OnlyFans model accused of murder. Tupac's alleged killer on trial. Plus, milk carton kids.

Summary

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Dateline NBC – “OnlyFans Model Accused of Murder. Tupac’s Alleged Killer on Trial. Plus, Milk Carton Kids.”

Date: August 6, 2026
Host: Laura Jarrett (NBC News Senior Legal Correspondent, filling in for Andrea Canning)
Featured Guests: Lynn Keller (Dateline Producer), Andy Blankstein (NBC Senior Investigative Reporter), Mike Nardi (Dateline Producer), Dr. John Bischoff (National Center for Missing & Exploited Children)

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Episode Overview

This episode of Dateline True Crime Weekly unpacks three major stories:

1. The OnlyFans model Courtney Clenney’s surprise plea deal in her boyfriend’s stabbing death.
2. A pre-trial look at the prosecution of Duane “Keefe D” Davis, accused in orchestrating Tupac Shakur’s murder almost 30 years ago.
3. The origins and impact of the “milk carton kids” campaign, with commentary from an expert at the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children.

The podcast also features brief updates on other high-profile cases—a nurse on trial for killing her children, new twists in the Idaho college killings, and the latest in the Corey Richens murder saga.

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1. OnlyFans Model Courtney Clenney: From Trial to Plea Deal

Segment Start: [02:26]

Background & Relationship Details

• Courtney Clenney was making big money—about $3 million in two years—as an OnlyFans and Instagram model (over 2 million followers).
• Her boyfriend, Christian Obumseli, dabbled in crypto trading. Social media painted a glamorous, jet-set life, but neighbors reported frequent, intense arguments at their Miami luxury apartment ([03:41]).

Day of the Stabbing

• Incident occurred on April 3, 2022:
  • Morning began peacefully, playing with dogs ([04:56]).
  • Christian left to get sandwiches, returned at 4:30pm; by 4:57pm, Clenney called 911—Christian was fatally stabbed in that 20+ minute window.
• Clenney’s claim: Self-defense. She alleged Christian got angry over phone location sharing, pinned her, and chased her between rooms ([05:23]).

Conflicting Accounts & Forensic Questions

• Clenney said she threw the knife at Christian from 10 feet away.
  • Investigators: “The wound was too deep. The knife had penetrated skin, muscle, and punctured Christian’s artery.” – Lynn Keller ([06:16])
  • Defense: Conducted an experiment with a pig carcass; said wound depth/angle was plausible for a thrown knife ([06:47]).

Prior Incidents: Who Was the Aggressor?

• Prosecution released elevator footage: Shows Clenney striking Obumseli weeks before the incident ([07:15]).
• Defense’s counter-argument: Video taken out of context; alleged she was leaving to call police, was herself cut and bleeding.
• Other evidence:
  • Body cam video of Clenney seeking restraining order against Christian days before his death.
  • Neighbor's statement: Saw Christian punch Clenney a week earlier ([08:01]).

The Plea Deal

• Trial was scheduled for this month, but Clenney has now agreed to a plea deal ([08:35]).
  • Lynn Keller: “It’s such a ‘he said, she said’ case… Possibly she just did not want to roll the dice with a jury.” ([08:44])
  • Deal terms to be released Aug. 10; expected she’ll plead down to manslaughter (guidelines: just over 9 years; she’s served 4) ([09:08]).

Family Impact

• Christian’s family described as “very strong, very close knit… I do believe the family has been consulted about the deal.” ([09:28])

Memorable Quote:

“Basically, it’s just not physically possible to throw a knife across the room and do all that damage?”
— Laura Jarrett ([06:43])

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2. Tupac Shakur’s Alleged Killer Headed to Trial

Segment Start: [10:51]

Tupac’s Enduring Legacy

• “He’s a transcendent talent… sold millions of records worldwide. The music itself has deep impact—deeply personal lyrics, commentary on what was going on out there: race, poverty, injustice.”
  — Andy Blankstein ([13:27])

The Night Tupac Was Shot

• Sept. 7, 1996, Las Vegas:
  • Tupac rides with Suge Knight after Mike Tyson’s fight.
  • At a stoplight, a white Cadillac pulls up and fires; Tupac hit four times, dies six days later ([14:01]).
• Brawl earlier that day with Orlando “Baby Lane” Anderson, member of the Crips gang; possible revenge killing ([14:47]).

The Investigation Stalls

• Prime suspect Anderson killed in unrelated shooting within a few years—leaving the case cold ([15:29]).
• The backdrop: heated West Coast vs. East Coast rap rivalry. Speculation always swirled around Sean “Diddy” Combs, but he’s never been charged ([16:56]).

Breakthrough and Arrest After Decades

• In 2023, Clark County authorities arrest Duane “Keefe D” Davis, uncle of Anderson ([12:27]).
• Breakthrough: Davis’s own claims in interviews and memoir about being in the car the night Tupac was killed.
  • “What authorities are saying is: you said it in your own words, it’s kind of tantamount to a confession.”
    — Andy Blankstein ([19:10])

Challenges in Prosecution

• Defense: No physical evidence—no gun, no DNA. All that exists are stories and “embellishments” in Davis’s book ([19:25]).

Notable Moment:

“All these years later, it continues to fascinate people, and I think the latest incarnation of that is going to be seen in this trial.”
— Andy Blankstein ([20:01])

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3. Dateline Roundup: Other Major True-Crime Updates

Segment Start: [22:01]

A. Lindsey Clancy Massachusetts Case

• Labor/delivery nurse accused of killing her three kids, then jumping out her second-story window ([22:19]).
• Defense: Postpartum psychosis, triggered by depression and medication.
• Prosecutors: She planned the deaths, was aware of her actions.
  • Key Trial Moment: While in ICU, Clancy wrote “horrified” on a whiteboard; also asked “Do I have an attorney?” Prosecution argues this shows her awareness ([23:29]).
  • Clancy personally entered stipulations in court to speed up process, not contesting some facts ([24:11]).

Notable Quote:

“She wrote down, ‘Do I have an attorney?’… By asking about an attorney, Lindsey had, quote, the mental acumen to protect her own rights and interests.”
— Mike Nardi ([23:45])

B. Idaho College Murders – Bryan Kohberger

• Inmate serving four life sentences (Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Ethan Chapin, Zanna Kernodle, 2022).
• Now seeks to withdraw his guilty plea, claiming ineffective counsel ([25:25]).
• Kaylee’s family: frustrated but not opposed to a new trial; her sister Aubrey (speaking for first time) says,

  “No words are going to bring back my sisters. But words are what’s going to keep their memories alive.” ([26:51])

C. Corey Richens Conviction & Legal Battles

• Utah mom/fraudster, wrote children’s book on grief after husband’s suspicious death—now convicted of his murder ([27:28]).
• Richens sought a new trial, alleging biased judge—request denied. She faces additional charges (money laundering, mortgage fraud: hearing set for Oct 9) ([28:30]).

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4. Missing Children & The “Milk Carton Kids” Campaign

Segment Start: [28:56]

History

• Dr. John Bischoff (National Center for Missing & Exploited Children) discusses the origin, rise, and fall of the campaign to print photos of missing children—starting with Iowa dairy Anderson Erickson in the ‘80s after two local paperboys disappeared ([30:15]).

Impact

• Expanded to 700 dairies nationwide.
• Prompted new conversations, but also “stranger danger” fears; overrepresented the issue of non-family abductions, which comprise less than 1% of missing child cases ([31:19]).

Memorable Quote:

“The milk carton campaign was the first step towards modern mass distribution of missing child information…it challenged everyone to ask the simple question, where else can we put missing child images to help find them?”
— Dr. John Bischoff ([32:18])

Modern Solutions

• Social media, billboards, geolocated QR codes.
• The milk carton campaign directly inspired modern poster distribution and Amber Alerts.

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Additional Quotes & Highlights

On the nature of unresolved true crime:

“You’ve seen documentaries and books and magazine articles…all these years later it continues to fascinate people.”
— Andy Blankstein ([20:01])

On the transition from milk cartons to digital:

“We're never done building this system and rightfully so. But today we have social media, different billboard systems…tools like a QR code that will show you missing children within 50 miles of where your IP address resolves.”
— Dr. John Bischoff ([32:18])

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [02:26] — Courtney Clenney case: background, the incident, and plea deal
• [10:51] — Tupac Shakur murder latest: trial finally set
• [22:01] — Roundup: Lindsey Clancy, Idaho killings, Corey Richens updates
• [28:56] — Milk carton kids: history, impact, future of missing children’s campaigns

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Tone & Style

The episode maintains Dateline’s classic blend of understated, serious inquiry and compassionate journalism. Laura Jarrett’s poised interview style allows experts and field reporters to relay nuanced legal and moral ambiguities—especially around the “he said, she said” dynamics in cases and the pain experienced by victims’ families.

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Conclusion

This wide-ranging episode captures both headline-grabbing developments and historical perspectives, offering deep dives, emotional resonance, and insight into both notorious and lesser-known cases. The “milk carton kids” discussion, in particular, underscores how far the search for missing children has come—from dairy labels to viral TikToks—while the criminal cases highlight how the search for justice is often as complicated and ongoing as ever.

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Transcript

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We'll go ahead and get started. You're listening to the DATELINE morning meeting.

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When did the murder happen?

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Our producers are swapping tips and story ideas. The undercover cops said she is the mastermind behind this.

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[Laura Jarrett]

Welcome to DATELINE True Crime Weekly. I'm NBC News senior legal correspondent Laura Jarrett in for Andrea Canning. It's August 6th and here's what's on our docket. In Las Vegas, for nearly 30 years, the murder of rap legend Tupac Shakur went unsolved. Now the man accused of orchestrating his death is set to go on trial.

[Andy Blankstein]

So what authorities are saying is you said it in your own words, it's kind of tantamount to a confession.

[Laura Jarrett]

In DATELINE roundup, Corey Richens, the Utah mom who wrote a children's book about grief and was then convicted of murdering her husband, is back in court. And we'll bring you the latest testimony from the trial of Lindsey Clancy, the labor and delivery nurse accused of killing her own children.

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I did ask her her mood and

[Laura Jarrett]

what did she write?

[Lynn Keller]

She wrote horrified.

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Plus, we've all seen Amber Alerts flash across our phones. But long before we had such high tech tools telling us kids were missing, we put their photos on milk cartons. An expert from the national center for Missing and Exploited Children gives us the backstory.

[Dr. John Bischoff]

Anderson Erickson Derry stepped in and said we're going to do something a little out of the box here.

[Laura Jarrett]

But before all that, we're heading to Florida for a major development in the case of an OnlyFans model accused of murdering her boyfriend. On the afternoon of April 3rd, 2022, 25 year old Courtney Clenney called 911 begging for help. She said her boyfriend was dying. The paramedics raced to her apartment and found 27 year old Christian Obumseli lying in the hallway. He'd been fatally stabbed.

[Andy Blankstein]

Apologies for being absolutely covered in blood. Listen, you don't have to apologize.

[Laura Jarrett]

Courtney told police she had stabbed Christian in self defense.

[Andy Blankstein]

I grabbed my, I grabbed my knife.

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I said don't come anywhere closer to me.

[Andy Blankstein]

I had coming at me and I threw it.

[Laura Jarrett]

But investigators didn't believe her story and she was charged with second degree murder. Courtney pleaded not guilty and over the past four years has insisted she's the real victim. She it looked like she was heading to trial this month. Then suddenly last week everything changed. Here to bring us up to speed is DATELINE producer Lynn Keller. Lynn, thanks so much for being back on the podcast. Hi Laura. Before we get into this new development, let's go back to the beginning here. Remind us who exactly Courtney Clenney is and what was her relationship like with Christian.

[Lynn Keller]

So Courtney was a model on OnlyFans and she had built a huge online following, particularly Instagram. I think she had 2 million followers. She was making really good money. Prosecutors estimated that she earned approximately $3 million from OnlyFans during 2020 and 2021 combined. And she and Christian had started dating in 2020. He kind of dabbled a little bit in trading cryptocurrency. And on social media she would often post pictures of the two of them together. You could sort of glimpse at their glamorous lifestyle, fancy cars and luxurious vacations.

[Laura Jarrett]

Despite that glamour from the outside though, Lynn, the relationship was far from perfect. It was violent at times. There was a lot going on even before that incident in 2022, right?

[Lynn Keller]

Yeah, that's right. Neighbors at this luxury apartment that they were living in had repeatedly complained about their loud arguments. And at the time of Christian's death, according to investigators, building management was actually preparing eviction proceedings because of those disturbances.

[Laura Jarrett]

Yeah, that's not something that happens from one isolated incident. So bring us up to April 3rd of 2022. What do investigators say happened that day?

[Lynn Keller]

According to the arrest affidavit, their day actually began peacefully. Courtney and Christian, they spent the morning playing with their dogs. Christian left to pick up sandwiches and he returned to the apartment shortly after 4:30 in the afternoon. And then Courtney ends up calling 911 at 4:57. So in that 20 plus minute window is where the stabbing took place.

[Laura Jarrett]

So Courtney, what was her version of events?

[Lynn Keller]

So what she says to police is that Christian went to get the sandwiches and she noticed that he had stopped sharing his location with her. So when he got back, she asked him to turn it back on, and he agreed. But when he asked her to do the same thing, she hesitated. And then she says, he got angry and pinned her up against the wall. At some point, she's able to get away. She calls her mother, and she starts going into different rooms, and he starts following her. And then at one point, she picks up the knife, and she says, don't come any closer.

[Laura Jarrett]

Let's listen to what she says happens next.

[Andy Blankstein]

And then he just charged at me, and I threw. And I threw it, but it's this far away.

[Mike Nardi]

But I.

[Laura Jarrett]

Like I told you just that.

[Lynn Keller]

I mean, I was scared because he

[Andy Blankstein]

was coming at me.

[Laura Jarrett]

He just choked me twice. You threw the knife at him? Yeah, but I was.

[Lynn Keller]

I was so scared.

[Laura Jarrett]

What made investigators suspicious of her story?

[Lynn Keller]

Well, according to the arrest affidavit, there were no significant injuries observed on Courtney consistent with the attack she describes. And then investigators had also questioned whether her story about throwing the knife matched the forensic evidence. Courtney told detectives she threw the knife from about 10ft away. But according to the medical examiner, the wound was too deep. The knife had penetrated skin, muscle, and punctured Christian's artery.

[Laura Jarrett]

So basically, it's just not physically possible to throw a knife across the room and do all that damage?

[Lynn Keller]

Well, that's what the prosecutors say. But the defense did their own experiment where they got a pig carcass, and they had someone throw a knife at the pig carcass. And they said that the angle and the depth was consistent with Courtney's story.

[Laura Jarrett]

Hmm. So investigators, they unearth all these other incidents that they say prove Courtney had a history of physical abuse with Courtney as the aggressor. Tell us what we know about that.

[Lynn Keller]

Well, the first thing that the prosecutors showed when they had their press conference announcing the arrest was a clip of security cam footage from the elevator inside Courtney's apartment building. And this was about six weeks before the stabbing. And it shows Courtney repeatedly striking Christian when he got in the elevator. She's wailing on him, and he, at one point, puts her in a loose headlock to try to, I guess, stop her from doing that. But we should know that the defense argued that that clip was taken out of context. They say that what's not clear in that video is that she gets on that elevator to go down to the lobby to call the police because they were in a fight. And, in fact, she was cut and bleeding.

[Laura Jarrett]

So Courtney's defense team has has pushed back hard here, saying she is the real victim.

[Lynn Keller]

Yes. They're trying to show that this was not a one sided abuse situation. In a motion to reconsider Bond, the defense describes an incident just a few days before Christian's death when Courtney can be seen on Miami police body cam video asking for a restraining order against Christian. They also have body cam video of a neighbor who a week before says that he sees Christian punching Kourtney.

[Laura Jarrett]

So Courtney's trial was on the docket for this month, but late last week, you got word about a major development. What changed for Courtney?

[Lynn Keller]

Courtney has agreed to take a plea deal.

[Laura Jarrett]

Do we know what factored into that decision? Given how hard she's been fighting this since her arrest, I would just have to guess.

[Lynn Keller]

I feel like it's such a he said, she said case. We're not dealing with DNA. We're not dealing necessarily with facts. It seems very strong in opinions. And so possibly she just did not want to roll the dice with a jury.

[Laura Jarrett]

Do we know about the terms of the deal at all?

[Lynn Keller]

They are going to be made public on August 10th.

[Laura Jarrett]

So do we know anything about what the possible charges are on the table for her?

[Lynn Keller]

Well, she was charged with second degree murder, so I'm pretty sure we can guess that that is not what she's going to plead guilty to. So I think it's a pretty safe bet that she probably would plead to manslaughter and then it's going to be a negotiation about how much time. So in manslaughter in Florida, the guidelines would be just over nine years. She's already served four years.

[Laura Jarrett]

Lyn, what do we know about how Christian's family has been doing? This has been a long road. What do we know about how they're holding up?

[Lynn Keller]

They're a very strong family. They're very close knit. I do believe that the family has been consulted about the deal. I don't think in Florida they have any kind of power over whether or not the deal happens, but I'm sure the state's attorney is considering their feelings.

[Laura Jarrett]

Well, hopefully this deal will start the process of getting some closure in this case. Lynn Keller, thank you for all your work on this. Appreciate the update.

[Lynn Keller]

Thanks, Laura.

[Laura Jarrett]

Coming up, he was the most famous rapper in the world, gunned down at the age of 25. Thirty years later, the man accused of orchestrating Tupac Shakur's murder is heading to trial.

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Tennessee 2012 for our next story, we're headed to the Las Vegas Strip where 30 years ago, Tupac Shakur, one of hip hop's biggest stars, was gunned down when he was sitting in a car at a stoplight. He was just 25 years old. For decades, the case has spawned countless theories about who might really have killed Tupac. But investigators didn't seem any closer to getting answers until September of 2023. The Clark County Sheriff and the Clark County DA finally had news.

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We are here today to announce the

[Laura Jarrett]

arrest of 60 year old Duane Keith

[Courtroom Judge]

Davis, aka Kefi D, for the murder of Tupac Shakur.

[Laura Jarrett]

Prosecutors accused Davis, a former gang leader, of orchestrating Tupac's murder and procuring the gun that killed him. And they said the breakthrough in their 27 year case was Davis's own words about that night when we pulled up, I was in the front seat. Davis has pleaded not guilty to charges including first degree murder. With his trial set to begin Monday, we asked NBC's senior investigative reporter Andy Blankstein to come on the podcast and break it all down for us. Welcome to the podcast, Andy.

[Andy Blankstein]

Glad to be here, Laura. Thanks so much for having me on.

[Laura Jarrett]

So, Andy, Tupac is one of the most influential rap artists of the 1990s. I'm sure many of our listeners are familiar with his legacy and his music, but for those who may need a refresher, just remind us of his impact on the culture.

[Andy Blankstein]

Well, Laura, he's a transcendent talent. I mean, there's no doubt about it. Not only for the period that he's influencing rap in the 1990s, but beyond. As you said, it's a short career, but it's a legendary career. He sells millions of records worldwide. The music itself has deep impact on the culture. Deeply personal lyrics, commentary on what was going on out there. Race, poverty, injustice.

[Laura Jarrett]

Remind us what exactly we know about the night of that shooting and how it all went down.

[Andy Blankstein]

So Tupac is riding in the BMW with Marion Suge Knight, CEO, co founder of Death Row Records, and it's the company that Tupac is signed with. They're on the way to a nightclub after attending a Mike Tyson fight at the MGM Grand Casino. Suge is driving, Tupac is in the passenger seat, and according to prosecutors, a white Cadillac pulls alongside them at a stoplight. Shots are fired. Suge is injured. Tupac is shot four times. He's taken to the hospital. He lingers from those injuries, but eventually dies six days later.

[Laura Jarrett]

Investigators learned pretty quickly, even at that time that Tupac and Suge Knight had gotten into some sort of altercation earlier that day.

[Andy Blankstein]

So witnesses tell them about a brawl that takes place in the MGM Grand Casino, and Tupac and Suge are seen punching a man by the name of Orlando Baby Lane Anderson, who, as it turns out, is a member of the Crips gang in Los Angeles. And that raises this possibility that Anderson was behind the shooting and he'd gone looking for Tupac to get his revenge.

[Laura Jarrett]

And for a bit more context here, Andy, according to one of the detectives on the case, Suge Knight was affiliated with a gang, too, the Mob Piru. And they were feuding with the Crips. But that lead goes cold a few years later when Orlando dies in an unrelated shooting.

[Andy Blankstein]

Yeah, it makes it very difficult for police that kind of the person who's the alleged trigger man in this dies in. What was described in the time in news reports was that it was a gang related killing. And these cases, when you talk about gang related violence, it makes it much more difficult for police to kind of investigate these cases because they are essentially, you know, you have trouble getting Witnesses to speak up. So that becomes very quickly, I wouldn't say a dead end, but it goes cold.

[Laura Jarrett]

The other backdrop to this, of course, that's going on at the time is sort of this infamous rivalry, if you will, between the east coast and west coast rappers, right? And that was always sort of one of the backdrops to both the killing of Tupac and biggie. The Notorious B.I.G.

[Andy Blankstein]

so you're already talking about kind of edgy music that's skating on the edge of life on the streets that is gritty and violent. And there are artists that are rising out of that. Obviously you have kind of the west coast gangster rap scene. On the flip side of that, as you mentioned, Laura, you know, on the East Coast, Sean Combs and Bad Boy Records and Biggie Smalls, obviously kind of the most recognizable artist. And there's this kind of jocularity and kind of trash talking, but that eventually spills over into violence.

[Laura Jarrett]

Andy, for years there's been all this speculation that Sean Diddy Combs might have actually played a role in Tupac's murder as part of that East Coast, west coast rivalry. He's always denied that and has never been charged with a crime related to Tupac's death.

[Andy Blankstein]

That's right. One of the things people forget is the killings of Tupac and Biggie are only six months apart in 1996 into 1997. The speculation is that there's a revenge factor that's being ordered up from the top that never really plays out in anything. But in terms of people talking about it in the rumor mill, it's ever present.

[Laura Jarrett]

So the case languishes for years. We then come to 2023, and the Las Vegas Police announced that they had arrested Dwayne Kefi D. Davis. Andy, tell us about what do we know about Davis, who he is, what, why did investigators zero in on him in particular?

[Andy Blankstein]

So Keefe D. Davis. Dwayne Davis is the uncle of Orlando Baby Lane Anderson, who is the alleged shooter. And in 2009, the LAPD and others on the task force investigating gang violence and drug trafficking sit down and talk to Davis to ask him what he knows in kind of a non prosecution agreement, a proffer, if you will. And in this proffer, Davis agrees to tell them what he knows. And he's not the trigger man, but he, he lays out kind of what happened that night.

[Laura Jarrett]

Does he say he was in the car?

[Andy Blankstein]

He was one of the four people in the car.

[Laura Jarrett]

So one of the things that's just incredible, Andy, is that the prosecutors couldn't go after Davis back then because if they had wanted to, the proffer agreement protected him. But then Davis decides to tell other people he was in the car that night. He writes about it in his memoir, Compton Street Legend, and talks about it in interviews like this one he gives to BET's Death Row Chronicles. Take a listen to this. You said the shots came from the back.

[Andy Blankstein]

Big Dre, Orlando, who shot Tupac,

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[Andy Blankstein]

It just came from the back seat.

[Laura Jarrett]

So that puts him in a position of knowledge about where the shots came from.

[Andy Blankstein]

That's right. And so what authorities are saying is you said it in your own words. It's kind of tantamount to a confession.

[Laura Jarrett]

His defense team is obviously pushing back against all of this. What is their theory of the case, Andy?

[Andy Blankstein]

You know, one is this happened 30 years ago. You didn't have physical evidence that really in terms of a gun, ballistics, DNA, the things that juries actually look for. Not only don't you have the goods as far as forensics and physical evidence, but this talk about in the book, well, that's kind of embellishment. These are stories, so you can't have one without the other. If you're going to prosecute this case, where's the other evidence?

[Laura Jarrett]

So with the trial now expected to formally start with jury selection on Monday, what are you watching for the most?

[Andy Blankstein]

You know, you've seen documentaries and books and magazine articles. And all these years later, it continues to kind of fascinate people and it continues to kind of generate more discussions. And I think the latest incarnation of that is going to be seen in this trial latest chapter.

[Laura Jarrett]

That's very interesting. Andy Blankstein, NBC's senior investigative reporter, thank you so much for joining. Andy.

[Andy Blankstein]

Laura, thank you so much.

[Laura Jarrett]

Up next, it's time for DATELINE roundup updates from the murder trial of the former labor and delivery nurse Lindsey Clancy. And Corey Richence is back in court. Plus, how the faces of missing children wound up on milk cartons.

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[Laura Jarrett]

Tennessee 2012. Hello, and welcome back to DATELINE roundup. Today I am joined by DATELINE producer Mike Nardi. Mike, thanks so much for being here.

[Mike Nardi]

Thanks for having me, Laura.

[Laura Jarrett]

So to start, we're gonna check in on the trial of Lindsay Clancy, the Massachusetts mom who jumped out of a second story window after killing her three children. Now prosecutors have charged her with murder. She's pleaded not guilty by reason of insanity. It's just a heartbreaking case. Mike, bring us up to speed on the latest.

[Mike Nardi]

It is. It is, Laura. So this week, Lindsay's mental state has taken center stage. Remember, her defense is arguing that Lindsay's struggle with postpartum depress depression and the cocktail of drugs she'd been prescribed propelled her into psychosis. The prosecution has argued she really wasn't that sick and was aware of what she was doing, even that she planned the deaths. And to show that, this week, the prosecution called medical professionals and psychiatrists to testify.

[Laura Jarrett]

So one of those witnesses was a doctor who actually treats Lindsay in the ICU where she's taken after jumping out of that window. What did the doctor say have to say about her state of mind when she was in the hospital?

[Mike Nardi]

So this doctor said that Lindsay could only communicate by writing on a whiteboard. And here's what that doctor says happened when she was communicating with Lindsay.

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I did ask her her mood.

[Laura Jarrett]

And what did she write?

[Lynn Keller]

She wrote horrified.

[Laura Jarrett]

She wrote down, do I have an attorney?

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We asked her, do you have questions for us? And she asked, is my body broken? Are my legs straight?

[Mike Nardi]

And this moment with the whiteboard is a big deal for the prosecution. They're arguing that by asking about an attorney, Lindsey had, quote, the mental acumen to protect her own rights and interests, essentially that she knew what she did was wrong, not that she was suffering from postpartum psychosis.

[Laura Jarrett]

Also, for the first time in this trial, Lindsay Clancy herself spoke in court. This was before testimony got underway on Tuesday. Here she is speaking to the judge.

[Courtroom Judge]

Do you understand by signing or going along with that stipulation, you, you are basically relieving the comm wealth of its burden to prove those certain facts? Do you understand that?

[Laura Jarrett]

Yes, you, Honor.

[Courtroom Judge]

Is that what you want to do at this point?

[Laura Jarrett]

Yes. So, Mike, explain for people who might not be familiar what this type of stipulation does.

[Mike Nardi]

Well, so essentially, she won't contest certain facts in her case, and these facts are related to the chain of custody of evidence.

[Laura Jarrett]

So. And one of the reasons you would do that is it speeds things along. There's no point in going through some of, you know, more of the gory details for things that she just doesn't contest.

[Dr. John Bischoff]

Right, right.

[Mike Nardi]

They're just agreeing that the chain of evidence is a fact so the prosecutors can move through their case much more quickly.

[Laura Jarrett]

Now, it is a heart wrenching case, as we said, and we know you're gonna be certainly following along. For our next story, we've got the latest in the University of Idaho student murders case. It's been over a year since Bryan Kohberger pleaded guilty in open court to the 2022 killings of Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogan, Ethan Chapin, and Zanna Kernodle. But last week, something stunning happened. Kohberger is trying to undo his plea deal. He filed a petition with the court to challenge that guilty plea and conviction.

[Mike Nardi]

Right. So he's serving four life sentences for the murders, and now he's saying he's innocent and wants to go to trial. In this petition, he's suggesting that his former attorneys provided ineffective assistance of counsel and coerced him into taking guilty plea. NBC News has reached out to those attorneys for comment and has not heard back.

[Laura Jarrett]

What's wild about it is having covered that case since the beginning is just knowing how many motions his prior public defender filed on his behalf and how vigorously she litigated. That case will be fascinating to see if she ever speaks out on all of this. Meantime, the family of Kaylee Gonzalez sat down with Craig Melvin on the Today show and shared their reaction to the news of Coburger's filing.

[Andy Blankstein]

They did.

[Mike Nardi]

Kaylee's father, Steve, expressed his frustration, but he wasn't against a trial.

[Andy Blankstein]

Would you actually like to see this

[Laura Jarrett]

go to jail this time around?

[Dr. John Bischoff]

That's never changed.

[Courtroom Judge]

I've been consistent through and through.

[Dr. John Bischoff]

The evidence was there. I want to honor all the work

[Laura Jarrett]

that the agents did and Mike Sitting next to the parents of Kaylee Goncalves for that interview was someone we'd never heard before, her younger sister, Aubrey.

[Mike Nardi]

Right. And she told Craig about why she decided to break her silence now, after all this time, she referred to both Kaylee and Madison Mogan, who is Kaylee's best friend, as her sisters.

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When everything happened, I was a sophomore in high school, and at the time, I kind of just decided that no

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words were going to bring back either

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one of my sisters. So I didn't feel like saying anything. And now that I've gotten older, I realize still that no words are going to bring back my sisters. But words are what's going to keep their memories alive.

[Laura Jarrett]

It just must be so confoundingly painful for these parents who thought this case was over, who thought they could finally put this entire nightmare behind them now to have it reopened again. Even if it's legally unlikely to go anywhere, they still have to go through all of this, right?

[Mike Nardi]

Right. Just must be awful for them.

[Laura Jarrett]

Finally, Mike, there's news out of Utah in the case of Corey Richards. People remember the mom of three who wrote that children's book about grief after her husband Eric's death, only to be convicted of murder earlier this year. She was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole. But her case marches on. So, Mike, what's the latest there?

[Mike Nardi]

So Corey was in court to address a motion her team filed back in June. They asked for the judge who presided over Corey's murder trial, Judge Richard Marasic, to be disqualified and for Corey to be granted a new trial. In their motion, lawyers said Judge Marasic was allegedly impatient, critical, hostile, disparaging and condescending toward defense counsel, and in contrast, was friendly and helpful to the prosecution. So they're saying this could have prejudiced the jury and made the trial unfair.

[Laura Jarrett]

Last week's hearing was actually with a different judge. So how did she rule on that motion?

[Mike Nardi]

This judge denied the motion. So Corey's conviction was upheld, and Judge Marozek won't be removed from the case.

[Laura Jarrett]

We've mentioned before on the podcast, Corey has several other criminal charges hanging over her head, all involving money. In 2025, she's charged with various financial felonies, including money laundering and mortgage fraud. She's pleaded not guilty to those charges, and the next hearing in that case is scheduled for October 9th, and we will, of course, be keeping tabs on that. Mike Nardi, thank you so much for all the updates.

[Mike Nardi]

Thanks for having me, Laura.

[Laura Jarrett]

Last week, Josh was on the show to talk about the latest season of his podcast series Dateline Missing in America. And it got us thinking about how we usually find out about someone who has gone missing. It can be anything from urgent answ Amber alerts that flash across our phones or TV screens to even viral tiktoks nowadays. But back in the day, looking for people wasn't so high tech. You might see flyers taped to lampposts or hear about a case on the local news. But perhaps the most surprising method of all, Photos of missing kids that were printed on the back of milk cartons. My next guest is Dr. John Bischoff, head of the Missing children's division within the national center for missing and exploited Children. He's here to tell us the story behind the milk carton campaign and what happened to it. Dr. Bischoff, welcome, and thank you so much for joining.

[Andy Blankstein]

Thank you for having me.

[Laura Jarrett]

So from reading and listening to so many missing persons cases on Dateline, I bet our audience has a sense that the most important factor in determining whether somebody is found is exposure. And today, social media helps us with this in maybe the best ways that social media can be used. But back in the early 80s and the 90s, we didn't have that. And so who decided that printing, printing faces on milk cartons was the best way to get exposure?

[Dr. John Bischoff]

You know, it was certainly an interesting time. Back in the 1980s, you had a lot of highly publicized missing child incidents. It was actually an organization. Iowa's Anderson Erickson Dairy launched the first milk carton campaign in the mid-1980s. And you might be thinking, why? Why did they do this? You had Eugene Martin and Johnny. Gosh, they were paper boys in Des Moines, Iowa, and they went missing. So Anderson Erickson dairy stepped in and said, we're gonna, we're gonna do something a little out of the box here, right? We're gonna, we're gonna put missing child images on milk cartons. We supplied them, right, because we were just starting as a nonprofit organization and we had the missing child images.

[Laura Jarrett]

So it does go national eventually, yes.

[Dr. John Bischoff]

It expanded to nearly 700 dairy manufacturers over the years, which really pushed this to be a nationwide initiative. We were hitting breakfast tables all over the United States with images of missing children, descriptive information, and then what to

[Andy Blankstein]

do, where to call.

[Laura Jarrett]

But that's also, I think, one of the reasons it. It started to draw some critics as well. Right. Bringing those conversations to the breakfast table can be scary.

[Dr. John Bischoff]

It absolutely can. It had a frightening impact. The term that was used was stranger danger. And honestly, the whole concept, you know, talking about that over the breakfast table. There were better ways to do that. It also overrepresented the issue itself. Today, less than 1%, it's about half a percent of our missing child cases that we assist law enforcement with are non family abductions. So we're talking about a very small percentage. And that's probably one of the reasons why the program as a whole started to dwindle out in the late 80s.

[Laura Jarrett]

So the milk carton campaign only found two children the entire time that it, that it was actually in place. We did come up with some more effective methods. What do you think are some of the lessons that that were learned from the campaign that have sort of carried over into things like the Amber Alert system?

[Dr. John Bischoff]

The milk carton campaign was the first step towards modern mass distribution of missing child information. It challenged everyone to ask the simple question, where else can we put missing child images to help find them? Right. We're never done building this system and rightfully so. But today we have social media, different billboard systems that we have access to that we can help push information to tools like we've got a QR code that will show you missing children within 50 miles of where your IP address resolves to. You can go to our interactive map and find all that information at the touch of your fingertips. We want our data out there. And you know, let's face it, the milk carton campaign was really one of the first steps in mass distribution of missing child posters. When you see a missing child poster, know that how that poster got to where you saw it was started way back from dairy farmers.

[Laura Jarrett]

Dr. Bischoff, thank you so much for joining us today and all of the important work that you are doing every day on behalf of missing children.

[Dr. John Bischoff]

Oh, it is absolutely my pleasure.

[Laura Jarrett]

That's it for this episode of DATELINE True Crime Weekly. But check out the latest season of the Webby award winning podcast Dateline Missing in America. Josh Mankiewicz is taking a look at six new cases. The first two episodes are out now. To get early access to new episodes and listen ad free, subscribe to DATELINE Premium. Coming up this Friday on Dateline Keith takes us to Silver City, New Mexico where 23 year old Cassie Farrington was found dead in her own own bathtub. Her family had their suspicion about who did it.

[Dr. John Bischoff]

He did it. He killed her.

[Laura Jarrett]

We know he did watch Suspicion in Silver city. Friday at 10, 9 Central on Dateline on NBC. Thanks so much for listening. DATELINE True Crime Weekly is produced by Carson Cummins, Caroline Casey and Keani Reed. Our associate producers are Ellery Gladstone Groth and Aria Young. Our senior producer is Liz Brown Kurloff. Production and fact checking help by Yana Johnson. Veronica Mazeka is our digital producer, Raquan is our sound designer. Original Music by Jesse McGinty, Paul Ryan is executive producer and Liz Cole is senior executive producer of Dateline.

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