Danny Jones Podcast #348 – Anunnaki, UFOs, Ancient Technology & Proof of Atlantis

Guest: Matt LaCroix | Date: November 10, 2025
Host: Danny Jones

Episode Overview

This episode dives deep into alternative archaeology and the mysteries of ancient advanced civilizations, as author and researcher Matt LaCroix guides Danny Jones through a globe-trotting discussion of the Anunnaki, lost technologies, the role of the Moon, megalithic monuments, ancient cataclysms, Atlantis, and the hidden history of humanity. With field experiences in Turkey and around Lake Van, references to Sumerian tablets, Indian philosophy, suppressed archaeological finds, and secret societies, the conversation covers controversial territory – all in a spirit aiming to bridge academic and “alternative” worlds of history.

Tone: Inquisitive, adventurous, skeptical, and mind-expanding, with moments of awe and frustration at mainstream narratives.

Key Themes and Discussion Points

1. Bridging Academia and the Alternative (00:00–02:43)

• Matt’s Mission: Bridge mainstream and alternative history—seek truth, not push an agenda.
• Critique of the stagnation of academic history and science; need for objective, evidence-driven exploration.

“Science is about the objective search for truth, no matter what…if you have evidence that comes up that challenges that traditional narrative, it’s in your duty to explore it…” — Matt [01:01]

2. Field Research, Documentaries, and Collaboration (03:14–05:39)

• Matt is filming a world-traveling, multi-country documentary, collaborating with archaeologists and bringing attention to underfunded sites.
• Discusses his approach of respectful engagement rather than antagonism.

“We want to do everything legitimately because we’re working with a lot of those archaeologists…” — Matt [04:26]

3. Dating the Ancient World and the Sumerian Legacy (05:43–13:48)

• Focus on ancient Mesopotamian stories (Ziusudra/Noah) and Sumerian cuneiform as the most reliable ancient records.
• Issues in dating stone monuments, methods (carbon dating, luminescence, sediment analysis).
• Western historical narrative rooted in Roman/Herodotean timelines, resistant to change.

“That story has been around for well over a thousand years and it hasn’t changed.” — Matt [09:48]

• Jonathan Anthony West and Robert Schoch’s Sphinx research broke the consensus—water erosion indicates much older origins.

4. Lost Civilizations: Character, Collapse, and Peace (13:48–16:08)

• Contrasts paradigm: Ancient civilizations before Egypt/Sumer may have been peaceful, pre-war empires.
• The Younger and Older Dryas events (catastrophes, abrupt climate change) ended these golden ages.

5. Human Genetics, Anunnaki, and Creation Myths (16:08–20:17)

• Human chromosomes: the “missing” chromosomes compared to primates suggest a mysterious leap.

“We are actually a lot more…different than we have similarities in common.” — Matt [16:44]

• The Sumerian tablets purportedly describe deliberate “tinkering” or design.
• Cross-referencing ancient translations reveals allegorical and potentially literal meanings—many subsequent cultures' myths are derivative.

“Not all literal…separating what is literal from symbolic and allegorical is not easy.” — Matt [20:17]

6. Megaliths and The Missing Key (20:17–26:12)

• Matt’s research into global megalithic architecture: perfectly cut, massive stones in Peru, Egypt, Turkey, Bolivia, China, and more.

“This civilization that built all these things...had tools and abilities and understandings that we still struggle with today.” — Matt [41:38]

• Discovery of underwater ruins in Lake Van, Turkey (2017)—potentially the deepest confirmed underwater ruins on Earth.

“He accidentally stumbled upon what became now considered the deepest confirmed underwater ruins in the world…” — Matt [23:37]

Notable Moment: Underwater Site at Lake Van (25:29–26:15)

“[The] front capstone…has symbols…that match like ancient Egypt …a global lost civilization that seemed to be sharing knowledge all around the world, all had connections to it and they were systematically destroyed and wiped out.” — Matt [26:15]

7. Cataclysms, Ice Ages, and Vitrification (28:04–39:21)

• Younger and Older Dryas: not gradual, linear changes; ancient catastrophes caused abrupt shifts.
• Evidence of instant flash freezing and mass extinctions (e.g., mammoth remains with undigested food).

“To flash freeze a mammoth like that…it had to have been at least negative 150 degrees… instantly.” — Matt [34:10]

• Alternative to impact theory: massive solar events (CME), sudden pole shifts, cause vitrification (melted stone) at ancient sites.

“To get basalt to melt, you’d have to have temperatures nearly 2,000 degrees…on the surface.” — Matt [36:58]

8. Questions of Function: Ancient Technology and Serapium Boxes (39:21–44:28)

• Speculation: Egyptian granite “serapium boxes” possibly for energy, sound, or crystal growth.

“They certainly weren’t tombs. …The battery thing might be legit.” — Matt [39:34, 40:43]

• Observational evidence:
  • Perfect geometry, laser-like cuts.
  • Choice of stones based on electromagnetic properties for unknown purposes.

9. Global Catastrophe, Survival, and Forgotten Knowledge (44:28–52:33)

• Across the world, ancient projects abruptly halted at their peak (Egypt, Easter Island, China, Baalbek).
• Massive underground cities in Turkey (Derinkuyu, Kaymakli) for survival through disasters.

“The wild thing is…[the tunnel] goes five and a half miles all the way to Kaimakli.” — Matt [46:44]

10. Myth, Symbolism, and The Preservers of Knowledge (52:33–56:49)

• Recurrence of a “knowledge-bringer” or “savior” figure: Enki, Prometheus, Quetzalcoatl, the serpent.
• Mesopotamian version (Atrahasis, Epic of Gilgamesh): humanity created with “seed of the gods,” saved by Enki/Enlil’s pact.

“He warns [Ziusudra/Noah]…because he needs…the seed of mankind preserved.” — Matt [55:44]

11. The Mystery of the Moon and the Solar System (62:24–77:45)

• The Moon’s precise size, distance, composition, and effect on Earth’s life—anomalies suggest it’s “not natural.”

“If there’s anything that suggests outside intervention, it’s the moon. …It’s impossible that all those impossibilities could come together in one thing.” — Matt [68:03–68:39]

• Speculation: the moon may be a “terraforming device,” possibly linked to ancient stories of planetary catastrophe (Mars, nuclear signatures).

12. Esoteric Traditions, Human Potential, and Suppressed Knowledge (77:45–88:55)

• Critique of technocratic, materialistic society; call to rediscover ancient mystic paths, meditative practices, and “magical” potential.

“If you decide to see through the illusion, you can end up becoming something far greater.” — Matt [101:35]

• Ancient traditions worldwide obsessed with afterlife, consciousness, “energy that cannot be destroyed.”
• Secret societies as original preservers—but now gatekeepers—of this knowledge.

13. The Education System and Controlled Narratives (88:55–94:47)

• Rockefeller’s standardization of education aimed at producing workers, not free-thinkers or questioners.

“It was developed as a curriculum that would create a worker just educated enough to do regular tasks, but not educated enough…to go into a deeper place.” — Matt [90:10]

• Homeschooling and independent research as paths to deeper truth.

14. Ancient Laws, Duality, and Human Destiny (94:47–98:32)

• Reality described as cyclical, based on duality/polarity.
• The Anuna/Anunnaki and other mythic beings as “cycle-masters” or demiurges, guiding human destiny.

15. Hidden Human Powers, Esoteric Practices, and Modern Psi Atrophy (98:32–104:20)

• Psychic abilities: remote viewing, telepathy, consciousness exploration—once commonplace, now dormant due to modern life.
• Strong anecdotal examples of pre-cognitive or telepathic connections, as well as traditional and contemporary demonstration (e.g., autistic children with telepathy).

16. Origins of Civilization, Shared Symbolism, and Archaeological Revelations (131:00–149:53)

• Ongoing discoveries at Lake Van sites (Ionis, Kef Kalesi, Shavuz Tepe).
• Unique symbols (sun cross, step pyramids), geometry, cross-cultural parallels (Knights Templar cross, Hindu Trimurti, Mayan Chacana, South American and Southeast Asian megaliths).
• Evidence suggests a globally connected, pre-cataclysm, knowledge-sharing civilization.

17. The Anunnaki: Not Aliens or Slave-Masters, But Fractals of Source (116:46–164:49)

• Detailed breakdown of Anunnaki as not “aliens,” nor gold-mining slave-masters (contra Zechariah Sitchin), but “fractal beings” of source energy.
• The oldest texts (Myth of Adapa) describe humanity as made “in the image” of the Anunnaki, potentially destined to become as powerful as the gods themselves.

“We are the Anunnaki. We are them. We just don’t remember anything and we don’t have any of the gifts anymore.” — Matt [173:25]

18. Atlantis, Greek History, and the Azores (184:21–204:26)

• The transmission of the Atlantis story: Solon, Temple of Neith, Plato, and Plutarch’s corroborative accounts.
• Plutarch’s descriptions: real named priests, real temple, inscriptions.
  • Inscription: “I am all that has been, is, and shall be. No mortal has lifted my veil.” [194:24]
• Atlantis likely real: evidence of submerged continent near the Azores matching Plato’s description, global maritime network, and migration of survivors.
• Cyclopean walls (Pix Wall) outside Athens and similar megaliths as physical evidence.

Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Matt (on science & dogma):
  “Science is about the objective search for truth, no matter what…if you have evidence that comes up that challenges that traditional narrative, it’s in your duty to explore it…” [01:01]

• Matt (on cuneiform tablets):
  “That’s why I put so much weight on studying cuneiform tablets, because they're the origins and older stories of mankind, bar none.” [07:29]

• Matt (on the Sphinx debate):
  “It took five minutes for an academic to disprove a long standing thing that had become a basis for an understanding of timelines of the Egyptians…” [11:47]

• Matt (on human genetics):
  “We are actually a lot more…different than we have similarities…” [16:44]

• Matt (on cataclysms):
  “To flash freeze a mammoth like that…it had to have been at least negative 150 degrees… instantly.” [34:10]

• Matt (on the Anunnaki):
  “We are the Anunnaki. We are them. We just don’t remember anything and we don’t have any of the gifts anymore…We were created in such perfection that we were more wise and more potentially more powerful than even they are.” [173:25]

• Matt (on education as control):
  “It was developed as a curriculum that would create a worker just educated enough to do regular tasks, but not…to ask questions and to go…deeper…” [90:10]

• Matt (on suppressed knowledge):
  “Eventually those secret societies…that were supposed to be the ones protecting ancient knowledge…ended up being the gatekeepers of everything.” [87:24]

• Matt (on ancient symbolism):
  “If you take the middle piece, which is like the dividing of realms, and you just take the step pyramids…that’s the most important symbol in South America… it had its origins in Van and then passed all around the world.” [145:00]

• Matt (on Atlantis):
  “I think Galantis was likely a global civilization, but that location, the Azores, was where the city that was described by Plato was…” [202:41]

Significant Moments & Timestamps

• First academic “crack” in Egypt’s timeline with water erosion on Sphinx: [11:45]
• Flash freezing mammoths and instant ice age: [34:10]
• Confirmed vitrification (melted stone) at ancient temple in Turkey: [36:58]
• Discovery of underwater ruins in Lake Van: [23:37 | further analysis at 58:29]
• Describing human creation from the Sumerian “Myth of Adapa”: [172:14–173:25]
• Parallels of step pyramid symbols in Turkey/Peru/Cambodia: [144:59–148:55]
• Discussion of Atlantis, its transmission, and physical evidence: [185:41–204:26]

Closing Thoughts – Matt LaCroix

• Ancient sites and tablets encode lost knowledge about the true nature and powers of humanity; our civilization is a faint echo of their abilities.
• Only by re-opening to this lost knowledge—grounding, mystical practice, objective inquiry—can we reclaim our legacy.

“They left all of this knowledge there for us, we’re just ignoring and we’re not paying attention to it. Whereas it may have the answers to everything that we’re really asking. Like the most important questions of all. Who are we?” [97:01]

Connect/References

• Matt’s website: thestageoftime.com
• YouTube: Matthew LaCroix
• Instagram: @thestageoftime
• Upcoming documentary “The Missing Key” – global adventure with archaeologists, exploring the mysteries discussed.

This summary preserves the intellectual depth, speculation, and urgency of the episode, while organizing the abundant references, field evidence, and philosophical insights Matt and Danny bring to the conversation.