Turning Britain Around: Rupert Lowe on DarkHorse

Summary

DarkHorse Podcast: "Turning Britain Around: Rupert Lowe on DarkHorse"
Date: June 21, 2026
Host: Bret Weinstein
Guest: Rupert Lowe, Member of Parliament & Leader of Restore Britain

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Episode Overview

In this urgent and provocative conversation, Bret Weinstein sits down in the UK with Rupert Lowe—a sitting MP and founder of the Restore Britain movement—to dissect the multifaceted crisis facing Britain and the broader West. Touching on societal decline, the erosion of values and institutions, mass immigration, the rape gang scandal, and systemic censorship, the discussion is a relentless exploration of how Western nations are unraveling and what can be done to resurrect decency, sovereignty, and common sense.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. State of the West and Britain’s Crisis

• Opening Context: The episode was recorded shortly before the public release of the "Rape Gang Inquiry Report" revealing that over 200,000 girls were systematically abused and this was covered up by government authorities. (00:31–01:05)
• Collapse of Western Values: Both Weinstein and Lowe argue that Western countries have drifted far from the values that made them successful; this is described as both a decay and a deliberate attack on the “characteristics that make the West special.” (01:29–02:44)
• Political Parallel: Restore Britain’s mission is compared with Weinstein’s own “Rescue the Republic” in the U.S.—both seeking to return their countries to foundational principles.

2. Generational Blindness and Historical Roots

• Rupert’s Perspective: Post-WWII generations (especially in Britain and Europe) became “complacent,” letting achievements slip away. Lowe laments the rejection of nation-state principles for multiculturalism, which he blames for much of Britain’s difficulties. (02:44–09:07)
• Mass Immigration: Lowe identifies the Blair government’s policies as the linchpin for mass immigration and sees the abandonment of accountability and civic cohesion as a resulting catastrophe.

3. Statism vs. Individualism

• Systemic Takeover: Lowe and Weinstein both accuse the modern state of squeezing out individual freedom and common sense in favor of central control and bureaucratic risk avoidance. Lowe:

  “The problem is we've been dragged so far to the left that anyone who just expresses common sense is considered to be far right. And that is bizarre.” (14:12)

• Austrian Economics & The State: Both endorse minimal government. Lowe:

  "I hate the state and I love the individual. And I watch the state make bad decisions and I watch the individual make good decisions.” (08:22)

• Capturing of Institutions: Extensive critique of how the judiciary, police, and political parties have been infected by corruption, ideological capture, and incompetence. (22:47–25:44)

4. Welfare, Corruption, and Organized Crime

• The Welfare Trap: Lowe laments the unsustainability of the welfare state and the rise of a culture incentivized by state dependency:

  “I see argument to say that our judiciary’s been captured, that our police force has been captured, that all of the organs of the state have been captured.” (22:47)

• Are We Governed by Organized Crime?: Both ponder the extent to which Western societies are in effect governed by rackets, describing a parasitic elite feeding on honest citizens.
  • Weinstein:

    “...you have some sort of de facto organized crime racket... what we experience is the product of that view of us as hosts to a parasite.” (31:52)

5. The Rape Gang Scandal and the Culture of Suppression

• Detailing the Scandal: Lowe outlines the scale of the rape gang crisis, critiquing both Labour and Conservative Parties for cover-ups and for prioritizing power over the welfare of citizens.

  “This is the, basically the mass grooming and abuse of white working class English girls by largely Pakistani Muslims.” (58:52)

• Why It Was Covered Up:
  • Fear of being labeled ‘racist’ paralyzed authorities and press (57:56–61:27)
  • The term “Asian grooming gangs” deliberately obfuscates perpetrators’ backgrounds (81:01)
• Parallel Legal Systems: Lowe reveals there are 85 Sharia courts operating in the UK, functioning outside British law, a symbol of failed integration (61:17–62:28)

6. Censorship, Free Speech, and Social Media

• Attacks on Dissent: Both discuss how calling out this corruption results in accusations of far-right extremism; Lowe and Weinstein have personally been smeared as “neo Nazis” and “white supremacists.” (41:41–57:06)
• Role of Elon Musk & X: Lowe thanks Elon Musk for making X (formerly Twitter) a true free-speech platform, which has forced more openness across social media (42:28)
• Dangers of State-Controlled Narrative: They argue that the education system and corporate media propagate state-sanctioned untruths while using stigma—such as accusations of racism—to silence dissent (64:00–67:30)

7. Corruption and Democracy’s Erosion

• Electoral Integrity:
  • Both rail against postal voting and lack of voter ID, which they see as designed to facilitate fraud (53:12–55:48)
  • Lowe: “Otherwise it’s one man, one woman, one vote in the polling booth. That’s the only way that it can work.”
  • Weinstein bemoans how the design of U.S. elections cynically invites fraud (55:48–56:26)

8. The Covid Catastrophe: Censorship, Profit, and Public Health

• Shared Skepticism: Both are outspoken critics of the Covid response and vaccine rollouts.
• Possible Motives for Covid Response:
  • They entertain a range of explanations, from obscene profits for pharmaceutical companies (84:22–85:05) to darker hypotheses about bioweapons and population control (85:05–89:46).
  • Lowe: "Was Covid about money or was it about some attempt to control population...?"
  • Weinstein: “The best possible explanation... is that a psychopathic pharma industry decided that the mRNA platform was the ultimate cash cow… There are much darker possibilities here.”

9. The Need for Moral Clarity and Common Sense Resistance

• Encouraging Standing Up: Both repeatedly stress the need for ordinary, decent citizens to cast off fear and stigma, speak honest truths, and participate—before it's too late.
  • Weinstein:

    "The time to stand up is now. What seems to be obviously happening in front of you really is obviously happening and it's not your responsibility to prove it. That simply logically putting together the structure is, is good enough.” (90:55–91:51)

• On Immigration:
  • Immigration is not inherently negative but must serve the nation and require integration and respect for laws and values (94:45–95:13)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Western Decline:

  • Ruiz Lowe: “It's almost a sort of cancer which is eating away at the soul of Anglo Saxon economies and countries, and it's almost by design.” (08:00)

• On State Power:

  • Brett: “They are actually depending on us to defeat them in order to preserve the system that they are currently draining.” (33:11)

• On Free Speech:

  • Lowe: “Free speech is the most important thing… because it means you can discuss anything, you can debate anything... and you get at the truth.” (42:28)

• On the Rape Gang Scandal:

  • Lowe: “The genesis of the rape gang was... fear of being called a racist by almost every state body has meant that they weren't prepared to look into this in the way they should have done.” (58:52)

• On Accusations and Stigma:

  • Brett: “Yes, if you start listening to Rupert, they're going to call you names, really ugly ones... But it's your responsibility to say, you know what? There's no merit in that accusation. Prove it, right? Just stare it down.” (57:06)

• On Education and Indoctrination:

  • Lowe: “...the whole sort of weird philosophy that... is now permeated throughout all our schools, is creating people who don't know the truth. And when people don't know the truth, that's the danger.” (67:30)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:31: Introduction to the Rape Gang Inquiry Report
• 02:44: Rupert Lowe on accused of far-right views & loss of British identity
• 14:12: Discussion on left–right politics, accountability, and common sense
• 22:47: “Are we governed by organized crime?”
• 31:52: Weinstein on organized crime and the parasitic class
• 41:41: Media attacks and the risk of honest dissent
• 57:56: Stigmatization and the rape gang scandal’s media cover-up
• 61:17–62:28: Emergence of parallel legal systems (Sharia courts)
• 64:00: Discussion of state suppression and educational system failure
• 75:52: Covid, censorship, and the “nudge team” in government
• 84:22–89:46: Speculation on Covid motives; pharmaceutical profits to bioweapon scenarios
• 90:55–91:51: Weinstein’s closing statement on urgency and activism
• 94:45–95:13: Immigration and the necessity of integration

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Conclusion

This episode is a clarion call for urgent action, blending historical context, political analysis, raw outrage, and a plea for moral clarity. Weinstein and Lowe argue that the foundational structures of reason, fairness, and security are being systematically demolished by self-serving elites and cultural cowardice. Their message: Only by rediscovering and enforcing common sense, individually and collectively, can Western societies hope to survive and thrive. Every listener is urged not simply to be aware, but to become an active participant in restoring sanity and sovereignty to public life.

Transcript

[Podcast Host]

This is one of those episodes you're really going to want to listen to. I was recently in the United Kingdom and I felt it was urgent that I sit down with Rupert Lowe. Rupert is a Member of Parliament. He's also the founder of Restore Britain, which is an effort quite parallel, to rescue the Republic, which I co founded here in the U.S. in this episode, we discuss the state of the west, the state of Britain, and we also talk about the Rape Gang Report, which was released only a day or two after we recorded this episode.

[Rupert Lowe]

Huge bombshell news today. The rape Gang inquiry report has just been published in full.

[Podcast Host]

That report is now of course, on everyone's mind because it suggests that more than 200,000 girls and young women were systematically raped in Britain and that those rapes were then covered up by the British government. This scandal reveals how the collapse of Western values and the corruption of our systems are all tied together and the consequences all are ghastly. So have a listen and see what you think.

[Brett]

Hey folks, welcome to the Dark Horse podcast, Inside Rail. I have the true honor of sitting with Rupert Lowe, who is a member of the British Parliament and the leader of the Restore Britain, what was a movement and is now a party. Rupert, welcome to Dark Horse.

[Rupert Lowe]

Thank you, Brett. I'm glad you've survived doing battle with Great Western Railways on your way down here.

[Brett]

Yes, well, there were some self inflicted wounds along the way, so my audience is largely not going to be familiar with you. Those that are familiar are likely to have seen on social media several months back an announcement that you did about the need to Restore Britain. And I will tell you, I wasn't aware of you before I saw that announcement and when I did see resonated with me very strongly. As you may or may not know, I have been part of a movement to defend the West. The version of it that we have is called Rescue the Republic. And when I heard you speak about Restore Britain, really the themes are very much the same. Something seems to be attacking the characteristics that make the west special. It looks increasingly deliberate and for those who understand the role that the west plays, it's a very frightening turn of events. So thank you for making the time to talk to me about it. How do you see what is happening to Britain and to the larger West?

[Rupert Lowe]

Well, look, as you, as you've seen today, I'm accused of basically being a neo Nazi. Well, I've given you a book on our family company. I run multiple family businesses. We employ multiple staff. I guess a bit like you. I was brought up in an era when everything did work. I think the war had been won. I was born in 1957. The war had been won. We had fought two world wars in relatively quick succession and I think people respected peace. As we know. Freedom is a very fragile commodity. And I think what's happened is the post war generation, who arguably played a small part in winning the war, the generation that won the war was really, in my view, the First World War and the Second World War generation who fought, most of whom have now died sadly. The next generation, I think, got the benefit of that and they've taken their eye off the ball now. You're quite right. I, I think if we watch what the hands are doing, not what the mouths are saying. We've seen both. Well, particularly Britain, Europe and arguably to a lesser extent the us. Whether you're protected by your constitution, which I have the highest regard for, the Founding Fathers, even if a lot of it was founded on, on our own. 17, 1688, Bill of Rights, 1689 Bill of Rights. So, So I think what's happened is, as you say, a bit like the sand slipping through the hourglass. We've watched what was the most amazing period slip through our fingers and we now see things that don't make sense. So I say that the entire establishment here, particularly and in Europe post war, went to the left. I think they decided that the nation state was evil and that some form of multicultural cohesion across Europe, hence the, the sort of obsession with free freedom of movement, which, which, which is why we've got these problems largely in Europe. Equally, our government passed various acts which enabled immigrate, mass immigration in waves, which culminated really in the Tony Blair government, which I think was the root cause of most of it. But I've witnessed during my 68 years and I, look, I've got four children, I've always lived by the law, I've respected the rule of law and I have tried to live my life honestly and pay my taxes and participate. And I've got an interesting career which we can talk about. Very unusual career, involving also being chairman of a Premier League football club, building football stadium, 20 years in the city of London, lots of travel. I've been, you know, I've done lots of things, so I, I've become very concerned about the fact that nothing seems to add up. And if you've got the context that I was brought up in, and you saw beer and sandwiches in number 10 with the trade unions when they were too powerful to the Thatcher revolution, where arguably it may have gone Too far the other way. And there was too much individualism. And you saw, in the late 80s, you saw a big revival in church going, particularly sort of evangelical church going, because when people, I think, become obsessed with money, they lose sight of what their life is all about and they then seek something. Now when there's no money, they're so worried about putting food on the table. When there's too much money, then they look for other things. So the human soul is never at peace with itself. And I think what's happened is we've had this move and shift to the left, this attempt to destroy the roots of the nation state, which embeds within it decency and honesty and common sense and logic, and above all else, the protection of the people who basically built the country into what it is through participating in its history, paying taxes, basically driving the culture. And we have arguably the most successful country on earth in terms of what we've invented and, and what we've done. You know, we get criticized for the slave trade and everything else, but it's actually us who ended it at huge cost to ourselves. But we've got this, this I call, it's almost a sort of cancer which is eating away at the soul of Anglo Saxon economies and countries, and it's almost by design. And again, I know you've played a lot, a big part in this Covid nonsense, which I also fought hard against and lost many friends as a result of. But again, that was suspiciously to me, an era where I felt that I'd lost control of my life. I felt that things didn't make sense, that the state was taking control of my life. And I'm probably like you very much an Austrian school economist. I hate the state and I love the individual. And I watch the state make bad decisions and I watch the individual make good decisions. And I wonder why it is that we continue to march down the sort of root of statism which has historically always failed almost every civilization that's embraced it. And most, the most recent example being the ussr. Whereas I always say to survive in, in the ussr, you had to be a good liar and you had to avoid making any decisions which might, might, might mean that you either lost your position or your head. So, so look, I, I, I like you. I'm very, I am very concerned. Hence, at 68, I'm, I, I mean, people say to me, why are you doing this? You're rich enough to go and live your life and do different things. Well, I have four children, I've been married, and I Think I'd be doing less than my duty if I literally just went and lived back an alien existence, traveling around the world, having fun and indulging myself, which is what a lot of my friends do.

[Brett]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Brett]

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[Podcast Host]

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[Brett]

Well, I do think there is a longer conversation to be had about the tension between left and right. And I will say my position. I come from the left. My position has evolved quite a lot. I do think there is a shared responsibility for the present collapse. Part of it comes from the right, part of it comes from the left. I'm much more concerned about the aspect that the left is in charge of at the moment. But in any case, we, I think both intuit that there is something systematic and intentional about the elimination of the structures that have made all of the marvelous things that have taken place in the west possible. And it is a little hard to wrap the mind around why those with power would do this. It does not. Yes, I can imagine that they might have short term objectives, but long term it appears to be the killing of the goose that lays the golden eggs.

[Rupert Lowe]

And

[Brett]

it is hard to imagine that they will produce a replacement that even serves their interest, whoever they might be.

[Rupert Lowe]

Well, it seems to me, Brett, that the thing they're most frightened of is the individual. And we talked before this interview about Elon Musk, who's criticized now for being the first trillionaire. Well, why can't we celebrate his success? He's been the most successful entrepreneur on earth. He has created by buying X a free speech platform which to some extent I think has challenged this malignancy which, which you're talking about. And I agree with you, I, I think, and I don't consider myself either left or right, I just think I'm, I'm based, I'm founded on common sense. The problem is we've been dragged so far to the left that anyone who just expresses common sense is considered to be far right. And that is bizarre. And even today you've seen in the papers, you know, we're being attacked because we've got supposedly neo Nazi supporters. Well, I don't know of any party that does an audit of its membership. And at the end of the day I think if you have those misguided people making decisions within your party, that's one, one argument which I think merits discussion. But if people want to sign up and support the party and come and canv for the party, I don't know of any party that audits its membership. And equally, I think a lot of the damage is done not by necessarily the right. Some is, and I detest far right, sort of, you know, ethno nationalist or neo Nazism. I've never been driven by that. Equally, I'm not driven by what I call the malign left, which actually is capable of equal evil, if not more evil. And yet because they're left wing, they're not required to audit their membership, they're not criticized when some person on the left of the party does something equally as morally repugnant as somebody on the right. So you've got this almost, you know, left is good and right is bad. And what happens is we've been dragged so far to the left in this country by obviously Tony Blair originally. So Thatcher left us with a hugely good legacy in terms of economically we were incredibly sound, we had very little national debt, we'd rebuilt a lot of our industries, we'd obviously move with the times and we cleansed a lot of the rubbish. And capitalism, if you believe in capitalism, which I do, you have to believe in failure. So failure is a good thing, not a bad thing. It cleanses the system. The problem is we've had this post war society which has believed that any form of risk needs to be systemically managed and that's usually by printing money and debasing the currency. So as I've given a speech on this in Parliament, I actually think a lot of the moral decline comes back to the fact that we don't have sound currency and Ultimately, every time we have a problem, we print some more money, we print more paper. There's no link now to a gold standard or any other standard, which is why again that you see, see the, the cryptocurrencies and particular Bitcoin, which is the reserve currency of crypto gaining ground. So I, I, everything's become fluid somehow, Brett. But I, I do, you can't help saying, and thinking, and I agree with you, that there seems to be a greater design to try and destroy everything that's made us great. And that means people like you and I, as you say, arguably not natural bedfellows in terms of our politics. And I've read about your brave situation again over the COVID crisis. And as I said, one of my team loves your work. I didn't know that till I said we were doing this interview today. But look, there's something wrong. There's something wrong in the state of Rome and sensible people from everywhere need to get together and fight it and restore common sense and fairness so that what made us great can continue to flourish. And I, you know, most of our support is young people and I feel for the young people, again I mentioned this generation who didn't fight the war, but they've had the benefits of the peace and they've got immense wealth which they've built up and they're now de risking our economy in order to basically underwrite their own retirement. And they're not recycling the wealth that they've been fortunate enough to make, not because they're necessarily brilliant, but because they've had the conditions post war to actually build up wealth, build up success. And instead of using that to cascade down to the younger generations and help them, they're selfishly trying to guard it like a sort of cuckoo guards another bird's nest. So I, so I, I, I, I'm young people, I'm with the people who've been left behind. And I hate seeing this welfare culture. And you know, in Britain now we've got a situation where I think we spend 334 billion a year on welfare and we collect 331 billion in taxes. Well, meanwhile, our national debt's going through the roof. Tell me that's sustainable. It isn't. So something's got to be done. And it's been an eye opener to me to be in Parliament with a group of people who, I mean, look, there's some, there's some people who are clearly clever, but do they possess common sense, any of them? No, none of them do. And none of Them have had a career, really most of them are, particularly the Labour Party are guided by this, this malign Fabian society ideology which I think is embedded within the Labour Party now. And most of the Tories after Blair. Cameron admired Blair so much that he took the Tory party far, far to the left with the, with the one nation Tories. So whilst you've got some very good young Tories, you've still got a lot of one nation Tories who control, if you like a whole, that they're shadow, they're shading out the people below them who, who are what I would call genuine Conservatives or Tories. So look, it's, it is a conundrum and it's great that you know, people like you and I can get together and talk about it because I think it is a conversation everybod need to start having as a matter of urgency.

[Brett]

Yes. And one of the things that I hope emerges from that conversation is an effort to actually enumerate what we now understand, the principles that ought to galvanize us to be so. For example, if I were to lay it out, I would say that governance is necessary, that it is a necessary evil, that is to say it should be minimized. That the test of whether any policy is valid and desirable is whether or not its impact is to net liberate individuals. Over the long term, that inequality of outcome is actually desirable. You want people who create wealth to live better because that incentivizes the creation of wealth and the creation of true wealth enriches us all. Much of what looks like the creation of wealth is actually rent seeking and the ability to profit as you destroy wealth should be to the best of our ability, forbidden. The market shouldn't reward you for destroying wealth, and yet it does in many cases. I would say there's a difference between failure that comes from bad judgment. When your failure comes from bad judgment, you need to suffer the consequences of it, whether you're a banker or a janitor. But when we face true random bad luck, a tumor that comes from nowhere, that there's, it's desirable to socialize the impacts of those things so that nobody suffers profoundly and we all pay our share of those random misfortunes. So anyway, I think you could list in this way what is common sense that really people like you and I should have almost no disagreement over.

[Rupert Lowe]

Well, again, to your point, that did happen, and I agree with you totally. There has to be a safety net for those people who are genuinely in need of support from society. It did happen now, naturally. Interestingly, in Britain, you know, in our most successful financial year, it happened by osmosis through the friendly societies. And because there is goodness in the individual, I never think there's goodness in the state. The state has no conscience, an individual does. So that's why individualism is so much more desirable than statism. I, I think, but I have to say we have to question, and I think this is something we, I have, I've asked myself a lot, do you think now that we are in the hands of organized crime? That's the question I ask myself. Because in this country I see illogical things happening. I see an argument to say that our judiciary's been captured, that our police force has been captured, that all of the organs of the state have been captured. And things like this unbelievable evil of the rape gang which is going, rape gangs which is going on everywhere across Britain as we sit here speaking now and nothing's been done about it, which is quite extraordinary when they're locking up people for social media posts on the other side of the equation. So I, I wonder, are we in the hands of organized crime? Are there people who put their own monetary well being ahead of what's right and wrong? Because to your, your point, which I totally agree with, you have to, for that to work, we have to all start on the basis that we, we all share the same objectives, which is we, we share the objective to try and improve the operation of mankind for everybody, for the, for the majority of people. And AI is going to make that difficult. But, but that is still an objective which should ultimately govern how we all get on with each other. And I, I've always thought your attitude towards wealth in America is better than ours. Ours which is basically poisoned, I think, by the class system. So in America, the New World, you basically celebrate success to a far greater extent than we do. And instead of feeling jealous, people say, well, he's done well or she's done well and I want to emulate them. Whereas here it's oh, well, he must have done it by being dishonest or, you know, he might, or she must have broken the rules to do it. And it's, you know, there's a, there's a dislike of people who are successful. I think we should celebrate difference. We should celebrate people who are, as you say, able, who actually improve the way in which things operate. As you, as your Abraham Lincoln said, you don't make the poor richer by making the rich poorer. And the question is, do you believe it's the individual who should be driving the wealth creation? Or do you think it's the State? Well, I'm firmly in the camp that it's always going to be the individual.

[Brett]

And anybody who thinks it's the state doesn't understand the state.

[Rupert Lowe]

Just look at their bad decision making. I mean, in England, you know, we, or Britain, we've had, you know, the infected blood scandal, we've had the post Office scandal, we've had the Windrush scandal, we've had Covid, we've got the rape gangs. I mean, the decision making is appalling and what happens is then they deny, deny, deny until the people responsible have retired or gone and then they admit they got it wrong and then there's a massive scheme to recompense people who suffered. So no, the decision making is terrible. Just look at what the State does. Look at the ussr, look at the bad decisions they made. But, but unfortunately you've got a whole subculture of people now here who feed off the state of the teat of the state. So it's in their interest to propagate statism because they're incapable of competing in an open free market because they know they're not competent. And I see this every week now on the Public Accounts Committee, which I sit on in Parliament. And you can, you can watch it. It's, it's, it's, it's a public taped hearing. And I see the most appalling ineptitude, the most appalling dishonesty, the most appalling lack of accountability from our civil service. Because like any company, the ministers are supposed to be the board and the civil service is supposed to be the people carrying out the instructions of the board. Well, if the board doesn't know what it's doing, the people, the people in positions of execution basically just run riot. And that's what you've seen. So you've seen increasing numbers of them, bigger pensions, less accountability, working from home, all of the things that. I mean, some of them work from Bali, for goodness sake. You know, that's just all got to stop. But it's just a seam of dishonesty that runs through the entire country. And I think that can lead to this, what I call unhealthy relationship with organized crime. Because a bit like Italy, where you get the wealth in Milan, which is probably the richest part of Europe, the Po Valley and all that wonderful banking in Milan and things, you've got vast wealth transfers down to the south of Italy, which is very poor, you get corruption. And similarly, when a state is dishing out money, you get corruption you get corruption from the people dishing it out, you get corruption from people receiving it. So in the end you undermine the whole basis of an honest, what I call Protestant society. And one of the best books I, I like is, is Max Weber the Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism. So look, I, I as I say Austrian school economics, minimal, minimal state. You need a state as you say for defense, for various things. Obviously the law. But our we, we set ourselves up as this sort of scion of honest judiciary. Well it's not. The judiciary's now become corrupt. The judges with the creation of the Supreme Court by Tony Blair in 2005 has undermined, become a woke quango. The guidance to our magistrates is soft and that has enabled a two tier legal system which has propagated a two tier police force. So we have to stop all that. And that's is that far right to say that? I don't think it is. I think it's extraordinary. Anybody could think any other way but they do. As you see, they're now worried because the most exciting thing for me is what's happened in our Norfolk local elections and more recently on Saturday in Makerfield is we've got real decent people. They're calling these people neo Nazis. These aren't neo Nazis. Most of them are housewives and mothers and concerned women and people who want to your point, common sense to prevail. They're actually turning out. The story should be there's a stirring in Britain of honest decent people who've had enough. And I think I can't stress enough how important it is. And I say to them every time I address them this cannot be about one man or one small group of people. This has got to be about everybody because it's only going to change when the entire population, the penny drops and they realize they're being hoodwinked. And whether it's organized crime, whether it's this malign post war philosophy which is driving multiculturalism which as we know is doomed to failure unless everybody integrates and unless they respect the culture and the religion of the host country, it will fail. It has to fail and it'll end very badly. So I think we've all got to start asking ourselves why has it all gone so wrong? Why haven't we got. And I, you know, given you a book on our family business. We've employed people there for 50 years. They work for us 40 years, 30 years. There's a list of employees there my father he treated as part of the. They were all part of the family. And that's what used to happen when you had a Britain based on what I call family businesses and the private sector. You had accountability, because if things were wrong, you would go to see the principal and you could say, this isn't right. Why are you doing this? Whereas if you're working for some faceless, multicultural corporation owned by faceless shareholders, the board puts an HR department between you and them and they. Then they live the life of O'Reilly and they're completely unaccountable. So I just. I just think it's. Everything we've seen has led to a lack of accountability by the people in positions of influence and power. And if the people want. Want their country back or want their freedom back or want their individualism back, I'm afraid they're going to have to stand up and make their intentions clear peacefully and through the ballot box. But if they don't stand up, they're going to, I think, suffer the consequences, which are, I think, increasingly unpleasant when I look at it.

[Brett]

They will suffer the consequences or their children and grandchildren will.

[Rupert Lowe]

Correct.

[Brett]

But to the question you asked, you know, are we somehow under the control of organized crime? I mean, I actually think the answer is obviously, yes, obviously. And that one of the dynamics that is not well understood is that you have some sort of de facto organized crime racket, or maybe it's multiple rackets in competition. But what we experience is that is the product of that view of us as, you know, hosts to a parasite, but it has managed to sway a large number of people on the left into a revolt against the West. So you have this parasite that fears good governance because good governance would forbid it.

[Rupert Lowe]

Well, they're all making money out of it, Brett.

[Brett]

Right. They're all making money out of it,

[Rupert Lowe]

whether it's the regulators, the judiciary, the solicitors, the barristers. These people create nothing.

[Brett]

Right?

[Rupert Lowe]

They feed, as you say. I use the same term, a parasite. They are a parasite on the back of a host animal. The problem is they've nearly killed the host animal and that this is why we've got to stand up now, because otherwise the poor old host is going to disappear. And what happens to the parasites when the host dies? I have to find another host.

[Brett]

That's exactly where I was going. They are actually depending on us to defeat them in order to preserve the system that they are currently draining.

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[Brett]

darkhorse so you and I would agree that for your average person, the answer is actually a slam dunk. It's common sense. It's right ahead of them. They have very little to be angry at their neighbors over. They need to be angry at the people who are actually literally bankrupting them, using the power of the state against them. But they don't see it because there's a narrative that the two sides have been handed about who the enemy is. And for the left, you know, you said something a few minutes ago about people who were incapable, and I think this is the perfect place to see the fault of the left and the fault of the right and how they work synergistically. So what I see in the US is a vast number of people who by the time they reach adulthood are so damaged by the bad mythology that they've been.

[Rupert Lowe]

But that's the educational system 100%. So I think the 60s you had this culture which was fed into our schools. So instead of being brought up to believe in the nation state and the history of your country and your religion, you've been undermined by an ideology which is basically a Fabian ideology, if you like.

[Brett]

It's a garbage ideology. It leaves the people who take it on incapable of doing anything at the point they reach adulthood. Many are also so chemically damaged by poisons in the food, by pharmaceuticals that you can imagine if you've got 10, 15% of the population that correctly understands we live in a competitive society and we have been disarmed the things with which we might compete, we don't have control over them. So those people have no interest in preserving the system and they've been turned into foot soldiers of whatever the organized crime racket is.

[Rupert Lowe]

Exactly.

[Brett]

And they are attacking the West.

[Rupert Lowe]

But that's, that's, I think that's to our point about organized crime. That's, that is the, if you like, the consequence of what this, as I call it, malign philosophy has done to our society. And as a result of that, you know, you say, because again, if you, if you've got this statism, what does statism want to do? Create more dependency on the state. And that's ultimately what they're doing. And what they've also been doing is don't forget they've been, as the private sector has shrunk and shrunk and shrunk, they've been taxing the private sector more and more. So those people who do care, who are decent and want to contribute, and there are still a lot of them in this country, I'm always encouraged by the innate decency of most human beings here because there is still a relic of what happened in the past here. But if you hollow out the private sector and you make them run faster and faster like a hamster on a wheel, in order to pay the bills, to collect the tax, to collect the vat, to collect the pensions, to deal with all the regulations to the tax code here is 22, 2 and a half, 22 and a half thousand pages to actually. And what they do is they use that as a weapon. So if somebody questions the system, they get hit with a tax investigation and there's find some abstruse rule, you know, as you know, and he was Tacitus who said the more rules, the more corrupt the state. So at the end of the day, you've got this, it's almost a perfect storm. And if people don't break out of it, it is going to destroy us all and we need to all stand up to it. But also taxes, you know, I see, you know, an honest person here gets taxed into oblivion. You get, you pay income tax, as I've just mentioned, all the taxes you collect and gift wrap you to the state, then you, you've got VAT on everything. You spend got regulations coming out of their ears which again is just to oppress people. And meanwhile there are foreign countries, you know, pumping oil, who pay no tax, who come and enjoy all the benefits of a safe society here which is funded by an increasingly oppressed base voter base here who don't have time to think properly. So I think to your point, they've got to lift their heads up and start looking. Rather than being trapped by what has happened to them, they need to look up and start working out. To your point, why are things like they are? Why are the increasingly small number of enterprising people being driven into the ground by this culture of indolence which, which is being fostered by the white collar workers who I'm hoping will be destroyed by AI I'm hoping AI will take out most of the lawyers and the barristers and the solicitors and the, you know, the judges, because the judges are corrupt here now. And, and, and it's, I think your judges have always argued being slightly more corrupt than ours. And as you know, state by state you have different, you have different judiciaries and different sort of prot. Very often you know, the judge is a friend or you know, of other local people and you don't necessarily get good justice everywhere. I think you'd probably expect to get less good justice in Arkansas than you might in other parts of America. So you know, but here now I think we've become, we've arguably become quite corrupt and that's what we've got to end.

[Brett]

Well, you know, corruption is an interesting word because of course it has a financial meaning but just the simple breakdown of signal flowing through the system.

[Rupert Lowe]

Well, look at Chicago, look at Los Angeles, look at the crime, look at, oh, look at what's happening in parts of America where you get these, these Democrat.

[Brett]

The system has been corrupted as sure as if San Francisco hard disk drive had been, you know, had a magnet disrupt the data on it. So our system doesn't work. But to your point about people waking up, I believe this is the reason that we face so much of this Orwellian nonsense over social media posts and the like, which is that actually what is taking place. It's hard to put your finger on exactly why it works the way it does. But that things are desperately wrong is obvious. Anyone can see it. And what prevents them from standing up en masse is fear. They have understandable fears based on real consequences that if they, for example, acknowledge that they're listening to you, they are going to be, you know, tarred with A stigma like that. And, you know, I faced the same thing. There's not a white supremacist.

[Rupert Lowe]

This is quite an extraordinary headline. The only thing you can say is, all publicity is good publicity. And having tried to give us nothing for nine months and actually withdraw any form of media for us, now they're all over us like a cheap suit with headlines like this. But I think the majority of people who know me, who come to our canvassing, they know that we're not. We're normal people. And this is. They're calling normal people neo Nazis. That shows you they're worried.

[Brett]

It does show you that they're worried. And it tells you that the right thing to be hoping for and cultivating is the courage to stare down these stigmas. Because once you realize that a. They are deploying these sorts of exotic accusations because they do have something to fear, that's a good sign, right?

[Podcast Host]

That means.

[Rupert Lowe]

Well, they do. And as I think I said earlier, that we owe a huge debt of gratitude to Elon Musk, because as you know, my social media is now very big on all the platforms, particularly on Facebook now and X, but also on LinkedIn, on Instagram, on TikTok, all of them. And we owe that to Elon Musk because he bought Twitter for whatever it was, 44 billion. He got rid of 80% of the staff, and it now works like clockwork. But it is truly a free speech platform. And this is, again, what I think people misunderstand about Elon Musk, which is why he probably gets the equivalent amount of flak to me and arguably you, for different reasons, is he's created this free speech platform. And we used to see it before when I was in the European Parliament, when I set up my social media accounts, we saw in the old days, the algorithm. If it didn't like what we were saying, it shut us down. And Facebook used to do the same. But once Elon Musk had actually, truly set up a free speech platform. And I believe he, you know, people say he uses the algorithm to help us. He doesn't. He allows criticism himself on his own platform. Now, he's a highly principled individual who wants open free speech. Free speech is the most important thing which is embedded into your constitution and our. And our Bill of Rights, because it means you can discuss anything, you can debate anything, you can actually raise any issue, however off the wall it is. But at least you discuss it and you get at the truth. So I think he's highly principled. And what's happened is because of him. Facebook had to change the way they were operating. And partly there's a guy called Nick Clegg, you may know who it was in coalition government with Cameron. He worked for Facebook and he left Facebook. I suspect it was partly because Zuckerberg had to change the way in which Facebook operated because otherwise X was going to leave him behind. And that has been done now. And actually Facebook is an incredibly powerful tool that we use as well. So again, most of the political establishment are a bit slow. They haven't spotted the game and our social media is now bigger than most newspapers and we owe it to them in a way because they wouldn't cover us, they ignored us. Once Nigel Farage had politically assassinated me. I'm never asked on GB News now. I mean, it's just a running joke. They're supposed to be set up to compete with the BBC and offer a free speech platform and look at all the different views. Well, they don't. It's basically Nigel Farage's broadcasting channel and they've gone all in Farage as have many of the other newspapers, which is why I think he's managed opposition. And knowing Nigel as I do, I just don't think he's equipped to lead a team of people. I mean, they haven't produced policy, we produce policy. I've given you a cross section of some of our policies. We've got more to come because you can only rebuild this if you get the backing of the democratic majority and you then have a plan. And that was my issue with Nigel. He didn't have a plan, he hasn't got a policy plan. And you have to do it by policies basically, which deregulate, which cut the size of the state. And as you cut the size of the state, so you cut taxes and you empower the individual. So you've got to have an economic policy, you've got to have an energy policy, which is key, which I've given you a copy of that that's in your pack so you can get it all off our website. So the economic policy should be out after Makerfield, which I played a big part in writing that. But you gotta have a plan, Brett, because I, as I said to Nigel, if you win the election, which we looked like we were going to do when, when I sat down with him in, in December 24, I said, you've got to have a plan if we win the election. We can't just go into this with no plan. You are fighting the hydra. You cut one head off 10 op. You've got to have a plan to cut those 10 off and keep cutting them off until the hydra dies. But if you don't have that plan, you, you, you, the British people will judge you harshly. Now, as I said to you earlier, I don't know if it's rescuable, but it certainly isn't rescuable if we don't all try.

[Brett]

Not only that, the thing people don't understand is however difficult it is to rescue it now, a year from now it will be harder. And a year after that, still much harder.

[Rupert Lowe]

And it won't mean nirvana. It's not going to be comfortable. No, because when you, when you come off printed money and you actually have to live a real life, it's a bit like withdrawing from, from, from drugs. At the end of the day you have, you have to have a bit of cold turkey and you have to start doing some honest work and being honest about, about where you are, who you are and what you want to achieve. And I'm not sure that our society, to your point, is that certainly a lot of people aren't equipped to do that well, so it could be a bit of a shock.

[Brett]

A lot of people aren't equipped to address this as the tip of the spear. But you know, a society can face this together. But my concern is that because organized crime is more than a metaphor here, because that's an actual description of the structures that seem to have taken power. They don't stand still and over time they erode the very tools that you need to oust them. They cannot be ousted. And you know, in the US at the moment, we are scratching our heads over just how much power is left in our electoral process.

[Rupert Lowe]

Because do you think it started, Brett, with roosevelt undermining the 9th and 10th amendment in order to perpetrate the New Deal, which he had to do, which again, were two absolute central planks of your, of your Constitution. And I, you know, I love those Founding Fathers, Jefferson, Madison, Adams, all of them, Washington. They're great, great men. I think again, you see, that was the first systemic intervention. And in order to do it, my view is he had to undermine the ninth and tenth Amendment from which the federal government has grown like a weed. And as you know, there's more corruption within federal government than anything else. I mean, do you think that was the beginning of the end or was it the creation of the Federal Reserve?

[Brett]

Creation of the Federal Reserve is a fair argument, but I struggle to know what the beginning was. And I start to wonder if that's even the Wrong way to think about it. If in effect the beauty of what the founding fathers did was that they architected a game theoretically stable self correcting structure, but it was a prototype and over time the gaming of that structure has reduced its balance, has reduced its self correcting tendency. And so, you know, the creation of the Federal Reserve. I think there's a private company, Right.

[Rupert Lowe]

Quite extraordinary.

[Brett]

Yes. Well, what exactly it is is not so clear, but it's certainly not a public entity in the way most people

[Rupert Lowe]

imagine bailing out LTCM in 99 offshore company bailed out by the US taxpayer. I thought that was quite extraordinary. If that isn't dishonest, I don't know what is.

[Brett]

Well, we could be here all day listing examples of things that don't smell in this regard. There's also the question of whether or not what happened in 1963 was a coup and whether or not the thing that took power in 1963 ever surrendered it. So.

[Rupert Lowe]

Well, that would be the military complex, probably, wouldn't it? If anybody was responsible for that appalling assassination, that would be the military.

[Brett]

The military industrial complex.

[Rupert Lowe]

Correct.

[Brett]

Right. And so anyway, we're sort of of grappling with describing a structure.

[Rupert Lowe]

Where does the truth lie?

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Rupert Lowe]

This is the problem.

[Brett]

We don't know. But it is apparently true that we still retain some power at the ballot box. I think it would be fair to say that something has developed the capacity to put its thumb on the scales of our elections. Therefore, in order to defeat the structure that has the power to put its thumb on the scales, you have to win by a significant margin.

[Rupert Lowe]

I agree.

[Brett]

It's not the way the system is supposed to function at all, but nonetheless, that's the reality.

[Rupert Lowe]

Well, in Norfolk, when we won the council elections the other day, you could have halved all of our votes and we'd still have one. So there was no, there was no room for fraud in that result. But you know, if it's close, there's room for. Well, particularly with postal voting. Yes. And late, you know, block votes arriving by car and police escort. Complete abuse.

[Brett]

Not even just postal voting. But you know, we've been looking at the Spencer Pratt's defeat in the LA mayoral race.

[Rupert Lowe]

Good man, by the way, running a great AI campaign.

[Brett]

Sure looks to be. I mean, at least he's saying common sense things. If he carried through on his word, he'd be leaps and bounds better than the current governance of Los Angeles. But of course, he's now just failed to get to the runoff in an election that doesn't make much sense in terms of the difference between the mail in ballots and the ballots that were counted day of. And one thing I would say, if you look at the elections in California at the moment, and it's true also in Oregon and Washington, the other blue states, states, it's hard to prove fraud or rigging, but it's easy to see that it's there. You can't prove it, so you sniff

[Rupert Lowe]

dirty work at the crossroads, you can detect it.

[Brett]

But I think the strongest piece of evidence that what we're detecting is actually real is that the structure of the elections themselves invites fraud. And it invites fraud that would disproportionately serve the dominant party. So the dominant party has used its power to make elections that make it very hard to dislodge, even when the public is livid.

[Rupert Lowe]

Well, our policy is to effectively only allow postal votes on a very limited basis to those in the armed services and those who are terminally ill. Otherwise it's one man, one woman, one vote in the polling booth. That's the only way that it can work.

[Brett]

I would agree with you and I would say we have been sold a bill of goods, that the idea that getting the maximum number of votes is desirable and therefore we should tolerate all of the noise and room for skullduggery that that opens is absurd. What you want is a representative vote that doesn't have to be, you know, bringing in every last person who lives remote from a polling place. And that. And what I remember, what you will certainly remember as well, is that the way it used to be in the U.S. for example, the military voted absentee because they had to. A few people who would be traveling during an election managed to get an absentee vote, but it wasn't enough votes to sway very many elections. In general, people voted at their polling place on the day of.

[Rupert Lowe]

Which is how it should be.

[Brett]

Which is how it should be. It means a. There's no confusion about why, who is winning. You know, did something happen in the week during which people are voting that caused their opinion to flip?

[Rupert Lowe]

And actually, if you look at the legality of, of voting here, the people who constructed the system did see the, the scope for electoral fraud. And there are actually quite a lot of protections for sealing boxes from polling booths and polling stations. Where the fraud comes in, to your point, is always the postal vote, right?

[Brett]

It's always the postal vote which neutralizes the best protection the public ever had for the sanctity of its elections, which was exit polls.

[Rupert Lowe]

Correct.

[Brett]

We can't conduct an exit poll, when people are voting by mail, and that's by design, if you had exit polls, then if something funny happens, you know it happened because you can detect it in the difference between what was measured as people left the polls and what was recorded officially. So the point is, there's a reason that we have elections in which you can't have an exit poll and we don't have them. And the only reason that you would want that is if you did want the opportunity to commit fraud. You know, so, and it's the same, you know, the only argument for not requiring proof of citizenship and ID at the time of voting, the only argument for it is that you want a lot of people who shouldn't be voting to be able to do it. So again, you can't prove it with the evidence. Statistically anomalous things happen sometimes. But you can prove that somebody built this system to be vulnerable to fraud. And the only people who would have done that are people who were interested in having the opportunity to commit fraud.

[Rupert Lowe]

Controlling the outcome.

[Brett]

Yeah. So that brings me back to the other point, which is, as difficult as it is to face rescuing the west, restoring Britain, rescuing the Republic, as difficult as it is, it's not getting easier, it's getting harder by the year because the illegitimate powers that have taken control use that power to reduce their exposed surface area. And that's why it's so important, I think, for people to listen to this, to stare down these stigmas.

[Rupert Lowe]

Yes. We've had three days of this now, right?

[Brett]

Well, sure.

[Rupert Lowe]

Honest, decent people turning out to canvas in Makerfield. We get this. I mean, the story is Britain is stirring. Good people are stirring. The story you get from organized crime perhaps is this is the story they give.

[Brett]

Well, for those who are just listening, I'm holding up a newspaper from today,

[Rupert Lowe]

one of the, I think that's the widest circulation British paper.

[Brett]

Widest circulation British paper that accuses RESTORE of being the new home for neo Nazis. And as Rupert points out, you're going to have crazy people in any large entity. It doesn't.

[Rupert Lowe]

Left wing parties, right wing parties, they've all got crazy people in them.

[Brett]

Sure. And you know, if the fact that crazy people showed up in your party was a reason to dismiss it, then it provides a perfect mechanism for sabotaging any party that you don't want to see anymore. You send a few crazy people. So anyway, the point is, look, I've been accused of being a white supremacist. I'm not a white supremacist. It was always absurd, but it scared people away. And the point is, look, yes, if you start listening to Rupert, they're going to call you names, really ugly ones. But it's your responsibility to say, you know what? There's no merit in that accusation. Prove it, right? Just stare it down. And if you stare it down, your neighbor's gonna see that they have to stare it down as well. And the point is, the courage to stare it down is contagious. The more people who call their bluff, the less this stuff works.

[Rupert Lowe]

Well, we're seeing this, Brett, actually, with our rape gang inquiries. So the reason, the root cause of the rape gang inquiry was this fear of being called a racist, which again, I think was part of the plot. So racism, being a racist was used. And it was throughout the entire sort of cultural revolution of the 60s, 70s, you know, racism. Those who are propagating multiculturalism, they had to sort of spread this, this, this racist thesis. And there was no doubt that probably in the early days there was a bit of racism. I actually think Britain is the least racist place on earth now. And I, and I hold to that. But the genesis of the rape gang was the. That people. Rape gang is evil. It's just pure evil. That's been going on, it's going on for 30, 40, 50 years.

[Brett]

The American public is much less aware of this story than you are here. Can you explain?

[Rupert Lowe]

So this is the, basically the mass grooming and abuse of white working class English girls by largely Pakistani Muslims, mainly from one part of Pakistan called merpo. And, and this goes to the block vote, it goes to the postal vote we were talking about earlier. So Labour, the Labour Party largely, but the Tories didn't do enough about it when they were in power. But the Labour Party has put power ahead of right and wrong. So you've had. And the fear of being called a racist by almost every state body has meant that they weren't prepared to look into this in the way they should have done. And that has effectively allowed this evil to propagate. And labor continue to refuse. They refused a national inquiry. They've now said they're having a national inquiry. As a result of what we've done. We've had 20,000 people who've crowdfunded a rape gang inquiry, which we've held. We had two week hearings, two of the worst weeks of my life. We heard some absolutely horrific testimony. And a lot of this goes back to the tensions, really. A lot of it's down to Islam and the way in which Islam teaches its followers that they are superior to other religions. And as you know, if you ever, during these crusades, if you lost a battle to Saladin, you had two choices. You either converted to Islam or they killed you. And it's not dissimilar to that. And we go into all the reasons and I urge everybody to read our report. It's 200 pages of. I think it's fascinating. Even though my team, my wonderful team has done it with the help of a superb barrister called Graham, Graham Smith, we held the hearings properly, we've done it with the backing of these 20,000 concerned people here. So it's a big issue here and a lot of it has been hushed up because it's in working class communities rather than the mainstream wanting it. So these people who call me a neo Nazi, have allowed, this is a national newspaper, have allowed this evil to continue for, As I say, 30, 40, 50 years on an increasing scale. And it's been allowed because people are frightened of being called racist. To your earlier point, and not only that, you've ended up with the creation of Sharia courts. Now we have 85 Sharia courts.

[Brett]

Very.

[Rupert Lowe]

Is quite extraordinary.

[Brett]

How can you have Sharia courts?

[Rupert Lowe]

Well, you tell me, Brett. This is a country with our laws and as I say, I'm very happy for people to come here and integrate. These people aren't integrating. They're living their sort of almost tribal lives. They're sort of, they're like sort of probably we were a thousand years ago with sort of family loyalties and community loyalties which trump every other race. So in the end you get all sorts of dishonesty. But again, our state has not been prepared to deal with this.

[Brett]

But how can you have a Sharia court in Great Britain? How does that even work?

[Rupert Lowe]

You have 85. I think it's 80 if I'm right. I'm saying 85 Sharia courts here.

[Brett]

What does that mean?

[Rupert Lowe]

It is bizarre. It is like a parallel legal system.

[Brett]

So are these courts that are set up by communities that are operating, yes, outside of the British legal system.

[Rupert Lowe]

They have to go. We, we, we're quite public about it. We, we cannot have it. We all, if we live in this country, we all have to live under one law and that law has to be implemented without fear or favor and everybody is, should be treated the same way. But as I said to you, the judiciary has been undermined because the judges now you, you see, they'll send Lucy Conley to prison for whatever. She got 30 months for a social media post which was in response to the Southport killings, which she deleted after four hours. They sent her to prison. And then you get sort of a Pakistani Muslim rapist who will get off with three years for raping girls on the basis that the judge says their culture has a different view to how you should treat white working class English girls to the way in which a white man has it. Well, I'm sorry, that doesn't work for me. We have to have one rule for everybody, equal protection, have two tier policing or two tier legal system. It's just wrong. The back bench book guidance for magistrates has gone incredibly soft. So again, it's not all the police's fault because the police, when they do bring these cases, very often the magistrates don't dispense justice, they, they let the criminals off. And this goes to our point about, about organized crime. I mean, why would you want to live in a society or why indeed is there a society which rewards criminality and punishes those people who live their lives honestly, which is what's happening.

[Brett]

And, and what does that do?

[Rupert Lowe]

And if you stress your concern about what's happening on social media, you can go to prison. And look at today response. Banned social media for under 16 means. Right? Yeah, well, they've just given 60 or they're proposing to give 16 year olds the vote. Right. And now they're banning social media for under 16. So the very place where all these people should be getting the information and having the online debate on free speech platforms, they're taking that away. What? That. Why? Because that means they can indoctrinate them at school. And, and again, I, I've been talking to more and more parents here and we have this, we have this ability to home educate. So I, I advise as many people as possible, if you've got the qualifications, don't allow your child into this misguided education system which doesn't teach people, as you said, common sense or logic or fairness or history. Basically it's an Orwellian, so, you know, almost brainwashing exercise to. And a lot of young people don't know their history and, and then when they do know their history, they go, well, how was I taught that? So I think a lot of parents are now home educating their children with some justification. And that's not just state schools, that's, that's what we call an art. As you know, we have public schools. A lot of them have gone woke. And to give you an example, I did a speech to the old, the, the Etonian debating society about 200 young Etonians which is our, you know, one of our top private schools, along with Harrow and Radley, where I went and I. I was asked by Jacob Rees Mogg's son to speak there and the school attempted to stop me speaking on the basis that I was far right to your. To your newspaper heading. But the credit to the boys, the boys fought back and says our debating society and we want him to come and speak. And in the end I went, I spoke to about 200 of them. We had a wonderful evening, I had dinner with them. But. But this is a private school. But he. It's got a woke headmaster and again, these philosophies, which you or I would totally disagree with, and you were much more embedded into the educational system than I've ever been. I mean, when I was brought up, I was brought up by. By in my schools. I went to the Dragon School in Oxford. You know, some of my teachers had worked on. On, you know, on the Japanese prisoner railway line in, in Burma, places like that. And they'd suffered tremendous deprivation, many of them died young, but they really believed in freedom, individualism, in freedom of speech, in freedom of expression. They were really good people. So I, I would have absolutely no hesitation in my children going to a school like that today, would I, would I be happy my children are being properly educated? I mean, the Dragon School. I was in a house called Gunga Din. I don't know if you've read Rudyard Kipling, but Rudyard Kipling, in my view, is not remotely racist. And. And ultimately it was a house called Gunga Din. Anyway, the Dragon School considered Rudyard Kipling to be racist and so I fought back against it. We used to give money to the Dragons, but we've stopped it now and they changed the name of that house to Dragon House on the basis that Rudyard Kipling was a racist. Well, I'm sorry, he wasn't a racist. And the whole sort of weird philosophy that you and I have been talking about, which is now permeated throughout all our schools, is creating people who don't know the truth. And when people don't know the truth, that's the danger. So a lot of them have got a lot of learning to do if they're going to be able to make good decisions for themselves because they've been brainwashed by some form of Orwellian state which is creating this dependency culture.

[Brett]

I want to talk to you about my cabbie this morning in London. Yeah, So I got into my.

[Rupert Lowe]

Got a lot of support with the cabbies.

[Brett]

Well, I asked my Cabbie about you. I wanted to see what he would say. I do a lot of talking to people who have no idea who I am.

[Rupert Lowe]

And cabbies know the game. They're on the ball.

[Brett]

They do. But when I mentioned your name, he said, oh, wow, he's really far right. And I said, really? What makes you say that? And he, you know, hemmed and hawed a little bit. And then when it became clear that I actually found what you were saying reasonable, he became much more forthcoming about his openness to what you have to say. So, anyway, the picture I'm getting. And, you know.

[Rupert Lowe]

Did he charge you for the ride?

[Brett]

He did charge me.

[Rupert Lowe]

I've had several cabins who don't. Who refuse to take my money recently and credit to them. And I've even had friends who say they know me and they've had a free ride. Now, I'd say most of the cabbies are pretty sound. And they've had to suffer. Sadiq Khan, right, They've had to suffer. Who, by the way, is a liar that rape gangs are happening in London, which we know they are. Again, he is. He is, in my view, the most horrific individual. I can't understand how Londoners keep electing him as mayor of London. I mean, he's done untold damage to London and the city I used to know and love, which was the safest, best place in the world to be, where everybody wanted to be, is now unsafe. You know, I've had people try to take my phone off me. You know, it is now. You know, I call it Sadiq Khan's war zone. But the cabbies. I'm sorry you didn't get a free ride.

[Brett]

No, no, I was glad to pay for it, actually. But what I want to get at is this. First of all, there's something eerie for me coming to London because London is suffering the exact same fate as Los Angeles, San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Vancouver. They're all the same.

[Rupert Lowe]

Same.

[Brett]

It's not an accident that they're all the same. It's a playbook. And that playbook has people like Mike Abbey in a bit of a predicament. Because on the one hand, the way I grew up, the very notion that there might be gangs of men raping young women is the kind of thing that should enrage and galvanize all civilized people. It's so intolerable and so obviously so

[Rupert Lowe]

that there should be no wrong and so wrong.

[Brett]

There should be no division over it whatsoever. It should be all of us against the tiny number of.

[Rupert Lowe]

Some of these girls were Even traffic to Saudi Arabia and places like that. Honestly, Brett, you just can't believe what's been allowed to happen.

[Brett]

Well, I can because I'm watching the same decay with a Yankee accent happening all over the west coast and through much of the eastern seaboard as well. So the point is, how could it possibly be that a civilization that as recent as a couple of decades ago had basic common sense can confront something so obviously evil as organized rape gangs and not know what to think about it? Well, the answer is that when you think the obvious thing about it, which is that that is evil and intolerable and nobody should disagree, then the point is, ah, the specter of racism looms its ugly head. And you think what? I'm against the rape of innocent young women.

[Rupert Lowe]

Why is that racist?

[Brett]

Why is that racist? Aren't you the racist for claiming that my opposing the rape of young women is racist? I mean,

[Rupert Lowe]

so it's almost unbelievable when you boil it down, right?

[Brett]

The point is, the only literature that I'm aware of that properly captures the absurdity of it is Orwell and for a reason.

[Rupert Lowe]

Well, there are a lot of Napoleon the pigs about, aren't there, nowadays?

[Brett]

Well, that's just the thing. When I read Orwell as a younger man, I thought this is great, but it's a little over the top, right? It's a little. It's absurd. It's too obvious now, I think. Nope, it was perfectly literal. He was describing the exact inversion of language that you get the, you know, the Kafka traps. The whole thing is actually him warning us in terms that were unbelievable until it happened.

[Rupert Lowe]

He was a very exceptional man, actually. I mean he went to Eton, you know, he married an Irish lady, he fought in the Spanish Civil War and he wrote these amazing books which have been proved to be incredibly prescient.

[Brett]

Yes, they're warnings.

[Rupert Lowe]

They are warnings. But how many people actually read them? Why are they not on all school syllabuses?

[Brett]

Right.

[Rupert Lowe]

What was he called? Citizen Smith. Was it Citizen Smith, Winston Smith or somebody was Winston. I think it was Winston Smith. Anyway, so no, he was an amazing man and Huxley was similar. Yeah, we create, we have these people, you know, and these are people who are, you know, they're, they're. And by the way, the Spanish Civil War was probably the most horrific civil war ever. And it really was horrific. But you know, he, he was a principled man and clearly a visionary. The road to Wigan Pier he wrote, which again, very relevant to Makerfield. The by election were up there. But no, I I, I think you're right. I think people should read all of Orwell's books and they should take them all in because, you know, it's, it really is, it is a dystopian world now that we live in.

[Brett]

We. That, that is it. We are actively living in a dystopian trap. And the cabbie who is on his guard, asked a perfectly obvious question, gives a guarded answer.

[Rupert Lowe]

He thought you were an American academic who was bound to think I was a father, bound to fall for that,

[Brett]

bound to think so. And he didn't want to say anything that was going to cause an issue. And so the point is, I actually discovered this during COVID I was living in Portland, maybe the most liberal city in the us. I was very much aware that things were not right, especially when it came to the vaccines, which I know as a biologist could not possibly have been safe. They turned out to be as horrific as one could imagine. But what I found was that when I talked to people, they were very much on board with the vaccines until I said that I wasn't. And then almost everybody had a confession of doubt. Almost no matter who I talked to, if I said, you know what, I don't actually think they are safe and here's why, then the person would say, yeah, I don't think they're safe either. In fact, I know somebody who got one and had a terrible reaction.

[Rupert Lowe]

I know lots of friends. And to your point, I thought you were incredibly brave during that. But before the interview I read a bit about the issues you had and I had similar issues here. But I think here I'm not sure the majority of people did question the vaccines. I think they have this view that modern medicine is good.

[Brett]

Yeah.

[Rupert Lowe]

And to question it is bad.

[Brett]

Right, but.

[Rupert Lowe]

And we got very much brainwashed by something called the Nudge team. Again, which is Orwellian, you know, how dare the state have something called the nudge team to nudge people and brainwash them. I mean, that is shocking. But there was a nudge team and I lost friends over the COVID issue because I'm not vaccinated. I wouldn't touch that stuff. You know, I had Covid in the European Parliament. I had Covid again here after Cheltenham. Covid's a cold, so I, I was innately mistrusting of the vaccine. I'd already had the illness and, and my body would have built up natural antibodies because it was a man made virus without any shadow of a doubt. True, quite why they developed it, I don't know. But the Vaccines, in my view. And I've seen my friends have myocarditis, you know, they've had strokes, they've had. These are perfectly fit people and the state's in denial and, and you know, I think it's a classic example. It's not denial, bad decision making. They do not want anyone to talk about him. We have an MP in Palmer, ex MP in Palm called Andrew Bridge and who, who I know, like you, you know, he's very knowledgeable. I think he studied medicine or some form of virology at. This is a postman at Nottingham University and he stood up and spoke about this in Parliament and he got ostracized. He made a perfectly reasonable statement which Rishi Sunak actually ostracized him for when he got kicked out of the Tory party and he's been vilified again. He accuses the government of vote rigging in his northwest Leicester constituency. So I, I mean, look, they don't want to have the discussion. I suspect to my point earlier, in 10 years time when all these people who made these decisions have retired, maybe they'll admit it and maybe they'll set up a compensation, a proper compensation.

[Brett]

We don't have, we don't have time, we, we have to.

[Rupert Lowe]

But it's going to affect everybody for years to come.

[Brett]

Of course. And I'm not, I think addressing the crimes of COVID is probably the top priority. But I wanted to use the lesson of what was true during COVID in order to understand the predicament now. Why can a society not agree that rape gangs is just simply evil and has to be addressed at any cost? Because to believe otherwise results in accusations of racism. To be accused of racism, especially if you do the natural thing, which is to talk about it in the way we now do talk about these things online and it can land you in jail. So the point is you've got a structure that is clearly designed to create the self censorship that allows it to,

[Rupert Lowe]

allows evil to flourish.

[Brett]

It allows evil to flourish and it makes it seem like there is a diversity of opinion about how serious rape gangs actually are. There's of course there can be no diversity of opinion, right? It's not the kind of thing about which diversity of opinion is appropriate.

[Rupert Lowe]

It's about right and wrong. Right, but, but the Labour Party, I say, can never be elected again because they put power ahead of principle and if you do that, you don't deserve to be re elected. And, and you know, they are not anything incompetent. They're in my view, they're dishonest. And I think Starmer, he's a huge Fabian. He's a member of the Hallane Society. You know, he's basically a grand skin Marxist brought out by his mother. And. And he. Unlike Corbyn, I mean, Corbyn, I disagree profoundly with almost everything that Jeremy Corbyn says, but at least he's honest about what he thinks, however lunatic he is.

[Podcast Host]

You.

[Rupert Lowe]

You can have a conversation with him. And, and he respects the fact he disagrees with me and I respect the fact I disagree with him. Yeah, but you can't with Keir Starmer, because I think he is genuinely a wolf in sheep's clothing, which is the Fabian Society emblem. So. So again, this is all part of this, I think the truth we're trying to get at with this conversation, which is very difficult to pin down. It's like trying to pin diarrhoe to the wall. It's very difficult to actually put your finger on it, but, you know, it's there. It's very hard, isn't it, to work it out?

[Brett]

Well, I think it's. I think you have to apply a slightly different standard than. Than would be optimal. In other words, I've stopped being shy about saying, here is something that I can see is true, but I cannot prove is true. Right. That we confront organized crime, which is

[Rupert Lowe]

in some way rape gangs. Our reports out tomorrow, we proved it's true.

[Brett]

Oh, the rape gangs are clearly true.

[Rupert Lowe]

Covid.

[Brett]

More difficult that society has been held back from having a perfectly normal human reaction to discovering that such a thing is true. That's obvious that there is a structure that prevents people from saying the most obvious things about this most black and white of issues,

[Rupert Lowe]

the state. The state, by the way, called it Asian grooming gangs. Now, we. We hate that because no Japanese are involved. So that is a complete misnomer. So that's why in Parliament, I called it the Pakistani Muslim rape gangs. And I got a lot of stick in Parliament because all I do is. I'm not that able. I just tell the truth and I. And I stand up in Parliament and I speak as I find. Apollo's not used to that, Brett and I, it may well be, that's the case also in. In. In your. In both your houses, because the truth doesn't see the light of day. And when somebody speaks the truth, it shocks everybody.

[Brett]

Well, we've just had a most extraordinary turn of events where Thomas Massie did speak the truth. Truth. And was targeted by the President and has just lost his primary bid to Retain his seat. So the point is, every so often somebody stands up and speaks the truth and there are special penalties reserved for such people.

[Rupert Lowe]

And I guess, well, so far I've got away with it on the basis that. But I don't care. But you know, who knows what penalties that I will suffer. Fortunately, I'm successful. I don't rely on a multi multinational corporation for a job or for a pension. But again, that newspaper printed an equally appalling headline yesterday with a picture of a young 18 year old who probably will suffer the consequences of being put on the front page of the Daily Mail. And they don't care. And, and this is, this is somebody who's concerned about mass immigration and you know, had been talking at some summit in, in. In. In Europe about it because Europe's becoming concerned about it as well. There's a lot of big, big movement in Europe starting to wake up to what's been happening. So, so I mean these. It's just wrong, isn't it? The whole thing is just wrong. Evil is flourishing and somehow we have to put our foot on its head.

[Brett]

It's not just wrong, it's obviously wrong. And the fact that the obviousness is being denied tells you where we are in history. And so I think really the message and the reason that I resonated so strongly when I saw your statement announcing restore was to have somebody who says, look, I'm just going to describe what is taking place and what I think it means. And that means that I am accepting the consequences that I know full well will follow from my just simply stating the obvious.

[Rupert Lowe]

But was Covid about money or was it about some attempt to control population to, to limit growth down the line, to plant, you know, a long term sort of gene therapy within people so that as cancer rates rise, there's no obvious link to it? I don't know. What do you think? Was the. Was it simply money and I don't think profit, or was there something greater to it?

[Brett]

Let's put it this way. I keep alive in my mind a spectrum of possible explanations. The best possible explanation, the least horrifying, is that a psychopathic pharma industry decided that the MRNA platform was the ultimate cash cow. That they didn't care how many people died as a result of their plan and that they used an existing emergency to speed that platform past safety testing, that the platform itself could never have gotten through under normal sur, which they did. Right.

[Podcast Host]

That's the best.

[Rupert Lowe]

And someone made a lot of money.

[Brett]

A lot of money was made and the Number of MRNA shots that are headed our way is if people understood it, they would know why we have to actually adjudicate the crimes of COVID But again, that's the best case scenario based on what we are certain of at this point. There are much darker possibilities here. One is that both the virus and the vaccine are stochastically life shortening. That someone may have decided to solve the problem of governmental commitments by effectively culling the elderly and the vulnerable before they became cautious.

[Rupert Lowe]

You know, we had a case of the government releasing infected patients into care homes. Bit like I say, sending the, you know, Francis Drake sent the fire ships into the armada. They literally released them. This is Hancock and this woman, Amanda Pritchard, released them into the care homes. And, and a lot of the care homes were then ravaged with, with, With

[Brett]

COVID Yes, they were. Now there's a question about whether that was done in order to jack up the numbers of COVID victims in order to make the pandemic, the so called pandemic, more terrifying than it actually was. Don't know.

[Rupert Lowe]

But then too big, there's too big to think that they would be that evil. But in order to make, I'll tell you what they did here to make the numbers look bigger was they said if you died of COVID you didn't have to have an autopsy. So it was much easier for the medical profession to sign off that it was a COVID death.

[Brett]

Well, there were a hundred tricks that they used to increase the number of apparent deaths. I mean, people were, you know, dying

[Rupert Lowe]

of, well, midazolam and morphine. Who knows? Was that killing them?

[Brett]

Right. Ventilators.

[Rupert Lowe]

Ventilators. Was that killing them? Midazolam, morphine. Where does the truth lie? Again, it's very difficult to say.

[Brett]

There was a tremendous amount done to inflate the numbers of seeming Covid victims. But I will also say there's one, you know, at the other end of the spectrum from this was just, just, you know, nakedly about profit. There's the very troubling fact that the MRNA Covid shots, if you got two or more of them, they triggered the production of a class of antibody that actually turns down immunity rather than up. Now the problem with that is a. We now know that the virus, and by extension the shots were part of a bioweapons program. Dual use research.

[Rupert Lowe]

Can I just ask, is that true for the. So if you have two gene therapies, which is the Pfizer and the Moderna, is it true if you had the astrazeneca and then you had a Pfizer. Would that trigger the same response? Because one's a viral vector drug, isn't it?

[Brett]

Well, yeah. Adenovirus vectored. I do not believe the adenovirus vectored shot triggers the same response, but of course.

[Rupert Lowe]

But it did cause some damage.

[Brett]

Oh, a lot of damage. There are quite a number of injured people, though. I think it was less damaging than the MRNA. But in any case, the production of this IgG4 antibody class creates the hazard that if somebody wanted to bioengineer another virus and put the spike protein on it just as a flag, they could trigger the immune systems of anybody who had that shot to turn themselves down. So in other words, you've got bioweapons scientists who delivered a shot that causes all of the people who got it to be more vulnerable to a future engineered pathogen. Was that an accident? I don't know. It seems strange.

[Rupert Lowe]

You hope not, wouldn't you, Brett?

[Brett]

I would hope it was an accident, but I can't convince myself that it was because basically the point is they have solved one of the problems that bioweapons manufacturers have never been able to solve before, which is to have a dangerous pathogen for which you have a population that is not vulnerable. The problem is, instead of doing it the way you classically think you would do it, which is to provide a vaccine that creates immunity, they provided a vaccine that creates vulnerability. That is a very strange thing for them to have accomplished in the inverse by accident.

[Rupert Lowe]

And the other thing that's not clear, it's clearly a man made virus. But was it genuine? The Chinese era escaping from the Wuhan lab? Why were they fiddling around with all these dangerous viruses? Or was it part of this bigger scheme that you're talking of? Well, which would really test one's belief in the way in which we're governed.

[Brett]

I worry about it all because clearly the virus was an American product. Was that American product then actually sent to China? And did it leak from the Wuhan Institute by accident? Was this released on the Wuhan Institute's doorstep in order to pin their fingerprints to it? And you know, the one thing that worries me about that interpretation is that the Chinese behaved guilty. If the Chinese were innocent, if it was dropped on Wuhan's doorstep, you would have expected them to say, hey, wait a minute, why don't you come in and take a look at our freezers? This isn't our virus. But they didn't. So anyway, where's the truth?

[Rupert Lowe]

Lie?

[Brett]

We don't know. But I would say you have to keep open a spectrum of possibilities. And to your point earlier, I wouldn't put any of it past them. We're dealing with people who are clearly perfectly comfortable causing human deaths of innocent people. What else they're capable of, I couldn't say. Well, Rupert Lowe, it has been a real pleasure talking to you. I am greatly heartened to discover common sense here on the other side of the pond. And I hope that what people will take from this discussion is that the time to stand up is now. What seems to be obviously happening in front of you really is obviously happening and it's not your responsibility to prove it. That simply logically putting together the structure is, is good enough. And anyway, I wonder if you have anything you want to say in closing.

[Rupert Lowe]

Well, I just hope that enough people wake up before it's too late because I, as you said, the longer it goes on, the more damages, damage is going to be done. Maybe too late anyway, but we've got to try. And I'm encouraged by how many people are coming to help us. I don't think that's ever been seen in, in British political history before. So many volunteers coming from. We had a guy coming from Hong Kong the other day, Ireland driven, driving down from the north of Scotland. I mean, these are really truly fantastic people. And they're not, yeah, Nazis, they're real people with concerns. So you got the bit about my political career earlier on. We've got it, we've got that, I think covered. But you know, I'm, I'm a great believer in an accountable nation state, which basically is paternal in the way in which it looks after its people, particularly the people who live in a law abiding way, who pay their taxes and who are responsible for basically what the country is. And I, I can't ever get my mind around why or how unless there was a, unless there was an ulterior motive, why our establishment in Europe and particularly in our country here would have thought that multiculturalism was a good idea for the stability of their own nation. Targeted immigration, fine. I'm not anti immigration if it's done on a very small sensible basis, which it was before Tony Blair with I think some sort of, of immigration post war, when the country thought it needed to have people to do things that the English people, British people, weren't prepared to do or weren't able to do. So no, I, I think nation state countable Parliament. Let's get back to what we always were and what made us great. And I've always believed that in Europe. The reason that we actually created what we've created, and it's a fascinating history, is because of the dynamic tensions between nation states. So France and Britain and Germany and all the nations of Europe, and you're seeing it in Ukraine now, a lot of the. The most advanced military creations which are feeding into science creations come from war. And, you know, peace is not always a good thing. And I think post war, arguably we don't want war. But we equally have to stand up for what we believe in. Otherwise we end up in an Orwellian world, which is not where I want to live.

[Brett]

Yes, I 100% agree. I think it is obvious that

[Rupert Lowe]

when

[Brett]

immigration is desirable, you should never invite anyone into your society who doesn't aspire to join it. Who doesn't?

[Rupert Lowe]

They must free integrate.

[Brett]

That's the point. They have to be one. They have to want to be part of it. That's a prerequisite.

[Rupert Lowe]

Respect your culture, respect your religion, respect your laws, and come here and live in peace.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Brett]

And there's nothing racist about noticing that we dropped that standard and it has not done good things for your nation or mine.

[Rupert Lowe]

No, your. I think your constitution has to some extent protected you. But then ours could be our savior, because as you know, the British constitution is unwritten.

[Podcast Host]

Right.

[Rupert Lowe]

And that gives you arguably more power than the checks and balances that were put in by those great men.

[Brett]

Well, ours is hanging by a thread, but in light of that, I think the message is clear. The time is now. People with common sense need to come together and they need to stare down the stigmas and join forces.

[Rupert Lowe]

Common sense is the key, isn't it?

[Brett]

It is. All right, well, thank you for doing what you're doing.

[Rupert Lowe]

Pleasure.

[Brett]

I really appreciate it.

[Rupert Lowe]

Good to see you. Thanks for coming down, bro.