it, and it was the front of her palm going down. Like, these are little nuances and things that you have to teach, and you may not necessarily notice, but that's like the little next level detail stuff. So much music and texture in her body and what she was doing, it was gorgeous. I loved her lines. I thought the frame was lovely. There is just still. Feel that gapping, man. There is just that little bit of gapping where really, really, really want her to get in and put her crutch on his leg. Like, you're supposed to put your vagina on the man's leg, and he's supposed to put his penis on the girl's leg. I don't know if I'm allowed to say that, but it is. We lovingly call it Vol and Dol because it is. It creates the idea that you are supposed to be locked, and that way you are connected low. You can push out up the top and create this frame, create the distance from each other. And so your ax point, your center point, your center of gravity together is connected and lower to the ground. And what I notice happen with Alex and Val every time is that it's more like their chests are together and their hips are away from each other, and we just needed to be the opposite. And I would love, love, love to see that happen before the end of the. The end of the season. However, it was a little better this week, and I think the choreography was really well designed around it. I thought the routine was beautiful. Let's remember it's an American smooth style. So open frame, changing frame, all of that. Good. But I just. It's just the one thing that's left, man. She's improved so much in, like, absolute leaps and bounds. But I very, very much want them to have this body contact going through to another ballroom dance, should they have it again. I've said this before. Val is an absolute beast. I've loved watching him create and work with her this season. I can imagine the pressure, knowing Val, that he's got on himself. All of the couples when you get to this point, by the way, the prize pros and the pressure that you're putting on yourself is Immense. You don't want to mess it up. You don't want to do the wrong steps. You don't want to. You. You want to take risks, but not too much. You just want to keep pushing, pushing, pushing, because, you know, especially these guys, it's anybody's game. And so it is stressful at this point in the competition, and they're all doing such a good job. Okay. Getting into the final couple's performance, we have Whitney and Mark doing their Argentine tango. We talked about at a little bit. Little bit in comparison to Dare to Dylan. But let's get into what the judges said. So Carrie Anne said she's a big fan of her. Whatever you do, I'll go watch it. Loved it. Nailed it. Such an incredible, passionate dance. And she stuck the landing. Thank you very much. I think that's because last week we didn't stick the landing. That was one of my things, too. She did stick the landing this week. Derek said the cicadas, the gun shows, the hooks, the. All the. All that choreography that we also talked about for Dylan, villain in spades in this one, and what she was producing and what she was doing, and some of the actual combinations, the difficulty level of being able to have the momentum to do those, and it's. It's off the charts. And so it was very, very impressive. There was absolute leading and following. They could not have done this type of routine and choreography together had they not been in those positions of leading and following. For the momentum to actually carry them across and do it. It was really, really great. He said it was dripping in silky smooth precision and control and elegance. It was filled with artistry and musicality and theatrics, and it just had it all. I think we can agree by now that Mark is always going to bring you some of the best musicality you're going to see. The way that he choreographs, the way that he hears music, the way that he makes you hear the music is what's so spectacular. Because you'll watch Mark's choreography. You go, oh, my God. There was a guitar strum, or there was a flute, or there was a piano key, or he added something because it just emphasizes what the move is, and it's so beautiful. That's one of the things that I learned watching him and Derek. The way that they use music and choreography is spectacular. And this was just another one. Another one of those moments where it emphasizes the music and the music emphasizes the dance, and it's so beautifully done. Tom said basically he was having A moment with his words. But he basically said you got to vote for him because it's true, right? Voting is happening in the night. They're doing this dance, but now they have immunity, which means they're not dancing again. So is it a good thing or is it a negative thing that you don't actually get to dance again because people aren't seeing you and everyone is putting their votes somewhere? So I thought that was cute of Tom to mention. Bruno said it was razor sharp. Focus, Sid Sharice. Leg work. Look up Sid Sharice, if you don't know, she says, had some of the best legs in the business. Best dancer or dance of tonight. I couldn't quite decipher what it was that he said. It was either you're the best dancer of the night or the best dance of the night. But I guess it comes back to the same sentence sentiment. Judges gave it a 10. 10. 10, 10. I gave it a 10. The only thing I felt that wasn't necessarily in there that I could have had more of was the seduction of it all. You know, they were talking in the package about the way Gabby and Val did it. And while I think they have a chemistry, I think for me, one of the things about Argentine tango. Argentine tango for me is just like pure sex. It is intimacy and intensity, and it's beautiful and it's sexy and sultry, and it's sometimes a power play between the man and woman, but a playful power play. It is just absolutely beautiful, and it's understated and it doesn't need to be aggressively sexy, but there's. There's something between them. I don't know if I actually got that from Whitney. I don't know. Like, I think there was connection, but I don't actually think it was as sultry as I would have loved it to have been. Now, me as a dancer, that was one of my jams, right? Like, I. This whole other Shana number two comes out on the dance floor, and I am sultry and sexy and sassy and sensual. It is like those parts of me just come out. And so maybe that's why I value that so much, especially in an Argentine tango. But I feel like I wanted just a touch more of that between them. But listen, on a technical level, on a performance level, she was still absolutely brilliant. Like, no notes, really, on what she did, did choreography, included everything. Amazing. And I still gave it a 10. But I wish that I could have seen just a little bit more sultriness in it. Like, that part of the actress in her coming out because she's so animated when it comes to the other things. Joyful, playful, goofy. But I would have loved to have seen just a little bit more like sex kitten in this one. That's just my personal opinion though. Time is precious and so are our pets. So time with our pets is extra precious. That's why we started Dutch. Dutch provides 24,7 access to licensed vets with unlimited virtual visits and follow ups for up to five pets. You can message a vet at any time and schedule a video visit the same day. Our vets can even prescribe medication for many ailments and shipping is always free. 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Listen to season two of Family Therapy every Wednesday on the Black Effect Podcast Network, iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So before we get into the the celebrity challenge, the the relay I think we called it, there was a judges package and I just want to like point out that how beautiful it was to see that package for you all to get an insight of what it's like to have to create that chemistry and balance on a judge's table. It's not Just that they put four people together or three people together and hope that they say good stuff. You know, they all have to work together as a team, so. So as Carrie Anne pointed out, if they're all saying the good things and there's some stuff left to critique, someone's got to say it. And I love that she's really taken on that role. You know, it's not a villain era thing, but she's like, you know what? I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna say the things. And I remember her saying in an interview, was it the podcast that sometimes she gets read a different way because she's a woman saying it and not a man saying it. Like, think we used to love Lynn for his grandma grumpiness, but now we're. We're, you know, saying all sort. Not where, but the online. God, there's been some hate online this season. God, we'll get back to that. But, you know, I loved that she shared that. It's like, well, not everyone can be nice. Someone's got to call out the stuff, and they have to work together in that. And you also have to remember that judging, yes, there is on technical aspects, but dance is also about your perspective on the judge's perspective on what they love, what they were looking at. So at some point, point, they've got to be looking at the technique and the intention and the character and the chemistry and the footwork, and are there any mistakes? And the hand placements and the, like, all sorts of things you have to cover. So at any given point, one judge may see something and another judge may not see it. So that's why you have multiple of them. So they can cross all boxes, I guess, tick all boxes. And so I. I think our three judges do an amazing job at that, and I'm incredibly proud of what they do every. Every, every week. And they certainly taught me so much when I was standing on the other side of that judge's table. And I take that information with me back to Australia and even sitting here. But I really appreciated that we got to have the judges package so you could all listen to a little bit of what goes into being a judge, because I think it's cool to understand that, okay, we get into this challenge that we had now, there's not that much to be said about it, really. There was only one couple that I felt was cool, close. I. I will say that I love the challenge. I think it's super fun. I think it's also very challenging. I think it's super Challenging for the people that you have no idea who you're going to get, how long it's been since that person danced. And now you have to make sure that they can. And you're going to have these. Now usually our celebrity, be it male or female, is pretty much heavily led by their partners. Partner and spoken to with our little languages and all those things that we come up with. Now you have another celebrity out there that is trying to do that job and it's tough. So we first we had Apollo and Jordan and we had Rashad and Elaine. Now I feel Apollo and Jordan had the stronger job. Apollo, by the way, wow, like took up frame and I said, okay, he just hasn't. Looks like he hasn't lost it. It was amazing. And I thought they did a really good job. I think they had a little slip up or a timing thing at some point, but nothing too crazy. Rashad and Elaine had some mess ups and there were some timing issues and there were some things. It felt a little bit rough for Elaine. And so that's one of the things where it's like that's not Elaine's fault, but that is just part of the challenge, you know. And I, I do like the challenge. I say we do it again. Maybe there's some variables that we can figure out. I don't know. But I, I do like it. I just think sometimes it's a bit of a. A. Do you call them lucky dips? What do you call them? We call where you dip into a bag and you take out a random thing and you don't know what it is. In Australia we call it a lucky dip. Potluck. Do you call it a potluck? Something like that. So I think there's some things that might feel inconsistent, but I also think it's fun and I love seeing these contestants come back and seeing how great they're doing. And I thought it was really cool. For me, definitely the winner was Apollo and Jordan as well. And you also have to take into the fact that the men were having to leave lead. These women are used to being led by men that know what they are doing and have been doing it their whole lives. And they had to follow these men. So I, I think we'd have to take our hats off to everyone in this challenge. They did a great job. Then we got into Andy and Caitlyn and Dylan and Rumor. I mean, look, no competition here really on who was going to win it. I thought Dylan and Rumor had fabulous chemistry, fabulous dancing. It was really great considering they Were both not professional dancers. Amazing rumor. Looks like she hasn't lost a beat. It was so good. It was so good catching up with her. And then we had Andy and Caitlin and I just wrote, bless, bless Caitlin. She was doing the most at getting Andy around that floor and having a great time doing it. But you can see now when Emma's not there and helping with that language that they've built and like how you can see that Emma is talking Andy through the whole routine. Usually that was Caitlyn's job. So I just want to point out how big of a thing that was for Caitlyn to go out there and do that. And she did such a wonderful job. When the shirt opened, I died in a great way. I absolutely loved it. And I thought it was a really fun way for us to remember Andy. You know, I thought it was really, really cool. And then we got into Robert and Sochi and Joey and Alex. Now this one was close and the people around me were like, I'm surprised it went that way. And other people were like, no, that was the right result. It really could have gone either way. I think Robert and Sochi was super cute. He had fabulous action. They both did fabulous jive action, kicks and flicks, lightness, nose over toes. Everything in that was really, really good. So I appreciated it. Joey and Alex, I thought it was cute and fun and it was really clean that it wasn't quite as dynamic. So I probably would have landed on the same one going for Robert and Sochi as the winners on that. So that is everybody. We saw Andy go home. We talked about that earlier. He had a beautiful run on the show. What a 20 year anniversary for Dancing with the Stars. I just have to say once again, like, what an honor it is to be a part of such an incredible show, to have this be a part of my life. Life. A couple of the things I got asked on the red carpet was, you know, how it changed my life or what's it done for me. And the. The truth of the matter is it shaped my life. You know, before I joined Dancing with the Stars, I genuinely thought I was going to be a world champion ballroom dancer. I own a dance studio in Wagga Wagga, Australia. And that's where I was going to live my life. Teaching dance and joining this show completely changed my world. Somehow I ended up in Hollywood on one of the greatest shows in television vision, getting to inspire people, dancing a world that I never thought that I could do. I found my love of performance and storytelling being here in Los Angeles, I met Brian. I had my baby. I've built my entire life. The magic that this show created in my life just continued through and built my life. And so to be there and to celebrate 20 years with everyone was really special and emotional. I do have to say, before we go there, there is. While this show has gotten so unbelievably popular in the last couple of years and I love that popularity, I love that we have new fans that were like Tom who, you know, we have a whole new generation of people that are coming in and you're getting to fall in love with this show that we've loved for so many years. And that's beautiful. It's. It's also not. And this is not about the young fans. This is about fans as a whole. It's complicated, you know, with this rise in social media presence and everybody talking about the show and everyone wanting to have a viral tik tok and everyone wanting to have a hot take as they call them, I find that there has been just a lot of negative feedback and thoughts. And I've said this before, you know, all opinions are welcome, but all words are not. And yes, this show is about public opinion and public vote and we should have that. And y' all should rally for your faith favorites. But the bullying has got to stop, man. The, the. The spreading hate and attacking people's as a person simply because they're a part of a dance show doing their absolute best, by the way. Something that is incredibly hard and a vulnerable experience only to be attacked for it. And I think this goes across the board for all the contestants and past contestants. It breaks my heart. I saw earlier today that my partner that I won with, Bobby Barnes Jones, said that he sent his mirror ball back to Dancing with the Stars because of the hate that he was getting. And I have no desire to get into the who said what's of all of that. But it does break my heart. You know, back when we won, we went through some of that and I certainly had my journey with how that win felt because of the negative feedback that we would get. But now it seems that everyone is getting it constantly and even he's getting more of it now. And we won six years of ago and I just think that my, my message is to just keep it kind, you know, keep it loving and nice and respectful. Everyone is doing the absolute best that they can. You have no idea what it takes to do their job. No, I'm not saying it's the hardest job on the planet, but it is. It is a job that you don't understand. So all you should be doing is having respect for it, whether you vote for it or not, but respect that people are giving it absolutely everything, their blood, sweat and tears. At this point, no one is going out there trying to do a job. You know, everyone is going out there giving it their absolute heart and soul and there is a lot that they don't have control over. And so what you have control over is your voice and what you have control over is your vote. So use it wisely and use it kindly. I'm sending you all so much love. Thank you for tuning into another episode with me and we will be back for two more episodes. I can't believe it is almost over. Over. What a ride this has been. And as always, thanks for hanging and I'll see you on the next one. Time is precious and so are our pets. So time with our pets is extra precious. That's why we started Dutch. Dutch provides 247 access to licensed vets with unlimited virtual visits and follow ups for up to five pets. You can message a vet at any time and schedule a video visit the same day. Our vets can even prescribe medication for many ailments and shipping is always free. With Dutch, you'll get more time with your pets and year round peace of mind when it comes to their vet care. I'm Eva Longoria. And I'm Ma and this week on our podcast Hungry for History, we talk oysters. Plus the MB stops by. 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