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What's up everybody? Welcome to the final episode of Sha Burgess in the fourth chair. I cannot believe we just had the finale of Dancing with the stars. It was 11 weeks this year. It was a jam packed season. It was an amazing season. The casting was on point. So, so incredible. And what a night it was. I was there. I wasn't in the ballroom. I stayed backstage cuz you can just see so much more. I wanted to see everybody but we have so much to get through, so let's just get stuck into it, shall we? We opened up with Alex and Val doing a samba. Carrie Anne said that is the way that you start the show. It had all of the content in it. She really has learned to develop her own style over the course of this season. So refined and fierce and that she performed the absolute heck out of it. So no real dance notes in there. But I absolutely agree. You know, I've said this before. I wasn't that big of a fan of Alex in the beginning. Feeling like it was very timid and I just wanted more and could see she was. She could do it. But it wasn't. And I think that's what we're saying here. She's developed her own style. She's now refined and fierce. You can really see that connection between her and Val. 100 agree with Carrie Ann's comments. Derek said it was so good. Such a hard dance to get. That proper rotation in. The Crusaders walks, the stationary walks, samba rolls. Really calling out some key technical steps there that are in our technique book that you want to get in. She really did do them well. I feel like we could have done more in the rotation but we'll get back to that. And then Bruno said it was incandescent. Always a great dancer, but now she is a performer and a star. So I love those comments from the judges. You can really tell, like we're the finale here and everyone has done such a great job. We're really trying to give everyone their flowers at the same time as giving them a critique. So I appreciate there was a lot of positivity in the night for me. However, I felt that she was fractionally back weighted at times which meant her hips felt like they were over her toes and and her head weight was behind her hips which made it feel once again like Val sort of moving her instead of her moving her. And I actually felt that we needed more hip rotation in there in those very specific Crusaders walk. So they're in a shadow position which is where they're both facing the same Way in an open shadow frame. And they're doing these walks. I think it was diagonally along the floor. Now, fringe pants is going to do a lot of the work for you. So maybe it masked it. Maybe it looked like it was there. But for me, in watching it, I actually felt like we could have had more rotation in the hips in those points and a couple of other ones in the samba steps, but. But I do feel like they had a good flow. They had a nice bounce action. Her arms and her lines. There was so much in it to love. I really did think it was fabulous from her, but there were those two key things that I felt were missing. The judges opened up with a perfect score. We gave it a 10, 10, 10. I ended up giving it a 9. Moving on to Dylan and Danny's first dance. They had a passa doble. Let's get into Bruno. He complimented the body. I'm pretty sure he was complimenting both Dylan's body, which is very beautifully sculpted, and also the shaping that he was doing in his body, because he then went on to say beautiful shapes, and he loved it. He was really blown away by this. I feel like he was quite surprised with how it came to. And maybe that's because he was in the room with them doing the work, and he probably didn't see the. The fruits of that labor until really in show night. And that might tell us a little bit about Dylan, right, that he really works his butt off throughout those rehearsals. And where it starts is so far from where it finishes a good way. And then we move into Carrie Ann, she said, how far you've come is absolutely incredible. Some of the shaping was great, but the hands were bugging her. We're going to get back to that. And Derek said his improvement is so incredible. He agreed with that. The knee walks were so powerful. Incredible shaping. Yes. It did need a bit more stretch. And really said to Danny that she's quite a moment maker, which absolutely is true for Danny. She creates incredible, memorable moments in her routines. So for me, listen, Paso is a tough dance. It can be. It really should be the man's dance. It is. You want to have that. That dominance, that alpha ness about you in this dance, that matador. I don't know that that is necessarily Dylan's energy. You know, he is. He is who he is. It's beautiful. He has his own type of masculinity, which Derek references later in the show. But on the technical side of things, I, I. The first thing that I wrote was that his arms don't develop. So what you notice, and I think this leads into the hands that Carrie Anne was talking about. The hands were sort of like paddles in the wind. And he would have the general shape of what was happening with his arm, and it would just sort of wave around instead of developing from somewhere to get there, which a gives it speed and more dynamics. And so that's why it's confusing when you watch him, because you're like, no, it's clean and it's placed, but they're sort of too placed and just moving around instead of developing into the shape and then developing out of it, which gives us, again, those dynamics. And so I really. I really felt that. I also felt that his elbows were too low, which was weakening our posture, which has been something for me, for him, through the whole season. And there was a moment in there where I wrote a big, shouty capital letter, okay. With an exclamation points. I'm gonna guess that that was the knee walks. I did feel that his feet were a little bit messy. I do think that he had fantastic passive posture, which is where we lift that center up higher more, aiming for pretending that our legs go all the way up to our sternum. This is when you really do want your hips over your toes, not your nose over your toes. So I felt like his passo posture was really great. You could see he really worked on that. But overall, I just felt that it was missing some of the attack. It felt a little bit slow, if I'm honest with you, for a passer double. And I really. I don't know if this has been a thing with his arms the whole season. It might have just dropped in and made sense for me about the fact that they're not developing. And that's why it's always felt a little bit soft. But for. For those things, it really stuck out as not his strongest dance to come out the gate with on the finale. So the judges gave it a nine. Nine. Bruno was wowed. He gave it a ten. I landed on an eight. Crossing right over into Elaine and Alan doing a rumba. Now, rumba is a hard dance to do in a finale. She is beautiful. She has beautiful quality of movement, so it could always have been a one for her. Let's see what the judges said first. So Derek said, you're an amazing dancer and performer. The triple turn into a fan. Lovely texture. She's had a beautiful season. Congratulated on their body of work. She has had a beautiful season. She's always had great texture in her Arms and in her emotion, in her body, in her chest. So I do agree with that. And her turns always been fabulous. She, like that has stuck with her from her dance background when she was younger. That never left her. Her turns, I think, have been better than anyone else's in the season. Really spectacular what they've been able to do with those. Bruno said she is pure class. A perfect balance of sensuality and elegance. It was the fluidity and the smoothness. It was like silk. A perfect interpretation of the rumba. Lovely comments. I do feel that it was a gorgeous balance of sensuality and elegance. She really bought who she is to it. Her, her. I don't mean maturity in age. I mean emotional maturity and groundedness. And just like beautiful. Seeing a grown woman doing a dance like this, you know, there's something that felt very real and natural for her, and I loved that. Carrie Ann said she's been waiting for this dance. For her, it's more than just steps. It's what you do with the in between is. It was. It was exquisite. And she thanked Alan for the choreography and giving Elaine that moment. Agreed. I think that sort of leads into what I just said about that grown womanness about her, you know, that she brought herself to it. It was really beautiful to watch her out there doing this dance. Now, getting into a technical standpoint, I know that we come up against things with Elaine in her body from her accident. And so again, I have to reiterate. I don't know if these things are fixable or not, but for me, the legs were not straight. And in rumba, we have a very, very prominent straight leg action. That foot has to develop the. The leg and the foot has to drag through. It pulls through, bent, and then it develops and slides through onto that straight leg, just like we do on Cha Cha, but it's slower. And you really, really, really want to see the development of that. The pushing the weight onto the foot, those two straight legs for as long as possible and then snapping them through again. So we missed the straight leg action in the rumba. And so because. And it also did feel that she wasn't settling into her hip. So we were missing some of that hip rotation and the snap. And I think you could see Derek sort of working on that a little bit in the start as far as the rotation, the hips getting that snap into it. But it just didn't land for me. It all felt a little bit squ square, lacking in the hip rotation, lacking in that straight leg action for a rumba. Now, when we Go up top and we look hips up. Spectacular. She is a spectacular performer. The texture in her was 10 plus plus. When you look up top, the movement, the. The energy, the emotion, the arms, the absolute texture and beauty that she had in it, flawless. But unfortunately for me, when I looked down and got into the floor, it just wasn't grounded and all those things that I mentioned before about the technical sides of it. So I felt like this was a hard dance for her. Now the judges gave it a 10, 10, 10. I was leaning in between an 8 and a 9, but I did land on a 9 because so much of it was beautiful. I know she can't use her feet the way that I would want her to because of the metal in them. And so I'm sure that played into the fact that she couldn't do some of the things I'm asking for with her legs, but I do need to see it, so. And there was so much else about it to love and that all those things considered. I landed on a nine for Elaine. Moving into Robert and Whitney doing a quick step. Derek said it was crisp, it was clean, the frame. This was strong. It was fantastic. And he congratulated Whitney on phenomenal choreography and the job that she's done this season. Bruno said the footwork was nimble and called the whole dance powerful. Carrie Anne said it was amazing. But she did call out the kip up timing for me. First thing, I was like, wow, what a routine. This was spectacular from Whitney. It was ballsy. It was. It really was a lot of content. And by content, I don't just mean specific to quick step content. It was changing rhythms. It was the floor work. It was. It was a very demanding routine. Now, did it suit Robert? Absolutely, because he's the greatest showman, honestly. His performance quality is unbelievable in what he delivers out on that floor. I felt personally, on the technical side of things. Yes, the kip up was a whole beat in half, basically, or a whole beat off to two beats. One beat. It depends on how you sort of count. Quick step. There was a couple things, so. Yes, yes, yes, yes. The kip up was off. We saw that that was a timing mistake. I felt that his frame was sometimes really, really good. Really good in the way that Derek had worked on it and him, like, stretching out into his window. And then other times when we're going into the pivots or other things that would rotate that left elbow that was pushing forward and it was just rounding his back off a little too much for me. So I would love to have seen consistency in pulling that elbow back. And then at the end, I didn't know if she got caught in his wrist or. Or what was going on. But the prep into the lean. Now, this isn't necessarily that anything went wrong. It was just a bit of an eggy moment for me in the choreograph. I don't mean that to shade Whitney. I absolutely loved this routine. But sometimes things work and sometimes things don't. We know that. Right? And for me, that prep into the lean down for a moment like that to. To be spectacular, you have to not see the prep. And it was sort of like we saw them grab on and go, team, go. And we're going to do this. And then it didn't necessarily give the payoff at the end, I think, for so much of a setup. So it kind of took me out of it a bit, if I'm honest with you. So I let judges carry. Ann went a nine because of the timing issue on the kip up also. Oh, my God. By the. Whitney does kip ups in heels. That woman is just ridiculous. She's amazing. Back to the scores. Carrie Anne gave it a nine and Derek and Bruno landed on ten. So nine, ten, ten from the judges. I also landed on a nine getting into Jordan and Ezra, another passer double for the night. It. I mean, I love watching them dance. I think they've also had a incredible season. We have Carrie Ann. That said, it was so intense. There was so much attack, but she feels there was too much attack in the beginning of it, which is interesting, I feel. I don't necessarily know, but I can understand, I think. Oh. If I'm trying to remember, I wonder if. I feel like it lost a little bit of steam partway through. I think it was a fierce dance from her. I did love the attack, but I think I don't actually know what Carrion was referencing there. I'm trying to find it, but I'm not actually finding it. I'm not saying it wasn't there, but I'm just not remembering it from when I saw it last night. Let me know in the comments if you understand what she was saying. Moving into Derek, he said, you did it. Strong, fierce, powerful, clean. It had all the content, which it totally had all of that passa doble content that you want to look for. There was some nice stretching in it. And Derek also congratulated Ezra on his very first finale. Congratulations as what a body of work you have done already. It's beautiful. Moving in to Bruno, he said the power and the focus. She's like a queen of the Amazon. She just goes for it with so much determination. I think we can definitely say that about Jordan. She's always got that beautiful determination that absolutely, singularly focused on the job at hand. And I absolutely love that about her. And I think it worked for this dance too. For me, how I felt about it. I would have just loved more stretch in this one. You know, it was good, but I feel like Jordan. We had this comment earlier in the season for Robert and I'm not sure if I said it for Jordan as well, but I do feel it in this dance. Sometimes things get cut a little bit short and maybe it has to do with, like, she's so incredibly strong and she hits things beautifully and so hard. But I would love to see the fluidity in a little bit more. Like actually seeing that texture and that stretch out to the ends of it for it to bounce back, back. It's not that she doesn't do the never stop moving, always be breathing somewhere in it. It's just I feel like I wish there was a little bit more resistance in it so it stretched a little bit further beyond its point and then it snapped back into something. Because I really did feel she had nice shapes, but I wanted more stretch out of them. But I did think that content was absolutely fabulous. We landed with a 9, 10, 10 from the judges. Carrying. Giving it a 9. Bruno and Derek giving it tens. I also landed on a nine.
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Getting into the very first of the instant dance. Now, let me. Let me say that I. This was a hard call. I probably should have said this at the very start of this episode. But before we move into the instance, this finale was a really hard call for our pros and our celebrities. Three hours, three dances. One of them being an instant dance, which, by the way, that means those four dances that they had on the table, and they didn't know which one they were going to get. They were rehearsing all four of them. Them throughout the week. So they were rehearsing six dances this week to so they could perform three of them. That is. I think that is a different level to what we've ever done on the show. Or at least it sounds more dramatic than I have ever experienced on the show. That, and it's also the 11th week of the season. They've had a really, like, intense few weeks leading up to just. They were exhausted is what I'm trying to say. They are exhausted. I don't know if it was an amazing choice to have this much pressure on them, because I do feel. And as you'll have noticed in my critiques of the dancers previously, I love them all. But things were missing, and that is only because they had less time to work on them. Not because they're not capable of it. Not because these pros weren't trying to do it, not because the celebrities just couldn't get it, but because they had very restricted time on how to. On. On getting all of these things together. Six dances, you guys. They're rehearsing six dances for the one show. I. I don't know if I love it. Look, again, we've got to try things. And the network is like, this show's crushing it. And the network, ABC is probably like. Like, let's do three hours and see how we go. My opinion, lovingly and with respect. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. If we were gonna do three hours, you know what I would have loved? I would have loved more. Journey packages and story. Bring on an artist performance to sing song. Like, we had great performances. I do. I do think we had some really fun moments throughout the show with those three hours, But I think we could have done more with it in terms of our journey, packaging and recapping the season for people a little bit more. There could have been more emotional points that we could have hit instead of just exhausting our talent so much. So that's my $0.02 worth, you know? And it's no shade to the show. We absolutely have to try things, and I love that they tried it. And it's because the show is doing so well, and it's absolutely crushing it, and so is everyone on the team. But I don't know if I loved this choice coming from being a pro dancer now. I don't know that I would have loved being in that situation of rehearsing six dances. When you're trying to do your best work, when you're trying to create a freestyle, that is going to be the absolute everything. And also do a red dance that shows how much you've improved. I don't know, guys. I wish they just had more time to get their dances to be on the best level that we've seen the whole season, you know? With that said, let's get into the instant dances. So first up, we had Alex and Val. They picked out the cha cha. Bruno said, from week one to now, the transformation, the feet, the hips, absolutely incredible. Carrie Ann said she is blown away. She rose to the occasion and that it was fantastic. Derek said, shows how much you've learned. The fact that you can go out and just be like, I'm gonna do a cha cha. And said, the fringe pants were a good choice. First thing I said, thank God for the fringe pants. They were hiding her legs. There was a lot of bent leg action on there, and so it gave her more action. Her nose was not over her toes. Her hips were forward over her toes. And then the ending, I wasn't so sure whether it was she was stuck on his sleeve or if she forgot what the underturn was after doing that leg swing. So there were a couple things where I was like, it wasn't an amazing dance from them. Was it good? Yeah, because she's gotten good over the season and they've done great work. And yes, I think it showed improvement, but I don't think it was a spectacular dance from them. So the judges gave it. They thought it was spectacular, and the judges gave it a 10, 10, 10. I, however, landed on a nine for that cha cha. All right, next up, we had Dylan and Danny. For the instant dance, they picked a foxtrot. Carrie Ann said, your improvement is unbelievable. It's so amazing. The heel leads and you are leading like a leading man. And you know what? He really was leading through that. I agree with that. He had some lovely heel leads in it. You could tell they were working on that technique. Very true to what Danny has been working on this season. Derek said, I'm in shock. The control in your legs and the ankles and the knees, the compression, the fluidity. He said he called this out as one of the best male celebrity foxtrots on the show. Ever. I was a bit shook at that statement. Now, that's not to say that Dylan wasn't great or he didn't do a good job. I think there were really good parts in it. But, you know, then we went and had Joey and Jenna come out and do a tango and remind you, like, some of the male celeb contestants that we've had come on the show. You know, James Hinchcliffe, Charlie White. I say those just because they're mine. And I remember them. I know they've been other spectacular male performances on the show before. I thought that was a really, really big statement. But, you know, he was really feeling it. And to be fair, these judges have been right there on the journey with these guys throughout the season in the room, watching them. And so maybe it felt that way to Derek. Totally get it. But for me as a viewer, I was like, I don't think so. I can think of a few off the top of my head. However, agreed. He did have control in the ankles, legs, and knees, and it was very, very smooth. So much of an improvement from the last time that we saw Dylan do the foxtrot. And so I was really, really impressed. And you know what is. I also feel like Danny choreographed to the music. I love that song, by the way, that they had the ordinary song, so there was a lot about it to love. For me, I thought it was really impactful, but I didn't love it as much as what the judges were saying. Bruno said, where did that come from? Len would have absolutely loved it. You were in total control. For me, I was like, okay, frame. His frame started off so much better. Finally, I was seeing that left elbow in the proper position, not pulled forward, and his head was looking more over his hand and not over his shoulder. It didn't look like he had a crick in his neck. You know what I mean? It looked like he was really hitting the right position. Now. We lost that partway through, and his. His head ended up going, you know, old habits die hard. Turning a little too far left. But it did start off better. And then I just said, he's just stuck in between. When he's not in frame, he's stuck in between his feet in second position, which is slightly. Slightly in a plie, but not. So it's kind of in no man's land. And he's not picking one side or the other. He never really mastered that. How to drive through one leg into a deep plie into a second, and to hit the lunge on the other side or to find those pictures, he would sometimes find them, but then the elbow would pull back behind the ribs and it would weaken it. Again, those elbows not being out and wide and giving me that strong, very strong posture. I just. I feel like there was a lot that felt a little bit unfinished in it and fair because again, six dances they were rehearsing. I did, however, think they had lovely glide, which is that ankles, knees power that we had Derek talking about. So I really agree on that point. The judges loved this dance. They gave it 10, 10, 10, you guys. I was in between an 8 and a 9, and I didn't commit because I don't need to, but I was definitely in between 8 and 9. I did not think that this was the strongest of dances. Again, how could it be? It being an instant dance. Did I like watching it? Yeah, because I. I love watching them dance. But if I'm looking at a technical aspect on that judges table, I was in between an 8 and a 9 for sure. Moving right along, we are getting into Elaine and Alan. They did a quick step. Good Lord. An instant quick step. Derek said she's the quick step queen. Hard dance to do. There was a little misstep, but it was sensational. We had Bruno say that it was classy and glam, but there were many foot faults, but she did well in spite of it. And then we had Carrie Ann, who said there was some minor mistakes. So everyone's calling out the little misstep, but love the way that she carried herself and that it's the hardest so far. Like. Like stepping into that quick step was the hardest so far for me. Yes, there was a misstep. There was a misstep in the hops that was pretty significant. But what also had me feeling this way is the frame just looked low and wobbly, which made it look a little bit tired or not strong. And I really do feel like this was just a very hard dance for them to step into. And it overall just gave it a bit of messiness that I don't think we've seen from Elaine in quite some time or maybe ever, to be honest with you. I don't love being so hard on it because I love them and I love watching her dance and seeing her go out there and give it everything, but it was really tough. So we judges gave this a999. I was on an 8 for Elaine, getting into Robert and Whitney with the instant cha cha. So Bruno said, so much cleaner. The foot placement, the placement. Overall, the finish, just better. He is on fire. Carrie Ann said she agrees with Bruno. It's. But it's the partnership, and they did the work together, and this was absolutely wonderful. There is something really special about this partnership and something really special about Whitney in it. You know, I saw this video on Tick Tock the other day, and it was Alfonso's voice, and he was talking about how that loss with Milo really broke something in Whitney and that she had lost a little something in her and she was never really quite the same after that. But he feels like he seeing it come back in her this season, it's so beautiful because I relate to that. You know, first of all, so sorry that it was my win that did that to Whitney, but an end. At the same time, I'm still proud of that win. And at the same time, I relate to that feeling. You know, there were. It was James Hinchcliffe's season where I really truly thought we had it and everyone thought we had it. And that loss broke a little something in me. And it's that feeling of, you have to understand, like that season that Whit had with Milo, some of her best work I've ever seen her do. And it's that feeling of, God, well, what's the point? I can give it absolutely everything and do absolutely everything, and I still have no control and it still wasn't enough. And that's a really hard heartbreak to get over because it's your creativity, it's your heart, it's your soul. It's just part of your identity. And I agree. Take my own personal layer part of that story out. I so agree. And I see that in Whitney and then I see her in this season and it was just so beautiful, the way she speaks with Robert, the way she interacts with him, even the way she said at some point she wanted everything to be wonderful for him. And she has this little brother. A lot of the times we can say these things on the show, but you really feel when it's heartfelt and meant and genuine. And I just have loved this partnership. And I think that's what Carrie Anne was trying to refer to in her moments that she had to speak is that it's the partnership and that together they did this work and that every time they come out on the floor, it is wonderful. Derek said the rotation in his hips, the check forward walks, it was just absolutely so impressive. Now, for me, this was another one where I felt, look, I'm a big Robert and Whitney fan and have been and he's my fellow Aussie and I love, love everything about Their dancing. But this dance was not the one for me. There were mistakes. There were definite mistakes. He was trying to go into the New Yorker a whole bit too early. And you literally saw on camera, Whitney had to stop him and count him in and put him into it. And it all felt a little bit no man's land, like. And again, same with everyone a little bit. Because this was the instant dance challenge. It didn't feel as clean and sharp or still had that performance quality because he is still going to go out and give you all of that. That. But it was still. It was missing some of his crispness. His timing was. He was rushing his timing a lot in this one. He was not sitting in the pocket. That is not something that we see from Robert very often. And so I wasn't a lover of this performance for him. I did say, he's such a performer. But then, of course, all the other notes that I mentioned, now this is where it got, like, interesting for me. There were obvious mistakes in this. Just like there was a. What seems to me an obvious mistake in Elaine's. And they all called it out, but no one called it out in this dance, which I felt was really interesting. And maybe from their angle, because it was Robert's back to them, they just didn't see it. But it was very clear on camera, which was where I was watching from backstage. So the judges gave this a 10. 10. 10. You guys, this is the biggest difference that I had in the judges of the night. I gave this an 8. I gave it an 8 because it was. It was a little messy, that the timing was being rushed and because of the mistakes that were made and not because I wasn't cheering for Robert, absolutely cheering for Robert to win, but I just couldn't. I couldn't go higher on it because of those things. But again, from where the judges are sitting at that desk, you know, maybe they didn't see the mistakes come up and that it was from their point of view, a really great performance because they obviously gave it a perfect score. Getting straight into Jordan and Ezra. They did a tango. This is a really. Someone said it was the best one for them to do. I felt like this was a really tough one for them to draw. Okay. Carrie Ann said, this challenge is so hard. The body contact was tight, the hold was nice and sharp, and the spotting was tight. So her spots in her turns, yes, the body contact was really good. But this is something that they battled against in their frame positions. They did a really good job. Ezra did a really good job. At working around that. That and working with their height difference. Their hold was as nice as it could be, I think, but it wasn't as good as it had been in the last tango. But Carrie Ann felt it was. She felt it was sharp, which definitely it was sharp. Derek said it was strong, it was low. The leans and the pivots, everything was great. He absolutely loved it. And Bruno said, fabulous. A little moment that he has borrowed from my. My fave Mr. Craig Revel Horwood, who that's. He speaks in syllables sometimes and that's what he'll say. Fabulous. For me, you guys, I. The first thing I was like, this is just such a hard dance for them to do with this height. And not only that, but this type of challenge where we're at, we're seeing in my scores consistently. I don't think they all delivered great performances, but I think they were up against it and I think you're really seeing that. Truly, these guys have to work hard to get it where it gets to on a Tuesday night. I think it was just biting off more than they could chew and they had to at some point sacrifice something so they could get other things better. So I felt it was just a little bit rough. The body contact was great. The frame dropped a little bit. It was, yes, it was low. It had nice attack in the knees, but it just overall didn't feel clean. You know, it didn't feel crisp and staccato. It had attack, but it was a bit more of a messy attack, like just really going for it instead of that really controlled staccato action. And so, yeah, I. I felt different to the judges. The judges gave this a 10, 10, 10. I was non committal and landing between an 8 and a 9. Let's get stuck into the freestyles. Everybody's absolute favorite thing. Freestyle was always my favorite. A freestyle for me has to be the perfect ending to the journey that you've had. I want some story in there. I want it to mean something. I want it to be absolutely tailor made for that celebrity to be the perfect piece for them to shine to also show how much they've grown, how much that partnership has come together. And I really feel like some people absolutely crushed that or not. Or you know what? I think all of them did a fantastic job at that. So we started off with Ali, Alex and Val. It was a pasa doble slash. I think tango inspired freestyle. Derek said she is a superstar. It was like an arena tour performance. She has built her confidence week after week and she's he was giving her her flowers and just said, thank you. Thank you for sharing that journey with us. And we really have seen that in Alex, right, that. That girl that came out in week one, that was incredibly timid. And even she said in her package, she didn't go up and hug valuable. You know, there was a definite resistance in her or a shyness or an uncertainty. And now we're seeing her out there, she's just like, give me more, more, more, more, more. She can't get enough of it. She's leaving it all on the floor every single time. And it's been absolutely beautiful watching her blossom and open like that. Bruno called her a shero and said that she is the leader of the pack. Carrie Ann said she's really touched by her and the way that she learned and delivered these exquisite dances. She dances with her heart open. She feels very connected, connected to the journey and told her she's fabulous. I think, you know, as Carrie Anne has referenced before and as I've mentioned of Carrie Anne, Carrie Anne's like, old school dancer, solid gold dancer, which I think even Jordan referenced. But, like, that is. That's from an era that doesn't necessarily exist anymore in dancing where, like, how unbelievably hardcore it was and how hard it was and how you just had to do it, feet bleeding or not. And I think we sort of see that in Alex. And she very much didn't have to be that person. She could have come in, she could have been precious, she could have been all sorts of things. But she 0 of that. No attitude, no resistance, just wants more. Wants to be absolutely true to it and give the respect to not only Val, but the show and the style that she's learning is unbelievable. So I've loved seeing her grow that way, and I feel that that's what Carrion was talking about. I loved this. I thought at first I was like, oh, Paso is a choice. I don't know how I feel about it, but she did it really, really well. She was so clean, so sharp. Her performance quality in it, giving face, which is something she had to grow into over this season. I. I thought it was amazing. I don't know that it's my favorite I've ever seen. I think energetically, I like things that are either emotional or upbeat. Right. But that is a personal preference, but. And no notes. Like, no notes. As far as what she could have done differently or better. It's a stylistic thing, I think. I do think Val created something amazing for her because. Because Alex was really good at the paso and they had a great dance. So he's tailoring it to her. He's doing movement that looks good on her. He framed it really well with everything else. I thought the hot girls moment at the back was like really cool to add that in there. We got to see some sexy from her. Like, there was a lot to love about this. The Judges gave it 10. 10. 10. I also gave it a 10. I don't know what she could have done differently or better. It was a really, really solid freestyle.
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Freestyle for Dylan and Danny. Bruno said, it was beautiful. It was poetic. It captured the quality of a dream. Carrie Ann said, Dancing with the Stars is this epic journey and no one is going to ever understand it until they do it. And this dance was a beautiful representation of that. I love that comment. I thought that was really, really nice. And I think it speaks for itself. It really is true. This is a journey that absolutely nobody will ever understand until they are in it. Even the celebrities that join the show, they're like, what can I expect? And then they get to the end of it and they're like, nobody could have prepared me because you just don't know until you're in it. Derek said it was beautiful. He has this really sincere, kind, beautiful masculinity about him. He was a wonderful partner for Danny and he just said, I love you. I'm speechless. Now, when I heard that they were doing a cont. Like a contemporary slow, I was like, oh, is that the right choice for Dylan? I don't know, but I think it was a beautiful choice in the context of where everything sat. It stood out, it was on its own. I thought the opening visual was beautiful with everyone on the floor and the way that it was lit, stunning. I think that Dylan really gave some emotion in this. When I heard, I was like, that's a love song. Like, what are we doing? But then Danny explains in the package that it's. That it's. He has fallen in love with dance and she was representing dance, which she very much does to him. And something about this might be the last time that our hearts are this close or that our hearts feel this way. It could be the last time that he. Well, it is the last time he's ever going to dance like that. You know, when else is he going to do it when he's climbing mountains? Like, I thought it actually was a beautiful way to finish their journey. So I, I, you know what? I really appreciated it. So the visuals were great. I love. There was an overhead where, like, she, first of all, he lifted her as he was laying down. She rolled down to the floor and then she, like, swung around and then swooped him into her lap. Gorgeous. Go. Just no notes. I loved this visual when we. He got into, like, an arabesque and of course, his little flexed, spread out toes, foot was towards the camera. And I was like, no, don't do that wrong. Wrong angle. But we did see it and it was there. I thought it was beautiful. Look, he did some gorgeous movement. Beautiful. Assisting in the lifts and all those sorts of things. We got to the water and I was like, yes, here we go. What do we got? I don't know if it lived up to what I wanted it to be like. Was. Was great. There were some really great moments in it. And I think this comes down to them not having enough time to maybe practice it and find what was epic. I feel bad saying this about Danny's work because I absolutely love Danny's work. I just think maybe there could have been something else that we did in the water that could have worked and really emphasized it instead of it looking like we're just trying to slap it up and kick it up, you know? And so I felt like, oh, such a cool moment that was almost there. Like we were almost there for me. But there was a lot to love in it. So the judges absolutely loved this. And I do agree with all of their comments about him and his journey and him falling in love with it. His. It was poetic. It even made me emotional. Like, it really did hit. Hit the feels for me, especially understanding what Danny was representing and seeing how emotional they were in their package. I just get emotional with these things. So the judges gave this a 10. 10, 10. I, however, landed on a 9 for it. Not because I didn't love it, but because it just. Just missed the mark for me of being something spectacular. And we are talking about finale. We are talking about freestyle, and I really want it to be all the things, you know, and it was so close getting into Alan and Elaine. Freestyle. Let's talk about all the things Carrie Ann said. Reference. Her bringing other people into her freestyle really shines a spotlight on, like, who she is as a person. She's just sharing that spotlight, which I thought that was really sweet. She said she was lost for words. No, she was lost for it. Sorry. She was stumbling to try and find something to say, but she was pretty much lost for words. Words. And she just said it was wonderful and she loved it. Derek said in the beginning, he had said to her, let this journey begin. And now he said that the journey is complete. He is so incredibly proud of her. Bravo. Bruno said, you've got it. Reference to the song being. I hope I get it. Delicious played to her strengths. Fantastic. From day one. Agreed. Delicious played to her strengths. Absolutely from fantastic. From day one. I said, oh, I love it. Oh, I'm obsessed. Wow. No, no notes. Perfect. This was the most spectacular way to see her end her journey. It was everything that was comfortable on her body. She was animated. She was acting. It was true to her. It was almost. Almost about her. You know what I mean? And it was beautiful seeing her and Alan in it. I loved everything. This was chef's kiss for me. This was a chef's kiss freestyle. Well done, Alan. Well done. Elaine, I have loved your journey. The judges gave this a 10. 10. 10. I gave this a 10. And then I circled that 10 like, three times because I was like, yes, that is like the top. Top, top 10 plus, plus on that spectrum of a 10, she's at the top of that. Robert and Whitney's freestyle. Okay. Before we even get into the judges, that package was playing. And then it broke me. Broke me in all capital letters when he just said, I wish he could see it. No, I'm gonna get emotional now saying it. No. Know when he said, I wish he could see it about his dad, I just lost it. And I was like, oh, here we go. And thank God they didn't. Upbeat. Something fun. And Whitney did a really great job of bringing that song. My father told me right. Right in the middle and just had a little hint to a moment of something. An ode to Steve. Beautiful, beautiful. I love the way that she tied that in into a piece that was high energy and upbeat. That is so tailored for Robert. It. But then we just had that little nod in the middle. Oh, spectacular. The judges. Derek said he could barely contain his emotions because obviously he's so very close with them. Remember you at 11 years old and now tonight you're a dancer. Your legacy as an example of how to move through life. He complimented it. Basically he is. They are that whole Irwin family. There's something spectacular about them, something special. Thank God they are. He. Thank God. We had Bindi share her journey and now we've had Robert share his. This was beautiful. Bruno said he sees you. He sees you. Your dad sees you. And that was a 24 karat gold performance. Referencing the song Carrie Ann basically said please accept our love and everyone in this room as a consolation because there is so much love for you. Which there is. I mean, there's something beautiful about Robert. Many people try and portray what Robert does but it doesn't. It doesn't feel genuine. And I think it was the same with Bindi and I think some people in the beginning with Bindi didn't quite know if it was real or not. And maybe they even feel that way about Robert. But as someone that knows that family and. And watching them, it is absolutely genuine. This is their legacy. This is who they are. They are those people. That excitement, that love, that wonder, that everything that you see on them, that deep gratitude just for every moment of existence, it is real. And it is as Carrie Ann said earlier in the season and it's a testament to Terry in the way that she's raised them. It's so unbelievably beautiful. Now the fact that both of them can dance, that's some freaky stuff that I don't understand. Like, I don't. They just have these beautiful gifts and ways of connecting with people and apparently ways of connecting with their body and doing some crazy stuff with it because this was a very, very impressive freestyle. There was a fabulous trick at the beginning. I was like, yes, face. How amazing is that? That the father told me moment which I felt was really, really special. I love the way she created it. And genuinely just another chef's kiss. I thought this was beautifully crafted for Robert. I think he nailed every single bit of it. I didn't see him miss a beat. It was another demanding routine. Like, think about what he had to take on for this entire week. Not only is he rehearsing those other dances, and that's why his cha cha didn't look so great, right? Because he obviously focused on the other ones. Quick step was really great. So much content, so much going on in there to really get down. And then this one. That is a lot, you guys. That is so much to take on. And he did such a fantastic job. I. I can't imagine how unbelievably tired they are, all of the couples, but it was a real feat and he did it. He absolutely went out there and he crushed it. He didn't miss a beat. I feel like he nailed the tricks. He nailed the performance, as always. His timing was good in this one. I really think that it was the perfect end to his journey on Dancing with the Stars. As far as their final dance, I loved it. I mean, listen, you can already guess the scores. Judges gave it 10, 10, 10. I also landed on a 10. Coming up to the final performance of the entire season, saving Jordan and Ezra for last. The first thing I wrote was, oh. I was like, oh, my God, she's coming out fierce and this is absolutely in her element. Bruno said, incredible Showstopper queen bee would be be proud. Loved it. Carrie Anne said, you are a powerful woman of color and you show them how it's done. Best freestyle ever in 20 seasons. I think she meant 20 years. Do I think. I mean, listen, again, art is subjective. It is everyone's opinion and this is definitely up carrying's alley with it being so fierce and powerful woman. So I see how she got there. I don't know that it's the best freestyle I've ever seen, but I do think it was impactful and I do think it was beautifully tailored for her. And I think Ezra did a great job. Derek said, incredible, powerful, explosive. It was everything I said. It was so, so great for her. It was so fierce. She was in her element. Normani came out. Now, did I like that? I don't know. I don't know. I think I would have preferred that Normani came out with the mic and we had a hint of her in the background, but I don't know that I needed Normani to dance with her. Was it fierce? Yeah, but I wanted it to just. Just be about Jordan, you know, because she was so fierce and in her element. So I don't know that I would have Done that the same way. But that might have just been a production thing and not even an Ezra thing. Or maybe for Jordan. She was like, heck, yeah, I want Normani dancing with me. You know? And they had that moment with each other, so I'd never want to take that away from her. But as a viewer, I kind of wish that it was a little bit more about her and not bringing in, like, surprise guests like that. Like, when you see Elaine and she had surprise guests, that was cool. But it was still very much about Elaine. But I think this moment. I don't know. Personal opinion, am I wrong? As I'm saying, and I'm doubting myself, but I'm not sure that I loved it. Normani coming out now. No, no notes. As far as taking points off, that's just a creative thing. I thought it was a fantastic dance. And again, Ezra created something absolutely perfectly tailored, like that attitude she was giving in the beginning. That guts that she has and that absolute fierceness that she has. Yes. Was like. I thought it was absolutely spectacular. And she's gonna look at this dance in all the years to come and be so unbelievably proud of it. Maybe it will be her favorite one yet because it was just so iconically her. And I do think that Beyonce, Normani, like, proud. Super, super proud to have their music be a part of that moment. Judges gave it a 10. 10. 10. I also gave it a 10. Wow, you guys. What a season. What a freaking season. We had more votes than ever, more viewers than ever. The show is coming back in full force and getting its flowers. We also celebrated 20 years of dancing with the Stars. It has been an absolute gift to be a spectator for it, honestly. And I watched what these guys do, and I watch what these kids do out there, and I'm just so in awe of them, you know, they are this new and younger generation. Every time I'm on set or do a press line or at the 20th anniversary, everyone says, when are you coming back? Would you come back as a pro? And my answer is the same. It's like, never say never. But I honestly love what this generation of pros are doing. And also, guys, their workload is unbelievable now. Unbelievable. Not only are they doing all the demand of the dances, it's all the tik toks in rehearsal. And all of those things now are just important as doing the work, because look at how many votes it's generating. It really is so interesting the way that it has shifted and moved with the times. It's beautiful. Not even Interesting. It's beautiful how it's shifted and moved with the times. I mean, Tick Tock was always meant to be the best fit for Dancing with the Stars. How will we not going viral years prior, but somehow that magic formula has happened and that is through Dina Katz and casting and Conrad Green and direction and, you know, the social media teams really like clocking onto it and putting an importance on it. It. And of course, the addition, I think of Ezra and Riley a couple seasons back and seeing it grow into this version now is really beautiful. So would I love to be a part of it? Heck, yeah. Do I know if I could even keep up with everyone anymore? I honestly, I honestly don't know. They are so fierce and wonderful and what they create is so spectacular. Robert and Whitney obviously won and I, you know, standing on the edge, we all ran in. We were on the edge of the ballroom. We were. I was standing there with Max and Peter, not, not too far behind where the mirror ball was with Joey and Jen. And we had no idea what way it was going to go because I think Robert was down a point than Alex. So we had no idea and figured it was going to be really tight in votes. I think it could have been anybody's, but it, it did. It went to Robert and Whitney and it was beautiful to see Whitney get her her trophy. And I think she wrote in her Instagram post that that 11 years ago to the day, she won her first mirable with Alfonso and 11 years later to the day, Alfonso is the one handing her her second. I think that is just absolutely amazing. It's beautiful to watch all of them do their thing. It's beautiful to see you guys fall in love with it more and more, to hear your feedback on it. Even those of you that passionately have things to say that make you unhappy. It's all part of it and I love your passion for the show. Thank you so much for hanging with me on in the fourth chair. Thank you, Danielle Fishel, for giving me this platform to do this. This was so very fun. I've loved being a part of this and bringing this to you guys every week. And I've certainly loved seeing the feedback as far as helping you understand what the judges are saying and meaning, helping you understand why the scoring might be that way or, or how the scoring even works or technical aspects of a dance. I, I've always loved being a teacher. I've loved being a coach. And doing it in this way has actually been really, really fun. Just quickly before we go, guys, I just want to say. And I've got my guy Zany here with me. We want to say Happy Thanksgiving. Right? You want to say Happy Thanksgiving to everyone? No. Well, Happy Thanksgiving to all of you. I hope you have an amazing day filled with all the things. And that's it from us. I guess we'll see you on the next one at some point. Point. Bye.
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Yeah, Riley, thank you so much.
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Release Date: November 27, 2025
Host: Sharna Burgess (guest-hosting for Danielle Fishel, iHeartPodcasts)
This finale episode of "Danielle with the Stars" is an in-depth, passionate celebration and critique of the "Dancing with the Stars" Season 32 finale. Sharna Burgess takes the 4th judge's chair to break down each of the finalist couples’ performances, share her technical dance insights, comment on choreography and emotional moments, and ultimately reflect on the joy and growth experienced by both the dancers and the audience.
“Three hours, three dances. One of them being an instant dance, which, by the way, meant those four dances that they had on the table, they didn't know which they were going to get. They were rehearsing all four throughout the week…They're exhausted.” (22:36)
“If it ain't broke, don't fix it… I wish they just had more time to get their dances to be on the best level that we've seen the whole season...” (23:08)
Each couple reprised or was given a technically challenging dance.
Alex & Val – Samba
“I felt she was fractionally back-weighted at times… needed more hip rotation... There was so much in it to love.” (04:50)
Dylan & Danny – Paso Doble
“His arms don’t develop… too low elbows… missing some attack. It felt a little bit slow, if I’m honest.” (06:30)
Elaine & Alan – Rumba
“Legs were not straight… missing some hip rotation and the snap… up top, spectacular performer.” (09:50)
Robert & Whitney – Quickstep
“The kip up was off. His frame sometimes rounded… prep into the lean felt eggy… but overall, spectacular routine for him.” (12:24)
Jordan & Ezra – Paso Doble
“Wonderful attack, but I wish there was a little more stretch… sometimes things get cut short, wanted more fluidity.” (15:06)
Explanation: Dancers practiced four potential dances all finale week, not knowing which they'd pull—showcasing adaptability and pressure.
Alex & Val – Cha Cha
“Thank God for the fringe pants—they hid her legs… not an amazing dance but showed improvement.” (23:12)
Dylan & Danny – Foxtrot
“A bit shook at Derek’s statement—he was good, but I can think of a few better… frame started right, then wobbled… lovely glide.” (25:49)
Elaine & Alan – Quickstep
“There was a misstep in the hops, frame looked low and wobbly—felt tired and messy for Elaine.” (28:38)
Robert & Whitney – Cha Cha
“Mistakes—he tried to go into the New Yorker too early, Whitney had to stop him… timing was rushed; judges didn’t call out mistakes.” (30:53)
Jordan & Ezra – Tango
“A tough draw for them… hold not as good as last time; attack was a bit messy, not crisp… judges overlooked some roughness.” (33:39)
Culmination of journey, each routine tailored to star's strengths and growth.
Alex & Val
“She’s leaving it all on the floor... no attitude, no resistance, just wants more.” (39:32)
Dylan & Danny
“No one will ever understand this journey until they do it... this dance was a beautiful representation.” – Carrie Ann (46:36)
“Opening visual beautiful... not sure it lived up to what I wanted in the water… almost there but not spectacular.” (47:19)
Elaine & Alan
“Most spectacular way to end her journey... chef’s kiss for me. Circled that 10 three times!” (50:15)
Robert & Whitney
“Your legacy as an example of how to move through life.” – Derek (53:00)
“He sees you. Your dad sees you.” – Bruno (53:25)
“Another chef's kiss… perfect ending to his journey… nailed every single bit.” (54:40)
Jordan & Ezra
“You are a powerful woman of color and you show them how it's done. Best freestyle ever in 20 seasons.” (56:18)
“She was in her element… it was absolutely spectacular. She’s gonna look back so proud. No notes.” (56:46)
New Era, Social Media, and Demands: Sharna admires the younger generation of pros and the show’s adaptation to social media and new formats, noting it “really is so interesting the way it has shifted and moved with the times… beautiful.” (59:34)
Winner Announcement:
“Robert and Whitney obviously won... We had no idea which way it was going to go... it did. It went to Robert and Whitney and it was beautiful to see Whitney get her trophy.” (60:45)
Gratitude & Farewell: Sharna thanks listeners, Danielle Fishel, and the whole DWTS community for their passion.
“Thank you for hanging with me in the Fourth Chair… I've always loved being a teacher, a coach, and doing it this way has been really, really fun.” (61:16)
This episode offers a technical, emotional, and celebratory review of the Dancing With the Stars finale, expertly dissected with behind-the-scenes insights only a seasoned pro like Sharna Burgess could deliver. Whether you missed the finale or want a deep-dive critique of each routine and what it meant in the journey, this episode is a "chef's kiss" closer to a memorable season.