Danny Jones Podcast #342

NASA Physicist on Alien Abductions & Remote Viewing the Afterlife
Guest: Thomas Campbell
Date: October 20, 2025

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In this wide-ranging episode, Danny Jones speaks with physicist Thomas Campbell about the intersection of cutting-edge science and parapsychology. Campbell, whose career has spanned NASA, missile defense, and decades of consciousness research, shares his "Theory of Everything" that unites physics with the nonphysical realms—remote viewing, healing, alien abduction experiences, and insights into the afterlife. The conversation traverses Campbell’s professional journey, his deep involvement in consciousness studies (notably at the Monroe Institute), and bold claims about reality, consciousness, and what happens after death.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Thomas Campbell’s Career Trajectory

• Origins in Missile Defense and NASA
  • Campbell worked on the Star Wars missile defense initiative in the 1980s before becoming a consultant for NASA, focusing on advanced physics modeling and risk analysis (00:51–04:35).
• Fun at NASA: Modeling Bird Strikes on Rockets
  • Developed a computer model to assess the probability and impact of bird strikes on spacecraft, a previously unsolved problem (04:37–09:13).
  • Memorable moment: “When you have a missile that goes off... you have a collision with a four-pound bird doing Mach 1 and a half—that's more energy than you'd get from a cannonball.” (06:05)
• NASA Organizational Challenges
  • Early retirement incentives caused massive loss of institutional knowledge and led to design work being outsourced, fundamentally changing NASA's internal landscape (09:13–11:52).

2. Entry into Parapsychology & Consciousness Research

• Monroe Institute & Out-of-Body Research

  • Campbell became involved with Bob Monroe in the early 1970s, learning to induce out-of-body experiences and conducting systematic experiments in remote viewing, healing, and telepathy (13:01–15:03).
  • Rigorous experiments were conducted in acoustic and electromagnetically isolated booths (25:46–27:03).
  • Quote: “He taught us how to go out of body... we could go out of body on demand and kind of reproduce the same states. And we then needed to convince ourselves that it was real… So we did things that were evidential, like remote viewing. You either get it right or you get it wrong.” (15:04)

• The Scientific Mindset in Esoteric Inquiry

  • Campbell explains why technically minded people are often attracted to parapsychology: open-mindedness and inquisitiveness are essential for innovation in both fields (21:30–23:50).

3. The My Big TOE (Theory of Everything) Model

• Genesis & Core Assertions

  • Developed over 33 years, Campbell’s “big TOE” posits that consciousness is fundamental, and physical reality is derivative—essentially information-based or simulated (27:17–37:14).
  • "The arrow of causality was from consciousness to the physical." (27:48)

• Physics, Consciousness, and the Observer Effect

  • Campbell claims his model derives quantum mechanics and relativity from consciousness principles, aligning with fundamental mysteries in modern physics (30:00–33:46).
  • Quote: “It’s pretty much an accepted idea in physics that reality is information based. Now, they won’t go further than that because they don’t know what the next step is.” (31:08)

• Virtual Reality & Simulation Argument

  • The universe is a computed, probabilistic simulation, with consciousness as the information processor (38:17–55:50).
  • Distinction between simulation and virtual reality is semantic (“nothing,” really, differentiates them—38:20).
  • Physical constants' fine-tuning is explained as iterative "Digital Bangs" run by the larger consciousness system (47:43–53:14).

4. Healing, Remote Viewing, and Psi Phenomena

• Mind over Matter

  • Campbell describes repeatedly effecting physical healings with intent and explains the mechanism as altering probabilistic outcomes in the simulation (37:14–38:17, 73:05–74:13).
  • Placebo and mind-matter effects are presented as mainstream examples of this mechanism (73:03).

• Remote Viewing & “Seeing without Eyes”

  • Describes scientific and personal experiences with people—adults and children—learning to see while blindfolded, attributing it to real-time data access from a universal “database” (91:05–101:58).
  • Quote: “It’s just real-time remote viewing. You can remote view the Eiffel Tower while you’re sitting here in Florida... You're getting that data out of this database that I talked about.” (91:47)

5. Psychedelics, Dreams, and Alternate Realities

• Consciousness Exploration Methods
  • While psychedelics can open consciousness to other realities, Campbell prefers traditional training, arguing it provides deeper and less confusing experiences (59:13–61:36).
• Other “Virtual Realities”
  • Dreams are described as looser-rule simulations; Campbell claims to have visited multiple, distinct realities (57:08–59:06).

6. Alien Abductions & Paranormal Experiences

• Interpretation as Fear Tests within Consciousness
  • Alien abduction memories and similar experiences are viewed as data stream manipulations—tests by the larger consciousness system to challenge or measure one’s fear, not evidence of literal extraterrestrial visitations (140:38–145:29).
  • Campbell himself experienced “abductions” as part of growth: "Those experiences... were just the larger consciousness system trying to give an assessment of who I was and how I would interact and how much fear I had." (144:08)
• Individual Interpretation
  • People’s experiences are heavily shaped by individual expectation, culture, and belief ("People make up a story to fit the experience...” (145:36)).

7. Chris Bledsoe, Orbs, and the System’s “Waking Up” Mechanisms

• Healing and Orbs as Consciousness Phenomena
  • Discusses Chris Bledsoe’s “healing” and orb phenomena as orchestrated experiences by the consciousness system to accelerate human spiritual growth (74:38–84:30).
• Role of Trauma
  • Repeated theme: Those who undergo profound trauma are often “opened up” to greater psychic abilities and connection (112:15–115:48).

8. Reincarnation, Afterlife, Death

• What Happens When We Die
  • Campbell claims first-hand knowledge from working in the “transition reality,” serving as a “Walmart greeter” for souls moving on.
  • Post-death, consciousness transitions to a new avatar, often before or just after birth, based on the readiness of the developing sensory data stream (164:09–173:10).
  • Quote: “The system sent me to this transition reality so that I would understand what happens when you die.” (165:13)

9. God, The Larger Consciousness System, and Theology

• Is the Larger Consciousness System “God”?
  • Campbell’s model parallels theological conceptions but avoids personal or supernatural attributes—his “God” is not omniscient in the absolute sense, and the future is open, not predetermined (153:01–158:58).
  • “We’re also pieces of that system. We have all of its attributes, but at a smaller package.” (157:27)
  • Vital role of free will and choice is emphasized; determinism is fundamentally rejected (158:58–164:09).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

“When you have a missile that goes off... you have a collision with a four-pound bird doing Mach 1 and a half—that's more energy than you'd get from a cannonball.”
— Thomas Campbell (06:05)

“Physics... that's a pretty accepted viewpoint in physics, that reality is information-based. Now, they won’t go any further than that...”
— Thomas Campbell (31:08)

“Consciousness is fundamental. The physical world is not... The arrow of causality was from consciousness to the physical.”
— Thomas Campbell (27:48)

“Anything that you can do on a psychedelic, you can do much better without it. Really? Yes.”
— Thomas Campbell (59:13–60:29)

“Healing with your intent is probably the easiest paranormal thing that anybody can do.”
— Thomas Campbell (84:50)

“If the system wants to have a little flying saucer land in your backyard... it can do that. It’s just a data stream.”
— Thomas Campbell (130:44)

“Alien abduction... that’s just data in a data stream. Now, you feed that data stream yourself... That experience... is a standard fear test kind of experience. The system does a lot of fear testing...”
— Thomas Campbell (140:38)

“The system sent me to this transition reality so that I would understand what happens when you die... I was like a Walmart greeter.”
— Thomas Campbell (165:13, 165:15)

“We’re all one, it’s really true. We are, we’re all subsets of that piece of consciousness.”
— Thomas Campbell (66:45)

"Shared information is much better. That's your business... that's how we move forward in this reality. We have to connect and share."
— Thomas Campbell (184:11)

Timestamps for Major Segments

• NASA Career, Bird Strike Modeling .......... 00:51–09:13
• Monroe Institute & OBE Research ............ 13:01–27:03
• Theory of Everything & Consciousness ....... 27:17–55:50
• Other Virtual Realities, Psychedelics ...... 57:08–61:36
• Alien Abduction Analysis ................... 140:38–149:39
• Afterlife & Reincarnation .................. 164:09–173:10
• God, The Larger Consciousness System ....... 153:01–164:09

Resources & Contact

• Campbell's work and resources at: www.my-big-toe.com
• Audio courses for practicing remote viewing, healing, and other "psi" abilities
• Extensive YouTube channel, with searchable subject and an AI assistant trained on Campbell’s works

Summary:
Thomas Campbell’s unique blend of rigorous physics and first-person consciousness research results in an ambitious, all-encompassing theory. He argues that consciousness, not matter, is the fundamental substance of reality, and that physical phenomena, healing, parapsychological experiences, and even so-called alien abductions all emerge from information processing within a shared, evolving consciousness system. While his claims stretch far beyond mainstream science, his insistence on direct, reproducible personal experience—as opposed to mere belief—stands out.